@@YewJackOSRS Its in the blog post near the bottom of todays information. Adamant Dragon Dragon Metal Slice -> Dragon Kiteshield Rune Dragon Dragon Metal Lump -> Dragon Platebody Phantom Muspah Ancient Icon -> Ancient Sceptre Other changes include: All Desert Treasure 2 bosses will drop all parts of the Soulreaper Axe in order. All Raids will offer the chance to obtain Twisted Bow, Tumeken's Shadow, and Scythe of Vitur. More information about this to come. Dragon Pickaxes obtained via Volcanic Mine Ore Packs will come repaired. You now have a chance to loot Dragon Hasta rather than Broken Dragon Hasta from the Brimstone Chest. Tormented Synapse has had its inspect option adjusted and will now allow you to instantly convert it to an Emberlight, Scorching Bow, or Purging Staff.
@@chazyyyy7485 Ah. I should of double checked the blog. I thought it was just the image. This is what I get for doing my research on my phone earlier today lol. To the top we go!
At this point in time just unlock Kandarin for free, it'll feel awful for Kandarin to have literally 0 people roaming about. It's like a kid's birthday party that nobody went to even though everyone was invited.
I had the same thought on the Toxic SotD, but you should be able to dismantle a Toxic Trident to get the Magic Fang to make it. Also, Fremmy did get a small buff. The Ancient Icon now drops as an Ancient Sceptre, which is especially nice given how annoying Ancient Staves can be to get. I kinda hope this encourages more Melee builds to go V+M without F. The Rancour and Ultor are not that much under the Fremmy Echo Items for Melee, but still way stronger for Range and Magic.
Oh I suppose that is true. Bit of a weird way to get it but at least there is a path lol. I find it odd they didn't just let Zammy drop the toxic staff as an item. Maybe they wanted to avoid the reverse where you disassemble Toxic SotD, also take kandarin, and then get a toxic trident with no tirannwn.......... but who is going to take kandarin really lol.
I didn't really feel it fit anywhere in the vid itself, but the mods stated the intentions behind these changes were so you'd be able to complete all of a regions tasks without the need to pick up multiple regions (like you would have needed in previous leagues). These sort of "shared" item tasks will exist in the general task pool, rather than the region specific one if you happen to be looking for it.
I feel like there’s gunna be a relic that allows all npcs you hit to have elemental weakness regardless of your combat style. So imagine dragon hunter lance applying 100% fire weakness + kandarins echo bonus ++ dragons bane weakness
That'd feel a bit weird cause the magic bonus, but I wouldn't mind it. I do think them adding something that will apply elemental weakness to more stuff makes a lot of sense. I'm betting it'll be the mage combat relic.
I wonder if the combat masteries will be tired into your regions in some way. Feels like they want to make everything self contained, would kinda make sense if there were a few masteries based on the regions you took. the devs know how bad kandarin is and it would seem kinda bad to have one of the only 3 combat relics we chose to be something that implants weaknesses. I also have a feeling that the only combat relics we will get is a super powered tier like we got for the last league at T8. rambling and speculation over XD.
One idea I saw for masteries was a sort of "do X thing to lvl up Y ability". Not sure how feasible that'd be but that could allow for some region intertwine on the effects and then you scale them up with a boss KC or some such. Could be a cool system.
what they're not telling us is there will probably be a relic that applies elemental weaknesses to all enemies, so now kandarin echo weapon applies everywhere and it is the highest dps setup in the game by far. That's my prediction. Still won't make me take kandarin though
In the dev diary 2 months ago, they said "each region will have 1-2 echo bosses". I think kandarin is going to get a 2nd echo and maybe something else that makes the region stronger. Imo, jagex is teasing us
I remember that as well, but then they later said 1 boss per region. I'm assuming if they do attempt a Kandarin save (which seems quite likely really), it'll probably be in the relics/masteries -- or combining it with Tirannwn.
yeah I think every region is gonna have 2 echo items I still think tirawnw and kandarni are gonna be one region, they just showed toxic staff to not reveal this just yet..
I'm SLIGHTLY torn about this. It is objectively incredible to get full item drops for the uniques spread across 3+ regions. It does also, in some part, take away from the Trailblazer theme. How much do I really care? I don't know. But not getting to have everything was sorta the whole point. That said, Morytania might be cemented into my region picks now? But I really need to see Combat Masteries/relics. Feel like any further speculation I've been doing is beyond pointless without concrete info on those. I'm spoiled and I need more, LOL.
I like this change mostly for Kourend and Mory. I do think with how intertwined some of these regions are becoming, it is nice to have things open up a bit. Never before could you do some kind of DHL build, but now it's viable. Mory gets to play to its strengths better as well. M/A/K was like... sure. It's a good melee build. But what if you didn't want to do god wars? Kandarout was always a sad choice for melee too. For a lot of regions though, this didn't really matter that much I think.
Kandarin deserves the full tier gap between it and everything else at this point. Take it if you want, maybe you're a big fan of lazy slayer, hunter and the fishing trawler. Honestly the best thing it has is how many good exp giving quests it has, but if a single early boost is your best feature you're really struggling. Kandarin really benefitted from how many dependencies it had on the middle stages of items or content, but the more they clean those out the weaker the area becomes. I still feel like it imbalances points too much, but maybe finding some way to combine it with Tirannwn is the fix? Obviously too late for this league, but something to consider for the next one.
That's what I'm doing too. When I saw the echo drops for Fremmy I did momentarily consider dropping Asgarnia for Fremmy but nah, I farm Muspah enough as it is and I don't really enjoy the content in Fremmy all that much.
@TearThatRedFlagDown idk the problem with no fremmy isn't even the uniques, it's the lack of dragon ammunition for my bp, tbow and zaryte crossbow, I can get dragon arrows from farming tds but still...
@@Nebesus Ya. I like that Fremmy doesn't feel quite as required with this. Still a very very good echo pickup if you have space for it but standard BIS will feel plenty powerful in leagues.
Something they didn't mention is the Ancient icon from Fremmy, or the crystals from the DT2 bosses. It'll be interesting to see if those work with this as well
Kandarin definitely feels like its shaping up for a huge reveal, mage relic/mastery giving a 50% baseline weakness is my guess, they are taking so much away from from it that a huge reveal just feels inevitable.
It really seems that way. They wouldn't be slamming it so hard if they didn't have something else planned. In before T + K becomes the Western Provinces.
i guessed the lance btw in the boss/items leak video i saw during the crytsal blessing they had the lance and at the time it was impossiable to get lance and tirewann at same time so i guessed the claw would be the whole thing no one believed me in the discord saying it was a over sight....
At least you were vindicated. I remember a ton of people mentioning rings being dropped as completed items, which at the time didn't seem like it would be true.
I cant wait to see at the end of the league somehow 0.5% ending up picking both Lumberjack + Kandarin as a league making me scratch my head wtf they were thinking lmao. Also this was an interesting reveal i didnt expect. I dont yet know where to place this. I think overal its a win for most of us but i dont know if it shakes up things. I will say after yesterday more and more im thinking of going Zeah/F/D but then i do also hear people say the last few teases have made D weaker soooo not quite sure yet
Yeah I've come to the conclusion that I'm just going to stop making assumptions for my area selection apart from V. At this point I don't even know if this league will be style specific, or a tribrid. I was so sure of F but because of today I can drop it without much loss...... unless its tribrid then F is needed. I was so persistent about not taking T, but its really big now, especially for melee. I just doubt I'll be able to make my final choice until like a day or 2 from launch, and that's assuming they even leak the combat stuff. Guess I'll just sit and wait lol.
![Ranking Every Echo Item in Leagues V [OSRS]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/V42groXJUd4/mqdefault.jpg)
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Another thing not mentioned for starter regions, Volcanic Mine ore packs will also drop a full Dragon Pickaxe, rather than the broken one.
Did they say that? I didn't see a mention of it in their post.
@@YewJackOSRS Its in the blog post near the bottom of todays information.
Adamant Dragon
Dragon Metal Slice -> Dragon Kiteshield
Rune Dragon
Dragon Metal Lump -> Dragon Platebody
Phantom Muspah
Ancient Icon -> Ancient Sceptre
Other changes include:
All Desert Treasure 2 bosses will drop all parts of the Soulreaper Axe in order.
All Raids will offer the chance to obtain Twisted Bow, Tumeken's Shadow, and Scythe of Vitur. More information about this to come.
Dragon Pickaxes obtained via Volcanic Mine Ore Packs will come repaired.
You now have a chance to loot Dragon Hasta rather than Broken Dragon Hasta from the Brimstone Chest.
Tormented Synapse has had its inspect option adjusted and will now allow you to instantly convert it to an Emberlight, Scorching Bow, or Purging Staff.
@@chazyyyy7485 Ah. I should of double checked the blog. I thought it was just the image. This is what I get for doing my research on my phone earlier today lol. To the top we go!
Ok I was gonna smack talk that this update was not important for me but this does go nice
yeah everyone can get full plate dragon chest and dragon kiteshield now! :D
At this point in time just unlock Kandarin for free, it'll feel awful for Kandarin to have literally 0 people roaming about. It's like a kid's birthday party that nobody went to even though everyone was invited.
Remove the barb assault tasks fr
Poor little Kandarin. Used to be so cool a few grades (leagues lol) ago, but now everyone is avoiding him hard.
Kandarin got the cheese touch... (Diary of a whimpy kid reference)
I had the same thought on the Toxic SotD, but you should be able to dismantle a Toxic Trident to get the Magic Fang to make it. Also, Fremmy did get a small buff. The Ancient Icon now drops as an Ancient Sceptre, which is especially nice given how annoying Ancient Staves can be to get.
I kinda hope this encourages more Melee builds to go V+M without F. The Rancour and Ultor are not that much under the Fremmy Echo Items for Melee, but still way stronger for Range and Magic.
Oh I suppose that is true. Bit of a weird way to get it but at least there is a path lol. I find it odd they didn't just let Zammy drop the toxic staff as an item. Maybe they wanted to avoid the reverse where you disassemble Toxic SotD, also take kandarin, and then get a toxic trident with no tirannwn.......... but who is going to take kandarin really lol.
I didn't really feel it fit anywhere in the vid itself, but the mods stated the intentions behind these changes were so you'd be able to complete all of a regions tasks without the need to pick up multiple regions (like you would have needed in previous leagues). These sort of "shared" item tasks will exist in the general task pool, rather than the region specific one if you happen to be looking for it.
I feel like there’s gunna be a relic that allows all npcs you hit to have elemental weakness regardless of your combat style. So imagine dragon hunter lance applying 100% fire weakness + kandarins echo bonus ++ dragons bane weakness
That'd feel a bit weird cause the magic bonus, but I wouldn't mind it. I do think them adding something that will apply elemental weakness to more stuff makes a lot of sense. I'm betting it'll be the mage combat relic.
Fremmy gets access to the Ancient Sceptre which is actually pretty huge in combination with Virtus, Upgraded Sceptre, and free Ancients from Relics.
Ya. I suppose that's fair. Duke does give the ice gem ya? I feel like that and the blood one are probably the most interesting.
I wonder if the combat masteries will be tired into your regions in some way. Feels like they want to make everything self contained, would kinda make sense if there were a few masteries based on the regions you took. the devs know how bad kandarin is and it would seem kinda bad to have one of the only 3 combat relics we chose to be something that implants weaknesses. I also have a feeling that the only combat relics we will get is a super powered tier like we got for the last league at T8. rambling and speculation over XD.
One idea I saw for masteries was a sort of "do X thing to lvl up Y ability". Not sure how feasible that'd be but that could allow for some region intertwine on the effects and then you scale them up with a boss KC or some such. Could be a cool system.
They can't keep doing this to Kandarin
And yet...
what they're not telling us is there will probably be a relic that applies elemental weaknesses to all enemies, so now kandarin echo weapon applies everywhere and it is the highest dps setup in the game by far. That's my prediction. Still won't make me take kandarin though
@@MyNameIsSalo ngl I could see it. Nice prediction
Toa and Corp shoulda got the full elidinas ward IMO
Kandarin Lives Matter!
Can we just agree to start calling it Kandarout as a community since that describes it in our region considerations
That sounds fair to me
In the dev diary 2 months ago, they said "each region will have 1-2 echo bosses".
I think kandarin is going to get a 2nd echo and maybe something else that makes the region stronger. Imo, jagex is teasing us
I remember that as well, but then they later said 1 boss per region. I'm assuming if they do attempt a Kandarin save (which seems quite likely really), it'll probably be in the relics/masteries -- or combining it with Tirannwn.
yeah I think every region is gonna have 2 echo items
I still think tirawnw and kandarni are gonna be one region, they just showed toxic staff to not reveal this just yet..
At this point a redheaded stepchild is loved more than kandarin
lol
Kandarin truly in the bin x0+tab!! Surely they will twist the story somewhere along the future reveals
I'm going to laugh if they save the final reveal as the thing that saves Kandarin. Just screw with everyones planning.
I'm SLIGHTLY torn about this. It is objectively incredible to get full item drops for the uniques spread across 3+ regions. It does also, in some part, take away from the Trailblazer theme. How much do I really care? I don't know. But not getting to have everything was sorta the whole point.
That said, Morytania might be cemented into my region picks now? But I really need to see Combat Masteries/relics. Feel like any further speculation I've been doing is beyond pointless without concrete info on those. I'm spoiled and I need more, LOL.
I like this change mostly for Kourend and Mory. I do think with how intertwined some of these regions are becoming, it is nice to have things open up a bit. Never before could you do some kind of DHL build, but now it's viable. Mory gets to play to its strengths better as well. M/A/K was like... sure. It's a good melee build. But what if you didn't want to do god wars? Kandarout was always a sad choice for melee too.
For a lot of regions though, this didn't really matter that much I think.
I did DHL last time. Not a very good idea :)
That’s it I’m gonna take Kandarin 😈
*were they joking? The world may never know*
While we don't know if this was a joke or not, we can be certain of one thing.................
Kandarin is a joke. 🤣
Kandarin deserves the full tier gap between it and everything else at this point. Take it if you want, maybe you're a big fan of lazy slayer, hunter and the fishing trawler. Honestly the best thing it has is how many good exp giving quests it has, but if a single early boost is your best feature you're really struggling.
Kandarin really benefitted from how many dependencies it had on the middle stages of items or content, but the more they clean those out the weaker the area becomes. I still feel like it imbalances points too much, but maybe finding some way to combine it with Tirannwn is the fix? Obviously too late for this league, but something to consider for the next one.
ZVT MELEE CONTINUES WINNING
If they have hybrid masteries it will literally be perfect
They better have hybrid combat stuff. I'd be so sad otherwise lol
Fuck it, varlamore desert asgarnia, full fortified masori and torva into the fucking coloseum!
Lol nice. Gl!
@YewJackOSRS yeah I was thinking of dipping my toes in fremmy but I'd hate to miss out on the colosseum and desert/asgarnia are what I really want
That's what I'm doing too. When I saw the echo drops for Fremmy I did momentarily consider dropping Asgarnia for Fremmy but nah, I farm Muspah enough as it is and I don't really enjoy the content in Fremmy all that much.
@TearThatRedFlagDown idk the problem with no fremmy isn't even the uniques, it's the lack of dragon ammunition for my bp, tbow and zaryte crossbow, I can get dragon arrows from farming tds but still...
@@Nebesus Ya. I like that Fremmy doesn't feel quite as required with this. Still a very very good echo pickup if you have space for it but standard BIS will feel plenty powerful in leagues.
Something they didn't mention is the Ancient icon from Fremmy, or the crystals from the DT2 bosses. It'll be interesting to see if those work with this as well
This league I really think I'm gonna camp wildy yet again, every league it's the insanely fun underdog.
Wildy is looking strong, though I do worry it will end up being really crowded at this rate lol.
Kandarin definitely feels like its shaping up for a huge reveal, mage relic/mastery giving a 50% baseline weakness is my guess, they are taking so much away from from it that a huge reveal just feels inevitable.
It really seems that way. They wouldn't be slamming it so hard if they didn't have something else planned. In before T + K becomes the Western Provinces.
@@YewJackOSRS you might be on to something...
I hope they make Kandarin a free third region this year, since they added Varlamore this league
It'll be interesting to see what they do for poor old Kand.
This is why they didn't give us a 4th region unlock after adding Varlamore, they were planning to kill Kandarin
i guessed the lance btw in the boss/items leak video i saw during the crytsal blessing they had the lance and at the time it was impossiable to get lance and tirewann at same time so i guessed the claw would be the whole thing no one believed me in the discord saying it was a over sight....
At least you were vindicated. I remember a ton of people mentioning rings being dropped as completed items, which at the time didn't seem like it would be true.
Mage relic better have some insane elemental weakness bonus that synergizes with the kandarin echo item
I saw a thing saying put it right in the trash-Kandarin and I lost it.
Very accurate statement. Right along side the WC relic lol
at this point, I'm commiting to Kandarin.. for the meme
You will have the entire space to yourself. 😅
I cant wait to see at the end of the league somehow 0.5% ending up picking both Lumberjack + Kandarin as a league making me scratch my head wtf they were thinking lmao.
Also this was an interesting reveal i didnt expect. I dont yet know where to place this. I think overal its a win for most of us but i dont know if it shakes up things.
I will say after yesterday more and more im thinking of going Zeah/F/D but then i do also hear people say the last few teases have made D weaker soooo not quite sure yet
Yeah I've come to the conclusion that I'm just going to stop making assumptions for my area selection apart from V. At this point I don't even know if this league will be style specific, or a tribrid. I was so sure of F but because of today I can drop it without much loss...... unless its tribrid then F is needed. I was so persistent about not taking T, but its really big now, especially for melee. I just doubt I'll be able to make my final choice until like a day or 2 from launch, and that's assuming they even leak the combat stuff. Guess I'll just sit and wait lol.
I'm sure they'll leak the combat stuff, at least in some capacity. It'd be rude of them to not allow anyone to really plan lol.
Toa and corp shoulda got the full elidinas ward imo
RIP Kandarin
2002 - 2024
only save for kandrin now is if its a free unlock lol
Free Kandamid!
kandarin is still too high on the tier list relative to the others, only separated by C tier. Needs to be like 2-3 tiers lower
I'll see what I can do next time :p
K tier