George RR Martin on Viserys's Mistake
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A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones Author George R. R. Martin Interview on Viserys's Mistake, Magic, and Theon Greyjoy
Harry Lloyd was excellent as Viserys.
Fantastic actor
He also does an amazing job narrating some of the books. I cant remember off hand all of a sudden which books he reads I think it's the Dunk and Egg books but he does a great job.
@@moneymayweathera Thank you. Write more comments like these instead of just crying about Rhaegar.
@@balabanasireti Rhagar didn't look good in the show, btw
Muhahah
I was thinking "Why is he misspronouncing dothraki?" But then I realized that he wrote it and it's probably that the show decided to pronounce it differently
I think the show pronounced it differently to make them sound more exotic or maybe even savage. I have see language pronounced in a way to over empathized certain parts of the words to make them sound more gutterish, it as if they are trying to speak Klingon.
Yeah only English pronounces 'i' as 'eye'
Yeah, it's also that George has explicitly mentioned that there's no explicit one way of pronouncing the names in his stories, any reader can put his own way of doing it.
There's a small humorous nod to that in the show actually in season 2, where Bronn and Tyrion discuss how to pronounce the name of Maester Ch'vyaltar, they all come up with different ideas and at the end Varys shows up and gives his own. Ultimately the implication is that Varys us correct, but that's still only one way to look at it.
Dothrakeye sounds like miapronounciation.
Dothrakee sounds like an actual exotic word
Nope he pronounced it wrong ! Lol
What struck me about Lord of the Rings is that Tolkien finished it.
He did had 1 more the sequel but it wasn’t started he just wrote a summary I believe or brainstorm and that’s it
I hate wen people do this comparison. Even with the hobbit tolkien wote less books in a longer span of time vs. a song of ice and fire. He also died with multiple books unfinished that had to be completed by others or where compiled with other works just to get his ideas and writings out to the public.
People need to really calm down on martin. He's done more far quicker than the guy everyone compares him with and still has a lot to give. Also that doesn't include side projects like dunk and egg, house of the dragon, or the other series' he has written for also.
He did but the only reason ‘The hobbit’ was published was because C.S.Lewis broke into his home and stole his writings. Lewis knew Tolkien would never finish editing it, so he took it into his own hands and arranged for the pair to met only to go and break into his house instead.
@@alejandromatos8570 He brainstormed a sequel but decided against it due to a lack of a proper villian I think
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!!!!
Well said.
GRRM tells his stories so "matter of fact"... If you didn't know this was fake...it would be easy to believe all of this shit is non-fiction...I love this guy
The power of the second most fantastic imagination known to man...love the guy as well
Well put, friend 👍.
@ c'mooooon🤌 you care
@@Afrimusican Whose the first?
Well, some of what he's describing do have their parallels in history. On the matter of taking Theon as a "ward" or hostage, for instance, when Stephen of Blois fought against his cousin Empress Matilda for the English throne, his side took William Marshall, the son of the leader of Matilda's forces, to guarantee a truce. The father, John Marshall, immediately broke his word, saying that he could sire more children and Stephen was faced with the dilemma of needing to hang the boy. (He decided not to in the end and instead cared for him, but still, the threat was there, as with comparable situations in history.)
This is why I think that Theon is one of the most tragic figures in all the books. He's been a hostage most of his life and was not able to develop a healthy sense of self or of where he belongs.
Yeah. His story is very sad. 😞
Lol poor baby.
Yeh exactly which is why his some what betrayal of the Starks, (after Ned’s death) in trying to take control of Winterfell worked against him. It was the opposite mistake Ned made!
While Ned mistakenly heald on to his honor while not considering other such as the Lanisters had plan of their own, Theon betrayed his honorary title as a Stark to take Winterfell not considering others such as the Boltons had plans of their own.
Theon could have have helped hold onto Winterfell for the Starks and the men of north being loyal to Stark would have backed him. But no, Theon feeling the insults of his father and sister left him to prove his loyalty to the people of the Iron Islandswho wouldn’t protect him all the same.
Theons lack of identity and Ned’s disposition tward honor lead them both wide open to betrayal. In this world people want what others have and they fight for survival, it’s unlikely a name that doesn’t carry any weight in Theon’s case or simple sheet of paper in Ned’s case would stop anyone.
Na tragedy is bad things happening to good but flawed people, Theon storry about is hybriss, but it's more like a penance and redemption narative like Jamie Lannisters.
@@claspe1049 Agreed. He's definitely had a sad upbringing and I do empathise with him, more so in the show, but tragic character not so much.
I can't prove this, and given that she's dead we may never know, but I have suspicions that Doreah was a mole and actively tried to create tension between Viserys and Dany. That chapter where she told Viserys that Dany "commanded" he join her for dinner when Dany specifically said "ask" him to join her "if it please him" has always nagged at me because that's a pretty sizeable mistake. I think Doreah was spying for someone on Robert's council, but we're supposed to think Jorah was the only source of information. Specifically as it pertains to Dany's pregnancy. What was is Barristan tells Dany later...
"...since the day you wed Khal Drogo, there has been an informer by your side selling your secrets, trading whispers to the Spider for gold and promises."
First, Jorah wasn't the only person who entered into Dany's service on her wedding day. Doreah did as well. Second, Jorah didn't spy for gold or promises; he spied for a pardon so he could return home. Doreah on the other hand, a sex worker, could be bought w/gold and promises...
Damn, that's hella cool
Interesting. It's certainly possible, I'd say.
@@janhalouzka8582 Thanks. It goes even deeper. If you dissect the scene where the council deliberates Dany's pregnancy, the entire thing is written pretty ambiguously. Nobody names Jorah as the source; in fact you get the impression that the council had been discussing the matter prior to Ned's arrival. But as soon as he gets there NED names Jorah as the informant and questions the accuracy of the report. Varys simply says Jorah wouldn't lie to him and that the report is true. Not that Jorah was the source; just that Jorah wouldn't lie and that this intel is good. So again, Jorah is seemingly implicated but there's enough wiggle room for Varys to be talking about two different people. Jorah doesn't lie when he does report, and the pregnancy tip is also true. Doesn't mean Jorah relayed it.
Well, many readers think that Marwyn, Mirri, and Varys are all in league together to bring dragons back into the world through a series of specific rituals so Doreah being a spy wouldn't be out of the question for that theory.
@@god47398 I believe that about Marwyn and Mirri, but not Varys. He hates magic and its practitioners so I personally don't see Varys joining leagues w/those two to bring magic back into the world.
Have I been saying Dothraki wrong all this time???
Dothrak-eye
The show is at fault
It's George's creation, it's his world, and he made all the names, but he says he doesn't personally hold to specific pronunciations very much. He has no problem with people pronouncing words differently than he does, and me personally I think dothraki, as in "Doe-Thrak-Eee" sounds better than his pronunciation of "Doe-Thrak-Eye". So I'm gonna keep pronouncing it that way. But that's just me.
No. George is saying it wrong. I say that unironically.
@@ryandempsey4830 bruh
I'm glad he gives Tolkien the respect he deserves
He's the OG of epic fantasy as a genre.
Game of thrones is practically a deconstuction of fantasi, you cannot deconstruct something without paying it respect.
I noticed how stories that were based off of/inspired by Tolkien and Lewis' work are the ones that get a lotta fame.
GRR Martin is way too smart to not recognize what Tolkien has done for the genre of fantasy.
@@theisjepsen22 pretentious
We’ve been saying Dothraki wrong the whole
Time. Thanks HBO
Yes but the HBO version sounds better to me. Pronouncing it the way GRRM pronounces it, makes it too English sounding. HBO made it sound more exotic which was on point in my opinion.
@@blackmamba6046 except English doesn't exist in Westeros
@@user-nn7dj3cn6j he didn't say it did. You're literally proving his point that it sounds out of place.
Well, at least we can be thankful that was the only fuck up they had in the entire 8 seasons of GOT....
😬
That’s Dumb and Dumbers fault
I love how his thoughts on the perils of overdoing magic in fantasy so perfectly describes the issues I had with The Witcher TV series.
Then you have Warhammer, which is essentially dealing with magic proliferation. Which can make for interesting storytelling if done right.
Some guy once told me that 'Kinslaying' is seen as one of the biggest crimes in Westeros, and if a Lord that has a family member being held hostage somewhere starts a conflict, he is essentially killing his own family member, thus becoming a Kinslayer - indirectly.
It's just a theory, but I like the logic of it. You won't start a conflict with someone that keeps one of your sons/daughters a hostage. Doing that has a chance of killing them in response to your attack, and you can only blame yourself for the death of the son/daughter.
It's written in Martin's canon then kinslaying is one of the biggest crimes of Westeros, it's part of why Bloodraven is hated by many, as he killed not only his brother Daemon Blackfyre but two of his nephews.
@@fandemusique4693 Maegor was hated for killing two of his nephews(Aegon and Viserys), which lead to all of Westeros finally turning against him, after initially tolerating him.
@@phousefilms yeah.
Can someone tell George he's pronouncing the name of the imaginary race he created wrong.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
This is the same as telling English people that they pronounce "aluminum" wrong when they say "aluminium"
@@darkySp YOU ARE FUCKING SMART MATE
@@darkySp you must be American. Cause everyone says it the same way except americans
@@OrangeJuiceDripping You wish
I could listen to GRRM for years on end
thanks friend
George as a huge fan of your books having read them many times each.
Any chance of you finishing . the winds of winter
Stop bloody blogging and finish the book
Its only been 9 years .
A storm of swords turned 20
Stop appeasing the woke mob on twitter
Forget HBO remember your fans who purchase your books
Seriously!?
I love how he presents this so factually like how my history teachers would from any real world history textbook.
This guy's understanding of the Game of Thrones characters is simply amazing 👌🏻
he created them stupid 😂
It's like a he wrote books...
@@ZuluBill true , wouldn't it be weird if he had written those book 😁😂
@@ZuluBill
Nah, I head that GRRM is pretty methodical in his storytelling, and everything he does takes much longer then usual. If he did the books, they would never be finished
Dothrak eye
Aye?
Doth-Rock-Eye
Wp t bag? Who's your hand?
Yes.
A guy who understands what good storytelling is. I wish the people who made The Rise of Skywalker would watch this.
Good stories have endings.
@@matingly23 bad stories also have endings
@@jaylinsa If GOT was a bad story we wouldn't be here talking about it. It's a shame that GRRM can't finish it.
I wish more of the people who watched it did too.
I wonder would Ned have really killed Theon if Balon got out of hand again?
Wondered that myself but I’m leaning toward yes. If he sees it as duty it’s unlikely he wouldn’t do it.
He’d reluctantly do it if there was no other option. Book Ned was described as something like respectful and courteous towards Theon but never loving or caring probably because he knew he might have to execute him someday so it’s best to not get too close as that would make the decision harder.
He won't 👍. killing kids is one thing he hates the most. he will put him confinement or maybe send him to the wall. but he won't kill him for something his father did.
@Hideo Kojima He took Theon as ward when he was still a boy though. For all he knew, Balon could've rebelled a year later and Ned may have had to make good on his threat. I think he would have. Though like everyone else is saying, he wouldn't revel in it, and it would likely haunt him.
@@greenboots_4661 the whole point of taking theon hostage is to prevent balon from rebelling. If he still rebels anyway then killing theon is pointless because balon still rebelled knowing that his son was a hostage and would likely be killed. So at that point you might ass well let theon live b/c he's no longer valuable as a hostage
Your work is greatly appreciated
Sword of the Morning!
one thing i like about Martin is that he is the biggest GOT fan in the world.he likes his own work more than anyone else and i think thats the sign of a good artist.
Naturally. No one is gonna write about things they don't like lmao
@@pnut3844ableright lmao? Idk what op was even trying to say
@@pnut3844ableYou’d be surprised. A lot of people start writing things they love, but over time their hearts stop being in it, but they’ve gotta keep it going anyway because the story isn’t finished yet.
@@pnut3844able No one is going to write about things they don't like? Considering it's been over a decade since Dance, I guess we can conclude Gurm doesn't like ASOIAF after all.
@@cornpop838 Uh....go ask Abrams whether he likes his own work on star wars lol
I love how he uses real political schemes in medieval Europe. Like giving your daughter/sister for marriage or having your children taken as hostage by your enemy.
This is what makes his story so fantastic and beautiful, regardless of any dragons or white wakers is grounded in reality.
That's not just a European thing. Inter "royal" family marriages are a thing among pretty much every culture in the world. The ties of family, clan, tribe, have been used to cease agressions since man kind started congregating in larger groups and competing over resources.
It’s hardly grounded in reality. The children of the forest, the first men and the white walkers (zombies).
I think there was also an issue with Viserys only had Danaerys just as Robert only had Ned and eventually Cersei only had Jaime...but being the Beggar King he was and her coming into her own like she did, he was instead following her rather than her following him as well as he thought he was too big for his britches
I need a video of GRRM just saying the names of people, places, and things in the ASOIAF universe.
He is so thoughtful. I love his interviews
On magic: The Legend of Huma and the books in the Malazan Book of The Fallen handled magic perfect (for me). The mages and wizards were used as heavy artillery in large troop engagements. Each side had to use protective magics to counter what was coming. During all this, the troops on the ground (dragons in the air in Huma) just had to trust in the magics of their wizrards to keep them safe. It was really well described.
Further, I think the "lack" of magic in GRRM books fits the narrative perfectly :)
Interesting, thanks.
There have been hints that Magic is returning to the world. So it may be the case that a hypothetical seventh GRRM book would feature a more high-magic world. But at this point, I don't think we're ever going to see that.
" if you have a wizard or a sorceress who can speak a word and whipe out an army, whats the point of buiding an army "
Danny : laughs in dracarys
*D&D's Danny
Well, the dragons can take out a whole army, provided the target doesn't have plot armour
@Bann me Again nazis Field of Fire literally says fuck you.
That event is exactly why the Targaryens ultimately won the Seven Kingdoms. The greatest dragons of their history unleashed upon some of the greatest forces that Westeros had to offer.
But dragons can be killed
tell that to the dornish..
How do you get so much content! Love watching these, keeps me motivated to keep reading the books.
About the powerful army destroying wizard, that's why the other side brings an equally powerful wizard to counteract their spells. That being said, I do thoroughly enjoy fantasy worlds where magic is rare because it makes the moments when there is magic all the more epic.
Sure, but in such a world, smart rulers would spend their resources not on raising large armies but on opening wizard colleges. And that world would look different from GRRM's world.
You know the funny thing is, I didn't even really notice how little magic actually showed up in Lord of The Rings until I saw the deleted scene with Saruman on his tower when he shoots a literal fire ball at Gandalf and company. And I am like holy shit, they can do that? I mean they used force powers in their last fight lol.
The extended editions are fantastic! There's a scene with Gandalf and the Witch king during the siege of Minas Tirith that's good too.
@@MehIgotnothing that scene is actually stupid.. but looks cool, true that
@@archaiahp Agreed, it kills me lore wise, but that flaming sword is cool.
That's why they fight platoon style in Eberron, i. e., In Eberron the armies don't fight in line infantry, they converted into 'united' infantry, which used wands and staffs for firepower and skirmish tactics.
i think in his world it could be an issue. but it depends on the scale of the setting/universe. in D&D becasue there are crazy arch mages, liches and gods literally walk the earth and exist in their realities, etc you need a balancing factor. BUT because its all there, they keep themselves in check. Gods cant just kill servants of another god. i mean, they can but they dont cuase of what will happen to them, etc. in battles, arch mages fight demons etc while soldiers fight the other foot soldiers, etc.
So I've been saying Dotraki wrong for years? Thanks😂
The entire show said it wrong then.
No, Martin is just being a curmudgeon. He was still writing on the show and working with D&D when most of the Dothraki stuff was going down in Essos - they even had a guy create the Dothraki language! And nobody - _nobody!_ - ever said "Dothrak-eye" until now, when he's doing this foolishness. If this really was the case, do we not think he might have mentioned it to the writers, actor and Dothraki Linguist in, oh I don't know, say season one episode one when they were first mentioned by name? Just like he's now pretending it's "Bar-lon" Greyjoy when everyone has been calling him "Bay-lon" Greyjoy without correction all these years! It's clear that the visions of he and D&D diverged long ago and he's none too happy about the way the show went, but this is just petty.
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 I enjoyed reading your comment 😂 It makes senses
Doth.rakiii???😂😂😂
@ I knew it was only a matter of time before a triggered GRRM fanboy started crying. Sorry snowflake, but your hero is not a god, he's a human with human attributes. And he's pissed off that the TV show messed with his books so he's being petty. EVERYONE - _including_ GRR Martin - knows it's "Dothrak-ee" and not "Dothrak-eye".
Interesting what George says about having magic but not exaggerating on it, or it'll just overwhelm the plot and make it nonsensical. In the books Dany escaped the House of Undying running, after Drogon burns some of the warlocks and is saved by Jhogo and Rakharo. She conquers Astapor being tricky and using the unsullied, burning Kraznys is just a detail. Also Drogon definitely doesn't come to rescue and protect her at Daznak Arena, but rather is atracted by noise and blood and just adds to the chaos. Same of Rhaegal and Viserion in the 2nd battle of Meereen. George never intented her dragons to be used as deus ex machina, not until now.
Exactly why I'm not a Harry Potter fan.
Totally agree with him about his perspective on magic in modern fantasy. I think there's too much emphasis placed on it.
I'll bet GRRM calls Italians "Eye talians"
He's from Bayonne NJ, could be.
If he created the italians, then I wouldn't be surprised.
Spaghett-eye
@Imafraid Jumitebeeinnagang
Dothraki isn't English? Well, then, according to you, the pronunciation shouldn't be Dothrak-eye, because that's a very anglophone thing to do.
And how is jraphics correct, nerd? 😂
@@davefred _Fun Fact: He actually did. Before 1967, Italy was called Bootland, and it's inhabitants Bootys. They got GRRM in to do an re-write in '68, and the rest, as they say, is history_
DB Weiss.
I have so much respect for Mr. George, he speaks in such seriousness about his world. 👌🏻♥️
2:04 grrm predicted the rise of sky walker and is roasting it from the past
This guy is on the verge of finish the greatest fantasy book of the 21 century, it is really concerning that he may not end his masterpiece. Godspeed GRRM, that you can be able to finish your work!
It is sad that Tolkien never get to finish The Silmarilion which should be Tolkien’s masterpiece,but at least he left LotR, Martin’s work is great, but his masterpiece is A song of Ice and Fire, and he don’t have a Lord of the Ring to his legacy, he need to finish A Song.
I think he may finish the next book but not the last one.
is the Silmarillion considered better than the lord of the rings trilogy
@@ammarmusa77 i don’t think so, the fact that it is unfinished, to me is a big no no.
I can’t consider a unfinished work better than the one that is complete.
he got a lot done during lockdown
I prefer Wheel of Time to be honest.
There's a lot of twists and betrayals you don't see coming, while some are extremely blatant, but meant to throw you off the scent of others. GRRM is a great writer still, but I also feel like his style ended up being a little too predictable. I understand "no one is safe", but it also ended up being "New people who are interesting aren't safe, and these core people WILL be safe until the end at the very least".
I like how David Eddings handled magic. It can be used but there is a price. The more you use it, the more it wears you out, and can even kill you. Or even starting a storm can change weather patterns globally and can be disastrous.
Out of interest, does his conviction for child abuse have an impact on the way you regard his work?
@@gilgamesh3328 I didn't know about that kinda stuff. I usually am able to separate people's work from their private lives, but as a child abuse survivor myself, it does leave a bad taste in my mouth... That sucks.
@@gilgamesh3328 Shouldn't matter. A doctor a can be a racist, communist, homophobe and I'd still want him as my doctor if he's able and willing to provide good service.
@@chrisdominguez5097 ... But if he is all those things it would influence how he treats patients that don't look or act like him
@@awesomness36 If that's case, he wouldn't be willing to treat me in the first place anyway. And if he is not willing then so be it. If he is willing then okay.
I'm not saying I'll specifically look for a an "ist" or "phobe" doctor but if I need one and he's already there, I wouldnt go and say "Hey sorry I realized you're a blahblah so I'm gonna have to find a new one."
It sounds like Viserys should of just played his cards in Westeros or pentos. He could of halted the Tyrell’s an martells from joining the Lannisters if he played his cards right
I think that Tyrells were going on their own way after Targaryens were over thrown. I blame this mess on 70 percent on Aerys Targaryen. The other on the power plays of members to the Targaryens of the past.
Viserys didn't have any cards to play, that's the whole point of marrying Dany to Drogo.
@@exu7325 very true but he some cards but he didn't know about the Martell's pack.
@@exu7325 exactly. And he didnt have any cards to play because he didnt know how to build a deck. How he kinda nuts like his father the mad king.
@@lastword8783 He didn't have any cards to play because he doesn't have anything beside the last name of his father, a deposed monarch. Nevermind a deck, Dany (and her marriage to Drogo) is the only card he has in his hand.
"he's got a stick that glows a little" lmao
Re Mirri Mazz Duur's dancing shadows- I was always struck by this:
"...Inside the tent shapes were dancing, circling the brazier and bloody bath...She glimpsed the shadow of a great wolf, and another like a man wreathed in flames."
Call me crazy, but it sounds like Rickard and Brandon Stark's deaths were shown there. GRRM could've depicted anything, but he chose that. Why? It's little deliberate moments like that which make me think Dany could be part Stark. I don't think she is, but sometimes I wonder...
Part Stark? From which side do you feel she may be?
@@HoofHearted88 If the theory was true, her mother.
@@ashleyofnaath Ah, so you're a R+L=D supporter I take it? I'm not sure about that one myself.
@@HoofHearted88 No. I believe Dany is Aerys and Rhaella's. At times I allow myself to indulge in some tinfoil thinking though; and because of the snippet I gave (plus a few others) I wonder if Dany could be Rhaegar and Lyanna's, which would also make her Jon's twin as opposed to his aunt.
@@HoofHearted88 There are also times where I wonder if Dany is Rhaegar's daughter by Ashara Dayne. I find that scenario to be more likely than her being the daughter of Rhaegar and Lyanna. Again, when I'm going the tinfoil route. I do ultimately think Dany is who she's purported to be.
That permanent gold crown he recieved looked like it hurt like hell.
Poor boy
That Theon part is crazy😲😲
Love how magic is presented in GoT and LOTR. That the power is implied/unseen but still a great threat.
Varys was the best part of season one. He was an absolutely deranged and I loved it.
.... Viserys you mean?
Varys is the Eunich btw.
Varys is the most level headed guy
Firmly established rules of magic, and its limitations, are important. However, I find the lack of magic in most fantasy fiction to be unfortunate. It's so rare that we see these epic chess game-like mage duels as combatants weave offensive and defensive magics against each other to awe inspiring effect.
I agree when I first got into Game of Thrones I thought there would be more magic. I thought the Maesters would fulfill that role of Wise powerful mages. Even more than what we’ve seen, from Melisandre.
It would have been awesome, even Mage vs warrior fights sword vs sorcery. I want to see more. I could see Characters like Sam, someone who had been seen a coward, not quite a physical fighter, come to realize a he possess a magical gift and grows his power become a powerful respectable mage in the end.
"Magic makes the plot nonsensical because its too OP"
Hold my dragon
THIS is the commentary that we should've gotten at the end of every episode! The author's insight on what inspired these storylines.
Not those 2 duds basically reiterating everything we had just seen loll
"If you put too much magic in your fantasy it starts to overwhelm the plot."
Ahem, star wars, ahem.
Viserys is honestly an underrated character.
I confess....I usually can't watch deaths in movies/tv shows (animtated or live action)......but I ENJOYED watching the deaths in this show.....particularly, Viserys, Joffrey and Ramsay. I relished their pain.
What about oberyn
should do one on "George RR Martin on finishing what he started"
He's probably snoozing in that same leather chair right now.
Why assemble an army when you have a sorceress who can wipe them out? That's a fair point. Taken from Sapkowski's Witcher books which have a lot of magic, sorcerers fight on both sides of armies. He does magic very well and takes care to explain the limitations and consequences of using magic.
You could also view wizards as nuclear missiles, essentially serving as weapons of pacification. You don't assemble an army because you know the enemy will use a powerful wizard against you, and vice versa.
I love low-fantasy settings for stories.
Merry Christmas 🎁
What an amazing storyteller!! GRRM is amazing
wow. Love his talk about Tolkein. I find the films slightly harder to stomach (LOTR) because that small amount of 'magic' is largely removed (Bombadil, Beorns animal speech and sheep who carry dinner). Felt it lost that slight 'whimsy' for the sake of large-scale sale of the film (to my detriment, to many others joy).
Agreed
He pronounces everything different than I thought it would be in my head.
It's so much fun to listen to him explain this story lol
Why can’t I stop watching these videos of him … genius !
Could you please finish the novels, sir?
We need a better end than in TV 😉
Much love for your work. You and Mr. Tolkien are the best
I'm sure he was meaning to give readers the same ending, only it would be more elaborate when it comes to character development. I'm pretty sure he had it figured out just like it panned out in the series in rough outlines all along. Btw apart from the fact that the last two seasons were too rushed I loved the ending.
@@blackmamba6046 part of the issue was that he intended for the series to be a trilogy, then after the first book was such a success he was asked to make it a longer series.
The next two books came out in quick succession every two years (1996-2000). Then it slowed down after that.
Not to mention the nature of giving due attention to many concurrent storylines.
His explanation on using magic in fantasy makes totally sense. This was the mistake of the 3rd LOTR movie where basically the whole fight of gondor to defend their city as well as the most epic scene, the ride of the rohirrim, basically became totally pointless after the dead arrived and kicked orc asses. I mean if the rohirrim arrived like couple of hours later the battle would still have been won without a single rider dying...
In the book the dead never arrived to the city
@@Nielsslieker I know that. Just said, this was the mistake of the movie.
Watching George in interviews it's like he thinks he's a historian and he's completely forgot that he wrote this stuff😂
Viserys' biggest mistake was giving up his sister for his ambition in the first place.
He gave her the ability and every reason to turn on him, and so she did.
To me Drogo was going to give him Yi Ti, Drogo was heading east of Vaes Dothrak and the only thing east is the Bone Mountain and east of that is the Plain of the Jogo Snai and Yi Ti
To me it makes sense as the Dothraki are base of the Mongols and they conquered China, also when a Nomad tribe conquer a kingdom they usually didn’t crown themselves kings but put a loyal person in the throne who would pay them tribute, Viserys would have become the emperor of Yi Ti and maybe taken the title of Ruby Emperor
that would be a great fanfic
@@wolfsbanealphas617 And I have already has a cool title for the fanfic "The Ruby Emperor"
@@Yannis1a Perfect who ever makes it I want viserys to be awesome I think he had the potential but no one to guide him or give him a wakeup call
@@wolfsbanealphas617 Don't give me Ideas now I want to make it
@@wolfsbanealphas617 And you just gave me and Idea Baristan would be his guide as he would go to him after leaving Westeros if he was alive
I love listening to GRRM speak. It's fascinating
Nice video! I love GOT except for the ending. I just watched House Of the Dragon, so good. Waiting for episode 2.
episode 2 came out like hours ago
@@MontyQueues and it was even better than e1
GRRM "You have the magic under control, Gandalf doesn't obliterate entire armies"
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Viserys backstory is so sad. He lost everything because of his mad father and stupid brother
I don't think Rhaegar was stupid, especially considering he was so highly regarded by a variety of people. I think he gradually went mad ( but not as mad as his father), due to genes, obsession about the prophecy, etc.
Also we meet again Lord Snow!!!
@@bakthihapuarachchi3447 hey merry Christmas.
Rhaegar was both mad and cruel. He left his own sick wife and little children to be butchered. Atleast the mad king send his family to safety
Rhaegar wasn’t stupid he just happened to be on the losing side of the war.
@@RestitutorEuropa he was both stupid and cruel.
@@RestitutorEuropa of course he was on the losing side, he was a loser. Instead of fighting the year he started he was hiding in that damn tower for more than a year. Most of the time others did the fighting for him. He only came at the end and got hammered by king Robert
Overlord shows how you can have overwhelming magic and still make the story works.
I don't think the story does 'work' though. It's just a series of set pieces showing how OP the main character is.
What would have been Viserys' tax policy?
I haven't felt this surprised about a pronunciation since Taylor lautner
If you have one or more flying, fire breathing dragons against you, why even assemble an army?
Because armies can defeat dragons
@@tirelipinponchiwawa9368 Have you read Fire & Blood?
@@henrikg1388 I currently am ^^, still in the beginning tho
I mean the people of Westeros literally never expected to be attacked by Dragons, Aegon's Conquest was a complete surprise and most people thought Dragons to be extinct before Dany's were born
@@kielanwade5096 yes and see Dorne? Dorne never lost against dragons
wow. a few seconds in and I hear him pronounce Dothraki in a completely different way as everyone in the show.
I appreciate GRRM so much more, for giving Tolkien the respect he deserves.
Wonder if GRRM plays D&D (not Dave and Dan).
So the entire show has pronounced the Dothraki wrong and George didn't bother to correct them?
If I was going to be a hostage I would want to be Ned stark’s hostage. Theon got off easy.
I don’t know why, but every time I read GoT I have these imagination of Viserys being actually competent. 😂
Sneaking into the Red Keep for Targaryen armor(mentioned in Arya chapter) or stealing dragon eggs from Dragonstone and venturing to old Valyria for ancient artifacts or finding hibernating Cannibal. Just being the adventurous hero, just doing not unrealistic, just bold stuff maybe dying while doing it, but i feel like adventure in Essos, is something I would like to see(I know Tyrions chapters were like that, so it’s kinda covered, but Essos is massive). I don’t know It may be my love for Targaryens and my inability to fully connect with Danny…
"If you have a wizard who can speak a word and wipe out an army why would you even assemble an army?" He says while his books contain dragons that can wipe out armies with a word 🤣
Bless mr Martin and his amazing mind 🥰
Someone make George say “Cersei hates the Dothraki”. It will sound very wrong to all of us.
Ser Sigh heights the Dothrak, aye
I’m so glad GRRM is more of a Hobbit than Tolkien could ever have envisioned
I was just thinking about what he said about being careful when adding magic into your story and was thinking about he would do with certain characters from other stories that was basically all powerful.
For instance if he wrote in a character that was literally immortal and could not die no matter what was done to them they would probably find themselves either beheaded and their head thrown into a cesspit and sealed shut or dismembered with their body parts hanging in a thrown room as decorations and their head placed on a spike somewhere and their tongue cut out
Even HBO and Dumb and Dumber was saying Dothraki wrong all this time
Why would someone dislike this?
Maddening isn’t it.
I love how he pronounces Dothraki in his own way like George Lucas pronounces everything in Star Wars "wrong" lol
You do realize GRRM created ASOIAF right? If he says that's how you pronounce it. Well...that's how you pronounce it.
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Viserys and Daenarys relationship with the Dothrakik reminds me a lot of Peter III and his wife Catherine the Great from Russia. Both were Prussians but once they were in the Russian Monarchy, Catherine chose to learn Russian and incorporate with Russian culture/politics while Peter chose to stick with German and look at the Russians with contempt despite being their ruler. Catherine would dispose of his husband pretty quickly as the common Russian quickly liked Catherine more
You can't have a wizard that can wipe out a whole army, then why have an army at all.
We can however have an army of the Golden Company and put them outside the wall so a dragon can completely wipe them out with one breath..
I didn’t know that I needed to hear GRRM talk about Lord of The Rings until today.
All of this makes sense but then again, GOT was a good show until the last seasons, especially season 8 where nothing any character does makes any sense. It was like watching lord of the rings with dc joker being the main character in the last movie.
Genius simile
The character development was very lacking but it was still there in sketches and if you paid attention you would have seen it going the way it went. Should have been more elaborate but the ending was great all in all.
Mangakas should take note of the part where it talks about magic, as it's a common resource in manga. Many times, I get lost when they break their own established rules just for plot armor or unjustified power-ups.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be overpower characters, but they have to follow their own rules to reach that power, and many simply forget them.
Alright George, now where are the rest of ‘em books? !✨✌🏼✨❤️
The books... Do you know what the books are? It's the thousand non-existant pages of Martins ideas, a story we agree to tell each other over and over, until we forget that it's a lie.
You know, I really hated Viserys for the longest time. He was just portrayed as this delusional wretch, so warped by what he thinks is entitled to him that he was willing to hurt Dany in exchange. He was willing to trade Dany for the throne, for any chance at it really. But then when I think about it, he could have had the greatest hero story of all time, but he didn't - because life is fucking hard. He lost everything in the Rebellion. His royalty, his family save his sister, his mother, everything - and then is forced to live in some foreign land to start again. When Ser Willem Darry died, he lost everything he had left. He went from Prince of Seven Kingdoms to a pitiful beggar in a foreign land. That is brutal. And it's sad that the trauma he endured transformed him into such a delusional wretch of a man.
The quarantine is showing. George might end up looking like Gandalf in earnest by the time we get out.
This interview was from 2011-2012, so zero to do with quarantine
Love how he explains his characters.
I've been pronouncing Dothraki wrong all this time👀🙄🥶
speaking of Theon... the more i think about it, the more i realize it made absolutely zero fucking sense that Ned kept Theon. Look at all the soul searching that Ned had to do to find the conviction to kill a wolf that had done nothing, and look at how he fought Robert over killing Daenarys, he actually gave up being Hand over the command; now try to imagine Ned killing Theon if Theon's poppa violated the conditions of his surrender. It wouldn't happen. I can't imagine Ned using the sins of the Father to hurt an innocent third-party. Infact the only way I can even rationalize Ned having kept Theon so he didn't end up with a Lord who might *actually* kill Theon (Robert for instance.)
Just makes you wonder what Old Ned would have done if Pyke ever stepped out of line. Obviously he had to have wanted to send him back to Pyke when he was ready to rule, but it just begs the question how would he have explained himself if he had a hostage and then failed to do anything with him.
Your average father really doesn't want someone to kill his son, even if he suspects that the would-be-killed may be bluffing and there's a big chance that the threat won't be carried out. The possibility of your son dying is still a pretty big deterrent.
Plus Balon isn't omniscient. He doesn't have our benefit of being inside Ned's head as we read his chapters. From Balon's point of view, Ned is the guy who started and then won a rebellion. Obviously starting a rebellion killed a whole lot of people. Do you really want to bet that this respected military commander won't kill your son if you invade him?
Plus Ned letting the Iron Islanders pillage and rape their way through the North would also lead to a lot of dead children.
I mean, the Dothraki won't go near any water there horses don't drink, so Viserys would've been screwed out of a deal very easily
Rhaegar should've arranged for his entire family to be sent to Dorne for protection. At that point I think most everyone would've listened to him over Aerys since the Kingdom's hopes rested on his shoulders
Rhaegar was a madman who was obsessed with prophecies. He not only abandoned his sick wife, but also left his little children to be butchered. Seriously what's the difference between Craster and Rhaegar, they both let their little children to be butchered
@@moneymayweathera Nah.
Makes sense Maybe The reich too since they have more resources and are supporters of the targareys durring the rebelion
Harry Lloyd is incredible as Quinn in Counterpart. Viserys’ wig totally threw me off, I never even noticed that it was the same actor.