Hello, Thank you very much for this precise and informative video on how to determine the grain direction. This is the first video that clearly explains how to determine which grain is on top of next grain. I watched many other videos and none if them explained it as good as this video. I am very grateful to you for explaining grain direction which is very important to understand. I will always reference this video. I am now a subscriber and look forward to watching other videos from your channel. Thank you so much, AJ
You would not believe how many videos I had to watch before I finally got the answer I was looking for. Thank you so much for making this video. Now I can move on with my life
The most thorough and best explanation of wood grain direction I have ever seen ,Great job no wasting time or filler straight to the point and informative
Thank you. I think I did waffle on a bit, given that the video ended up being 25 minutes long. All in all though, it's been a very widely accepted video about grain direction.
As soon as you laid those three sheets of paper on top of each other I realized I was thinking of grain direction in 2-D and not 3-D. Haven't even finished the video yet, had to comment and say thank you.
The paper analogy really helped to explain this complex and difficult subject. Thank you so much for this. I think you should call yourself “The Grain Detective “ 🕵️
Hi, Thank you very much for the explanation and the demonstration. You made it more clear to me than any other woodworker that tried to explain that before you. Thank you and wish you all the health and the best in the world.
That bit about the pith and bark was gold! Learnt a while ago, by trial and error, to flip the board end over end when doing faces in the thicknesser. But I'd never known WHY that worked. Awesome video mate, please keep these coming!
Great video mate, very informative, never thought about using an old T-shirt/rag to find grain direction, always learning something looking forward to next instalment whatever that may be 👌👌👌👍👍👍
I generally use the t-shirt I am wearing at the time. It tears them to shreds, and you end up with the odd belly splinter, but it's right there ready to go :D
SURELY I am one of the non-technical viewers who doesn't belong here. But it's a well-done lesson anyway. In fact, you are such a good teacher that I actually understand this thing now.
You belong here too. It's a good lesson for other things also, most notably, shaving. If I shave from chin up to ear, I am shaving against the grain and I can actually feel my dull rusty razor pulling the hairs out of my face. If I shave from ear to chin, happy days. It makes me wonder why girls often shave their legs from foot to knee, instead of knee to foot. I've never shaved my legs, perhaps it is easier to do it this way?
Heh, I composed a reply but forgot to actually post it! So, shaving. It would be physically challenging to shave knee-to-foot. The angle that you hold the razor is wrong. I suppose I'd have to get a minion to do it for me while I reclined in the jacuzzi eating chocolates or sipping champagne or something =)
Brilliant video. I've watched quite a few trying to get a better understanding of reading grain. Very few have been as clear and helpful as this one, thank you! Also, I think this is the only one that says "crap your daks" which is also a bonus
Thanks Peter, I'm glad it helped. It's often a really lucky day when we crap our daks while working with timber. It's an unlucky day when we didn't have time to crap em!
Kuffy, That was excellent really informative with out being overly boring,or dragging a point, You have really polished up on these clips, I’m hanging out for the next one Absolutely Top Stuff 👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks Matt. This channel should be a good spot to put videos which probably wouldn't even be made through fear of having a negative affect on a channels view metrics. We'll see how it goes.
Awesome Kuffy, liking the concept of this channel. A lot of those tips I remember from various of your builds but having them logically and more fully explained in one video is a super reference. Cheers!
Yeah, I reckon this will be a good resource in time. It's a lot easier to explain a single detail over a few minutes or 25!, instead of just saying "ya gotta cut with the grain" and then start up the router 😂
great video!! liked the 'looking at the straw cut out on quatersawn boards. For ironbark i just run my hands up and down the piece of timber until i get a splinter. And then plane the opposite direction to that
@@kuffyswoodworktipsandtalk I struggled in the beginning with the lay of the cathedrals, but the sheets of paper demonstration sorted that out. Your Tassie Oak bit was quite relevant as I find it hard to read at times. I usually do a light plane and it is either smooth or rough and I make my call on grain direction from that 😐
Sometimes with quartersawn material, I take a swipe with a plane and it is pretty smooth and felt OK while planing. But when holding it up against the light, I can see that the surface is slightly dull. Can be a tricky beast to master, one day I'll get there
Excellent explanation, thank you! I bet you can teach us on grain direction in regards to strength and movement when the wood works due to moisture content. 😉😁👍💪
I could do a video on wood movement due to moisture changes. I can also make a video discussing the differences in compression and tensile strength between end grain, short grain and long grain. Thanks for the ideas.
@@kuffyswoodworktipsandtalk That would be fantastic! It's difficult to find good information on these topics, especially on strenght vs grain direction, as in which way is a piece of wood the strongest... Or which direction does wood move, a quarter sawn board vs a slab sawn (if i got the term right). Thanks!!
Very clear explanation i got everything down great. But the end with the humpy edge i didnt quite understood how you figured it had four segments with different directions of the grain. Can someone explain??
Let's see if I can do with text graphics. Say you have different lengths of paper and you stack the longest on the bottom, gradually building up with shorter and shorter sheets of paper. It would look something like this (I hope...) __________ _______________ ______________________ If you ran you fingernail from the top sheet down to the bottom sheets, in either direction, your finger will slide down nice and easily without "tearing out". However, if you start at the bottom and move up, you fingers will get stuck under the sheet above and tear it upwards. I hope this helps.
Cheers Bill. It's very important to cut with the grain. Having a work piece disintegrate in your hands because you were cutting against the grain is quite frightening the first few times it happens (yeah, it's happened to me many many times) 😂
Would the cathedral top be the direction the tree grew from top to bottom? Japanese wood workers try and orient their wood so the top of the tree is always pointing to the top like it grew. According to them it helps resist warpage, and increases strength. Saw a video on this at one point have not been able to find it again.
No. The cathedral patterns are a result of us sawing the boards. A single board can have the cathedral grain patterns pointing in both directions. It's because when we create straight boards, we are cutting a straight line between two points of a bulge in the tree.
@kuffyswoodworktipsandtalk Japanese wood workers claim more stability over time if you put boards in their natural orientation with the way they grew. When you change their direction is when you get twisting cupping and warpage. They do not dry wood like we do here in the states. I saw a video on this once but unfortunately can not find it anymore.
Thanks. Technically I am still making videos, I am just very very lazy. I have a backlog of videos which require editing, and I am slowly working through that.
Confusing. WHY to go against the grain cathedral direction on one side but with the grain andcathedral direction on the other side? Its not clear why? Doesnt make sense as going aginst the cathedral direction would tear it it seems
I don't think I can explain any better than I did in this video. My suggestion would be to test it yourself and plane a board with the cathedrals on both sides of the board. One side will plane cleanly, while the other side will tear out.
Hehe. Gloves are great, they add so much more grip which aids control, but technically they add a bit of risk to the work as well so I get in trouble when using them around rotary machinery 🤣
Hoooo, that was güüd. I thought I knew it all with that t shirt trick which you told me a couple of years ago. Of course they never tell you the full story.. #eyeroll this all might go a long way in explaining why my wife doesn't like me sometimes... I'm rubbing her in the wrong direction and getting my fingernails caught between her many layers #bigeyeroll
Best video on the subject by light years. There are guys with 500k plus subscribers that have no idea how to explain at all. Great job!
The guys with 500k subscribers explain things with much more excitement though. I'm too boring 🤣
Exactly.
@@kuffyswoodworktipsandtalk Boring and informative beats exciting and useless, in my book at least. Thanks!
Haha, thanks mate. 😊
What to reiterate that this is-by far-the most informative and understandable video on wood grain. Thank you and well done!!!
Thank you very much. 😊
Hello,
Thank you very much for this precise and informative video on how to determine the grain direction. This is the first video that clearly explains how to determine which grain is on top of next grain. I watched many other videos and none if them explained it as good as this video.
I am very grateful to you for explaining grain direction which is very important to understand. I will always reference this video. I am now a subscriber and look forward to watching other videos from your channel.
Thank you so much,
AJ
Thanks very much. I'm glad this video was a help for you.
This is the best explanation of all of this that I’ve seen. Great job!
Thank you very much 😊
You would not believe how many videos I had to watch before I finally got the answer I was looking for. Thank you so much for making this video. Now I can move on with my life
You're very welcome.
The most thorough and best explanation of wood grain direction I have ever seen ,Great job no wasting time or filler straight to the point and informative
Thank you. I think I did waffle on a bit, given that the video ended up being 25 minutes long. All in all though, it's been a very widely accepted video about grain direction.
Pith ---> With. So easy! Master Class in grain direction. Well done and thank you.
With the pith! Love it ❤️
Best description I've seen by far! Thank you!!
Glad to be of service! 🤣👍
As soon as you laid those three sheets of paper on top of each other I realized I was thinking of grain direction in 2-D and not 3-D.
Haven't even finished the video yet, had to comment and say thank you.
Yes! Three dimensional thinking! It's like blades of grass laying over in one direction. They each slightly overlap each other.
This might be the best explantion of grain direction I've seen! Thank you!
Thanks mate.
The paper analogy really helped to explain this complex and difficult subject. Thank you so much for this. I think you should call yourself “The Grain Detective “ 🕵️
The grain detective certainly wouldn't be the worst thing I've called myself 🤣
Finally, someone that could explain this with precision. Thank you for this find video! Columbus Michigan
You're very welcome. Thanks for watching 👀
Hi,
Thank you very much for the explanation and the demonstration.
You made it more clear to me than any other woodworker that tried to explain that before you.
Thank you and wish you all the health and the best in the world.
Thanks. I'm glad you found the video useful 👍
That bit about the pith and bark was gold! Learnt a while ago, by trial and error, to flip the board end over end when doing faces in the thicknesser. But I'd never known WHY that worked. Awesome video mate, please keep these coming!
I like the whys, they keep things interesting while also making the future much much easier.
Great video mate, very informative, never thought about using an old T-shirt/rag to find grain direction, always learning something looking forward to next instalment whatever that may be 👌👌👌👍👍👍
I generally use the t-shirt I am wearing at the time. It tears them to shreds, and you end up with the odd belly splinter, but it's right there ready to go :D
SURELY I am one of the non-technical viewers who doesn't belong here. But it's a well-done lesson anyway. In fact, you are such a good teacher that I actually understand this thing now.
You belong here too. It's a good lesson for other things also, most notably, shaving. If I shave from chin up to ear, I am shaving against the grain and I can actually feel my dull rusty razor pulling the hairs out of my face. If I shave from ear to chin, happy days. It makes me wonder why girls often shave their legs from foot to knee, instead of knee to foot. I've never shaved my legs, perhaps it is easier to do it this way?
Heh, I composed a reply but forgot to actually post it! So, shaving. It would be physically challenging to shave knee-to-foot. The angle that you hold the razor is wrong. I suppose I'd have to get a minion to do it for me while I reclined in the jacuzzi eating chocolates or sipping champagne or something =)
Lol. I'm quite sure there are places where you can recline in the jacuzzi while chomping down choccys as someone shaves your legs for you :D
Thanx for taking the time to make this video, one of the best grain examples I've watched so far !!!!
Thank you very much.
Extremely informative. Lots of important and useful info in this video. Thank you so much for this.
Thanks 😊
Brilliant video. I've watched quite a few trying to get a better understanding of reading grain. Very few have been as clear and helpful as this one, thank you!
Also, I think this is the only one that says "crap your daks" which is also a bonus
Thanks Peter, I'm glad it helped. It's often a really lucky day when we crap our daks while working with timber. It's an unlucky day when we didn't have time to crap em!
I wish I could give you a million likes.
Thank you
No worries. I'm just glad you found it helpful.
Best explanation I've seen, thank you.
Thanks very much. I'm glad it made sense 👍
Best explanation i've come across. Thank you for the video :)
Thanks mate, I'm glad it helped.
Kuffy,
That was excellent really informative with out being overly boring,or dragging a point,
You have really polished up on these clips,
I’m hanging out for the next one
Absolutely Top Stuff 👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks Matt. This channel should be a good spot to put videos which probably wouldn't even be made through fear of having a negative affect on a channels view metrics. We'll see how it goes.
Awesome Kuffy, liking the concept of this channel. A lot of those tips I remember from various of your builds but having them logically and more fully explained in one video is a super reference. Cheers!
Yeah, I reckon this will be a good resource in time. It's a lot easier to explain a single detail over a few minutes or 25!, instead of just saying "ya gotta cut with the grain" and then start up the router 😂
Good stuff, thanks Kuffy. All the best with your new channel. (Rob Tee sent me). Cheers, David
Thanks for coming along David
I am only 8 minutes in and you've answered a question I've had for years.
Awesome! I'm glad it was helpful
Best explanation I have ever seen/watched...Well done and thank you!
Thanks very much, thanks for watching 👍
Yes, totally very good explanation. Thank you
Thanks ☺
Very well explained! Thank you so much, helped a lot!!
Happy to be of help 👍
Very helpful video ! Thank you.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
great video!! liked the 'looking at the straw cut out on quatersawn boards. For ironbark i just run my hands up and down the piece of timber until i get a splinter. And then plane the opposite direction to that
Ouch, I'm not a fan of splinters. I tend to only get them in the webbing between thumb and index finger!
@@kuffyswoodworktipsandtalk damn. I only seem to get them in my right hand. Its to train my left hand to be more useful haha
Lol, my left hand is pretty useless too
Great video Kuffy thankyou. I learnt a lot and I recon you have a great way of explaining things.
Thanks mate. I'm glad it was understandable
@@kuffyswoodworktipsandtalk I struggled in the beginning with the lay of the cathedrals, but the sheets of paper demonstration sorted that out. Your Tassie Oak bit was quite relevant as I find it hard to read at times. I usually do a light plane and it is either smooth or rough and I make my call on grain direction from that 😐
Sometimes with quartersawn material, I take a swipe with a plane and it is pretty smooth and felt OK while planing. But when holding it up against the light, I can see that the surface is slightly dull. Can be a tricky beast to master, one day I'll get there
Excellent explanation, thank you!
I bet you can teach us on grain direction in regards to strength and movement when the wood works due to moisture content. 😉😁👍💪
I could do a video on wood movement due to moisture changes. I can also make a video discussing the differences in compression and tensile strength between end grain, short grain and long grain. Thanks for the ideas.
@@kuffyswoodworktipsandtalk
That would be fantastic! It's difficult to find good information on these topics, especially on strenght vs grain direction, as in which way is a piece of wood the strongest... Or which direction does wood move, a quarter sawn board vs a slab sawn (if i got the term right).
Thanks!!
I used to see the grain patterns as cave entrances... But cathedrals work too! 👌
I've never heard them described as cave entrances, I like it!
Very clear explanation i got everything down great. But the end with the humpy edge i didnt quite understood how you figured it had four segments with different directions of the grain. Can someone explain??
Let's see if I can do with text graphics. Say you have different lengths of paper and you stack the longest on the bottom, gradually building up with shorter and shorter sheets of paper.
It would look something like this (I hope...)
__________
_______________
______________________
If you ran you fingernail from the top sheet down to the bottom sheets, in either direction, your finger will slide down nice and easily without "tearing out".
However, if you start at the bottom and move up, you fingers will get stuck under the sheet above and tear it upwards.
I hope this helps.
@@kuffyswoodworktipsandtalk oh, that is just crystal clear. Thanks so much!!!
Nice explanation, I never knew that about the grain.
Cheers Bill. It's very important to cut with the grain. Having a work piece disintegrate in your hands because you were cutting against the grain is quite frightening the first few times it happens (yeah, it's happened to me many many times) 😂
Very informative… thanks mate!
Thanks 😊
You make perfect sense, thank you
Thanks!
Amazingly helpful!
I'm glad it was beneficial for you. Thanks
Great video, I learned a lot from this
Thank you very much!
Glad it was helpful!👍
Channel looks promising! Liked your video and subscribed
Thanks!
Would the cathedral top be the direction the tree grew from top to bottom? Japanese wood workers try and orient their wood so the top of the tree is always pointing to the top like it grew. According to them it helps resist warpage, and increases strength. Saw a video on this at one point have not been able to find it again.
No. The cathedral patterns are a result of us sawing the boards. A single board can have the cathedral grain patterns pointing in both directions. It's because when we create straight boards, we are cutting a straight line between two points of a bulge in the tree.
So how can you tell by looking at the board what would have been the top and what would have been the bottom.
@jamespierce3375 I'm not sure how. I've never needed to know which way the board grew.
@kuffyswoodworktipsandtalk Japanese wood workers claim more stability over time if you put boards in their natural orientation with the way they grew. When you change their direction is when you get twisting cupping and warpage. They do not dry wood like we do here in the states. I saw a video on this once but unfortunately can not find it anymore.
@@jamespierce3375 Thanks. I'll have a look for the video.
Absolutely excellent!
Thanks!
Good work, thank you very very much ❤
You're welcome 😊
Great video.
Thanks mate 👍
Thank you!!
No worries ☺️
Wow thanks so much!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
Why aren’t you making videos anymore? Very informative content.
Thanks. Technically I am still making videos, I am just very very lazy. I have a backlog of videos which require editing, and I am slowly working through that.
That’s great. Hope to see more videos soon!
Confusing. WHY to go against the grain cathedral direction on one side but with the grain andcathedral direction on the other side? Its not clear why? Doesnt make sense as going aginst the cathedral direction would tear it it seems
I don't think I can explain any better than I did in this video. My suggestion would be to test it yourself and plane a board with the cathedrals on both sides of the board. One side will plane cleanly, while the other side will tear out.
🌲🍀🐾🔨great, accurate information😉📐🐾🍀🌲.
Thanks 😊
About time you spelt it out to us! Next- how to use gloves effectively in a workshop.
😘🤣🤣
Hehe. Gloves are great, they add so much more grip which aids control, but technically they add a bit of risk to the work as well so I get in trouble when using them around rotary machinery 🤣
Jason Gullickson Absolute necessity when working with old reclaimed Aussie hardwood. Splinters like needles, ouch!!
I like the splinters that dig in deeply and then break off a mile under the skin. Those are my favourite...NOT!
@@DownUnderWoodWorks or crawling around the roof space... damn you oregan
Great lesson!!! Thank you so much! I like your videos a lot!!! Listen to Kuffy and you won't crap your daks!)
If you're ever gonna crap your daks, make sure to do it at the END of the work day.
Inside the box you follow the rules, outside the box you go against the rules.
Perfect 👌
Hoooo, that was güüd. I thought I knew it all with that t shirt trick which you told me a couple of years ago. Of course they never tell you the full story.. #eyeroll this all might go a long way in explaining why my wife doesn't like me sometimes... I'm rubbing her in the wrong direction and getting my fingernails caught between her many layers #bigeyeroll
Lol, maybe ask a friend to rub your wife properly to see if there is any difference in reaction :D
Nice... Sup mate! Subbed!
Hey hey! Thanks mate
Time to get some printed t-shirts and corporate uniforms 😆
LOL, the corporate uniform is hi-vis yellow shirt, any colour shorts and steel capped boots. Jocks and socks optional but recommended :D