The Steep Spiral - MzeroA Flight Training
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2020
- In this week's video, I am going to explain the Steep Spiral Commercial Pilot Maneuver. I have also added a little bonus footage in this week's video.
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You are literally the best on youtube for these videos, I have used all three "pass your ____ check ride" audio books and they're fantastic!
Thanks for the awesome video, and now I want to practice slips to land from pattern altitude!
Always the consummate professional, and now I see that you're the consummate instructor, too...thank you for your videos and your excellent approach to instructing...it is clear to me, that you are an excellent instructor and advocate for GA and students!
Thank you very much! Happy to hear that it's helping!
Thank you Jason for all your excellent hard work!!!
Love you man because you're such a talented flight instructor! I keep refreshing my skills with you.
I'm going through commercial training right now and your videos really help.
Going through my commercial training now, needed this. Thanks Jason! Great videos as always man.
Happy to help! Thanks for watching!
thanks Jason!! a good pilot is always learning.
Great video Thanks Jason. One of my instructors had me spiral down to a landing at OXR and it was great practice to get the timing correct.
Sounds great! Thanks for watching!
Great job! Really like the step by step...felt like I was there!!
Awesome! Thank you!
Thank you Jason. I have my CPL check ride soon and this is nice to add the the bag of tricks. Thank you.
You bet! Best of luck, and thanks for watching!
Great positional manuver!
Great demo! Helps that you are tall to look out the other side of the plane :)
Excellent video, thank you!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Loved this! These new videos are great with all the different camera angles! You can bet that "Helicopter Holly" 🤣 will be practicing these and most likely slipping too.. ! Great video!
Outstanding! Thanks!
Verry impressed never thought of it.
Thanks!
As a soldier and passenger on a C-130, I have done these over Baghdad International Airport. This was the landing style usually.
Amazing instructor
Thank you for the kind words, and thanks for watching!
All part of our toolbox as pilots. Fun, too. Whee!
GREAT VIDEO! THANKS!
You're welcome!
Very useful approach. Did you keep your wing dipped into the wind side?
Thanks!
Happy to help!
Jason, I am working on my CFI and I am struggling to do this maneuver to the left when sitting from the right seat bc of the sight picture. I can do it without isssues to the same side I am sitting at bc I can see the spot easily. Do you have any suggestions? Checkride coming up in September.
Nice manoeuvres and side slip...and hit the centerline .....
Thanks 👍
Great video! I was never taught the steep spiral during my primary training. My CFI demonstrated it once, and it scared me! Looks much less intimidating now that I see you demonstrate it.
Question: how do you prevent a steep spiral from progressing into a death spiral? I'm thinking that having the power pulled back helps to prevent that, but would be interested in your recommendations.
Once you master the steep spiral, it becomes a very smooth maneuver. At first you can start at a higher altitude and then get lower and lower. The Commercial ACS dictates that you complete 3 360 degree spirals before hitting 1,500ft AGL.
I tell my students to remember a few things:
1. Once power is pulled, trim to best glide (ie 68kts in C-172 SP)
2. Make turns anywhere from 30 - 60 degrees
3. Let the plane do the work, you as the pilot are maintaining the bank and airspeed. You will see the plane will descend in a nice smooth manor.
Thank you, Jason, great stuff as always. I fly 182's mostly but was practicing Steep Spirals today in 172M 160hp. What airspeed do you recommend? I was getting doing around 90 or should I do with flaps and go with slower air speed?
Keep them coming.
I start them at 75 and make sure my speed doesn’t exceed above 90-95
Looked up Ocala Airport, going over diagram. "Wow"!?
So you're basically doing your spiral right at downwind where you would turn base? I'm just a SIM pilot but I will give this a try
I see you say 90-100 kts below. Yet the FAA flying handbook says establish a gliding speed. 65 is best glide in my 172. ACS states +/- 10 knots of specified airspeed. Could you clarify what speed to use on Commercial practical?
I have the same question thx! Great video!
Excellent video. However, it would have also been nice had you included some discussion as to your decision (reason) not to use flaps during the steep spiral - and what affect using full flaps would have over doing the same maneuver with no flaps as was demonstrated in the video clip. Thanks - and keep up the great work!
Don’t confuse the steep spiral and the emergency descent maneuver in which you put full flaps to obtain the greatest descent in the quickest time.
@@airplanegeek893 there has been trigonometry on this. Flaps down is like Vx but down, no flaps is like Vy but down.
Flaps give you a steeper angle of descent, But because you're limited to the top of the white arc, without flaps and just pointing the nose down to Vno, you descend faster.
Everyone should practice these manoeuvres periodically to be confident at the edges of the flight envelope
Great vid. I understood everything except "you can slip for alt. or airspeed, but not both", yet it seemed the slip did both for you? Maybe I don't understand the slip for airspeed part?
Slips add a lot of drag. So you are giving up airspeed and altitude faster than normal.
Super super high on final what do I do? Fly a piper Cherokee 6🙏
I see below that you said aim for a speed of around 90-100 in a Cessna for this. But I've heard some instructors say you want best glide speed (65). Thoughts on that? Thanks.
Hi Ben! That is a great question. The 90-100 kts is typically used due to the load factor imposed while doing the steep spiral. Since you can use up to 60 degrees of bank, you can potentially increase stall speed by 1.4x. This new stall speed could be close to or even higher than your best glide speed. One thing you may practice is performing a steep spiral to 1500 feet AGL and then transitioning to a simulated engine failure where you then pitch for best glide and practice an emergency landing scenario. Hope this answers your question! If you need any help please reach out to us at support@mzeroa.com. Fly safe!
@@MzeroAFlightTrainingGreat video and thanks for sharing it! I believe because you are off loading the wing in a descending steep spiral your stall speed increase is not quite the same as holding a 60 degree bank in a level flight steep turn. Best glide speed in a steep spiral would not be an issue in terms of increased stall speed in this case. Just to throw it out there, I personally prefer to use best glide speed in a steep spiral in an engine out scenario to give a bit more time to get prepared for landing.
What airspeed is held in the spiral at that steep of bank?
Hello! It really depends on the aircraft your flying. In a Cessna or a piper you can expect it to be around 90-100 KTS
Question; if you have a passenger that's ill and must get to the ground right away, is this maneuver approved? Thanks for you opinion ahead of time, first thing that came into my mind.
Great question! If you had an ill passenger, you could use a steep spiral to get down quickly. You'd need to maintain situational awareness and be sure to communicate it.
I would imagine that it could exacerbate the problem if the passenger is already ill. G loading while someone is already throwing up may not be the best combination. I suppose technically it is legal, but I would consider if gentler (albeit slower) maneuvers would be better for the passenger.
@@spelldaddy5386 vomit bag or blanket.
As a 15 year CFII, I've had this happen more than once. DON'T do a steep spiral. Slow the plane down if it's bumpy, and fly with the most gentle maneuvers possible, getting on the ground ASAP, but smoothly. You don't want to make a bad situation worse.
@@curtisb9422 Thanks & roger wilco
What?? No Drogue parachute??
not a pilot ...you are really a great asset to the flying community judging by the videos you have on your channel
Like a steep turn without holding altitude.
c172p you cant slip with flaps extended
There might be some Cessnas that have limitations when they had 40 degrees of flap extension. On the 172 P, SP, and S they have 30 degrees of flap extension and there is no limitations on full flaps and slips with them. Check your owner's manual to be sure. I'd love to hear Jason's take it on it though.
@@DUBaviator True, but slipping with flaps doesn't show the student the pure effect of the slip alone, which is a good reason to slip with zero flaps.