Fan Zhendong played too predictably for a lot of the game. His short-stroke-close-to-the-table tactic was not consistent enough. Too many times he made errors on off-the-bounce shots. Liang very effectively used long serves to force backhand to backhand rallies, which Liang won most of. Fan Zhendong started making service changes and implementing powerful shots during rallies, and this earned him a couple of games. However, in the last two games, Fan Zhendong wasn't able to effectively control the short ball placement as Liang was on fire from the backhand side. He made so many backhand winners and effectively overpowered Fanzhendong. From a mental side, I think we can all agree we saw more fire in Liang's eyes. He was out there to win, and he was super focused. Throughout the match, I got the feeling that Fan was fending off Liang instead of attacking with the intention of winning. (Obviously, he wanted to win, but the desire to win seemed lesser.) I feel that we saw a similar situation in the WTTC 2019 where Liang accomplished a similar feat. He is determined to win and doesn't back down in big moments. When the big moments come, it almost feels like Fan Zhendong backs down. With the exception of WTTC 2017, when he played his heart out with Ma Long, I haven't seen him rise quite as high to the occasion. Maybe it's because he's generally so good that opponents don't force him to play those clutch situations, so he hasn't cultivated that level of mental toughness when matches end up becoming close. Anyway, the point isn't to take away from Liang's achievement, as he deserved this win every bit, but I think for someone with greatness like Fan, he needs to be able to step up more! I mean, this is the man we compare to Ma Long, and I believe he has the capacity to eventually surpass him. He's still young, so I definitely think we'll see more development as the years go by. This is just my opinion, and I'm pretty passionate in talking about these topics, so if you actually read this long comment, feel free to comment with your take, and we can have a conversation. :)
Alec Wong Music - Not taking any credits away from LJK, I just would like to share my observation. The temperature in the arena caused every competitor sweating heavily. Unlike any other competitors FZD was absolutely drenched. This may cause dehydration and affect his performance.
I think it's time that we should expect that new generation dynamic duo for China is here. Earlier it was ML and XX and now it's FZD and LJK. I always knew liang ha the potential to be where he is now, it was just a matter of time that he would improve accuracy in his final shots( which he did here BTW), and play a bit intelligently (I guess, FZD is slightly more experienced than Liang). Over the period of time, they both will get better and become complementary to each other much like Ying and Yang. I really see great potential for Chinese TT in both of them.
Best counterloop rally 6:22 Ankle breaker 8:26 WHAT ABOUT THE FOOTWORK 10:36 More counterlooping magic 12:38 What just happened 13:05 Hype level reaching maximum 15:39 - 17:49
This could have been the Olympic final. What a level. These backhand to backhand exchanges are lightning fast. According to me Fan's agressive playing style suits perfectly the style of Liang. Liang just loves that speed. The harder and faster you hit that plastic ball, the harder and faster it will come back. These two and Wang Chu Qin are my favorites for future world and Olympic titles.
LJK and FZD have better BH but they were forced to play more often FH or at least close to neutral by the coaches . I think it is forced on them because it is more suitable against foreigners to have slightly more aggressive forehand . LJK backhand was phenomenal in this match :)
Man. This is what happens when two of the most powerful beasts clash. Insane power generation. Fan had no answers at times.... He would have won against almost anyone with such shots but Liang always had some better answers... Just one word.. INSANE
First time I see Fan Zhendong being outpaced. He changed his style to being more passive at the end which was effective but not as effective as when Ma Long changes his style.
Liang Jingkun clearly has confidence against Fan, who he knows so well. Liang should play like this all the time! He moved better than before. No hesitating anymore. Fantastic performance showing what he is capable of.
What a legendary game, truly at a inhumanly high level. Fan Zhendong was really out of ideas what to do when he opted for his back hand serve, liangs mid game is strong
Incredible how the Chinese championships level are so much better than WTTC and Olympic Games in Table Tennis. The players of medium level of China Super League like Chenhao, Xue Fei, Liu Dingshuo, Zhao Zihao can easily beat everyone of the another countries of the world. The same and more easily even in women's.
Jingkun's power made FZD unable to optimize his placements. Also, i've never seen Jingkun's forehand quite so on fire. I also agree, Jingkun looked like he wanted this win really bad. Power attacking ping pong at its finest.
LJK has improved and he prepared well against FZD. Such is the talent and margin of difference at the top tier of CNT men's team. The gold medal can go to any of the four. Let's see if LJK can beat WCQ in the final.
LJK has stepping into another level. Ultra instinct awakening! Too bad for fzd. It seems ljk has better performance in this match. It’s sad to see my favourite players loss.☹️
After this match I expect Liang J. could win in the final. He's now in fire. However thanks a this match Liang can be very tired. The big power from both sides and a great speed from Liang. Fan Z. was powerless in too many rallies. 11:06- the serve at the highest level from FZ:)
Zenco Suzuki I agree but I think liang struggles with the relatively slower place of the rest of the world with his close to the table kill shot style and is dominant but not as dominant against them compared to ML,XX,FZD
@@HamasakiFanz Yes, I understand. However, I saw Yan An after match against Hou Yingchao and this time Yan An vs Wang Chuqin was only a shadow of himself/ maybe because of an injury , I don't know/. The similar situation about Xu Chenhao. They're athlete , but .....also only humans:)
I definitely agree with you. I think Wang Chuqin is a very smart, controlling, and tempo setting kind of player, and this will likely pose difficulty for Liang, who is very much a power, speed, and rally driven player. With that being said, if he can force a fast tempo with aggressive openings and long, fast serves, he might have a good chance :)
It is so damn difficult to keep yourself on top. While FZD is trying to save his crown, LJ has everything for taking. No doubt Liang played amazing but the real test is being consistent and perform in international tournaments when the stakes are very high. It would be very interesting to see how long (if and when) he keeps himself on top. Tough day for FZD but I'm sure he is only shaken and not broken.
winning and losing within the National team is normal, it happens sometimes unexpectedly. The real test is international matches with different types of players, Zhendong is Gold medal champion, so is XuXin, MaLong, but they also lost to their own team members. Team members help them improve
Ma long was defeated by wang hao because he was his senior and lost to zhang jike because of his mental game. Now same is happening to fzd first ma long and now liang jingkun is there who has better mental game than fzd Man I was wishing so hard for fan to win. This is a sad day
Just noticed LJK has red in FH and black in BH. That is the difference from all of his CNT mates. Is he doing that all the time? Let me check his earlier matches.
I think the reason fzd lost is because possibly he is back to gaming, as he looks dehydrated, i never saw him sweating this much his whole shirt is all wet. Something is not right here. I hope fzd can get back to his pre-quarantine form!
LJK have no fear to counterattack the powerful backhand of FZD, even with more power. This is due to he know FZD to much, he just needed no improve his forehand...since he did, he have become in the black beast of FZD.
Xu xin, FZD out, Ma Long withdraw ...core Olympic team did not live up to their hype. LJK n Wang Chuqin both reserve players in team event are finalists now. Cut throat competition this is
@@paullord3549 blue sponge is the hardest among any, orange is 2nd hardest. I used blue for 5 years and orange for 8 years, blue is harder and returns ball faster, less dewell time, stronger, other difference are subtile. But once I get used to the blue, I can't use the orange ever just feeling it s a bit too weak, easily return ball down to net somehow.
LJK likes power hitting, but has difficulty with varying speeds. If FZD had used more strategic speed and spin variability, the game may have tilted his way.
FZD,Lin Gauyang have the exact same problem.Only Ma Long and Xu Xin can produce slow loops and have a good pushing game. Young players are only good at countering fast shots close to the table.
Fan Zhendong played too predictably for a lot of the game. His short-stroke-close-to-the-table tactic was not consistent enough. Too many times he made errors on off-the-bounce shots. Liang very effectively used long serves to force backhand to backhand rallies, which Liang won most of. Fan Zhendong started making service changes and implementing powerful shots during rallies, and this earned him a couple of games. However, in the last two games, Fan Zhendong wasn't able to effectively control the short ball placement as Liang was on fire from the backhand side. He made so many backhand winners and effectively overpowered Fanzhendong.
From a mental side, I think we can all agree we saw more fire in Liang's eyes. He was out there to win, and he was super focused. Throughout the match, I got the feeling that Fan was fending off Liang instead of attacking with the intention of winning. (Obviously, he wanted to win, but the desire to win seemed lesser.) I feel that we saw a similar situation in the WTTC 2019 where Liang accomplished a similar feat. He is determined to win and doesn't back down in big moments. When the big moments come, it almost feels like Fan Zhendong backs down. With the exception of WTTC 2017, when he played his heart out with Ma Long, I haven't seen him rise quite as high to the occasion. Maybe it's because he's generally so good that opponents don't force him to play those clutch situations, so he hasn't cultivated that level of mental toughness when matches end up becoming close.
Anyway, the point isn't to take away from Liang's achievement, as he deserved this win every bit, but I think for someone with greatness like Fan, he needs to be able to step up more! I mean, this is the man we compare to Ma Long, and I believe he has the capacity to eventually surpass him. He's still young, so I definitely think we'll see more development as the years go by.
This is just my opinion, and I'm pretty passionate in talking about these topics, so if you actually read this long comment, feel free to comment with your take, and we can have a conversation. :)
Alec Wong Music - Not taking any credits away from LJK, I just would like to share my observation. The temperature in the arena caused every competitor sweating heavily. Unlike any other competitors FZD was absolutely drenched. This may cause dehydration and affect his performance.
@@meichoi9646 Yea physical conditions due to environment can definitely be a major factor. I agree.
Excellent analysis.
@@chubbycakes4 Thank you
I think it's time that we should expect that new generation dynamic duo for China is here.
Earlier it was ML and XX and now it's FZD and LJK.
I always knew liang ha the potential to be where he is now, it was just a matter of time that he would improve accuracy in his final shots( which he did here BTW), and play a bit intelligently (I guess, FZD is slightly more experienced than Liang).
Over the period of time, they both will get better and become complementary to each other much like Ying and Yang.
I really see great potential for Chinese TT in both of them.
Best counterloop rally 6:22
Ankle breaker 8:26
WHAT ABOUT THE FOOTWORK 10:36
More counterlooping magic 12:38
What just happened 13:05
Hype level reaching maximum 15:39 - 17:49
This could have been the Olympic final. What a level. These backhand to backhand exchanges are lightning fast. According to me Fan's agressive playing style suits perfectly the style of Liang. Liang just loves that speed. The harder and faster you hit that plastic ball, the harder and faster it will come back. These two and Wang Chu Qin are my favorites for future world and Olympic titles.
Frédéric Chaboteau couldn’t agree more
Celluloid?
@@S72Henry Thanks to correct me. It's indeed, since 2014/15, a PLASTIC BALL🙊😃
MA Long play golf? Ma Long in 60% beat all chinese national team
I doubt Liang will ever have at a shot at the Olympics singles. Even xu xin will likely never play singles...
FZD ever has so much difficult against Jinkun. So many times has beaten against him.
Everbody's talking about his BH, but LJKs FH is the side that he has improved most!
ljk bh is better.
@@zang_thomas than what? did you even understand what i was writing?
LJK and FZD have better BH but they were forced to play more often FH or at least close to neutral by the coaches . I think it is forced on them because it is more suitable against foreigners to have slightly more aggressive forehand . LJK backhand was phenomenal in this match :)
The demand to the body for these high speed exchange - brutal
It feels like Liang was very well prepared specifically for Fan's game.
Definitely one of the best match i've seen in my whole life
11:06 is the ace of the year
Yes.. terrific service...LJK was running the other side
Not an ace
It's not so difficult cause he serves from the middle of the table.
Man. This is what happens when two of the most powerful beasts clash. Insane power generation. Fan had no answers at times.... He would have won against almost anyone with such shots but Liang always had some better answers... Just one word.. INSANE
10:27 look how fast, powerful and confident he is!
This was unexpected. Wonderful performance by Liang. He too is fantastic though. No doubt.
First time I see Fan Zhendong being outpaced. He changed his style to being more passive at the end which was effective but not as effective as when Ma Long changes his style.
4:27 even in slo-mo Liang's backhand is still fast AF
Liang Jingkun clearly has confidence against Fan, who he knows so well. Liang should play like this all the time! He moved better than before. No hesitating anymore. Fantastic performance showing what he is capable of.
Wow I didn't expect Liang to beat Fan zhendong.. Is the nightmares of 2019 WTTC for Fan zhendong going to happen agian?
Fck you. Top comment that spoilered it for me
Lol agian.
Not just WTTC, also Austrian Open and others
JK changed his rubber and became more pawaful
I kinda did, fan hasn't played that well this tournament...
What an excellent match of Liang Jingkun!!
LJK looks so strong when his backhand is working. This is the form he was in when he beat FZD at 2019 WC.
What a legendary game, truly at a inhumanly high level. Fan Zhendong was really out of ideas what to do when he opted for his back hand serve, liangs mid game is strong
Incredible how the Chinese championships level are so much better than WTTC and Olympic Games in Table Tennis. The players of medium level of China Super League like Chenhao, Xue Fei, Liu Dingshuo, Zhao Zihao can easily beat everyone of the another countries of the world. The same and more easily even in women's.
Not necessarily, They are not used to the various styles from other country players....sometimes they struggle when they encounter a new style
@@subhamjaiswal3677 Yes, couple of chop-blocks by Koki Niwa sent LJK to a knockdown on WTTC :D
Now I know what rubber to use on my backhand! ☺️
ファンも好きだしジンクンも好きだからどっちも頑張って欲しいぜ!
Has anyone noticed that LJQ is actually using DHS H3 National (blue) for BH and DHS H3 National (Orange) for FH
Olympics: Human vs AI
Chinese Warm-up: AI vs AI
What a game! ggwp LJK FZD
The backhand has truly been weaponized.
very nice quality and edit. Do you also have the full video? If yes, please can you upload the full video also?
Jingkun's power made FZD unable to optimize his placements. Also, i've never seen Jingkun's forehand quite so on fire. I also agree, Jingkun looked like he wanted this win really bad. Power attacking ping pong at its finest.
LJK has improved and he prepared well against FZD. Such is the talent and margin of difference at the top tier of CNT men's team. The gold medal can go to any of the four. Let's see if LJK can beat WCQ in the final.
LJK has stepping into another level. Ultra instinct awakening! Too bad for fzd. It seems ljk has better performance in this match. It’s sad to see my favourite players loss.☹️
Two chubby brothers :)
2020 is full of surprises
However I predict wang will beat liang if they meet in the finals
After this match I expect Liang J. could win in the final. He's now in fire. However thanks a this match Liang can be very tired. The big power from both sides and a great speed from Liang. Fan Z. was powerless in too many rallies. 11:06- the serve at the highest level from FZ:)
Zenco Suzuki I agree but I think liang struggles with the relatively slower place of the rest of the world with his close to the table kill shot style and is dominant but not as dominant against them compared to ML,XX,FZD
@@zencosuzuki8496 Remember that they're athlete, you maybe tired but they're trained to do this kind heavy work everyday :)
@@HamasakiFanz Yes, I understand. However, I saw Yan An after match against Hou Yingchao and this time Yan An vs Wang Chuqin was only a shadow of himself/ maybe because of an injury , I don't know/. The similar situation about Xu Chenhao. They're athlete , but .....also only humans:)
I definitely agree with you. I think Wang Chuqin is a very smart, controlling, and tempo setting kind of player, and this will likely pose difficulty for Liang, who is very much a power, speed, and rally driven player. With that being said, if he can force a fast tempo with aggressive openings and long, fast serves, he might have a good chance :)
梁の方は守備的なドライブとブロックと攻撃的なドライブの使い分けがうまいから樊の攻撃をしのぎきってからのカウンターで点を取ってて、梁の方は下げられても前陣のちょっと後ろから打ちまくることができるから樊のリズムに対応できるのかもです。中陣の打ち合いはどちらも安定感がありつつ攻撃的なのですが、やはり前陣の打ち合いで点数がとれる方が勝つんだと思います。
It is so damn difficult to keep yourself on top. While FZD is trying to save his crown, LJ has everything for taking. No doubt Liang played amazing but the real test is being consistent and perform in international tournaments when the stakes are very high. It would be very interesting to see how long (if and when) he keeps himself on top. Tough day for FZD but I'm sure he is only shaken and not broken.
What date and time is the final? Thank you.
Liang's backhand is more effective & stronger than ever before.. Hope to see him in men's single team at the Olympic alongside Ma Long
Who would he replace then?
That's becoz he s using his FH rubber on BH
@@dimashevchenko1360 probably FZD if possible
winning and losing within the National team is normal, it happens sometimes unexpectedly. The real test is international matches with different types of players, Zhendong is Gold medal champion, so is XuXin, MaLong, but they also lost to their own team members. Team members help them improve
Both were amazing... 1st and 3rd sets, LJK won after deuces... both are on par at the game but on this day, LGK was better than FZD
Liang Jingkun is getting back to his natural weight. He does not play well when he is thinner!!!
Yeah, he is my chubby guy
The battle of the chubby guys LOL
Both in beast mode!
I guess Liang is going to be among the top 3 after Ma retires.
Level 1: Ma Long, Fan zhendong, Xu xin
Level 2: Wang chuqin, Liang jingkun, Lin gaoyuan
omg, Liang had super backhand, great match !
Coz he s using his FH rubber on BH
Ma long was defeated by wang hao because he was his senior and lost to zhang jike because of his mental game. Now same is happening to fzd first ma long and now liang jingkun is there who has better mental game than fzd
Man I was wishing so hard for fan to win. This is a sad day
速い卓球に変わったなぁとか言ってたら、何もかもが早い卓球になっていってる。
どんだけ速い打点でどんだけえぐい球打ち合ってるのw
Crazy 😎 the black rubber on BH, sure it’s H3? Could be skyline?
レシーブ前にニヤニヤしてる黒ジャイアンが好き。
If FZD encouters another teammate (other than Ma Long) in the real Olympics final, who will win would be highly uncertain.
Just noticed LJK has red in FH and black in BH. That is the difference from all of his CNT mates. Is he doing that all the time? Let me check his earlier matches.
It seems only in this Olympic Warm-up 2020. During earlier "2020 Marvellous 12", he had black FH and red BH.
10:27 Absolute destruction of a serve! It's embarrassing to have a serve pounded into oblivion like that!
梁靖昆今天狀態非常好,與樊振東相持都佔上風
Is it that LJK becomes too good or FZD is weaker than normal?
Both i think
WOW fucking hell, this was one hell of a match
As I had predicted ljk is fan zhendongs weakness
ジンクン、ファンにめっちゃ強いよなー
単純な威力勝負だと負けてないからね
At what date and time is the final going to be?
Laing jingkun is basically fam Zhendong backhand on steroids.
Лианг ЖинКан - просто Красава!!!
FZD got a smile vs LJK in the previous double team match. But I see no smile on his face right now
Powerful shot of both sides by LJK
分かる方誰でもいいので答えていただけると嬉しいのですがこれって準決勝ですか?あと馬龍や許昕選手の試合結果って分かりますか?
だいこおろうに ありがとうございます!馬龍選手棄権してたのは残念です
I think the reason fzd lost is because possibly he is back to gaming, as he looks dehydrated, i never saw him sweating this much his whole shirt is all wet. Something is not right here. I hope fzd can get back to his pre-quarantine form!
Both of them carry too much weight.
LJK have no fear to counterattack the powerful backhand of FZD, even with more power. This is due to he know FZD to much, he just needed no improve his forehand...since he did, he have become in the black beast of FZD.
Fan Zhendong lost but i still adore him. LJK win and is equally cute ..
Great match of powerhouse vs. powerhouse
小胖的技術改進有了框架,接著可能要加强「控制力」。
這場球看出來小胖對自己的新打法還不夠信心、有所懷疑。
但若回頭看看這場球的錄影,應能發現自己的得分不在速度或力量,而是在變化。
所以臨場的戰術擬定正是步向超一流高手的關鍵;該能力不僅是對自身技術的更複雜應用,還得針對對手做出種種控制,至少不能像本場的梁靖崑如此容易攻擊得分。
希望小胖早日踏出那一步。
Will ma long play in this warm up ?
Get me the Thor's Hammer, will you? If the lightning speed of their game didn't overpower it already!
Liang plays similar to Fan but more focused and more powerful...
Xu xin, FZD out, Ma Long withdraw ...core Olympic team did not live up to their hype.
LJK n Wang Chuqin both reserve players in team event are finalists now. Cut throat competition this is
The Chinese team is very deep. Not much separates them. You can easily lose your spot
FZD should still play, he is the most stable against foreigners
European players preparing for FZD and LJK comes out of syllabus in Olympic
What did liang used for his forehand? Look like Dignics.
DHS hurricane national 3 orange sponge
@@a7lyqq yeah just checked it. He is the only one of the A team using red rubber on the forehand . Lol
Yao Li what’s the difference with the orange and blue sponges? Rob M mentioned that you use the National blue sponge?
@@paullord3549 the sponge thickness is different between blue and orange. The top layer of the rubber is same.
@@paullord3549 blue sponge is the hardest among any, orange is 2nd hardest. I used blue for 5 years and orange for 8 years, blue is harder and returns ball faster, less dewell time, stronger, other difference are subtile. But once I get used to the blue, I can't use the orange ever just feeling it s a bit too weak, easily return ball down to net somehow.
Fan needs to risk it and play the long serve a bit more often maybe
11:06 ultimate service by FZD ..
Fan didn't even use the stiga legacy blade...
Finals fearless forecast:
LJK - 4
WCQ - 2
💪😱💪🤗💪🏽💪🏾💪🏿🦾
Yeah! 😀😅
My prediction was correct.
It is indeed 4-2 in favor of LJK..
💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
FZD didn't find a real solution to counter LJK in this match. I hope he will grow up after this match.
Laing Jingkun - Zhang Jike
Fan Zhendong - Ma Long
(∘⁼̴⃙̀˘︷˘⁼̴⃙́∘) *NO AIR CONDITIONING!*
Why is Liang Jingkun so good at beating Fan Zhendong?
Why liang jingkun playing red rubber on forehand?
Red rubber will give a bit more pop in terms of power. Black rubber is the booster side for the Chinese Rubber from the DHS.
LJK likes power hitting, but has difficulty with varying speeds. If FZD had used more strategic speed and spin variability, the game may have tilted his way.
FZD,Lin Gauyang have the exact same problem.Only Ma Long and Xu Xin can produce slow loops and have a good pushing game. Young players are only good at countering fast shots close to the table.
Fan ddnt serve his regular reverse serve from the regular position any one know why
because ljk backhandflips are too strong
he was a monster in this game congrats to him but i would like him to play my fav player xu xin =xuperman !!! this one is for you nigel.c
この二人まじで化け物すぎる
なんか、ファンジェンドンのフォアが調子悪い感じがする
What is LJK BH rubber? Look like a Chinese one ? lmao
DHS hurricane national 3 orange sponge
Ljk use h3 national blue sponge on backhand, forehand he use h3 national orange sponge.
Weirdest pair except ML 🤭
this is just Gods fighting each other..
梁全程都是把藍國狂用在反手 是有什麼奇特效用嗎?
6:23 thank me later
LJK so crazy @@ lol. Powerful shot of both sides by him. Hic.
I really like FZD but this match was LJK's
6:23 14:43
LJK is on fire!!!
🤔 Как, так-то!?
这解说,装聋作哑啊?裁判判了发球违例她当做什么都没发生🤐
Fan Zehndong vs Fan Zehndong
誰が優勝するのか…
王だろ
多分王かなぁ ジンクンに買って欲しいけど
野獣洗米 ジンクンなんか左に弱くね?
野獣洗米 個人的に馬龍対ホウエイチョウは見たかった
野獣洗米 女子はどっちが勝つと思う?
Xu Xin and now FZD
FZD is not like a world champion somehow...his skill is very good but something is wrong with him...
Liang jingkun.. is smilling titan
梁靖崑还是一如既往的内战内行啊,小胖反手确实扛不住大胖,侧身速度跟不上。不知道为什么这次比赛感觉他又开始发死力了,没有年初最强12人时候打的合理
跟梁靖崑打,我感觉小胖一点思考战术都没有,你看第一局一直想靠发球来搏杀导致老是触网,然后想相持
你们说的都不对。因为梁把蓝国狂用在反手了。樊振东根本不适应。
@@fanzhendongharimoto7332 不知道为啥 感觉下胖和大蟒这次比赛有点生硬,状态没年初好,可能大赛打得少不是特别兴奋
@@a7lyqq 器材不适应的大多数都是借口,封闭训练这么久梁肯定很早就换了。如果队友的器材都不适应,大赛怎么去打跟不熟悉的日本欧洲队?
Tao Li 梁靖崑采访的时候说了,这次小胖的状态不行,前两局有点慢热,梁靖崑抓到这个机会直接拿下三局
I hope LJK champion