Destiny 2 Lore - Bungie's response to feedback is looking encouraging, so is Echoes Act 2.
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Destiny 2's Lore and Story from the Episodes is getting a revamp. Changes coming to The Revenant and Heresy Episodes later in the year are going to help to change up the way that the story content of each act is delivered to us. We're also getting more narrative content in Act 2 of Echoes & we'll be exploring the secrets of the Conductor, Nessus and Saint more in this act.
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It’s amazing how a response drastically increases or decreases people’s confidence in something, myself included
Not that it justifies bad results, but seeing passionate and caring devs softens what would otherwise be a terrible release of something. Like I know they're trying their best and good God do I fuck up too sometimes.
On the positive side seeing positive and responsive devs release amazing content just fucking fuels a strong community bond and love for the game. Makes you feel a part of it.
It's the bad actors and outspoken ones that make being open and responsive tough, but I do think it goes such a long way with the non-toxic people.
They’re just words.
The same words they’ve been saying since Curse of Osiris
Lol.
faithless player base
@@MrMurder0321 6 years later and you're still butt hurt over Curse of Osiris? Seek help.
Dear Byf and Team, Please take a vacation and recuperate. Thanks for what you do for this community!
What is this unheard of Byf Team Coup that you want them to do, again?
@@haydenwillmott4687 meant “recuperate” but wrote it short handed. Adjusted for clarity.
@@MasterElloThere people usually say "recoup" for shorthand. Coup has a whole different meaning haha
@@HaloEchoe419 lol used “recoup” originally but it caused confusion anyways 😔😔😔 I tried 😭
I agree.. Byf is amazing. The work he puts into his channel astounds me. Totally amazing. Definitely deserves a long break.
It would be interesting if we had more changes in Nessus, like the changes in the last mission of Act 1, and if there were more secrets around Nessus and we actually saw the Vex behave differently as said in the lore. Seeing Vex moving differently or Vex fighting against each other or Vex building and destroying Vex structures around the planetoid
sounds like the exotic mission in act 3 is “the biggest by far” and “pushes the limits of what’s possible” and “drastically changes nessus” so even if act 2 doesn’t have super extreme changes in nessus, it IS coming
Non yoked vex fighting precursor vex would be cool
The thing about The Vex moving differently, we actually see that with the Vex in the mission with Saint-14, for like a split second. The Vex animations were actually slightly tweaked! I just wish we saw more of it...
If the other planets of Sol return, I hope we see them changed as well. I'd quit Destiny 2 years ago after the Red War, and never really explored Mercury or Mars. It would probably be asking a lot from a developer's standpoint to make all eight planets in Sol possible to visit/explore, but I'd prefer the option, before we seemingly explore horizons beyond Sol.
@@garrettviewegh9028 Speaking of these planets, I wonder if the remaining planets taken by the Witness returned to the Sol system. Mars and Titan returned, but where are Mercury and Io?
My first thought for where we were going to go for a "storied location" was to go back to the Deep Stone Crypt. Go back to it and see what is going on with that woman Saint saw in his visions where we thought it was the Gardener/Traveller. See what she meant by her messages to Saint.
As someone with a job, i didn’t mind the weekly quests at all. Im glad tho that the hardcore gamers can now play the way they want
This only gives everyone more freedom in how we want to manage our time. You can still play it in weekly bites if that fits your schedule better.
Yeah same. This is a net positive change.
Some weeks with work yeah I only had time for the weekly quest. Some weeks I’d have no time. Other weeks I’d have a lot of time. For season of the deep and wish I just waited til the story was over and banked the quests, then knocked it all out on a week I had a lot of time.
Now I won’t have to do that. If it’s a week I have a lot of time I can do more if I want.
As I just commented, I work full time and also do instacart as a side gig and even the weekly drip feed didn't feel like enough. After an hour, maybe 2 hours tops of playing, I'd finish the week's contend and be like "well, time to wait another week and go back to grinding strikes or playing some other game."
In the event Venus isn't it, I have a few other options that would work for Vex related stories, but honestly I am in agreement the most likely is Venus.
- The Pyramidion. Sure its on IO, but I remember hearing that the internal structure is in its own space, and it was just the entry on IO. There should be another entry point on Mars. Unlikely though because Avalon likely covers everything relating to it
- The Black Garden. That said, we've returned to it so much I don't know if we should consider this a return.
- The Leviathan - It ate the previous planetary core of Nessus, so we might return there to investigate the remains of Argos, for example. Not to mention the excessive amount of Vex that Calus stored in the menagerie. Arguably the biggest stretch of the 3 alternate locations.
Leviathan would be a banger
Would also give the chance for levi as the next remastered raid (adept midnight pleeeeease)
Infinitely prefer the "Get the story in one big chunk each Act" approach, not just conceptually but because it means there's less mandatory filler. The story gets to be arranged into its three story beats for the season/episode, but without the filler weeks of "We just had a story beat, we're a month out from the next story beat, so here, have... one conversation and one radio message." So many weeks in seasonal stories just felt like the narrative equivalent of styrofoam packing peanuts, and I'd genuinely rather have nothing happening than just *that.*
definitely, I play destiny casually and have a lot to do in the game whenever i'm done with the weekly story, but I would always keep fidgeting between menus, feeling like the act mission isn't done yet and I could do more, but no, I need to wait another year. It'll be nice to finish an act in one chunk and then focus on other things
This is the correct take. People have lives. This is the sort of change that might get me to come back to D2 after leaving it due to its shitty mobile-tier practices.
@@Gabdubei think i understand what you mean with mobile tier, but not sure.
May i ask for an elaboration?
@@greystorm9974 grindy, does not respect the value of your time even in paid content; reinforces repetitive routine behaviors to pad active user numbers, etc. Basically, modern MMO tropes.
@@Gabdube thanks for the explanation. I see where you are coming from.
Heres the thing, the crowd who will just run through the content day 1, they have a cheap wooden peg leg to stand on because 'the lack of content' is entirely their fault and everyone around, maybe even bungie themselves, will clown them for it.
Yea, it's going to come down to personal pacing. Even if I could blow through it all in a week, I'd still appreciate some breathing room for other games.
And for some reason they’ll refuse to acknowledge the rest of the game they could be playing. As well as the option to NOT clock in 20 hours per week into the game
It might be the Deep Stone Crypt we're revisiting, since there's talk of Exo origins
It would be a massive L if they did that because Seraph's Shield already reuses large parts of DSC. For that reason, I doubt it.
I like big narrative dumps. Especially right after I’ve had my narrative morning coffee.
When I heard “we’ve been hearing our fans” I cried tears of joy
probably helps that Sony might be having Bungie pay close attention to feedback cause of... well... you know.
@@itsaslimeo Sony's recent track record of fucking up everything they've had a hand in tells me this is NOT what happened.
Why? So they sell us more cosmetics for 20$?
@@tiudesvx5400if ur talking abt sony, yeah thats prolly qhat they want. If ur talkin abt the devs, they just want a good game
"we've been hearing our fans" is what they all say
literally every time
Did you notice how the euphony design looks like the fingers of the witness?
I like the “play the whole story at the start of day one” because that means I can give more attention to other things in the game I.e. raids, dungeons, GMs, the seasonal activity, and old triumphs. As well as things outside the game like anime, tv shows, other games
Hey Bungie here’s another experiment I want you to try out: actually permanently add in the changes and updates to the Patrol environments introduced by the Seasons and Episodes. Add the Lucent Hive Architecture and Enemies to the Cosmodrome and Moon. Actually add the Shadow Legion Enemies and Architecture to the European Dead Zone. Add the Fallen Pirate Architecture to Europa and the Cosmodrome. Actually add the new beautiful terraformed Nessus flora and architecture to Nessus. Hell, add the Dread to Neomuna! So it’s not just the Tormentors you find of the Dread species there.
This way, even if new players don’t get to experience those old seasons, they can see the enemy location changes and additional architecture caused by the seasons and episodes. A visual story and effects, making the Seasons actually feel like something that happened in history. Please!!
Btw video starts at 2:19 ;)
back to the hall of whispers on venus? 👀 we've never really gotten an explanation for being recognized as Dr. Shim iirc. Ties into Vex and Maya directly
We need to get our money's worth (lorewise), so it feels like if this season is a story about Maya Sundaresh trying something out with the vex and playing with Saint's mind a little, before we blow her to bits- what's it worth? Visiting the Infinite Forest feels like a dead end, too, but there can be dozens of things the Vex are cooking up in there with significant lore relevance and Saint's connection to it might draw us there. Going to Venus? For what? A tour? Nothing there. The Black Garden? That might be it. We could get some massive bombshells there about the nature of the universe AND let's not forget the Ishtar collective logo we found there in the Season of the Wish. That is probably where we are going! Take care, Byf.
If I had to guess it will likely be a parallel of Saint’s identity crisis going back into the Infinite Forest for Maya (assuming she is actually the Conductor) looking for Chioma. I think we’ll see an actual played out version of the Veil Containment logs basically of Maya going power and control crazy and Chioma being afraid of her. So I imagine Maya will have an obsession with finding “her” Chioma in the Infinite Forest being so far gone that she can’t accept that Chioma can’t accept the changes Maya undergoes.
We could also see a sort of House of Wolves / Sundial 2.0 incident where The Conductor tried to change the past and make it so that with the Echo the vex have always been under her control and change major aspects of history to whatever their end goals are.
Bringing back Mercury / Infinite Forest seems to be the most logical step for me as I don’t see the benefit in bringing a whole new Venus and Dreadnaught in the same year especially if Venus is only going to be for a short amount of time. Black Garden also feels a bit too repetitive seeing as how Wish had a major focus on the Black Garden and that’s almost always tied in with Sol Divisive, whereas The Conductor’s Vex all seem to resemble the Mercury styled Vex. I could be totally wrong with all this but that’s my guess as to where we’re going to see. Possibly even the location for the exotic quest so that they can keep the work of the infinite forest around longer after a potential sunsetting of Echoes
@@broderickfoster2107 That's a very good point! Very good argument for the Infinite Forest. Do you have any theories for the next act? They seemingly left out a setting entirely, they only mentioned Riis as a former home. There is the new Riis on Europa?
Before you take a break, @Aztecross thinks it is the 'European Dead Area' not the EDZ. Thus proving, even the most traveled D2 player, can have no idea of the lore and background. Thank you for the service you provide in that regard. I've learned more about the game's story, lore, etc thanks to you than I have playing it.
You sure hes not just trolling to promote community engagement
@@ThePresidentofMars possibly, but he was in a rather heated criticism of build battle submissions he was getting, made him seem quite triggered.
Or it’s just misspoken…
@@UilliamNebelHereticclassic aztecross bait for attention
Seems like just people are just picking at semantics there. The difference between 'area' and 'zone' is pretty negligible. Everyone obviously knows what he means. If he wants to say 'area', why be so bothered by it?
To be fair they did say starting with Act 2 during the livestream and had to correct themselves in a tweet too
I hope that the move away from weekly drip feed results in more consistent plot pacing. Too many of the seasonal stories have big intros and big endings, but the story from week 3 to week 4 to week 5 just feels like the plot is being moved *just* enough to make you care. Season of the Haunted had my favourite storytelling of any season, and part of that is because it was rewarding and engaging the whole way through as we went from crow to zavala to caityl. Here's hoping the lack of a rigid weekly drip feed makes the pacing more natural
I'm very interested to see how this format works. I personally have grown tired of the weekly drops of content so being able to do it all in one go or at my own pace I think will be good. HOWEVER. I think depending on the narrative of any future episodes stories it may benefit from a weekly system. Going by Byf';s example on a previous video. Season of the splicer and season of the chosen worked well as weekly drops because it fit the narrative of those stories.
It may help to have some episodes drop all at once, some weekly and maybe mix a bit of both. A few weeks worth of content in one go followed by some weekly drops if it fits story wise. That's just me however, either way I'm glad Bungie has payed attention to the feedback so I'm more hopeful for future episodes after heresy.
Exactly this. Even tho poeple won't like it. The weekly wait should stay in a way to pace the story where it is needed.
My money for the "storied location" is the black garden. It feels relevant both for the episode (because Vex) and because of the Winnower stuff
@@TheCyberGoblin The way Bungie mentioned that short visit to a location, they made it sound special, like something the community would love. We've been to the Black Garden plenty of times, it wouldn't mean anything. The clear connections between the Conductor and Maya make me think we're going to the Ishtar Sink.
black garden is hardly special anymore
I'm not sure since we recently revisited it twice last season with Riven's exotic mission and then the seasonal finale destroying the Black Heart again. We also touched it in Lightfall's exotic mission previously. The only way they could really make it worth what they think is a 10hr video is if they massively shook it up somehow by, for example, growing a new Tree of Silver Wings in there or having us access it from the Pale Heart implying that the Traveller is intimately connected to it.
If we're going back to the Black Garden again, I'm hoping that we're literally going up into the big mesa/stump at the Horizon.
@@TheCyberGoblin we’ve been quite a bit, to me the corridors of time makes the most sense with the way the story is focused around saint now
I would point out that while the devs spoke about releasing the Narrative content for each Act for Episodes Two and Three all at once, I don’t recall them mentioning any planned change to the cadence of Seasonal Challenges in particular.
While we may indeed be able to knock out all the storyline beats for a given Act in the space of a single sitting upon release starting with Episode Two, the possibility (likelihood?) that Challenges continue being released on a weekly basis may lead to further complaints from the “let me do everything at once” crowd.
Of course we’ll have to wait and see how the Challenges are handled alongside the change in Narrative pacing when it is implemented before drawing any firm conclusions.
The new release cadence was what I thought it would be in the beginning. Seemed like a pointless change if everything was still going to be weekly. But doing it this way gives players time to focus on other parts of the game IMO.
I appreciate them moving to a model where a whole act is playable right away, but I just hope whatever those episodes get for the first act is far more meaty than what we had for Echoes. Act 1 is basically an interesting opening premise followed by a whole bunch of nothing and then a short mission with a cliffhanger ending to set up the second act where the real meat is, and I'd have been just as disappointed with it playing in one go as I was week to week I think.
One thing that does make me sad about this.
This means we will never get something like Season of the Splicer again, where the weekly format heightened the story so it was the best season.
I do hope this goes well, but I definitely worry about those six dead weeks and how that will affect the community.
Like, Saint has just had an encounter with the conductor and has an existential crisis… and we just wait six weeks to do anything? That sounds like poor pacing that could really hurt the story.
So crazy theory, maybe this is a perfected rasputin from our mind when we were in the traveler. Like the god one that clovis thought of, he could be trying to figure out what he is through saint and questioning if hes the right one cause rasputin would be the first of his kind. It would also make sense with how they're able to control all the vex so effectively since he controlled all the warminds and was a super ai. Not to mention he was obsessed with music and it was his favorite thing about humanity.
Good on you to correct your mistake (one that many of us would make, honestly). Enjoy your break Byf!
i blame the stream honestly, they kept tripping over their words
Hello Byf, I hope you have a wonderful break because you deserve it. I would like for you to know that I am and have been using your content for my big college essays as I talk about Bungie as a company. You are a creditable source as you speak for the lore community and Destiny community, making sure you are have your sources straight. Your videos have royally helped me in my English Classes and I greatly appreciate you!
was excited to see you cover this
"Three Big Dumps..."
Byf, please! Haha
it was really weird that i read this as he said it lmao
I desire Byf carnally
😦😦😦😦😦😦
Apparently when "translated to English", "I desire Byf" means "I desire to live". huh.
@connorgriffiths3174 yes apparently that's the correct statement
Enjoy your vacation Byf! I'm looking forward to the new narrative format 😀
I think the best thing about them moving away from weekly seasonal story stuff is that they already started splitting the seasonal content into 3 parts (or acts). I feel like this makes the perfect middle ground between the 2 major viewpoints on how they want to play through the seasonal content. Its still spaced out into 3 parts, but now you also dont have to log in every week to stay up to date. I feel like it opens the window of time where people can do irl stuff, get invested into other games, etc. You don't have to worry about trying to predict which week will have the lore drop, or the exotic quest activates, or whatever else could happen.
I can understand if people just aren't invested in a certain seasonal storyline, or find the missions/activities boring, but I feel like this is the perfect sweet spot for how the seasonal content should be released. If anyone is complaining about it going forward i'd be kinda shocked personally. That or just not really trust that person to give reasonable/valuable feedback on the game lol.
Enjoy the vacation byf!
I gotta say, i'm interested to see how this works. Feels like it would flow better. That said, my issue with Destiny 2 seasons has never really been about the story deliver, it's mainly been about all the FOMO+battlepass stuff. I'm excited to see how this turns out
Lesgoooo I’m excited to see it when they said we’re gonna see some old stuff Lore people are gonna get excited about, and I totally guessed Venus was it and I’m so excited especially if it has something to do with the Afore mentioned “big exotic mission” . Worth it to get excited over the stuff you can ykyk 🤙🏻💜 glad your taking a break Byf I know burnout is tough have good vacation tho
The "everything at once" was what I thought was gonna happen with Episodes from the start, it's what I thought differentiated them from seasons along with a story focus. When act 1 was weekly I was a bit disappointed. Glad to see they were still gonna do it.
Have a great vacation Byf.
You deserve it
Always good to take a break brother!🎉🎉
I think that full act story drops on day one of each might not be the answer to the drop cadence, but I’m super interested to see how it goes. Also I’m a bit confused on the whole saint thing. My understanding is that we pulled the real saint out of a section of his time within the vex network, but he thinks he’s a simulation which I’m like 80% confident he can’t be since he can wield the light, which the vex can’t simulate as I recall.
Love your video content. But yes, please take some time off and joy your moment with others. We can patiently wait for your return as the upcoming content will take time digging in and explore. You too, Martin. You guys are the best!
I just hope the episode drops feel substantial. Sometimes I worry that the team hides behind the weekly feed (extended seasons really help you see it). I also hope the battlegrounds activities are engaging.
Couple of things... The Vex are channeling radiolaria into Nessus' core... Wouldn't it be something if the Vex are trying to build their own version of a Death Star/War Moon/Unicorn/Megamaid by becoming a giant planetoid unit? After all their bodies are nothing but frames or containers so that wouldn't be out of the questions....
Second as exciting Vex developments are I'm also really excited about the split that's happening in the Eliksni camp. Mithrax and House light is the official good light aligned camp, House Dusk is shaping up to be the rogue sorta light aligned house that probably sees the Echo as a way to get close (in their own way) to the power of the light but carry on being raiders. On the darkness end of the spectrum you got what's left of Salvation and more extreme Fikrul's lot. This is going to make for some killer stories...
I think this is a very welcome and positive change. I think the new episode model of 3 acts dropping at different times is what allows them to make this change in story delivery, the individual story beats dropping at once but with a period between each one so that the remaining 3 months aren’t left without any content. I think it will be a success and I agree that in episode heresay we will see its full potential where the story is carved around this type of delivery. The other thing of cors is their improved response to feedback and increased communication. This new bungie since into the light has transformed the game and I honestly love the game atm. They have renewed my faith in them and I have full confidence in anything wrong or an issue the community has is dealt with moving forward.
I'm open to seeing how the experiment plays out! I don't mind the weekly delivery, however it's worth seeing how something different lands
The remaking of Nessus with much greenery does give me Venus vibes too, possibly coincidence but the likely Maya Sunderesh connection too means that's where my money is for the "storied location"
This seems like a win-win to me. People get their story in bulk and there's still a reason to log in; whether it's the activity or sometime before the next Act.
Another possibility for an important location we’ve been to before is deep stone crypt. Recall that the echoes trailers featured a lot of deep stone crypt objects and featured exos, like that experimentation room with the exo corpse
There was a point where the Vex appeared in Oryx's Court and Crota was thrown into the portal to fight them to prove himself. Would very much love to go on the dreadnaught again
Was the shift to dumping the Act stories at once confirmed for Episode 3? I know it was confirmed for Episode 2 but I don't recall anything being said about 3
After not playing the seasonal story for the entirety of Lightfall I managed to take advantage of the extended season of the wish to play through all four in sequence and it wasn’t a bad experience at all. I think this was a good move.
It’s probably a lot to ask from bungie but, I’ve always wanted seasons to be like actual dlc campaigns, but also have some weekly updates or some secret mission that happens, and I feel like there should be some times where we do our seasonal stuff but also something else has happened that has nothing to do with the season, maybe the dlc but like some consequence of our actions happen on some random place and it’s like a mini side quest but it comes with some special gear, something secret to keep us interested
Or like we have a bunch of new side quests from people in the last city, tower, edz, anywhere that just puts a bit more depth into the game where we communicate with npc’s and have side quests that could be anything from like repairing a house or town, to saving some kid or killing some local evil
Is anyone else worried that Failsafe might be compromised? Like, before we knew anything about the Choral Vex, The Conductor, or any of the other music analogies, she was saying, "The Vex are singing with a new voice in a different key". That seems worrisome.
I’m happy that they’re getting rid of the weekly time gate. However, didn't Bungie say in a previous stream before TFS released that they weren't going to time gate anymore? I thought that was the whole reason why people were upset about this first act because it didn't deliver on that promise. Or am I just crazy?
Honestly all im waiting for is actual locational changes for nessus, i was fine with act 1 overall, it wasnt crazy and had some fun moments here and there, but the only thing that soured me was going to locations that had changes to their environments in the open world and the places not being changed. Which is very strange considering i walked back to the location where the echo supposedly crash landed and it was still there so changing the location itself is very much possible, im just guessing there hasnt been physical changes in act 1 to solidify that things are still changing with the world and nothing in act 1 really mentioned nessus undergoing changes, it seems that the final mission was the first one that really questions "huh, where did all this radiolaria get drained?" leading into act 2.
I like both models of storytelling and yet relate to both being drip fed and/or dry periods of content.
It would be fun to have both the episodes of meatier main story given us and perhaps lesser relevance weekly side content. I recommend to Bungie bringing back factions and making certain changes based off of weekly community faction support. Stories of life in the Last City.
While I do hope the break you have is about a week or so, if you feel like you need to truly rest and spend time with your loved ones for a bit, go ahead. We know you’ve done so much for us so you as always, deserve a break, same with Martin. I wish you’d do literal live reactions to trailers and livestreams and even moments from the seasonal story week. The vanilla reactions are always the best. Just something to consider but as always, the trailer breakdowns you give are awesome as always, just wishing you had facecam on and you react right when a trailer is about to come out. Take Care Byf and we’ll see you in the next video.
Also, I think Allison mentioned how the echoes isn’t just a memory of the Precursors but other civilizations that were absorbed into it. What are your thoughts on that? Could this echo perhaps not be based on the Precursor civilization but another ancient one? Maybe the first one the Witness visited after its initial creation?
I don't really think the issue is the weekly delivery of story. I think its more tied to how each week is structured like its, talk to seasonal vendor - go do thing (usually in seasonal activity) - then unique-ish story bit - then back to seasonal vendor. If releasing all the content in one go still follows this cadence between each of the story beats it's still going to be more the same. The structure is too predictable right now, hopefully the way the link the story is switched up.
I just hope we get to see the vex on vex conflict we've been hearing about in the other parts of Echoes
Goddamn bots got here first. Anyway, keep up the great work Byf.
Report them until they disappear.
@@Catalyst375 That only works if youtube actually cares
I can say this with some confidence, yt has been on top of getting rid of comment bots, reporting them actually has a nice chance of doing your part
I hope its a change for the better, i just hope it isnt what we already get but all in one go, because that means a few missions and then 30+ days of waiting for act 2.
We got a start mission, 1 or 2 weeks of nonsense and then 1 more main mission and had to wait 20 days for act 2.
Thats what people are crying for. They forget that 3 days into the new content they will be bored again.
@@Askanison29 Good. Then they can play a different game. You don't have to play Destiny every single day for hours. Just log on every week, do the shit you want to do and then play a different game. Or even better go do some irl shit, learn a new hobby or whatever. Also lets be fucking honest, the actual story literally provides like an hour or 2 of content every week at best.
You had to wait two weeks, not 3. It's your fault that you couldn't contain yourself and did it all on tuesday right when it came out.
I will never understand this mentality. There are a stupid amount of games out there that can give you something to do until act 2 hits. There's no way the only game you play ever is Destiny 2. If that's the case, what the hell do you expect. If you only play 1 game forever, you're gonna have droughts.
I keep hearing the situation described as a power vacuum, but the Witness' power was something that was sourced by its own structure that we destroyed.
While the echoes are a source of power, there is no real "seat" that's missing a leader, nobody can just step into the Witness' shoes and gain his power. The terminology has me somewhat confused
I think for this to work, we REALLY need the weeks in between each act reduced, Maybe an act each month? 4 weeks for an act seems decent and still gives bungie 3 months per episode, if time is such a serious issue, maybe an extra 2-3 weeks between episodes? Plan it around holidays so holiday events take place in between episodes to prevent a content drought? Personally I cant see full releases followed by a 6 week wait for the next release feeling good
May I bet it’s either Vault of Glass or Black Garden? Also the stump of silver wings is the representation on the Dual Destiny call-outs that come from Vow of the Disciple
I want them to be flexible in their seasonal story deliveries. As you pointed out the weekly build up really severed some stories. It would take real time for Eris to collect tribute.
Doing Season of the Witch in 3 content lumps would be to it's detriment.
Frankly, I hope they use the tools and times that best serve the story. 3 lumps. Time gated and lumps, or even stealing the raid mechanics, and unlocking content as the community hits public or hidden goals.
My first thought on the storied location was Venus. A mission to the Ishtar Collective to collect research and shoot Vex in their milk boxes.
I much prefer the story dropping in one lump; however it's delivered I play through it as a priority, so all the weekly gating does is break up the story. It's not like there's a huge duration of story each week either; less than 2 hours, and that's stopping to hear every voice line, not bothering to use an optimised build, and doing all the optional vendor stuff(i.e. sample collection this Episode). It has never been the bulk of the weekly content; that has been the Rituals, Seasonal Activities, repeatable Quests (e.g. Xur's Cipher Quest whose name currently escapes me, but starts with 'Xeno'), rotating Raids/Dungeons/Exotic Missions, and Bounties.
Y’all definitely deserve this break. The quality and quantity of content Byf and the team have put out since TFS release is insane. Enjoy your vacation guys!
I am kinda glad they are taking theit time with echos. Its possible that for the episodes we might see real changes to existing locations and expansion on some areas. Due to that and what we know of bungie code its realy possible they need the time to make sure bungies code does not break. Echos likely will be a test if this is true but be cautious in the next episode as if i am right then they might have a few map issues
Excited to experience the full story all at once at my pace for each Act. Hoping it will give me the same vibes as my playthrough of Final Shape. The response from Bungie is the highlight of this for me, over everything.
I wonder if lore wise mission has something to do with the Prymaridian Strike location, it was shown briefly in the Echoes Trailer cutscene if I'm not mistaken
Week by week works very well for me due to my work schedule. My biggest fear is spoilers as others that do have the ability to burn through each acts story will post videos, tweets, and other spoilers ruining the experience for those who don't have the luxury of free time. I'm bummed out.
Exactly
It’s literally just like the campaign
I always do it on legendary with my friends and we beat it slower than everyone else and then anytime I’m on RUclips I see spoilers
I’m not going out of my way to do that I use RUclips for more than JUST destiny but seeing spoilers in titles and thumbnails on the home page is just so infuriating
And I can’t always stop using the internet till it’s beat cuz we all have different schedules so if we get stuck on a part we might have to wait till the next day to try and beat it
This change does nothing but hurt anyone who doesn’t play the game for 1000+ hours a day and then complain the game is boring
So stupid
@@SepticEmpire my thoughts exactly. I do like that Bungie is listening to feedback and options on how to play is good but for those who enjoy experiencing the story themselves this will pretty much kill that for us if we don't have the time to run it all at once. I will usually take like 2 days off work for expansions but that is not feasible for seasonal content. And yeah unfortunately it's basically impossible to avoid spoilers so yeah I'm bummed out.
Oh noooo the extremely convoluted and nonsensical 5 mins of story might be spoiled?!
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I used to only see the counter argument being "Oh you are just speedrunning past every mission" before dripfeed.
After dripfeed i saw complaints of both.
personaly i dont mind either model, weekly dripfeed or content dump, i just play what i get and as much as i can from it since i simply like the game despite its ups and downs.
that aside, the way bungo is currently, handles feedback / adresses it and in general the direction destiny is going makes me happy. thinking back to the shitstorm from last year pre into the light update and all that it feels like a 180 and you can see it in the vibe the community is giving off nowadays
What do The Fallen think about the Vex? Old school Eliksni worship machines don't they? In season of the Splicer Misraaks helps guide us through the Vex network, but the tone of his commentary seems to be more curiosity based, rather than one of reverence - do they not see these ancient machines as sacred beings? I don't feel like I've heard much about their opinion on the Vex species, but maybe I've just missed a bunch of stuff...?
Also in the video Byf says the new battlefield locations we'll be exploring will be yet more Vex architecture, but didn't some of the promotional stuff for this episode talk about unearthing an ancient civilisation? I mean the Vex are ancient sure, I just got the impression it would be something else. Nessus' original inhabitants or something
So many terms for the content drops this year that I don't know what anything is anymore.
The only sad thing about gcx marathon is that is so close from sgdq that its a bit hard to donate to both great causes. Take your time and have a nice rest Byf ;)
It's good to see bungie being quick on the uptake when it comes to feedback. Now, let's just hope they update nessus Patrol to match the big changes going on. Otherwise, it's going to get weirder as more of the planet changes in the missions.
This small change would have been nice for act 2 and onwards. Starting in episode 2 is a ridiculously slow reaction. We’ll have to wait for future episodes after episode 3 in this case for some real change.
I always fell off the seasonal content and waiting for y’all to tell us the season finale was out and to check it out.. so hopefully this will be better!
I hope they can blend the seasonal story model into that more cohesive experience properly. Because if it goes help, seasonal activity, mission, helm, repeat. I think it might feel bad
I cant say I minded the waiting all too much beyond a little frustration but Im really glad you can knock it out all at once if you want
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Y'know. It may be a past location on a Dungeon. Its strange that nobody is talking about the dungeons.
I'm hyped for the new Act-to-Act experiment.
I'm the kind of person who prefers movies to TV shows because I have the attention span of a 2cm wide strip of dental floss, so this definitely has my approval.
The one thing I hope to see in this episode is the Vex equivalent of a Dartboard of Hate with Clovis Bray's face stuck to it.
Make it absolutely crystal-clear that even the emotionless Vex don't like him XD
I am very interested to see how they can do a big patch like what traditional MMO's do. Having tried playing Destiny 2 in different ways since I came back, I usually found the Seasons that I came back and played after everything was released have been my favorites. It is good to be able to take breaks and play something else to help fight off burn out. I hope it goes well and that they learn new and different ways to engage the player base.
i hope the weekly targets are still remaining though because it gives you a boost each week to try to complete those challanges.
I hope this means that Episodes will be structured more like mini-campaigns, maybe even have a repeatable legendary version?
Get some well-deserved rest, boss! We'll be right here eagerly waiting for your return!
You deserve a break man, take your time and we'll be here when you get back
they need to tell us what their thoughts are on permanently changing patrol areas to reflect narrative changes. i have seen so much feedback and so many people say they want it to change and actually be the evolving game bungie wants it to be but we never hear anything on this topic ever.
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I trust Byf's foresight. Mostly because he's my go-to for narrative I miss or overlooked. Then I go bother my cousin for story time.
I like the current format. I don’t have all day and night to play. This puts me behind and the people who play 12 to 16 hours a day will be done with the content and as you said bored with the game and not playing until the next drop. Thanks for all you do Byf keep up the great work.
Take it or leave it this is my idea. I think, as far as episodes go, they should be staggered. Depending on the story line. If things are blitzkrieg two or 3 combat missions. Then objective accomplished, (compile data, maybe some cut scenes the next week), then build off of that and change things up. I know it will be tough but different departments have alternating duties and it is unpredictable
I think it can work. Maybe one week you just travel to a location and have a conversation, then the next week all hell breaks loose. Then the next week regular story mission gathering intel. Would love this to work. Only hame that has kept dragging me back for the las 10 years
being the filthy casual i am, ive really not minded the drip fed story of the seasonal model, i come home tuesday, check the everrverse helpings, get a new chunk of plot, maybe grind up some rituals if i feel like it and come back the weekend for xur, take my time nice and easy
I will say, when Allison was talking about the visions for the story, specifically about how Act 1 was like, as you say, a "lighthearted romp across Nessus with Failsafe and Saint and Osiris and descends into a darker story where Saint is questioning his own personhood," it perked up my ears.
I'm unsure how that part was meant to be interpreted. What I mean is, when Bungie said that, did they mean they just wanted that idea to be their main focus for Act 1, or were they hoping that that general idea would be what we latched onto for ourselves as we played thru Act 1? When they say that, are they talking about their focused vision, or their hopes for our first interpretations?
Because, to me, Act 1 was anything BUT lighthearted. If Bungie was trying to get us to be all like "oohh yay the Witness is dead, we can throw parties for the rest of our lives and bask in the rainbows and sunshine!1!!" then they failed. Going into Act 1 I was just like "well, Witness is dead, but now we've got newer problems on our hands that we can't just blame the Witness for. What the HECK is going on now?" It didn't feel lighthearted, but rather just like one big sigh of "here we go again."
Now, that's not to say I don't like the story, because I do like it. This is just on whether or not Bungie wanted us to get that message of "Act 1 should be lighthearted fun until Saint goes missing then it goes dark," because like I said earlier, I did not feel that way at all. It always felt dark due to the lack of concrete knowledge of anything (besides rumors and such, but that's with everything lol).
I prefer getting the story in one big chunk, but I am scared we will get the: Seasonal activity > story beat > seasonal activity > story beat and so on.
If we get all the story in 1 go, ie Seasonal activity > All story beats and its all done in 30-40 mins, it will still leave a negative sentiment I think.
Episodes were sold as a different way of telling stories, and a way for Bungie to tell bigger stories than seasons allowed. So far Episode 1 has not delivered that. I am cautiously optimistic though. Season 1 was often the weakest of an expansions, so I am hopeful the next two episodes get bigger :D
Take your break fella, you two have more than earned it
I think the change is great, but i still wish we saw more actual physical changes to Nessus. Not just in missions but also in general patrol areas as well.
I 100% prefer the weekly drop model. It gives me something to come back to every week since I don't play everyday. It also strings out the story (in a good way) so there isn't a lengthy content drought at the end of a season/episode. I honestly don't know why people care that much either way. All the other non seasonal story content in the game is still there to be played regardless. I enjoy having something new every week even if it is a snippet.
Absolutely love the video Byf! Please, you and the rest of your team, take a break and have a vacation! The reason your content is so amazing is because you know how to take care of us, but you also take care of yourself. The community thanks you for everything you’ve done for this game, enjoy a well-earned vacation after the amazing content that you’ve put out recently! I know I speak for the whole community when I say we can wait, we enjoy your quality over your quantity!