Eric is a friend of mine and I am trying to help Behrens set up dealers in the USA. I appreciate what you have said. I believe that a watchmaker is a watchmaker no matter where they are from. If you are designing your own watch then you are a watchmaker and that is that. I love Behrens and believe they are one of the most inventive watchmakers out there.
How does the process work exactly? Does Eric have product surplus to support dealer’s needs? Especially being the uniqueness of his watches… or are you thinking drop shipping arrangement’s? Thanks
Thanks for this interesting journey to Chinese watch making! I knew Behrens before your video but I'm glad that you're highlighting other parts of the world that are not (yet) respected for 'real' watchmaking!
Times are changing and I could not agree more. Like you said, Swiss brands have been making parts in China for a long time, and they're definitely learning from it. Even the GPHG gave the Challenge award to CIGA Design, a Chinese brand, a full year ago. Times are indeed changing and I for one am happy to see it.
Hello Marc, a pleasure to greet you again, the boy's reaction to knowing that it was made in China was funny. You are right with the analogy of cars, China has learned a lot thanks to the commissioning of important brands to manufacture their parts and/or assemble their watches, and the same by cloning famous models. These pieces that you show us today say a lot about the progress they are making in design and manufacturing, it is obvious that they are going for a more demanding market and it is known that they have the potential to achieve it step by step, I think it is only a matter of time. Thank you for this contribution and until next time Marc
Thanks for sharing your view on it and I think it's good to keep in mind that there are other and different options, but obviously we love our swiss industry! The best to you
Marc if you have the chance you should check out Qin Gan, a one man operation from Chongqing with very beautiful hand finishing and one model with a dragonfly automaton. Very inspiring stuff. As for Behrens, MSRP is just half of the conversation. These watches will be extremely hard to service in the future
So far added Apolar and Rotor to my collection. I am looking forward what the brand can offer next ❤. Perigee is a must buy if you are into independent brands.
@@watchestv-com yeah, it is nice to see you as a "Swiss watch guy" bring attention to something else. I plad to add a German made watch to my collection next...
A genuine review on 'certain' Chinese watch brands. I can say there are only a couple. Yes, the Chinese is the king of replicas. In this case, Behrens actually proving the world wrong about Chinese watches. High horology can be attainable at a fair price.
Interesting designs and lets face it, China deserves a fair stab at succeeding after being the manufacturer of parts and copies for so long! I wish Behrens well in their aspirations🙏
Great watches! I have a Navigraph and it’s mighty impressive. I also had people coming up to me at Geneva Watch Days asking what it was and to try it on. The Ultralight 20G and 11G models are next level and absolutely superb. Behrens is on an exciting path.
I love their designs, and movement structures, I also feel that with a bit more focus on finishing (higher-end finishing of the movement parts that are being displayed on the dial side, maybe selective black polishing on certain visible parts), revisiting some of the fonts and their alignment, maybe having curved straps so there is no gap between the case and the strap, they could make some their models a way more attractive. I have an Orion and looking to add the Constellar soon. I am super excited about the brand and Eric is an amazing guy!
On behalf of the brand, thank you Marc and WatchesTV team for your wonderful and well said review. Thank you. For those who don't know much about 𝐁𝐄𝐇𝐑𝐄𝐍𝐒, we have been in market for quite some time and we are all passionate to watchmaking, and simply wanted to create something of our own. Though the world is facing lots of issues, yet shouldn't stop anyone with passion in watchmaking. That is, shouldn't be limited by geographical boundaries. We will continue developing both our brand and our timepieces in the future. Thank you for your support. Also thanks to all the comments here, though some still rather race concern or a bit political, that's fine. As long as there is support, it's good for us and we will simply continue working on new projects for future to impress watch lovers.
Observation: The Behrens website tells very little; whitch tells me alot. They are newbies founded by young newbies. The "about us" is 2 long-worded sentence/ pragraphs that are intentionally nebulous. Craftsmanship is not important in that. Basically I would expect cool looking whimsical gumball-machine- esque but no dress watches or high horology. With most models at $10k they don't justify why. Seems all componets are outsourced but from where? Swiss made or N. India?
Right now, Behrens is much more focused on watchmaking itself and also focused on B2B. They try to get more exposure with dealers and watch press, instead of hiring a marketeer to make nice websites with a brilliant "story" in the about us section. At some point, they need to invest in marketing and a "beautiful" story , as it has no "heritage story", I do agree .. but your comment is just unfair to newer brands that focus more on watchmaking itself than the whole business segment of it. The fact they are present at international watch fairs tells you volumes. It's much more interactive than a website with nice marketing script. People can ask question and have hands-on experience. Just because you can't be present there at those watch conventions and you dislike the website, doesn't mean they are less legitimate than other brands.
I've only recently gotten into looking at Chinese made watches, to be honest. Until now, I've been buying the odd Swiss & Japanese timepieces. I sent for an Agelocer tourbillon & im totally thrilled with it & i think I'll be looking even closer at other micro brands coming out of China. I mean, who would turn their nose up at a Ming vase? I would never be able to consider ownership of something as beautiful as a tourbillon if it wasn't for the efforts of the Chinese.
Very interesting to see these designs and to find out they are China made.....will have to see if widely adopted....Agree is swiss equivalent at least double...However for a brand not yet established difficult to hit the buy at these prices.
I think a big difference is design language is often built over generations. And that lineage is important. Their watches feel disjointed and don’t call back to anything. Like CW was, though I think they’re finding a groove. Perhaps their clear engineering prowess will combine with consistent design as they move forward.
1) Kia didn't name their brand Behrens. 2) Will Behren's allow a tour of their work facility? 3) Let's see Behren's worker conditions and home life? (I'm snacking on "Emmi Roth" gruyer coincidendally)
When Chinese brands name themselves in a Chinese romanized name, people complain they can't pronounce the name and they need to invest in a better english name lol. When brands names themselves in a proper English name, people complain it's too vague and it's not the name of the watchmakers lol. I'm sure you can visit Behrens in HK, they are a small atelier. You also think it's made by 15yo kids in a sweat shop? lmao. Your vision of the Far East is so outdated . It's sad people still focus on prejudices while the whole message of the video is to get rid of those prejudices and observe the evolution of watchmaking in the Far East in a more open manner.
there is no doubt that chinese watches are the most sold in the world, in fact of chinese population....brands like seagull or atelier Wen are well known.....i mix my watch collection independet from watch patriotism,,,,be good
I buy from companies based in countries whose values I support. Where I have a choice, I buy products made in countries whose values I support. (Don’t even bother replying if you don’t agree.)
Did you add the "when I have a choice" qualifier to get ahead of the eventual comments pointing out how 90% of the things you use on a daily basis are likely made in China, or do you think they don't commit human rights violations in the name of late stage capitalism as long as you only "buy products made in countries who's values you support" when it's convenient for you to make the choice? You don't really get to slander a company for being made in a country with controversies if you buy things from that country otherwise just because it's not convenient for you not to do so. Either make the effort and commit to avoiding products or miss me with that hypocrisy.
@@richardnedbalek1968 Pointing out my autocorrect mistakes doesn't make the substance of your argument any stronger, but whatever you need to tell yourself. Plenty of things are made in countries with issues. Doesn't make a company fundamentally "bad" for existing and trying to grow within that country, much less an independent watchmaker of all things, but again, whatever you need.
Hey Dude that s no more Watches ... it looks like jewelry box watch , We want too see more Vintage Watches and simple Stuff !!! ( pluss price so Ridiculous ) Today market watches is not more for Passionate peoples just for Rich one . Now i know why Watches market go down ..
Not buying Chinese designed and manufactured watches is only going to hurt the citizens. The politicians don't make watches. All they make are stupid rules that make it hard for the populace.
@@watchhunter Change can and does occur in a democratic society, however, in a regime like the current Chinese government, I doubt whether a few isolated uprisings will have much effect on wrenching power from the elite. Change is more likely to occur from global influences and leaders. It's really a sad state of affairs, as I think the Chinese people are, by and large, a fine race with a rich cultural background.
@@Laz_Arus Big chances always came from discontent of the people. Sanctions etc. don't work. See North Korea, Iran and so on. The people have to see how nice it is in other counties and strive for that.
Great, you should travel to Mars, coz everything around you is related to "made in China". Oh, wait, you can`t leave the earth coz the spaceship is also built by mighty Chinese? go suck it!
Hi everyone, would anyone know professional third-party manufacturers in China? Also, does anyone know how these miniature mars, earth figurines are made, and who can reproduce these in chia to be placed in a watch?
Chuna has made many Amazing watches. If you look at many of the Invicta and Aragon watches made in china with tourbillon's, ETA's, Val 7750 ,r150's Miyoda 5100's just to name a few of their amazing movements. China's quality is outstanding. Where Seiko and many others have not kept up with the quality exhibiting way to many nonconformance should they have an Iso System.. Great video and always thanks for sharing.
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Eric is a friend of mine and I am trying to help Behrens set up dealers in the USA. I appreciate what you have said. I believe that a watchmaker is a watchmaker no matter where they are from. If you are designing your own watch then you are a watchmaker and that is that. I love Behrens and believe they are one of the most inventive watchmakers out there.
How does the process work exactly? Does Eric have product surplus to support dealer’s needs? Especially being the uniqueness of his watches… or are you thinking drop shipping arrangement’s?
Thanks
Thanks for this interesting journey to Chinese watch making! I knew Behrens before your video but I'm glad that you're highlighting other parts of the world that are not (yet) respected for 'real' watchmaking!
Glad you enjoyed it! And yes there are interesting endeavours worth being noted. Best to you
Much appreciate you comments. Thanks for your support. Thanks
Loved the introduction of Lisa and Julia 😉
Many thanks!
Times are changing and I could not agree more. Like you said, Swiss brands have been making parts in China for a long time, and they're definitely learning from it. Even the GPHG gave the Challenge award to CIGA Design, a Chinese brand, a full year ago. Times are indeed changing and I for one am happy to see it.
And it also means that people/brands need to keep their eyes opened and not stay satisfied with the situation they're currently in. Best to you
Are the most important parts mainly made in CH? Got watches long time ago from India and I do not believe, important parts are made in India.
Skeltonized chain driven watches are some of my favorites. Genus, Zenith.
Not that many examples of this out there for sure. Thanks
That last watch has a very unique display! Looking forward to what else comes from this brand.
They seem to be really creative, so wouldn't be surprised to be surprised ;) Best to you
Hello Marc, a pleasure to greet you again, the boy's reaction to knowing that it was made in China was funny. You are right with the analogy of cars, China has learned a lot thanks to the commissioning of important brands to manufacture their parts and/or assemble their watches, and the same by cloning famous models. These pieces that you show us today say a lot about the progress they are making in design and manufacturing, it is obvious that they are going for a more demanding market and it is known that they have the potential to achieve it step by step, I think it is only a matter of time. Thank you for this contribution and until next time Marc
Thanks for sharing your view on it and I think it's good to keep in mind that there are other and different options, but obviously we love our swiss industry! The best to you
Marc if you have the chance you should check out Qin Gan, a one man operation from Chongqing with very beautiful hand finishing and one model with a dragonfly automaton. Very inspiring stuff.
As for Behrens, MSRP is just half of the conversation. These watches will be extremely hard to service in the future
Thanks a lot for the heads up, we'll be looking for this! The very best to you
Thanks for the information never heard of this brand 🙏
Thanks and always interesting to see/show different things! Best to you
Great follow-up of this brand cool , interesting design and the price is not crazy, Cheers
Thank you.
So far added Apolar and Rotor to my collection. I am looking forward what the brand can offer next ❤. Perigee is a must buy if you are into independent brands.
Very cool. I love the idea of been open to other watches then swiss made ones.
Even though i love Swiss watches.
Us too ;) but always interesting to see other options and endeavours!
@@watchestv-com yeah, it is nice to see you as a "Swiss watch guy" bring attention to something else. I plad to add a German made watch to my collection next...
They should habe aligned the second screw on the right 5:50
They all look really cool. 😮 I especially like the one with the aventurine dial, as it looks like stars behind the moon for the moon phase. ✨
We understand, it's indeed quite a successful design.
A genuine review on 'certain' Chinese watch brands. I can say there are only a couple. Yes, the Chinese is the king of replicas. In this case, Behrens actually proving the world wrong about Chinese watches. High horology can be attainable at a fair price.
Interesting designs and lets face it, China deserves a fair stab at succeeding after being the manufacturer of parts and copies for so long! I wish Behrens well in their aspirations🙏
Very nice of you, thanks for expressing it!
Thank you and much appreciated.
Great watches! I have a Navigraph and it’s mighty impressive. I also had people coming up to me at Geneva Watch Days asking what it was and to try it on.
The Ultralight 20G and 11G models are next level and absolutely superb. Behrens is on an exciting path.
Behrens offers good bang-for-buck for those wanting a unique watch for a more reasonable price
I think its great. I am interested in watches and not where they are made. Thanks for letting us know about this brand. I havent heard of it before.
That's a good way of looking at it! Thanks and best to you
@@watchestv-com It shows the capabilities of a nation and theire pple. Not many countrys making things that are in high demand elsewhere.
Very interesting. The gap with Swiss watches is narrowing. We'll see some good ones, it's just the beginning
Marc you have some awesome glasses, viva eyeware 😎
Thanks a lot, really like them too ;)
I am an avid watch collector and Behrens is a force to reckon with especially if they would improve in their polishing.
I love their designs, and movement structures, I also feel that with a bit more focus on finishing (higher-end finishing of the movement parts that are being displayed on the dial side, maybe selective black polishing on certain visible parts), revisiting some of the fonts and their alignment, maybe having curved straps so there is no gap between the case and the strap, they could make some their models a way more attractive. I have an Orion and looking to add the Constellar soon. I am super excited about the brand and Eric is an amazing guy!
On behalf of the brand, thank you Marc and WatchesTV team for your wonderful and well said review. Thank you.
For those who don't know much about 𝐁𝐄𝐇𝐑𝐄𝐍𝐒, we have been in market for quite some time and we are all passionate to watchmaking, and simply wanted to create something of our own. Though the world is facing lots of issues, yet shouldn't stop anyone with passion in watchmaking. That is, shouldn't be limited by geographical boundaries. We will continue developing both our brand and our timepieces in the future. Thank you for your support.
Also thanks to all the comments here, though some still rather race concern or a bit political, that's fine. As long as there is support, it's good for us and we will simply continue working on new projects for future to impress watch lovers.
Thanks for sharing this with all of us! Best to you
Refreshing to see
Hello Marc what is your opinion about homage watches? Thanks for the video.
Peace.
Reminds me of Seven Friday. The yellow.
A Nice and reliable wach like this should be taken seriously! Congratulations for the vídeo!
Observation:
The Behrens website tells very little; whitch tells me alot. They are newbies founded by young newbies. The "about us" is 2 long-worded sentence/ pragraphs that are intentionally nebulous. Craftsmanship is not important in that.
Basically I would expect cool looking whimsical gumball-machine- esque but no dress watches or high horology. With most models at $10k they don't justify why.
Seems all componets are outsourced but from where? Swiss made or N. India?
Right now, Behrens is much more focused on watchmaking itself and also focused on B2B. They try to get more exposure with dealers and watch press, instead of hiring a marketeer to make nice websites with a brilliant "story" in the about us section. At some point, they need to invest in marketing and a "beautiful" story , as it has no "heritage story", I do agree .. but your comment is just unfair to newer brands that focus more on watchmaking itself than the whole business segment of it.
The fact they are present at international watch fairs tells you volumes. It's much more interactive than a website with nice marketing script. People can ask question and have hands-on experience. Just because you can't be present there at those watch conventions and you dislike the website, doesn't mean they are less legitimate than other brands.
Waiting for next video.sir
Love it
Thank you
I've only recently gotten into looking at Chinese made watches, to be honest. Until now, I've been buying the odd Swiss & Japanese timepieces. I sent for an Agelocer tourbillon & im totally thrilled with it & i think I'll be looking even closer at other micro brands coming out of China. I mean, who would turn their nose up at a Ming vase? I would never be able to consider ownership of something as beautiful as a tourbillon if it wasn't for the efforts of the Chinese.
Hi Marc,I actually know someone who refuses to believe the high-end Swiss watches use Chinese parts !!!
Well it’s a reality and from other Asian countries too though applies much less for the really high-end segment. Best to you
But can’t buy online?!!!!
That's a good point
online store is available.
I thought it was a HK brand. I've handled them at local shops, really well-made.
hk = china
okay HongKong China you happy now lol
Very interesting to see these designs and to find out they are China made.....will have to see if widely adopted....Agree is swiss equivalent at least double...However for a brand not yet established difficult to hit the buy at these prices.
👍👍👍😎
I have always found the economic adjustments R never regulated!! tools are there 4 reason!
I like it already. And you haven't started talking yey.
All this is nice. But how is the quality? HAs anyone owned one for 10 years?
This is cool, another step towards Chinese domimance of the world 👍🏻
Watch out Switzerland is all I can say
I think a big difference is design language is often built over generations. And that lineage is important. Their watches feel disjointed and don’t call back to anything. Like CW was, though I think they’re finding a groove. Perhaps their clear engineering prowess will combine with consistent design as they move forward.
In China its called a factory not churches.
Hahaha, good one ;)
I personally don’t mind if they come from China, most of our stuff nowadays comes from there anyways.
That's indeed quite true!
You talk like it's a dog bowl purchase.
Most of us wants lab jackets an eye loupes Bergeon catalogue tools.
I love how they stick to their traditional chinese name branding😒
1) Kia didn't name their brand Behrens.
2) Will Behren's allow a tour of their work facility?
3) Let's see Behren's worker conditions and home life?
(I'm snacking on "Emmi Roth" gruyer coincidendally)
In Behrens the average salary is around 3000 usd, how does this sound to you?
When Chinese brands name themselves in a Chinese romanized name, people complain they can't pronounce the name and they need to invest in a better english name lol. When brands names themselves in a proper English name, people complain it's too vague and it's not the name of the watchmakers lol.
I'm sure you can visit Behrens in HK, they are a small atelier. You also think it's made by 15yo kids in a sweat shop? lmao. Your vision of the Far East is so outdated . It's sad people still focus on prejudices while the whole message of the video is to get rid of those prejudices and observe the evolution of watchmaking in the Far East in a more open manner.
... give them a minute and they'll take an hour... ⌚
there is no doubt that chinese watches are the most sold in the world, in fact of chinese population....brands like seagull or atelier Wen are well known.....i mix my watch collection independet from watch patriotism,,,,be good
THE SYSTEM ZOMBIES WITH A MARS WATCH, "MOST OF THE ZOMBIES ARE TOO BRAIN DEAD TO EXIST, I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I buy from companies based in countries whose values I support.
Where I have a choice, I buy products made in countries whose values I support.
(Don’t even bother replying if you don’t agree.)
Did you add the "when I have a choice" qualifier to get ahead of the eventual comments pointing out how 90% of the things you use on a daily basis are likely made in China, or do you think they don't commit human rights violations in the name of late stage capitalism as long as you only "buy products made in countries who's values you support" when it's convenient for you to make the choice?
You don't really get to slander a company for being made in a country with controversies if you buy things from that country otherwise just because it's not convenient for you not to do so. Either make the effort and commit to avoiding products or miss me with that hypocrisy.
@@Q-bal I am satisfied with my standards, which include using “whose” instead of “who’s.” 😉
@@richardnedbalek1968 Pointing out my autocorrect mistakes doesn't make the substance of your argument any stronger, but whatever you need to tell yourself. Plenty of things are made in countries with issues. Doesn't make a company fundamentally "bad" for existing and trying to grow within that country, much less an independent watchmaker of all things, but again, whatever you need.
Hey Dude that s no more Watches ... it looks like jewelry box watch , We want too see more Vintage Watches and simple Stuff !!! ( pluss price so Ridiculous ) Today market watches is not more for Passionate peoples just for Rich one . Now i know why Watches market go down ..
If I have the choice I always go for the non-chinese product. Purely for political reasons.
Not buying Chinese designed and manufactured watches is only going to hurt the citizens. The politicians don't make watches. All they make are stupid rules that make it hard for the populace.
@@Laz_Arus The change has to come from the citizens.That will unfortunately only happen when they suffer.
@@watchhunter Change can and does occur in a democratic society, however, in a regime like the current Chinese government, I doubt whether a few isolated uprisings will have much effect on wrenching power from the elite. Change is more likely to occur from global influences and leaders. It's really a sad state of affairs, as I think the Chinese people are, by and large, a fine race with a rich cultural background.
@@Laz_Arus Big chances always came from discontent of the people. Sanctions etc. don't work. See North Korea, Iran and so on. The people have to see how nice it is in other counties and strive for that.
Great, you should travel to Mars, coz everything around you is related to "made in China". Oh, wait, you can`t leave the earth coz the spaceship is also built by mighty Chinese? go suck it!
No China 🇨🇳
Hi everyone, would anyone know professional third-party manufacturers in China? Also, does anyone know how these miniature mars, earth figurines are made, and who can reproduce these in chia to be placed in a watch?
Chuna has made many Amazing watches. If you look at many of the Invicta and Aragon watches made in china with tourbillon's, ETA's, Val 7750 ,r150's Miyoda 5100's just to name a few of their amazing movements. China's quality is outstanding. Where Seiko and many others have not kept up with the quality exhibiting way to many nonconformance should they have an Iso System.. Great video and always thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the comment and sharing your opinion. The best to you