The Yom Kippur War - Stephen Berk
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2013
- Professor Stephen Berk, (Union College), details the events of the 1973 Yom Kippur War.
Recorded at the Beth Tzedec Congregation, Toronto, Canada.
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Produced by Larry Rachlin
This man reminds me of one of my high school history teachers: they could both make sense of historical events by appealing to that one immutable factor that we're all saddled with - human nature. In the case of the Yom Kippur War, hubris, courage, and honour were the predominant elements. This was a very enlightening lecture.
I’m an Egyptian...I must say this man has given a great and fair lecture about the October war. And the peace treaty has held up to this day.
Have you read Al Shazly memoirs?
Indeed!!!
This was a very interesting and fascinating presentation.
Did he do all this from memory?? Wow what a lecture… really well done
Great lecturer is Stephen. He gives an unbiased view in all of his lectures, in my opinion.
Great listen 👍.
explicit lecture, beautifuly crafted words. thanks
Excellent lecture. Thanks for posting.
This is an excellent and superbly informative lecture. He is very engaging.
The only thing I would say is that Sadat's intention was not to destroy Israel; his intention was to hold a position in Sinai so that he could use this as leverage in political negotiations with the objective of reclaiming Sinai.
Syria, on the other hand, were seeking to properly invade Israel with the ultimate objective of occupying it.
Thank you for a very educating lecture on a topic, which is unfortunatly still of large international importance today: the Middle East conflict.
A little known fact besides the US only ONE other country assisted ISRAEL. And country was Singapore. WE assisted ISRAEL
We paid back what we owed our MEXICAN Consultants.
Excellent account of a very complex war ,its complex results in an ever ending complex part of the world. I've seen no better,or even equal account. Toda, and Shalom from Ireland. 🇮🇪🇮🇱
Thank you .....most informative
Thank you for posting this
True Analysis.
Really appreciable.
Very very interesting lessons
Very interesting talk. Thanks for sharing.
Great orator.
Thank you Sir! I love Israel!
Intelligent lecture. thx
A wonderful lecture from an "old warrior." By this I mean his quotes, by way of example, Trotsky --"War changes everything." So does assassination. Nothing changed politics, and international relations as much as the assassination of Rabin. With the introduction of advisor Finkelstein and his Finkel-speak, to Netanyahu, the fate of the world, and of democracy itself, to this day was sealed. It changed the social landscape of Israel for decades toward an Orthodoxy which bolstered Likud and by misunderstandings that never clarified, to the new anti-Semitism harbored in DBS and what is seen by those myopic as the "curse" of Zion.
All these politicians & propagandists must learn the history, and not to repeat it. The history came from the thousands of years ago. Don't repeat it. Focus on friendship, develop the economy, science and technology. Teach love, coexistence and kindness, not hatred, heroism and envy.
Just watched this thought it was very very good.
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Jehovah protects and guides.
Sure zelizabeth. And man proposes and Allah disposes inch Allah.
How about listeniningvto the lecture again and see if you can get a more meaningful takeaway.
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: That was a very nice lecture, except one thing
. To say that most of the Israelis saw Begin as a terrorist is just not true. The Mapai party wanted to describe him like that, sure, for politic reasons, but the people didn't.
Exactly, Nearly all is precise except this false remark. And he forgot the heavy responsibility of Dayan and Elazar.
Well he Was a terrorist in the days of the British Mandate. Along with a helleva lot of other Israelis. But they won and hence thereafter are reverently regarded as patriots. Which is as it should be.let me give you an wxample. Hsd the events of Jan 6 2021 been as portrayed by Pelosi the each "armed insurrectionist " would have been armed with an automatic wespon and a couple of grenades. There would have been zrPg teams.
And senatorial and representative elections would be being held in aboutv49 states along with new presidential elections.
The armed insurrectionists would nlbe hsiked as patriots and the sons of George Washington by most of the media the remainder ofvthe media having suffered fatal gunshot wounds.
BUT they weren't armed . Or insurrectionists. Just a bunch of poor dumb people wanting to b e heard . Unfortunstely they weren't and are now being hunted like rsts treated like vermin subjected to various civil rights violations and constitutional delrivstions and vilified in the media as white supremacy neo nazi scum.
The winners write the histories.
He is really a great lecturer. Arab suffered humiliation defeats indeed and is a miracle from God if you believed or not.
I have learned that all Muslims believed that the prophet Muhamed ascended to heaven from Jerusalem.
My question is do Arabs and Muslims believe that King David and King Solomon built Jerusalem 10 thousand years back before Christ and after Christ Jerusalem was a holy city for Jews and Christians?
Why Turkey is quiet in the history of the Israeli-Arab conflict?
They don't say anything and they were those who built the Musque on King Solomon's Temple just like what happened in Spain when Muslims conquered Spain for 4 hundred years and Changed the name to Indolos, turned churches into mosques before they were pushed out, and move to current Morroco and North Africa.
From what I know war is not over
I like so much
Long live Israel
With love from Iranian ex-muslim
Long live Israel God bless Israel
So nice .Love you all.Israel Jews.All Good people.
The war date wasn't just because Yum Kippur, but also because of the favorable tide and weather in the Suez Canal.
In Egypt, it's called the 'War of October'. There is even an 'October Bridge' built for its honour in Cairo. War of Ramadan isn't as common.
Why is he mentioning only the Israeli deaths in the beginning and not the Egyptian deaths too, which were much more than the Israelis?
Probably because proportionately the Egyptian lossescwere lower and becsuse he is after all Jewish and therefore somewhat less sympathetic to the losses of a nation that jumped his and had it won annihilated his people as had been promised many times over the previous decades.
Just guessing of course. It could be for other reasons altogether. If zi were a progressive liberal I'd have been shouting racist at his trivilization of Arab lives.
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But thats probably wrong to assume...
Maybe he just wasn't taking time to be excruciatingly politically correct.
Quien sabe,?
I am an American. I am capable of learning from others mistakes.
There is a startling similarity between e n t he mistakes made by Israel between the 1967 and 1973 Wars and the 1st Gulf War and events to this day in America as China and Russia prepare for t he next round .
For Russia it is about the humiliation of the implosion of the USSR.
For China it is about the century of humiliation and the the more recent humiliation in the Taiwan Strait at the hands of a US carrier group.
The US politics and general public have a hubristic flaw.
That has been caused by over 200 years of safety on our continent. And for that matter overc80 years since any country dared attack it in a territorial possession.
The US learned no t hing from Gulf War I. Other observers learned a very great deal about how the US wages War. It is worth noting that since Gulf War 1 there has not been a conflict in the middle East thst the US zhas emerged a victor.
Moreover it is apparent to any thinking person that we have virtually no civilian defense systems that can fend off even a modest attack by a country with 300 nuclear missiles let alone hypersonic nuclear missiles.
The bomber leg of the triad is a sad joke. Only nuclear armed B52s already in the air would proceed to China . Or Russia. Only a small percentage of the missiles in fixed silos would launch. Therr would not be time.
Probably at least 100 million Americans would die in the initial strike.. many more practically the entire population in a Russian first strike.
Our ships and planes are lightly armed with slow obsolescent relatively light pay load missiles. The opponents especially China have developed an area denial chain of islands that are the modern day equivalent of what the zjspanese developed in the 1930s.
Between Russia and China they have aroundc4x the population of the US and China has been handed a gift by the West including most particularly the US of becoming the nation with the greatest industrial and manufacturing capability in the world.
The US calls its self great. But it can presently no longer make many of the things required for the survival of a modern nation in any quantity whether it is steel or penicillin or ventilators.
We are being torn to pieces by a corrupt and rapacious set of politicians aided by the media. Our government is no longer of by and for the people but rather of foreign interests financial oligarchs and multi national corporations by politicians corrupted by the money these entities shovel into their troughs and for the interests of almost anyone BUT the taxpayers working American.
It will not end well for my country zi fear and zi am saddened by that.
I take some consolation in the knowledge that the majority of the profiteers fools tools and traitors will not survive the downfall and destruction of this country at least not for long. Thirvfate is preordained by history. They are regarded as unreliable by the new dictatorial regime rounded up and shot.
The lecture was interesting informative non-partisan in did not eugulise anyone and any act, presented the facts as it should be presented. Only doubt for me is that he was a little too harsh on Golda
In 1974 Israel and Syria signed a tacit peace agreement. That too has held
If they signed an agreement, then it wasn't tacit.
@@KB4QAA The border has been basically quiet since then
Por favor en español
Israel came within a hairs width of losing The Yom Kippur War. THAT'S the lesson Israel should learn and always remember. Doesn't matter if Dayan was a terrorist or not. Or that Begin was a terrorist. The enormous failures of the Israeli Intel Agencies is a more appropriate topic for reform. Al in all, this is a very good lecture by Prof. Berk.
We're you in the fight
As clear eyed as it gets.
looking back then in 1973 war, the 3 heads of states, two with military background and one was not.
Anwar sadat of Egypt was colonel in army then field marshal.
Hafez al-Assad of Syria was L. General.
Golda Meir was politician without any military background.
Even Jordan king Hussein was M.General
One of the reasons the Arabs were dared to attack after 1967 just 6 years after , was because they seen Golda Meir as non-military politician and easily bullied.
As the attackers were calculated that She just one politician would not be able to handle sudden-strike as she just a civilian.
Looking at Ukrain war now in 2023 , same thing happened. Putin sees Zelenskyy as civilian actor ( his occupation before president).
conclusion: For small country such as Singapore ,surrounded by larger countries , head of state without military background is easily bullied by its neighboring larger countries per se.
The comment about bibi understanding that you cant antagonise washington is arguably out of date. Biden is pissed off, if trump gets in and the war doesnt end quickly he'll be pissed off. Netanyahu's absolutely bottled this on multiple levels
This idea that what is important is not reality but what people think happened, is utterly stupid. 1. The crossing cost Egypt's economy to collapse. The cost for it at the expense of its own wellbeing was ruinous. 2. The Americans are suffering this ideology today thinking a) they have money without end, (they actually have debts without end to pay for "friends." In other words small countries that will hate them even more once the Americans stop paying them, and strong countries the Americans stabbed in the back, particularly England and France.) and b) castrating the future generations with drugs and gender or racist (CRT) ideology. 3. the Biden administration thinks that the reality of inflation is not that big of a thing if the corrupt media continues to cover up for them as they did under Obama. In other words, like in Egypt, reality eventually hits you with reality and the lies are no longer going to protect you from who/what you are.
Mobilizing 600 thousands troops without any clue to IDF!!!
Dayan one eye seems to be blinded also.
Hema: It was clear in 73 that Dayan was past his prime. There are specific reports that he became non-functional for several days at the beginning of the war. He commented to aides about hearing the sound of guns when there was none (auditory hallucinations). He was somewhat catatonic and unable to make decisions.
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First of all it's very incorrect to say that the army of Israel was depending on Dayan only to take a decision or to realize that the Egyptian army is preparing to attack.
The Egyptian army had to mobilize 600000 troops and thousands of tanks and huge amounts of artillery,bridges for crossing the canal,Zodiacs,..etc...and this didn't happen in one day,but happened from only 200 metres distance from the IDF eyes and brilliant intelligence..so don't tell me that Dayan was crazy.
The Egyptian deadly weapon in this war was the arrogance of the IDF assuming that the Egyptian military was dead after the six days war and they don't have the courage or the capability to attack again which was very stupid from all the Israeli politicians and military leaders because if the studied the war of attrition between 67 &73 they must conclude that the Egyptians will attack them one day, but they were deceived by the easy victory in the six day war.
That's why Israel was very happy with Sadat peace offer and returned the total Egyptian land completely (which never happen before) as they studied the 73 war and knew that the Egyptians will never give up their land and Israel won't be able to accept severe and deadly casualties again.
@@hema4448 You fill my mouth with five (5) paragraphs that I never said. I stand by my previous statement. Dayan was indecisive and over the hill by 1973. There are reporting that he was hallucinating and almost non-functional for a couple days. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I didn't fill your mouth with anything, I am explaining to you that Dayan wasn't the only disaster.
Sorry to tell you things you don't like to know.
I enjoyed this Podcast, but I don't agree that Kissinger did Israel any favors. To me Kissinger has never been a friend of Israel or the US, Kissinger is a friend to himself first and foremost. I don't think it would have been wise for Israel to move on to Cairo and I think they knew that. As far as the 3rd Army, of course Israel would not allow people to starve, and I think they would have come to the conclusion to allow Egyptians to resupply food and water regardless of Kissinger. Kissinger was a legend in his own mind and made many errors not only in our relations ship with Israel, but also in China and we the Soviets. The other points you made were complete sound and I think history supports your positions.
I am an Indian Christian & I salute the State of Israel ! God's chosen race.
Believe me folks if the egyption didn't win the war in 1973 wouldn't be Peace agreement with israil for the last 50years. Thanks to ANWAR ALSADAT!
so you also believed the egyptians(arabs) won the war? sure you need to listen harder to the lecture. Well, by the way, there can't be a winner in any war.
Ahmed Elnewishy lol
@@TheGoodShepherd117 You are totally correct.
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Your dreams about Israel winning in 1973 are incorrect .
The Lesbian Golda convinced you with a bunch of lies.
Just read Judge Agranat report.
Israel should help Kurdistan to get independent they would support Israel against the muslims.
Clear facts and results on the ground:
1-Egypt won the war by achieving the overall objectives by forcing Israel to negotiating, and eventually won Sinai back
And never say that Israel gave back Sinai willingly, if so, then y try to take it in 1956 and 1967? And y Israel denied Sadat urge when he first took power, to withdraw behind the passages ? It has always been part of "great Israel from Nile to Euphrates"
2- Egyptian victory was obviously not a clear cut victory, hence acknowledging Israel as a nation, the idea of negotiating, and peace, and by the way Sadat paid the price for that peace.
3-USA put Soviets in their back pocket since day one, hence years after this war, Egypt leaves the Soviet camp and enters western camp
4- u want Sinai again, come and take it 😏
Absolutely true
I’ll say the US will always stand with the Jews😊
This professor was good speaker but most of the things he didn't include. Richard nickson lost the allied war in his hand . (India won and Pakistan lost 50% of land. In 1971 war) where Richard nickson was humiliated by India-Russia. So he helped Israel not bcz he loved Israelbut he helped bcz it would have 2 nd lost in his time period of presidency. Thank god israel won the war.
Keep in mind that Stephen Berk spoke without notes.
If Israel had lost the war then everything the US represented during the Cold War and it acknowledgment of the state of Israel and the United Nations, the Post war world order would have collapsed. The US had to step in and support the state of Israel.
Are u kidding?! Hehehe he said they lost 3000 soilder. Still lie u lost over 10 thousand soldiers and over 20 thousand injured plus all the equipments u had before the supplies u got it from USA.
"On the line for the United States"...crap!! Nixon said on the Monday 8 October, "if it flies....send it (to help Israel!)". Nixon DID help Israel and if he did hate American liberal Jews, based on this moron, I don't blame him!!