PLANE TALK - Going Against the Grain, Lie-Nielsen Bevel Up Supplemental. June 4th 2017
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- In this edition of Plane Talk... I wanted to continue the topic of reducing tear out. This time with Bevel Up planes such as my Lie-Nielsen 62 and 60-1/2 Block Plane.
NOTE:
Lower degree bevel = Potentially More Tear Out.
Higher degree bevel = Much Less Tear Out possibly ZERO.
If you want HOCK replacement blades for your L-N 62 or L-N 60-1/2 please contact me I had a bunch made in order to share with you.
I hope you found something helpful or at least entertaining.
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Thanks for watching and the privilege of your time.
I cancelled my order on low angle jack plane last night. Because of your video, I just ordered it.
Thanks.
Looks like my LN 62 has even more potential than I realised!
Thanks for a great educational video!
Yes it has lots of potential.
Very nice. Well done, thank you.
Thanks for watching.
He has lots of good advice for people wanting to learn
Walter, thanks for this video! I have a veritas low angle like the 62. Thanks for showing me the difference between the blades. The thing that caught my attention was your work bench, I have one exactly like it that I built back in 2000. Pretty awesome!
I was waiting for a full video on the 62. I've had my eyes on it for awhile. Thank you! Always learn new things on this channel
The L-N 62 is a very versatile plane, this is just the aspect of dealing with nasty grain and tear out. When you get one contact me, you will want one of the HOCK Irons for it as well.
@@DustySplinters I'd have to go into hock to buy those kinds of tools.
Thank you for the video. Now I have to buy a higher angle blade for my Veritas low angle Jack plane.
Hi Walter- the LN 62 is my go to plane. I have a full assortment of different angles for different woods. My Hocks are at 30 degrees and I have a bunch of LN blades from 35 to 45 degrees. I had to order some extras because I forgot my spare blades upstate NY and couldn't get there for a few months due to the house being snowed in. Sometimes screw ups are a good thing.
Btw, thanks for the Hock blades for the bevel ups. Great idea and great service.
Thanks for watching and the blade purchase... you are most welcome!
Where do yo get these hock blades for the 62?
Good demo, enjoyed that.
A lot easier to just stick with the Stanley and adjust the cap iron rather than changing blades, messing with the mouth, etc. Leave the bevel up on the shooting board where it belongs.
How do you do that? I’ve been practicing for months. I’ve watched dozens of videos. How to sharpen. How to set up the chip breaker. Set the opening of the mouth. I just can’t get anywhere near the results I see you guys achieve.
Thanks for writing.
Where do you live?
What model planes do you have?
Great video. Very helpful. Given the benefit of having the feature for closing the mouth, would you choose the LN rabbeting block plane instead of the regular one (the one in the video)?
I have held and tried the L-N Rabeting Block and while I can see the use and benefit. I cannot get used to the cutter being exposed on one corner.
The potential for injury to myself and damage to the cutter perplexes me so I have avoided them.
Nice explanation, thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Great video, very helpful. Thank you Walter. I love my LN62, and Hock blades as well. A quick naive question if I may: you say that you hone the original LN blade to a high 48-degree bevel. Is that just a primary bevel at 48 degrees, or do you mean that you hone a 48-degree secondary bevel onto the usual 25-degree primary?
Thanks for writing.
You can start by doing what you call a secondary bevel at a higher angle of your choice.
Over time it will become the primary, but it will take years of honing.
@@DustySplinters Thanks for the prompt reply. That makes good sense.
You demonstrate that a bailey pattern plane can handle the tear out on your wood, yet you recommend a more complex solution that can easily be several times more expensive?
It is about options depending on what someone has on hand. If they only have a no 62, then there is that option... If they have #4, #5, #6 Bailey Pattern planes, then there are other options but... it take careful set up.
Unable to find the video of you altering a chip breaker
Thanks Walter.
excellent
So the 62 is as good as my $40 Bailey number 5?
This was informative but confusing. I have both a 60.5 and a 62. Never used the 62 as they said it was best suited for difficult grain and it didn’t work very well.
So what changes did you make to the LN blades for both?
What mods do we need for the hock blades?
in brief...
You have to hone it to a higher angle ie: 37.5deg (essentially 38) or even slightly higher.
You want to aim for an effective cutting angle of 50, 55 or even 60 for really cranky woods.
The bevel does not have to be huge to test it out.
This is also why I have the HOCK O-1 tool steel blades honed to a pure 25deg for all of the low angle work.
Hope this helps.
I'm thinking of buying three planes.
No. 60-1/2 Rabbet Block Plane, No. 4 Smooth Plane, and No.5 Jack Plane or Low angle Jack Plane.
So, if you have a No. 60-1/2 Rabbit Block Plane and No. 4 Smooth Plane, which Jack Plane would you like?
Good choice on both a jack and a smoother.
Try and make sure they use the same blades, ie: Basic Stanley.
Why" Then you can have multiple blades sharpened different way which will fit them both instantly.
As to the rabbit 60-1/2... i do not like them at all except for when you need a wide rabbit plane.
When I spent time at the Lie-Nielsen events and even up at their showroom, I could not get used to that razor sharp corner sticking out on both side.
I nicked myself just once to realize I'd be slicing my hands open all the time.
As for me I stick with the regular low angle block plane.
hi, most woodworkers recommend 25 degree primary and 30 degree secondary. can we do secondary more than 30 degree for quick sharpening ?
Thanks for writing.
The answer is "It Depends" on so many factors.
What are you planing, with which plane?
Bevel up or down, Chip Breaker or not?
I don't worry about angles so much as I do the final edge and is it cutting to task.
For some woods, like clear soft pine, I can stay real low angle.
Others I raise the bevel bit more and one even really cranky woods I try and get the effective cutting angel higher, more like 50 / 55/ or even 60 deg.
Hope this helps.
Thank you for your reply. I have Clifton 4-1/2 and 5-1/2 bench planes but still find it hard to get smooth surface without tear on some difficult grain. I'm thinking of Quangshen low angle plane no.62,. will it help ?
@@DustySplinters
@@teosinghsyiem9426 You have the gest plane with the 4-1/2. Hone as usual but bring the chip breaker closer to the cutting edge.
I have some videos on chip breakers and planing against the grain.
If you have a sharp edge and the chip breaker is set tight, you can almost plane against the grain.
Another option is adding a back bevel, but I would say no to a Quangshen 62 unless you are in the UK and can get it from Workshop Heaven Ltd.
Lie Nielsen are way too expensive compared to the EQUALLY good Veritas planes.. In fact the LN LA JACK IS 175 USD MORE than the Veritas .
We all have different situations, I never liked the Veritas line of tools even though I have used many of them.
The Lie-Nielsen 62 is perhaps the finest tool they ever made and all that hand craftsmanship does cost.
I don't have many L-N tools bot the 62 & 60-1/2 are very useful to me.
Thanks for Watching!
The Veritas is more now. Not sure if it used to be less. $252 for Veritas, $245 for Lie Nielsen, both A2.
Agree with @gonebattybats . I’ve owned a stack of Veritas and still own Lie Nielsen planes. I’ve used them side by side. Lie Nielsen is definitely superior in quality, fit and finish.
You're not going to see any Lie-Nielsen tools in my box of tricks anytime too soon over here. That one plane cost about twice as much as all the planes I have now put together. I would not trade all of them for it either.
Definitely not necessary to own a new premium plane.. I got a good collection of flea market bought users. But I'm getting one of these anyways just for kicks. LOL!
Cool story, bro.
Hi, so did you just take a 25 degree beveled blade and hone your 48 degree angle onto it?
on the bevel up, yes. I keep the original A2 blade honed with a high angle.
Great, thanks
LN 62 vs 164?
Most definitively... The LN-62 !
And... get several Hock O-1 Irons for it so you can use the LN original for a higher angle and hone at least one Hock O-1 to a pure 25 deg with no secondary bevel.
Thanks for watching and writing.
Never miss an opportunity to keep your mouth closed
Funny?
He has lots of good advice for people wanting to learn
So the LN 62 is as good as my $40 Bailey number 5?
Brad, it is not that easy...
I can make any plane do exactly what I need it to do.
But some tools come along like the L-N 62 whch have great possibilities with the right Blades on hand.
For general purpose work... I still use my hand made woodies or my old Stanley while reserving the L-N 62 for special tasks.
Thanks for watching.