@@ABC-ik9vjIf your definition of not relevant is not Top 10. Then yeah you're right. But Corrin is played by a lot of top players like Cosmos, Zackray even MKLEO. The character was considered the Bayo counter for a while as well. So I don't know about not being relevant!!!
Look at the stats, he had a couple bad tournaments the ranking makes sense. It’s just a little bit of whiplash from him being a number 1 contender last season. Miya and acola won 83 and 85% of their games vs top 100 players this season I don’t think anyone else was that dominant
Unfortunately his worst tournaments (Kagaribi and Delta) were also 2 of the 3 biggest tournaments of the season, including the absolute biggest. On players above him he's also 2-5 with his only wins being SHADIC, and every player above him bar Tweek (who has the same amount but more winning records) had more top 20 wins. It's also worth noting that 9th this season is like top 5 last season, the talent pool is incredible.
Nahh man fr. Me as a Cloud main too, they done my boi Spargoat dirty. Like he is def the best. Of course, maaybe not above Acola because I gotta give it to Acola, his results are insane, bro won like every tournament.
He had a bad season for his usual standards. Him being at 9th place looks crazy, but considering the results of the 8 people above him, it makes sense.
I remember when Shadic was this dark horse player that seemed good, but not good enough to beat the top players. And now he’s ranked higher than Spargo, congrats.
People complaining about Tweek at fifth as if he didnt have 2 super major wins, a 4th at genesis and more top 10 player wins than anyone else below him (and more than hurt) and thats WITH his limited attendance - im surprised anyone thought he wouldnt be top 5
@@ABC-ik9vj If you add shuton/sparg0s major wins from this season together it makes up 50% of tweeks If you add up Shutons/Sparg0s top 10 wins from this season together its 1 less than Tweeks If you add up shutons/Sparg0s attendance together its almost 4x Tweeks 4x the opportunity, yet less accolades? Yeah youre right, they should be higher
It's really more that Acola is getting awarded for his insane consistency. If Acola got even a single finish outside of top 3 or even missed 1st one more time, then I would get it. Also, Acola was up 3-1 against Miya so that probably was a deciding factor.
@@andrewg.3281 Sparg0 had a very dominant record against Acola last season and it didn't help, so I don't think head-to-head is a factor. Also, the more you attend the higher the risk of not winning, so you can't really speak about consistency if he didn't go to many events.
@@andrewg.3281Acola didnt travel, he didn’t wanna come to NA after getting cooked by Sonix and Spargo , Miya did travel and got his worst result, and he said he wasn’t coming to NA again that day
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I get that acola is pure consistency, but I think Miya definitely deserves the #1 based on the stats here. A lot of his stats are comparable to acola's but in higher volume. He has double the Top 20, Top50, Top 100 and All Qualifier H2H wins. He's placed in the top of 4 P-tiers to acola's 3. He has 6 major-or-higher wins to acola's 2 (both P tiers, but Miya has 2 P tier wins too.) Miya has 11 top ten wins versus acola's 6. Sure, Miya got 17th at Genesis and 7th at Cirque. acola doesn't have a result lower than 3rd, and that is a crazy achievement. These work against Miya. But acola has a really low attendance, and no international attendance. It's harder for a rank to seem as legitimate if the player hasn't branched out. Miya just has so much more volume and variety, and I think that's worth more than has been given. Still though, thanks for doing this Lumirank folks
I think ranking Acola over Miya is bad for the competitive scene as well. Players might not want to attend as much if it helps their ranking which means tournaments would be more boring if the top talents aren’t there as often
I haven’t kept up with Ultimate for a few months and goddamn this ranking is giving me whiplash, sparg0 under Daifuku and Hurt would’ve never crossed my mind as smth that would ever happen
Spargo had a rough season. He's always been kind of a volatile player, but this season in particular he had some back-to-back low placements. Add that to the fact that this ranking is now biannual as opposed to the previous one that was annual, and it was much harder for Sparg0 to compensate for his losses.
Thank you for researching players + statistics, editing videos combined to over an hour, and finding clips+pictures to create these rankings, I do agree that this ranking system feels like it rewards lower attendance too much, but I am not qualified enough to know why it does this, so thank you, Luminosity and staff for this
Since no one else will say it, I will Sonix is an amazing player who I love to watch and that I cheer for everytime hes playing One of my all time favorite players, I may be the only Sonix fanatic in the world but I like it better that way
Why do people say stuff like that? This ranking ranked the first six months of 2024 of Ultimate. It doesn't predict the future and it's not supposed to predict the future, so it doesn't matter what happens in the future, it can't make it look stupid.
It makes sense and congrats to Acola they’re both cracked but I kind of feel bad for Miya tbh he won so many events and was so many players demon, he went crazy.
This is the only thing on the ranking I disagree with. acola is my favorite player (bite me) and I’m happy to see him at #1 yet again but Miya not getting #1 is kind of mind-boggling to me. Dude won five majors. (Although, acola did win two stacked P-Tiers, so I can still see the argument for him being #1)
Keep in mind that the season finished before Kowloon, so that tournament was not included in the stats. The rest of the season Acola was just more consistent and had a winning record against him.
I just got an idea for how the Lumirank algorithm could be less punishing to regions that aren't able to have as many events as Japan. Most likely the Lumirank team has already considered this option, but I wanna explain it to anyone else stumbling upon this comment. See, for those who don't know, placing highly at a major automatically gives you a minimum point value. What I mean by this is that if the point value you get from your ranking is higher than the one you got from placing highly at a major, then that's the one you get. For example, Light only got 150 points from getting 5th at a P tier last season, but because he's ranked number 10 in the world, he's worth 300 points instead. However, the opposite is not true, which is why I said it's a minimum point value: if your ranking gives you a point value lower than the point value you got from placing well at a major, then the latter one is the one that matters. For example, Kola is number 36 in the world, which should give him a point value of 120 points, but because he also got 4th at an S tier, which gave him a point value of 150 points, he's actually worth 150 points at any events he enters. If you're following me, you might already see the issue. Let's say you make it to top 8 at an A tier thanks to some upsets and a lucky bracket for your character. That would make it so that any time you enter an event, the event in question is worth 50 points more. It doesn't matter how bad you do the rest of the season, you could go 1-2 over and over and you'd still contribute 50 points to any event you enter. So, if one region in the world has the opportunity to have A tiers every other week while another region struggles to even have two significant events in a month, players from the first region will have a huge advantage. The more tournaments happen, the more likely it is that someone gets that lucky bracket that brings them to top 8 of an A tier, or top 16 of an S tier, or top 32 of a P tier(all of those rewards you with a 50 points value minimum). This means that all events increase in value over time, making it more likely to have even more majors in this region and more likely to have players that get points exclusively from one good run, which ultimately has the effect that players from this region will be ranked higher. How do we fix this? Well, my solution is very simple: make these point values lower. Like, maybe someone who made top 8 at a P tier once shouldn't be worth as much as a top 25 player by default. Here's a particularly egregious example of this happening in Japan: Omuatsu is ranked 83 in the world, but his 5th place at Kowloon 9 more than doubles his point value, from 70 points to 150 points, so now he counts for as much as Mkleo when he decides to enter a tournament. If we make this part of the Lumirank less important, other regions in the world won't be at such a huge disadvantage compared to Japan.
I see your point. However I think an exception to your proposal should be made for supermajor winners such as ShinyMark and Zomba. If you win a tournament with a point value of an “S+ tier or higher” you should be given a point value of 250 or 300. Or a way to compensate for the current higher Major placement point distribution is to increase the LumiRank point player distribution higher for ranks in the top 100
@@zavillion893 Bro. I think you're missing the joke/irony of the original post. Sonix got 2nd at like every event so it's ironic seeing him with a non-2nd place. Pretty sure this is all just pointing out that irony.
Thanks for all the time and effort with these rankings, LG! I ESPECIALLY want to say thanks for including favorite games, songs, and hobbies for each player as that was so fun to read about and really added a lot to the personalities of all these great talents worldwide!!! 😊
I really do disagree about miya not getting first, but I guess if you prioritize less events with a cleaner record than it makes sense. Acola only went to 7 tourney's top 1 tho. idk man
As a fan of Shuton, I would like to tell you that he has never finished lower than 9th in a Japanese tournament, where it is difficult to be consistent. And in his stream he says he respects other players regardless of their ranking position or country and thinks he is overrated. He is Goat!
@@nickmonks826 yeah but overall his results compared to tamap are similar and his record vs the top 100 is significantly better. same goes for shadic, so he should be like 7th imo even though i also think hes better than that
Agreed… the rankings are weird… sparg0 had some flops and because he fell off compare to last year it’s more noticeable even though he’s probably around the same as shadic
Sorry to break it to some of you, but someone like Spargo who attempted to win Genesis X with Aegis does not earn praise. Even Akakikusu, Snow and Doramigi should be higher. It is not about results but personality
I knew when Acola had that "White Space" tag (or something similar to that), it was in reference to Omori. I swear people were freaking out he was depressed our something
What are people talking about? Miya got heavily rewarded for attending so many majors and winning most of them out of every top player on this list. He improved so much that he got 2nd in the world, two spots higher than last year!
I think people are just heavily averse to the idea of having a Steve main as the number 1 player, so they criticise the ranking with that bias in mind. The previous season they were complaining about the ranking not rewarding head to heads because both Spargo and Sonix had a winning record against Acola but he still got number 1. Now they are saying that the algorithm punishes you for attending tournaments because Acola attended less tournaments but got a higher place.
There should be a world series, with a few regionals as qualifiers for a main big national event in every country, then the top8 players from these national events would qualify to a main international event, and the rankings from the year (or half year) would be the results from this big event. The results from national and regional events would help to break a tie (for people who finish in 5th, 7th, 9th, etc. during the main international event).
Ranking reflected the season pretty well, some of them felt a little odd but in retrospect make a lot of sense (spago at 9 feels weird but does make sense
Top 4 is Steve, G&W, Snake and Sonic, I think we can all agree that we're ready for the next smash game, Ultimate was a great ride but the end meta is just sad.
People need to stop crying. There is no way that "cHaRaCteRs" are the reason you say that. It's fair if you are just tired of the game due to the fact that it's old or maybe you have changed. If you blame characters for lack of interest you are a coward 😂😂😂
Sparg0 had a 13th and a 33th place and his record against the top10 wasn’t the best, although I do think he should definitely be behind shadic him being above sparg0 makes sense
Some constructive criticism in terms of the editing for this videos is that I think there are too few clips. Instead of showing one long sequence I think it would be more interesting to make show multiple good clips from players and show some camera footage of them if possible. It would add more hype and incorporate more player personality into the video. I think if there is gonna be a longer outplay sequence it’s better to save it for the clip at the end. I also believe that the song choices weren’t the best and it didn’t feel like there was enough effort put into syncing the clips. For example the Tweek song is incredibly silly and does not match the atmosphere of a top 5 player popping off. There were definitely much more “hype” donkey songs that could’ve been used for that moment. The pgr videos always had really good clip sync with commentator reactions that transitioned into the next clips before fading away and it added a lot of hype. I would frequently get chills watching the videos and seeing some of the hype outplays mixed with the commentators popping off and the intense music that syncs perfectly. The editing quality of the old pgr videos were top notch and I would frequently rewatch them just to appreciate how good they were. While the lumi videos clearly have high quality production they just lack the same overall quality/attention to detail and care the pgr videos had for the reasons I listed.
The only one I feel weird about is Shuton. In my mind he's 9th or 10th. I really don't think he should be higher than Shadic, but nevertheless an interesting list for sure. Very excited to see the developments for the next six months! I think Shadic will continue to do well, I'd like to see Sparg0 use Aegis more and Leo should probably have a comeback as long as he continues to adapt to the new meta, get rid of all his old habits and such. Hopefully Sonix will get #1 next season; most consistent, most hard-working, him and Miya both are excellent.
TamaP and Shuton ending up this high was not on my radar. I can see the argument for Shuton with all his amazing placements at P tiers, but TamaP's ranking genuinely confuses me despite the h2h against Shuton. He has plenty of mediocre losses and underperformances, particularly at regionals, which I know count for less, but still... It's also not like he has that many good wins, he didn't attend that much. But maybe I'm biased by his recent(and not for this season, to be clear)129th place at Kowloon.
You are severely underrating TamaPdaifuku's wins. Miya win plus winning head-to-heads on Shuton, Raru, Snow, Maister, Gackt, Aka, Yaura, Yamanaction, Ken, and Zomba.
Consistency matters the most at top level. When you attend more tournaments, you risk getting more outlier placements that can majorly affect your ranking. It’s a matter of risk-reward, and these players, even one as attendance-heavy as Miya, can struggle.
Shadic ranked over Sparg0 after so many people were dissing him and trying to write off his wins (like the Luminosity Invitational) is hilarious. Also shout out to the players calling Corrin a fake high tier. Roy isn't the FE character in the top 10, dawg. That's Corrin.
I’m pretty content with the rankings, just a bit confused with the editing of this vid compared to the others only giving each player 2 clips which is ironic. Good stuff to everyone who made these vids to bring back hype tho 🎉🎉🎉
It's crazy how despite making Steve-banned tournaments have the same weight as the ones where he's not banned, Acola still managed to get the results for numer 1 playing almost solo Steve. This kid is cracked.
acola is insane but the glazing is crazy😭 like japan doesnt have any steve banned majors and NA barely has any steve-banned tournaments nowadays (the only one that was a major that i recall was lmbm)
? He has a negative record against top 20 players. He didn’t win anything. He missed out on at least 4 top 8s. And couldn’t beat either of the best players in his region in half a year. I love watching Shuton but 6th place for his results is wild
Many people may be frustrated with Sparg0's ranking.I understand the temptation to complain here.But all we fans have to do now is cheer him on.He has always fascinated us with his play, first of all, Supernova, and we look forward to seeing him in action!
Lumi’s ranking is interesting. Everybody’s will be different because they will prioritize and give more weight to certain stats over other things. No ranking will be perfect. That being said…Lumi’s ranking is interesting
To anyone critiquing the results of players, imagine every dub & L in a season as earning & losing points, with players like Sparg0 & Light never earned as many points when compared to the last season, so they dropped from their rankings. Players like Tweek & Miya shot up, whereas players like Sonix & Acola sustained theres.
I feel like Sparg0 at 9 is only because he hasn't gone to many tournaments so far this year, cause there's no way that Shuton and Tweek are currently better than Sparg0
So many people in this comment section don’t know how to read stats. If you want Sparg0 and Sonix to be 1 and 2 this past season make your own ranking based on vibes and NA pride.
Okay, but who really believes TamaP should be higher than Sparg0? Dude got a 49th. And only one of them was ever in the conversation for being the best in the world. The japanese glizzing is real. Sparg0 should've been 6th. The top 5 is all good.
Well Tama never missed top 4 twice in a row, while Sparg0 went four tournaments in a row not reaching top 4, and he even got a 33rd. Sparg0 is definitely a better player in the game's lifespan, but this season in particular Tama was much more consistent.
i know tweek is really good but holy, look at how few tourneys he went to. feel like the system rewards not going to that much stuff because you rack up more "bad" losses
see people are making the exact same argument in reverse, saying that japanese players are buffed because they have so many ranked tournaments to attend to. there are people in top 10 with a lot of tournaments, and people in top 10 with not a lot of tournaments you cant just look it one ranking you dont like and say "it must be because x is favored"
@@markzuckerberg8067 thats a different argument. you're just saying that because he didnt attend a lot, he doesnt deserve 5th. which is a fair opinion. im just saying that it isnt inherently rewarding inattendance.
@@liampbjray5562 i guess thats fair, i honestly do think japan has an advantage in being higher in the rankings but that does contradict my point about tweek. now that you mention it, i have no clue how tweek actually got this high
Bayo, Corrin, Fox, Diddy and Cloud in top 10, welcome back Smash 4
still no sheik or rosalina tho
and Sonic
Mewtwo and Marth crying in the club rn
@@ABC-ik9vjIf your definition of not relevant is not Top 10. Then yeah you're right. But Corrin is played by a lot of top players like Cosmos, Zackray even MKLEO. The character was considered the Bayo counter for a while as well. So I don't know about not being relevant!!!
@@ABC-ik9vj yes you can say Corrin is not Top 10 and I probably won't correct you on that one. But to say she's not relevant is a different matter.
spargo at 9 feels insane
Yeah honestly it makes this ranking seem poor. He is definitely higher than 9th.
Look at the stats, he had a couple bad tournaments the ranking makes sense. It’s just a little bit of whiplash from him being a number 1 contender last season. Miya and acola won 83 and 85% of their games vs top 100 players this season I don’t think anyone else was that dominant
For real man, I love my boi Spargoat he is def the best.
@@fiber1881I dont know... the 8 people above him had crazy results and spargo had some low lows
Unfortunately his worst tournaments (Kagaribi and Delta) were also 2 of the 3 biggest tournaments of the season, including the absolute biggest. On players above him he's also 2-5 with his only wins being SHADIC, and every player above him bar Tweek (who has the same amount but more winning records) had more top 20 wins.
It's also worth noting that 9th this season is like top 5 last season, the talent pool is incredible.
Zain getting top 5 THIS EARLY into his ultimate career is insane
Don’t test him
Bro… i havent been keeping up with the smash scene lately but i know zain started playing ultimate. I thought you were being deadass
@@yan_dj I’m Japanese. who Zain? I am not good at English, so I don't understand. Brother Tell me.
@@尾滝布郎 Zain is a pro Melee player, that was just a joke
@@尾滝布郎Zain is a smash melee player. Pretty much has been #1 for many years as of very recently, until taken over by Cody
Sparg0 at 9 is ABSURD
@@landonmedina3930
Sparg0 is definitely stronger than shuton these days.
How is shuton above him??
Nahh man fr. Me as a Cloud main too, they done my boi Spargoat dirty. Like he is def the best. Of course, maaybe not above Acola because I gotta give it to Acola, his results are insane, bro won like every tournament.
Shuton at 6th is ABSURD
He had a bad season for his usual standards. Him being at 9th place looks crazy, but considering the results of the 8 people above him, it makes sense.
can't believe Leo got 1st STILL the goat
Ikr I always knew he could still pull it off
always believed in my goat, look at him go 🥹
Leo single handedly put spargo into 9th
our goat still goating ong. 🫡 can’t believe their hasn’t been any P tier tourneys since genesis last year tho, really weird
I remember when Shadic was this dark horse player that seemed good, but not good enough to beat the top players. And now he’s ranked higher than Spargo, congrats.
Yup. Feels good to watch as a Corrin main.
Sonix needs to get 2nd at every Supermajor to make Smash bros history
People complaining about Tweek at fifth as if he didnt have 2 super major wins, a 4th at genesis and more top 10 player wins than anyone else below him (and more than hurt) and thats WITH his limited attendance - im surprised anyone thought he wouldnt be top 5
@@ABC-ik9vj for being better?
@@ABC-ik9vj If you add shuton/sparg0s major wins from this season together it makes up 50% of tweeks
If you add up Shutons/Sparg0s top 10 wins from this season together its 1 less than Tweeks
If you add up shutons/Sparg0s attendance together its almost 4x Tweeks
4x the opportunity, yet less accolades? Yeah youre right, they should be higher
If anything I expect him above Hurt, but those 2 acola wins probably meant a lot.
Plus he’s the only player to have no demon
@@lucasmuncaciu1020 sonix didn't either I think
It sucks that players get punished for attending more tournaments
Yeah, it feels like Miya got robbed because he went to more events but couldn't win them all.
It's really more that Acola is getting awarded for his insane consistency. If Acola got even a single finish outside of top 3 or even missed 1st one more time, then I would get it. Also, Acola was up 3-1 against Miya so that probably was a deciding factor.
@@andrewg.3281 Sparg0 had a very dominant record against Acola last season and it didn't help, so I don't think head-to-head is a factor. Also, the more you attend the higher the risk of not winning, so you can't really speak about consistency if he didn't go to many events.
@@andrewg.3281Acola didnt travel, he didn’t wanna come to NA after getting cooked by Sonix and Spargo , Miya did travel and got his worst result, and he said he wasn’t coming to NA again that day
@@MrJJ-xm4tr acola is high school student
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I get that acola is pure consistency, but I think Miya definitely deserves the #1 based on the stats here. A lot of his stats are comparable to acola's but in higher volume. He has double the Top 20, Top50, Top 100 and All Qualifier H2H wins. He's placed in the top of 4 P-tiers to acola's 3. He has 6 major-or-higher wins to acola's 2 (both P tiers, but Miya has 2 P tier wins too.) Miya has 11 top ten wins versus acola's 6. Sure, Miya got 17th at Genesis and 7th at Cirque. acola doesn't have a result lower than 3rd, and that is a crazy achievement. These work against Miya. But acola has a really low attendance, and no international attendance. It's harder for a rank to seem as legitimate if the player hasn't branched out. Miya just has so much more volume and variety, and I think that's worth more than has been given. Still though, thanks for doing this Lumirank folks
another point is that kagaribi 12 was the most stacked tournament by a pretty significant margin, and Miya is the one who won it
Think it's worth mentioning miya had a 9th and 13th at Japanese A tiers with some awful losses
I think ranking Acola over Miya is bad for the competitive scene as well. Players might not want to attend as much if it helps their ranking which means tournaments would be more boring if the top talents aren’t there as often
Acola legit has no bad losses, has no low placings and has the head to head advantage against Miya. It was pretty clear that Acola would be #1 imo
I mean yeah the reason he was ranked lower was because he went to NA, classic lumirank punishing high attendance.
I haven’t kept up with Ultimate for a few months and goddamn this ranking is giving me whiplash, sparg0 under Daifuku and Hurt would’ve never crossed my mind as smth that would ever happen
Spargo had a rough season. He's always been kind of a volatile player, but this season in particular he had some back-to-back low placements. Add that to the fact that this ranking is now biannual as opposed to the previous one that was annual, and it was much harder for Sparg0 to compensate for his losses.
Thank you for researching players + statistics, editing videos combined to over an hour, and finding clips+pictures to create these rankings, I do agree that this ranking system feels like it rewards lower attendance too much, but I am not qualified enough to know why it does this, so thank you, Luminosity and staff for this
Since no one else will say it, I will
Sonix is an amazing player who I love to watch and that I cheer for everytime hes playing
One of my all time favorite players, I may be the only Sonix fanatic in the world but I like it better that way
I really want you to come to Japan and play.
@@TAIDADAaaaa If I could I would
why he just presses like a total of three buttons is 3rd this is a joke btw
Fr, he's one of my favorite players to watch. People complaining way too much about him. it's sad to see him still get so much hate
@@MonsterHunter-cg6je cry about it
Ya know... saying right now. This Top 10 is going to look so stupid after this weekend. Take this whatever you will...
Can’t wait to watch Sparg9 lose to a Japanese 0-2er lmao
@@ValentinesdayghostI can’t wait for you to eat your words when SPARGOAT comes back and performs at his regular level.
@@JonathanRodriguez-cl8gq Face the facts, Sparg9 isn’t a Horseman anymore. :)
@@Valentinesdayghost he would still destroy you any day :) I would too. Send your friend code to whoop ya online :)
Why do people say stuff like that? This ranking ranked the first six months of 2024 of Ultimate. It doesn't predict the future and it's not supposed to predict the future, so it doesn't matter what happens in the future, it can't make it look stupid.
It makes sense and congrats to Acola they’re both cracked but I kind of feel bad for Miya tbh he won so many events and was so many players demon, he went crazy.
This is the only thing on the ranking I disagree with. acola is my favorite player (bite me) and I’m happy to see him at #1 yet again but Miya not getting #1 is kind of mind-boggling to me. Dude won five majors. (Although, acola did win two stacked P-Tiers, so I can still see the argument for him being #1)
It's mostly the fact that he never seems to lose until Winners Semis that pushes him above Miya. Also the record over Miya.
@@morningcoffee4384 Miya also missed top 8 at 4 majors this season, including one P-Tier at Genesis X. Ouch.
@@Valentinesdayghost Gonna be honest, I forgot he even went to Genesis lol.
@@morningcoffee4384 same lol
Needs to be weighted by number of tournaments attended, or else some players will stay complacent.
They need to value wins and head to heads more than placements and losses to encourage players to play more
it is weighted. acola is still ahead by a lot
@@jeilastnamejei5831acola literally got a debuff from lack of attendance and still had a 100
@@captainpuff1238 They already do that, placement is pretty much irrelevant in lumirank
How is Miya not in 1st place!?!?!?
The unranked losses he got at some events + the losing record against acola is my guess. They're neck and neck in points.
If you really need a tie-breaker, acola had a slightly winning record on miya.
Because acola had a better season lol
Keep in mind that the season finished before Kowloon, so that tournament was not included in the stats. The rest of the season Acola was just more consistent and had a winning record against him.
Tweek is so hype. His technical ability is borderline unmatched.
I just got an idea for how the Lumirank algorithm could be less punishing to regions that aren't able to have as many events as Japan. Most likely the Lumirank team has already considered this option, but I wanna explain it to anyone else stumbling upon this comment.
See, for those who don't know, placing highly at a major automatically gives you a minimum point value. What I mean by this is that if the point value you get from your ranking is higher than the one you got from placing highly at a major, then that's the one you get. For example, Light only got 150 points from getting 5th at a P tier last season, but because he's ranked number 10 in the world, he's worth 300 points instead.
However, the opposite is not true, which is why I said it's a minimum point value: if your ranking gives you a point value lower than the point value you got from placing well at a major, then the latter one is the one that matters. For example, Kola is number 36 in the world, which should give him a point value of 120 points, but because he also got 4th at an S tier, which gave him a point value of 150 points, he's actually worth 150 points at any events he enters.
If you're following me, you might already see the issue. Let's say you make it to top 8 at an A tier thanks to some upsets and a lucky bracket for your character. That would make it so that any time you enter an event, the event in question is worth 50 points more. It doesn't matter how bad you do the rest of the season, you could go 1-2 over and over and you'd still contribute 50 points to any event you enter.
So, if one region in the world has the opportunity to have A tiers every other week while another region struggles to even have two significant events in a month, players from the first region will have a huge advantage. The more tournaments happen, the more likely it is that someone gets that lucky bracket that brings them to top 8 of an A tier, or top 16 of an S tier, or top 32 of a P tier(all of those rewards you with a 50 points value minimum). This means that all events increase in value over time, making it more likely to have even more majors in this region and more likely to have players that get points exclusively from one good run, which ultimately has the effect that players from this region will be ranked higher.
How do we fix this? Well, my solution is very simple: make these point values lower. Like, maybe someone who made top 8 at a P tier once shouldn't be worth as much as a top 25 player by default. Here's a particularly egregious example of this happening in Japan: Omuatsu is ranked 83 in the world, but his 5th place at Kowloon 9 more than doubles his point value, from 70 points to 150 points, so now he counts for as much as Mkleo when he decides to enter a tournament. If we make this part of the Lumirank less important, other regions in the world won't be at such a huge disadvantage compared to Japan.
finally someone gets it
I see your point.
However I think an exception to your proposal should be made for supermajor winners such as ShinyMark and Zomba. If you win a tournament with a point value of an “S+ tier or higher” you should be given a point value of 250 or 300. Or a way to compensate for the current higher Major placement point distribution is to increase the LumiRank point player distribution higher for ranks in the top 100
@@pbz7572 I feel like Supermajors are already worth so much than normal majors, I don't think they need another advantage.
Mannnn. I miss when MKLeo was the consensus number 1 player, dominating every tournament. Back when him losing at ALL was a surprise.
If only he had the work ethic he’d still be a contender.
@@1CHRIS2ZZZZZZyeah, vagina distracts for sure
Why? this is much more contentious and interesting
@@foke449It was very cool to see him dominate though
Sonix not getting second is a war crime
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No its not lol miya and acola were 100% above him
@@zavillion893 You gotta be the funny one at parties
@@Moirax ? They just simply had way better seasons than he did
@@zavillion893 Bro. I think you're missing the joke/irony of the original post. Sonix got 2nd at like every event so it's ironic seeing him with a non-2nd place.
Pretty sure this is all just pointing out that irony.
Weird year for ultimate.
Thanks for all the time and effort with these rankings, LG! I ESPECIALLY want to say thanks for including favorite games, songs, and hobbies for each player as that was so fun to read about and really added a lot to the personalities of all these great talents worldwide!!! 😊
We all knew in our hearts Cosmos was gonna be #1!! Congrats king 👑
I love this comment lmao
Bro rode that green goblin all the way to the top
Do yourself a favor and don't read the comments. There are some people who haven't even followed smash at all this year spitting absolute garbage.
Tweek in the Top 5 over Shuton, Light, and Sparg0 is hella satisfying to see. Congrats, King!! Hope we see you even higher as the year progresses!!!!
I really do disagree about miya not getting first, but I guess if you prioritize less events with a cleaner record than it makes sense. Acola only went to 7 tourney's top 1 tho. idk man
As a fan of Shuton, I would like to tell you that he has never finished lower than 9th in a Japanese tournament, where it is difficult to be consistent.
And in his stream he says he respects other players regardless of their ranking position or country and thinks he is overrated.
He is Goat!
spargo at 9th is kind of a joke, not taking rankings seriously anymore
Didn't he flop at some japanese tournaments?
It shows the stats, he had a couple rough tournaments this season
@@nickmonks826 yeah but overall his results compared to tamap are similar and his record vs the top 100 is significantly better. same goes for shadic, so he should be like 7th imo even though i also think hes better than that
Agreed… the rankings are weird… sparg0 had some flops and because he fell off compare to last year it’s more noticeable even though he’s probably around the same as shadic
Sorry to break it to some of you, but someone like Spargo who attempted to win Genesis X with Aegis does not earn praise. Even Akakikusu, Snow and Doramigi should be higher. It is not about results but personality
I knew when Acola had that "White Space" tag (or something similar to that), it was in reference to Omori. I swear people were freaking out he was depressed our something
the amount of 2nds sonix has in majors is criminal lol
8:38 bro that music from wii sports actually bring me back to 2007😂
do you know what the songs called?
@@tebblesop wii sports swordplay showdown
What are people talking about? Miya got heavily rewarded for attending so many majors and winning most of them out of every top player on this list. He improved so much that he got 2nd in the world, two spots higher than last year!
I think people are just heavily averse to the idea of having a Steve main as the number 1 player, so they criticise the ranking with that bias in mind.
The previous season they were complaining about the ranking not rewarding head to heads because both Spargo and Sonix had a winning record against Acola but he still got number 1.
Now they are saying that the algorithm punishes you for attending tournaments because Acola attended less tournaments but got a higher place.
There should be a world series, with a few regionals as qualifiers for a main big national event in every country, then the top8 players from these national events would qualify to a main international event, and the rankings from the year (or half year) would be the results from this big event.
The results from national and regional events would help to break a tie (for people who finish in 5th, 7th, 9th, etc. during the main international event).
Sparg0 saw that 9th place and decided to make it outdated asap
Ranking reflected the season pretty well, some of them felt a little odd but in retrospect make a lot of sense (spago at 9 feels weird but does make sense
That song choice for Miya giving me nightmare rn
Do you know what the song is? I want the name pls
@@tebblesop unfortunately I do, it's swordplay showdown from Wii Sports Resort (banger game mode but this song is painful outside of it LOL)
Top 4 is Steve, G&W, Snake and Sonic, I think we can all agree that we're ready for the next smash game, Ultimate was a great ride but the end meta is just sad.
People need to stop crying. There is no way that "cHaRaCteRs" are the reason you say that. It's fair if you are just tired of the game due to the fact that it's old or maybe you have changed. If you blame characters for lack of interest you are a coward 😂😂😂
Shuton getting 6th over Shadic, Spargo, and TamaP is absurd. like what?
he had 0 major wins, 0 bro. tf is this ranking
@@liche414his h2h were strong and he didn’t place anything lower than 9th
Sparg0 had a 13th and a 33th place and his record against the top10 wasn’t the best, although I do think he should definitely be behind shadic him being above sparg0 makes sense
@@liche414sonix has 0 major wins bro, 0
レベル的にしゅーとんはTOP15がいいとこ
Some constructive criticism in terms of the editing for this videos is that I think there are too few clips. Instead of showing one long sequence I think it would be more interesting to make show multiple good clips from players and show some camera footage of them if possible. It would add more hype and incorporate more player personality into the video. I think if there is gonna be a longer outplay sequence it’s better to save it for the clip at the end. I also believe that the song choices weren’t the best and it didn’t feel like there was enough effort put into syncing the clips. For example the Tweek song is incredibly silly and does not match the atmosphere of a top 5 player popping off. There were definitely much more “hype” donkey songs that could’ve been used for that moment. The pgr videos always had really good clip sync with commentator reactions that transitioned into the next clips before fading away and it added a lot of hype. I would frequently get chills watching the videos and seeing some of the hype outplays mixed with the commentators popping off and the intense music that syncs perfectly. The editing quality of the old pgr videos were top notch and I would frequently rewatch them just to appreciate how good they were. While the lumi videos clearly have high quality production they just lack the same overall quality/attention to detail and care the pgr videos had for the reasons I listed.
Sonix really took the “ Be the best player in NA but never win a major” too literally
The only one I feel weird about is Shuton. In my mind he's 9th or 10th. I really don't think he should be higher than Shadic, but nevertheless an interesting list for sure.
Very excited to see the developments for the next six months! I think Shadic will continue to do well, I'd like to see Sparg0 use Aegis more and Leo should probably have a comeback as long as he continues to adapt to the new meta, get rid of all his old habits and such. Hopefully Sonix will get #1 next season; most consistent, most hard-working, him and Miya both are excellent.
4:00 wasn’t expecting to hear my comms in the Top 10 players in the world reveal but I’ll take that haha
Great call!!
TamaP and Shuton ending up this high was not on my radar. I can see the argument for Shuton with all his amazing placements at P tiers, but TamaP's ranking genuinely confuses me despite the h2h against Shuton. He has plenty of mediocre losses and underperformances, particularly at regionals, which I know count for less, but still... It's also not like he has that many good wins, he didn't attend that much. But maybe I'm biased by his recent(and not for this season, to be clear)129th place at Kowloon.
You are severely underrating TamaPdaifuku's wins. Miya win plus winning head-to-heads on Shuton, Raru, Snow, Maister, Gackt, Aka, Yaura, Yamanaction, Ken, and Zomba.
Sparg0 at 9 is ridiculous
not really he flopped hard at delta and kagaribi
No its not lol, the players above him simply had better seasons
@@zavillion893 Yeah thats true, it just feels so weird seeing spargo at 9th
色々言われてるけど単純に安定感重視で1回コケたらだいぶ下がるランキングなんやろな
ミーヤーやHurtもコケてる。そんな単純なランキングでは無いよ😊
@@チョけ太郎 ミーヤーはこけて9位とかpティア17位だからあcolaに負けてる、hurtさんのコケの九龍篝火は7月だから集計に入ってないやん笑笑
篝火で1回だけコケただけで9位にされるのか
4位とかならまだ納得出来た
上位の3人は1回のコケを許さないほどの戦績だったから
デルタもデカイですよ、sfactorも少しコケたし
格下に負けた実績はルミランクへの影響がでかいね
ミーヤーも悔しい負けが何度かあった
世界最上位にとっては最高成績より悪い成績の影響のほうが大きいんだろうね
敗北の質の悪さ以外にも、Top20相手にあまり勝てなかった事も大きな要因です。
I’m sorry but heavy attendance being punished so heavily is dumb. Acola understood the meta, get the lead, then camp
Smash rankings meta = smash meta
Consistency matters the most at top level. When you attend more tournaments, you risk getting more outlier placements that can majorly affect your ranking. It’s a matter of risk-reward, and these players, even one as attendance-heavy as Miya, can struggle.
Acola literally got nerfed by his low attendance and still had a 100 on the algorithm 😭
It's literally the opposite, low attendance is punished. acola is just that guy
He won half of the P tiers that happened this season and placed top 3 at another. Sounds like #1 to me
spargo 9th? L
Acola sitting pretty up there while the rest of the ranks is like a FOREST FIRE
外人ニキたち、スパーゴ9位でしゅーとん6位なことに不満すぎてウケる
HurtがTweekよりも上なことにもキレてる😂
実際問題しゅーとんはもうTOP10には入らん
@@yatousenpai 「うーん、しゅーとんは古豪だし最近もそこそこ勝ってるっぽいから6位！w」ってわけではなく明確にルールを決めて公平に平等にポイントを設けて（？）この結果なんだろうからある程度正しいんじゃないんですかね、知りませんけど
Shadic ranked over Sparg0 after so many people were dissing him and trying to write off his wins (like the Luminosity Invitational) is hilarious.
Also shout out to the players calling Corrin a fake high tier. Roy isn't the FE character in the top 10, dawg. That's Corrin.
8:39 this song is what plays when any top player sees Miya in their bracket path
I’m pretty content with the rankings, just a bit confused with the editing of this vid compared to the others only giving each player 2 clips which is ironic. Good stuff to everyone who made these vids to bring back hype tho 🎉🎉🎉
Yeah, kinda of a lame video. Could've used shorter clips to highlight big moments (good plays and big tournament wins) instead of only 2 long clips.
Sonix is undeniably the best American player, I'm so happy for him and all the success and recognition he's getting.
hes dominican, my dude
I really wished Sonix was Second in the World
4th last year mid year
3rd last year full year
2nd would’ve been perfect especially with his consistency
Marss at 1????
no way
@@jasonjgl8428let me dream
The Japanese bias is heavier this season than most
I get they have a supermajor like every weekend but still
BGMで！？ってなったけどあcolaくんってOMORI好きなのか、いいセンスしてる
How is Spargo 9th and how isn't Miya just 1st?! No shade to other players, it just doesn't seem right
It's crazy how despite making Steve-banned tournaments have the same weight as the ones where he's not banned, Acola still managed to get the results for numer 1 playing almost solo Steve. This kid is cracked.
acola is insane but the glazing is crazy😭 like japan doesnt have any steve banned majors and NA barely has any steve-banned tournaments nowadays (the only one that was a major that i recall was lmbm)
@@atietta bro is glazing a minor, im calling the cops bruh
@@taccm386acola is 18
ミーヤーはジェネシス17位が響いたのかな…
日本の順位に批判的な人もいるみたいだけど、日本は上半期に大型大会が多いから、海外の方々はこれからでしょ
海外(特にNA)はsupernovaが終わると今年は一気に大型大会なくなります😅
BRO SPARG0 AT 9? R U TOTALLY INSANE? 💀💀💀💀
You do realize this ranking released weeks before your comment, right?
man, if Miya didnt choke in two tournaments hurting his rankings, he would've been 1st for sure.
Sparg0 should have been placed higher than 9th.
Acola with the Omori music is soo perfect, he looks just like Sunny.
sparg0の9位最初違和感あったけど冷静に成績見ると順位もそうだけどbest winがsparg0の割には微妙だな。
insane how you can get #1 by farming your own region and raising everyone's rank by dropping a few sets... man
Cry about it.
The good old "US is the center of the world" mentality
@@serpent848 goofy ahh patriots
elite smash the region 😢
Well, Steve was banned in a lot of NA tournaments, it makes sense that he didn't attend events outside of Japan
i’m not the biggest acola fan but the fact that his favourite game is omori makes me like him more now
It would be funny if sonix got second on this year's lumirank
sparg0のときに流れてるbgmなんですか？あと前のルミランクのときに流れ立てたbgmも教えて欲しいです🙇♂
new battle!らしいです
前のspargoの？だったらユニークモンスターですね
@@Lui767 ありました！ありがとうございます😊
Ok so I got 1-5 correct but 6-10 wrong. Congrats to everyone who made it.
Cool video ^^
Tweek, the last hero standing in front of the broken characters and the broken Japanese players XD
Tweek more like the top 1 representing USA😁
Shuton can’t beat Acola or Miya, missed serval top 8s. Didn’t win a major. Yeah he should definitely be the 6th best is the world
Gross😂
He deserved 6th considered other top 10 players bad loss and placement.
? He has a negative record against top 20 players. He didn’t win anything. He missed out on at least 4 top 8s. And couldn’t beat either of the best players in his region in half a year. I love watching Shuton but 6th place for his results is wild
Shinymark should've been on it instead of him
@@MichaelOvules-ep5ti You seem to be intentionally leaving out the important part that all of his top 8 misses were 9th.
Many people may be frustrated with Sparg0's ranking.I understand the temptation to complain here.But all we fans have to do now is cheer him on.He has always fascinated us with his play, first of all, Supernova, and we look forward to seeing him in action!
shadic 7th (below shuton)
sparg0 9th (below tama p)
acola 1st (above miya)
i'm so done with this shit man
My respect for Acola has skyrocketed upon knowing his favourite game is Omori.
Hot take: every placement is deserved...
Omg what will I get for that...? 🍿
we coming to your house to bully you...
Nah bro I should have been top 5
Everything else is okay
@@erickaguirre4888 Ah yes, they just forgot you, that's all
@@vzy8354 No hard feelings. I'll just ask that they give me two placements in the next one.
@@erickaguirre4888 erickaguirre4888, the n°8 and n°1 of 2025 🤣
Fire editing amazing video all around but not including the acola aegis gameplay against spargo was criminal
tey didnt beacuase kagaribi with kowloon took place after 2024.1 ranking season
Spargo had to do something about his non sense rank
Lumi’s ranking is interesting. Everybody’s will be different because they will prioritize and give more weight to certain stats over other things. No ranking will be perfect.
That being said…Lumi’s ranking is interesting
8:37 cue wii sports resort swordfighting music. What a throwback
You don’t understand how difficult it is to get consistently high rankings in a small number of tournaments
最近たまPのベヨネッタが本格的に対策され始めてるからランキング維持難しそう
あとベヨは安定させるの難しそう
rankings 10 light 9 spargo 8 TamaPDaifuku 7 shadic 6 shuton 5 tweek 4 hurt 3 sonix 2 miya 1 acola
This is one of the lists of all time
Acola is rewarded for not attending ??? Miya definitely deserves #1 more
To anyone critiquing the results of players, imagine every dub & L in a season as earning & losing points, with players like Sparg0 & Light never earned as many points when compared to the last season, so they dropped from their rankings.
Players like Tweek & Miya shot up, whereas players like Sonix & Acola sustained theres.
It won't work, they only want to complain regardless
i love that Shuton’s favorite hobby is pokémon sleep 💀💀💀
no. It's Monster Strike.
I feel like Sparg0 at 9 is only because he hasn't gone to many tournaments so far this year, cause there's no way that Shuton and Tweek are currently better than Sparg0
Tweek won 2 Super Majors and has a winning record against Sonix, better wins and losses, his worst ranking was 17th. Tell me how Sparg0 did better.
My tier
SSS Game 5 Acola
SS Acola,Miya,Sonix
S+ hurt,sparg0
S Shadix,tweek,Zackray(in Kagaribi),light
A+ Shuton,Muteace,Glutony,TamaP,Doramigi,Raru
P MkLeo
So many people in this comment section don’t know how to read stats. If you want Sparg0 and Sonix to be 1 and 2 this past season make your own ranking based on vibes and NA pride.
1 - spargo o sonix
2 - spargo o sonix
3 - miya
4 -acola
6 years into this game and Light still can’t beat the “gatekeeper of top 10” allegations
Light was 4th in 2022 and 6th/7th in 2023
Can't believe hurt took HALF of all the sets that acola lost
Here are those who come from the supernova 2024
Okay, but who really believes TamaP should be higher than Sparg0? Dude got a 49th. And only one of them was ever in the conversation for being the best in the world.
The japanese glizzing is real.
Sparg0 should've been 6th. The top 5 is all good.
Sparg0 had worse losses. also Japan glazing look at supernova top 8. 5 are Japanese.
Well Tama never missed top 4 twice in a row, while Sparg0 went four tournaments in a row not reaching top 4, and he even got a 33rd.
Sparg0 is definitely a better player in the game's lifespan, but this season in particular Tama was much more consistent.
i know tweek is really good but holy, look at how few tourneys he went to. feel like the system rewards not going to that much stuff because you rack up more "bad" losses
ffs they listed him getting 2nd at a D tier as one of his notable tournaments lmao
see people are making the exact same argument in reverse, saying that japanese players are buffed because they have so many ranked tournaments to attend to.
there are people in top 10 with a lot of tournaments, and people in top 10 with not a lot of tournaments
you cant just look it one ranking you dont like and say "it must be because x is favored"
@@markzuckerberg8067 thats a different argument. you're just saying that because he didnt attend a lot, he doesnt deserve 5th. which is a fair opinion. im just saying that it isnt inherently rewarding inattendance.
@@liampbjray5562 i guess thats fair, i honestly do think japan has an advantage in being higher in the rankings but that does contradict my point about tweek. now that you mention it, i have no clue how tweek actually got this high
Acola had 7 tournaments only and is #1. Shit is wack
Luminosity really threw away their chance to do the funniest thing ever with Sonix, what a shame…