Im noticing a pattern here. A lot of people are analysing Blake's legal docs down to the last punctuation mark but quoting Justin's only in generalisations. And thats why they're missing all the glaring contradictions. Like they're looking for "gotchas" and "ahas" in blakes because they already decides not to believe her no matter what, but not closely analysing Justin's because they've already decided they believe him already and will continue to regardless of evidence.
His case makes zero sense at a very basic level. You have to ignore everything known about cell, extractions, court transcripts, and how emoji’s work, and then also somehow think Steph jones carefully hired an attorney to seize the phone, specifically to establish a legal chain of custody as an officer of the court, AND THEN just randomly committed about 50 felonies to answer subpoenas and file lawsuits with forged documents. And then, you gotta also think the emoji somehow ‘magically’ reverses the meaning of all his texts, and yet still somehow exactly matches all his texts, nines the emoji the didn’t need to take out anyway because they are just normally not there. AND THEN somehow, again ‘magically’ those ‘reversed’ texts now just ‘appear’ to perfectly corroborate her totally fake allegations that never happened, and she set all of this up months in advance to save her reputation that hadn’t even tanked yet. And they’re like ‘she lied about the time of day!! She said there was no music recorded and there was totally audio!
“If she didn’t react with visible and immediate disgust” YES. Because if you don’t bring it up so carefully and professionally and perfectly and you have to seem so good-humored and cool so that your co-workers and bosses don’t hate you for ruining everyone’s day with a sexual harassment claim. Oh wait, they do that no matter HOW you bring it up, no matter how you react. You can’t be perfect enough. Cool and quiet means you wanted it, if other people think it looked cute then you’re not allowed to complain, and if Blake had shrieked and yelled STOP then there would be a totally different backlash about how unprofessional she is.
People are so eager to say that the line, “I’m not even attracted to you” must mean that Lively was rejected and vindictive. But that’s the response of every street harasser I’ve ever turned down. So often I have told a man ‘no’ and he has retorted that I’m unattractive and he didn’t like me anyway. The public’s reaction to this is absurd. You are the only voice I see not dog-piling Blake Lively with glee. Sometimes people hide this under sentiments of “eat the rich” and I don’t believe that having millions of dollars of personal wealth is ethical, but why bring that out when Lively reports harassment? Especially with the plutocracy in power right now. It’s misogyny and people are DELIGHTING in it
just as a guy, I can't think of any circumstance to say that to a woman. Ever. just like I'm sort of shocked people being all like "ok right, SA sure how?" and I'm just shocked, do people really not know that biting someone without consent is a crime? "she pulled him in" yeah, she pulled him in for a kiss. Does he get to grope her because she pulled him in? the only way that bite was NOT a crime, is if he's got a signed consent form and a IC as a witness. so where's that form? I dunno why she didn't file a police report, but god I hope the CRD actually investigates & forwards it to the AG for an actual SA and racketeering trial. maybe if he's fighting the state of california people will stop comparing her to amber heard.
@@lilian9103 Your assessment doesn't make sense. Are you a friend of Lively that you have personal knowledge of her desires, needs and wants? It's sad you dismiss all video evidence and make up some outlandish claim. Do better.
@@AndyCroat-v6d maybe watch the video you are commenting one and make a cogent argument for how it’s incorrect instead of a false argument about the friends of someone else? Or… can trolls not do that?
I had the same reaction as you. I am so disappointed by the people around me. These are exactly the reactions I received when I reported harassment at my job. After I quit because I couldn’t take it, I learned that my harasser had been telling my boss that he was attracted to me, and my boss had been scheduling us together so he ‘would have a shot.’ I felt offered up on a platter. Those co-workers still treat me like I’m hypersensitive and hysterical. This whole case triggers me so hard. People are so eager to hate women.
I’ve seen some people on other channels comment that intimacy coordinators are usually only engaged/on set when there’s a sex scene (or close to it). I’m not in the industry so I have no idea if that’s true. But, if it IS true, then it doesn’t surprise me that Lively would demand that an intimacy coordinator be on set all the time- he’s crossing boundaries and initiating more physical contact even during relatively “chaste” scenes.
@@hayhobbitful it depends on the production. I know there were productions that used ICs for everything. They aren’t industry standard as of right now. So Justin was more or less free to do whatever in regards of an IC. But instead of just saying he just booked an IC for preproduction, he’s going a smear campaign to cover up the fact that there were no protections on set! If she had complaints about Justin, she’d have no one to turn to. And she ended up having to escalate the issue to Sony. Both parties agree on this! lol. But folks want to act like Blake was this crazed liar. Justin literally hired a crisis manager because of this, and used it to smear her name! His own messages showcase this!! But all he has to say is ‘yes, but she’s still lying!’ And people are just eating it up. And part of it is classic misogyny, but the other part is that folks don’t want to admit they are wrong.
Seconding another commentor-Intimacy coordinators are not the industry standard yet, but reputable companies are already using them for all varieties of intimate contact. It's good to have a person like that on set because they're a neutral party that an actor can speak to about their specific concerns.
@@RobertZellers Thank you for the additional info! I know it’s such a vital role on a set and I hope there’s an industry standard soon- it’s so important that actors have an advocate, especially when they’re in vulnerable positions and when there’s an unwritten expectation in their job that they “just do as they’re told” (lest they be branded as “difficult”). Advocacy is so so crucial.
@@birdiewolf3497 Thank you for the additional context and clarification around ICs on set! And I completely agree on the rest of your points; it’s so frustrating that people are eating it up like this.
Even without your comment, anyone should be able to recognize how uncomfortable she is after that second clip of him smelling her..I've made that face and have seen it too many women at work and social events
@@hayhobbitfulthis. FAMILIAR. I’ve been her before. I’ve seen that expression in other women’s faces before. And we all know what it means. That face is the moment you are in the club and run to your friend to start aggressively dancing with her while pulling her away from him. We know that face. You can’t gaslight us with your crap Baldoni, we’ve been in her spot way too many times.
@ I’ve been her before, too, and I’m sorry you’ve had that experience as well. I’ve also noticed that, in my experience, the people who don’t process “that look” as being one of discomfort are usually the ones perpetrating or enabling that discomfort.
It's so obvious that Lively is uncomfortable. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people say that this video "proves" that Lively is lying. Hasn't every woman been in this situation and recognizes the signs?
So... I've done intimate scenes before the Intimacy Coordinator times, and I cannot fathom what Baldoni is doing here. My scene partners and I worked out consent and process ahead of time and we stuck to it. We, and especially me, made a point of checking in after scenes or rehearsal if something felt off. Anything more than holding hands was checked ahead of time. Not perfect by any means, and I am certain I made mistakes, but at least we tried to make it work well!
That's the thing, just as a dude, wouldn't you want the IC there to CYA? he risked a 25 million dollar production on *any* woman falsely accusing him for anything. I have zero sympathy that he lost his movie even IF she were lying. It's like he literally asked for it. And that sounds terrible in the SA/R context. but seriously 30+ years ago the NFL and NBA had classes for rookies where they taught them stuff like not to leave a condom behind so someone could accuse them of something or even impregnate themselves for child support. this kind of thing has been the "norm" for seriously Baldoni's entire life.
Same. I’ve worked on theater pieces without a hired IC, but with a director with IC training. We would spend time before each rehearsal talking about where we felt comfortable being touched that day. Because it can change even from day to day!
He's basically doing whatever he wants to her. In a truly professional set, the intimacy coordinator would appear in front of them every now and then to make sure she knows what he's planning to do and she's ready for it. These clips are so uncomfortable to watch, he's toying with her and there's nobody around to mediate.
Have you noticed your shifting goalposts, SwietaateiwS. Why do you insist on reinterpreting a situation that people who work in the same industry are calling unprofessional? Why are you pretending that a potential plan in someone's heador with individuals not present is the same as a plan of both parties, consented to?
@ClaraDarko Intimacy coordinators ONLY WORK ON SCENES involving sex or nudity or other hyper exposed scenes. This is not a scene you would need an intimacy coordinator for.
Like Justin released this clip basically to say, ‘yes it happened but I didn’t do anything that bad. See!!! Look how she is smiling and laughing! I didn’t do anything wrong!’ The man doesn’t even contest that this scene was improvised by him. He’s just saying it’s not that bad, and Justin defenders are just eating it up uncritically??? No where did it showcase that he informed her about what he was going to do. There is no IC present, yet people think this is proof that Blake Lively is lying? This is exactly why it makes no sense for victims to play the dozens with the public. The public is too stupid for these conversations.
Yeah, we can't even talk to them about why he is trying to spin all of this in the public eye to make himself look better when its not a public eye decision to be made. it is a courtroom decision. made by a judge. Is he hoping of a tainting of the jury type of thing ala Depp/Heard?
And… even still there are JB defenders in the comments. BL didn’t say she didn’t want to meet the IC, she said she would meet them when filming starts… well where are they? An IC should be present on set through all intimacy scenes. This scene was never supposed to be intimate, so no IC on set… which says that the intimacy JB is doing is unscripted, improvised and was not consented to. It doesn’t matter how she is acting during this scene (she’s acting in character). It’s frustrating to see this narrative all the time. Every person knows or knows someone who has had intimacy forced upon them how it feels and how women especially deflect, laugh etc. to get through that uncomfortable situation. She couldn’t just quit and I am so fed up of this narrative too. It’s victim blaming. Why should someone quit their job instead of going through all the right channels to make sure this stops happening not only to herself but also those who come after her. His fans are seriously out here saying that she should’ve done this/ acted like that instead of scrutinising his behaviours and making it known that this behaviour isn’t acceptable and needs to change.
Just quickly. This scene is meant to be intimate. Intimacy covers more than just s*x and kissing. Romantically dancing with your partner (which is what's happening with the characters in this scene) is intimate. And just going by how the video progresses, I think the near kisses before he sniffs her neck were probably planned. It's after the neck sniff, which was unscripted (which she covered in her claim), that she became really uncomfortable.
Kjiersty Flaa said BL has problems with intimacy. I was dying. it's not supposed to be ACTUALLY intimate!!!! She has a 'problem' with him being intimate instead of acting out a scene. and him not having an IC and signed forms is just negligence on his part, even if she's lying, she couldn't if he'd done his own due diligence and not risked his movie and his reputation cutting corners.
I’m also sort of shocked how many people bought his bs when he said she didn’t want an ic. Firstly, it makes zero logical sense that he’d be texting the lead about a minor crew position being filled before production. Was he confirming the caterer with her too? Hey, how come there are NO DATES on any of this messages about the IC or the meeting in her apartment? Could it possibly be because they are out of order and the spouse s*x talk happened before she DEMANDED an IC and he then hired one and emailed her about it before returning to production??
And he thinks this edited footage he chose carefully is good for him,but we can tell Lively’s so uncomfortable around him! This scene maybe one of the least steamy scenes in the movie,what about the others? Lily and Ryle had many steamy scenes together,and I can’t imagine how uncomfortable she was on set!
@@CuiyanCai she was not uncomfortable if she asked for kisses instead of almost kisses. Also she didn't want the intimacy coordinator just like she didn't want the stylist. She took over everything
She made lots of suggestions despite her comfort like kisses instead of almost kisses, talking instead of a silent dance, jokes about Ryan staring like a sociopath, jokes about Baldoni getting surgery for his bumpy nose. For someone who was so uncomfortable she was making all the calls during the dance. Oh I forgot the volunteered info about her spray tan. I don't know what you made of all this but it says a lot about the situation
@@dearbrave4183 She absolutely DID want the intimacy coordinator. She explicitly asked for one and one was hired AFTER she asked. And there’s no comparison between an IC and a stylist. Blake chooses her wardrobe for herself; the IC is there to make sure boundaries are not crossed in filming intimate scenes.
Thanks for the breakdown. Watching people eat this up while cheering for the "receipts" and ignoring how he so grossly misrepresented how that situation played out has been driving me crazy.
@mads597 because it's so much better to lie about actual harassment, his lack of safety provisions on set, and her character and intentions which aren't even relevant to those things? O.o do you realize how you sound right now?
@@mads597 Lively’s lawyers took the emojis out, which is typically what you do in a court doc, ignoramus. And I got news for you: Baldoni’s complaint ALSO edited the texts. Oooops. Boy do you look silly.
I still haven't figured out why Baldoni´s lawyer released this video and the bizarre voicemail. These are not compelling proofs. The angry mob against Lively finds it is proof of her lying but I haven´t seen to. They all dismiss that Lively looks uncomfortable in the video, although she genuinely looks uncomfortable , and it is a movie set is a work place too. there should have been safe guards
I wish EVERYONE commenting on this case would see this video before talking about how he’s brung receipts. I find his receipts extremely lacking. And also, if you believe him, his case makes zero logical sense. You have to ignore how text extractions are known to work, you have to think Steph jones ATTORNEY committed 50 felonies to remove an emoji. And that emoji ‘magically’ reverses the meaning of all his texts making it ‘look like’ they back up her ‘completely made up’ allegations. Make that story make sense. And that’s just HIS side. You don’t even have to consider her ‘mean girl’ personality as a false argument to disprove his entire theory of the case.
@hookashley It is in fact, it was really hard to watch. A perfect example of epistemic injustice. Women, and marginalized populations are prone to suffer it. I hated the way he went for her neck, no matter what his character would do, he talked as himself when he said "Am I getting beard on you today?"
This video is literally prove of sexual harassment and I cannot believe people can't see that. They had a script and the script didn't involve certain things that he did WITHOUT her consent, that is textbook sexual harassment.
This is my space. Thank you all for seeing what I saw; because with all these vile comments on her being a b&*(C and controlling I started to doubt what I saw. This guy keeps leaning in, she tries to talk to him about trying to keep it more laid back and he just keeps touching her. She is fighting for her personal space and boundaries! While trying to be sweet and nice.
I know, it's crazy making reading the comments on other clips with the hate toward Blake. Like did we read and see and HEAR the same thing!?! 🤔🤯 It's just a witch hunt 😢
@@nicolesmith2095 As always with these situations I am astounded by the number of women who downplay what happens and do not recognize the inappropriateness of his actions. Also with the voice message he leaked. Creepy AF but no...he is being all apologetic why is she being so mean....pfff Having worked in male dominated environments with a lot of mysogynistic vibes this is all too familiar.
Men need to do better: once you know what to look for, Lively's discomfort, nervous laughs, and attempts to de-escalate through deflecting are extremely obvious! 😱 🤯 Part of the problem is that for decades, men have been socially trained to see these soft rejections (often used when a woman feels unsafe to say no directly) as being "coy" or "hard to get." Watch any Hollywood blockbusters marketed towards (young) men from the '10s or prior. Women being coerced - and often just flat-out graped! - is sickeningly framed as a steamy romantic conquest. The toxic "rationale" was that women play hard to get but secretly want whatever the guy wants too. (Hello, entitled male main character syndrome!) The producers, directors, and other men in positions of power of those hit films were steeped in grape culture and telling on themselves. They hid in plain sight (as Baldoni seems to have done) and indoctrinated the next generation into viewing abuse with "getting the girl." 🤮 Thanks for breaking down the footage that men like Baldoni use as "evidence." Unpacking grape culture means we are educating and keeping safe not only women, but men. (Once you go beyond the archaic and woefully insufficient "no means no" to understand the basics of FRIES consent vs coercion and power dynamics, fears of being falsely accused plummet to near zero.) It also means that predators can no longer gaslight and get away with playing the weaponized incompetence "but I didn't know I thought she was into it" card which adds further insult and injury to their victims. 👏 (The Narcissist's Prayer on full display is especially vile in Baldoni's case, as he centered his career around being a "male ally" so there is literally no excuse to pretend he didn't know these basics of consent and safe workplace conduct.)
Yeah though even that falls flat because of the subject matter of the movie. I have little regard for Hoover as a author and I doubt she used all markers of the romantic genre (accomplished man, hyper competent, emotionally distant except for her, anger and control frames as passion and desire, etc) as a solid deconstruction. ( Seriously the other male lead fights for her in a classic two men fighting to possess a woman but he's the good one. Also sll her books still use those tropes). But undoubtedly all his red and pink flags are called into question by the narrative when physical abuse starts happening. Baldoni knows all this. He knows his character is manipulating and escalating intimacy and is doing so without his co -star on board. People keep forgetting this is a movie scene with a script, Lively isn't reacting to verbal and non-verbal consent seeking she's trying to do her job, nail the scene and stay in character. Baldoni is the director he can make it her job that her character does x or y and if she contests this the project is in jeopardy or she gets maligned as we are seeing now. It's very frustrating
And Amber Heard too had very solid proof of being physically abused from early on in their relationship. But that gets ignored because he had better lawyers in one court case and she comes across as unlikable. As well as all the proof of him having violent outbursts from time to time and all the misogynist stuff in writing and lying about how his finger got injured. It seems many people believe some women deserve to be abused.
It's definitely the PR team's plan to draw the parallels between heard and Lively because Depps case was such a slam dunk. So now all beautiful hollywood actresses are liars who make false allegations I guess.
This is all great except pls don’t think joking someone should surgically fix their body is “a bit too far.” It is too far. Don’t do that to people in your life pls and thx.
I agree with you, however when this is a stress reaction to getting sexually harassed and trying to say "I'm not attracted to you, can you stop it already?!" and is in distress, then putting attention on that aspect is just fuelling sexism. Tell me, if a person gets up into another person's face and they are startled and react with pushing them away (that's what she's verbally doing) do you also go and tell people "hey, don't push away people randomly in everyday settings though alright?" That's what you're doing. You are dissecting the DEFENSE REACTION of a startled uncomfortable survivor of abuse who's backed in a corner significantly more than you are dissecting the boundary crossing CHOICES the her abuser who is IN CONTROL of each next step. She's navigating in a fight, light, freeze response while being FULLY AWARE that her surrounding is full of sexists like you, who'll be more concerned with defending abusers or theoretical people who may get hurt by reactions like her, over her who's experiencing abuse. It's sick. You are paft of the problem. Sort it out. Bringing upabise is not safe with people like you around. You can discuss how appropriate or inappropriate her reaction to her abuse was AFTER you have held her abuser accountable. Get the damn order right. And next time you are in a fire or traffic accident or are getting robbed you also better be at your textbook behaviour 🤦🏻♀️
Outside of the lack of consent there is a total lack of professionalism on his part. Outside of the obvious discomfort of his co-worker, I wouldn't hire Baldoni for anything I wanted work for because he is simply winging it in a most unprofessional manner.
not only that, but if I was running a 25 million dollar production about DV. I'd have signed consent forms for EVERY.THING. it's incredible to me that he flat admits to paying her THREE MILLION dollar salary without a signed contract. she refuses to sign her nudity rider, he's got HR complaints on day 1, and he's joking about it to crew, and he flat admits she's taking comments personally in the bar. it's insane to me that he says he was unaware of issues. refusing to sign a contract seems like a pretty big issue. and if she's falsly offended by innocent comments I sure as hell wouldn't be mocking her and making HR 'jokes' I'd be having witnesses, and signed consent forms.
At this point, it is very telling of the type of person that you are on the inside, depending on who you're choosing to side with at this point. 💯 I can't wait for Blake to drop all of her receipts specially the one where Justin talks about her dead father!
If it's true I want justice for her. And for, that she'll have to bring something that isn't edited or taken out of context in her favour like what's out there so far
@@dearbrave4183 It’s so easy to throw those words “out of context” around to excuse an abuser, isn’t it. Especially since you can keep claiming that no matter what happens. There will never be enough context for you.
@manderly33 the problem is you have zero context because you're ignorant about what's even being discussed. You don't even know why the footage was released to begin with . If you knew and still supported Blake atleast I would respect it, but you're completely clueless.
@@dearbrave4183 LOL how do you know I don’t know? You’re just accusing me of ignorance because I’ve pointed out how many stupid things you’ve said. Baldoni released the footage because he thinks it supports his argument. It doesn’t.
This is why I think that Sony message is so bad for them, they are asking to waive credit and they want TS song. heath is like "call me" and Sony just went from 0 to 100 Instantly saying "hey if you don't wanna play ball good luck with that" If a company like sony suddenly want everything in writing, to me that kinda means the CEO Flat frikken commanded that to be the case. And the only way I think ANY of that taking away of premiere stuff happens is if they asked around and just knew like you said that it was prolific and had many many witnesses. everybody is talking about RR and BL "power" but Sony doesn't wanna get sued for stealing a movie for a hundred million dollars either. they flat told him to walk away or there is no movie. And then I'm also wondering, maybe they couldn't go against the completion bond if the failure was their own negligence or something?
@ I'm also DYING for the guy who filed the ageism complaint Abel mentioned to file suit for how dismissive of it she was. Doesn't seem like HR took the complaint too seriously if it even exists.
@@TheJunkFarm I'd missed it too until it was pointed out. Lively's original filing page 48. Nathan and Abel discuss three HR complaints, two not from Lively.
Wait, she wasn't denied an intimacy coordinator. She was offered one but she refused to meet up with the intimacy coordinator ahead of shooting. There are text messages out there confirming this. And there's two intimacy coordinators credited in this film and they would be only present for sex and nudity scenes as according to industry standards. Just pointing that out. I do wonder why the clip shown doesn't start from the beginning of the conversation and seems to have been clipped off? Because Lively does suggest talking is more romantic first before the clip you featured started. Then Baldoni jumps in to say what he said about looking into each other's eyes like him and his wife. I suggest people search up the full clip and watch it for yourself and make your own judgment. To be clear, I'm not taking sides, but I feel like people need to be objective and not twist the truth to whatever ideology they may have, even if I hold the same ideology, because that's not helpful either to the situation or to their ideological cause. Personally I think people are too quick to take sides and do not understand why people don't try to remain objective and wait for all the information to come out. By prematurely taking sides for one or the other to me tarnishes someone's credibility and takes away from the legitimate and needed conversation on such important topics, because it gives fuel to one side to write you off. And for someone who wants to observe this objectively as well as feel like patriarchy is an issue in society but it doesn't mean it applies to all specific cases, I feel gaslit by those taking sides due to their own biases instead of taking a step back and looking at it objectively waiting for more evidence to come out. Anyways to be fair, he did say some questionable things like that exchange like commenting how she smelled good. But while his version of events is close but doesn't 100% lineup with his written complaints, similarly Lively's complaints also doesn't line up either. The truth imo is somewhere in the middle and I can see how two people can misconstrue events from their point of view. It just makes me sad that people so easily take sides and turn this into an ideological battle rather taking a step back and letting the dust settle first.
Having an intimacy coordinator and the other requests she made also would have protected him. When their is power imbalance, people are often afraid to speak. The coordinator could have made sure she is comfortable and that he didn't get sued. Women are often accused of over reacting so we minimize our responses. We lean back to avoid the contact and laugh things off. Then get accused of being ok with it because we were silent. But get gas lighted and told we should be ok with it when we are direct. If she is uncomfortable, she is uncomfortable. Trying ro convince her it isn't uncomfortable doesn't alleviate her concerns, it just makes her feel like she has no recourse. Why do these people have to find ways of getting what they want instead of accepting your no? It is not ok. It is still forcing someone if you use other forms of pressure other than physical violence.
You can look at this from so many angles. If you look at it from a sexual harassment angle as she claimed in her lawsuit, there is none in this footage. If you look at it from a director's perspective, it appears she's trying to direct him when it's well-known that he's the director. He's trying to get a scene done and she keeps talking off character. It's unprofessional and he's trying his best to tactfully and respectfully get her to follow his directions (HE'S THE DIRECTOR.) This is not a lawsuit about uncomfortableness. If that was a thing I'd sue a lot of people for making me feel uncomfortable.
@koolpebble it is sexual harassment if she was being touched in a way that made her uncomfortable without forewarning and was denied the things she requested to make her feel more comfortable. She wanted it to stop and it did not. This video shows exactly what she claimed it did and not what he claimed it did. Your discomfort is enough to sue if you did your due diligence to ask them to stop or seek other reasonable solutions that just got declined. I'm sorry that you believe that someone else's desires must always come before your comfort or discomfort in how someone treats you. And no, I'm not talking about discomfort because you don't like someone's hair or something like that. I mean actual behavior directed at you or inappropriate behavior done in front of you when you have to occupy the same space.
He never should have crossed these lines. It was not in the script. It was not previously discussed or agreed upon. And, as the scene was not supposed to be sexual, there was no intimacy coordinator present to enforce boundaries. Baldoni was wrong. End of story. This is not a debate over how likable Lively is. This is a question of right and wrong, abuses of power, and so on.
I’m an actress and this is creepy behavior on his part. If a scene partner did this with me I might knee him, right THERE. When I’ve done kissing scenes I’ve said, “if I feel tongue, you’ll feel teeth.” Unfortunately a lot of actors use these types of scenes to be gross. In one class alone two much older men tried to set me up to kiss them. There’s soooo many ways men and women can interact but it often turns seggsual when men are involved. And I’m not a fan of Lively, she seems like a mean girl, but I’m glad she speaking up now.
this is a film about romance turned into DV! Maybe an actress should think twice before signing up to a film like this if intimacy makes her “uncomfortable”!!!
@@annainkala6219maybe a dude should cya and get written consent on a film about dv to avoid the possibility of someone lying about him and taking his movie from him? Sheer negligence on his part. Also, I can say that personally, after the first hr complaint, if I thought it was unfair I’d have had a female assistant shadow me like glue taking notes of everything I said and did to prove my side, and I sure as hell wouldn’t be making hr jokes in front of the entire cast and crew to announce the hr issues and make everyone on set start noticing them. But that’s just me.
@@annainkala6219yeah ‘ sorry I must’ve missed the hr meeting’ which he apparently thought was his ‘apology’ when she took his ‘hot’ comment ‘personally’ revealing that he was totally lying when he said he was unaware of issues before her letter. If an employee was taking things I said personally and seggualy I’d not be calling out HR and mocking that person I’d be taking notes and never being alone with that person without a witness to cover my own ass.
Also, at one point Justin calls Blake's marriage dynamic 'cute' and Lively responds with 'it's more than cute' in a firm voice. That is SO clearly saying 'remember and respect I'm in a relationship and I do not appreciate you crossing personal boundaries the way you have'.
Justin Baldoni mentioned his wife first - almost as if HE was reminding HER they are both married and this is a scene in a movie - not real life flirting. This scene could be interpreted differently depending on which side a person wants it to vindicate 🤷♀️
that first clip is so uncomfortable! She's clearly not wanting to discuss her and Ryan (tells him to shut up) then she clearly doesn't want hear about him and his wife (tries to cut him off before he finished the story, then awkward laughing) then he says it would terrify her, like is he trying to make her uncomfortable? the sociopath comment isn't the most flattering response someone could make, but it totally makes sense in the context of the convo. I know that actors can direct movies they're in, but I would have thought they'd be going back to see how it all looks on screen before changing/adding anything, why is he improvising when he has no clue how it all looks on screen?
This is so disturbing. I don't understand why people cannot see the abuse when it's right there on the video?!. What makes it worse is Blake couldn't even quit and walk away. She was under contract. she couldn't escape. I can see her discomfort. It makes me sad to watch this. It's clear to me why she brought her husband onto the set. It was for her protection. On the positive side, the more 'evidence' justin releases to the media, the more he is showing us exactly who he is. And it's putrid. Let's hope these videos will help shine a light on abuse in the workplace 😢
This is 100% why these issues dont get reported. I just saw a few other vieeos saying that this video is clear proof that shes lying. And every woman thats been through this knows full well the man that did it to her is using this as proof that we're all liars. Thank you so much for your objective breakdowns of these videos and cases.
@Expatriarch would love to hear your thoughts on Emily Baldoni describing the beginning of their relationship on the podcast Man Enough. The ep is called Emily Baldoni: The Invisible Work of Women. 09 :50 Emily taking about grand gestures (love bmg?) and she describes how he made her feel uncomfortable, and kept telling her she was his soulmate when she wasn’t sure about the relationship. 1 : 08 Emily said to him “babe you need to read your own book” What I found particularly disturbing was when he made himself cry half way through and looked straight at the camera for a split second. There seemed to be a lot of red flags about his habit of ignoring boundaries. (There is a lot of self indulgent navel gazing that he does so apologies if you do sit through it)
We all saw that. She tried to put physical space between them multiple times. Like when he pulls her in after the twist to kiss her, and she put her hand over his chest. Or, when she literally starts bending backwards slightly to avoid his sniffing/kissing. Not to mention that her talk is all about trying to deflect and defuse the situation... Even her slightly ruder joke about his nose is a verbal defense. Short of saying "gtfo creep", she jibes at him *after* he mentioned his big nose.
READ THE BOOK. Ryle is obsessed with Lily’s neck because she has a tattoo there from a previous relationship and he’s jealous & insecure over it. He often kisses her there to make a point. She didn’t read the book which is a problem with her not understanding the full dynamic of the characters’ relationship while he - in character - is portraying material directly from the book.
@ girl absolutely not, we are not using the book and the subject matter to excuse him acting like this. he cannot slip in and out of character without direction, discussion, or warning. this is egregious especially knowing that there was no intimacy coordinator on set. everything else about the book or the character dynamic or whatever is immaterial until he, the director, communicates that this is what he's going to do. no amount of "he was in character" will justify that with the minimal direction he gave her he basically did that unprompted. "read the book" unbelievable.
I SO agree he's toying with her! That's his kink. Cat with it's prey. Love your sheild! Love how you break it down and your objectivity. Nice to have honesty and frankness.
I’m hesitant to call this a kink. It’s non-consensual behavior and inappropriate. No need to associate this behavior with people who practice ethical kink, in my opinion.
Thank you for another great video. Doing the right thing is so very hard but important. There will always be the enablers and flying monkeys - people who don't really care about the truth. They love the drama, idolize people and don't really look any deeper. I believe in never taking sides - but taking a stand as you are doing by speaking the truth and really looking at the evidence.
This is crazy... It's so obviously for me that Lively is uncomfortable... And yet, there's enough people who not believing her! That's devastating. And if she would create a scene there and in exact moment - she immediately would be called "hysterical" or "difficult to work with". Women victims just cant win... 💔 Thank you for making this video! 💛
It's not proper analysis when he takes everything out of context. You gotta understand BL is suing JB for sexual harassment. The footage in its raw version does not align with what she claims. No sexual harassment here.
Even in the first clip, it looks like she's uncomfortable and laughing to diffuse the tension. Idk how any of this would make Lively look like she's in the wrong.
@@catxtrallways point being why do the role if the very thought of being touched was bothersome. It appeared the dancing alone made her uncomfortable, which is an issue for her not him. She is uncomfortable therefore In her mind it automatically must be something he is doing.
After watching the entire released clip, I cannot agree with your interpretation. The context in the entirety of the full clip doesn’t align with what is being dissected in this video.
The context in his entire nyt and 400 mil lawsuits don’t agree with objective reality. That’s not how emoji’s work in court filings, and if she wasn’t signing contracts and he admits she was taking his ‘innocent’ comments personally in the bar well then, he’s also admitting that he’s lying when he says he had no idea there were any issues until the 17 point letter.
@ only thing that matters. But hey if you wanna switch it up, what date were the texts hiring the IC? Was Jen Abel lying in the email claiming lively had 2 hr complaints or was she lying when she told tmz there were none? Why would baldoni ‘apologize’ to lively for her ‘taking it personally’ when he said hot in a bar? And wouldn’t that be an hr issue proving he was aware of problems before the letter he claimed he was blindsided with? Is ‘sorry I missed the hr meeting” the ‘apology’ or did he just forget to deny that part? Does the birth vid exist? Or did she make that up? Is the ceo of wayfarer naked in that vid screenshot? Hey, why is Justin baldon’i;s publicist suing him, and Abel, and Nathan for smearing HER? what part of a ‘defensive non retaliatory’ smear campaign was releasing kill stories about his publicist?
His team released this!!! They are just stealing his money at this point, he has NFI. this is desperate. I completely empathise with Blake. I feel so bad for her. This made my skin crawl. I think any women who sees this that is still defending Baldoni, is an disgusting enabler. They're publicly saying, it's ok that "some" women are not protected, There giving permission to men to carry on harming women. like it's ok as long as they're not the victim. I think a lot of these are just bots, but It's actually heartbreaking to me to see women not supporting women. I hope everyone shares this video.
Don't worry. There are still women who support women and true victims. Fortunately for her, this footage shows she wasn't sexually harassed. So, you don't have to feel bad that not a lot more people are supporting her. Please go see the full footage for yourself.
@Perhaps you missed the HR meeting or your just not a decent person. You may not understand how sexual harassment is defined. This is just one of many incident's mentioned over an extended period of time. This "footage" proves the counter complaint is complete BS. Her experience & detailed complaints about his behaviour are supported. This just looks like more retaliation assisted by the PR team facilitating this smear campaign. Why are you missing that critical point bot? It does show he really had no idea what he was doing directing & acting at the same time, it was overly ambitious of him.
Baloni’s fans are mastering the art of willful ignorance. Ripping apart victims like Blake Lively in the public eye is their twisted form of entertainment. If they had to face the reality of the situation, they’d be forced to give up their sadistic version of “fun.”
That’s a needlessly uncharitable take, cruel and insensitive to those who disagree with your opinion who happen to be DV survivors. But what do you care I guess
@ I don’t think it’s cruel to call out harmful behavior when it involves tearing someone down without evidence or compassion. My point isn’t to dismiss the pain of survivors-quite the opposite. It’s about how some people weaponize situations like this to feed into public shaming, which helps no one. If you truly believe it’s not “fun,” then I hope we can agree on the need for more thoughtful and constructive conversations moving forward.
@@mads597 Being a DV survivor does not make you an expert on other people’s experiences. This also isn’t DV, it’s workplace harassment. But maybe you’re getting her confused with Amber Heard, who you’re also brigading?
I RUclipsr I heavily follow was disrespectful of these “leaked” bts footage and was basically downplaying her obvious discomfort, simply she font like her “plantation wedding” (which I despise myself) ass her egoistical, much richer husband) having azz. She also brought up the history of yt women doing false accusations towards random blk men as her justification and say use “critical thinking skills “ to further shut opposing opinions down further. The commenters obviously saw this and used this in both the livestream chat and comment section of the same livestream to both victim Lively and to say she’s full of it and is also trying ruin Baldoni’s life in revenge.
Was this creator black? Because I've seen this take and it's weird because black people aren't involved in this. Baldoni is not a black man. The romance genre itself is overwhelming white, to the point that its bias resulted in the collapse of the romance writers of America. White woman have weaponized patriarchy against black people and the history there is dark with lynching and murder by cop. I'm sure Blake has weaponized her white womanhood in the past and will do so in the future but that's not relevant to what's happening in front of us. It's a weird tokenizing red herring.
I watched that video and heard from people on both sides and their interpretation. I can see what both sides are saying. However, I need to know just one thing: was this sort of touching choreographed and consented to ahead of time through an intimacy coordinator? Because if it was not, it is sexual harassment. General consent is not the same as specific consent. Just because Blake Lively took on that role does not mean she has consented to any specific sort of touching. Yes, I find her to be an insecure person who is often rude to people. I think that pattern of behavior is established. It does not make it okay for someone to sexually harass her. The fact that she did have power made it so she could even address the situation and try to change it. Many other women are not so lucky.
What “pattern of behavior” are you talking about? What evidence do you have of that? Because the one piece “evidence” I have seen is ONE interview. Also, whether she is rude has no bearing on whether she was harassed. It’s not contextual to keep bringing it up. I honestly don’t think there’s a “both sides” interpretation here. It all supports her.
@manderly33 I have seen and heard much more than one interview. You, of course, don't have to believe or agree with me. I was only saying it was an established pattern of behavior in MY mind. The reason I brought it up is because people on the other side of the argument keep bringing it up as a reason for why she shouldn't be believed or why Baldoni may be acting that way. I was merely saying that even if I agree that Blake Lively has been rude, it doesn't excuse Baldoni's behavior. And the fact that people CAN interpret the video differently shows that there is more than one possible interpretation.
It clearly wasn't. I feel like the near kisses were at first - but it all very clearly fell apart after he did the neck kiss. It's so clear to me that wasn't arranged. After that she started talking more, pulling away more, grimacing more etc. But also, there was no intimacy coordinator on set. That was his job the arrange and it would have protected him as much as her... though they wouldn't have let him get away with this, so there's probably a reason why he didn't want one there. And yes. While I don't find blake lively a particularly likeable person, and acknowledge she is potentially also someone who may have also played a role in making a h0stile work environment for others in the past -- I appreciate that in this case she is using her power in a way that will protect others from him.
@manderly33 You do realize that I agree with you about the sexual harassment part, right? We just disagree about the rudeness part. And I'm not willing to spend time and energy laying out a case with evidence for a stranger on the internet who doesn't really seem open to hearing what I'd have to say anyway.
Thank you for your videos! Are very well explained! You deserve hundreds of thousands of likes! I appreciate you are on Blake's side, even if you get less views due to the unpopular opinion! You are the best! All my respect!
You got so much of this wrong, it shows that people should go watch the raw footage themselves. You cherry-picked and changed up Blake's claims for her. I hope you get less views.
I completely agree with you. Watched the full released footage and I see two people trying to work together to make this scene believable. Some differing points of view, but overall they both have a say in what’s going on for this scene.
I cannot believe this interpretation of what is clearly a dance scene depicting a man chasing after a woman and the woman acting demure and coy. The age old dance if seduction. It's clear that the acting is being confused with real life settings in this analysis. Her character is meant to pull away. Give us a break. As a DV survivor I absolutely know the difference
Thank you I am also a survivor and I can’t with this nonsense vilification of an actor filming a scene. It’s a dance scene! In a movie about an abuser!
So what are you saying- that he as a director was in the right to conduct himself like this with no consultation with his scene partner so she would look more believable when she pulled away? He had to become the abvser to play the abvser and that's okay?
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004For context, the script calls for no talking. And you also have to remember that it's his movie so his directions should be final. His idea was for them both to stare lovingly into each other's eyes while dancing. But she wanted to go into a different direction by talking and talking and talking out of character. That was not in the script. He really wanted to diplomatically get her to see it from his perspective but she disagreed with him. For you to say, she wasn't consulted is unfair because she received the script in advance. If she didn't read the script that was unprofessional and a problem on her part. Why sign up for a movie with scenes you don't agree with? And in what world does an actor have a say in the direction or editing of a movie? This is why this case is so bizarre. You really should go see the full footage for yourself. And oh, there's no sexual harassment in this footage as she claims.
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 No. I'm saying there is no abuse here whatsoever. It's a clip of 2 actors slow dancing in a romantic scene . It's all stuff and nonsense
You can look at this from so many angles. If you look at it from a sexual harassment angle as she claimed in her lawsuit, there is none in this footage. If you look at it from a director's perspective, it appears she's trying to direct him when it's well-known that he's the director. He's trying to get a scene done and she keeps talking off character. It's unprofessional and he's trying his best to tactfully and respectfully get her to follow his directions (HE'S THE DIRECTOR.) This is not a lawsuit about uncomfortableness. If that was a thing I'd sue a lot of people for making me feel uncomfortable.
Lol, YOU apparently can rationalize and pretend it shows what you want from many angles so you can claim to be open minded about your biases. Also, just fyi, ‘uncomfortable’ in a work environment is, in fact, what Sh is about.
@TheJunkFarm but is she uncomfortable because he's being inappropriate or is she uncomfortable because, as she explained in the video showed, looking into each other's eyes silently is not something she and her husband do in their private life?
@ I guess it just depends on how desperately you’re trying to ignore the dozens of other allegations and reams of admissions and lies he’s told about all this other things as well.
I disagree with this whole take, this video does not confirm BL claims in any way. It's a scene that was improvised about "falling in love" we don't know what was talked about and what wasn't prior. I am not taking her side as a victim simply because she seems completely disingenuous, she was seeking control for this movie and she got it.
What proof do you have that she was “seeking control of the movie” other than your own woman-hatey feelies? You don’t need to know what was talked about prior because she says IN THE VIDEO that she thinks they should talk instead of kiss, after he does *exactly what she said he did in the complaint*.
Um, perhaps you don't understand because you don't know what goes into to acting out a silent montage scene. 1st, everyone has a script. That script describes what is supposed to be going on. What people are in the room and what the feeling of the scene will be. The scene is a silent montage so talking sh*t often happens. 2nd, the scene called for them to be dancing, falling in love and being in their own world. The scene did not require a scene coordinator because there was no sex or nudity. There are descriptions online to give you what their job entails. You seem to miss every part of the beginning of the rebuttal. For example, the nose. She does reference his nose 1st. Saying "Its so nosey" "its like all noses". If I didn't know better, Id say you are gaslighting everyone that has ears and can see. What she said in her papers does not match what we see and hear.
Better than googling something, I happen to work in film and work with ICs (they’re not called “scene coordinators”) and they can be hired to choreograph ANY KIND OF INTIMACY. Second, the whole point is that he did things not in the script in this scene.
Man how can you contradict yourself so blatantly and remain so obtuse? Not all intimacy is sex or nudity. He’s winging it on the fly and adding intimacy, without discussion, without consent, and importantly, without the ic he claims was always there. He asks he for a shot with their lips close. THAT is how it’s supposed to work. And then he just drags his lips down her neck sniffing her without saying a damn thing about if that’s ok or how she’s supposed to prepare or react to it.
@Metonymy1979 did you miss the part where he's actively doing intimate things like kissing her that is *not* included in the script *they* provided? Yes, dancing involves physical contact. But dancing does not involve kissing or nuzzling her neck. And if he wanted those things included, he could have told her. She improvised affection through means like laughter, cute dancing choreo like spinning, and talking. He improvised affection by finding different ways to put his lips on her. I think we need to stop acting like we can't understand why that would be uncomfortable for her, especially if there wasn't discussion about it beforehand.
@yundorphin Can you point to where I can read the script that says what you are saying? I can appreciate that you probably have never directed people in a movie. I have. Acting is not the same as working in an office. From what I've read, they were "falling in love". Have you ever been in love? Or filmed a scene of 2 people falling in love? I'm not sure if you understand what silent scenes are required so that the audience is not confused about what's happening in the scene, but the scene was for them to portray not merely dating but falling deeply in love. Talking and dancing does not denote that emotion. And, from what I have read, the script did say touching, hugging , light kissing and dancing was expressed.
@@manderly33 That is not what I read. Can you point me to where I can read that info? They are referred to as both because there is only one person onset that is called the scene coordinator and that's the intimacy coordinator. Most crew knows they are one and the same. Do you really work on sets? Because that's pretty standard.
I’ve watched lawyer channels go through the lawsuits on both sides. I read the text messages and saw the video. There’s too much biased and exaggerated writing on both sides. There’s too much incomplete context on both sides. There’s too much reading into the behavior on both sides. There’s too many people saying it’s completely obvious- which is false given that different people are all seeing different things in the exchange. That said, one of their versions seemed more aligned to what I’ve seen and heard, so far.. It makes me sad, though, for many in this comment section who seem so… broken… and twisted in their thinking.
@ yeah, and only one has actual examples. If you think the texts were modified then it’s on you to show why we should ignore every white paper you can easily google like ‘can your investigation interpret emoji” and explain HOW/why you think Steph jones attorney committing 50 felonies is more likely than it being yet another lie from baldoni
I’m sorry yall are misguided. I highly encourage you to look into Blake’s husband Ryan Reynolds, and his role in all this drama. He is the actual male villain you’re looking for…not Justin. I am disappointed in your take on this expatriarch. I thought your analytical skills were more refined than your opinion on this particular issue. You do understand that patriarchal misogyny exists in women too, right? Smh
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 They were dancing as RYLE AND LILY! While talking as themselves. Why else even make the whole scene? IT WAS PART OF THE MOVIE!
All of this would be warranted…but they’re actors who are supposed to be ACTING like they’re falling in love. She kept insisting that they should just keep talking throughout the whole scene. She’s coming across nervous and resistant to what is fairly minor for physical closeness, if compared to s3x scenes. If she was a woman in an office setting being harassed by her manager, yeah, this would be exactly what you describe. But she’s meant to be doing an intimate no-audio dance montage from what she marketed as a Rom Com! Why wouldn’t some small near-kisses or nuzzling be considered harassment?? This is so awkward. I’ve seen videos of actual DV survivors saying her response is gaslighting people into thinking this was some kind of boundary crossing, but your channel is fully with her, not even for a second recognizing how her husband was weirdly very involved, he threatened Baldoni & forced him to apologize, etc. m In this scene, she’s refusing to follow most of his instructions & actually forcing her own direction on him. The director. Sure she’s giggling while doing it half the time, I know giggling is sometimes a way to passify nervousness. But given her task here. She’s just coming across awkward, or kinda bad at her job. I’m also super confused by your repeated statements about Wayfairer denying the protection of an intimacy coordinator. It was Blake Lively who chose to opt out of using the IC!!! 😫 what is happening, please read the documents. She also said HERSELF in a red carpet interview, same one as the one where she admitted Ryan re-wrote the roof scene during the writers’ strike 😑 that she chose to be her own IC, but admitted this was not usual or normal. She said it in the interview while giggling, she didn’t look like anyone was preventing her from accessing one. She turned it down from the start. Maybe she asked for them afterwards, I don’t recall. But just like she took over the wardrobe, she also took over the intimacy work. Not saying Baldoni is perfect, I believe he made errors too, but h this video isn’t what you’re describing, I’m sorry. If I didn’t hear her rebuttal, I’d have little idea what you’re talking about. But you’re echoing it, so I get it. I’ve also been harassed in the workplace before, so I hate that I can’t see what you see, except her awkwardness, which I’m reading as insecurity or a woman who can’t act/lacks chemistry with her lead? but I was a server in a restaurant, my job was not to look cozy & in love with my coworker for pay. Her job is to look & act like she’s dizzy in lust/love. If she didn’t want to do that, why take the job?
No, it in fact isn't her job to just accept whatever intimacy he decides to throw on her during a scene with it not being consented to during a discussion. What an awful job that would be. I'm sure it used to be like that, but luckily times have changed for the better. And here we clearly see the issue this caused, because she wasn't sure where the line between acting and real life was, and that made her very uncomfortable. And together with his other actions, it made her feel sexually harassed at her work.
He has read the documents. You haven't though - clearly. Also even if she refused to see the IC (she refused to see them out of hours - as all workers should have a right to do). One still should have been on set for filming an intimate scene (which this is) - and it was up to him as a director to arrange that. Instead he chose not to so he could get away with stuff like this.
You clearly have absolutely no idea how film sets, acting or sexual harassment laws work. This is a child’s understanding of a real job that can pay millions. We’re also unionized, FYI. You can just force an actress to do whatever you want. And thank godzilla for that. And eff you.
Show and react to the whole footage with no cuts or pauses. If anything, the footage shows the truth. And people talk about power imbalances: Blake Lively has more power than Justin.
@catxtrallways If he and his parents are nore powerful than Blake, then why were they all sent to the basement at the premier of his movie? She comes from a wealthy family, has Ryan Reynolds, Taylor Swift, and most of the elites on her side.
@catxtrallways might sound like it, but Blake IS a rich mean girl whining that her halo effect is crumbling and is finally being exposed. We only have to look at the patterns here. Many have spoken out about Blake's true colors. There is much evidence out there available. So far there have been many who have spoken out positively about working with Justin. A pattern with actual hollywood creeps are people coming forward immediately to expose them.
@@shadowilderness364 He has a billionaire backer. And yeah, people are siding with her because they like her. But on the set he was her boss. He had the power to fire her. He was the director and the producer and the lead actor. This is cope. He and his buddy harassed her.
@@shadowilderness364 Many have also said they support her and love her, including everyone in this cast and people she’s worked with in the past. Just say you hate women. It’s shorter.
This is a very far stretch. If anything this shows that men everywhere need to be extra careful in the workplace, private and public places. Hollywood really just needs to stop making intimate movies that require male and female roles. It's just too risky after the me too movement.
He keeps trying to kiss her on the mouth, she laughs awkwardly and leans away. None of this touching and kissing is in the script, hence the lack of an intimacy coordinator being present. He went too far without a referee (IC) being present and without getting prior consent. Add to this the fact that he is her BOSS here, and the situation becomes an even larger abuse of power. She is holding him at arms length with her hands. Laughing uncomfortably. Leaning away when he leans in. Deflecting his comments and trying to redirect his attention. She looks stiff and uncomfortable. Did she need to run away screaming 😱 or sucker punch him to get the point across? His defense seems to be, "Well she didn't run away screaming so it must have been fine." As if fawn response and freeze response aren't real things... His second defense is, "Well I'm not attracted to her." As if such a claim can ever be proven/disproven as these are his private thoughts and feelings. And as if men don't insult and put down women all the time after being rejected. He never should have crossed these lines. It was not in the script. It was not previously discussed or agreed upon. And, as the scene was not supposed to be sexual, there was no intimacy coordinator present to enforce boundaries. Baldoni was wrong. End of story
You cut out the part before he brings up Ryan where Blake breaks the silence by saying she thinks they should be talking, directing him and he is bringing up both relationships to explain why they have differing views on what is romantic...
Because it is an easily disproved reach. 3:12 Baldoni breaks 15s of silence to directs her to brush her hair away to reveal the side of her neck NOT facing camera 3:43 Baldoni breaks 30s of silence to give direction for more crowd reaction 3:53 Lively again suggests they should be talking to make the scene more interesting an in slow motion will give the audience some some fun figuring what they were saying. Baldoni agrees and says "they'll never find out" 4:14 Baldoni breaks 5s of silence to comment on how Lively and Ryan always talk 7:21 Baldoni breaks breaks 21 seconds of silence to say "Am I getting beard on you today?"
@@anitahenderson166 That does make sense, except he's not really steering the scene towards them gazing at each other like he says and instead going for kissing/nuzzling? That's what I'm getting from Lively here, that they should be talking *instead of getting too physical*
@mads597 the background music gets the video flagged, which is why I have to reupload a shorter version of this video. There's a link in the description to the full video for you to watch for yourself
@@TheJunkFarm Wow. did you get your thesaurus out there friend? A 'logical fallacy' assumes that I posited an argument but I didn't . I Do appreciate you trying to impress me tho🤗. This very video proves that Blake Lively is lying yet again. But the author clipped out the most damning evidence (which is honestly most of the vid) and focuses on something innocuous to villainize Baldoni. There is a mountain of evidence proving Lively has lied repeatedly as well as coerced him out of his movie, bullied him into submission and doctored evidence. It's all over the net. You don't need me to argue the points. You've already seen them all and deliberately ignored it. And to your point you called my once sentence "intellectually bankrupt" and a "fallacy" without presenting an argument either. So what are we really doing here?🙂 Doesn't matter she's a mean-spirited person whose career is done.
@@The1998Deck yet another dodge. "The page is so very dishonest on this subject." false argument. appeal to ignorance more specifically. you got nuthin troll. also you're a lying liar making that intellectually bankrupt argument and then shifting the goalposts avoiding defending it.
@@koolpebbleLMAO not everything is going to be filmed kitten. Life is not a movie. There might be witnesses though. Wouldn’t that be embarrassing for you.
Blake was not uncomfortable enough since she asked for kisses instead of almost kisses he was giving. Also she didn't want the intimacy coordinator just like she didn't want the stylist/wardrobe. She took over everything. Now, tables may turn and I stand to be corrected but so far everything looks like she's the villain of the story who felt romantically rejected and is out for revenge. Also Blake could clearly object and suggest things like she suggested talking because apparently it never happens with hubby who stares like a sociopath to paraphrase her own words and she also commented on bumpy noses and suggested him getting a nose surgery as a joke. What i believe her discomfort to stem from is definitely internal not external, feelings can create external discomfort if they are forbidden. That's my take. But I stand to be corrected, although so far , nothing convinces me otherwise. It seems like she layed the ground perfectly to corner him
No, she asked to continue talking in the scene. Not 'almost kissing'. Also SHE is the one who went through HR to require Baldoni to get an intimacy coordinator.
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972rewatch the video. Around minute 4 Blake asks for kisses, Baldoni says almost kisses were better About the intimacy coordinator that was also debunked by Baldoni who released a text exchange between him, Blake and even the coordinator. Blake refused to see them after Justin asked her to do so. Because she was trying to take over the role of director, whatever Baldoni suggested she always countered Something we see in this video too. She wants kisses, he wants almost kisses, He wants silence giving example of how he and his wife do it while dancing and how her and Ryan would do it. To which she objects and says ,Ryan wouldn't, because he would stare like a sociopath. Then she proceeds to talk. Also: needless to remind that Blake didn't read the book. The dancing scene is actually a quiet dancing scene, which she also ruined. Blake is in a tough spot for trying to play competent director and actress, only to scream offense at things that she would have considered normal had she done her job, or even attempted to do the job she usurped properly. If she directed the movie and actress Blake has issues then director Blake needs to be held accountable too.
I don’t understand why Justin’s defenders always claim Blake is into him! And he rejected her!Come on! How these crazy women insult a woman who just gave her forth birth,having a husband loves her 100% and 4 beautiful kids!
Baldoni DID NOT break the silence. Blake Lively did..what are you even talking about !! And also Blake is always trying undermine him as a director. He's the polite one trying to humour her by talking about her husband and his wife .
@@asitdas8353 Is the argument that because Blake was undermining him as a director, so it’s actually her fault that he behaved in this way? She didn’t let him direct, so that’s why he didn’t tell her before he started kissing her neck?
Not liking it when a man goes off script and kisses you on the neck is undermining? A woman, not liking unplanned physical contact with a man, is undermining that man?
Why was there no intimacy coordinator? We heard from Baldoni's lawyer that there was one, but Lively had refused to meet with her... And that Baldoni discussed all the intimate scenes with her and reported to Lively... 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨☺️🤨🥴
Yeah Baldoni was completely misusing the intimacy coordinator. They should have been on set, especially for scenes like this. This is why Lively asked one be present on set as well as an additional experienced producer and a Sony representative. It's wild this had to be called out and fought for. Baldoni should have had these protections in place from day one.
While I understand that the video doesn't exonerate Baldoni, I don't understand why someone like Lively couldn't have spoken up immediately and stopped production. She is, after all, married to 1 of the most powerful men in Hollywood. She isn't also someone relying on acting gigs to make money. I can understand a newcomer to put up with his behavior but why did she? Not that she should not raise it now. Still, why not do it immediately?
This is just victim blaming, and also she did speak up and stopped production!! Like sorry she didn’t do it immediately. A lot of times you just brush things off to keep it pushing. It takes a minute before you realize you’ve been brushing off a lot of stuff and need to act. Considering how dismissive folks are to Blake’s feelings towards this moment, you think she made a big deal about this at the time, folks would take it seriously? No. Unfortunately you need multiple instances before people even begin to care or take it seriously.
@@Lifeinterrupted.1 You may be victim blaming. "Why didn't you scream for help?". "Did you ever say 'no' or 'stop'?". "You're smiling and laughing in this video/picture with your abuser. Admit it, you were enjoying what he was doing.". I'm not trying to jump on you, but women are socialized from birth to be accommodating, to not make a scene. Speaking up, forcefully, in a professional setting, you can be labeled as "difficult", or being a diva. Believe me, I know. There were dozens of people there, all trying to do their job, and even if she had stopped filming to call him out, he isn't just another actor on set/her peer, he was the director. There is a power imbalance. If he fired her, for not putting up with his behavior, that damages her professional reputation. There is also the mental gymnastics one goes through. Where is the line? "He nuzzled and sniffed my neck, it wasn't scripted, but it's not like he groped me." What often happens is the line is constantly being pushed a little further, by an abuser. Mildly inappropriate comments, then more direct comments. Uncomfortable looks become more direct intimate staring/ogling. Touches that seem innocuous at first, become more brazen and intentional. Now imagine all these calculations going on in her head, while trying to do her job, while her boss is taking advantage, in a room full of people (who are all relying on filming to continue, so they keep getting paid). Calling it out in real time is not as easy as you think.
I just find both of them so hard to believe if neither of them are going to be honest about how they were obviously having an affair on set and cheating on their respective partners.
LMAO LOL ok sure hun. That’s why they’re suing each other and she had to hold a meeting mid production to get Baldoni and Heath to act like professionals. That’s why she’s pulling away from here. Because she luuurves him. Cope.
@@manderly33there's no need to act like a churl. Blake probably just lost interest in Ryan Reynolds because he's an old, washed-up actor. I don't blame her for cheating.
@@364Leinad LMAO you’re just writing creepy fanfic about two strangers with zero evidence. All to try to distract from the fact that two men sexually harassed multiple people on that set. You weirdo. You’re the churl, kiddo.
Wonen like her certainly make it difficult for others not as powerful as her to raise objections to unsafe workplaces. Coz she seems willing to put up with it and not complain immediately. So, others have to luve through it instead of objecting immediately.
Another insensitive and dense victim blamer, did you watch this commentary without volume?? First of all she was caught off guard by Baldoni during this filming session by Baldoni doing Unscripted things to her.............. and secondly why do think she's in trouble and is caught in a smear campaign? Its because she raised all those objections and went against Baldoni and the other producers
To OP: We don’t know how where this scene is in the time line of complaints in the SH. It may have been at the beginning of production, and his other alleged behaviours piled on top, prompting her to take action - as a professional - by calling a meeting and attempting conflict resolution. Most of us have second guessed things that have made us uncomfortable and tried to rationalise what happened. SH suits are one of the hardest things to go through for the plaintiffs because society wants a perfect victim. People saying she was trying to ruin his career are oblivious to the fact that if that were her intent, there would be a lot easier ways to go about it. She would have been warned that women are ruthlessly scrutinised for what they did or didn’t do at the time of alleged behaviours, after the behaviours and if they take action or don’t take action. It’s really sad to see comments that say “women like her…..(add criticism/shame/character flaws here)
How precisely did she “put up” with it? Was it the part where she tried gently to steer him away from kissing her and touching her inappropriately? Or maybe it was the part where she put together a list of demands for better treatment for her AND her employees AND the other actors, and got Baldoni and Heath to agree with him? The part where she filed a federal civil rights complaint against them? Genuinely, you people. Cannot make up. Your minds. She’s a mean girl; no, there’s no case; no actually somehow it’s HER FAULT FOR GETTING HARASSED because she didn’t do exactly what YOU think she should do. Amazing.
Im noticing a pattern here. A lot of people are analysing Blake's legal docs down to the last punctuation mark but quoting Justin's only in generalisations. And thats why they're missing all the glaring contradictions.
Like they're looking for "gotchas" and "ahas" in blakes because they already decides not to believe her no matter what, but not closely analysing Justin's because they've already decided they believe him already and will continue to regardless of evidence.
His case makes zero sense at a very basic level. You have to ignore everything known about cell, extractions, court transcripts, and how emoji’s work, and then also somehow think Steph jones carefully hired an attorney to seize the phone, specifically to establish a legal chain of custody as an officer of the court, AND THEN just randomly committed about 50 felonies to answer subpoenas and file lawsuits with forged documents.
And then, you gotta also think the emoji somehow ‘magically’ reverses the meaning of all his texts, and yet still somehow exactly matches all his texts, nines the emoji the didn’t need to take out anyway because they are just normally not there. AND THEN somehow, again ‘magically’ those ‘reversed’ texts now just ‘appear’ to perfectly corroborate her totally fake allegations that never happened, and she set all of this up months in advance to save her reputation that hadn’t even tanked yet.
And they’re like ‘she lied about the time of day!! She said there was no music recorded and there was totally audio!
@cozettemostert yes she's the only one under scrutiny and that's literally only because she's a woman that they are looking for a reason to doubt
Misogyny is everywhere. It's painful trying to explain this to people
@@TheJunkFarm and weren't documents proving he tried to smear her leaked?
“If she didn’t react with visible and immediate disgust” YES. Because if you don’t bring it up so carefully and professionally and perfectly and you have to seem so good-humored and cool so that your co-workers and bosses don’t hate you for ruining everyone’s day with a sexual harassment claim. Oh wait, they do that no matter HOW you bring it up, no matter how you react. You can’t be perfect enough. Cool and quiet means you wanted it, if other people think it looked cute then you’re not allowed to complain, and if Blake had shrieked and yelled STOP then there would be a totally different backlash about how unprofessional she is.
Dead on.
Exactly. Women in these situations can not win
Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t!
Unprofessional along with their favorite, "over reacting".
"she is hard to work with 😒"
People are so eager to say that the line, “I’m not even attracted to you” must mean that Lively was rejected and vindictive. But that’s the response of every street harasser I’ve ever turned down. So often I have told a man ‘no’ and he has retorted that I’m unattractive and he didn’t like me anyway. The public’s reaction to this is absurd. You are the only voice I see not dog-piling Blake Lively with glee. Sometimes people hide this under sentiments of “eat the rich” and I don’t believe that having millions of dollars of personal wealth is ethical, but why bring that out when Lively reports harassment? Especially with the plutocracy in power right now. It’s misogyny and people are DELIGHTING in it
just as a guy, I can't think of any circumstance to say that to a woman. Ever.
just like I'm sort of shocked people being all like "ok right, SA sure how?"
and I'm just shocked, do people really not know that biting someone without consent is a crime? "she pulled him in" yeah, she pulled him in for a kiss. Does he get to grope her because she pulled him in? the only way that bite was NOT a crime, is if he's got a signed consent form and a IC as a witness.
so where's that form?
I dunno why she didn't file a police report, but god I hope the CRD actually investigates & forwards it to the AG for an actual SA and racketeering trial.
maybe if he's fighting the state of california people will stop comparing her to amber heard.
@@lilian9103 Your assessment doesn't make sense. Are you a friend of Lively that you have personal knowledge of her desires, needs and wants? It's sad you dismiss all video evidence and make up some outlandish claim. Do better.
I didn’t hear him say that in any of the videos
@@AndyCroat-v6d maybe watch the video you are commenting one and make a cogent argument for how it’s incorrect instead of a false argument about the friends of someone else? Or… can trolls not do that?
I don’t like Lively but the fact she’s so rich is why she’s able to even bring this up. I’m glad she’s is, too.
I had the same reaction as you. I am so disappointed by the people around me. These are exactly the reactions I received when I reported harassment at my job. After I quit because I couldn’t take it, I learned that my harasser had been telling my boss that he was attracted to me, and my boss had been scheduling us together so he ‘would have a shot.’ I felt offered up on a platter. Those co-workers still treat me like I’m hypersensitive and hysterical. This whole case triggers me so hard. People are so eager to hate women.
@@naomi6056 that is so gross 🤢 both should have been in trouble for harassment
YOUR BOSS DID FUCKING WHAT!?!?
I’ve seen some people on other channels comment that intimacy coordinators are usually only engaged/on set when there’s a sex scene (or close to it). I’m not in the industry so I have no idea if that’s true. But, if it IS true, then it doesn’t surprise me that Lively would demand that an intimacy coordinator be on set all the time- he’s crossing boundaries and initiating more physical contact even during relatively “chaste” scenes.
If I was Baldoni’s wife I’d be fuming seeing this. The guy was absolutely abusing his power to have some fun
@@hayhobbitful it depends on the production. I know there were productions that used ICs for everything. They aren’t industry standard as of right now. So Justin was more or less free to do whatever in regards of an IC. But instead of just saying he just booked an IC for preproduction, he’s going a smear campaign to cover up the fact that there were no protections on set! If she had complaints about Justin, she’d have no one to turn to. And she ended up having to escalate the issue to Sony. Both parties agree on this! lol. But folks want to act like Blake was this crazed liar. Justin literally hired a crisis manager because of this, and used it to smear her name! His own messages showcase this!! But all he has to say is ‘yes, but she’s still lying!’ And people are just eating it up. And part of it is classic misogyny, but the other part is that folks don’t want to admit they are wrong.
Seconding another commentor-Intimacy coordinators are not the industry standard yet, but reputable companies are already using them for all varieties of intimate contact. It's good to have a person like that on set because they're a neutral party that an actor can speak to about their specific concerns.
@@RobertZellers Thank you for the additional info! I know it’s such a vital role on a set and I hope there’s an industry standard soon- it’s so important that actors have an advocate, especially when they’re in vulnerable positions and when there’s an unwritten expectation in their job that they “just do as they’re told” (lest they be branded as “difficult”). Advocacy is so so crucial.
@@birdiewolf3497 Thank you for the additional context and clarification around ICs on set! And I completely agree on the rest of your points; it’s so frustrating that people are eating it up like this.
Even without your comment, anyone should be able to recognize how uncomfortable she is after that second clip of him smelling her..I've made that face and have seen it too many women at work and social events
Exactly. When we can briefly see her face over his shoulder, her expression is SO familiar to me.
@@hayhobbitfulthis. FAMILIAR. I’ve been her before. I’ve seen that expression in other women’s faces before. And we all know what it means.
That face is the moment you are in the club and run to your friend to start aggressively dancing with her while pulling her away from him. We know that face. You can’t gaslight us with your crap Baldoni, we’ve been in her spot way too many times.
@ I’ve been her before, too, and I’m sorry you’ve had that experience as well. I’ve also noticed that, in my experience, the people who don’t process “that look” as being one of discomfort are usually the ones perpetrating or enabling that discomfort.
@hayhobbitful you are so right! And I'm sorry you've gone through that too!
It's so obvious that Lively is uncomfortable. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people say that this video "proves" that Lively is lying. Hasn't every woman been in this situation and recognizes the signs?
So... I've done intimate scenes before the Intimacy Coordinator times, and I cannot fathom what Baldoni is doing here. My scene partners and I worked out consent and process ahead of time and we stuck to it. We, and especially me, made a point of checking in after scenes or rehearsal if something felt off. Anything more than holding hands was checked ahead of time. Not perfect by any means, and I am certain I made mistakes, but at least we tried to make it work well!
That's the thing, just as a dude, wouldn't you want the IC there to CYA? he risked a 25 million dollar production on *any* woman falsely accusing him for anything.
I have zero sympathy that he lost his movie even IF she were lying. It's like he literally asked for it. And that sounds terrible in the SA/R context. but seriously 30+ years ago the NFL and NBA had classes for rookies where they taught them stuff like not to leave a condom behind so someone could accuse them of something or even impregnate themselves for child support.
this kind of thing has been the "norm" for seriously Baldoni's entire life.
Same. I’ve worked on theater pieces without a hired IC, but with a director with IC training. We would spend time before each rehearsal talking about where we felt comfortable being touched that day. Because it can change even from day to day!
He's basically doing whatever he wants to her. In a truly professional set, the intimacy coordinator would appear in front of them every now and then to make sure she knows what he's planning to do and she's ready for it. These clips are so uncomfortable to watch, he's toying with her and there's nobody around to mediate.
@@SwietaateiwSshe never said not meet them! She said she would meet them when she worked!
@ That’s not the excuse to cross the line and make her uncomfortable!
Have you noticed your shifting goalposts, SwietaateiwS. Why do you insist on reinterpreting a situation that people who work in the same industry are calling unprofessional? Why are you pretending that a potential plan in someone's heador with individuals not present is the same as a plan of both parties, consented to?
hollywood reporter has a good IC interview about this fyi
@ClaraDarko Intimacy coordinators ONLY WORK ON SCENES involving sex or nudity or other hyper exposed scenes. This is not a scene you would need an intimacy coordinator for.
Like Justin released this clip basically to say, ‘yes it happened but I didn’t do anything that bad. See!!! Look how she is smiling and laughing! I didn’t do anything wrong!’ The man doesn’t even contest that this scene was improvised by him. He’s just saying it’s not that bad, and Justin defenders are just eating it up uncritically??? No where did it showcase that he informed her about what he was going to do. There is no IC present, yet people think this is proof that Blake Lively is lying? This is exactly why it makes no sense for victims to play the dozens with the public. The public is too stupid for these conversations.
Yeah, we can't even talk to them about why he is trying to spin all of this in the public eye to make himself look better when its not a public eye decision to be made. it is a courtroom decision. made by a judge. Is he hoping of a tainting of the jury type of thing ala Depp/Heard?
@@bobfg3130 No, he didn’t what? What part of the original comment are you even replying to, Reply Guy?
Right on. They don’t understand the nuance.
And… even still there are JB defenders in the comments. BL didn’t say she didn’t want to meet the IC, she said she would meet them when filming starts… well where are they? An IC should be present on set through all intimacy scenes. This scene was never supposed to be intimate, so no IC on set… which says that the intimacy JB is doing is unscripted, improvised and was not consented to. It doesn’t matter how she is acting during this scene (she’s acting in character). It’s frustrating to see this narrative all the time. Every person knows or knows someone who has had intimacy forced upon them how it feels and how women especially deflect, laugh etc. to get through that uncomfortable situation.
She couldn’t just quit and I am so fed up of this narrative too. It’s victim blaming. Why should someone quit their job instead of going through all the right channels to make sure this stops happening not only to herself but also those who come after her.
His fans are seriously out here saying that she should’ve done this/ acted like that instead of scrutinising his behaviours and making it known that this behaviour isn’t acceptable and needs to change.
Just quickly. This scene is meant to be intimate.
Intimacy covers more than just s*x and kissing.
Romantically dancing with your partner (which is what's happening with the characters in this scene) is intimate.
And just going by how the video progresses, I think the near kisses before he sniffs her neck were probably planned. It's after the neck sniff, which was unscripted (which she covered in her claim), that she became really uncomfortable.
Kjiersty Flaa said BL has problems with intimacy. I was dying. it's not supposed to be ACTUALLY intimate!!!!
She has a 'problem' with him being intimate instead of acting out a scene.
and him not having an IC and signed forms is just negligence on his part, even if she's lying, she couldn't if he'd done his own due diligence and not risked his movie and his reputation cutting corners.
I’m also sort of shocked how many people bought his bs when he said she didn’t want an ic.
Firstly, it makes zero logical sense that he’d be texting the lead about a minor crew position being filled before production. Was he confirming the caterer with her too?
Hey, how come there are NO DATES on any of this messages about the IC or the meeting in her apartment? Could it possibly be because they are out of order and the spouse s*x talk happened before she DEMANDED an IC and he then hired one and emailed her about it before returning to production??
And he thinks this edited footage he chose carefully is good for him,but we can tell Lively’s so uncomfortable around him! This scene maybe one of the least steamy scenes in the movie,what about the others? Lily and Ryle had many steamy scenes together,and I can’t imagine how uncomfortable she was on set!
@@CuiyanCai she was not uncomfortable if she asked for kisses instead of almost kisses. Also she didn't want the intimacy coordinator just like she didn't want the stylist. She took over everything
She made lots of suggestions despite her comfort like kisses instead of almost kisses, talking instead of a silent dance, jokes about Ryan staring like a sociopath, jokes about Baldoni getting surgery for his bumpy nose.
For someone who was so uncomfortable she was making all the calls during the dance.
Oh I forgot the volunteered info about her spray tan.
I don't know what you made of all this but it says a lot about the situation
@@dearbrave4183 All of this is debunked.
@@dearbrave4183 She absolutely DID want the intimacy coordinator. She explicitly asked for one and one was hired AFTER she asked.
And there’s no comparison between an IC and a stylist. Blake chooses her wardrobe for herself; the IC is there to make sure boundaries are not crossed in filming intimate scenes.
@@dearbrave4183 You are so freaking dishonest. We can all see the video.
Watching the video, I kept thinking how her body language was subtly saying she was uncomfortable. So yeah.
Same. She repeatedly pulls away and takes her hands off him while he's still holding on to her.
Unrelated but Bullock is my maiden name, fam 😂
Thanks for the breakdown. Watching people eat this up while cheering for the "receipts" and ignoring how he so grossly misrepresented how that situation played out has been driving me crazy.
At least he didn’t intentionally misrepresent edited text messages to set a narrative via NYT
@mads597 because it's so much better to lie about actual harassment, his lack of safety provisions on set, and her character and intentions which aren't even relevant to those things? O.o do you realize how you sound right now?
@@mads597 Lively’s lawyers took the emojis out, which is typically what you do in a court doc, ignoramus.
And I got news for you: Baldoni’s complaint ALSO edited the texts. Oooops. Boy do you look silly.
I still haven't figured out why Baldoni´s lawyer released this video and the bizarre voicemail. These are not compelling proofs. The angry mob against Lively finds it is proof of her lying but I haven´t seen to. They all dismiss that Lively looks uncomfortable in the video, although she genuinely looks uncomfortable , and it is a movie set is a work place too. there should have been safe guards
I wish EVERYONE commenting on this case would see this video before talking about how he’s brung receipts. I find his receipts extremely lacking. And also, if you believe him, his case makes zero logical sense. You have to ignore how text extractions are known to work, you have to think Steph jones ATTORNEY committed 50 felonies to remove an emoji. And that emoji ‘magically’ reverses the meaning of all his texts making it ‘look like’ they back up her ‘completely made up’ allegations.
Make that story make sense. And that’s just HIS side. You don’t even have to consider her ‘mean girl’ personality as a false argument to disprove his entire theory of the case.
Thank you so much for explaining what so many choose to ignore.
people seem to forget that "Fawn" is a trauma response too.
OMG it's so hard to watch. She's obviously uncomfortable in so many of those moments. Laughter does not mean someone isn't uncomfortable.
In many cultures that kind of false laughter is a sure sign of embarrassment and discomfort!
It’s a romance movie and they were supposed to film a romantic scene as scripted if she was uncomfortable do not book the movie as an actress
@hookashley It is in fact, it was really hard to watch. A perfect example of epistemic injustice. Women, and marginalized populations are prone to suffer it. I hated the way he went for her neck, no matter what his character would do, he talked as himself when he said "Am I getting beard on you today?"
@linamariaperezmedina5883 That was the hardest part for me to watch.
Are you serious?? She could have said she’s uncomfortable at any given moment! They were acting in a LOVE SCENE!
This video is literally prove of sexual harassment and I cannot believe people can't see that.
They had a script and the script didn't involve certain things that he did WITHOUT her consent, that is textbook sexual harassment.
This is my space. Thank you all for seeing what I saw; because with all these vile comments on her being a b&*(C and controlling I started to doubt what I saw. This guy keeps leaning in, she tries to talk to him about trying to keep it more laid back and he just keeps touching her. She is fighting for her personal space and boundaries! While trying to be sweet and nice.
I know, it's crazy making reading the comments on other clips with the hate toward Blake. Like did we read and see and HEAR the same thing!?! 🤔🤯 It's just a witch hunt 😢
@@nicolesmith2095 As always with these situations I am astounded by the number of women who downplay what happens and do not recognize the inappropriateness of his actions. Also with the voice message he leaked. Creepy AF but no...he is being all apologetic why is she being so mean....pfff Having worked in male dominated environments with a lot of mysogynistic vibes this is all too familiar.
Men need to do better: once you know what to look for, Lively's discomfort, nervous laughs, and attempts to de-escalate through deflecting are extremely obvious! 😱 🤯
Part of the problem is that for decades, men have been socially trained to see these soft rejections (often used when a woman feels unsafe to say no directly) as being "coy" or "hard to get." Watch any Hollywood blockbusters marketed towards (young) men from the '10s or prior. Women being coerced - and often just flat-out graped! - is sickeningly framed as a steamy romantic conquest. The toxic "rationale" was that women play hard to get but secretly want whatever the guy wants too. (Hello, entitled male main character syndrome!) The producers, directors, and other men in positions of power of those hit films were steeped in grape culture and telling on themselves. They hid in plain sight (as Baldoni seems to have done) and indoctrinated the next generation into viewing abuse with "getting the girl." 🤮
Thanks for breaking down the footage that men like Baldoni use as "evidence." Unpacking grape culture means we are educating and keeping safe not only women, but men. (Once you go beyond the archaic and woefully insufficient "no means no" to understand the basics of FRIES consent vs coercion and power dynamics, fears of being falsely accused plummet to near zero.) It also means that predators can no longer gaslight and get away with playing the weaponized incompetence "but I didn't know I thought she was into it" card which adds further insult and injury to their victims. 👏 (The Narcissist's Prayer on full display is especially vile in Baldoni's case, as he centered his career around being a "male ally" so there is literally no excuse to pretend he didn't know these basics of consent and safe workplace conduct.)
Yeah though even that falls flat because of the subject matter of the movie. I have little regard for Hoover as a author and I doubt she used all markers of the romantic genre (accomplished man, hyper competent, emotionally distant except for her, anger and control frames as passion and desire, etc) as a solid deconstruction. ( Seriously the other male lead fights for her in a classic two men fighting to possess a woman but he's the good one. Also sll her books still use those tropes). But undoubtedly all his red and pink flags are called into question by the narrative when physical abuse starts happening. Baldoni knows all this. He knows his character is manipulating and escalating intimacy and is doing so without his co -star on board. People keep forgetting this is a movie scene with a script, Lively isn't reacting to verbal and non-verbal consent seeking she's trying to do her job, nail the scene and stay in character. Baldoni is the director he can make it her job that her character does x or y and if she contests this the project is in jeopardy or she gets maligned as we are seeing now. It's very frustrating
They want her to be next Amber so desperately😒. "Look, look, another one. I can now downplay problem with two examples. This one is new!"
And Amber Heard too had very solid proof of being physically abused from early on in their relationship. But that gets ignored because he had better lawyers in one court case and she comes across as unlikable. As well as all the proof of him having violent outbursts from time to time and all the misogynist stuff in writing and lying about how his finger got injured. It seems many people believe some women deserve to be abused.
It's definitely the PR team's plan to draw the parallels between heard and Lively because Depps case was such a slam dunk. So now all beautiful hollywood actresses are liars who make false allegations I guess.
This is all great except pls don’t think joking someone should surgically fix their body is “a bit too far.” It is too far. Don’t do that to people in your life pls and thx.
I agree with you, however when this is a stress reaction to getting sexually harassed and trying to say "I'm not attracted to you, can you stop it already?!" and is in distress, then putting attention on that aspect is just fuelling sexism.
Tell me, if a person gets up into another person's face and they are startled and react with pushing them away (that's what she's verbally doing) do you also go and tell people "hey, don't push away people randomly in everyday settings though alright?"
That's what you're doing. You are dissecting the DEFENSE REACTION of a startled uncomfortable survivor of abuse who's backed in a corner significantly more than you are dissecting the boundary crossing CHOICES the her abuser who is IN CONTROL of each next step.
She's navigating in a fight, light, freeze response while being FULLY AWARE that her surrounding is full of sexists like you, who'll be more concerned with defending abusers or theoretical people who may get hurt by reactions like her, over her who's experiencing abuse.
It's sick. You are paft of the problem. Sort it out. Bringing upabise is not safe with people like you around. You can discuss how appropriate or inappropriate her reaction to her abuse was AFTER you have held her abuser accountable. Get the damn order right. And next time you are in a fire or traffic accident or are getting robbed you also better be at your textbook behaviour 🤦🏻♀️
Outside of the lack of consent there is a total lack of professionalism on his part. Outside of the obvious discomfort of his co-worker, I wouldn't hire Baldoni for anything I wanted work for because he is simply winging it in a most unprofessional manner.
not only that, but if I was running a 25 million dollar production about DV. I'd have signed consent forms for EVERY.THING.
it's incredible to me that he flat admits to paying her THREE MILLION dollar salary without a signed contract.
she refuses to sign her nudity rider, he's got HR complaints on day 1, and he's joking about it to crew, and he flat admits she's taking comments personally in the bar.
it's insane to me that he says he was unaware of issues. refusing to sign a contract seems like a pretty big issue. and if she's falsly offended by innocent comments I sure as hell wouldn't be mocking her and making HR 'jokes' I'd be having witnesses, and signed consent forms.
At this point, it is very telling of the type of person that you are on the inside, depending on who you're choosing to side with at this point. 💯
I can't wait for Blake to drop all of her receipts specially the one where Justin talks about her dead father!
If it's true I want justice for her. And for, that she'll have to bring something that isn't edited or taken out of context in her favour like what's out there so far
what's sad is it legit seems like 95% of the country is stupid and unhinged.
@@dearbrave4183 It’s so easy to throw those words “out of context” around to excuse an abuser, isn’t it.
Especially since you can keep claiming that no matter what happens. There will never be enough context for you.
@manderly33 the problem is you have zero context because you're ignorant about what's even being discussed.
You don't even know why the footage was released to begin with . If you knew and still supported Blake atleast I would respect it, but you're completely clueless.
@@dearbrave4183 LOL how do you know I don’t know? You’re just accusing me of ignorance because I’ve pointed out how many stupid things you’ve said.
Baldoni released the footage because he thinks it supports his argument. It doesn’t.
I so appreciate you making such accessible and concise videos on this topic. I
His self righteousness and putting out information that makes HIM look bad, just makes me wonder what worse stuff is still hidden....
This is why I think that Sony message is so bad for them, they are asking to waive credit and they want TS song.
heath is like "call me"
and Sony just went from 0 to 100 Instantly saying "hey if you don't wanna play ball good luck with that"
If a company like sony suddenly want everything in writing, to me that kinda means the CEO Flat frikken commanded that to be the case. And the only way I think ANY of that taking away of premiere stuff happens is if they asked around and just knew like you said that it was prolific and had many many witnesses.
everybody is talking about RR and BL "power" but Sony doesn't wanna get sued for stealing a movie for a hundred million dollars either. they flat told him to walk away or there is no movie.
And then I'm also wondering, maybe they couldn't go against the completion bond if the failure was their own negligence or something?
The third HR complaint involving someone other than Lively ("the thing with Jamey and her apartment in nyc") hasn't been talked about at all yet.
@@ex.patriarch where was that mentioned? I didn't even know about that. Was that an Abel text?
@ I'm also DYING for the guy who filed the ageism complaint Abel mentioned to file suit for how dismissive of it she was. Doesn't seem like HR took the complaint too seriously if it even exists.
@@TheJunkFarm I'd missed it too until it was pointed out. Lively's original filing page 48. Nathan and Abel discuss three HR complaints, two not from Lively.
Wait, she wasn't denied an intimacy coordinator. She was offered one but she refused to meet up with the intimacy coordinator ahead of shooting. There are text messages out there confirming this. And there's two intimacy coordinators credited in this film and they would be only present for sex and nudity scenes as according to industry standards. Just pointing that out.
I do wonder why the clip shown doesn't start from the beginning of the conversation and seems to have been clipped off? Because Lively does suggest talking is more romantic first before the clip you featured started. Then Baldoni jumps in to say what he said about looking into each other's eyes like him and his wife. I suggest people search up the full clip and watch it for yourself and make your own judgment.
To be clear, I'm not taking sides, but I feel like people need to be objective and not twist the truth to whatever ideology they may have, even if I hold the same ideology, because that's not helpful either to the situation or to their ideological cause. Personally I think people are too quick to take sides and do not understand why people don't try to remain objective and wait for all the information to come out. By prematurely taking sides for one or the other to me tarnishes someone's credibility and takes away from the legitimate and needed conversation on such important topics, because it gives fuel to one side to write you off. And for someone who wants to observe this objectively as well as feel like patriarchy is an issue in society but it doesn't mean it applies to all specific cases, I feel gaslit by those taking sides due to their own biases instead of taking a step back and looking at it objectively waiting for more evidence to come out.
Anyways to be fair, he did say some questionable things like that exchange like commenting how she smelled good. But while his version of events is close but doesn't 100% lineup with his written complaints, similarly Lively's complaints also doesn't line up either. The truth imo is somewhere in the middle and I can see how two people can misconstrue events from their point of view. It just makes me sad that people so easily take sides and turn this into an ideological battle rather taking a step back and letting the dust settle first.
Having an intimacy coordinator and the other requests she made also would have protected him. When their is power imbalance, people are often afraid to speak. The coordinator could have made sure she is comfortable and that he didn't get sued. Women are often accused of over reacting so we minimize our responses. We lean back to avoid the contact and laugh things off. Then get accused of being ok with it because we were silent. But get gas lighted and told we should be ok with it when we are direct. If she is uncomfortable, she is uncomfortable. Trying ro convince her it isn't uncomfortable doesn't alleviate her concerns, it just makes her feel like she has no recourse. Why do these people have to find ways of getting what they want instead of accepting your no? It is not ok. It is still forcing someone if you use other forms of pressure other than physical violence.
You can look at this from so many angles. If you look at it from a sexual harassment angle as she claimed in her lawsuit, there is none in this footage. If you look at it from a director's perspective, it appears she's trying to direct him when it's well-known that he's the director. He's trying to get a scene done and she keeps talking off character. It's unprofessional and he's trying his best to tactfully and respectfully get her to follow his directions (HE'S THE DIRECTOR.) This is not a lawsuit about uncomfortableness. If that was a thing I'd sue a lot of people for making me feel uncomfortable.
@koolpebble it is sexual harassment if she was being touched in a way that made her uncomfortable without forewarning and was denied the things she requested to make her feel more comfortable. She wanted it to stop and it did not. This video shows exactly what she claimed it did and not what he claimed it did.
Your discomfort is enough to sue if you did your due diligence to ask them to stop or seek other reasonable solutions that just got declined. I'm sorry that you believe that someone else's desires must always come before your comfort or discomfort in how someone treats you. And no, I'm not talking about discomfort because you don't like someone's hair or something like that. I mean actual behavior directed at you or inappropriate behavior done in front of you when you have to occupy the same space.
@@koolpebblebot.
@@koolpebble Oof, you are showing your ignorance of moviemaking here.
He never should have crossed these lines.
It was not in the script.
It was not previously discussed or agreed upon.
And, as the scene was not supposed to be sexual, there was no intimacy coordinator present to enforce boundaries.
Baldoni was wrong. End of story.
This is not a debate over how likable Lively is.
This is a question of right and wrong, abuses of power, and so on.
This is great training material for learning about consent.
I’m an actress and this is creepy behavior on his part. If a scene partner did this with me I might knee him, right THERE.
When I’ve done kissing scenes I’ve said, “if I feel tongue, you’ll feel teeth.”
Unfortunately a lot of actors use these types of scenes to be gross. In one class alone two much older men tried to set me up to kiss them. There’s soooo many ways men and women can interact but it often turns seggsual when men are involved.
And I’m not a fan of Lively, she seems like a mean girl, but I’m glad she speaking up now.
this is a film about romance turned into DV! Maybe an actress should think twice before signing up to a film like this if intimacy makes her “uncomfortable”!!!
@@annainkala6219 Maybe you should stop talking about an industry you clearly know nothing about.
@@annainkala6219maybe a dude should cya and get written consent on a film about dv to avoid the possibility of someone lying about him and taking his movie from him?
Sheer negligence on his part. Also, I can say that personally, after the first hr complaint, if I thought it was unfair I’d have had a female assistant shadow me like glue taking notes of everything I said and did to prove my side, and I sure as hell wouldn’t be making hr jokes in front of the entire cast and crew to announce the hr issues and make everyone on set start noticing them. But that’s just me.
@ hr jokes?!?!
@@annainkala6219yeah ‘ sorry I must’ve missed the hr meeting’ which he apparently thought was his ‘apology’ when she took his ‘hot’ comment ‘personally’ revealing that he was totally lying when he said he was unaware of issues before her letter.
If an employee was taking things I said personally and seggualy I’d not be calling out HR and mocking that person I’d be taking notes and never being alone with that person without a witness to cover my own ass.
Also, at one point Justin calls Blake's marriage dynamic 'cute' and Lively responds with 'it's more than cute' in a firm voice. That is SO clearly saying 'remember and respect I'm in a relationship and I do not appreciate you crossing personal boundaries the way you have'.
Is it so clearly saying that?
@FishareFriendsNotFood972 That stood out to me, too! She was uncomfortable but wasn’t going to let him trivialize her marriage with a ‘cute’ label!
I took the nose joke in the same vain
Justin Baldoni mentioned his wife first - almost as if HE was reminding HER they are both married and this is a scene in a movie - not real life flirting. This scene could be interpreted differently depending on which side a person wants it to vindicate 🤷♀️
Yeah, like telling him to get a nose job.
Thank you so much for this.
that first clip is so uncomfortable! She's clearly not wanting to discuss her and Ryan (tells him to shut up) then she clearly doesn't want hear about him and his wife (tries to cut him off before he finished the story, then awkward laughing) then he says it would terrify her, like is he trying to make her uncomfortable? the sociopath comment isn't the most flattering response someone could make, but it totally makes sense in the context of the convo.
I know that actors can direct movies they're in, but I would have thought they'd be going back to see how it all looks on screen before changing/adding anything, why is he improvising when he has no clue how it all looks on screen?
This is so disturbing. I don't understand why people cannot see the abuse when it's right there on the video?!.
What makes it worse is Blake couldn't even quit and walk away. She was under contract. she couldn't escape. I can see her discomfort. It makes me sad to watch this. It's clear to me why she brought her husband onto the set. It was for her protection.
On the positive side, the more 'evidence' justin releases to the media, the more he is showing us exactly who he is. And it's putrid.
Let's hope these videos will help shine a light on abuse in the workplace 😢
This is 100% why these issues dont get reported. I just saw a few other vieeos saying that this video is clear proof that shes lying. And every woman thats been through this knows full well the man that did it to her is using this as proof that we're all liars. Thank you so much for your objective breakdowns of these videos and cases.
@Expatriarch would love to hear your thoughts on Emily Baldoni describing the beginning of their relationship on the podcast Man Enough.
The ep is called Emily Baldoni: The Invisible Work of Women.
09 :50 Emily taking about grand gestures (love bmg?) and she describes how he made her feel uncomfortable, and kept telling her she was his soulmate when she wasn’t sure about the relationship.
1 : 08 Emily said to him “babe you need to read your own book”
What I found particularly disturbing was when he made himself cry half way through and looked straight at the camera for a split second.
There seemed to be a lot of red flags about his habit of ignoring boundaries. (There is a lot of self indulgent navel gazing that he does so apologies if you do sit through it)
Ooof. Yikes.
Oh hey finally a NOT sexist take 👋🏾.. now why am I not subscribed to you yet? Let’s go ahead fix that ✅
nawwwww not to be a "body language expert" or anything but did anyone else see the way Lively flinched/balked at him sniffing her neck?
Dude, go watch the whole video for yourself.
We all saw that. She tried to put physical space between them multiple times. Like when he pulls her in after the twist to kiss her, and she put her hand over his chest. Or, when she literally starts bending backwards slightly to avoid his sniffing/kissing. Not to mention that her talk is all about trying to deflect and defuse the situation... Even her slightly ruder joke about his nose is a verbal defense. Short of saying "gtfo creep", she jibes at him *after* he mentioned his big nose.
@ I did :/ what's your point
READ THE BOOK. Ryle is obsessed with Lily’s neck because she has a tattoo there from a previous relationship and he’s jealous & insecure over it. He often kisses her there to make a point. She didn’t read the book which is a problem with her not understanding the full dynamic of the characters’ relationship while he - in character - is portraying material directly from the book.
@ girl absolutely not, we are not using the book and the subject matter to excuse him acting like this. he cannot slip in and out of character without direction, discussion, or warning. this is egregious especially knowing that there was no intimacy coordinator on set. everything else about the book or the character dynamic or whatever is immaterial until he, the director, communicates that this is what he's going to do. no amount of "he was in character" will justify that with the minimal direction he gave her he basically did that unprompted. "read the book" unbelievable.
His defenders always say he has receipts! I don’t believe his receipts, especially the ones with his team!Me and my cats can make better than them .
He’s saying he has receipts and then they back up her claims. It’s incredible gaslighting.
Yeah so for his receipts have backed her up and "proven" him to be a liar.
I SO agree he's toying with her! That's his kink. Cat with it's prey. Love your sheild! Love how you break it down and your objectivity. Nice to have honesty and frankness.
You think so? I see an actor filming a scene wherein his character is intended to be dominant. But since you know this man’s personal kinks…
I’m hesitant to call this a kink. It’s non-consensual behavior and inappropriate. No need to associate this behavior with people who practice ethical kink, in my opinion.
“I’m not even attracted to you” is the standard response of abusers when they’re called out. See Trump.
Thank you for another great video. Doing the right thing is so very hard but important. There will always be the enablers and flying monkeys - people who don't really care about the truth. They love the drama, idolize people and don't really look any deeper. I believe in never taking sides - but taking a stand as you are doing by speaking the truth and really looking at the evidence.
I’m only in 3:23 and I am already so incredibly uncomfortable for Blake
This is crazy...
It's so obviously for me that Lively is uncomfortable... And yet, there's enough people who not believing her!
That's devastating.
And if she would create a scene there and in exact moment - she immediately would be called "hysterical" or "difficult to work with".
Women victims just cant win... 💔
Thank you for making this video! 💛
Being uncomfortable means she is harassed?
She was codirecting throughout the video. She had tons of power on this set
@@lilij1915, they both had tons of power on this set.
@@lilij1915, well, I thought that when you being touched without your permission on work place it's called being harassed. No?
@@hannabio2770 keep that energy when the footage comes out of Blake kissing based on her whims
Thank you for applying some thought and proper analysis to this piece of Baldoni PR.
It's not proper analysis when he takes everything out of context. You gotta understand BL is suing JB for sexual harassment. The footage in its raw version does not align with what she claims. No sexual harassment here.
@@koolpebbleLooks like we don’t need a trial in a court of law after all! 😂
Thank you
This is not the entire video…
@@kristalrodriguez9698 correct it is linked in the description
Even in the first clip, it looks like she's uncomfortable and laughing to diffuse the tension. Idk how any of this would make Lively look like she's in the wrong.
She was uncomfortable just dancing, which is what the scene was supposed to be.
@@catxtrallways point being why do the role if the very thought of being touched was bothersome. It appeared the dancing alone made her uncomfortable, which is an issue for her not him. She is uncomfortable therefore In her mind it automatically must be something he is doing.
As much as I would love to believe this, it’s edited and doesn’t show the entire video.
@@kristalrodriguez9698 full video is linked in description
After watching the entire released clip, I cannot agree with your interpretation. The context in the entirety of the full clip doesn’t align with what is being dissected in this video.
The context in his entire nyt and 400 mil lawsuits don’t agree with objective reality. That’s not how emoji’s work in court filings, and if she wasn’t signing contracts and he admits she was taking his ‘innocent’ comments personally in the bar well then, he’s also admitting that he’s lying when he says he had no idea there were any issues until the 17 point letter.
@@TheJunkFarm emojis emojis
@ only thing that matters. But hey if you wanna switch it up, what date were the texts hiring the IC? Was Jen Abel lying in the email claiming lively had 2 hr complaints or was she lying when she told tmz there were none?
Why would baldoni ‘apologize’ to lively for her ‘taking it personally’ when he said hot in a bar? And wouldn’t that be an hr issue proving he was aware of problems before the letter he claimed he was blindsided with? Is ‘sorry I missed the hr meeting” the ‘apology’ or did he just forget to deny that part?
Does the birth vid exist? Or did she make that up? Is the ceo of wayfarer naked in that vid screenshot?
Hey, why is Justin baldon’i;s publicist suing him, and Abel, and Nathan for smearing HER? what part of a ‘defensive non retaliatory’ smear campaign was releasing kill stories about his publicist?
I’m so new to this that I don’t even understand the words, I’ll find the first video.
His team released this!!! They are just stealing his money at this point, he has NFI. this is desperate. I completely empathise with Blake. I feel so bad for her. This made my skin crawl. I think any women who sees this that is still defending Baldoni, is an disgusting enabler. They're publicly saying, it's ok that "some" women are not protected, There giving permission to men to carry on harming women. like it's ok as long as they're not the victim. I think a lot of these are just bots, but It's actually heartbreaking to me to see women not supporting women. I hope everyone shares this video.
Don't worry. There are still women who support women and true victims. Fortunately for her, this footage shows she wasn't sexually harassed. So, you don't have to feel bad that not a lot more people are supporting her. Please go see the full footage for yourself.
@Perhaps you missed the HR meeting or your just not a decent person. You may not understand how sexual harassment is defined. This is just one of many incident's mentioned over an extended period of time. This "footage" proves the counter complaint is complete BS. Her experience & detailed complaints about his behaviour are supported. This just looks like more retaliation assisted by the PR team facilitating this smear campaign. Why are you missing that critical point bot? It does show he really had no idea what he was doing directing & acting at the same time, it was overly ambitious of him.
@ well said
Thank you!
Baloni’s fans are mastering the art of willful ignorance. Ripping apart victims like Blake Lively in the public eye is their twisted form of entertainment. If they had to face the reality of the situation, they’d be forced to give up their sadistic version of “fun.”
That’s a needlessly uncharitable take, cruel and insensitive to those who disagree with your opinion who happen to be DV survivors. But what do you care I guess
It’s not fun. Grow up.
@ I don’t think it’s cruel to call out harmful behavior when it involves tearing someone down without evidence or compassion. My point isn’t to dismiss the pain of survivors-quite the opposite. It’s about how some people weaponize situations like this to feed into public shaming, which helps no one. If you truly believe it’s not “fun,” then I hope we can agree on the need for more thoughtful and constructive conversations moving forward.
@@mads597 Being a DV survivor does not make you an expert on other people’s experiences. This also isn’t DV, it’s workplace harassment. But maybe you’re getting her confused with Amber Heard, who you’re also brigading?
I RUclipsr I heavily follow was disrespectful of these “leaked” bts footage and was basically downplaying her obvious discomfort, simply she font like her “plantation wedding” (which I despise myself) ass her egoistical, much richer husband) having azz.
She also brought up the history of yt women doing false accusations towards random blk men as her justification and say use “critical thinking skills “ to further shut opposing opinions down further. The commenters obviously saw this and used this in both the livestream chat and comment section of the same livestream to both victim Lively and to say she’s full of it and is also trying ruin Baldoni’s life in revenge.
Was this creator black? Because I've seen this take and it's weird because black people aren't involved in this. Baldoni is not a black man. The romance genre itself is overwhelming white, to the point that its bias resulted in the collapse of the romance writers of America. White woman have weaponized patriarchy against black people and the history there is dark with lynching and murder by cop. I'm sure Blake has weaponized her white womanhood in the past and will do so in the future but that's not relevant to what's happening in front of us. It's a weird tokenizing red herring.
I watched that video and heard from people on both sides and their interpretation. I can see what both sides are saying. However, I need to know just one thing: was this sort of touching choreographed and consented to ahead of time through an intimacy coordinator? Because if it was not, it is sexual harassment. General consent is not the same as specific consent. Just because Blake Lively took on that role does not mean she has consented to any specific sort of touching. Yes, I find her to be an insecure person who is often rude to people. I think that pattern of behavior is established. It does not make it okay for someone to sexually harass her. The fact that she did have power made it so she could even address the situation and try to change it. Many other women are not so lucky.
What “pattern of behavior” are you talking about? What evidence do you have of that? Because the one piece “evidence” I have seen is ONE interview.
Also, whether she is rude has no bearing on whether she was harassed. It’s not contextual to keep bringing it up.
I honestly don’t think there’s a “both sides” interpretation here. It all supports her.
@manderly33 I have seen and heard much more than one interview. You, of course, don't have to believe or agree with me. I was only saying it was an established pattern of behavior in MY mind. The reason I brought it up is because people on the other side of the argument keep bringing it up as a reason for why she shouldn't be believed or why Baldoni may be acting that way. I was merely saying that even if I agree that Blake Lively has been rude, it doesn't excuse Baldoni's behavior.
And the fact that people CAN interpret the video differently shows that there is more than one possible interpretation.
It clearly wasn't. I feel like the near kisses were at first - but it all very clearly fell apart after he did the neck kiss. It's so clear to me that wasn't arranged. After that she started talking more, pulling away more, grimacing more etc.
But also, there was no intimacy coordinator on set. That was his job the arrange and it would have protected him as much as her... though they wouldn't have let him get away with this, so there's probably a reason why he didn't want one there.
And yes. While I don't find blake lively a particularly likeable person, and acknowledge she is potentially also someone who may have also played a role in making a h0stile work environment for others in the past -- I appreciate that in this case she is using her power in a way that will protect others from him.
@@experiencingbeauty8687ok. What were the other interviews besides the one with the Swedish journalist? How many?
@manderly33 You do realize that I agree with you about the sexual harassment part, right? We just disagree about the rudeness part. And I'm not willing to spend time and energy laying out a case with evidence for a stranger on the internet who doesn't really seem open to hearing what I'd have to say anyway.
Thank you for your videos! Are very well explained! You deserve hundreds of thousands of likes! I appreciate you are on Blake's side, even if you get less views due to the unpopular opinion!
You are the best! All my respect!
You got so much of this wrong, it shows that people should go watch the raw footage themselves. You cherry-picked and changed up Blake's claims for her. I hope you get less views.
I completely agree with you. Watched the full released footage and I see two people trying to work together to make this scene believable. Some differing points of view, but overall they both have a say in what’s going on for this scene.
I cannot believe this interpretation of what is clearly a dance scene depicting a man chasing after a woman and the woman acting demure and coy. The age old dance if seduction. It's clear that the acting is being confused with real life settings in this analysis. Her character is meant to pull away. Give us a break. As a DV survivor I absolutely know the difference
Thank you I am also a survivor and I can’t with this nonsense vilification of an actor filming a scene. It’s a dance scene! In a movie about an abuser!
So what are you saying- that he as a director was in the right to conduct himself like this with no consultation with his scene partner so she would look more believable when she pulled away?
He had to become the abvser to play the abvser and that's okay?
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004For context, the script calls for no talking. And you also have to remember that it's his movie so his directions should be final. His idea was for them both to stare lovingly into each other's eyes while dancing. But she wanted to go into a different direction by talking and talking and talking out of character. That was not in the script. He really wanted to diplomatically get her to see it from his perspective but she disagreed with him. For you to say, she wasn't consulted is unfair because she received the script in advance. If she didn't read the script that was unprofessional and a problem on her part. Why sign up for a movie with scenes you don't agree with? And in what world does an actor have a say in the direction or editing of a movie? This is why this case is so bizarre. You really should go see the full footage for yourself. And oh, there's no sexual harassment in this footage as she claims.
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 No. I'm saying there is no abuse here whatsoever. It's a clip of 2 actors slow dancing in a romantic scene . It's all stuff and nonsense
@jacquigraham7814 two actors, but one of them is being harassed by the other while trying to do their profession
Seems like JB had a crush on BL and she didn't reciprocate
You can look at this from so many angles. If you look at it from a sexual harassment angle as she claimed in her lawsuit, there is none in this footage. If you look at it from a director's perspective, it appears she's trying to direct him when it's well-known that he's the director. He's trying to get a scene done and she keeps talking off character. It's unprofessional and he's trying his best to tactfully and respectfully get her to follow his directions (HE'S THE DIRECTOR.) This is not a lawsuit about uncomfortableness. If that was a thing I'd sue a lot of people for making me feel uncomfortable.
This is cope.
Lol, YOU apparently can rationalize and pretend it shows what you want from many angles so you can claim to be open minded about your biases. Also, just fyi, ‘uncomfortable’ in a work environment is, in fact, what Sh is about.
@TheJunkFarm but is she uncomfortable because he's being inappropriate or is she uncomfortable because, as she explained in the video showed, looking into each other's eyes silently is not something she and her husband do in their private life?
@ I guess it just depends on how desperately you’re trying to ignore the dozens of other allegations and reams of admissions and lies he’s told about all this other things as well.
I hope this case goes to trial. Because some reactions after the result are gonna be really something.
She seems so uncomfortable.. I've seen people use "she denied the use of a intimacy coordinator" as evidence against her 🙄
Ooh yes, this is the evidence I need to see! Not looking good, Baldoni. Oh no, not good….
I disagree with this whole take, this video does not confirm BL claims in any way. It's a scene that was improvised about "falling in love" we don't know what was talked about and what wasn't prior. I am not taking her side as a victim simply because she seems completely disingenuous, she was seeking control for this movie and she got it.
What proof do you have that she was “seeking control of the movie” other than your own woman-hatey feelies?
You don’t need to know what was talked about prior because she says IN THE VIDEO that she thinks they should talk instead of kiss, after he does *exactly what she said he did in the complaint*.
Um, perhaps you don't understand because you don't know what goes into to acting out a silent montage scene. 1st, everyone has a script. That script describes what is supposed to be going on. What people are in the room and what the feeling of the scene will be. The scene is a silent montage so talking sh*t often happens. 2nd, the scene called for them to be dancing, falling in love and being in their own world. The scene did not require a scene coordinator because there was no sex or nudity. There are descriptions online to give you what their job entails. You seem to miss every part of the beginning of the rebuttal. For example, the nose. She does reference his nose 1st. Saying "Its so nosey" "its like all noses". If I didn't know better, Id say you are gaslighting everyone that has ears and can see. What she said in her papers does not match what we see and hear.
Better than googling something, I happen to work in film and work with ICs (they’re not called “scene coordinators”) and they can be hired to choreograph ANY KIND OF INTIMACY.
Second, the whole point is that he did things not in the script in this scene.
Man how can you contradict yourself so blatantly and remain so obtuse?
Not all intimacy is sex or nudity. He’s winging it on the fly and adding intimacy, without discussion, without consent, and importantly, without the ic he claims was always there.
He asks he for a shot with their lips close. THAT is how it’s supposed to work. And then he just drags his lips down her neck sniffing her without saying a damn thing about if that’s ok or how she’s supposed to prepare or react to it.
@Metonymy1979 did you miss the part where he's actively doing intimate things like kissing her that is *not* included in the script *they* provided? Yes, dancing involves physical contact. But dancing does not involve kissing or nuzzling her neck. And if he wanted those things included, he could have told her. She improvised affection through means like laughter, cute dancing choreo like spinning, and talking. He improvised affection by finding different ways to put his lips on her. I think we need to stop acting like we can't understand why that would be uncomfortable for her, especially if there wasn't discussion about it beforehand.
@yundorphin Can you point to where I can read the script that says what you are saying? I can appreciate that you probably have never directed people in a movie. I have. Acting is not the same as working in an office. From what I've read, they were "falling in love". Have you ever been in love? Or filmed a scene of 2 people falling in love? I'm not sure if you understand what silent scenes are required so that the audience is not confused about what's happening in the scene, but the scene was for them to portray not merely dating but falling deeply in love. Talking and dancing does not denote that emotion. And, from what I have read, the script did say touching, hugging , light kissing and dancing was expressed.
@@manderly33 That is not what I read. Can you point me to where I can read that info? They are referred to as both because there is only one person onset that is called the scene coordinator and that's the intimacy coordinator. Most crew knows they are one and the same. Do you really work on sets? Because that's pretty standard.
I’ve watched lawyer channels go through the lawsuits on both sides. I read the text messages and saw the video. There’s too much biased and exaggerated writing on both sides. There’s too much incomplete context on both sides. There’s too much reading into the behavior on both sides. There’s too many people saying it’s completely obvious- which is false given that different people are all seeing different things in the exchange. That said, one of their versions seemed more aligned to what I’ve seen and heard, so far.. It makes me sad, though, for many in this comment section who seem so… broken… and twisted in their thinking.
There’s only repeated lying and nonsense excuses on baldoni’s side.
Agree. Each side is saying “It’s so obvious!”
@ yeah, and only one has actual examples. If you think the texts were modified then it’s on you to show why we should ignore every white paper you can easily google like ‘can your investigation interpret emoji” and explain HOW/why you think Steph jones attorney committing 50 felonies is more likely than it being yet another lie from baldoni
I’m sorry yall are misguided. I highly encourage you to look into Blake’s husband Ryan Reynolds, and his role in all this drama. He is the actual male villain you’re looking for…not Justin. I am disappointed in your take on this expatriarch. I thought your analytical skills were more refined than your opinion on this particular issue. You do understand that patriarchal misogyny exists in women too, right? Smh
Oh no. He put a joke about baldoni in that movie that he did.
What a predatory monster.
I think the only villains in this case are Justin Baldoni and Wayfarer!
Yes, women also perpetuate patriarchy. Some of them are in this comment section defending Baldoni and Heath.
Yes, y’all are misguided, allow me to direct your attentions wayyyyy over here to this other completely unrelated shiny object.
AND Baldoni IS IN CHARACTER until he shouts Cut! That’s called acting. You can see the shift in him. HES AN ACTOR ACTING IN A SCENE!
He’s the director. That’s why he called cut, nimrod. This is cope.
You think mentioning his WIFE is 'being in character'? LOLOLOL
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 They were dancing as RYLE AND LILY! While talking as themselves. Why else even make the whole scene? IT WAS PART OF THE MOVIE!
@@annainkala6219 You just really love unnecessary caps lock, lol
Are you ok bro?
All of this would be warranted…but they’re actors who are supposed to be ACTING like they’re falling in love.
She kept insisting that they should just keep talking throughout the whole scene. She’s coming across nervous and resistant to what is fairly minor for physical closeness, if compared to s3x scenes.
If she was a woman in an office setting being harassed by her manager, yeah, this would be exactly what you describe. But she’s meant to be doing an intimate no-audio dance montage from what she marketed as a Rom Com! Why wouldn’t some small near-kisses or nuzzling be considered harassment??
This is so awkward. I’ve seen videos of actual DV survivors saying her response is gaslighting people into thinking this was some kind of boundary crossing, but your channel is fully with her, not even for a second recognizing how her husband was weirdly very involved, he threatened Baldoni & forced him to apologize, etc. m
In this scene, she’s refusing to follow most of his instructions & actually forcing her own direction on him. The director. Sure she’s giggling while doing it half the time, I know giggling is sometimes a way to passify nervousness. But given her task here. She’s just coming across awkward, or kinda bad at her job.
I’m also super confused by your repeated statements about Wayfairer denying the protection of an intimacy coordinator. It was Blake Lively who chose to opt out of using the IC!!! 😫 what is happening, please read the documents. She also said HERSELF in a red carpet interview, same one as the one where she admitted Ryan re-wrote the roof scene during the writers’ strike 😑 that she chose to be her own IC, but admitted this was not usual or normal.
She said it in the interview while giggling, she didn’t look like anyone was preventing her from accessing one. She turned it down from the start. Maybe she asked for them afterwards, I don’t recall. But just like she took over the wardrobe, she also took over the intimacy work.
Not saying Baldoni is perfect, I believe he made errors too, but h this video isn’t what you’re describing, I’m sorry. If I didn’t hear her rebuttal, I’d have little idea what you’re talking about. But you’re echoing it, so I get it.
I’ve also been harassed in the workplace before, so I hate that I can’t see what you see, except her awkwardness, which I’m reading as insecurity or a woman who can’t act/lacks chemistry with her lead? but I was a server in a restaurant, my job was not to look cozy & in love with my coworker for pay. Her job is to look & act like she’s dizzy in lust/love. If she didn’t want to do that, why take the job?
No, it in fact isn't her job to just accept whatever intimacy he decides to throw on her during a scene with it not being consented to during a discussion. What an awful job that would be. I'm sure it used to be like that, but luckily times have changed for the better. And here we clearly see the issue this caused, because she wasn't sure where the line between acting and real life was, and that made her very uncomfortable. And together with his other actions, it made her feel sexually harassed at her work.
He has read the documents. You haven't though - clearly.
Also even if she refused to see the IC (she refused to see them out of hours - as all workers should have a right to do). One still should have been on set for filming an intimate scene (which this is) - and it was up to him as a director to arrange that. Instead he chose not to so he could get away with stuff like this.
Well said!
@@koolpebbleNot well said at all.
You clearly have absolutely no idea how film sets, acting or sexual harassment laws work. This is a child’s understanding of a real job that can pay millions. We’re also unionized, FYI. You can just force an actress to do whatever you want.
And thank godzilla for that. And eff you.
Show and react to the whole footage with no cuts or pauses.
If anything, the footage shows the truth.
And people talk about power imbalances: Blake Lively has more power than Justin.
@catxtrallways If he and his parents are nore powerful than Blake, then why were they all sent to the basement at the premier of his movie?
She comes from a wealthy family, has Ryan Reynolds, Taylor Swift, and most of the elites on her side.
@catxtrallways And the fact that you think being born female is being born less powerful screams you prejudices.
@catxtrallways might sound like it, but Blake IS a rich mean girl whining that her halo effect is crumbling and is finally being exposed.
We only have to look at the patterns here. Many have spoken out about Blake's true colors. There is much evidence out there available.
So far there have been many who have spoken out positively about working with Justin. A pattern with actual hollywood creeps are people coming forward immediately to expose them.
@@shadowilderness364 He has a billionaire backer. And yeah, people are siding with her because they like her.
But on the set he was her boss. He had the power to fire her. He was the director and the producer and the lead actor.
This is cope. He and his buddy harassed her.
@@shadowilderness364 Many have also said they support her and love her, including everyone in this cast and people she’s worked with in the past.
Just say you hate women. It’s shorter.
Me figuring out who is right in this situation is harder than damn algebra
She also touched his face in this scene.
This is a very far stretch. If anything this shows that men everywhere need to be extra careful in the workplace, private and public places. Hollywood really just needs to stop making intimate movies that require male and female roles. It's just too risky after the me too movement.
He keeps trying to kiss her on the mouth, she laughs awkwardly and leans away.
None of this touching and kissing is in the script, hence the lack of an intimacy coordinator being present.
He went too far without a referee (IC) being present and without getting prior consent. Add to this the fact that he is her BOSS here, and the situation becomes an even larger abuse of power.
She is holding him at arms length with her hands. Laughing uncomfortably. Leaning away when he leans in. Deflecting his comments and trying to redirect his attention. She looks stiff and uncomfortable.
Did she need to run away screaming 😱 or sucker punch him to get the point across?
His defense seems to be, "Well she didn't run away screaming so it must have been fine." As if fawn response and freeze response aren't real things...
His second defense is, "Well I'm not attracted to her." As if such a claim can ever be proven/disproven as these are his private thoughts and feelings. And as if men don't insult and put down women all the time after being rejected.
He never should have crossed these lines. It was not in the script. It was not previously discussed or agreed upon. And, as the scene was not supposed to be sexual, there was no intimacy coordinator present to enforce boundaries. Baldoni was wrong. End of story
There was also the part where she got offended and walked away...oh wait 🤔
Also the part where he talked about his wife.
Also, kissing and touching is part of acting. If actresses don't want to do these things then they shouldn't be in intimate films.
Huh
I was thrown off by the upload time.
You cut out the part before he brings up Ryan where Blake breaks the silence by saying she thinks they should be talking, directing him and he is bringing up both relationships to explain why they have differing views on what is romantic...
Because it is an easily disproved reach.
3:12 Baldoni breaks 15s of silence to directs her to brush her hair away to reveal the side of her neck NOT facing camera
3:43 Baldoni breaks 30s of silence to give direction for more crowd reaction
3:53 Lively again suggests they should be talking to make the scene more interesting an in slow motion will give the audience some some fun figuring what they were saying. Baldoni agrees and says "they'll never find out"
4:14 Baldoni breaks 5s of silence to comment on how Lively and Ryan always talk
7:21 Baldoni breaks breaks 21 seconds of silence to say "Am I getting beard on you today?"
@@anitahenderson166
That does make sense, except he's not really steering the scene towards them gazing at each other like he says and instead going for kissing/nuzzling?
That's what I'm getting from Lively here, that they should be talking *instead of getting too physical*
Spare your words. You are talking to a grifter.
@@ex.patriarchthen why not show the entire clip, for transparency’s sake? Why hide bits if they’re so easy to discredit
@mads597 the background music gets the video flagged, which is why I have to reupload a shorter version of this video. There's a link in the description to the full video for you to watch for yourself
The page is so very dishonest on this subject.
Then make a cogent argument as to an actual factual error instead of just a intellectually bankrupt logical fallacy.
@@TheJunkFarm Wow. did you get your thesaurus out there friend? A 'logical fallacy' assumes that I posited an argument but I didn't . I Do appreciate you trying to impress me tho🤗.
This very video proves that Blake Lively is lying yet again. But the author clipped out the most damning evidence (which is honestly most of the vid) and focuses on something innocuous to villainize Baldoni. There is a mountain of evidence proving Lively has lied repeatedly as well as coerced him out of his movie, bullied him into submission and doctored evidence. It's all over the net. You don't need me to argue the points. You've already seen them all and deliberately ignored it.
And to your point you called my once sentence "intellectually bankrupt" and a "fallacy" without presenting an argument either. So what are we really doing here?🙂
Doesn't matter she's a mean-spirited person whose career is done.
@@The1998Deck yet another dodge.
"The page is so very dishonest on this subject."
false argument. appeal to ignorance more specifically.
you got nuthin troll. also you're a lying liar making that intellectually bankrupt argument and then shifting the goalposts avoiding defending it.
@ Projection 🥱
@@The1998Deck how so?
Imagine trying to pull that "I'm not even attracted to you" to Blake Lively? It's such obvious nonsense and sounds exactly like our president.
I’m not attracted to her, it’s nothing personal
He didn't even say that in this footage. Sorry at this point, if there's no evidence he said it, I don't believe it. So far, she's been proven a liar.
@@koolpebbleLMAO not everything is going to be filmed kitten. Life is not a movie. There might be witnesses though. Wouldn’t that be embarrassing for you.
@@mads597 You’re a Baldoni stan.
Blake was not uncomfortable enough since she asked for kisses instead of almost kisses he was giving. Also she didn't want the intimacy coordinator just like she didn't want the stylist/wardrobe. She took over everything.
Now, tables may turn and I stand to be corrected but so far everything looks like she's the villain of the story who felt romantically rejected and is out for revenge.
Also Blake could clearly object and suggest things like she suggested talking because apparently it never happens with hubby who stares like a sociopath to paraphrase her own words
and she also commented on bumpy noses and suggested him getting a nose surgery as a joke.
What i believe her discomfort to stem from is definitely internal not external, feelings can create external discomfort if they are forbidden.
That's my take. But I stand to be corrected, although so far , nothing convinces me otherwise.
It seems like she layed the ground perfectly to corner him
No, she asked to continue talking in the scene. Not 'almost kissing'. Also SHE is the one who went through HR to require Baldoni to get an intimacy coordinator.
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972rewatch the video. Around minute 4 Blake asks for kisses, Baldoni says almost kisses were better
About the intimacy coordinator that was also debunked by Baldoni who released a text exchange between him, Blake and even the coordinator.
Blake refused to see them after Justin asked her to do so. Because she was trying to take over the role of director, whatever Baldoni suggested she always countered
Something we see in this video too.
She wants kisses, he wants almost kisses, He wants silence giving example of how he and his wife do it while dancing and how her and Ryan would do it.
To which she objects and says ,Ryan wouldn't, because he would stare like a sociopath.
Then she proceeds to talk.
Also: needless to remind that Blake didn't read the book. The dancing scene is actually a quiet dancing scene, which she also ruined.
Blake is in a tough spot for trying to play competent director and actress, only to scream offense at things that she would have considered normal had she done her job, or even attempted to do the job she usurped properly.
If she directed the movie and actress Blake has issues then director Blake needs to be held accountable too.
I don’t understand why Justin’s defenders always claim Blake is into him! And he rejected her!Come on! How these crazy women insult a woman who just gave her forth birth,having a husband loves her 100% and 4 beautiful kids!
@@dearbrave4183no,I rewatched,she didn’t ask for kiss!
@@dearbrave4183she never refused,from his messages,she said she would meet when she worked!
Baldoni DID NOT break the silence. Blake Lively did..what are you even talking about !!
And also Blake is always trying undermine him as a director. He's the polite one trying to humour her by talking about her husband and his wife .
The smear campaign was him basically yapping first, but with plausible deniability
@@meep5667 kindly mention the time stamp ..I'd gladly look into it.
@@asitdas8353 Is the argument that because Blake was undermining him as a director, so it’s actually her fault that he behaved in this way? She didn’t let him direct, so that’s why he didn’t tell her before he started kissing her neck?
Not liking it when a man goes off script and kisses you on the neck is undermining?
A woman, not liking unplanned physical contact with a man, is undermining that man?
and where's the IC in all of this?
if anything seals the deal, it's the "im not even attracted to her"
i FELT that
Isn’t that a sign you’re projecting your own experience onto what you see…
But JB didn't say that.
@@koolpebble he released this footage he thought it’s good for him, ofc he chose carefully!
@@koolpebble You have no idea if he did or not. You just hate women and refuse to believe them.
Why was there no intimacy coordinator? We heard from Baldoni's lawyer that there was one, but Lively had refused to meet with her... And that Baldoni discussed all the intimate scenes with her and reported to Lively... 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨☺️🤨🥴
Yeah Baldoni was completely misusing the intimacy coordinator. They should have been on set, especially for scenes like this. This is why Lively asked one be present on set as well as an additional experienced producer and a Sony representative.
It's wild this had to be called out and fought for. Baldoni should have had these protections in place from day one.
I’m wondering why this wasn’t negotiated when Lively signed on to the film
People, she’s grownup professional actor doing a LOVE SCENE! In a movie about DV! How the hell should this scene be made otherwise??? THIS IS ABSURD!
It’s not a love scene. They’re dancing, ffs.
That doesn’t mean he can do whatever he wants to her. He’s the unprofessional one.
@ it’s a scene where they’re supposed to fall in love! However you call it
@@annainkala6219 How does that in any way excuse his behavior? Especially when NEITHER of them are in character while they are talking?
@@manderly33 They were in character, despite talking! That was the whole point of filming that scene!!!
Read the Hollywood reporter interview of the intimacy coordinator.
While I understand that the video doesn't exonerate Baldoni, I don't understand why someone like Lively couldn't have spoken up immediately and stopped production. She is, after all, married to 1 of the most powerful men in Hollywood. She isn't also someone relying on acting gigs to make money. I can understand a newcomer to put up with his behavior but why did she? Not that she should not raise it now. Still, why not do it immediately?
This is just victim blaming, and also she did speak up and stopped production!! Like sorry she didn’t do it immediately. A lot of times you just brush things off to keep it pushing. It takes a minute before you realize you’ve been brushing off a lot of stuff and need to act.
Considering how dismissive folks are to Blake’s feelings towards this moment, you think she made a big deal about this at the time, folks would take it seriously? No. Unfortunately you need multiple instances before people even begin to care or take it seriously.
What you said would have been used against her even harder, because how heavy handed your dumb suggestion is.
@@Lifeinterrupted.1 You may be victim blaming. "Why didn't you scream for help?". "Did you ever say 'no' or 'stop'?". "You're smiling and laughing in this video/picture with your abuser. Admit it, you were enjoying what he was doing.".
I'm not trying to jump on you, but women are socialized from birth to be accommodating, to not make a scene. Speaking up, forcefully, in a professional setting, you can be labeled as "difficult", or being a diva. Believe me, I know. There were dozens of people there, all trying to do their job, and even if she had stopped filming to call him out, he isn't just another actor on set/her peer, he was the director. There is a power imbalance. If he fired her, for not putting up with his behavior, that damages her professional reputation.
There is also the mental gymnastics one goes through. Where is the line? "He nuzzled and sniffed my neck, it wasn't scripted, but it's not like he groped me." What often happens is the line is constantly being pushed a little further, by an abuser. Mildly inappropriate comments, then more direct comments. Uncomfortable looks become more direct intimate staring/ogling. Touches that seem innocuous at first, become more brazen and intentional.
Now imagine all these calculations going on in her head, while trying to do her job, while her boss is taking advantage, in a room full of people (who are all relying on filming to continue, so they keep getting paid).
Calling it out in real time is not as easy as you think.
She did. She had a meeting with him and his reps and JB agreed in writing to stop his behaviour. He then proceeded not to stick with the agreement.
"doesn't exonerate Baldoni" why would anything past that matter?
Recollections may vary
I just find both of them so hard to believe if neither of them are going to be honest about how they were obviously having an affair on set and cheating on their respective partners.
LMAO LOL ok sure hun. That’s why they’re suing each other and she had to hold a meeting mid production to get Baldoni and Heath to act like professionals. That’s why she’s pulling away from here. Because she luuurves him.
Cope.
@@manderly33there's no need to act like a churl. Blake probably just lost interest in Ryan Reynolds because he's an old, washed-up actor. I don't blame her for cheating.
@@364Leinad LMAO you’re just writing creepy fanfic about two strangers with zero evidence. All to try to distract from the fact that two men sexually harassed multiple people on that set. You weirdo.
You’re the churl, kiddo.
Wonen like her certainly make it difficult for others not as powerful as her to raise objections to unsafe workplaces. Coz she seems willing to put up with it and not complain immediately. So, others have to luve through it instead of objecting immediately.
Another insensitive and dense victim blamer, did you watch this commentary without volume?? First of all she was caught off guard by Baldoni during this filming session by Baldoni doing Unscripted things to her.............. and secondly why do think she's in trouble and is caught in a smear campaign? Its because she raised all those objections and went against Baldoni and the other producers
She complained many times,even Justin’s PR knew her complaints from Jan 2024,and they think Justin’s a shit person! And felt sorry for Blake!
No. No. No.
To OP: We don’t know how where this scene is in the time line of complaints in the SH. It may have been at the beginning of production, and his other alleged behaviours piled on top, prompting her to take action - as a professional - by calling a meeting and attempting conflict resolution.
Most of us have second guessed things that have made us uncomfortable and tried to rationalise what happened. SH suits are one of the hardest things to go through for the plaintiffs because society wants a perfect victim.
People saying she was trying to ruin his career are oblivious to the fact that if that were her intent, there would be a lot easier ways to go about it. She would have been warned that women are ruthlessly scrutinised for what they did or didn’t do at the time of alleged behaviours, after the behaviours and if they take action or don’t take action. It’s really sad to see comments that say “women like her…..(add criticism/shame/character flaws here)
How precisely did she “put up” with it? Was it the part where she tried gently to steer him away from kissing her and touching her inappropriately? Or maybe it was the part where she put together a list of demands for better treatment for her AND her employees AND the other actors, and got Baldoni and Heath to agree with him? The part where she filed a federal civil rights complaint against them?
Genuinely, you people. Cannot make up. Your minds. She’s a mean girl; no, there’s no case; no actually somehow it’s HER FAULT FOR GETTING HARASSED because she didn’t do exactly what YOU think she should do.
Amazing.
Thank you!