i mean i kinda understand why theres no patience. you dont come into the leavue first overall and hyped to be generational and not have insane pressure to perform immediately tbh.
@@BedardTruther98 yeah ngl also with the amount of money he’s prob making and expectations and his junior career did showcase he should be a superstar rn
@@TheEpicEndermanTV bedsy’s a 19 year old kid who has the weight of an entire fanbase on his shoulders. we see slumps like this constantly. its part of the game. bedsy’s gonna be fine.
He also has the 3rd highest points per game among all players under 20 since the lockout. Kane was at 0.88 ppg, Stamkos was at 0.88 ppg and Bedard is at 0.87. He’s not doing as great as some were expecting but he’s not doing poorly either
That's because he gets some of the most ice time of any player in history. Anyone with that amount of ice time would have a good PPG. That said, his points-against per game is the worst in 30 years of rookies.
Biggest issue is linemates. How can anyone do much when their linemates have career years of 16 points and 25 points prior to playing in a team with Bedard. Talking about Reichel and Kurashev
Lemeaux had zero help in his first couple years and was breaking records. With exception of one or two players they don't put up tbe numbers till they are 21. So risking major injury these 18 year olds jeopardize their career.
@@DavidSmith-wd7wc Lemieux played in a very, very different era. And, with all respect to Bedard, Lemieux was the most skilled player in history. Bedard isn't to that level.
You are correct. There's a lot that could be analyzed and broken-down but in a nutshell, Bedard has a superstar future because he has the three qualities that the highest level players all have: talent, work ethic and hockey IQ. His handicap is his team. I suppose if the Blackhawks never improve, he might flounder but even in that scenario would probably get traded at some point and revitalize his career.
Also saw no one pointing out the World Championship where the coach stopped playing him at one point. I feel like this could have had an impact on his confidence. Fuck coaches like that, honestly.
@@esperago It's Chicago, they'd probably trade him for a couple fifth round picks and retain half his cap. They just fired their coach, but he didn't sign a bunch of third and fourth liners... Chicago said they were after young talent, so they traded away guys like Hagel. Chicago has brain damaged management.
Seriously this - just watch 2 years later we’re gonna have titles like Bedard is Torching the League and no one can’t stop him. Give the kid two good ljnemates a solid blue line and a goalie that can stop most pucks - he will give back to the organization tenfold. Perpetually pissed off Sharks fan here
The problem isn't Bedard or his teammates. The problem is the media and the hype. Eliminate most of the the media hype about being a "generational" player, and things are fine. Yes, Bedard needs consistent, quality linemates, but he didn't have great linemates last year, and he did great. Like a lot of others who have commented, I believe Bedard is going to be fine. Part of his problem is that he is just a really nice kid who feels responsible. He is probably frustrated, embarrassed and lacking in confidence right now. I would melt in his situation. LIke you said, be patient and all will be well.
I hate the Blackhawks, but he's young and most likely going through the sophomore slump. The kid will rebound and have a great career with Chicago or even with another team.
@@spc87forever massively agree. however we have talent developing in the farm system and are on pace for another high draft pick. i’m hopeful for the next few years. who knows? maybe soon we’ll be debating Bedard vs McDavid for best player of the 2020’s.
He's 19 and he's essentially playing shorthanded the entire game. If he gets to another team or the Blackhawks start building an actual NHL team he'll be fine.
I don’t think there’s a lot “wrong” with Bedard’s game. He’s 19. Nineteen. If he’s still struggling 3 or 4 years from now, then that’s disappointing. But now? Any whinging about Bedard is just from media hacks trying to generate clicks, or from impatient, myopic casual fans.
@@conners3323Crosby is built like a fire hydrant. Even as a rookie he had legs like tree trunks and couldn’t be knocked off the puck. Bedard is much weaker on his skates.
@@RockinBobXYZExactly! Plus Crosby could take a hit from literal head hunters and monsters from his era. Bédard hates getting checked, and his opponents know it.
This is huge and spot on. He had room to make magic in juniors (and on the PP). He's not strong on the puck and even as these videos show here, sometimes he's got this weird off-balance on his heels thing going on.
You can’t build a franchise around ONE single player. He needs a good team to support him. The reason Sid rose up the way he did is cuz the penguins don’t completely suck. They have some solid players. The hawks management will either realize this and build their roster or bedard will develop for a few years and then look to trade to a winning team.
Literally take any of the other super stars or generational players and #1 pause development through covid and #2 put them on the current Chicago team and they won’t have a great start. We live in a reactive society that likes telling other people they were wrong.
Help is coming with probably another 1-2 top 5 picks. Just like the Pens had hit on 5 straight 1st rounders who had l succesful careers before Sid was drafted.( Orpik, Colby Armstrong, Ryan Whitney, Malkin,Fleury... theres more than that who weren't 1st rounders. Malone, TKennedy etc...) all helped turn them into a solid team. Who was contending in 2 years after Sid. Chicago hasnt had the same draft succes prior to getting Connor.
Bedard is not expected to be like McDavid. Part of the issue is that everyone made him out to be way more than what he is. It's not really fair to him. He is going to be an insane player but on the level of McDavid or Sid? No way. Kane might genuinely be the best comparison as to what he could become.
@@brandona9326 not really, Conner is still and can be as good as McDavid. It’s just there is no goal support and the Hawks are still in the rebuild. The league did what exactly they did with Mcdavid. Give the kid a break. He’s in his second season and we’re thinking that he should be in his prime.
@@Stzu-s2bt55 I am giving him a break but no, he's nowhere near McDavid and never will be. It's this thought that puts him in such a spotlight and I have no idea why anyone thought this in the first place.
They don't even deserve Bedard. A smaller market team could finish dead last and not get a top pick. Which is exactly what happened. One of the reasons I never watch the draft is because it's 100 percent rigged.
Watching Bruins game and Hawks D is atrocious on breakouts. Hawks often enter O-Zone flat-footed. The talent he plays with is ECHL quality playmakers. He will excel I believe with a talented D core. Celebrini is a completely different type of talent. Both are elite.
The problem, and I think if you look at the games and teams they did beat and even dominated you’d agree, is with the system. The team has the talent to be at least top 20 but their coaching staff is atrocious. It’s still early under the new coach but they have looked far better.
Michkov is better than both. We'll look back and it'll be clear Matvei should and would have gone 1st had other teams known they wouldn't have had to wait for him.
@@SharksSJ408 Players only do that when they want to be brought into an already somewhat winning team. So he tanked his draft placement in order to get placed into a decent team. Bedard and Celebrini are arguably the two best players under 20 in the NHL, AND they did it on terrible teams, AND they're both Centers.
As a Wild fan I’ve had to listen to other Wild fans complain about “draft busts” Matt Boldy and Marco Rossi after they got off to slow starts in their careers. These KIDS need time to develop! If Conor Bedard doesn’t live up to expectations it’s because the organization failed him and not because he never had it in him to begin with
Sounds like a personal problem. Every so called generational talent, that actually turned into a generational talent dominated. Bedard is an average player. I'll be amazed if he ever breaks 100pts.
sure, it is, especially when you focus his goods, but not much on his bads, because even his bads gets an * - his bad faceoff stats is due to his lack of experience? yeah right.. he is 5 foot 9 and he sucks at faceoffs, thats's the reason. that said, i think he is a good young skilled forward, who'll score 70+ points regularly.
What bothers me is people are taking this all to make grand statements about Bedard as a player and the trajectory of his career. It’s literally a blip. The longest he’s gone without a point this year is only 3 games. He could score 10 goals in the next 10-12 games easily, and be right on track. If he was getting zero chances there’d be real concern, but it’s just puck luck and mind games. The coaching was awful too - the line switching, the dump and chase stuff. That issue is now hopefully solved with Richardson being fired. Oh, and he gets a ton of PPP, and Blackhawks have gone through a franchise record-setting low amount of PP opportunities.
@@Shurehlmit’s his second year in the league? your opinions in these comments seem more based off surface level observations than they do actual facts…
@@BedardTruther98 If he was really a "generational talent" then we wouldn't be having this convo. Check out Crosby and Ovi in their rookie years. Real generational talents make their teams better. Bedard does the opposite.
As a Blackhawks Fan. I see huge swing for him in the future. I see this as the hardest time he will have for his entire career. The bounce back potential for him and therefore the Blackhawks is huge. Be it next year or the year after the Blackhawks are going to come out this slump in a big way!
lol it took edmonton three first rounds picks and how many years with mcdavid and they play on-off hockey and were lucky to get as far as they did last year
@@conners3323 stand to be corrected: Kyle Beach. Anyways I pray the blackhawks suck for the next decade . Brad Aldrich can go burn in hell. I do feel bad for Conor Berdard for being on such a crappy team.
Worth noting how strong the Bedard has been with Teravainen/Bertuzzi vs when he's with Hall/Kurashev/Mikheyev. The Teravainen-Foligno-Bedard line had a 57.1 xGF% as a line and it's the most common line Bedard has been on (84 minutes together). Among lines with 80+ minutes together, that's the 28th best forward line out of 83 this season. The 2nd most common line is Kurashev-Bedard-Donato which has spent 43 minutes together and has a 46.3 xGF% - good for 167th out of 223 (min. 40 mins as a line). Bedard is actually playing quite well but he isn't at "carry a line" level yet. It's hard to do that in the NHL, especially when your traits are skill and not athleticism. It's harder for him to perform individual efforts the way that McDavid and Mackinnon did as rookies but he still might be more skilled as a player, especially considering he has the best shot from a rookie since Matthews.
@@BedardTruther98 Bedard will add some more size with age and may even still grow a little and his shot could get some more whip but even still, Matthews is working with a filled out 6'3 frame so its not a fair fight 😄
@SheffyLee yeah i agree with you there. i feel like if he fills out he’d be lethal, he’s already good and compensating for his size with his speed in my opinionZ
He’s not coming on as strong as Crosby, oveckkin or mcdavid who established them selves as top NHL talents within their first/second seasons. No need to worry, doesn’t always happen as fast but it will happen. He might have a good weekend/game and suddenly be over 1 point per game this year. He might go off the second half and challenge the league leaders, I wouldn’t be surprised. His start isn’t really that bad, everyone is overreacting. The supporting cast looks pretty decent on paper but hasn’t materialized. I stress patience, his future is bright in hockey
@@sethking4311 mcdavid is more than generational. i had people who never followed hockey before asking me about him. he’s a once in a millenium player.
@@dotursdottir ovechkin was 33 when he won his stanley cup and is about to surpass gretzky for the all time goal record. i assume you think he’s also not a generational talent because he was over 30 when he won his first cup? please conisder what youre saying before you say it.
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I will stay by my statement that Celebrini is doing well in part to his prowess of hockey but the fact that Grier has put competent linemates with him- as soon as Celebrini was put along side Eklund and Zetterlund his point streak started, Bedard must have support to be successful. Bedard himself is a bonafide super star his teammates however? Pylons 99 percent of them.
Hey man I'm a Sharks fan too, bet let's not act like Celebrini isn't a huge reason players around him are playing better. The team, baring a couple of players is the same from last year, the one that had the literal worst record in the history of the NHL, that, and the sharks went on a 8 game losing streak without him. Great players make the players around them better and themselves. Bedard still has decent pieces and veteran presence. Look at last year. Chicago was the same team and was also trash, and didn't have Bertuzzi and Hall in the line up and Bedard put up 61pts. I think it's more about protectable leadership or lack thereof.
@ oh definitely Celebrini is a huge factor but the fact he has similar age linemates with offensive upside is a massive boon to him, Eklund and Smith are just better with him and Granlunds resurgence is boost as well, Chicago doesn’t have that oomph in their line up
Mcdavid could do it. Doesnt matter who you put him with. Stop making excuses. Im with most people on this site. He might 100 points. Thats if he doesnt get injured
@ yeah for now but look at Mackinnkns number in his year one and two - look each player has their breakout, I think everyone wants a McDavid or Eichel level of improvement when really that’s just not tenable, each player grows at different levels
@@deanhil3978 Yeah but McDavid plays a 200 foot game. He back checks. He doesn't float. He doesn't leave the zone early. He doesn't leave his linemates playing short-handed all shift while he's looking to pad his stats.
I think Mitchkov is going to be better. For the record, I’m a Panthers fan I have no dog in this hunt. I watch a lot of hockey though, every game I can, and Mitchkov just looks scary good. I’m happy to admit I was wrong in a couple years tho, I hope they’re both beasts.
It's so easy to say that shit though when Philly has a semi competent NHL team. It's very easy to look good on mediocrity. It's very tough to when your team is that bad.
From Chicago, I think Bedard is going to be a good NHL player - TOP 6 for most of his career. But, i dont see him being a superstar like Kane was. Which, is okay. Give me a serviceable 15 year career with about a point a game and im happy.
I mean it's reasonable he wouldn't be, he's definitely going to be a superstar, but he won't ever hit Kane's level of stardom. He's known as the greatest American to ever touch the game for a reason.
@AdamOBrien-d1z dawg what? i literally own a bedard jersey and a commemorative puck from his debut. i love bedard but its important to be realistic with your expectations aswell. i think he’ll be a generational superstar, but patrick kane was something else. what he did for chicago hockey is almost indescribable, you just had to be there.
@@cockandballtortureconnoiss2643 Kane is one of the most special careers in NHL history. A list of his achievements would shock most of the people replying here.
Honestly, after watching Chicago in the Leafs game, I just felt bad for him. I can't pretend to know what needs to change, but the Leafs played pretty bad, Chicago tried really hard and often outplayed them, but they just kinda sucked. Can't complete passes can't win battles. And there seems to be very little chemistry between any players. Down the road, I'm sure this will be good for his character, but there's no way he's carrying that team.
I believe he will mature and take control of that franchise in due time. But if you look at the play at 3:19 is actually a poor defensive play on his part-- he gets rewarded with a goal, but he's flying the zone on the chance that TJ Brodie wins a battle on the wall. If that puck goes down low to McDavid. You can't have this. This isn't the dub anymore & that's not how the professional game is played. He's legit though, will figure it out and Chicago can build around him.
100% this. There’s never really been a true superstar in the NHL as small as Bedard. You could argue that Kane was similar in this regard, but I think even he was a little bigger and taller than Bedard.
@@SharksSJ408 Kane also played wing to which vastly helped him plus he had speed to his game. I see Bedard moving to wing once they get a true top center
@@SharksSJ408 Kane used his fast hands and quick lateral movement, bedard needs too doo the same thing, hes good on the puck just need to take his time and use his hands more
Give it a couple of years. Enough juice and iron will do the trick. Some players have done it too much though, which has made them slower, so it’s a very fine line.
@@terryburgess8344 Correct, his confidence finally came forward, the helmet story is over blown IMO. Point being, some patience is required. Lafleur dominated the scoring race from then on. He had some pretty good support as I recall :)
Bedard will be a stud. Celebrini will be a stud. I don't get the point of HAVING to make which player is "better", the Hawks were GARBAGE last year and the signings doesn't make them better. Overall he will be A-OKAY.
Exactly dude , I don’t like when people compare Bedsy vs Celebrini, they will both be superstars and they are entirely different and players the comparisons don’t help at all, I’m a Hawks fan and I know that Celebrini is a young superstar and so is Bedard
@@sethking4311 Celebrini and Bedard will go down as two of the best forwards of the 2020’s. I think that Bedard is going to be better over all once he fills out his frame a bit more and learns to be more of an explosive player.
I think it's funny that people say he's overhyped and basically say people overreacted to how good he was in the WHL then turn around and overreact to him having some growing pains being a young player on a bad team. People who say he won't at least be an elite player seem jealous their team didn't get him, so they just want him to fail. And I'm saying this as someone who HATES the Blackhawks.
They simply don’t have anyone with any skill for him to play with. They brought in Bertuzzi and Teravainan specifically to play with him and Bertuzzi has been awful. Teravainan has been ok but both those guys are middle six wingers that were better on other teams because they were loaded with offensive talent. Taylor Hall would be the obvious choice for a linemate but he’s coming off major knee surgery and is only now getting comfortable. Hawks have some good talent they’ve drafted but they probably need an elite offensive winger to seriously compete. If they stink it up for the rest of the year then they can probably draft that winger but Davidson has to bring in some elite offense to complement Bedard and help him develop. If I were the Hawks I would way overpay Marner in free agency. Marner might do it to play with Bedard, especially if the Leafs collapse again.
I feel bad for Bedard as a person, but Chicago gets what it deserves for tanking. They tanked so well that they can't figure out how to win anymore. Even their AHL affiliate isn't doing well, they don't have talent coming from the pipeline.
@@FlexibleToast brother what? the pipeline rankings is based off the caliber of the prospsects the team has overall. holy shit the lack of puck knowledge is absurd.
He’ needs a true goal scorer on his line and some big guy to lay the hits but still offensively minded tho. Kid has talent just need a break out year with a solid team
I doubt anyone expects more out of Bedard than Bedard does himself. I wouldn't want to deal with that shit. He's doing the best he can with what the hockey gods have given him. ✌🏻
As a Blackhawks fan, I entirely agree. I would love to see Bedard getting better and growing into the shoes that were placed before him, but the Blackhawks as a team aren’t really doing that. The Hawks need to stop the line juggling and focus on bettering all of our young talent and allowing them to grow instead of trying to jam pieces together to make offense. I look forward to the future of this team and I can’t wait for all our young talent to grow
So I'm a native Chicagoan and have been a Hawks fan all my life. I thoroughly believe that a lot of the media and fans are overreacting to his production. Connor does not have the talent surrounding him to produce at some insane level like Sid did in his second year or even Kane did. However, Connor has made insane strides defensively and has shown improvement in his game despite the goal drought he went through. The constant line-changes are something all of us can and are hoping to do without because you have to build chemistry. But if we are able to get that second piece like Kane and Toews, McDavid and Draisaitl, Ovechkin and Backstrom, etc. all of this "He's overrated" will go away. We are not built to win right now and tho are prospects are really good, I don't think there is one that we can slot in with Connor and have that crazy connection and chemistry. Will they be good, yes, but maybe not insane. In the end this season is just a stepping stone, we are getting another top 5 pick and we will either draft someone who can play with him like that or sign someone who can. But Connor will still be our points leader and still finish the season with 20 goals. Hell he's already improving, look at his playmaking. He's been insane with setting up the ever-changing rotation of line-mates and generating offense for other players. So to be honest let them call him crap and draw wild comparisons because in 2 or 3 years, hell it could even be next year or at the trade deadline. We are going to find that piece that clicks And with our prospects and keeping players like Tuevo/Bertuzzi and our young defensemen (Who are going to be crazy if they keep developing well like they have) our team is going to be a force for another 5-10 years. And all of those people who want to point at his stats and laugh are gonna hate how good the kid is. Connor may have not improved to his liking, but watch him closely on the ice and you'll see the difference he is making. Plus a lot of our losses have been extremely tight up until the 3rd period where they score an empty-netter because we can't score in the third as a team at all right now. But hey despite being last at the moment, we should theoretically be a hell of a lot worse point wise. No need to overreact, our time will come and a lot sooner than most expect it to
"or even Kane" Kane in his 2nd year had 9 goals in 16 playoff games including a hattie vs Luongo in a clinching win. His 3rd year was 1st team all NHL, had a huge playoffs, and won the Cup w an OT goal to become the youngest #1 pick to win the Cup. Kane and his legacy are far greater than most commenters seem to realize. He did things no one else has ever done.
@@paulwt9783 exactly. Kane is known as the greatest american hockey player for a reason. you couldnt go to chicago without hearing his name in the 2010’s. He’s easily what Jordan was to the Bulls for the Blackhawks.
Brother what? We went from everyone bitching about bedard glazing to everyone actually glazing celebrini. He's not even leading rookies in points. Yes he's been damn good, but go touch grass
@@odyssey9334he’s leading rookies in points per game. Go watch a SJ game and you’ll see the 200 ft difference. Celebrini wins pucks against the best in the league consistently so far in his career. It’s not just the points
@TylrVncnt No he isn't leading ppg, overtime goals, shots on net, like I said he's been damn good at winning things like puck battles but Michkov currently in the best rookie. Also answer honestly would you rather of Bedard or Celebrini
"bedard still leads the blackhawks in points." yeah, but once upon a time after he was the "biggest draft bust in history", out of the league for 2 years and came back on a penguins tryout, Alexander Daigle also led the Wild in points.
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Everyone called Jack a bust. Go to the Prudential Center now and it's a sea of Hughes jerseys. I counted 15 in a row the other night before I saw a different one. And I wasn't counting the one that I was wearing. My point is give him some time to develop. He's 19.
It turns out when play for a team that sucks you won't have consistent success. Shocker. Bedard will no doubt still rebound and hopefully the Blackhawks will too because we know for a fact he is GOOD.
Mcdavid had consistent success points wise, and the oilers were absolutely horrible when he joined the NHL, but I can just already tell Bedard will never be on mcdavids level. Bedard just needs more time and experience and I'm sure he'll light up the goal lamp alot.
He was cut some slack for being the 'new venom', but other players aren't laying off and giving him a pass like this year. I'm sure he's a good kid, and extremely talented, but he's small and playing with a lot of experienced adults. And Brock Faber should have won the Calder, he was more valuable to his team, and is playing well above his age. Bedard was anointed by the NHL powers that be.
There’s only one McDavid. McJesus scored 48 points in 45 games as a rookie back in 2015-16 when only a handful of players averaged a point per game in that low scoring era. Nowadays nobody bats an eye if someone accumulates 82+ points in 82 games since there’s 30 other players who do it. While I agree with the premise of this video, I do think Bedard failing to put up a point per game in this high scoring era isn’t the best look for him. Regardless of how bad the Hawks are, the “best prospect since McDavid” should be putting up a point per game in this era. He really should be
Watching the Blackhawks game against the Leafs really put into perspective just how trash they really are. Staal, Maroon and Teravainen were basically the only 3 players on their roster who looked like genuine NHL players out there that game. Bedard had the occasional flash as well, but he seems to be extremely light on the puck so for most of the game he was kind of invisible.
The ownership in Buffalo did NOT care enough about the Sabres (they are more focused on the Bills)! IF they did care, they woulda given Eichel all the medical help he needed! But since they did NOT, Vegas took a chance with him (paying for his operation and patiently waiting for him to recover from it) and got rewarded!
It sucks that the Bedard glaze kind of killed the hype for Celebrini, especially now that it’s looking like Celebrini is the better player overall and was more deserving of the hype all along.
People were hyping him up to have a 100 point sophomore season and now they are calling him a bust for not having 20 goals in 20 games or something like that
@@SharksSJ408 I agree they overhyped Bedard, and putting all that pressure on him to be better than Mcdavid kind of made him lose confidence in his game
McDavid came into the league on an equally shitty team, and dominated. Bedard is not a generational talent. He will be an average 60-70pt guy his entire career. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but he's no McDavid/Crosby/Ovechkin like everyone thought he was going to be. I'm still amazed Michkov was taken 6th, he is going to be way better than Bedard.
@@JohnB-mo4kq That would be a scary line if they made that happen but glad it didnt. I hate the wild (Avs fan) but love watching those two players lol i do like how the wild our competitive and they have their superstar, though. Now i'm just waiting on the redwings to gain their glory back, so it'll be a fun match up against my team 😝
Honestly I think bredard needs a “Logan coolie” on his team, another young prospect that he can grow with on the offensive line and feed him the puck but also draw the defense to him. kinda like toews and Kane at the start of that dynasty, I know toews wasn’t a sniper but him and Kane were lethal together, and they were both young and grew their games together at the same time. I also think the should have resigned Kane to teach Connor. Both small guys, number 1 overalls, both had lots of expectations to preform, he would have been the perfect teacher and been a great passer to let Connor get off his shot. Also having Seth jones on a 8.5 or 9.5 (don’t remember the exact amount) mil contract was a dumb idea for the hawks, I never saw him being worth that kind of money but when you gamble sometimes you gotta loose I guess.
It is surprising because you saw so many great things from him last year even with that serious injury. Expected a big step forward this year. Maybe that wasn’t fair with the talent around him.
Dude there was certainly instances where this was true, but the NHL wants to market this player, and they haven't really gave him more coverage than mcdavid. The glazing narrative at this point is total bs
@odyssey9334 "Well, its been like that, but its because they want to sell him. To say it now is bs!" The middle-aged women in their marketing department backed off when even the little guy in question said it's uncomfortable to see, nevermind the social media feedback that included (now deleted) posts showing a breakdown in content posts broken down by employee demographic.
Bedars +/- stats are hmm Something... 😅 over hyped guy, he is a kid, so media and everybody should get him time! Thats dangerous to put all that pressure to that young player. So let him just play,🙏
@@cockandballtortureconnoiss2643 You have a point but that’s two players and don’t forget Keith was drafted and Seabrook. Bedard is a huge boost to our rebuild but it’s drafting and developing young players that can be very important pieces for the future. In about 2 years then we’ll complete for the playoffs.
@@bobdobalini Both teams are in a rebuild phase. The sharks were dead last in standings at the end of the year and were expected to be near the bottom again this year. The Blackhawks had their rookie win the Calder while also being on a bottom tier team. The post season additions were meant to help Bedard. The Sharks had no idea how to play around Celebrini when he came into the league. Celebrini has only played 17 games out of the team's 29 games, due to an injury he had early into the season. Bedard has played all 26 of his team's games so far. With how little Celebrini has played so far, and considering Bedard has more experience. Celebrini has more potential than Bedard, and has already shown why he will only get better as the season progresses. Not to mention, the Sharks have a rookie coach.
team building and coaching might be a major part here. take it easy on the kid. not to mention the weight of trying to bring back the Blackhawks to contenders. And not just contenders, but also brighten the future of what is a dark history during that short time at the top.
lmfao this insane comment. "short time at the top" The Blackhawks dynasty made 9 straight playoff appearances; in the first they went to the WCF; in the last they were the #1 seed in the West. They went to 5 WCF in 7 years, won 3 Cups in 6 years. If the Hawks dynasty had a "short time at the top", which team in the cap era has not had a short time at the top? They dominated the entire era. They aren't the Kings or Lightning. Hell, their first and last Cups were more spread out than the Islanders dynasty. And "a dark history" is the funniest libt@rd nonsense I've ever seen.The Blackhawks dynasty is the brightest part of modern NHL history. It's the biggest best thing the NHL has ever had. Ratings, merch, views, likes, subscribes, attendance, they dominated all. They were so big that the three biggest stories since the dynasty are 2 scandals involving it and Bedard, sent there by the league in the vain hope of repeating it (and forcing out the dynasty legends to do so).
It is really really weird you all think he had a "generational" rookie season when he even missed many many games. He is not even close to the prodigy everyone thought he would be.
Give other teams some credit. They’ve seen Bedard on video and live. Other teams have figured out ways to defend against Bedard. Part of Bedard’s growth will be making changes to his game to keep other teams off balance. As a Red Wings fan I don’t mind see the Blackhawks struggle. However, the NHL is a better place with Conor Bedard in it and I enjoy watching him. I’m looking forward to seeing what kind of player he grows into in a few years.
Ill add to it. He doesnt have breakaway speed either so he gets bullied off the puck all the time since average defensemen are always right next to him.
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People said the same about Jack Hughes because he took a couple of years to develop.
There is absolutely no patience nowadays.
NO HE HAS TO BE THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NHL RIGHT AWAY!!! lol like be real …
i mean i kinda understand why theres no patience. you dont come into the leavue first overall and hyped to be generational and not have insane pressure to perform immediately tbh.
@@BedardTruther98 yeah ngl also with the amount of money he’s prob making and expectations and his junior career did showcase he should be a superstar rn
McDavid, Crosby, Ovechkin didn't need years to be elite. They came in and were elite within two years.
@@TheEpicEndermanTV bedsy’s a 19 year old kid who has the weight of an entire fanbase on his shoulders. we see slumps like this constantly. its part of the game. bedsy’s gonna be fine.
He also has the 3rd highest points per game among all players under 20 since the lockout. Kane was at 0.88 ppg, Stamkos was at 0.88 ppg and Bedard is at 0.87. He’s not doing as great as some were expecting but he’s not doing poorly either
bedard is at 0.76 right now. 19pts in 25 games
That's because he gets some of the most ice time of any player in history. Anyone with that amount of ice time would have a good PPG. That said, his points-against per game is the worst in 30 years of rookies.
@@arihia45 Over his career, including last year
Almost all his goals are off the rush. That is not a recipe for success imo
This doesn't make sense, Crosby was like a 1.4 during that time.
Biggest issue is linemates. How can anyone do much when their linemates have career years of 16 points and 25 points prior to playing in a team with Bedard. Talking about Reichel and Kurashev
Him and Kurashev got quite a groove last season, and Bedard has spent very little time with Reichel this season or last.
Nope. Dickinson did great last year on the same team.
Lemeaux had zero help in his first couple years and was breaking records.
With exception of one or two players they don't put up tbe numbers till they are 21.
So risking major injury these 18 year olds jeopardize their career.
@@DavidSmith-wd7wc Lemieux played in a very, very different era. And, with all respect to Bedard, Lemieux was the most skilled player in history. Bedard isn't to that level.
@@DavidSmith-wd7wc "Well the most talented player in the history of the sport got it done" is certainly something.
Kid 100% got a future and is going to be a superstar, just some time and better teammates.
You are correct. There's a lot that could be analyzed and broken-down but in a nutshell, Bedard has a superstar future because he has the three qualities that the highest level players all have: talent, work ethic and hockey IQ. His handicap is his team. I suppose if the Blackhawks never improve, he might flounder but even in that scenario would probably get traded at some point and revitalize his career.
Also saw no one pointing out the World Championship where the coach stopped playing him at one point. I feel like this could have had an impact on his confidence. Fuck coaches like that, honestly.
@@esperago It's Chicago, they'd probably trade him for a couple fifth round picks and retain half his cap. They just fired their coach, but he didn't sign a bunch of third and fourth liners... Chicago said they were after young talent, so they traded away guys like Hagel. Chicago has brain damaged management.
They should have let Kane mentor him and he'll him grow.
Superstar? I don't see it
Bedard bout to have a Nathan Mackinnon arc.
This
Seriously this - just watch 2 years later we’re gonna have titles like Bedard is Torching the League and no one can’t stop him. Give the kid two good ljnemates a solid blue line and a goalie that can stop most pucks - he will give back to the organization tenfold.
Perpetually pissed off Sharks fan here
he just needs to come home to Vancouver
Lol, he's nowhere near Mackinnon talent. Bedard is an overhyped Zegras.
@@JohnB-mo4kq do you not know what “MacKinnon Arc” means
The problem isn't Bedard or his teammates. The problem is the media and the hype. Eliminate most of the the media hype about being a "generational" player, and things are fine. Yes, Bedard needs consistent, quality linemates, but he didn't have great linemates last year, and he did great. Like a lot of others who have commented, I believe Bedard is going to be fine. Part of his problem is that he is just a really nice kid who feels responsible. He is probably frustrated, embarrassed and lacking in confidence right now. I would melt in his situation. LIke you said, be patient and all will be well.
That’s the best take I’ve read on this whole situation. Thanks.
yes , the media made him believe he was speshial and he believed it
@@pierreluc5382 The media may not to tell you, but you may "speshial" as well...
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thank you
you are also speshial. dont ever forget
Agreed
I hate the Blackhawks, but he's young and most likely going through the sophomore slump. The kid will rebound and have a great career with Chicago or even with another team.
real puck knowers can acknowledge greatness even when its on a team they hate. mad respect to you.
@@BedardTruther98 Bedard is a good kid, he's just on a terrible Blackhawks team
@@spc87forever massively agree. however we have talent developing in the farm system and are on pace for another high draft pick. i’m hopeful for the next few years. who knows? maybe soon we’ll be debating Bedard vs McDavid for best player of the 2020’s.
I agree. I hate the Blackhawks, but it’s fun to see Bedard on his game.
You guys know your stuff. True hockey fans.
He's 19 and he's essentially playing shorthanded the entire game. If he gets to another team or the Blackhawks start building an actual NHL team he'll be fine.
hawks are literally developing the talent to help him out in the farm system right now lmao
Fine =/= generational.
@@jfkst1 fine for the hype he has is what they were reffering to. please don''t speak if you don't know puck.
@@JessicaVandal
I know he was hyped to be generational and he is not close to generational at this time. Please don't speak if you don't know reality.
@@jfkst1 he was hyped to be generational after development time due to his lack of size and strength. dimwit.
This just in, hockey is a team sport and no one player can out-perform being on a dumpster fire team.
I don’t think there’s a lot “wrong” with Bedard’s game. He’s 19. Nineteen.
If he’s still struggling 3 or 4 years from now, then that’s disappointing. But now? Any whinging about Bedard is just from media hacks trying to generate clicks, or from impatient, myopic casual fans.
He is too small. Needs to put on weight and muscle mass. He is a kid playing with men out there.
Bigger than Patrick Kane, Jack Hughes, same build as Crosby
He is afraid of big defensman like Ristolainen or Mikkola. His leg are shaking I heard from Buffalos bench
@@conners3323Crosby is built like a fire hydrant. Even as a rookie he had legs like tree trunks and couldn’t be knocked off the puck. Bedard is much weaker on his skates.
@@RockinBobXYZExactly! Plus Crosby could take a hit from literal head hunters and monsters from his era. Bédard hates getting checked, and his opponents know it.
This is huge and spot on. He had room to make magic in juniors (and on the PP). He's not strong on the puck and even as these videos show here, sometimes he's got this weird off-balance on his heels thing going on.
You can’t build a franchise around ONE single player. He needs a good team to support him. The reason Sid rose up the way he did is cuz the penguins don’t completely suck. They have some solid players. The hawks management will either realize this and build their roster or bedard will develop for a few years and then look to trade to a winning team.
Literally take any of the other super stars or generational players and #1 pause development through covid and #2 put them on the current Chicago team and they won’t have a great start. We live in a reactive society that likes telling other people they were wrong.
Help is coming with probably another 1-2 top 5 picks. Just like the Pens had hit on 5 straight 1st rounders who had l succesful careers before Sid was drafted.( Orpik, Colby Armstrong, Ryan Whitney, Malkin,Fleury... theres more than that who weren't 1st rounders. Malone, TKennedy etc...) all helped turn them into a solid team. Who was contending in 2 years after Sid. Chicago hasnt had the same draft succes prior to getting Connor.
Yes it can…Ovi in WC
@@yadamsurensh4003 wow. One example. One example is all you could muster?! My original statement still stands.
Bedard is not expected to be like McDavid. Part of the issue is that everyone made him out to be way more than what he is. It's not really fair to him. He is going to be an insane player but on the level of McDavid or Sid? No way.
Kane might genuinely be the best comparison as to what he could become.
Exactly, everyone was saying Bedard is better than Mcdavid, and when he isn’t better than Mcdavid they call him a bust, it’s ridiculous
@sethking4311 Yup. Partially the league's fault. They pushed him so heavily and probably for viewership and excitement to come into the league.
@@sethking4311no one was saying he was better
@@brandona9326 not really, Conner is still and can be as good as McDavid. It’s just there is no goal support and the Hawks are still in the rebuild. The league did what exactly they did with Mcdavid. Give the kid a break. He’s in his second season and we’re thinking that he should be in his prime.
@@Stzu-s2bt55 I am giving him a break but no, he's nowhere near McDavid and never will be. It's this thought that puts him in such a spotlight and I have no idea why anyone thought this in the first place.
It’s like everyone forgot Chicago tanked to get a first round pick. They’re still trying to recover.
And have a good chance to draft high next year as well if they keep losing.
They don't even deserve Bedard. A smaller market team could finish dead last and not get a top pick. Which is exactly what happened.
One of the reasons I never watch the draft is because it's 100 percent rigged.
@@iambiglucasagreed. He was supposed to be a Duck.
@@iambiglucasHe'd be looking much better in a Blue Jackets jersey rn. But I'm good with Fantilli tbh
This year has to be the most competitive Calder race in recent history right? Stankoven, Celebrini, Michkov all look like the real deal
Watching Bruins game and Hawks D is atrocious on breakouts. Hawks often enter O-Zone flat-footed. The talent he plays with is ECHL quality playmakers. He will excel I believe with a talented D core. Celebrini is a completely different type of talent. Both are elite.
@@lucaAK this guy knows puck.
The problem, and I think if you look at the games and teams they did beat and even dominated you’d agree, is with the system. The team has the talent to be at least top 20 but their coaching staff is atrocious. It’s still early under the new coach but they have looked far better.
@@jdog345 massively agreed. the game agaisnt the rangers was top notch. even if i still think the lines need work, the team already looks way better.
Michkov is better than both. We'll look back and it'll be clear Matvei should and would have gone 1st had other teams known they wouldn't have had to wait for him.
I heard that in pre-draft interviews, Michkov told every team in the top 5 that he wouldn’t sign with them. That’s why he fell to the Flyers.
This
@@SharksSJ408 Players only do that when they want to be brought into an already somewhat winning team. So he tanked his draft placement in order to get placed into a decent team. Bedard and Celebrini are arguably the two best players under 20 in the NHL, AND they did it on terrible teams, AND they're both Centers.
@@SharksSJ408 That myth needs to die already.
As a Wild fan I’ve had to listen to other Wild fans complain about “draft busts” Matt Boldy and Marco Rossi after they got off to slow starts in their careers. These KIDS need time to develop!
If Conor Bedard doesn’t live up to expectations it’s because the organization failed him and not because he never had it in him to begin with
Or he dint had it in him to become an NHL Generational
imagine what he could do playing with 2 skilled linemates
McDavid turned Patrick Maroon into a 27 goal scorer. Crosby turned Kunitz into a star. Bedard is overrated and not generational, at all.
@@Nic_Garscum maroon and kunitz already had some skill lmfao the fuck is this take.
@@Nic_Garscum zero puck knowledge.
How about 2 decent ones?
Sounds like a personal problem. Every so called generational talent, that actually turned into a generational talent dominated. Bedard is an average player. I'll be amazed if he ever breaks 100pts.
dunno if i've clicked on a video faster. these have become my favorite hockey vids on YT
Center depth isnt awful, we have Dickenson and...
and...
And… and… and…
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Nazar is developing nicely at rockford at least hopefully he can be become a solid 2nd line centre
@@fubartotale3389 Nazar, Moore, Rinsel, and Boisvert are all expected to debut within the next season or two.
This is a fantastic video! Very insightful. Keep up the good work.
sure, it is, especially when you focus his goods, but not much on his bads, because even his bads gets an *
- his bad faceoff stats is due to his lack of experience? yeah right.. he is 5 foot 9 and he sucks at faceoffs, thats's the reason.
that said, i think he is a good young skilled forward, who'll score 70+ points regularly.
What bothers me is people are taking this all to make grand statements about Bedard as a player and the trajectory of his career. It’s literally a blip. The longest he’s gone without a point this year is only 3 games. He could score 10 goals in the next 10-12 games easily, and be right on track. If he was getting zero chances there’d be real concern, but it’s just puck luck and mind games. The coaching was awful too - the line switching, the dump and chase stuff. That issue is now hopefully solved with Richardson being fired. Oh, and he gets a ton of PPP, and Blackhawks have gone through a franchise record-setting low amount of PP opportunities.
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Not too worried about Bedard. He will figure it out, growing pains of a rebuild and developing a young player.
He never has "figured it out". Never will. He's just not a team player. Never has been.
@@Shurehlmit’s his second year in the league? your opinions in these comments seem more based off surface level observations than they do actual facts…
@@BedardTruther98 his opinion is based on being the most unreasonable thing, because that gets the most attention.
Better to just ignore him.
@@cousinpatsey2471 fair point.
@@BedardTruther98 If he was really a "generational talent" then we wouldn't be having this convo. Check out Crosby and Ovi in their rookie years. Real generational talents make their teams better. Bedard does the opposite.
As a Blackhawks Fan. I see huge swing for him in the future. I see this as the hardest time he will have for his entire career. The bounce back potential for him and therefore the Blackhawks is huge. Be it next year or the year after the Blackhawks are going to come out this slump in a big way!
That "situation" would have gotten the same reaction from any hockey locker room in the universe. Rightfully so.
lol it took edmonton three first rounds picks and how many years with mcdavid and they play on-off hockey and were lucky to get as far as they did last year
@@charmander777yeah, you care so deeply you can’t even get his name right.
@charmander God doesn't listen to the prayers of Pokedorks.
Chicago survives...
...EVERYTHING!!!! 👊😠
@@conners3323 stand to be corrected: Kyle Beach. Anyways I pray the blackhawks suck for the next decade . Brad Aldrich can go burn in hell. I do feel bad for Conor Berdard for being on such a crappy team.
Hey, at least he’s not out there taking it out on taxicab drivers
Maybe he needs to?
Patrick Kane reference?
This channel is so good
Worth noting how strong the Bedard has been with Teravainen/Bertuzzi vs when he's with Hall/Kurashev/Mikheyev.
The Teravainen-Foligno-Bedard line had a 57.1 xGF% as a line and it's the most common line Bedard has been on (84 minutes together). Among lines with 80+ minutes together, that's the 28th best forward line out of 83 this season.
The 2nd most common line is Kurashev-Bedard-Donato which has spent 43 minutes together and has a 46.3 xGF% - good for 167th out of 223 (min. 40 mins as a line).
Bedard is actually playing quite well but he isn't at "carry a line" level yet. It's hard to do that in the NHL, especially when your traits are skill and not athleticism. It's harder for him to perform individual efforts the way that McDavid and Mackinnon did as rookies but he still might be more skilled as a player, especially considering he has the best shot from a rookie since Matthews.
fantastic analysis. i feel the same way on a lot of these points. i feel like matthews’ shot is a bit stronger than bedards though.
@@BedardTruther98they are saying that comparing his shot to rookie matthews. Which even then id say there's a bit of a distance but still
@@darcys842 thats what i was referring to aswell.
@@BedardTruther98 Bedard will add some more size with age and may even still grow a little and his shot could get some more whip but even still, Matthews is working with a filled out 6'3 frame so its not a fair fight 😄
@SheffyLee yeah i agree with you there. i feel like if he fills out he’d be lethal, he’s already good and compensating for his size with his speed in my opinionZ
I like your video, you have good insight into the theory of the game.
He’s not coming on as strong as Crosby, oveckkin or mcdavid who established them selves as top NHL talents within their first/second seasons. No need to worry, doesn’t always happen as fast but it will happen. He might have a good weekend/game and suddenly be over 1 point per game this year. He might go off the second half and challenge the league leaders, I wouldn’t be surprised. His start isn’t really that bad, everyone is overreacting. The supporting cast looks pretty decent on paper but hasn’t materialized. I stress patience, his future is bright in hockey
Mcdavid , Crosby and Ovechkin are on a different planet in terms of generational talents
@@sethking4311 mcdavid is more than generational. i had people who never followed hockey before asking me about him. he’s a once in a millenium player.
@@BedardTruther98McDavid is slowly approaching 30 without a Cup. His "more than generational talent" doesn't mean squat if he can't win.
@@dotursdottir ovechkin was 33 when he won his stanley cup and is about to surpass gretzky for the all time goal record. i assume you think he’s also not a generational talent because he was over 30 when he won his first cup? please conisder what youre saying before you say it.
@@BedardTruther98 Ovechkin is a one trick pony.
Thanks for the content love your videos . I started watching the Red Wings again last year (thanks to the pistons) I knew next to zero about strategy and technique until I found your channel
Love these breakdowns
Best hockey channel on RUclips, brother!
I will stay by my statement that Celebrini is doing well in part to his prowess of hockey but the fact that Grier has put competent linemates with him- as soon as Celebrini was put along side Eklund and Zetterlund his point streak started, Bedard must have support to be successful. Bedard himself is a bonafide super star his teammates however? Pylons 99 percent of them.
Hey man I'm a Sharks fan too, bet let's not act like Celebrini isn't a huge reason players around him are playing better. The team, baring a couple of players is the same from last year, the one that had the literal worst record in the history of the NHL, that, and the sharks went on a 8 game losing streak without him. Great players make the players around them better and themselves. Bedard still has decent pieces and veteran presence. Look at last year. Chicago was the same team and was also trash, and didn't have Bertuzzi and Hall in the line up and Bedard put up 61pts. I think it's more about protectable leadership or lack thereof.
@ oh definitely Celebrini is a huge factor but the fact he has similar age linemates with offensive upside is a massive boon to him, Eklund and Smith are just better with him and Granlunds resurgence is boost as well, Chicago doesn’t have that oomph in their line up
Mcdavid could do it. Doesnt matter who you put him with. Stop making excuses. Im with most people on this site. He might 100 points. Thats if he doesnt get injured
How is Bedard a superstar? He was a superstar in junior but he has not proven anything in the NHL.
@ yeah for now but look at Mackinnkns number in his year one and two - look each player has their breakout, I think everyone wants a McDavid or Eichel level of improvement when really that’s just not tenable, each player grows at different levels
I don’t know what this Chanel is but it’s the smartest hockey video I’ve seen in years
When’s the video about Sabres playoff drought gonna drop ?
Conor Bedard is the example why you don't rely on one player
Bedard is a good example of how an over-rated player who is treated like a "generational talent" can make a mediocre team worse.
McDavid...
@@deanhil3978 Yeah but McDavid plays a 200 foot game. He back checks. He doesn't float. He doesn't leave the zone early. He doesn't leave his linemates playing short-handed all shift while he's looking to pad his stats.
@@Shurehlm moving the goalposts when its pointed out you're incorrect as usual with bitches like you
@@Shurehlm you should watch the Hawks vs Oilers last game someone completely out played Mcdavid. I’ll give you a clue. It’s Bedard. .
I think Mitchkov is going to be better. For the record, I’m a Panthers fan I have no dog in this hunt. I watch a lot of hockey though, every game I can, and Mitchkov just looks scary good. I’m happy to admit I was wrong in a couple years tho, I hope they’re both beasts.
It's so easy to say that shit though when Philly has a semi competent NHL team. It's very easy to look good on mediocrity. It's very tough to when your team is that bad.
Love your videos! He will get there, just needs to find his footing and develop.
From Chicago, I think Bedard is going to be a good NHL player - TOP 6 for most of his career. But, i dont see him being a superstar like Kane was. Which, is okay. Give me a serviceable 15 year career with about a point a game and im happy.
lol him not being as good as Kane would be a disappointment since he was projected to be better
I mean it's reasonable he wouldn't be, he's definitely going to be a superstar, but he won't ever hit Kane's level of stardom. He's known as the greatest American to ever touch the game for a reason.
@AdamOBrien-d1z dawg what? i literally own a bedard jersey and a commemorative puck from his debut. i love bedard but its important to be realistic with your expectations aswell. i think he’ll be a generational superstar, but patrick kane was something else. what he did for chicago hockey is almost indescribable, you just had to be there.
@@cockandballtortureconnoiss2643 Kane is one of the most special careers in NHL history. A list of his achievements would shock most of the people replying here.
@BedardTruther98 this comment thread is insanely stupid, brother he's likely going to be better than kane if he pans out.
Great video! It sucks that he is so hard on himself. He will get there. He works hard.
"Bedsy toe drag... Toe drag Bedsy... Toe drag!' - Coach Chippy
yep! He's a one trick pony
I hope he signs with them in 2 years
Honestly, after watching Chicago in the Leafs game, I just felt bad for him. I can't pretend to know what needs to change, but the Leafs played pretty bad, Chicago tried really hard and often outplayed them, but they just kinda sucked. Can't complete passes can't win battles. And there seems to be very little chemistry between any players.
Down the road, I'm sure this will be good for his character, but there's no way he's carrying that team.
I believe he will mature and take control of that franchise in due time. But if you look at the play at 3:19 is actually a poor defensive play on his part-- he gets rewarded with a goal, but he's flying the zone on the chance that TJ Brodie wins a battle on the wall. If that puck goes down low to McDavid. You can't have this. This isn't the dub anymore & that's not how the professional game is played. He's legit though, will figure it out and Chicago can build around him.
Its his size to be honest, he gets muscled off of the puck alot, not that he isnt yoked hes just small, needs to stick to what hes good at
100% this. There’s never really been a true superstar in the NHL as small as Bedard. You could argue that Kane was similar in this regard, but I think even he was a little bigger and taller than Bedard.
@@SharksSJ408 Kane also played wing to which vastly helped him plus he had speed to his game. I see Bedard moving to wing once they get a true top center
It’s his lack of speed as well, if he was an elite skater his lack of size wouldn’t be an issue but he’s slow for a little guy
@@SharksSJ408 Kane used his fast hands and quick lateral movement, bedard needs too doo the same thing, hes good on the puck just need to take his time and use his hands more
Give it a couple of years. Enough juice and iron will do the trick. Some players have done it too much though, which has made them slower, so it’s a very fine line.
Minus 44 on rookie year is a success?
Imagine Bedard with Zuc and Kaprizov.
I think Zuc will be retired by the time Bedard's ELC is up! Perhaps alongside Kirilla and Boldy would be cool! Rossi can be 2C and JEEK will be 3C!
I think both are going to be great. Chicago and San Jose got their man.
Guy Lafleur did not blossom until his fourth season, he was fairly good after that.
Lafleur took his helmet off and then became a superstar,not an option in todays hockey.
@@terryburgess8344 Correct, his confidence finally came forward, the helmet story is over blown IMO. Point being, some patience is required. Lafleur dominated the scoring race from then on. He had some pretty good support as I recall :)
Bedard will be a stud. Celebrini will be a stud. I don't get the point of HAVING to make which player is "better", the Hawks were GARBAGE last year and the signings doesn't make them better. Overall he will be A-OKAY.
@@ToaastyKoyote exactly this. amazing point.
Exactly dude , I don’t like when people compare Bedsy vs Celebrini, they will both be superstars and they are entirely different and players the comparisons don’t help at all, I’m a Hawks fan and I know that Celebrini is a young superstar and so is Bedard
@@sethking4311 Celebrini and Bedard will go down as two of the best forwards of the 2020’s. I think that Bedard is going to be better over all once he fills out his frame a bit more and learns to be more of an explosive player.
Bedard won’t be a stud
I think it's funny that people say he's overhyped and basically say people overreacted to how good he was in the WHL then turn around and overreact to him having some growing pains being a young player on a bad team. People who say he won't at least be an elite player seem jealous their team didn't get him, so they just want him to fail. And I'm saying this as someone who HATES the Blackhawks.
They simply don’t have anyone with any skill for him to play with. They brought in Bertuzzi and Teravainan specifically to play with him and Bertuzzi has been awful. Teravainan has been ok but both those guys are middle six wingers that were better on other teams because they were loaded with offensive talent. Taylor Hall would be the obvious choice for a linemate but he’s coming off major knee surgery and is only now getting comfortable. Hawks have some good talent they’ve drafted but they probably need an elite offensive winger to seriously compete. If they stink it up for the rest of the year then they can probably draft that winger but Davidson has to bring in some elite offense to complement Bedard and help him develop. If I were the Hawks I would way overpay Marner in free agency. Marner might do it to play with Bedard, especially if the Leafs collapse again.
I feel bad for Bedard as a person, but Chicago gets what it deserves for tanking. They tanked so well that they can't figure out how to win anymore. Even their AHL affiliate isn't doing well, they don't have talent coming from the pipeline.
- guy who thinks the only thing that matters in the AHL is wins
Their pipeline is loaded my guy, ranked #1
@@irishbob81 not even #1 in their division.
@@FlexibleToast brother what? the pipeline rankings is based off the caliber of the prospsects the team has overall. holy shit the lack of puck knowledge is absurd.
@@irishbob81and without leadership & a talentless front office expect more losing from losers
He’ needs a true goal scorer on his line and some big guy to lay the hits but still offensively minded tho. Kid has talent just need a break out year with a solid team
Fuck it send Bedsy to WJC to give em a "Confidence builder"
It would be fun to see this but the hawks did that when they had Kirby Dach and he broke his wrist and was out for the remainder of the year.
Yeah they aren't gonna do that again
imagine having both bedard AND celebrini on that wjc team...it would be crazy even though it's not happening
Attaboy
I doubt anyone expects more out of Bedard than Bedard does himself. I wouldn't want to deal with that shit. He's doing the best he can with what the hockey gods have given him. ✌🏻
As a Blackhawks fan, I entirely agree. I would love to see Bedard getting better and growing into the shoes that were placed before him, but the Blackhawks as a team aren’t really doing that. The Hawks need to stop the line juggling and focus on bettering all of our young talent and allowing them to grow instead of trying to jam pieces together to make offense. I look forward to the future of this team and I can’t wait for all our young talent to grow
Bedard just needs a better line up
Yeah he just needs to play on the 4th line of the Oilers
So I'm a native Chicagoan and have been a Hawks fan all my life. I thoroughly believe that a lot of the media and fans are overreacting to his production. Connor does not have the talent surrounding him to produce at some insane level like Sid did in his second year or even Kane did. However, Connor has made insane strides defensively and has shown improvement in his game despite the goal drought he went through. The constant line-changes are something all of us can and are hoping to do without because you have to build chemistry. But if we are able to get that second piece like Kane and Toews, McDavid and Draisaitl, Ovechkin and Backstrom, etc. all of this "He's overrated" will go away. We are not built to win right now and tho are prospects are really good, I don't think there is one that we can slot in with Connor and have that crazy connection and chemistry. Will they be good, yes, but maybe not insane. In the end this season is just a stepping stone, we are getting another top 5 pick and we will either draft someone who can play with him like that or sign someone who can. But Connor will still be our points leader and still finish the season with 20 goals. Hell he's already improving, look at his playmaking. He's been insane with setting up the ever-changing rotation of line-mates and generating offense for other players. So to be honest let them call him crap and draw wild comparisons because in 2 or 3 years, hell it could even be next year or at the trade deadline. We are going to find that piece that clicks And with our prospects and keeping players like Tuevo/Bertuzzi and our young defensemen (Who are going to be crazy if they keep developing well like they have) our team is going to be a force for another 5-10 years. And all of those people who want to point at his stats and laugh are gonna hate how good the kid is. Connor may have not improved to his liking, but watch him closely on the ice and you'll see the difference he is making. Plus a lot of our losses have been extremely tight up until the 3rd period where they score an empty-netter because we can't score in the third as a team at all right now. But hey despite being last at the moment, we should theoretically be a hell of a lot worse point wise. No need to overreact, our time will come and a lot sooner than most expect it to
It's quite painful to watch right now. 2018-2020 was the end of chip and chase and now we are back to it.
"or even Kane"
Kane in his 2nd year had 9 goals in 16 playoff games including a hattie vs Luongo in a clinching win. His 3rd year was 1st team all NHL, had a huge playoffs, and won the Cup w an OT goal to become the youngest #1 pick to win the Cup. Kane and his legacy are far greater than most commenters seem to realize. He did things no one else has ever done.
@@paulwt9783 exactly. Kane is known as the greatest american hockey player for a reason. you couldnt go to chicago without hearing his name in the 2010’s. He’s easily what Jordan was to the Bulls for the Blackhawks.
Great video!
The fact is he just isnt as developed as Celebrini. It's pretty glaring
Brother what? We went from everyone bitching about bedard glazing to everyone actually glazing celebrini. He's not even leading rookies in points. Yes he's been damn good, but go touch grass
@@odyssey9334 you do realize that Celebrini spent a good chunk of the season on IR, right? since coming back he's been nothing short of fantastic
@@odyssey9334he’s leading rookies in points per game. Go watch a SJ game and you’ll see the 200 ft difference. Celebrini wins pucks against the best in the league consistently so far in his career. It’s not just the points
@TylrVncnt No he isn't leading ppg, overtime goals, shots on net, like I said he's been damn good at winning things like puck battles but Michkov currently in the best rookie. Also answer honestly would you rather of Bedard or Celebrini
"bedard still leads the blackhawks in points." yeah, but once upon a time after he was the "biggest draft bust in history", out of the league for 2 years and came back on a penguins tryout, Alexander Daigle also led the Wild in points.
Wasn’t it the Sens?
Bedard is not a generational player ! Not even close. He’s too soft with no physicality. The league has figured him out !
Your commentary is not only informative, but an amazing displace of comedic timing. I take what you say to pretend I know what im talking about. Keep em' coming. #loveit
Everyone called Jack a bust. Go to the Prudential Center now and it's a sea of Hughes jerseys. I counted 15 in a row the other night before I saw a different one. And I wasn't counting the one that I was wearing. My point is give him some time to develop. He's 19.
Hughes has speed, what Bedard doesn't
You make so any excuses for Bedard in this video, it’s funny. Thanks for the comedy.
It turns out when play for a team that sucks you won't have consistent success. Shocker. Bedard will no doubt still rebound and hopefully the Blackhawks will too because we know for a fact he is GOOD.
Mcdavid had consistent success points wise, and the oilers were absolutely horrible when he joined the NHL, but I can just already tell Bedard will never be on mcdavids level. Bedard just needs more time and experience and I'm sure he'll light up the goal lamp alot.
In my lifetime we were at the top 2010, 2013, and 2015.
I know that we will be there again in time.
HAWKS FAN FOR LIFE!!!! ✊️😎
Connor Bedard will get out of this adversity i know he can
Yes he will, he just needs time to mature his game, and many superstars in the NHL have taken many seasons to fully pan out and meat full expectation
@sethking4311 very true Seth Glad he scored the other night but yes i agree with ya buddy
Great to see the Michov goal!, dude is killing it in Philly
He was cut some slack for being the 'new venom', but other players aren't laying off and giving him a pass like this year. I'm sure he's a good kid, and extremely talented, but he's small and playing with a lot of experienced adults.
And Brock Faber should have won the Calder, he was more valuable to his team, and is playing well above his age. Bedard was anointed by the NHL powers that be.
There’s only one McDavid. McJesus scored 48 points in 45 games as a rookie back in 2015-16 when only a handful of players averaged a point per game in that low scoring era. Nowadays nobody bats an eye if someone accumulates 82+ points in 82 games since there’s 30 other players who do it. While I agree with the premise of this video, I do think Bedard failing to put up a point per game in this high scoring era isn’t the best look for him. Regardless of how bad the Hawks are, the “best prospect since McDavid” should be putting up a point per game in this era. He really should be
He’s a bust
if bedsy would be with a better team he would be twice as better
Exactly dude, I bet even if Chicago had Mcdavid they would still suck becuase they are basically are farm team right now
@@sethking4311 Uh, McDavid played on one of the worst Oilers teams ever, and still dominated. Keep huffing the Bedard copium.
Celebrini's not looking so bad now. Can't wait for the Sharks to figure out their defense
Just trade him now. Bedard for Hoglander
Watching the Blackhawks game against the Leafs really put into perspective just how trash they really are.
Staal, Maroon and Teravainen were basically the only 3 players on their roster who looked like genuine NHL players out there that game. Bedard had the occasional flash as well, but he seems to be extremely light on the puck so for most of the game he was kind of invisible.
Crosby, a center, won the Art Ross at 19.
Crosby also had a great mentor, and sometimes a line-mate with Lemieux, and enforcers, which Bedard really has none of
it really goes to show crosby and ovi both showed there is levels to greatness in hockey. Consistency is key
@@thepassionatepackrat1988 You think if Bedard was living with Lemiuex he'd score 120 points this year?
> Elite Mentor
> Lemieux as a linemate
> Consistent Enforcers
yeah man it's totally a 1:1 comparison
@@greenchef6 there is not a single SOUL who said that.
Great video!! Thank you!!
Dude is still a teenager and he’s scoring just under a ppg in his career. Hate to this guy proves how small minded some hockey fans are 💀
Eichel was in the same situation in Buffalo for years
The ownership in Buffalo did NOT care enough about the Sabres (they are more focused on the Bills)! IF they did care, they woulda given Eichel all the medical help he needed! But since they did NOT, Vegas took a chance with him (paying for his operation and patiently waiting for him to recover from it) and got rewarded!
It wasn’t a real fair deal for him. He got so overhyped that people were disappointed
Agree with that. I think his skill set is less projectionable to the NHL than legit generational talents.
It sucks that the Bedard glaze kind of killed the hype for Celebrini, especially now that it’s looking like Celebrini is the better player overall and was more deserving of the hype all along.
People were hyping him up to have a 100 point sophomore season and now they are calling him a bust for not having 20 goals in 20 games or something like that
@@SharksSJ408 I agree they overhyped Bedard, and putting all that pressure on him to be better than Mcdavid kind of made him lose confidence in his game
Saw them Saturday vs the Jets in Chicago and the Hawks couldn't string together two passes. It was brutal to watch.
McDavid came into the league on an equally shitty team, and dominated. Bedard is not a generational talent. He will be an average 60-70pt guy his entire career. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but he's no McDavid/Crosby/Ovechkin like everyone thought he was going to be. I'm still amazed Michkov was taken 6th, he is going to be way better than Bedard.
I heard that Michkov straight up told every team ahead of Philly that he wouldn’t sign with them.
This ^ Finally Flyers have a future superstar on that team in Mitchkov. Kid is gonna be special
@@Nate-vq8wy I wanted the Wild to trade up by some miracle to get him. Kaprizov/Michkov would be a terror in the NHL for years.
@@JohnB-mo4kq That would be a scary line if they made that happen but glad it didnt. I hate the wild (Avs fan) but love watching those two players lol i do like how the wild our competitive and they have their superstar, though. Now i'm just waiting on the redwings to gain their glory back, so it'll be a fun match up against my team 😝
Bedard will never be a star
Honestly I think bredard needs a “Logan coolie” on his team, another young prospect that he can grow with on the offensive line and feed him the puck but also draw the defense to him. kinda like toews and Kane at the start of that dynasty, I know toews wasn’t a sniper but him and Kane were lethal together, and they were both young and grew their games together at the same time. I also think the should have resigned Kane to teach Connor. Both small guys, number 1 overalls, both had lots of expectations to preform, he would have been the perfect teacher and been a great passer to let Connor get off his shot. Also having Seth jones on a 8.5 or 9.5 (don’t remember the exact amount) mil contract was a dumb idea for the hawks, I never saw him being worth that kind of money but when you gamble sometimes you gotta loose I guess.
Man, people love piling on Bedard these last couple of weeks.
Yeah, he is 19 and he is leading an NHL team in points, give him a break, many superstars have taken years to fully pan out
not one of those people actually knows puck lmao
@@JessicaVandal exactly
I don't know which one of them will be the better player, but the sharks will be out of the rebuild before Chicago
The sharks definitely have more talent on the roster, and Bedsy and Celebrini are both elite but yeah sharks will be better team sooner than the hawks
I can’t name anyone on Chicago other than Connor bedard.
Kyle Beach
@ never heard of him
Honestly, I can't really either, all the ones I'm thinking of are players who used to be on Chicago lmao
Taylor Hall
Teraivinen is good. That’s the only guy i can think of lol.
It is surprising because you saw so many great things from him last year even with that serious injury. Expected a big step forward this year. Maybe that wasn’t fair with the talent around him.
The NHL needs a Conklin Bedarbrini. That would be unstoppable.
This. I would pay to see this.
Supposedly he is allergic to peanuts... Watching him play it looks like he is allergic to contact
I didn't really care until the league marketing department started glazing him.
Dude there was certainly instances where this was true, but the NHL wants to market this player, and they haven't really gave him more coverage than mcdavid. The glazing narrative at this point is total bs
@odyssey9334 "Well, its been like that, but its because they want to sell him. To say it now is bs!"
The middle-aged women in their marketing department backed off when even the little guy in question said it's uncomfortable to see, nevermind the social media feedback that included (now deleted) posts showing a breakdown in content posts broken down by employee demographic.
Bedars +/- stats are hmm Something... 😅 over hyped guy, he is a kid, so media and everybody should get him time! Thats dangerous to put all that pressure to that young player. So let him just play,🙏
Remember when Chicago was nearly last from '03 to '06 ...then the got Toews and Kane, yeah
Critics need to chill
Kane and Toews were better than Bedard by their second years
@@cockandballtortureconnoiss2643 You have a point but that’s two players and don’t forget Keith was drafted and Seabrook. Bedard is a huge boost to our rebuild but it’s drafting and developing young players that can be very important pieces for the future. In about 2 years then we’ll complete for the playoffs.
Enough with the "expectations" and hype! Let him play and grow and he will!
Celebrini is better & much more exciting to watch!
He is definitely pretty exciting but don’t give up on Bedard just yet
Celebrini has a much better team. Bedard is first in points on his team Celebrini is 6th on his. Both great players and will have great careers.
@@bobdobalini Both teams are in a rebuild phase. The sharks were dead last in standings at the end of the year and were expected to be near the bottom again this year. The Blackhawks had their rookie win the Calder while also being on a bottom tier team. The post season additions were meant to help Bedard. The Sharks had no idea how to play around Celebrini when he came into the league. Celebrini has only played 17 games out of the team's 29 games, due to an injury he had early into the season. Bedard has played all 26 of his team's games so far. With how little Celebrini has played so far, and considering Bedard has more experience. Celebrini has more potential than Bedard, and has already shown why he will only get better as the season progresses. Not to mention, the Sharks have a rookie coach.
team building and coaching might be a major part here. take it easy on the kid. not to mention the weight of trying to bring back the Blackhawks to contenders. And not just contenders, but also brighten the future of what is a dark history during that short time at the top.
lmfao this insane comment. "short time at the top" The Blackhawks dynasty made 9 straight playoff appearances; in the first they went to the WCF; in the last they were the #1 seed in the West. They went to 5 WCF in 7 years, won 3 Cups in 6 years. If the Hawks dynasty had a "short time at the top", which team in the cap era has not had a short time at the top? They dominated the entire era. They aren't the Kings or Lightning. Hell, their first and last Cups were more spread out than the Islanders dynasty.
And "a dark history" is the funniest libt@rd nonsense I've ever seen.The Blackhawks dynasty is the brightest part of modern NHL history. It's the biggest best thing the NHL has ever had. Ratings, merch, views, likes, subscribes, attendance, they dominated all. They were so big that the three biggest stories since the dynasty are 2 scandals involving it and Bedard, sent there by the league in the vain hope of repeating it (and forcing out the dynasty legends to do so).
@@HarrisMcGovern what in the fragile masculinity did i just read
@HarrisMcGovern I stand behind my comment.
It is really really weird you all think he had a "generational" rookie season when he even missed many many games. He is not even close to the prodigy everyone thought he would be.
yeah man it's definitely his fault he couldn't play because of jaw surgery,
Give other teams some credit. They’ve seen Bedard on video and live. Other teams have figured out ways to defend against Bedard. Part of Bedard’s growth will be making changes to his game to keep other teams off balance.
As a Red Wings fan I don’t mind see the Blackhawks struggle. However, the NHL is a better place with Conor Bedard in it and I enjoy watching him. I’m looking forward to seeing what kind of player he grows into in a few years.
He's not big enough for the NHL. Skilled enough, yes.
Ill add to it. He doesnt have breakaway speed either so he gets bullied off the puck all the time since average defensemen are always right next to him.