Toji vs Mahoraga Is a Mismatch...
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- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2023
- In this video me and @sixfromtokyo discuss Toji and Mahoraga's scaling in order to see who would win. We go over the respective characters strength, speed, durability, and hax, all in order to determine the victor.
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Theres no way I just lsitened to this man say Toji beats Mahoraga..this is insanity on a diff level
funniest niggas ever lmao
I think with his full arsenal he does the Toji in Shibuya doesn't.
@@diegomurillo5562 okay? You think Toji is gonna cut Mahoraga in half with his soul blade? How slow do you think Mahoraga is? Lol
@@diegomurillo5562 he doesn’t either way
@@venotti86 inverted spear would likely just forcibly dispell mahoraga the second it touches it. Mahoraga is part of ten shadows CT and ISOH shuts off cursed techniques. At minimum it nullifies mahoraga's adaptation allowing it to be killed by Soul Liberation Blade.
Mahoraga was taking blue enhanced punches from gojo and he scales to 3 finger sukuna in strength WHAT
Yeah this is some really braindead scaling tbh.😂 The only reason why sukuna said he “might” have lost is cause he still had a domain back then and he can possibly use his fire technique. No way in hell Toji scales to the mahoraga sukuna fought.
Tanked a black flash from a double Black flash buffed Gojo. Then a black flash from a triple black flash buffed Gojo.
Bruh I swear people don’t listen to the video. Megumi’s Mahoraga is stated to be able to give trouble to sukuna, and he might potentially lose. But Toji is stated as Faster than that sukuna and stronger than him. And with the soul split katana ignoring durability Toji speed blitzes Megumi’s weaker mahoraga, but against a more powerful Sukuna Mahorga which did all the things you listed I will agree
Mahoraga already adapted to blue at that point tho so the amp wasn't there. Still impressive that Maho tanked multiple black flashes from Gojo tho. Still, the first black flash that hit Sukuna directly was even stronger because of the blue amp.
sukuna's mahoraga is stronger than megumi's mahoraga
I feel like toji with his full curse tool arsenal has a good chance to beat mahoraga. But if we're just talking the Toji in Shibuya then mahoraga wins.
If we think soul split katana can one shot Mahoraga then yeah I'd agree. Or if Mahoraga's adaptation counts as a cursed technique, inverted spear of heaven could probably nullify it. If either of those are the case then yeah I could see a prime Toji pulling a dub, but it'd likely be pretty high dif since Mahoraga likely has the stats to keep up with and even overwhelm Toji.
@@meowsquaredCould Mahoraga adapt to the inverted spear and soul split is the real question
@@SD-kw2bn apparently he can adapt to imaginary mass and dismantle, so yeah most likely
@@SD-kw2bn Yes, however I doubt it would be able to do it fast enough for the split soul to not have already taken it out
@@SD-kw2bn "Any and all phenomena". Pretty sure it can.
If toji can beat Mahoraga we might as well start making arguments he beats adult Gojo&Kashimo💀
Maki was tagging 15 fingers Sukuna and she's supposed to be as strong as Toji at that point. In the authors writing he literally said Toji is 15fingers Sukuna fast because Author's Maki can tag him and Maki and Toji are equal right now in stats.
@@jmb47kkamikaze80 they lucky megumi holding back sukuna that he can only use 10% output otherwise they are dead dead
@@jmb47kkamikaze80in this fight, that his output is 10%.
cursed technique output, not physical output. If it were the physical output, she'd only be keeping up with 1.5 finger Sukuna, which isn't consistent.@@chubbyanemone696
@@paolojohnmanlangit377510% output could mean lower CE reinforcement which means lower durability and lower strength and lower speed.
And you could also argue that Sukuna was superior with the hands when he was in Yujis body, since Yuji is much stronger and faster than Megumi.
mahoraga is definitely on par with sukuna physically. he keeps up with him throughout the fight. sukuna only edges him out in techniques and ap. He tanks everything sukuna throws at him while fighting back. This is insane mahoraga downplay for no reason
This video was probably made before episode 17 released, they were going off of what was shown in the manga
did you. . . listen to the video?💀💀💀☠☠☠
@@justaguywholikesanimeDo you just believe whatever video you see on the internet without using your own reading comprehension? 💀💀💀🤡🤡🤡
Did you just say maho is on par with sukuna in physical capabilities?😂
@@PLOT-IS yes he is, stop dickriding
God, Toji's glaze is too strong! Jogo couldn't even touch Sukuna, something Mahoraga did many times over. Toji is not him, he isn't a loop hole in Mahoraga's adaptation.
Its actually crazy they think Toji could win Maho adapts 2 ways after getting hit and over time Toji could speed blitz him but after the 1st time he does that Maho is going to be able to react to him and it gets worse over time whatever advantage Heavenly restriction users have physically is going to negated just after the 1st attempt. In the end the heavenly restriction still uses the Mechanics of cursed energy ie Binding vows to get what they have its not wholly separate to Jujutsu it still falls to the umbrella it still works inside it not its own thing.
fax it says any and every phenomenon
Mahoraga got one hit on sukuna and that was when he was off guard, sukuna was going full power the entire jogo fight.
inverted spear of heaven one shots, simple fact bro.
@@Thezahzahe was not going full power against jogo are you crazy?😂😂😂
Just started the video. There’s no way Toji wins this. Regardless of the new episode or not. No need to bring up Mahoraga amped by the strongest in the verse and has the single best attack in the verse
It wasn't even amped xd, when fighting Yorozu Sukuna had no reason to amp Mahoraga, and when fighting Gojo Sukuna didn't have the output to amp it in any significant way. Mahoraga is the same in all its summons
Toji low dif, the soul splitter one shot big M
@@LoudYapperproof that he’s the same ? Other summons are more powerful when sukuna use it than megumi
Sukuna had infinitely more output than megumi when he summoned mahoraga
@@ni9274 it is very likely that Mahoraga can adapt to it xd
@@ni9274 yeah but they also change physically when summoned and Sukuna decided if he wants to empower them, Mahoraga looked the same in all of its fights and against Yorozu Mahoraga was already adapted and Sukuna had no reason to strengthen it and against Gojo Sukuna output was so weakened that the empowert he could have given Mahoraga is neglegable so he wouldn't have wasted it on Mahoraga
I love Toji as a character, but he lost to the 17-year-old Gojo. To be precise, he's weaker than the young Gojo before his awakening, so much so that he creates a complex plan to force Gojo to go without sleep for three days in order to have a chance of victory.
Mahoraga is fighting at the level of a 15-finger Sukuna. Sukuna was punched between buildings! The same Sukuna who dodged all of Jogo's attacks.
Sukuna wasn't fighting seriously against Ryu, who got speedblitzed --> Ryu, who managed to put pressure on Yuta --> Yuta who is stronger than Toji.
That's not quantum physics. Just look at the facts.
Why don't ppl understand this bruh😭 toji got hurt by a red from teen gojo and jogo took on a red blast from prime gojo that leveled an entire forest toji has no good durability feats that can have him be amped up to something like 15f sukuna and survive being hit and thrown around by mahoraga all over shibuya
@@chromtastic2092I love Toji but the way they wank him up using maki feats is just wild.
@@chromtastic2092 Exactly! It's good to know that there are sane people in this community.
toji was old af he stated that he is remembering how to do his job bcz he became once again sorcerer killer after megumi mother dies
prime toji would beat young gojo if he knows about purple
@@elhood4060 Why wouldn’t we use Maki feats? The manga literally says they’re equal. Anything maki can do Toji can do simple as that
Lmaoo this video is MAJOR glazing. Toji gets turned into mush and I’m not even joking.
Megumi didn’t even get one tapped. Toji will take forever to dies and this is if maho even touches him
@@ofimportance5458bro cannot read 😭 Megumi did get one tap. The only reason why he was still "alive" is because the ritual was still on going
lmaooo why do kids just enter these threads and cant read@@alfshigechi5518
@@alfshigechi5518nah bro he got healed 💀
@@sugardady1019 sukuna states he's being kept suspended via the ritual. If he hadn't saved the miracle dude megumi would've died.
I love SixfromTokyo. I just have one issue. The take that Toji/Maki is 3rd in ther verse. So we saying that Yuki, Hakari, Yuta, Takaba, and Kenjaku. Thats kinda crazt
I mean I can see the argument for Toji above Yuuta, Yuki, and Hakari, the others tho is crazy.
@@thecod2345 kenjaku soloed yuki????????? takaba is currently proven himself a real menace to even kenjaku??????????? WDYM LOL
you guys have to remember that these statements are their interpretations of how strong these characters are/might be. It doesn’t mean that what they say is fact AT ALL! (p.s SIX glazes Toji so hard it’s literally insane 😂)
Didnt gojo literally say to YUTA AND HAKARI to jump in if he gets weaker than them no mention of the toji clone xd
@@thecod2345I could see Toji being above hakari and Kashimo as long as he doesn’t activate his CT especially since Toji can nullify it with ISOH (if he starts with his CT activated Toji is dead) then that’s a arguable statement but against Yuki, yuta, or kenjaku there is no way. Unless he preps but even with prep he isn’t beating kenjaku
just meat riding toji holy shit
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Mahoraga's stomping Toji. His ability to adapt to ANY phenomenon is an inherent feature of his not a Cursed Technique so the Inverted Spear of Heaven would be useless, and besides what makes you think that he can't build a resistance to the blunt-force attacks of Playful Cloud or the slashes of the Soul-Split Katana after surviving Malevolent Shrine?
because theoretically toji could use soul spilitter and ISOH to POSSIBLY overwhelm in one consecutive attack (his speed and strength alone is literally top 2 in the verse). And also dont down play non cursed objects such as grenades, guns etc. sure maho can adapt to it but if toji uses the combination of his arsenal + a big enough grenade to eviscerate. Who knows toji could fuckin rip out maho's sword and used it for himself (honestly doesnt sound too far fetched 🤣) maybe that'll force maho to adapt to himself as the blade is part of him which could maybe cause a curse 'loophole' like the grany's technique where toji could abuse and possibly win but definitely extreme-diff for sure
@@HopperHopsGaming1stThe amount of headcannon cope fanfic nonsense in this comment is something even mahoraga can’t adapt to.
@@cornbread9512 you realize ISOH likely just instantly un-summons mahoraga right. At worst it completely shuts off it's adaptation.
bro.. isoh desummons mahoraga, he is a shikigami summoned by a cursed technique.
@@diegomurillo5562Yeah that’s a possibility. Not concrete since toji tried to block gojos red with it but it didn’t fully negate it, but still definitely a possibility. But you realized the other dude unironically said that toji could use guns against mahoraga right?
Mahoraga didn't die or fall from a punch by Gojo which from Yuta's own mouth said made him throw up, so that means Mahoraga's usual durability is above Yuta's, though we don't know by how much.
Then we've also gotta use Jogo's fight with Sukuna as a measurement for Mahoraga because they both fought the exact same Sukuna. Mahoraga performed much better against Sukuna than Jogo did, and Jogo by Kenjaku's estimation is worth 7-8 of Sukuna's fingers.
he was taking gojo black flashes
Don't forget that Yuta was talking about the blue enhanced punches, Sukuna only summoned Mahoraga after it had fully adapted to blue and infinity meaning those hits it was taking were just regular CE infused punches. The black flashes though were a crazy feat.
DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHEN THIS HAPPENED?
That was Sukunas Mahoraga which is obviously stronger than Megumi Shibuyas One.
(Look at Nue and the Dogs for an example)
That was a Mahoraga summoned by sukuna lmao
THIS GUY SIX POWER SCALING MAKES NO SENSE, THIS GUY DOWNGRADES THE MAIN VILLAIN TO MAKI LEVEL, HAS TOJI ABOVE YUTA. THIS MAKES NO NARRATIVE SENSE. WTF IS THIS.
On god bro got to stay on that naruto shit
The Toji meat riding is insane
Toji is the most overrated character in jjk by far he’s like the itachi❤of jjk
@@spaghettimaghetti5042 we all know his jogoat victim
@@Goat_man-original agreed I like toji but his nowhere near the top 10
@@Goat_man-original gojo sukuna kenny yuta yuki kashimo maho geto with access to all his curses jogo hakarri
are all stronger
@@Goat_man-original adult geto who was would have won if he had all his curses against jjks gary stu ( yuta) I will just say if it's shibuya he dead Bro
really ran into a domain tf think he gonna do when JOGOAT pulls TCOTIM
his toast literally and if it's IA toji he dead too bro really was carrying a curse with ce the moment jogo notices that which will be quick it's over he pulls up TCOTIM thar stupid cs is in jogos domain and all of toji weapons are in jogo hands and it's over also jogo whoops adult geto
Two fathers who saved the lives of their sons
Sukuna at 15 fingers destroyed half a city to destroy mahoraga. Toji gets wrecked
no he did that just to make itadori suffer he didnt have to be extra by destroying the city
@@princecheck11he didn’t technically have to be extra but that attack power would’ve still been in the domain whether he decided to close it or even just greatly reduce the range.
@@Insidious-K true but he probably didnt even need domain expansion but idk lol
No logic here, but these guys are giving tons of sources to prove why toji would win
I disagree about Mahoraga not being able to adapt too physical speed and strength. Mahoraga is able to react to one of Sukunas slashes when he couldn’t before. We also see him show better relativity to gojo as the fight goes on despite gojo hitting black flashes and amplifying himself
Mahoraga adapted to sukuna when seeing that rct was ineffective, switching to CE. An adaptation that has nothing to do with sukunas actions or techniques, ocurred just because the wheel adapted to be more effective against the target
Yea idk where they got that Mahoraga can't adapt to blunt force/physical attacks. He adapts to ALL PHENOMENON. The only thing that's questionable is how long exactly will it take for Mahoraga to adapt to said physical attacks.
Fr, and in the anime we see him change his size and shape to be able to attack with trains and water. Its ridicously busted @@fernandoreimpell2818
Actually judging by what we know from the manga, Mahoraga so far has only shown adaptability towards cursed techniques, we don't know if that's the only thing it can do because we never saw Mahoraga adapting to anything else other than a technique
@@bolt2134 again, what about mahoraga outputing CE instead of RCT against sukuna. That is an adaptation completly unrelated to a ct. Plus any phenomena, MEANS, any phenomena. Do you really think if it was only to phenomena that comes from a ct, Gege, wouldnt have stated it somewhere? That seems too much of a big piece of information to let it slide, especially since the shikigami is already dead
Toji is literally put up against eveyone. Maho, Jogoat who stomps, nd even Yuta. He's taken over the world in popularity and is still broke
I wouldnt say hes taken over the world lmao
Gojo fanboys still mad at toji, he 7/10s jogo
Even though this is the last time we've seen him
Maki who is equal to toji fought a 2v1 against a nerfed 15f Sukuna and still couldn't do shit to him while mahoraga fought a perfectly fine 15f sukuna in a 1v1 and actually managed to throw him through multiple buildings tanked countless cleaves and dismantles and survived sukuna's domain expansion tanked blackflashes from gojo this should not even be a debate mahoraga slams
The idea of Toji even putting up a fight is laughable💀
Facts. Too much caps not enough heads.
Why?
prime toji with all his tools would dogwalk him bruh
yall just blatantly dont pay attention
@@j_official4138sure, and while we at it he also dog walks, kashimo, kenjaku, yuki, yoruzo and yuta. Stop the cap and get real, toji is strong and cool, but there are a loot a characters in verse who would absolutly destroy him and mahoraga is one of them
I feel like many don't scale Toji proper, because of Toji's careful scheming, info gathering and versatile curse tools, he fights more like Batman.
Am i tripping or did gojo not state before that in the past mahoraga murked the gojo clan head with six eyes and limitless and toji got violated by one of these blue eyed people. In my opinion toji aint winning nothing he is not one the level of sukuna who needed to pull a whole new technique out after expanding his domain on mahoraga and nuking him while he was healing and phyiscal attacks against the shikigami doing little to no damage to it.
The way they described how mahoraga would lose to toji is that he would be completely helpless and just sit there like dagon who he is way way way way more superior to as he dies. Even if sukuna was caught off guard it still is a feat that he sent sukuna flying through a couple of large buildings.
Exactly, if pure physical force was so effective, sukuna would've focused on that.
@@kuzo4xikr. Like are they saying that sukuna can’t output the same amount of force as Toji? Cause sukuna should be able to but he didn’t even think physical force alone would be enough cause the thing can just regenerate endlessly. Toji doesn’t have an attack that can one shot it b4 it adapts.
@@edmund1737 Exactly bro, these guys just wanted to push toji agenda.
@@kuzo4x To pigie back of this. It's getting corny when bringing up Meguna15f vs Maki and then saying his physical output wasn't nerf. Yet the same 15f Meguna blitz Ryu and Yorozu, but these fights never get brought up bc it contradicts the output nerf.
it's also weird to not mention that the nerf is at its highest when meguna is harming megumi's friends...which Ryu isn't.@@Bft149
I dont think just cause they aren't sorcerers they aren't aware how strong heavenly restriction users are. They understood how strong maki was just didn't put her up in ranks
Yeah it was clear that the Zenin family interfered with her promotions lol
They had her at Grade 4 when she was more like Semi-Grade 1.
Well it is a very rare condition and nobody has ever had COMPLETE HR like Toji has. He was anomaly. Most HR users are like pre-awakened Maki who are strong but not absolute monsters like Toni was with complete HR.
there's NO way you guys think toji is not getting one shotted by mahoraga, mahoraga speed and ap are simply leagues above toji, and even if toji use soul splitting katana or inverted spear of heaven, it is LITERALLY stated that mahoraga can adapt to ANY phenomena, even if it is a cursed technique nulifier or a soul attack, if it exists, mahoraga can adapt to it + it is stated multiple times that using cursed energy you can protect your soul, and tbh, toji DOES NOT have the feats to be equal to mahoraga in any stat, 15 finger sukuna is sweeping the floor with toji's face, and mohoraga is winning this low-mid diff, the toji's glizzing is hard bruh
edit: oh and yea, also the adaptating of mahoraga is not stated anywhere to be mahoraga's cursed technique, it is simply an ability, it is a thing he can do and that's it, and also, shikigamis are not made of cursed energy, because if that was the case, the round deer would simply implode itself, seen that it can use reversed cursed energy, agito would also kill himself using reversed cursed energy to heal himself
I'm not saying Toji wins but, inverted spear of heaven likely works to stops the wheel from turning to begin with. Like domain amplification while using the ten shadows technique.
Toji fans when they're in a overrating character's strength competition: Nah, I'd win
Saying its a 1 shot is crazy considering Yuta was confident he could beat Mahoraga and Nue, and Maki should be at least comparable to Yuta
@@akashi6237 hell nah man, wth, maki is nowhere close to yuta, actually yuta would mid diff at worst toji, just remember bro, teen gojo that has just awakened his reversed cursed technique no diffed toji, he literally one shot him, mahoraga was keeping up with sukuna and gojo, and even tho he had to be protected, he was far stronger than agito and even gojo said that agito was the only one that was not keeping up, and yuta never said he could take mahoraga and agito down, he said he would be effective against them, he would try to keep them busy while gojo and sukuna 1v1ed, not to say that mahoraga would simply one shot rika and yuta has no ap feat with aoe enough to one shot him basically maki < toji < teenager awakened gojo < yuta < mahoraga < "current" gojo
You're comparing Toji to Sukuna's use of Mahoraga, which, they never specify which version they are using but if you take that then you have to admit at least Megumi's Mahoraga may at least have more trouble. There are also very few ap feats for Megumi Mahoraga outside of his hard counter to cursed spirits which Toji obviously doesn't have to worry about. Also the fact that Sukuna's Mahoraga can't adapt while Sukuna is using domain amplification shows that it is a curse technique to some degree, as we have seen Sukuna do way more advanced things than Megumi did, and it didn't just like adapt to the domain amplification or something. While he may not be comprised of cursed energy like a cursed spirit, he clearly uses cursed energy to some capacity, Sukuna states as much. So if you take this Toji has better speed, hard counter tools that can potentially oneshot it, likely at least a decent knowledge of it, and the durability feats to not die. If you think Sukuna's Mahoraga would win, cool whatever, but the arguments presented in the video are valid for the Mahoraga seen in Shibuya given these points and the ones you present do not invalidate that.
Mahoraga folds toji and maki at the same time (current)
Fuck no 😂
@@kotasake maho instantly adapted to water upon making contact with it so he's able to adapts to fisical phenomenons.
they land one attack on mahoraga and then mahoraga adapts becoming resistant to blunt force and slashes; learns to hurt, protect and heal the soul; learns to fly in order to not get hit; coats it's attacks on CE instead of positive energy; learns martial arts and fucks them up at the same time.
The only reason kenjaku considered maki a threat is because she doesn’t have curse energy so he doesn’t know where she is and he could attack him by surprise which could be fatal because of her strength
He gets absolutely demolished. Hurting Gojo>Tojis ap. Does Mahoraga even have a soul? How does Toji deal with spatial slash? He tanked 2 Gojo black flashes. A Gojo much stronger than the one that was still considered stronger than Yuta thought Mahoraga belonged in that fight. And this Yuta had 1 month of training with a bunch of special grades, this isn’t the one that was around in Sendai. This is not a close fight, and this video was just downplaying a weaker Mahoragas feats while wanking every possible Toji statement to way higher than what it is
Everything has a soul.
Its stated even objects have souls
if imbued with a soul yes 🤣🤣@@khulmach9662
I honestly don't think kenjaku's statement is saying maki can run a 1v1 with him but more so because kenjaku can't sense her so she could get close without his knowing or leave shinjuku without his knowing despite the precautions he set up due to her heavenly restriction. In a similar way he mentions ui ui due to his spatial manipulation because that can also bypass his precautions. So I don't think the implication is that she can actually give him a high diff fight but more so that he has to watch out for her specifically due to that.
Yeah, the danger of her is that she'll pull a Toji and show up behind Kenjaku one day to plunge a sword in his chest without warning. In a tournament-style fight he has a much better chance, but if we're following street rules then he's at a severe disadvantage due to her stealth.
Wasn't Mahoraga getting bigger him adapting to Sukuna's physical stats?
It looked like it could change its size. Literally grabbed a train
That was anime only
@@aplahet3867literally in the manga too what are you talking about lol
@@basilisk-thought-robot when
No. Anime only.
And Yorozu demolishes Toji, idk what that was about
Bruh Toji was struggling with a pre awakened Gojo. Mahoraga killed both a 6 eyes user and a ten shadows user at the same time.
So u gone just throw your own interpretation on mahoraga statement ? lmfaooo
@@princecheck11 but that's what happened??
@@kristhedank3055 it was never stated maho killed both users at the same time
Bruh toji didn’t struggle let’s relax 😂
@@little_error295yeah he didn't struggle because he got destroyed
1:29 That's not quite how that works. The reason you get a boost after you've revealed your technique is because the targets subconscious begins to work with your technique. Because Sukuna was not there for the technique reveal and also didn't have prior knowledge of the complexity of the 10Shadows technique. Therefore the Mahoraga that fought Sukuna wouldn't have any boosts.
I always thought it was because you get hella anxious because they know your technique, so your cursed energy output/levels or something goes up. It’s a binding vow with yourself, not others, isn’t it?
isnt it a binding vow made with oneself?
@@AnimeIntern the statement is in reference to the techniques regulations which makes them more bound by the ability
An example of Toudo telling hanami about his CT’s trigger is a clap, and when he claps and doesn’t activate his CT, Hanami is caught off guard
I feel like @Leo105presents is right though. Just an example, Choso’s brother, idk which one it was, poisoned Nobara with its CT. He then revealed his technique so as to make it more effective because now Nobara is thinking about poison spreading through her body. I mean he and I could be wrong but I thought that was the whole purpose of revealing one’s hand. To turn the Shonen battle trope on its head by actually making it a useful battle strategy. Sukuna even said to Jogo that he “won’t do something petty like reveal his technique” when he opened the black box. Because that would’ve made his fire CT stronger. It could also be that by revealing how your cursed technique works, you exchange the secret of your technique for a more powerful version of it to manifest
@@AnimeIntern do you have a source for that?
Mahoraga is a tier above anyone not named Gojo or Sukuna imo, would take him to beat virtually anyone else in the series
Something I like about JJK and something it does WAAAAY better than other Shounen is the fact that characters who aren't part of the main cast are still very strong or atleast seem capable in the grand schemes of things. And the overpowered characters like Sukuna or Gojo actually act like most of them would in real life (arrogant, enjoying fighting , not caring about the 'weak). They are the strongest, everyone knows that so you don't have to 'sacrafice' or downplay Badass fan favourites to show it. Yeah, Toji got low diffed by Gojo which was absolutely logical as he was the pinnicle of strength at the time, but Toji cought him off guard and brought him to the brink of death before that (yeah he was far weaker, still). And not forget that it was exactly THIS encounter which led to Gojo becoming the strongest and Geto deciding to end all non sorcerers. Both, while again still weaker than later on, were already special grade. And Toji destroyed them both tactically (Gojo) or was simply stronger (Geto). And as we later learned in an SBS and by his own words, what we saw in the hidden inventory arc wasn't even his prime. The most we saw of what Prime Toji would've been like was during his fight against Dagon. When he litterly bullied a disaster course in his own domain. With all the feats I listed, Toji is still far weaker than Gojo, Sukuna etc. but still holds his own. Another exmaple would be Nanami who held the record of the most consecutive black flashes before Gojo broke it. Little things like that really makes me appreciate JJK. Nowadays, Nanami wouldn't be able to compete with the top dogs so I think it was the right decision to finish him off at the time and giving him a right send off. But he still 'feels' like a capable and strong character. You can continue this list further but the main point is just, that JJK really seem to respect its minor characters.
TLDR side characters are done right in jjk
Geto wasnt special grade when toji beat him but ye to the rest
Literally every Shonen has people being strong outside the main cast what are you talking about as well as have op characters that are arrogant, this isnt somethung thats unique to jjk, lol
I am pretty sure the minor characters got violated off screen like todo disappearing along with nobara
@@hyjjjkyikk3158 but Todo didn't die after the Mahito fight right?
Current feats in anime maho stomps and it isn’t close 😢
Bro currently in anime Maho has seen his face only where are you getting the info. Idk Who would win though.
Kinda hard diff for toji if he can bypass adaptation.
@@oneeyed9579ep 17.
@@oneeyed9579 Id say the anime upscaled both Toji and Maho by showing more capabilities, especially for Toji since this is the last time he fights. But my god, did Maho make much more sense as to why he killed six eyes in the past during this ep.
Yuki would beat the brakes out of maki and toji in my opinion
Obviously. 😂Like why is this a debate?
@@edmund1737 I have no idea why they say Yuki under kenjaku like toji could beat either of them
toji/maki > yuki
@@ITACHI-ib6cu yea pretty sure those two can’t survive a fucking black hole.
Yuki>>teen gojo>toji
@ITACHI-ib6cu simple math states that a punch weighing 3000 pounds going Mach one slamming into something would destroy it, toji got blasted against concrete and got injured, how is his head not blowing up if Yuki punches him? She also has a domain, this is a slaughter.
I feel like literally everyone is just riding toji at this point like bruh he is so overrated people are just going off multiple layers worth of headcannon and assumptions. Mf was getting the hands from a freaking bunny and yall think hes getting past jogo much less mahoraga?
Toji just that strong and you would not understand.
@@ninjanarutonightmanaverage toji fanboy😂
It's the cherry-picking that annoys me about it. Like when people use Maki feats to say Toji can do the same but better. I know the manga said both Maki and Toji are equal but I just see as Maki feats being hers and Tojis being his.
@@Bft149 They are both the same. What Maki can do is what Toji can do as well, probably even better since he got more experience.
toji no diffs jogo lol
Mahoraga adapts to gojos speed as he’s seen getting clearly blitzed in the beginning to keeping up easily to the narrator implying gojo only beat him to blue because his adaptation backfired. The more you pay attention you more obvious it is.
Also, speed is definitely a Phenomenon
Mahoraga never adapted to Gojo's speed.
Mahoraga jumped towards the blue first, before Gojo.
Gojo got to blue first because he is being pulled despite Mahoraga's head start.
Gojo shouldve been able to blitz Maho to the blue beforehand@@khulmach9662
any phenomenon @@khulmach9662
He never adapted to speed
I hope they clear up that mahoraga doesn’t scale to 15 finger sukuna cause seeing people say that is wild to me
Mahoraga defnetly at least adapt 10-9 fingers Sukuna,though he is above Jogo 100% but that my speculation
@@adrijanasani5899 sukuna flat out says if he fought mahoraga at 3 fingers and without a heart he could lose which means he thinks it could go either way so I don’t think it’s 8-9 finger level
@@Tkyoking I get ot but reason why i think is cause of Jogo (Though im but suspicious of it) was 8 Sukunas fingers in power (State from Kenjaku) and Jogo was smoked badly.Thats why i think though.
@@Tkyokingbelow 10 fingers sukuna is over against mahogara his resistance and adapt.. is incredible as show in the last episode
@@akzuuzumaki780 Yea,like fight didn't even last long yet Mahoraga was adapting at insane speed 💀 Sukuna know he need finish job
Saying toji wins 10/10 is just crazy like you both are watching a different show. Toji is not tagging sukuna and he's barely if he even is faster than mahoraga. Mahorago was tossing cars like bullets they literally destroyed an entire city.
Funny how everyone already assume the upper limits of toji power when he got stomped by teenage Gojo.
Literally. He got stomped by a gojo that 15fingers sukuna would one body much more quickly than mahoraga.
@@edmund1737 exactly, didn't land a single hit on Teenage Gojo
@@elhood4060so ?? that was after he just awakened infinity & even then toji was not in the right state of mind since u wanna bring up that fight 😂😂 & Megumi even stated Toji is as fast as Sukuna when fighting him 😂
@@edmund1737He didnt get stomped tho he just simply loss to hollow purple a technique he never seen before
@@princecheck11 yeah that’s a stomp. He couldn’t even hit gojo.😂 That’s how bad it was. Even Toji felt uneasy. Bro knew he stood no chance.
Oh come on. Gojo said HAKARI and YUTA intervene vs sukuna only if he gets weaker than them. Not including maki . Also MAKI herself said they CANT BEAT KENNY by conventional means. Lets not act like she is anywhere close to kenny.
By conventional means because of hacks, if it was straight hands Maki stomps.
@@_YourFlyIsOpen because of kenny s techniques ? Like everyone but maki and yuji posses ? Ofc if we go straight hands maki stomps. If we go straight abilities kenny curb stomps. In an actual fight kenny mid diffs :)
Yall did NOT cook here.
Nigga mad😂
I almost let this video slide but then I remembered that mahoraga has tagged 15 finger sukuna (like mentioned in the video) but also tagged Gojo multiple times as well, meaning it was not a fluke.
Also, in a recent Six video i watched, im pretty sure he points out Gojo saying that Agito was the only one not able to keep up with the rest of them (them being Gojo, Sukuna, & Mahoraga) meaning Mahoraga could keep up and is relative to them.
I know these are two different mahoragas because one is amped by sukuna summoning it, but it seems like an extreme nerf to mahoraga to use the one with less feats
All jujutsu kaisen youtubers dropping moharaga videos today ☠️
None of Mahoraga’s techniques would affect Toji, so Mahoraga and Toji would just be throwing the ones with speed and strength alone. In that case i can’t see Toji beating a beast like Mahoraga in a fist fight.
Maho adapted to water tho so he would be more resistant to blunt force and slashes, we also know mahoraga learns thanks to it's adaptation so maho could adapt and start boxing toji.
another thing to mention is that in the fight between sukuna and gojo, mahoraga used dismantle, and spawned on his own so assuming this mahoraga is tamed, we would have to give him access to the 10 shadows, and we already saw in the anime how problematic were the bunnies and nue in the fight between toji and megumi.
The Toji glazing needs to stop.
People gotta hop off Toji's meat bruh. Get him past Jogo
Huh?
That’s light work
I low key think Jogo did better against a post-awakening Gojo than Toji did 😭
Easily whoops jogo
@@Maxjuliann yeah toji's just faster by a lot.
Just got Mahoroga vs Sukuna animated too, this is wild.
Anime mahoraga is a different beast, it is actually adaptating physically and turning into a kaiju,growing gills to breath underwater etc as the fight continued
GeGe akutami had direct interaction with the development of the anime, so anime and manga mahoraga are the same.
The art for the thumbnails are insane
love the thumbnail omg it’s amazing
How is there 3 views and 12 likes? Guess ur content is just that good
I don't think that Megumi revealed his hand in order to buff Mahoraga, he most likely did it to gather more cursed energy to summon him, since he was running low after opening his domain for quite some time and using a bunch of shikigami
Ay, Six is back, nice to see it.
I love your videos! The list of "Explaining Jujutsu Kaisen" really helped me understand the series more. Could you make a video explaining why Yuta still has Rika after the events of Jujutsu Kaisen Zero?
This is going to be like Megumi vs. Todo fight: Toji pulling tricks on him, but Mahoraga is simply too strong beats him without trying.
Mahoraga is winning IMO, like by a landslide
Aye my boy six 🤘
Aint no way Maho is only around 3 fingers no heart Sukuna level. Jogo was said to be at least 9 fingers strong and maho severely out preformed him. I haven't finished the vid but I'd have to point that out
Next vid: Toji vs sukuna and gojo (toji wins)
next next vid: toji vs goku (toji wins)
“Nah ur crazy” completely ignoring the entire 20min video layering and layering proof and scaling
When he got mahoraga coming from the bottom of the screen I thought he was bout to drop a fire ass edit🔥
Without a doubt of *the* videos of all time
please can six leave the jjk community and go back to saying that naruto shatters planets
Mahoraga can adapt to any and everything. We saw this as it adapted to water by getting gills so it can definitely adapt to pure force or whatever u guys were saying. It’s any and everything. Also ISOH won’t work since adaptation is not a cursed technique it’s an innate ability, like breathing it doesn’t have activation or anything it just happens
Bro I used to watch you as anime x and now I recently got into jjk and started to read the manga and I'm really enjoying your content! I tried to check it out before but I had only seen season one and didn't know what you were talking about so I didn't watch it then
1:30 Dayumm gege is so genius, he does add that extra buff as a reason for audience to understand the ability, wow great idea
Sukuna's father is so strong smh. The Toji wank has gotten ridiculous. We all know he's a beast. But him beating Mahoraga is crazy😂
3:03 That's disgusting downplay on six's part honestly I'm just going to assume that he hasn't watched the latest episode in the anime but either way sukuna saying that mahoraga may have beaten him means that even with his advanced knowledge of cursed energy and his entire bag of secret techniques plus domain expansion mahoraga would have just beat him up bear handed and killed him since he doesn't have anything that could kill mahoraga in one blow at 3 fingers. I have no idea how Six is under the impression that 3 finger sunkuna is in any way comparable to mahoraga physically.
Especially since we now know that Sukuna can amp his attacks with chants and from the anime he can create another in mouth meaning he can do two at once.
Manga > Anime for canon feats
Also, Sukuna making another mouth makes no sense because he is already controlling Yuji's body
Manga cannon>anime
there both cannon intill disproven not@@ofimportance5458
there both cannon intill disproven not@@khulmach9662
Is being a dead beat dad the secret to getting all the glaze?
Mahoraga is more or less Doomsday as in he can adapt to anything, but at the blink of an eye. Walked down malevolent shrine but we believe Toji’s blunt force can beat Doomsday on speed?
This man is the greatest toji glazer out there
i knew this video was going to be ass the moment y'all said mahoraga's physical was comparable to 3 fingers sukuna💀
It is, at least the one megumi summoned since Sukuna said that to himself in his head. Sukuna was playing around with him and got off guarded while taking no damage. Mahoraga has insane hax to compensate for the physicals. Btw Sukuna Mahoraga is way stronger than Megumi Mahoraga.
@@jaxwolf438"Sukuna mahoraga stronger than megumi's" thats just headcanon, we dont know if mahoraga is like the other shikigamis
@@Messi-er2df Not headcanon, Mahoraga is a shikigami specifically tied to the 10 shadows and each of them have their own techniques so he shouldn't be any different.
Sukuna is amping the shinigami to an insane degree shown with Nue and Agito so I have evidence and you don't.
Even though he has never been tamed before doesn't change how the 10S function.
It's your headcanon that mahoraga works differently.
Additionally the feats that Sukuna Mahoraga have are way better than Shibuya.
15F Sukuna was able to slice Mahoraga up fairly casually until he adapted and the Gojo vs Sukuna one tanked a fuckin blue black flash from Gojo.
@@jaxwolf438 Yes Nue is show to be bigger and stronger. I am waiting something about MAHORAGA being different when summoned by Sukuna. He looks the same and does the same thing at an equal power and rate. If Mahoraga was really stronger wouldnt he be somewhat different looking like Nue?
Saying Toji wins is so crazy. Even if he didn’t have anything to adapt to he would win because he’s that much physically stronger. Jogo is worth 7-8 fingers and he didn’t even lay a finger on Sukuna while Sukuna couldn’t just dodge Mahoraga which is a testament to his speed
This is something I really like about JJK, the stronger character doesn’t always win
crazy to think i watched you back when you did anime x what ifs and now ur doing anime vids with 100k subs. congrats
It might be head cannon or just wrong but when thinking ab inverted spear of heaven, would it just cause mahg to be released since him being summoned is megumi’s cursed technique? Like we’ve seen in the gojo v Toji fight that ISOH doesn’t need to hit the sorcerer to turn off the technique so I assumed it would just eat through mahg like it did infinity
Mahoraga decimates Toji
saying mahoraga ap is featless after this episode is insane 😂
After watching the most recent eps ion know cuhhh 😭 majoraga was doin some extra spicy shit against sukana
None of that shit worked
I feel after the latest episode that you need to make a series putting Mahoraga against the big hitters of the JJK Verse, that will be quite an interesting comparison
Since Mahoraga scales to 15F Sukuna in power and speed (I disagree with the statement that it isn't relative to Sukuna, even though it remains slightly weaker and slower; with Jogo, we very clearly saw him getting physically overpowered by Sukuna but there's not a moment during the fight against Mahoraga where we saw Sukuna overpowering it physically or demonstrating much superior speed feats, it's rather the contrary at some points even; all the feats Mahoraga displayed clearly can't be reduced solely to his adaptation), it would simply massacre Toji. Even with his strongest cursed tool (in terms of raw power), and even though the fight was a no-diff, Toji couldn't kill Dagon with simple strikes and actually had to pierce through his cursed energy core in order to exorcise him. Dagon was the weakest of the Disaster Curses, and 15F Sukuna was literally moping the floor with Jogo (potentially the strongest of the bunch, contending with ISBoDK Mahito). 15F Sukuna ultimately had to use his DE to take out Mahoraga. Toji would just get annihilated
Bro don’t let the anime fool you mahoraga is not no 15f level he’s cold but he’s not that cold maho is definitely above jogo though
@@little_error295 I didn't watch the episode. I'm not saying it's stronger than Sukuna, but that the power gap between the two isn't large enough to not make them relative in strength and speed. Adaptation alone doesn't explain the amount of power it opposed to Sukuna
@@mattb.7079 bro I’m the manga he barely did shit to sukuna outside of impressing him with adaptation I really don’t buy that there’s not a sizeable gap in strength
@@little_error295 the same can be said for Mahoraga: Sukuna never overpowered Mahoraga physically or inflicted it damage through pure physical strength. I'm not saying it's stronger than Sukuna but that their levels of strength are too close for them to inflict significant damage to each other. I would add that the one who was blocking and dodging was Sukuna, not Mahoraga (talking about direct blows, not cursed technique attacks)
@@mattb.7079 that’s because of regen no point boxing him mahoraga will just heal it toji win con is ISOH just despwaning him because he obviously can’t vaporise him like sukuna with black box/MS or gojo with purple physical strength is pointless against maho even if you are stronger than him with that being said I think toji loses more often than he wins but ISOH is a one shot and physically I do think he can keep up just not overpower him physically because even if he could it would be pointless
Toji Prime with his full arsenal and some prep could probably win.
If mahoraga wasn't one shoted by malevolent shrine he isn't going to be one shoted by the soul split katana, nor playful cloud.
By the way, those are toji's strongest weapons.
Also wtf is prep time changing here? In order for the fight to even start we need mahoraga to be summoned at the start, otherwise he would just despawn after killing the 10s user, and toji is NOT tiring out mahoraga.
@@JAYbePRINCE Malevolent Shrine probably could’ve one shotted Mahoraga had he not adapted to the cutting slashes already.
I don’t think Soul Split Katana is one shotting but it’s definitely going to deal damage that can’t be healed for awhile because you need to understand the soul and how it works for you to heal soul damage.
Inverted Spear of Heaven just might end the fight right then and there because that tool forces stop techniques and Mahoraga is definitely part of the 10 Shadows Technique so one hit from it should deactivate his ritual.
Playful Cloud is SEVERELY underrated bro Geto used that weapon to fight 2v1 vs a Raged Amped Yuta and Fully Manifested Rika and was holding his own
We also saw the damage and proficiency Toji can use it at when he fought Dagon like don’t get me wrong this weapon isn’t destroying Mahoraga but you’d be dumb to think this weapon isn’t all that.
@@KANA_VR_ by definition the 10 shadows allow for the manipulation and summoning of 10 Shinigami through the use of shadows, the 10 shadows allow summoning and manipulating mahoraga, so in order to de-spawn mahoraga one would need to hit him in the process of summoning, otherwise hitting him would cause the summoner to lose control over mahoraga.
It has not been even implied that shikigami have souls, so the soul split katana could have no effect on mahoraga.
The playful cloud is simply a weapon that multiplies your damage disproportionately, so any feat from getto using playful cloud in order to hold his own against true Rika and Yuta is a feat from getto and not from playful cloud.
@@KANA_VR_ also mahoraga having adapted to slashes in general or dismantle is a question sukuna considered in the manga, while he could have adapted to both, the way sukuna presents this question makes it seem like it only has adapted to one, this means that there's a 50/50 chances of mahoraga having adapted to slashes in general, or a feat to his resistance because of surviving malevolent shrine.
Why is there like FIVE different Mahoraja videos that dropped today
I’m pretty sure mahoraga adapts in stages with his wheel, first turn he become more resilient, more turns he gains more resilience and is able to counter, 8 turns he completely immune to the innate domain itself
Lots of Toji gobbling here.
- Reveal your technique buff would work on Barbie man, but not Sukuna since he did not hear it
- Megumi said that Tojis speed "Rivals" Sukunas. Rivals means roughly equal
- Yuta has likely gotten stronger since his post Shibuya self. likely magnitudes stronger. So him wanting to jump in and fight Mahoraga does not have any implications
- if Mahoraga can deliver a blow that sends Sukuna a considerable distance and another that would one shot him, that means he has greater output than anything Toji has shown.
Your logic with the megumi statements makes no sense because of 2 reasons
1. It has been debated a shit ton and most people agree Toji beats Jogo, who was evaluated at 8-9 fingers
2. Maki was keeping up with a 15 finger megumi sukuna in the manga, and she was only using soul splitter. This is relevant bc in case you are anime only maki and toji are stated to be equal once maki awakens. So he is relative to 15 finger sukuna just like mahoraga.
nothing you said negates my points. Toji would beat Jogo, but doesn't mean that there is a huge gap in speed.
My overall point is that the people in the video gave Toji very generous interpretations of his strength while doing the opposite for Mahoraga.
A couple interpretations you could take.
- physically, Yuji is way stronger and faster than Megumi. Therefore Yujikuna is more adept at physical combat then Meguna
- Meguna in his inception had limited CE output due to Megumi. Limiting his ability to maximize his CE reinforcement.
CE reinforcement adds durability, and strength and arguably speed, see Yuta
@@MCWon212 Why is strength a factor here? They said he would win off the soul splitter + isoh combo, which negates all durability making strength a pointless argument for this fight. My point was that Toji is close if not equal to Mahoraga in speed, and has more potential for damage than Mahoraga does with all his cursed tools due to the nature of his cursed tools. Hence why he would win.
@@MCWon212CE reinforcement and output are two different things it’s literally in the name. You do know the definition of output right
@@_lazarus_7378 the same maki that couldnt do shit with yuji vs below 10% of power sukuna 😭
I dont think Toji is necessarily faster than Naobito because he wins in a fight. Naobitos speed isn’t really speed because he has to plan all of his movements, being relative enough to surprise him he would have to freeze, more than enough time too one shot him if you’re Toji
If Mahoraga is equal to 3 finger Sukuna, that implies Mahoraga is half as strong or less than Jogo.
The song u are playing in the background is for dying light 1 brings back soo many memories 😭
Thing is in both cases mahoraga had more important things to adapt to before the base speed and strength difference
And Toji has a ton of Tools that have CT implanted into them that he would have to adapt to. Your point? 🤨
@@thealmightypuht.a.p. he could just adapt to cutting, stabbing, slicing etc attacks in general sukuna used dismantle once and the next time he used it mahoraga had adapted to slashing attacks in general
Im quite firm that tojis isoh is a technique of the blade. Therefore mahoraga would adapt to it. Cuz no where did it say the adaptation was a technique its more like something mahoraga inherintly does. Mahoraga also had the strength and speed to attack sukuna and to send sukuna flying. Not saying he scales to sukuna but thhat feet alone would make him physically capable of beating toji without isoh and soul splitter which logically are techniques imbued into the blade that mahoraga can adapt. You also gotta realize that mahoraga just straight up tanked a black flash from a full energy gojo. Black flash is not a technique either so that black flash is just one of the strongest attacks in the series. Overall mahoraga wins in my opinion but let me know if u think otherwise.
Fr I think people get some things wrong about isoh because if mahoraga would get hit we're assuming mahoraga had its own cursed technique and domain etc, when it's really just an extension of 10 shadows overall abilities I feel like isoh would work but only if it hit megumi and nullified his use of his shadows
@@chromtastic2092 it would likely work like using domain amplification, meaning he simply cannot adapt
@@Chrisdishhis adaptation it’s not a curse technique and even if it was he could just adapt to that sword’s effect
@@Chrisdish mahoragas adaption isn't a curse technique it's something that's already a part of it and just an extension of 10s just like gojos six eyes and those weren't affected when toji used isoh on him
Also if we wanna get technical here mahoraga could technically adapt to tojis playful cloud as it does amplify strength and i could even stretch it further to say it can adapt to tojis strength and match it as it can adapt to “all” phenomena. Thats a stretch though and considering he was able to keep up with sukuna speed wise and tank gojos de hes beating toji either way.
Hot take aside, this channel's thumbnail is top-notch
Yall cooked w this one
Toji simply doesn’t have the ap to take him out. Even with full inventory, it would be a battle of attrition, in maho’s favor.
What if he just blitzes mahoraga. Cut his body all over really fast
@@HyperMODX like I said, not enough ap. Characters like Sukuna and gojo are capable cuz they have enough powerful enough. All toji have is cursed tools, and none suggest they are capable for that task.
@@lilnewport4370 like this guy said he can block mahoragas cursed technique. And strength wise I don't think he would loose
@@HyperMODX strength wise, maho def has the edge. Speed goes to toji, but the spear would only temporarily block maho technique. You could argue the toji could impale the spear in maho and negate his ability. But as seen in the anime and manga, other than being a bit sadistic, maho is mindless. BUT in terms of combat, he’s pretty competent tho simple. He would more than likely realize the spear is negating his ability and rip it out just as fast a toji put it in.
@@lilnewport4370 nah not really. It wouldn't be as fast as toji puts it in. Against sukuna he didn't realize he was fighting against a curse in a human body. And it took him a bit to adapt to sukuna. Also he only used curse energy after a while. He isn't that fast on the battle ground as u say. Yea I guess strength wise he is stronger but toji can manage that since he is faster. He can quickly cut of the neck and them just like with Dagon with quick blows he can go down from neck to the hip or knees
Sukuna mahoraga > toji
Not even
I think after that last episode we should revisit this.
i feel like a good video would be what combination of sorcerers could do it. grab three 2 person teams and 1 3 person team. try not to use special grade. what group can beat mahoraga?
Therr is straight up not a single good or not disingenuous argument in the entire video. Straight up wrong opinion
He made a mistake on tojis speed comparison to 3 fi
nger sukuna without a heart.
He never said toji could be faster, he said his speed rivals 3 finger sukuna without a heart agien this statement isn't as concrete as mahoragas statement but still has its own merits.
Mahoraga on the other hand was stated by sukuna himself that at his 3 finger state without a heart he could have lost to mahoraga.
Though it may not scale his speed to 3 finger sukuna it should probably scale him at the minimum atleest 3 finger sukuna overall.
And also the downcaling mahoraga using yuta was so amazingly iffy that I'm not sure what I'm suppose to say about there, it was so iffy I expected them to find some sort of evidance to back it up at some point in the video like the other they did but they just never came back to it and treated it like some sort of substantial evidance they therefore used to back up the rest of their point agien without reinforcing it in the first place or even acknoladging how iffy it was
They just said fuck it and used the craziest headcanon of all time. The toji riders are pushing the agenda hard
They were scaling Yutas confidence as if it means Jack shit lmao.
I see toji beating the mahoraga that fought sukuna & remember when megami said he think hes even faster than sukuna that still is a toji who isnt going full speed, like aginst gojo , its cleary different but yeah and ijust came cross your video by chance and i have to say i like how you guys break down manga and anime 👍
Dying light ost of the background in the beginning?!WWWWWWWW RONIN ALSO PLAYS A GREAT ZOMBI GAME