Baldoni's 2AM Voice Note
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Baldoni's team have released a 6 minute voice note to showcase his emotional intelligence. But rather than make him look good, this voice note appears to showcase how Baldoni struggles with boundaries and how to build genuine connection.
There's a lot of empty platitudes and therapy speak, but very little substance. More concerning is that no-one in his inner circle is preventing these releases and understanding how bad they make him look.
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I would be so humiliated if my boss sent me this voice note at 2 am talking about having a baby on my boob and then ranting about how they want “all of me “ on the movie/job/etc. This behavior would get someone fired if it were a regular 9-5 job.
Saying things like you are flawed and always mess up but you apologize is a form of gaslighting that abusers use to keep people confused into silence.
At this point I get the impression that JB would rather continue the legal battle because it smears them both, than step back and smear only himself and vindicate her. Like if he has to go down he's going to drag her as deep with him as possible. So that when this is looked back on it will always look murky in the public eye, regardless of the legal rulings made.
Exactly. He knows this looks bad for him but he'll drag her with him. Her destruction is the end goal here, not rehabilitating his image.
While I agree that's what he's likely doing, it's also likely to backfire as things like this have a tendency of forgetting the messy emotional parts and focussing on court rulings these days, thanks in large part to how information in social media is processed and retained with the emotional outrage stuff being fleeting but court cases, rulings, and evidence lasts far longer.
@@cozettemostert that is trump strategy!
George Simon, author of In Sheep's Clothing, said this about narcissistic abusers (paraphrasing):
Narcissists are game players. Ideally, they want to win and for you to lose. They will tolerate you winning if they are winning too. What they will not tolerate is you winning and them losing; they will attempt to drag you both down, sometimes violently, in order make it a lose-lose outcome. This is the psychology of abusers who k**l their significant other when that person attempts to leave.
The way I found out about this voicemail was creators thirsting over it. So many creators (women!) are saying that he should narrate smut novels. I can't believe that! Or maybe I can... Knowing the context of this message, HE IS CREEPY.
His voice sounds just like the ones you hear on voice acting (some erotic ones too). His words and the way he is talking makes me think that he is reading off a script or just being extra fake.
oh gosh i am so glad that i am away enough form sm to not see this directly….. i’ll add that this is what people said about johnny d*** during that absolute shit show of a trial. people were romanticizing his violent threats while at the same time delighting in the fact that the statements were hurtful to amber. it was… absolutely disgusting.
All of him is a performance. Just one big ego. Aka, a narcissist.
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Zero boundaries, this is so unsettling.
Why would they release this.
He sounds soooo phoney and pervy. He's an absolute creep.
Right? He sounds so fake and creepy. I can't believe some women heard this and thought "wow he has such a sexy voice". He's annoying at best. Insulting her and her intelligence at worst.
Exactly!
When abusers leran to use therapy speak... and never learn the lessons of therapy.
His apologies are vague and bland and lack any real accountability. I feel like every woman has run into plenty of these types of 'slimy nice guys', often they can be some of the most relentless. How dare you reject them, they're the nice guy! They're here for you, they care so much more than those other guys.....I think the only thing that really surprised me is how many women online are cosigning the 'nice guy's framing.
And they do what this guy is doing, drum up support.
oh no the elite celebrity is not a nice guy at all. how could this be? .
woman lack intelligence.
@@QWERTY-gp8fd Well, you're some nobody and you're not a nice guy either. So turns out you can be unsuccessful AND not nice, lol
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 i am successful in my own right. i am nicer than u and all the leftist people.
when was the last time u did something nice? . i doubt u even remember.
It almost seems that she bought his nice guy act at first and opened up to him in certain ways but then realized later that she made a huge mistake in her judgment of his character!
yeah this was very early on. you can see how this might have made her start paying more attention to just how weird these interactions are and start taking notes and talking to others about it.
Suggested phrasing to place the onus on the abuser instead of victim-blaming:
--> "... realized later that he was pretending to be a man of good character, which he was not."
Which makes it even more painful. She trusted him and he abused that trust on every level.
Yes it does seem like that. I'd say he does that with everyone, and maybe it works usually but didn't here. He probably does it to gain their trust, then he abuses that trust by thinking he can act like he did with her and decides to start pushing their boundaries and see what he can get away with. And maybe usually he can get away with more but she wasn't having it. He's just fake. Does it i think to hit on women. His wife will I think find out soon he's probably had quite a few affairs.
I don't think it's a mistake to believe people are decent when they present themselves as decent, I think it's unethical to groom people into uncomfortable situations for your own power or pleasure
This recontexualizes Ryan's active participation in the movie behind the scenes
Yep. He was prepared to go full Deadpool after this man sends his wife a gross 2am voicenote
Right??? If your spouse's boss is leaving them flirty voice messages at 2 AM and saying 'I get to have all of you'........YEAH, I would be showing up the their workplace as much as possible too.
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 specially when she's talking to him about serious stuff and he comes with the bedroom voice nonsense talk message smh
And people still has an issue with him defending his wife.
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972yet people think it’s an ego contest between him and Baldoni or something 😂
imagine this in a workplace.
He is so swammy, pervy, and smug. He has done this before and got away with this BS nice guy routine🤢🤮
Yes. The "nice guy" energy is strong.
Exactly.
@@TimelessErsy When else did he do this. Genuine question
@iamspartar2934 I want to know the answer too. I'm curious as well.
The part about having “all of you” struck me as supremely weird.
just the call is bizarre to me. like OK her long email was cringe, but it was on topic about a work subject.
wth does "a kid hanging off your boob" have to do with a scene or TS or dragons or writing or the movie or anything they were even talking about?
and seriously, I don't think ANYONE, has EVER left me a 6 minute message. And he's done it multiple times, the message to his editor played on Megyn kelly was equally as bizzare.
@@TheJunkFarm I just think he mentioned her boob because that’s where his mind went…
@@TheJunkFarm I’d say he mentions boobs because that’s where his mind went…
@@TheJunkFarm I really don't like the way he's speaking, or just his dull tone of voice, but I would really like to hear his other voice notes.
It was definitely creepy. Also, mentioning her boobs and having kids all over her was so demeaning imo. The implied meaning was "you're just a breeding and breastfeeding machine". Also, giving comments on her private life? Wtf.
I completely understand why Ryan Reynolds hated Baldoni. Would any man be okay with their wife’s boss sending her a late night rambling growly voicemail?
Exactly
Fuckin hell naw
His timbre on this call strikes every alert in my body. Mrs. Lively must have cringed and flinched and shuddered in disgust. How she was able to go to work with this creep after such a call amazes me. I couldn't have. I'd called in sick. Sick to my stomach to be precise.
Her money was hard earned. And have this smear campaign in the heels of such a behaviour is insult to injuries.
Couldn't agree more with your comment, I shuddered just hearing him. Ugh, I definitely wouldnt have been able to face that workplace, she's a much stronger lady than me!!
His whole voice memo is giving Joe Goldberg (narration/voice over) from the show "You".
Listening to this recording...it's like I can smell and feel his breath on her ear...his drunk breath...even though its a phone call, it feels creepy. Maybe its because I'm a guy and guys dont talk to me in that tone. Still...creepy
It sounds like that, because it is like that, not the drunk part, it's creepy.
And they men they always know what they're doing.
@supermoon672 yah...my point was that even though it's a phone call, it feels more in-person, and therefore, even more vile and perverse...
@@gingerthomas5758 yes, I agree.
OMG yes, it's like he's whispering it directly into her ear.....if I got this from my boss I would throw the phone across the room trying to get that noise away from me.
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 haha yeah, would do the same!
He actually thinks this helps his case - and that's a big tell.
i.e. 'look what a nice guy I am'
YUP. He is so so self righteous. Which is the hallmark of a predator; someone who refuses to take feedback, put themselves in anyone else's shoes, and is convinced they are doing the right thing.
@themuse11 Exactly!!! Predator and Narc who has gotten away with is all his life!
It'd be poetic if he let his mask slip by himself because he got drunk in his own hype. For that reason alone I'm glad there are people simping for him. I hope he makes the slip up that reveals his true face and we can all collectively as a society accept these type of abusers exist.
Was he drunk when sending this??! Because Jesus Christ... That was a lot of waffle that could have been said in a few words during normal working hours. BOUNDARIES!!
Like I can understand addressing this at 2 am because the industry has insane hours. But this was completely unserious, and had no sense of professionalism whatsoever.
I worked with a man like this. This kind of abuser puts in a significant amount of time outside of work hours ( 7 minute- 2AM phone calls) to groom people or gaslight them. He is a Woody Allen type of abuser. A man who makes a crappy movie every year just to groom an entire industry.
His apology is a textbook 'I'm sorry you feel that way', which is VERY different than the real apology of 'I did something out of line'.
Exactly!!! She says “hey, I didn’t love your response to my pages. It reminds me of the past where I wasn’t taken seriously as a collaborator. It’s okay if you don’t like the pages, I just want us to actually collaborate and work together on this.”
The proper response was to be like “ I hear you, let’s meet up again and we can go over the pages again and I’ll express my opinion and my own comments. There were ideas I did like and there were some I didn’t. We can further get into that when we meet.”
Instead he does whatever that is and doesn’t actually address her concerns. It is clear he wants the aesthetic of looking like he wants to advocate and empower women, but isn’t truly interested and invested in that. And he can’t just outright say that he has his own vision and he’s not interested in hers. He’s more concerned about not looking bad, which ironically makes him look terrible. Because he truly doesn’t understand how to treat women like people.
As a black woman, I’ve been in this position. Where people in charge want to showcase how much they “get it” but they are generally uninterested in actually addressing your needs. It’s just for show, and if you actually try to talk to them, they will do bs like this.
@@birdiewolf3497 This is such a brilliant take, I wish I could give it a million likes! Thank you for getting into the differences between 'the aesthetics of empowerment/collaboration' and what it would actually look like.
As a personal aside, I am just sad that those in marginalized positions have to work so hard to explain the nuances and issues with oppression all the time, all while navigating all the other issues with just being a person at work, it really is an aspect of '"you have to be twice as good as them to get half of what they have"
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 Like just recently at my workplace after hearing these people go on and on about DEI and how much they care about us, when it came time to give out promotions and raises my coworker (the other black woman in the office) was treated like crap. Her promotion was delayed by several months for reasons that are still unclear to this day. And then when they finally gave her the promotion they tried to pay her less than her colleagues (fortunately we all have each other’s back which is why she knew her promotion was delayed and why she was getting paid less). And throughout this process, when she tried to advocate for herself they fully treated her like the ‘angry black woman.’ It was really sad to see her go through that. And thankfully we had each other to talk to because I was the one that encouraged her to keep pushing and keep fighting. She was so demoralized by the whole thing. It all ended up working out. But after all this bs they liked to talk about, this was the truth.
@@birdiewolf3497 omg thank you for this - you summed up how I've been feeling about this so eloquently. He's all about the aesthetics/performance of the good male feminist ally, but that is so patronizing/infantalizing to a woman who is stating outright she'd prefer honest and direct communication about her work.
agree, however, can you agree that maybe her pages were bad, because she is not a good writer, and the srennewriter went to college and graduate program in creative writing , and that it is not because you are a acxrtor/actresse because you look good (let´s be frank 90 % pf the actors are here because of their appliance I the first placed, Blake is a very beautiful woman ) . So maybe her writing is bad but he doesn´t want to tell frankly because she is the lead actress and she has a very strong entourage. Again I am not defending Justin, but the context is very complicated, and the fact that she is a bad writer ( never studied it college ) is not something that we should dismiss and it is difficult to say someone that they are mediocre , the fact that all the others before Justin Bladoni told her no is maybe just because her writing was bad. It is difficult to apoligize to some one who is offended that you tell them that their work is mediocre when their work is indeed mediocre , specially when this someone has the same level of power or even more than yours. There are many factors to consider
There has never been a 2am voice note where good things are happening.
So grateful you're here to talk about how clearly gross this guy is. I could barely stand listening to the bit you played. Poor Blake.
Yess thank you, he gave her 10000 percent support and reason to think she could go a head with having more say and then talks crap about it behind her back
His voice sounds utterly creepy.
I know this is not the point, but that whole voicemail is full of nothing. That man is a professional bullshitter, he's literally saying nothing in so many words. It was hard to go through.
If people put as much effort into actually looking at and changing their behavior as they do learning how to put on a performance of being a "nice" person, this world would be a much better place.
The last thing anyone wants is a 6-minute word salad. Especially at 2AM! 🤮
What that voicemail shows is his profound unprofessionalism.
I know some people are asking why scrutinize his voice message if we are also complaining about how Blake gets over-scrutinized for her every word, every move? And I understand how that seems contradictory. But I think it's because silence would be a compliant acceptance of the situation as it is - a situation in which Blake is being heavily scrutinized by more of the public than Baldoni, and that allows what he's trying to do to work. So I do think it's important to continue to ask people to be just as critical of him as they are being with her.
Exactly
No matter how people may feel about Blake Lively. Justin is still a creep.
The messages make me feel acting. Is he doing voice acting or something on it?
These audio recordings provide perfect examples for spotting a narcissist
That's what I thought. It reminds me of my ex.
His voice is making my skin crawl. Dear God.
Man sounds like a creaking door with sand in the hinges 😂
And trying to put on a sexy voice... 😂
I cringe to death. UGH 🤮
It's literally embarrassing
Here's a man that clearly loves to hear his own voice, LOL
Thank you for your perspective on these issues. I'm not a big celebrity watcher, but seeing this play out has so many lessons for all of us.
OMG - HOW INVASIVE - this completely shows who he is (covert narcissist)- the sense of entitlement and I bet his wife will attest to just how difficult and manipulative he is. And thank you for such an excellent and grounded perspective.
Unless I’m wrong isn’t she behind him? In support of him?
It baffles me that people are taking his side even after listening to this and believing how he is the victim even after this.
There are different voices we all use, and I know I have a more 'flirty whisper' voice and a 'assertive flat boss voice', along with many others. Justin is NOT using the 'boss' voice here, he's using a flirty whisper voice, hence lots of creators thirsting over it. Your boss using such a voice to call you at 2 AM is your boss making the moves on you. So the whole message bolsters Blake's claims SO much.
literally. I was thinking about my latest vm to my GIRLFRIEND and I'm just blabbing with my regular voice, not a hint of groggy, whispery, deep voice and she's my lover! I use my normal voice for a normal message about a normal topic. It's like this man has absolutely no self-awareness or too much of a grandiose personality to understand how he comes across :/
The way he speaks give me visceral nausea... this doesn't sound like a real voice msg AT ALL!!! Sounds like acting!!! The fluctuations' are ALL disconnected, synthetic.... soooooo weird.
The way he's talking and what he's saying simply don't click. It actually gets me annoyed...
"I'm gonna fuck up"???? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 No one that's not gonna f up admits to it... a normal person won't even try... if you're trying to believe you WON'T f up and you WOULD NEVER say you will...
This is a set up, a threat! When you want the best you NEVER say that! You promise and compromise you won't, you sacrifice not to and you simply DON'T!
Very con artistry move... so when he DOES f up, no one says nothing and if they do he replies "but I told you it was gonna happen, you HAVE to forgive our else YOU are the bad person".... mdfkrs 🤦🏻♀️😔 taking ALL women AND MEN down with them.
Thanks @expatriarch!
it does feel like acting!! like... its a speech. its not rambling, its a speech. It's framed as a speech, it's tone is a speech... It's not empathetic; it's gloating.
Funny you mention con artists as I noticed on his IMDb a while ago he was in a movie called Con man in 2018 and as the main character con man. I think he took the role a little too literally as he has it seems been acting like a con artist in his life ever since 😂 the fake feminism, all 5 lawsuits against him. He thinks he untouchable.
@ OMG... are you serious? It's almost unbelievable... he too roles where he can actually be himself instead of acting...
Exactly - that admission and apologizing in advance is such a loser move. Always shows that they're fully aware but gonna do it anyway AND don't want to be held responsible for it then either cuz I SAID I wasn't "perfect"!!! As if anyone's expecting for perfect. -- Just expecting people to be. normal, mature, self responsible, grown *ss adults. But maybe that's impossible and "perfect" to him.
But yeah that apology in advance thing is an even worse form of fake apology. It shouldn't work on ANYONE it's so transparent. But those aholes keep using it because they always find SOME people who that still works on. Maybe people who aren't familiar with it enough to know better and or are bad judge of character. Dunno.
the stuff that baldoni's team is releasing is WILD, like if they're releasing this thinking it makes him look good wtf is the stuff they're not releasing like?!?!?
edit: How clsoe was his mouth to the phone? like this is such a weirdly breathy and intimate sounding voice note, like I get my colleagues sending stuff when it's convenient for them but I still expect it to be professional and not like someone's whispering in my ear (also they use email, I only check my email when I'm working so that's fine, if this was whatsapp then I would not be cool with them sending it whenever)
Another great analysis. His whole "apology" is so fake. And mentioning her boobs is so demeaning and objectifying. Not to mention, leaving her an overlong voice message at 2 am is just creepy and intrusive. He could've just written: "I hear you, I understand, we'll talk in the morning". But nooo. He had to word-vomit all over her, with no consideration for her rest or off work hours. I don't want to diagnose him, but he checks so many boxes for NPD. They're all boringly similar.
he was touching himself when he recorded this, wasn't he?
He made a serious lapse in his judgement.
Listening to this recording made my skin crawl- I can’t even explain - something even beyond the red flags of his words
Same with me. It's his quasi whisper I think, paired with a kind of gentle bedroom voice, it reads more as 'pillow talk baby talking' than 'memo from your boss'
@ yes!
The breathiness of it all 🤢
Same with the VM to the editor he played on megyn Kelly. I thought if I ever got that from a friend or coworker I’d be seeking a restraining order because it was creepy and stalker-y as hell. And that was without the sexual innuendo and boob talk.
I really get the creepers when he says "That's what I want..."... All these platitudes are so off-putting while she tries to sincerely share her struggles. Again I do not get how other people on this platform hear something else than a guy trying to talk up a woman (in the middle of the night) so she stops complaining. Of course I still do not know either of the persons involved but he ain't leaving a good impression with me with these creepy moves. I would not want to be on the other side hearing this voice note directed at me.
This is a awcward 10th class move when you lower your voice and try to sound cool.😎😳🤭
That voice note was super sketchy. It’s amazing anyone listened to that and thought it sounded so soothing and apologetic (as I’ve heard from other RUclipsrs)… I found it disconcerting, not soothing. And an apology isn’t a real apology if you’re saying you’re going to continue behaving in a problematic way that you’ll have to continue to ‘apologize’ for.
I know! The "and I'll probably STILL eff up - and APOLOGIZE then TOO cuz me ha ha" is so awful. Losers who pull that crap say that because iit sounds like adequate cover-my-butt: as if their acknowledging IN ADVANCE and apologizing in advance for the things they're going to do wrong makes those things okay! - cuz again, I'm not perfect, God knows THAT ha ha just ask my WIFE -- just wow -- NONE of that makes your behavior okay in any way.
The only apology is changed behavior no matter how many times you acknowledge it and or "apologize" for it. And in advance? You're just saying you know what's wrong but you're still planning to do it anyway. So gross and horrible. Blech.
I'm at a loss as to how female creators were thirsting after this. I can only think that they're terrible judges of character, don't yet know the difference between genuinely good and bad men, and or haven't had enough life and people experience - and apparently need that? - in order to see through this garbage a mile away. And or that their creep radar isn't very good or well developed. I dunno. Too weird.
I mean, the second that borderline unlistenable creepy voice note was released, by his own team!, I was feeling like John Oliver's recurring skit called "We Got Him"
And then watched the whole internet still excuse his behavior. What timeline is this that I'm stuck in???
@FishareFriendsNotFood972 the timeline of total human crap. 😫😫😫😭
I think there's weight and merit to the idea that Baldoni has spent the better part of a decade coasting on the vibe of deconstruction as opposed to putting in the genuine labor of being a safe space for women, and it absolutely tracks that he's never had a legitimate source of guidance or insight into being the type of ally he claimed to build himself into.
I do not think that the current situation was ever going to make him a better person, because there is no space for him to walk back his very clear overstepping. In the world where Baldoni was a bumbling idiot playing at empathy, this entire debacle offers him no space to recant, or do better, that doesn't seem to come with penalties far more significant than some social chagrin. There's no force encouraging him to be better if he perceives the threat to his position as a greater issue than the discomfort of his fellow actor.
Literally Fridays video I say he's spent the time he's supposedly been deconstructing coasting on vibes.
Either you're in my head or I'm in yours. 🤣
Nevermind it was this video. Look it's been a week ok 🤣🤣
Has anyone considered Justin's tone of voice there? Compare against his TED Talk: ruclips.net/video/Cetg4gu0oQQ/видео.html ... The content of his voice message was creepy. And then his tone of voice was even creepier, imho.
Jesus ffing Christ. That this was ever a she said he said question is unbelievable! It’s so creepy hearing him sexualise Lively AND HER FREAKING CHILD. And there will be a not insignificant amount of men who either never hear this. Because so many don’t do the kind of work needed to even get to places like this. And the apologists are smart enough not to show the evidence like this.
How does he sexualise BL and her child?
Because he says the word Boob?
Are boobs inherently sexual?
@@zacharybosley1935I wouldn't think so, but society has spent the last few thousand years treating them as such. Not really the answer you're looking for though. As with everything, context is key, and I'd be leaning more towards the "people say I have problems with boundaries, but I don't have boundaries, so how can there be problems?" take on JB's mental state
@@J-vi7pl that's the thing, though.
If boobs aren't inherently sexual, and babies aren't inherently sexual, then Baldoni's bumbling doesn't read to me as sexualizing a mother so much as he's just inserting himself waaaaay too deeply into a situation that he should've known better than to engage in. Should've known better, but I'm not entirely certain he did. The longer this story stretches out, the more I'm convinced the dude was an idiot carried by his reputation past any possible consequences for obvious social bumbling.
@@Chan-zn7wb ostensibly. What did you hear?
Baldoni's voice sounds predatory. It's making me feel gross. And then you talk, Expatriarch, with your apparently transatlantic accent and I feel better 😅🥰
I agree that it sounds manufactured, to be sure, like he's being deliberate with his words and tone, but I'm curious what makes his presentation sound predatory?
Is it the low tone, the string of words piled on top of each other, the strange half-second pauses between one second and the next?
@zacharybosley1935 it's definitely the low tone. Which is crazy to me because I usually love a deep, gravely voice. (Skulduggery Pleasant) I also think it's because he sent it at 2am so was likely tired and speaking slower than usual which kind of adds a layer of creepiness.
BUT I also do think it's a fascinating example of my own bias because I may be looking at him a certain way due to all this (never knew him before) and also being a woman who has had many of these late night voice notes and voicemails from less than savoury men - it's definitely adding to the uncomfortable feeling I have. I love how much this channel makes me analyse everything, including myself.
@@TheWorldofFilara skulduggery pleasant mention!
But yeah, i think I wouldn't have thought too deeply about his tone or inflection if we didn't have so much prior evidence about his conduct poisoning the well on how he presents in these voice messages.
@zacharybosley1935 We are officially friends. Nobody ever knows who he is 😭
I'm glad you brought up the question. There is SO much going on in the world right now, I'm trying to critically think as much as possible without driving myself insane. Conversations like these are so important, I think more so than ever ❤️
@@zacharybosley1935 Hey Zachary, I would tell you to research 'boyfriend ASMR' and also then Baldoni's TED talk.
The voice note sounds like 'boyfriend asmr', which is meant to sound intimate and like pillow talk. Not appropriate for the workplace.
And then his TED talk is an example of how Baldoni actually is well aware of the right tone of voice to use to sound professional. So his more 'boyfriend ASMR' tone in the voice note is definitely intentional, he's trying to put the moves on her, not 'being awkward'.
Wow this was exactly my reaction and thought! Great video!
You are spot on. I’m so sad to see all the people defending him
This. But it's not about defending him. It's about hating a (beautiful, successful) woman. Most of his defenders didn't even know he existed until he started his smear campaign against her.
@@olgaradulovic7684yes exactly! I have pointed this out many times that no one know him and they just hate her because she's beautiful and they're often jealous and insecure. You see it in their comments often calling her plain or ugly. One said she looked like she weighed 200lbs and I said do none of you people know how big that would be? She carried on well she gets Photoshopped in images and I said but not in movies. She is definitely nowhere near that. She's slim and always has been. Even when he wanted to know her weight, she'd put on weight from being pregnant but still looked quite slim. Nowhere near 200lbs. But one of them also claimed Ryan was 300lbs and I said same to them. I looked it up. He and Justin were close to 200lbs not quite.
He's so gross, that voice note creeps me out!
Eeeewwww!!!!! This is cringe to another level! And when you’re collaborating on something like a film it’s so hard to have distance from creeps. 😢
I’ve been dying to hear your take on this crap!!!
I am grateful honestly to Ryan Reynolds. He is a REAL example of being a feminism advocate, which is ironic considering his role as Dead Pool as a “naughty guy”. It really shows how the “nice guy” shtick that Baldoni plays is so creepy, while, when you really look at Deadpool even his character is ultimately a real advocate, not at all a nice guy- the polar opposite really.
I wouldn't cover my drink around Deadpool lol
Uhhhh.......I think you're falling into the trap of thinking 'if one guy is not as bad as another guy, the 'less bad' guy is a good guy'.
I honestly have no idea which of these men is 'less bad'. Ryan always seems to be brimming with anger all the time, making very hostile jokes towards everyone.....I don't want to label him the 'good guy', that kind of thinking really sets women up to jump from being victimized in one place to them being victimized in another.
Each time he releases more it gets more disturbing. 'all of you'. And mentioning her body. Completely inappropriate. It sounds as though he's trying to speak in a seductive manner. It's creepy the way he sounds. I think it's clear that he is attracted to her physically.
What a horrible experience for her. I have unsubscribed to numerous channels over this. The pile on against her is disgusting. Why can't people see and hear the evidence right in front of them. I don't understand 😢
Thankyou for going through these media releases point by point. People need to learn.
What's even sicker is that it sounds like both he and that other guy involved (the one who showed her pictures of a woman giving birth) are very turned on by the fact that Blake is still nursing. So gross to be objectified ever, but extra gross with maternity stuff. 😫
The voicemail sounds scripted. What a weirdo. 😳😒
Well done…thank you!!!
This dude is a 🤡🤡🤡
it's shocking how many people are even defending this though. She said Boobs, so it's fine. like Wha???
Dear goodness this will never end 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
I just got here and if people think this makes him look good, then they're not paying attention to facts and are incapable of basic analysis.
They're focusing on how he sounds. He sounds like the nice guy. If they've already cast her in the role of dragon, then he's the dragonslayer.
He's acting on that voice note. Weird ish....
This is just ….what is it that he is doing that’s in the beginning he general strokes omg word salad it’s manipulation tactic, JB says he is awful I’ll say it, so I’m admitting I’m an self
aware Bad guy he removes you from holding him to account.
Oh I think ChatGPT needs analysis
I’ll bet Emily Baldoni loves hearing this one over and over…she’s been gaslit since his 27 minute proposal video! 😂
@@JustLikeJulia9 Exactly, but birds of the same feather...etc! She knows who she married and is okay or atheist is willing to overlook it for the benefits😏🙄
@@catxtrallways and I don’t understand how his wife changed her family name if he’s such a feminist?
I'm confused. Blake's texts made it seem like she wrote/made edits to the rooftop scene. But in one of the press interviews for the movie, Blake said her husband Ryan wrote the entire rooftop scene. Who wrote that scene then??!?!!
Doesn't really matter to these conversations does it?Celebrities are
always curating their media appearances, you shouldn't take much of it at face value, the answer is probably somewhere between them.
What does it matter if she's ultimately their point of contact? Her husband isn't there. She is. So she's having these conversations.
Exactly!
She told the world her husband wrote it.
But here she says something different.
Why?!
@@evatrost1750 I don’t care who wrote this scene! it’s nothing compared to Justin’s creepy behavior!
@@CuiyanCaishe’s creep and a liar….. woman shouldn’t get away with lying and manipulating others….he’s trying to appease her and you freaks are here saying he’s weird…. Really more like she’s a creeper
@expatriarch Thank you for another truly excellent direct and on point video. I'd like to suggest you, and other's look at the 'reaction' vid coco Mocoe put up about this. Specifically her comment thread and how that vid has been ratio'd by absolutely unhinged bot attacks.
it's so frustrating to see nothing but effusive comments praising baldoni's perfectly acceptable nothing wrong with it "boob" comments.
but you know when I tried to ask them to actually say how the time of day added the 'context' well I haven't really been able to post because I keep getting shadowbanned .
so I hope you and maybe others can put some attention on that because it really seems pervasive on RUclips. but that comment thread is particularly unhinged and insane.
Haha I'm gonna look at that too.. You know the funny thing is some bot said ratioed to me on a comment section and I said I learned something new a I googled and your right then she said no was making fun of you, you got ratioed and I copied the definition off googled and said how can I get ratioed?? 😂 they didn't reply again. And a bit called me unhinged on Facebook the other day for looking at her public profile and saying how's a 50 year old woman never been through this? They just accuse everyone else of doing and behaving like them now and calling others blake bots now and all parrot the same nonsense. When you say that to them they soon stop replying.
I said it disturbing you'd bring up your employees boob too.
Yeah doesn't surprise me. I've noticed a lot of my comments disappear too on here.
I think all the comments supporting him are so wild!
The guy even knows "boob" is female's neutral language for that body part. He WANTS to say b*east cuz that's where his mind's at - he's absolutely seggsualizing a new mother who's still b*east feeding and that obviously turns him on - I mean he insisted on RUNNING LINES WITH HER IN HER TRAILER while she was nursing her baby. So sick.
So his use of "boob" here, instead of b*east is such a transparent attempt to say what he wants to say - something seggsual - but totally deny he was being seggsual about it.
What a sick disgusting immature child this idiot is. Women are clearly just an object of his seggsualizing, using, but being jealous of too, so gotta try to control and demean them too.
@@stephtastropheI got into it with one on Facebook the other day, and five messages in they accidentally replied to me in Vietnamese.
On RUclips I can usually make like 3 comments, and then I get totally banned off RUclips. I legit think they are targeting individual users saying things they don’t like and then spamming RUclips with comments somewhere else as that user so that RUclips starts blocking the user’s ability to post.
There’s a thread on Emily d baker’s vid about it where a 3 week old account accused me of Sh and being a liar and working for Ryan ten times in a row. Like that makes sense I’m a harasser so that’s why I’m saying lively is telling the truth about harassment? Like what?
Lol my crappy vid shows pretty clearly I’m not a bot. And it’s true I’m all over the net on this case because I just want SOMEBODY to explain his magic emoji theory…
Another vid y’all might like is from yv_edit
creep
That message was so cringe to listen to! 😳
And this is where the other side convenes
Blake's message is bizzare and she sounds like a kid talking about her older siblings who are looking out for her. But mostly i sense her vulnerability and naivete. I can see that its unprofessional to include outside people into this.
But baldoni is a bonafide narc creep...
Idk part of him sounded gleeful that she was vulnerable and shared this woth him.
Blake probably bought his persona and thought he was someone she could be really open and herself with .
But his weird grovelling 'apology' phrases?? So freakin bizzaree. This isnt about some grave offense.
Also 'im gonna fail!'
He just had to acknowledge that what he did was disrespectful and condescending and he definitely will do better next time.
Instead we get whatever this is...
That part about who she is and being so excited about getting "all of her"..🤢🧼🚿
So much ick just listening to a tiny part of that voice mail-ewwwww
So few men have vocal fry, congrats Baldoni, you’re one of the few cringiest men alive.
He sounds scared of her dragons.
WOW, he sounds "totally" coerced in this voice message lol like bruh, stop sinking yourself deeper and deeper haha
Maybe insanity defense it’s sexual and intimate and his voice vocal fry and
What you also forgot to note is that Baldoni was apologizing for not listening to her. She had mentioned in the previous text that she felt unappreciated by directors of her previous movies. He was actually validating her feelings and listening to her and then apologized for not being attentive enough.
Exactly all these people here are making it seem like he sent her this voice note out of the blue….. she text him a huge message at 1:50am stating that she felt unheard….. so sad that he felt like he had to apologize to a woman trying to steal his work
@@catxtrallways Oh, know, right?? It's really quite dark....
Asmr boyfriend 😂😂
🤭😳😳🤢🤢
Just few things:
1. Lively sent a message at 1:50am
2. The dragons are wealthy and strong. There was no requirement of either of those two to be present in the meeting. His repetion of "Energy", "force", those words were used by them. Quite srrong.
3. At the end it wasnt even her who had written that rooftop scene, so it was a fraud on her part.
4. TS had a hand in chosing young Lily.
5. If she was actually SH, why would she have her own children with him and photographed that after the incident as well. ( Since you are following her complaint, im following his)
6. And regarding tge lawyer publishing it in tmz, the law isnt about who publishes first, but rather who "initiates", so whatever timelines you can get, the initiation already happened at least by 31 october, 2024 (metadata)
7. She alleges that the promotional plan belonged to the studios. But people got really passed off after she launched and marketed her alcohol and haircare brand at the same time and on the same stage, not even a different stage. The backlash she got was because of this. No other cast were promoting their brand on the carpet.
8. Also if the voicenote was a damning evidence against JB, then wouldn't it have been better if she had complained about that specifically on her CRD. But she did not, no mention. It clearly doesn't align with her allegation that's why it's not there in her complaint.
But what do I know at the end? Im not saying SH couldn't have happened but such instances raises questions, and regarding your timeline please refer to point6
LOL , pretending to 'raise questions' while you just d ride for Baldoni. Cute.
@FishareFriendsNotFood972 have changed my opinion. I'm #teambaldoni now after the website launch. Come back after blake launches her own website apart from the hair and booze brand.
Creepy weird. Male's, you've just got to be better, in every way.
He was responding to a text that she had sent 10 minutes earlier. Both Lively and Baldoni sent inappropriate quips between them(as do a lot of people). When she told that he should get a nose job, should we interpret that to mean that she is antisemitic (Baldoni is half Jewish). I don't think so, it was an inappropriate comment, forget about it and move on. No matter what the evidence that is presented you will always find him guilty. I believe in the equality of men and women are like the wings of a bird, both left and right wing have to be equally develop otherwise the bird can't fly. Up to now mankind has mostly developed the right wing, but movements like yours are going to the other extreme. In neither case will mankind's potential be full realized.
Aaaand how much is Baldoni paying you?
a text, not a bedroom talk message where he mentions he "wants all of her" and her "boob". I bet you're also a creep :/
Gpsh what nonsense. You don't get equity and out of this swamp by telling people they can't talk about problems. Toxic positivity at it's finest.
What exactly are you suggesting, silly? That we continue like we did in all the past decades of people being told they can't speak up about how abusive behaviour affects them? Is that your suggestion?
How about people who kess up stop being such frail flowers and own up to the mess they are causing instead. How about people who mess up actually know how to be accountable and serious and professional about problems?
How about you stop telling advocates who speak up for women's issues in a still very sexistic world to tune it down and INSTEAD go and be all over the comment sections of manly men and tell them to sort out their emotions and behaviours. Once you've sorted that out you can come and make your suggestion again. When women are actually safe to work with men and not when women AND men AND non-binary people choose bears over men.
You don't get balance by nagging away on survivors of abuse, got it? You're part of the problem! Your whole damn job is to sort out actual abusers first.
So we just don’t talk about her Dragon - Massage and that she clearly threatened him mafia style like?
That was not a threat - she was just explaining that Ryan and Taylor support her in all things -- that she's who she is because of her dragons (like Khalessi)
This channel and people in the comments are completely delusional.
It's clear from all the evidence that Blake was a bully in this project.
JB is a sweet nice guy, I'm a feminist and against a lot of men, but it doesn't mean a man can't be a victim of a b**** woman, it's clear that it's the case here.
I liked this channel before, but believing BL just because she's a woman and not seeing the whole picture is delusional.
@@shoszannahIs there a specific argument or context you feel is weak, unjustified, or lacking context?
Expatriarch's arguments for the past few vids have been pretty well researched and put together well (at least in my opinion), so I'm curious to see what he's hiding/missing/lying about
@@shoszannah You are so not a feminist.
He's such a wuss.
As much as I agree this is a creepy 2AM message, let's not make like dragon message was just an explanation not a warning. This is not the typical people, those are Hollywood actors
Dude. We see how he breaks boundaries here, this is likely not the first time he had overstepped to an uncomfortable degree.
I would be trying to warn him off too.
Look, if she wanted to aggressively overtake this production, she would've done so. She wouldn't ask for his opinion or try to include him in her writing process.
@@olgaradulovic7684 true. And based on the videos of that scene, he was pretty incompetent at directing imo.
Ignoring everything else, people keep saying, and he has said, that the part where he starts bringing up personal things about their relationships was him trying to direct her as to how he wanted the scene to be.
And if my manager was giving me directions in the form of riddles and personal anecdotes - I would take over too so we could actually get things done.
None of it shows her apparently strong arming him out of the role, all it shows is that he was breaching boundaries so she had to put her foot down about what is acceptable on set, which was those aggreements she had them sign and stick to - and it also shows that he is incompetent (and inappropriate) in a role of leadership.
None of it really points to her malciously taking over. If she wanted to direct a movie, she literally has all the power and connections she would need to make that happen.
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004totally agree. He didn't seem like he knew what he was doing as a director. And in a rolling stone article from August with three crew members, they also agreed he was in over his head and didn't know what he was doing as this was a much bigger project than he was used to.
Ok but if a coworker ran our work by their spouse and friend and came back at me with the feedback I would be pretty annoyed. Too many cooks.
But would you call at 2 am and start off by mentioning that their boob's are probably exposed?
Especially if this person had complained to you about previous directors (your role) sexually harassing them?
This isn't a debate over how likable, attractive, or annoying Lively is or isn't.
This is a conversation about boundary violations, consent, and abuse of power.
If calling someone at 2 am and talking about their exposed body parts isn't a boundary violation and abuse of your position, I don't know what is.
Imagine your boss calling you at 2am and saying, "Sorry, I know you're probably in nothing but your boxers right now..."
Then talk to them about it like an adult? It sounds like it's on him for not being clear about this not being okay with him. He offers compliments, platitudes, acknowledgement. Which is great if you mean it. And will only backfire on you if you don't.
I appreciate you breaking down the message- but as someone who hasn't chosen to follow this for about 3+ months of the 'he said, she said' controversy- at this point EVERYTHING looks bad.
Who in their right mind, will seem honorable when you put their entire life under a microscope? Please give me ONE example, I'll wait.
But, a 2AM message on its own, isn't controversial people. Especially, if you work long hours, and get to the backburner stuff in the end.
I'll agree this doesn't look good for Baldoni. Yes, he seems to lack boundaries. But, i've seen enough diss on Lively, when done out of context. It was precisely the reason i didn't want to wathc any further analysis.
I see people here pick apart every intonation in his voice, and each phrase. I mean, 'all of you' HAS to be sexual now? Instead of, perhaps bringing one's emotional, physical and creative presence?
LMAO what precisely is anything about what Lively has done equivalent to workplace harassment, *which is illegal*?
@@manderly33What made you think I was dissing on Lively? My opinion is purely from this video, picking apart intonations and the time a voice text was sent. In the larger context, as i've come to know in the last 3 hours- it looks bad for Baldoni.
No shit you haven't been paying attention. Too busy being a pickmeisha.
I just like that not once does Blake Lively mention anything about sexual harassment until the lawsuit months after the fact. She's literally only complaining during production about not being a writer, even though she wasn't hired as a writer. Nor were the people funding the movie expecting her to be one. Oh yeah, and it was her husband who wrote the scene anyway.
@@Kertgaferg 🎯🎯🎯
She literally mentioned it during filming MANY times, which you would know if you read just the first page of her complaint. Which lets me know you did literally no research and just are a parrot for women h8ing talking points.
😬
...it feels like the people who are so behind either party are not listening or taking in the assessments that support either side.
It's wild. It's a circus, and no matter the outcome, women lose this battle.
Could it be that they both aren't fully free from regrettable behavior? I'm not saying both sides should equally take the blame, but there seems to be a lot of blaming the victim, regardless of who the victim actually is. Maybe that's because you can have a victim who isn't blameless... Doesn't make them not a victim. Just means they weren't perfect.
Saying 'it's too messy to take sides' is siding with the abuser.
Such a biased channel.... Twisting the truth blatantly
@@tuburibhu could you be more specific?
@te-ter imagine a man being intimidated by 2 big stars( ty & ry), wants to be persuasive and placating this big A lister to save his money and work. It's a little cringey but shows no malice... His only fault was ' he was too nice'.....
@@tuburibhu I don't think you're very unbiased either…
@@te-ter fact speaks.... Not just this msg... But the whole lawsuit.....
@@tuburibhu LOL it's always the ones who wildly h8 women who talk about how they care about 'facts'. No, honey, trying to get you to see the facts for what they are would be like trying to explain gravity to a chicken.
All their texting and e-mails were creepy.
Both parts were manovring their agendas, BL writing 100 of pages is "I'm a victim" and JB "answering" all her crazy needs that don't match with her sense of humor shows he's an idiot!
You missinterpret her receipts because you cast her as a disadvantaged individual, which isn't true because she's always portrayed herself as a outspoken person. Which doesn't match with the discourse you're using to disarm JB.
Therefore, with your logic we're facing two hypocritical individuals with fake personas.
That's the problem with these cases, they're polluted with scenarios and drama (motion dismissed).
Dear, if you are unwilling to accept that women in the workplace are indeed disadvantaged compared to men, you don't pass go and everything else you say should not be listened to.
@@creadorcontenido6970 I don’t think it’s so much that BL is saying she’s not outspoken, she said she has trouble sticking up for herself. Sometimes it’s easier to stick up for other people than it is for yourself. So I don’t think she’s misrepresenting herself. She’s still human.
I don’t see any dissonance between Blake being *at* a disadvantage while also being an outspoken person. The way she’s put it in her complaint, inappropriate things were happening and she raised her concerns. After going through the chain of command didn’t work, she drafted a Return to Production agreement (which Justin’s studio signed). The only reason there is a lawsuit is because the non retaliatory clause was violated.
She was at a disadvantage then spoke out. I don’t see how that creates a contradictory image.
😅 I'm sorry but she was initially hired to be an actress and not a collaborator. Seems like during production.She wanted to be more of a collaborator. Seems like he went out of his way to try and accommodate her. Her past issues of not being taken serious in the industry are hers to deal with. What she should have done was get the rights to a specific Project and helm that on her own. But she didn't.. She and her husband tried to take over this one.
@@catxtrallways It cracks me up that this guy is wearing three hats and has the power but all they run with is that she stole his red ball! C’mon… he needs to grow a set then, right?! And then not be an unprofessional creep! Imo
…We’ve lost the plot
I think you're a bit off with nobody advising him, I think that's true for Blake, but interesting take.
He didn't say that nobody is advising him. He's saying noone seems to be effective in advising him well, which is very different. That American fellon of president currently "in charge" also gets advised a lot, but it's neither good for the country nor is any possibly smart advice given landing with him. That's the type of "no good advice" we're talking about. There might aswell be none at all, in such circumstances.
I just watched yv_edits video on this. The transcript was so gross. 😬🤢🤮
yeah the 'all of you' comment seemed very R*pey to me. and the way he talked about blake lively sounded like every stalker ever.
And this is why lying is always better then being sincerely awkward.
Y’all know he sent this to her after she texted a huge text at like 1:50am right….. also this is exactly how he sounded on his calls to other people…..
@ of course her Khaleesi message was unprovoked and unprofessional…. She wasn’t hired to rewrite scenes. She was hired as an actor to Act in a movie…honestly she wasn’t the right person for this role….
@@catxtrallways are you dumb??! I gave you the timeline fool…. Pay attention
Her messages were all about job! But his voice messages were so creepy!
@ what job??! She was hired to “act” as Lily Bloom not to write scenes lol so yeah not about her job but to extort and threaten him with her ‘dragons’ lol 😂
@@catxtrallways not my opinion it’s facts ….
I still think Blake Lively comes off as a person who causes ridiculous issues
She didn't 'cause' Baldoni to be a creep. The about people will turn themselves into pretzels to always hold a woman accountable for a man's choices is galling
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 she did chose to work with him so thats her fault.
baldoni is feminist narcissist, what could possibly go wrong?
@@QWERTY-gp8fd So the wiki page for victim blaming is just your pfp, lol
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 i have no empathy for the unwise. sorry if u are fooled by feminists.