Hard to Start E90 BMW? Cranking for long? Potential Fix (Fuel Pump Control Module Replacement)
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- Опубликовано: 21 янв 2017
- In this video I show you how to upgrade from a second generation EKPM2 fuel pump control module to an EKPM3 third generation module. This is a potential cause for extra long cranks during startup.
I do this on my 2008 BMW 335i but this would apply to any E90 and also other BMW models. You'll find your LPFP or low pressure fuel pump does not prime as expected when unlocking your car or opening your door.
The EKPM3 modules shipped from the factory on LCI (2009+) cars and a number of issues are addressed in this revision. I get inside and compare the two in this video.
I also show you how to remove your non folding rear seats.
Link to a thread showing how to setup INPA/NCS Expert:
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If you have Windows 10 64-Bit:
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These are great videos! So informative and I sincerely appreciate you posting them. Very helpful.
Thank you Vehicular DIY. I got it installed and coded. I also used the thermal compound on that base metal plate.
Did it fix the intermittent long crank problem?
Hey how is going ? ... quick question when reading the car information from ZCS/FA f. ECU it reads the vin number but doesn’t read the FA number instead I get an error code saying : the following feature is invalid for FA :#1209
When I try to enter fa manually it reads the vin and gives me options of numbers like $1CA and so on my question is can I type in the fa number my self? Or is there another option to find the fa number and then type it on NCS expert tool?
Hey Buddy, thx for this amazing and useful content. Specially the Software stuff like alpina etc. 👍👍👍
Thanks for you all you help videos I have a question is a constant volt to the fuel pump control ? I don't get any voltage to there my fuses is good and the relay any suggestions thanks again
I replaced ekpm3 with another ekmp3 and coded in ncsexper same as you did. All is good but in inpa in uif screen I see the donor’s vehicle Vin for new ekpm3. Old ekpm3 did not have the vin listed, just bunch of zeros. Should I bother changing the vin? And how to change it.
Great video and well narrated 10/10 will watch again when i change mine since it is starting to fail after installing walbro450 s2 pump
Mine is always overheating and failing too after S2 fuel pump install. My ekpm3 always overheats after 10 min and stalls. Did you find a permanent fix?
@@89StarKiller I'm in the same boat after upgrading to the 535 lpfp. Can drive aboutb20 mins or just let it run and it stalls and dies
@@Acekid187 where did you buy your 535 lpfp?
@@89StarKiller from precision raceworks
Thank you very much for this video...I have a bmw Diesel engine G11 2017 with same issue
Hi I'm wondering if you can help me out. Somtimes I have issues starting the car but my breaks are also rock hard. Typically only happens in the AM after the car is sitting overnight. Normally only on the first cold start. Any idea what it could be?
thanks for the video. I have an 09 135i N54(E82) i am replacing the ekps module w/pump and the battery. Would you recommend programming battery first and then the ekps? lastly since it is the same engine base can i select the same E89 option like you did?
Mine car is a E90 M3, It doesn't have any codes but it have exactly same problem as your car has, long crank after rest over night. should I get that module replaced as well?
I couldn't find my car chassis on NCS expert. my car is F02 740LI 2009 what is the similar module that can code it to the car on NCS? The module on the car is the same one that you replace it which is EKPM3
I just did this ekpm3 upgrade on my 07 E90 but I can't get NCS expert to work so that I can code it, after the upgrade when I start the car it only runs for about 2 seconds and then shuts off so I'm sure it's going to need to be coded. Can you help me with the right software?
Can i replace my e90 lci ekpm3 with f10 ekpm3?
If so what's the right procedure because when i tried to do that, the ekpm from the f10 does not appear on my cars system units so I'm not able to code it. It also runs the pump but when i turn off the car, pump won't restart until i pull out the key from the slot and insert it again then start the car.
Question. If this part completely dies, will it get to a point where your car will not start? I had the same intermittent issue of rough starts and now my car won’t start at all. I have a E87 N43 116i 2010
do i still have to code it even if fully modded and custom tune on full e85?
Any issues with the generic ones vs OEM? Huge price difference.
Where can I get this software please
Do you how to code it using protool that's what I use on my N54 ?
Hi man! I am going throughout the same process, my unit is a 'virgin' one, does the same steps apply? When I am trying to code it I am getting an error ifh-0009, do I need to program VIN into the module first with winkpf?
Question. Is the M series compatible? Would it be an upgrade to use? Like does the M version have a high pressure in the tank? Curious upgrade 🤔
I appreciate your video I have a 06 325xi E90 that has gave me a fit.Im like you I want to know how many miles I can get from this car.Im at 219000 now just redone a lot of things that have worn out but this problem has turned into a no start but I don't do dealers . Thanks 😊
Do i need to code it if i go from the second gen to 3rd or will it work
I have a f32 is the coding the same? Or do i have to use another program for the ekp coding
How come I cant see nxsexpert profiles that's on your video ?
Can I put this module on my 328i 2008 e90? Thank you
Great videos. I've watched quite a few and am subbed. I noticed you used a phrase and commented on the idea (as I think most of us do with cars) "Can I keep it on the road long enough and make it worth it?" This is something we usually start out thinking and trying to figure out but then when we get bored of the old car we give in and just buy that new "Other" car we've been wanting. But the facts are with these cars is it's always worth it to keep the 335i 340i, 135i, 240i, 235i, etc series cars as they are way cheaper to fix and run as well as give us all the big power we crave at a fraction of the cost of monthly payments or even an all out purchase of a new car. At say $1000.00 a moth or more for a new one it's way cheaper to keep the old one and they are so amazing at not rusting. Even in some of the salty areas of the world. We buy new ones for the fun of it and the excitement of the "New Car". LOL.
Hey bro. Great video. Just wondered... In the NCS expert which profile is closest chassis number to the E82 coupe Diesel? Would appreciate your help. Thank you.
can the ekp mod cause low fuel pressure i changed to a stage 2 walboro due to low psi around 50-35 my pressure is now sitting around 60-45 i seem to have good pressure on a cold start after 3-4 hours of sitting i have two 335is so i pulled the stock pump out of my other car and same issue any ideas? the fact that thje pressure gets higher the colder the car is draws me to the ekp my hpfp pressures are good 700 at idle 2500+ on a pull
Thanks for sharing man i know it was long time ago, but good video! :)
So where do I get the file to load once I move over to NCS expert
If i swap this part, do i have to code anything first? If so how?
if i buy a used one, do i have to still program it?
Hi, do you know if it applies to n52, I have the exact same problem as of today, it finally started after I keep my foot floored. No engine codes
Did you fix it? Im experiencing the same
Hello, my car doesn't have a long crank, but it does have a hard stumble exactly like at 4:26. Does anyone know what the solution is for that? After the first successful start, I don't have a problem unless left in the parking deck of my school for about 4 hours. My car is always at least at half of a tank of gas as well so it's not the lack of fuel. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!
Hey can you say who you buy this module?
My 530i e60 n52 engine slow starts only when engine is hot?? Cold starts are perfect whats going on
Did you disconnect the battery previous to remove the EKPM?
I thought that there is a check valve inside the HPFP that keeps fuel pressure in the rail and that's what is "primed"?
Did your lpfp psi change in the logs? I get 35 psi and 29dc at wot. I suspect is the module it only goes up to 9volts to the pump. Any thoughts ? Thanks
What caused the problem? cause im geting that 29dc code at wot
My car codes says is CC- ID 309 which says : (Fuel Pump Malfunction) any ideas ?
Where did you buy your from?
Hi, i did the same steps like you do, but NCS tells me that cant get any connection to the EKP. Do you maybe have any hint what i can do ?
Do you have a piggyback tune chip like jb4? If you do make sure you change it to map 0 before the ncs
I have issues as well 09 328i. I have a new fuel pump coming and a new module in hand. I have no idea how to program it. Is there free software? What software is there. No idea and low on funds with this beast. Can anyone help?
where can i download the software
hi mine say not massage 0xaa receiver ekp i alos open look bord its look ok..not start just crank code ced4 thanks
I would lean toward changing the module if you're getting that message.
I have an e92 n55 335i, went wot and car stalled. It sat for a while and eventually started up with 0 problems. Could it be this or my low pressure fuel pump? How can I test my ekp?
Do you have a way to data log your fuel pressure both low and high?
Please I need your help , my bmw 320d 2005, cranks but wouldn’t start, I can hear the sound of the pump , but can’t start the car , please you have any idea ?
Augustine Brobbey Mensah check to see if it’s the starter
So, I'm wondering what Software tool you're using to read your car and to code it! I want to DL that to my laptop and start looking at these codes. What do you recommend?
It's called INPA and you can get an easy to install version from a company called BimmerGeeks. They offer it as a free download.
Quick question I followed all your steps but I towards coding I get “Error in CABD” what could this mean?
Nvm found out I didn’t have 7-8 pin connected together
Was your ekpm3 new? I thought if you buy it used you don’t need to encode it
Hey I’m having the same exact issues but did it ever throw up DSC code? Or limp?? When I would turn it off and on again it would go away. Will start after 1-5 seconds of cranks and runs fine. Any ideas???
Also is a 08 n54
You mention a thread to load NCS Expert? I could not find it. Someone told me I needed Windows XP? Any Help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.
You can use Windows 10 or 7 as well.
www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1196830
great video. sorry im 5 years late... but im having issues getting my fuel pump module to communicate. tried to reprogram one bought off of fcpeuro with autel scanner and protools, no luck. could it be a faulty EKPM or maybe another issue? thanks in advanced
Hey, sorry for 1 month late. Try redoing your negative poles on the EKPM, they are easy to bend n crack
Thanks for the video!! I am a bit confused, wonder if you can help me understand. I have E90 (2006 325xi, N52), that has the long crank only after the car sits for a while. After starting, then it runs fine. I have no codes to tell me what is wrong. Which part is the culprit? thanks!
I would lean toward the fuel pressure regulator first. I have a video about that also, search for fuel pressure regulator on my channel.
Thanks! today we replaced the regulator and the pump, and the pressure in our fuel rail stays up even after we shut off the engine. Will have to wait until autumn/winter to see if this fixed the long cranks - ours was only long-cranking during colder weather and has not done it since the start of June. But we did bring the residual pressure back into spec.
Thanks for sharing this! Im having the same issue, have a 328i x drive ordered another module but its from a different model, says it should work fine...not sure if it has to be reprogrammed since its been used? I also don't know if I should just replace fuel pump not sure if its getting power....itsa been down for 2 weeks now..would crank and had a slow start 4 or 5 times and then wouldn't start at all, replaced battery.
did u have to reprogram it if it was used?
@@andrews7311 no did not have to reprogram it and it worked fine
whats up man , great videos , I have a 2007 x5 4.8i just like the one you have but im having a crank no start ..... could you tell me where this module is on the x5 im pretty sure its my issuse i just cant find it ,i changed all the relays and tested the pump . Theres no power to my pump ,thanks man hope to hear back soon . oh yeah also can i run the k+dcan on intel ???
Were you ever able to figure this out? I have a 2010 328i and having similar issue. Crank and no start relays are okay...I have been reading about the issues with fuel pumps and not sure if I should replace it or if its something else??
Where did you find it for 40$
hello everyone, i have a bmw e92 2011, and i experience long cranks only when the weather is hot and the car was parked for several hours, apart from that its start very good,anyone experience the same issue?
Is this for the N52 motor?
This is on an N54 but the process should be similar.
So its 3 years later, so can I do this on pro tools now like I can with the injectors? Having the same intermittent issue even after upgrading to stage 2 pump, running jb4. Thanks 😁
Did you ever get that done with pro tool?
@@etpr_jay3449 I also wanna know lol
So you have a long crank when the tank is empty but it starts normal when you have gas?
No the amount of gas remaining doesn't make a difference. The tank could be full and it would still long crank at times.
How would you program one for a 2012 528i I'm having a problem where it stalls out on the middle of traffic when I try to step on the gas and it does not do it all the time!!!!
Hi steph steph, did you get this problem sorted out? After going through the same issues mine turned out to be the crankshaft sensor. One fault code I got was to do with camshaft sensor so I replaced those as well.
@@asimkhan8620 yes replaced fuel pump amd ekps module never heard of that sensor causing the stalling.
Hi guys,
I have a bmw 320i e90 2006 model, the problem is engine cranks but not starting,
Fuel relay is good but when I switch the car no voltage come on the top of fuel pump.
Don't know what is wrong?
yes what is problm sir?
When I put the new fuel control mod in that code went away but a mixture code came up and I know that's because it wasn't programmed to my car yet
Yeah you would need to encode the module to your car.
My engine turn over but died. This happens after I pulled out fuel fuse to do oil prime.
Hi,
The link you posted explicitly states that INPA 5.0.6 does not support the EKPM3 fuel module. Are you using a different INPA version/has that been resolved/if I buy a used fuel control module for another e90 328I (my car) and plug-n-play, would I be good?
My328I e90 LCI engine stalls as it's driving from time to time: the Service Engine Light comes on, iDrive displays "Fuel Pump Malfunction", but no codes are thrown or saved. The car starts up after a while (mainly after I lock the car and let electronics sit for a few minutes). I've already changed the fuel pump - wondering if this might be the issue
I'm using 5.0.6 but it's modified. Please follow the thread on how to setup INPA for more information.
I have the same issue in my 128i, bmw 2009
Did you fix the problem?
Hi, I have a 128i, 2009. I get a CC ID 309 (fuel pump malfunction) I went buy the origin pump for the car and replaced. Run the car for 1 to 2 montha and guess same issue again. Car is running and brrrrrr shuts down, after around 30 minutes I start the car and runs fine for abother 30 minutes. Im thinking its maybe the module or Maube a sensor, fuse not sure. Did anyone have same issue ? Need to see how to fix it.
I have an 08, car shuts off when at a standstill after a few seconds. Dies, then takes around 5-10 minutes to start up. I've changed a number of parts but I've seen two videos (this one and another) and it could be your module is overheating.
Edit: I will be testing thermal tape on the underside of the new module. My list of codes reads as follows, may be the same as yours:
A10A - Timing Challenge
A0B4 - Motor Start/Starter Operation (Fixed)
6292 - EKP Motor: Voltage Too Low
6293 - EKP Engine: Current Too High
2AAE - 0x2AAE Fuel Pump
Old video I know but an EKMP2 can also work fine when cold but fail when it gets hot. Car will die and not start. Had that problem and fixed with a swap.
Do you need to be connected to the internet in order to to do this process?
I have the same issue, can it still be driven? Because I won’t get mine for a week and I need my car :(
Yeah as long as it runs properly once started.
My bmw e60 fuel pump controler "ekpm2" burnt out. I have bought the same module with the same part number. Do i need coding it with my car ?
You just need to encode the module with the vin.
I have the same car! I replaced mine exactly same number module plug and play no issues! Primed and ran perfect!
Well, I have the long cranks now. N54 140k miles. Replaced the lpf sensor but long cranks are now getting more frequent. Fuel pump always buzzes as usual. Any ideas if you see this? Thank You for all you do!
Fuel pressure regulator is a possibility see his other video
@@jdmtechllc6589 I fixed it. Replaced the fuel regulator too. It was a faulty Lpfs I ordered off Amazon. Cheap Chinese part. Got OEM.
Do i need to un hook battery for this install
It's always a good idea but not doing so isn't necessarily dangerous.
Where did you buy this module from
Its a used module from Ebay.
I had the same symptoms of a long start. The problem was with the crank position sensor. Upon arriving at the sensor, it was found that the wire to the sensor was eaten by a rat. $600 for some tape and a new sensor. The car is parked on the streets of NYC.
Did you experience white smoke coming out of the exhaust when you were having problem?
Not that I can remember.
If my 2011 328i uses the Ekpm3 do I still need to code it? Asking because I have 44,000 miles on it and having a crank but no start issue , fuel pump is completely silent thinking this may be the culprit thanks for the great video
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JK-MaLL Krawlerz did you ever solve the issue? I’m having the same problem I even checked all the fuses and relays. Did a new ekpm3 fix it?
thx dude
I have the same issue on my BMW x5 e70. I had replace the fuel pump and the relay but I still have the same issue does E70 has fuel pump control module?
Did you solved issue? I have the same on E60 2009
@@weareallpalestine I have a relay on my BMW X5 e70 not control module so I replace the relay and got the issue fixed
E70 has module. Must take off battery cover. And its on right side near fuse box under little storage compartment
Hey Aveman, could you give me some advise. I don't have a long crank but after a the car is warm and I go to start it. It will idle really rough for 5 seconds and then smooth out. Could it be the regulator? I'll send you some cash if you can help me figure this out
Have you tried resetting adaptations?
Aveman1 yes I have when my jb4 was on. but I'll try again with out it.
Hey bro mine it’s doing the same some time won’t start change the crank sensor the electric fuel pump too I won’t I know that it’s definetly that cause I have spend a lot off money on it.
Having similar problem my car cranks but not for long you think it could be feul pump relay?
I have a 2011 328xi and I'm have the same issue especially in the morning .I took for diagnostic test everything is ok with the engine. I have to crank it many times b4 it start. I have done a proper tune-up still the same. don't know what to do now
It might be your fuel pressure regulator, check out my video on that.
@@VehicularDIY where is the fuel pressure regulator on 2008 528i bro I just change fuel pump still the same long cranks and dies
Thanks for ur lovely video
can i use used ekp on my car thanks
You should be able to yes, just be prepared to encode your vin to it if needed.
@@VehicularDIY thanks for ur replay
i m new to do coding i only learn coding from ur video
if i need any help i will let u know thanks for quick replay
Very informative. You gave me a new direction to look for my long crank issue. My long cranks aren't intermittent, they are contestant. It takes like 20 to 40 seconds of straight cranking after a few hrs of sitting. lol My car is an e83 X3 with an n52, it never made the prime sound before the long crank issue. Not sure why, maybe because my car has more of a traditional fuel system. I didn't know there was a fuel pump control module. I was about to fire the parts cannon and replace the fuel pump and injectors. Thanks for uploading!
Did you figure out your problem? What did it end up being? Mine is the same as yours.. same platform e83 x3. The cranks aren’t that long tho..
@@TheSponge945 the car was starting a little quicker as the weather was getting warmer. But one issue that popped up last week was a misfire on cylinder 6. I checked the plugs and the gap was huge. Like .85" lol and they only have 10k miles on them. So I regapped to iirc .40" and the misfire went away, also it starts normal now. So I would say check your plug gap. It might not have been the root cause of my issue but it for sure wasn't helping. Another culprit to check is your valve eccentrick shaft sensor plug. Some people get oil in there and it makes for a poor connection.
175dell ya me eccentric sensor is new and replaced. Hmm may have to check my plug gaps
@@TheSponge945 Ok, also never hurts to clean your mass air flow sensor.
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Even if you replace this module, you will end up in the same problem.
I took my 750 to the dealer and they asked $1600 for the repairs (replace the EKPM3 module and the fuel pump)
I replaced the fuel pump myself with the OEM part and still have the same problem.
I found out that this module (EKPM3) is overheating and about to melt and burn the car. I installed a computer cooling fan on it and I have no problem since then.
please don't spend your money on replacing the fuel pump or the module, a $4 fan will solve the problem. you can connect it to the output to the fuel pump so it will work only when the fuel pump is working.
I encourage every one add this fan to prevent this module to cause fire. even if you don't have a problem.
it is a dangers failure design.
I will post some pictures to show you all how that work for me.
Thanks for the feedback, I actually installed some really good thermal paste to help with heat dissipation. If a fan helps that just means the transistors are burning out, not sure that would be a long term fix but let us know if it continues to work out for you.
Do u need coding after changing the Ekp ?
Yes. Code it just in case.
If you demonstrated the contents of the DME fault memory, it would be clear that there is an error code regarding the performance of the pre-supply fuel pump. And the error code will be present both with EKPM2 and with EKPM3 since the essence of the problem is not in them.
Have the same issue on my 135i
I get an error when executing the job
I have a e93 2007 330d n57 engine... it starts fine after 2 to 3 secs ... but sometime I get long cranks randomly like every other day or so... its not even cold in UK... can someone help?
Considering it's a diesel I wouldn't use these videos to gauge the problem.
@@VehicularDIYme driving 320d I had same problem...it was rail pressure sensor🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
great video bro sorry it had to happened to you too im thinking about do this upgrade as well
Thanks man, yeah it turned out to be the fuel pressure regulator but I'm glad I updated to the latest module. One less thing to worry about.
@@VehicularDIY I'm having problems with start up takes long and dies u think this module is the problem also do 5 series have a pressure regulator
Vehicular DIY Nice Work
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was it the low or high pressure regulator
keep the tank full Bro
Anthony Hamilton or at least ALITTLE GAS in the tank lol. There are 2 separate "saddle style fuel tanks" in these car's. Meaning it probably needs a decent amount of fuel in the car for the transfer pump and the main - low side Fuel Pump... Could be causing heat - related issues that could of lead up to to this issue...
How do you know which EKP you have without pulling it?
If you can connect to it via your laptop you should be able to tell the version.
Vehicular DIY VIA Inpa?
i have a question my 2010 bmw keeps stalling and says that theres a fuel pump malfunction now I ran a diagnostic on it and the codes said that the votage is low and current is high is that the fuel pump or the fuel pump madular?
It sounds like it could be based on the low voltage code. What exactly were the codes?
Vehicular DIY I have this exact issue 2011 e92 328xi codes says voltage low 6292
Had a question regarding this issue?
hi .. i have this issue . and a replace my hpfp . and still the same . the car runs good good power but jusn long crank . but the car start normal in the morning .. but when get warm it take i lit long to start .. any idea what is .no chek engine ????
Did you ever find out what was wrong?? My 335i 2007 had exactly the same problem as yours..
Same problem 530i n52b30 anyone found the problem?
Do I have to code this when I replace it? I just ordered one for my 2011 F10 due to getting drivetrain malfunction light, and dealer said this could be the issue. Im doing it myself since its fairly simple, I just hope it doesn't need to be programmed.
I didn't have to flash or code the module but I had to "Encode" it with the vehicle order and the vin. I know on the Fxx models it's more straight forward so you may not need to do anything then plug it in. I'd check the forums.
So what would happen if it wasn't encoded with the order and VIN? My module is currently drawing too much power to the fuel pump and overheating it. If I just slap in the new module do you think the same issue would reoccur?
what if your not getting no power to the fuel pump? can this be the problem?
could be, did you check your fuel pump fuse?
@@scottxp800 yeah and changed the relay and the fuel pump , and the sending unit and the control mod still not getting power to the fuel pump no gas getting to the eng not having fun.
Amador Oquendo hey did you manage to solve your problem? I’ve the exact same problem currently
Oh that damn waste gate rattle on startup :)