dude ! thank you i was thinking about an infinite map, did not know it existed. remove all variable, and just stroke the stick a little to create brain connection, i like that ! this is scientific and empirical. good work
About 2 years ago I told my friend "I wish there was was a way to train on a map with no floor, no ceiling, no walls, just a forever free fall. Then I can just mess with air roll and see what does what" and here we are...
Great video! One thing to experiment is also spinning the joystick (air roll L - counter clockwise, Air roll R - clockwise). Vary the speed at witch you spin the joystic as well as the size of the circles you make with the joystick. In a way, you are spinning the joystick along with the car and it sorta feels like you're balansing the way the car turns or "leans" or "falls". If you slow down the spin of the joystick the car will turn in one direction and when you speed up, the car will turn differently. The point is to not analyse anything, just experiment by feel as if there is a direct connection from your thumb to the car and you just try to figure out that connection. Fun fact, if you spin the joystic 2 times faster than the car (2 circles in a second) the car wont turn at all. Also, if you spin the joystick to the wrong direction, it will cancel everything and the car will also just go straight forward.
Thanks for the suggestion! This sounds pretty similar to the "Losfeld method" video that's out there, but I honestly couldn't quite get the hang of that when I tried it before. I'll give it another shot!
@@KevCast Yeah, I also used quite a lot of different approaches when learning. I think for me, just like you teach, learning to know how certain adjustments look and learning to recognize how to manipulate those in 3D (no matter the camera angle) was a big thing (intead of having to wait to see the hood or the bottom of the car. I'm not familiar with the Lostfeld method but I also used some rhythm utilisation myself. For example, if you are turning left, you turn right by doing the exact same adjustment by repeating that adjustment 0,5 seconds later. In terms of rhythm, you count to 4 as in music (1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and). Or just "1 and 1 and 1 and... etc. if certain adjustment now turns you left or wherever, to do the exact opposite or mirror adjustment you just time the same adjustment to fall on the "and". This means in practice that if you are turning say left, by doing certain adjustment everytime you see the hood (one adjustment per second) you can still do the same thing but you just do one with only 0,5 second in between and them back to normal again. Another way to think about it is to go from upbeats to downbeats as in musical counting. This method is cool because you dont need to analyse the position of the car at all. You only need a reference point and that is always the adjustment you're currently doing in any given time. The only thing that changes is the timing. I developed this method because at one time I had a tendency to easily turn one direction but not the other (as I was doing a "slalom drill" where you just fly forward with a lot speed and try to zig zag left and right as fast as possible). I personally used the "brute force" mehod mostly where I would fly fully boosted through the first levels of neon rings and medieval rings. I used the rhythm method and some others (the spinning mehod) where you don't need to analyse the position of your car to do the adjustments and just tried to get the hang of it intuitively without thinking about it. It still took like 100 hours or something but the brute force method was SO powerful for me, because you get some many black out moments so quickly (because you don't have time to consciously analyze what you're doing) and that's where the intuitive learning happens. And by the way, learning the other direction (I started with ARR but later also learned ARL, which actually became my main air roll) was surprisingly easy. It wasn't like learning it all again from the beginning, because you already had trained all the "mirrored" skills.
Great video, this is pretty much how I learned it. After this, all you really need is to put hours in the game and get creative in freeplay between matches
I have almost 2000 hours with normal air roll, it's so hard to change muscle memory man. I tried many times to learn directional air roll in the past 6 years but I always go back to normal air roll lol
Good effort and thought put into your process. However, you need to sit down and watch the Losfeld 2 hour thesis on air roll. Mainly because your method on how to turn is quite limited compared to Losfeld’s reverse clock method which greatly increases your turning abilities in the air, including verticality. Also Losfeld’s method of only starting from the neutral revolution is more straightforward than trying to remember what the car does at different parts of the rotation.
Yea I definitely think I'm going to have to give that video another watch, as you aren't the first person to bring up his methods here. My goal was to give people an easy foundation to start from, as that Losfeld video is pretty dense with information, but perhaps that's needed given the complexity of the mechanic. Either way, I'll definitely give it another go and report back with what I learn!
@ for sure. I think what isn’t out there is someone condensing and simplifying his video (while giving him credit). That would be very valuable. If you do watch it, focus on the “turning 2.0 (reverse clocks)” and the exercises section. The “clock” section is a rhythm training mechanism he devised but it isn’t meant to make you turn better. Whereas the “reverse clock section” actually gives you insane turning capabilities. But you need his foundational principles to do reverse clocks such as only turning on the neutral revolution. The “exercises” section shows that applying his actual method isn’t that hard or complicated (unlike his video lol); I learned the most from the exercise section after I spent time watching the video to understand the method. Good luck!
i don’t think that’s true. one DAR and manual roll is all you need. just mirror depending on what wall you are. the only time i use my non dominant air roll direction is stall resets which… are cool, ig?
dude !
thank you
i was thinking about an infinite map, did not know it existed. remove all variable, and just stroke the stick a little to create brain connection, i like that ! this is scientific and empirical. good work
super helpful! I appreciate how you're not overly energetic for no reason (every other youtuber lmao) very chill
About 2 years ago I told my friend "I wish there was was a way to train on a map with no floor, no ceiling, no walls, just a forever free fall. Then I can just mess with air roll and see what does what" and here we are...
I was just thinking that watching someone do helicopter resets. Thinking I would probably need an arena like that.
Great video! One thing to experiment is also spinning the joystick (air roll L - counter clockwise, Air roll R - clockwise). Vary the speed at witch you spin the joystic as well as the size of the circles you make with the joystick. In a way, you are spinning the joystick along with the car and it sorta feels like you're balansing the way the car turns or "leans" or "falls". If you slow down the spin of the joystick the car will turn in one direction and when you speed up, the car will turn differently. The point is to not analyse anything, just experiment by feel as if there is a direct connection from your thumb to the car and you just try to figure out that connection. Fun fact, if you spin the joystic 2 times faster than the car (2 circles in a second) the car wont turn at all. Also, if you spin the joystick to the wrong direction, it will cancel everything and the car will also just go straight forward.
Thanks for the suggestion! This sounds pretty similar to the "Losfeld method" video that's out there, but I honestly couldn't quite get the hang of that when I tried it before. I'll give it another shot!
@@KevCast Yeah, I also used quite a lot of different approaches when learning. I think for me, just like you teach, learning to know how certain adjustments look and learning to recognize how to manipulate those in 3D (no matter the camera angle) was a big thing (intead of having to wait to see the hood or the bottom of the car. I'm not familiar with the Lostfeld method but I also used some rhythm utilisation myself. For example, if you are turning left, you turn right by doing the exact same adjustment by repeating that adjustment 0,5 seconds later. In terms of rhythm, you count to 4 as in music (1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and). Or just "1 and 1 and 1 and... etc. if certain adjustment now turns you left or wherever, to do the exact opposite or mirror adjustment you just time the same adjustment to fall on the "and". This means in practice that if you are turning say left, by doing certain adjustment everytime you see the hood (one adjustment per second) you can still do the same thing but you just do one with only 0,5 second in between and them back to normal again. Another way to think about it is to go from upbeats to downbeats as in musical counting. This method is cool because you dont need to analyse the position of the car at all. You only need a reference point and that is always the adjustment you're currently doing in any given time. The only thing that changes is the timing. I developed this method because at one time I had a tendency to easily turn one direction but not the other (as I was doing a "slalom drill" where you just fly forward with a lot speed and try to zig zag left and right as fast as possible). I personally used the "brute force" mehod mostly where I would fly fully boosted through the first levels of neon rings and medieval rings. I used the rhythm method and some others (the spinning mehod) where you don't need to analyse the position of your car to do the adjustments and just tried to get the hang of it intuitively without thinking about it. It still took like 100 hours or something but the brute force method was SO powerful for me, because you get some many black out moments so quickly (because you don't have time to consciously analyze what you're doing) and that's where the intuitive learning happens. And by the way, learning the other direction (I started with ARR but later also learned ARL, which actually became my main air roll) was surprisingly easy. It wasn't like learning it all again from the beginning, because you already had trained all the "mirrored" skills.
This video came just in time for me. Ive been trying to learn for a couple weeks now. Going to use this method every chance i get. Until i get it!
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Great video, this is pretty much how I learned it. After this, all you really need is to put hours in the game and get creative in freeplay between matches
What i did to learn directional air roll was play free play only every day for a month. I now have better car control than 99% of champs
Este tutorial es muy útil, más aún para quienes estamos aprendiendo desde 0! Muchas gracias por el video, Kev!
I don't need to watch this, this just popped up on my home page on yt. I'll sub just because
Great video mate! Worth watching 28 min ✌
Underrated bro
Appreciate it 🙏
@KevCast no problem g. Keep going.
Best Air Roll Tutorial
Continue these videos bro. 🐐
I have almost 2000 hours with normal air roll, it's so hard to change muscle memory man. I tried many times to learn directional air roll in the past 6 years but I always go back to normal air roll lol
Really Helpful :)
Good effort and thought put into your process. However, you need to sit down and watch the Losfeld 2 hour thesis on air roll. Mainly because your method on how to turn is quite limited compared to Losfeld’s reverse clock method which greatly increases your turning abilities in the air, including verticality. Also Losfeld’s method of only starting from the neutral revolution is more straightforward than trying to remember what the car does at different parts of the rotation.
Yea I definitely think I'm going to have to give that video another watch, as you aren't the first person to bring up his methods here. My goal was to give people an easy foundation to start from, as that Losfeld video is pretty dense with information, but perhaps that's needed given the complexity of the mechanic. Either way, I'll definitely give it another go and report back with what I learn!
@ for sure. I think what isn’t out there is someone condensing and simplifying his video (while giving him credit). That would be very valuable. If you do watch it, focus on the “turning 2.0 (reverse clocks)” and the exercises section. The “clock” section is a rhythm training mechanism he devised but it isn’t meant to make you turn better. Whereas the “reverse clock section” actually gives you insane turning capabilities. But you need his foundational principles to do reverse clocks such as only turning on the neutral revolution. The “exercises” section shows that applying his actual method isn’t that hard or complicated (unlike his video lol); I learned the most from the exercise section after I spent time watching the video to understand the method. Good luck!
Kevpert is that you
If you start air rolling at all, do both
Agree 💪
Three*
i don’t think that’s true. one DAR and manual roll is all you need. just mirror depending on what wall you are.
the only time i use my non dominant air roll direction is stall resets which… are cool, ig?
Yes I can do both
Free air roll is useless if you have both directional air rolls
map doesn't work for me, it drops me in the field at the roof? anyone have this problem?
Weird, sorry about that! I know of a couple other out of map packs if this one doesn't work. Try these ones:
B85B-DBC9-471F-2DDA
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@@KevCast Second one works for me, thanks! Great tutorial btw
Online free play update seems to have broke quite a few as well
@@KevCast Having the same problem, first 2 codes spawn me in the map, last one spawns me outside but theres a shot clock.
any other ones handy?
i use air roll right and have a tutorial on my channel
Is that a PC only map pack
It shouldn't be, as it works on my switch as well!
@KevCast thank you
did kevpert forget his yt password? You got the same ass camera settings using the civic too
Im thinking the same thing
Oh wow, I only recently heard of Kevpert but didn't know our settings and cars were so similar - a true man of culture!
Hmmm very fishy
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