Wildife Biologist Reviews Neil Waters Thylacine Photo Evidence Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2021
- Extinct or Alive host, Forrest Galante give his thoughts on the purported Thylacine photos released by Thylacine Awareness Group of Australia founder, Neil Waters.
Do the pictures show Thylacine? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
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Come on guys, that’s obviously Jeremy Wade waiting to pounce.
Love Jeremy wade!
I'm pretty sure it is actually a drop bear, or maybe a Bunyip.
LMFAO😂😂😂😂
Jeremy Wade and Forrest Galante should team up to find an extinct fish species
Fish on
Enjoy the content my dude. I wanted to go into a similar field but life didn't call me in that direction. This is a great substitute and I appreciate it! I hope you're doing well through everything and your content picks ups steam.
This would be a great album cover for the new band Night Kitten.
I remember watching the video where he released the photos and I remember him saying, “This is the one that I believe is a thylacine obviously there are different opinions”, and I was thinking, HOW CAN YOU SAY YOU FOUND ONE AND THEN ADMIT THAT IT IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION!!!!!
I instantly saw a house cat when I leaned in.
Damn, I got chills just thinking about a trail camera video of a Thylacine in 2021.
Adults have the toughest time to say "sorry I messed up". Even dogs say "I’m sorry" with body language and sounds.
Great content as always!
I watched the Neil documentary. One thing is for certain, to me: He has very clear confirmation bias. His desire, his want for them to exist and to be the one who proves it, makes his judgement "fruit of the poison tree."
It could be a Tiger Quoll.
Best suggestion of all. Too bad they didn't think of it in the video review
Nice way to cross examine the photographic evidence. Fully agreed that pictures are not of a Thyroxine. Have seen the video of the last living one several times on television and plenty still photographs of those unfortunate ones on television and next on social media sites. The photos in question are not of those lost ones.
how did that guy dare to say it's not ambiguous?
well, he did say there was some ambiguity of the two larger animals' identification...
@@davida.4933 some? the one that wasn't ambiguous acording to him we dont even know if we are looking at a front pic or a back pic, me included, in my case I see two ears and a forehead
Keep this content coming!!
we're working on it mate!
u guys hit the nail on the head at first i thought it was a thylo that last black and white image....so then i thought about what you said and i seen what u mean! but def the photo they should have used as the blockbuster!
This is so much better than the other cat photos ffs.
I grew up in Tasmania and would spend alot of time in the bush as a kid and I've always wanted to believe that the Thylacine still exists, but to be honest I've never meet a person who told me they have seen one that I believed, and I think this black and white photo actually might be a Quoll, the face and ears are the same shape and its low to the ground like one would be, i believe they are nocturnal animals too so I think that might be what we're looking at but it could be a cat too, lots of feral cats in Tassie. I would love to believe its a Thyla in these photos but I do think they are all extinct unfortunately, but who knows, lots of unexplored bush land in Tasmania and it makes for a great story!
I think the use of 1080 to poison feral dogs (crazy solution) would have sealed the fate of any potential survivors.
To show how much we try and interpret shapes as faces..look above (behind) the two glowing eyes and ears, about the hight of the little animals face again in distance, and you can "imagine' a face that is way more like a thylacine's face in the grass behind the little animal -for reference follow the brightest leaf/frond that enters the frame middle right of the photo and just past its tip.. there's the first "eye" then keep going on the same angle (past the spindly branch angling across and up) about the same distance as the width of the little animals with the bright eye's face, there, if you imagine it, is the second eye complete with thylacine-like eyelids and brows. I am not saying it's an actual thylacine but an example of the fact that if you want to see something in a photo you can.
So I took the pic that was presented prior to the black and white image, the one that was thought to be definitive proof. I then used photoshop to remove the crossed blades of grass, then followed the shadow lines to connect them. I then upped the contrast to further define the unretouched body. It is a pademelon imho. Wish I could upload the pic for ya.
I just came across your site today and have watched your commentary on Neil's photos. And agree with everything you say. I have met Neil once in a small town called Monbulk in Victoria, and was a very active member of the TOGOA group. I actually wanted to be part of his committee as he has people who are very good at what they do and I'm still friends with some of the members. I was eventually banned from his facebook page for my constructive criticism, being "too negative" because of my views on his trail camera locations, not being scientific, prints that could be dog, his wording of 'media' releases etc. In regards these images, if he had come out and said, " I THINK or BELIEVE we have found a family of Thylacines" there would have been no negative reaction. Neil could have even got more funding for TOGA. I'm currently in America and so got up in the middle of the night so excited to see them and to prove to the World that I wasn't mad in believing Thylas are around still. However, it was complete disappointment. I feel that he has brought ridicule on all those doing great work in this field (as if it isn't bad enough). This is now Neil's job, I wish I was able to have the time that Neil does, and the money to get 100's of Trail cameras out, it just reeked of desperation and I don't think in this instance it's a case of 'even bad publicity is good publicity". I do hope that you don't give up on Thylacines. I've had a really crappy sighting of one (could have been a fox) but had an amazing experience with 2x joey Thylacoleos, yes Thylacoleos!!! I'm slowly banking up evidence of these animals and occasionally post snippets on my facebook page (facebook.com/ThylacoleoConservationGroup/), prints and ambiguous images (I'm not Australian so always ask what the animal is). People definitely don't think Thyacoleos are still around. Again don't be too harsh on him, he maybe just sees what he wants to see sometimes. Oh in regards the conspiracy, I don't think the time lines add up (it was too short to get all that done), I went through the images (researched the cameras etc as I thought the time stamps were very dodgy) but honestly can't find anything untoward in them. These were the photos, sadly. Keep up the good work, cheers Christian
thanks christian! we agree! no harm is searching. just need to be accountable for your claims. neil hasn't quite figured that out yet.
I believe the drop bear myth is from thylacoleo. And I recall you being in the group mate. Neil don't set them to video because he has too many to check and couldn't do it all. He is a good guy as Christian says.
@@WildTimesPod and you should come and speak to Neil, Forest. And ask to speak to Andrew orchard.
Gotta stay up to date with this thylocine stuff! Any new stuff that comes out. Get straight on it 🤣🤙🏻
If I’m Neil, I’m deleting my Facebook.
Ps, been a huge fan for years Forrest.
his heart's in the right place
I can’t believe you guys even considered the night shot as maybe. Straight away I see anything but thylacine I would say cat or paddy looking at the clear pic of the paddy which it’s ears were facing forward 👍✌️
I watched his video and he was super stoked. I was gutted to see a cat. My trail cam takes better pics than his.
"it has thylacine like qualities to it"
... it has marsupial / aussie mammal features to it. it looks like a possum
Same house cat that is in the juvenile “thylacine” photo. Just at night.
Yes. That's a kitty cat for sure. There are a lot of feral cats in Australia.
You just gotta think that there is most probably more photos of this animal caught on the camera trap, and wonder why they didn't release all of them. Because the other ones are more definitive of what it actually is and it's not a thylacine. These people are just desperate to be heard because they're obsessed. The Thylacine is extinct people. Tasmania is not that big, they were executed for killing live stock. You can guarantee if they were still around farmers would be the first people to confirm they are still here.
obsessed is correct
They were accused of killing livestock when it was actually wild dogs.
“You can’t just be putting meet trees up everywhere”
False. Meet trees have the opportunity to solve all conservation problems
I thought Thylacine were extinct, until I saw the 1973 Doyle's footage. I know Flinders Ranges is quite remote as well.
Yeah must admit, he's saying veterinarians are backing him up on this, and I don't know any vets that would stake their reputation on calling any of those definitely a Thyla. The photos are just far too poor in quality and resolution and TBH looking at them I'd be going for cats and pademelons (and possibly a quoll for the night shot?) as my best guess personally (but it is a guess as the photos simply aren't good enough to be sure.) I really hope there are some out there and it's one less species humans are responsible for wiping off the face of the earth, but these photos haven't changed my mind that they're extinct by a long way.
Anyone know what the poison is they wanted banned if they had proof? Is it 1080?
Correct 1080
Love you guys and the podcast 👌
all i want is a trail cam or for a picture for proof to not have 20p quality why
Couldn't the baby animal be a really blurry eastern quoll photo with grass shadows?
I agree, that looks felid to me too rather than macropod.
While I agree that the picture is more than likely a house cat or feral cat, I did notice that the markings (or what look like markings to me) on the forehead look incredibly similar to the markings on the thylacine picture. But I wholeheartedly agree the snout is much shorter, it was just an interesting detail to me.
Feral cats are fairly common...even have been see in remote western areas.
In the first part the “baby picture” also has markings like a tabby I think it’s just that nature likes stripes which is kinda cool
It’s definitely a cat. More than likely a feral as they are a big problem in Australia and Tasmania.
Is there any possibility this could be a dasyurus? This night time photo looks like a native cat or maybe even a possum
Tasmanian Devil Wallaby Wombat Cat not a Thylacine that died in the Hobart Zoo on September 7 1936 from exposure the last Thylacine known to be alive.
Neil has 60 cameras deployed, the cameras were sponsored by individuals. They are not high end cameras.
Oh a Pt 2. Let me put the kettle on first!
As soon as I saw the image I said , that's a cat , I know, I have cats LOL
100% cat
Btw, just found you, new sub.
I'm late to this - kind of revisit certain subjects like Thylacines from time to time. First of all, I also just discovered this channel. I've been watching and listening for about 4 hours so far. Now, I stopped paying attention to that Waters guy after just a couple of his older videos. He's at about the same level of people in England who show a moving, clear video of an obvious house cat and swear it was huge and some sort of black leopard. Most of these pics are far away from being a Thylacine and one that "might" be is clearly a cat or maybe a paddy. Night photos are hard depending on the angle of the animal. Still. Come on. Certain things I really wish and hope are still around and this animal is one of those that has a real chance of still being around. I always get my hopes up a bit when I hear of a new bit of evidence. It just bothers me when people who supposedly have some sort of expertise can't immediately see what something isn't. Someone who knows nothing about nature, and there's lots of them, sure. Oh well. Sorry for the long post.
I hope he or his associates eventually find compelling evidence of a live Thylacine.
I see a snout. Am I alone?
Nope I see it too! Nose and mouth slightly extended from the face (think like panther-length snout). Bottom jaw is just below that horizontal blade of grass/greenery. I’m going to accredit it to my red-green colourblindness 😂 (I tend to have better focus on b&w images)
Agree with you guys 100%. Watched his video and the picture at the end I'm thinking what is that. Major disappointment.
Bang on you guys,definite proof means a full detailed picture or video clip , disappointed to say the least
In the first picture just above where the eyes are shining I swear I can see the face of a thylacine I don’t know if I am seeing things but I swear that it looks just like a thylacine
If this was on Madagascar, I'd call it a Fossa.
Thylacine would associate anything to do with humans to be dangerous so they would be very apprehensive of even the slightest scent that could indicate a human was in the area or nearby. If humans were being hunted to extinction and a few scant remnants of human were holding on they would avoid their hunters at all cost. I think that if you want to see if the Thylacine is still out there, go remote, and be as imperceptible as possible and maybe then one might cross your path.
Why has part 1 disappeared?
Yeah after the fuss he made, I'm wondering if he is losing his perspective a bit, I think they could still exist in Tassie not so sure about the mainland although it is a very big country
Good examination but unfortunate conclusion
To a me (no expert, like not even close) I agree with you guys. The "adults" look like pademelons and the "joey" looks like a cat. Damn this got me excited though! Hopefully definitive proof of the continued existence of thylacines will come out soon.
Doesn't the snout seem a little long for a cat though?
edit: The human brain does like to alter reality to fit into what it wants.
Just the right fit for a devil?
Doesn’t thylacine have a more elongated snout??? Ive obviously never seen one but idk looks like a cat to me.
Yes a very long snout
Hey forest, how is the follow up going on the Zanzibar leopard? Has it been spotted or seen since you caught it on camera? We need a update!
we'll ask
It's snout isn't long enough to be a thylacine, in the trail cam photo..
Felt like we were all strung along for that week with the constant 'WE FOUND A THYLACINE! WE HAVE DEFINITIVE PROOF!' and then this came out and let us all down, very disappointing. I can see how he mistook this as a Thylacine but this isn't one of them.
I thought that was a tasmanian devil honestly
Me too
Fits. But look at the comments demanding it's a cat, which doesn't fit any more than Tassie tiger. But they seem convinced, which shows why so many reports are delusions.
And those who blindly demand belief delusional.
Different from the tiny minority of reports with some credibility that just might be the real thing.
I believe the thylacine is still out there for sure, but none of these photos even looked like thylacine to me :/
the dude was all like, look at those definitive stripes! and I was like, thylacine don't have vertical headstripes, this is literally a cat. There are 3 cats in the backyard that look just like that
can't wait until Forrest goes back to Australia and Papua New Guinea and does a real search tho
Do u guys think the thylacine is on the Australian mainland or just the island of Tasmania if it is still out there. Found your guys podcast and I really enjoy listening keep up the good work 👍
In my useless opinion, I'd be really surprised if it was found on the island. The island isn't very big and I believe it would of been discovered well before now if it was on there. The mainland seems way more likely imo.
If its going to get rediscovered its going to be in papa new guinea (its country of origin) because new guinea is the least explored and researched country in the world
@@ITFC45 it's pretty damn big even flying over it as I often do...
@@davida.4933 It isn't that big in the scheme of things. I just don't believe it's big enough for there not to be hard evidence (good pictures/videos) that it's alive.
@@ITFC45 Big enough to hide a few hundred thylacine, IMO and I've been flying Tassie for a decade.
Funny how Neil tells me my photos are no good but now claims his photos are the real deal when in fact his are more questionable than mine. Lol
I'm immediately saying, what about a tazzy devil?
The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
But right above it to the left is a black eyed creature staring right at the cat . It’s head or face not yet all the way out of the bush. 😬
This picture definitely looks closer than the other pictures do...but still not it i don't think.
Cat. Perhaps a feral cat.
These pics are disappointing given the amount of hype attached to them.
I think it's a cat, but I'm not a wildlife expert like Peter is.
To me it looks like just a cat of some sort… it doesn’t have a snout long enough, not even close to long enough for a tassie tiger or even pademelon…. But with that being said if it is a cat i dont think its a regular domestic house cat, it is too buff so to speak for a house cat, i reckon im looking down the lines of a feral car that has a long generation of being a feral cat that has gotten bigger, ive seen it before with feral cats being huge sometimes even mistaken for medium sized dogs and i reckon that is what we are looking at in all these pictures. The straight stiff tail doesn’t say anything to me because these photos are taken in a split second and a cats tail can sit like that especially when weaving around and ducking under brush. This is definitely a cat of some sort in my opinion
I take it these guys don’t know about the other picture in the day of a black and brown house cat.
Feral cat, huge problem here in Australia
That's like the B.F.R.O. always saying every blurry pic of a large dark blob is definitive proof that bigfoot exist.
I agree but I’m not gonna lie all of this is suspicious.
Why not feral cat? There's heaps of them in Tasmania.
Yes and btw, they are very successful in the wild even if highly inbred...I refer of course to the oft given rationale that thylacines can't be extant since they are very likely genetically homogeneous...
In my opinion it is almost certainly a Quoll.
Coming from Tasmania,that is an interesting photo to me, definitely not a wallaby and id say it isnt a cat either...
It's clearly a cat
To me distance between the eyes looks to big to be a normal cat.. only going off looking at my cat
The supposed thylacine cub to me looks like a boar of some sort I don't know if wild boar exist there.
"Covered in flies" at that point just leave the meat there
It think that last photo is a possum.
Let’s go
fastest hands in the west ^
@@WildTimesPod I’ve been practicing 😉
Basing it purely off of the pictures of a Tazzy Tiger and a Paddy and my knowledge of what a cat looks like, that looks like a Paddy. Right eye shape, the right size, right distance between them, generally right face shape. The snout would be rather obvious for a frontal perspective of a Thylacine, the eyes are too close to the centerline of the head, the eye shape and slant are both wrong and the face, in general, is too round.
I believe they are unfortunately gone. However, if one were to be found, I would be terrified. What if some jack ass tries to go hunt it down, its what they used to do anyways. People would rush to the area where spotted to try and see it and it could damage what ever population is left. It would be scary. Also however, if they were around, a dead one would of been found somewhere, unfortunately but that is reality.
There is a type of lizard called The Horny Toad which can be found in BC but hadn't been seen since like the 40's or 60 somewhere in between there I think it was and while living there I ended up actually finding around 13 I had pictures I had some crappie video because it was 2007 and no way to upload them on the Internet cuz of the cell phone I had also found a northern alligator lizard in Clearwater BC which they hadn't been seen since I think it said sometime in the 80s or 90s I can't remember but that's the problem nobody was looking for them I knew how to find the Horny Toad right away whatever had to do is find ants they eat around 1,000 ants a day find ant hills and wait amd with the alligator lizard it involved alot of flipping rocks and logs and even chased a few down that were on the trail
Yeah the second I saw the last photo I was like yeah I know that's a cat my cat has the same kind of colour same stripes down the back of its head and then seeing the next picture the first one on this video yeah that's clearly cat but my first reaction was that's the closest looking one to a thylacine except I swear I can see whiskers
I'm from the Texas Gulf Coast USA and we have about 20 cats around my house and that's a fcking cat sorry Neil better luck next time
Hi! Hope you read it. Blur the eyes out it looks thylacine with reflec on the eyes it pozision eyes in front and looks like a cat. About babi thalacyne it could be man it could be cause i see it looks toward the camera and i see an eye and i dont know it could be ...
So it has been a year. Should have the thylacine captured after scouting that area by now. Unless of course cats and pademolons can't fake a live capture.
I think it’s a cat and they have photos proving it’s a cat but Neil put out only the most ambiguous photos so he might get funding and support to keep looking.
Didn’t Neil have on film a family of Thylacines? A mom, a baby, and the dad?
These where supposed to be the photos LOOLL he’s such a joke
If dudes deleting comments then he’s def worried. Just wants to save face
You guys completely misviewed the “baby” picture last video. That was the back end of the animal with a clear footpad. You guys thought it was frontview. You mistook a tail for an ear. Check that photo again. All the photos are ambiguous but the “baby” is much clearer if you realize you are looking at the tail, not the ear.
I agree. I still think it's ambiguous, still think the stripes are shadows etc etc. But it's a back Pic and does not look like a pademelon
I’m with you there. People are loving the cat head theory but I simply would need to see more evidence of the rest of the body to believe that. A cat head can’t just float in space and it would have to be an absolute yoga master to contort enough otherwise around the log/shrubbery etc that we can’t so much as see a shoulder, tail, back, anything.
@@madison_7331 it’s a Cheshire Cat. Just the head😄. In all fairness it does look like a cat head at first glance but take a close look at the photo, the ground (which is in the other photos- it’s the same camera pointed to the same spot) and you realize you are looking at the backend of something not the head of a cat. I agree it’s not clear what the something is but it’s sure not a cat head. I was disappointed that the folks here didn’t take a close look but so quickly dismissed it. Though a closer look would not have revealed a tiger, just an interesting something
@@CrankyGrandma A Cheshire Cat, I love it! 😂 And I agree! An interesting something indeed. If anything I hope whatever it is, they can catch it in motion on video or even just some front view shots! They need to move the cameras around a bit haha.
It is the rear view of a small animal walking away from the camera. The foot pad from hock down clearly shows it’s not a cat. Could be a young Thylacine but not conclusive.
This ete shine photo could be a field mouse
Am I crazy or does the snout look too short?
And he is still carrying on, it's embarrassing.
If the cat hunter was around they be no more tylosine sittings sadly to say
That's a cat lol
Its a Cat... Feral cats are everywhere here in Australia.
Wild cats get big. Eye nose distance is a lot shorter in this pic. Definitely feline
Idk what a thilocine or whatever is but this is a mountain lion or panther or bobcat. It is NOR a domesticated cat no way.