I just watched your debate with Mr. Carson, and that was a masterful performance on your part. You were very respectful, patient, and knowledgeable. It was unfortunate and disrespectful that Billy didn't even tell you goodbye. New subscriber👍
Billy did give a kind of goodbye, it was just hard to hear over the talking. He said something along the lines of "Thanks Wes". I'm paraphrasing of course because I don't remember word for word.
I am so glad I saw this! I’ve been wanting someone to correct him for a very long time! Satan had him winning for a while gaining popularity! It’s so absurd what he confidentially says and how he swayed many away from God. That is simple research he could have done, and it makes me wonder how much of the other things he says are inaccurate!
@kittiecommittie look up ANTON WISBISKI youtube channel. He shows proof that Billy Carson, whose real birth name was William Carson, has been arrested for possession of cocaine and has stolen thousands of people of their money and made false claims about Christianity. Let's pray to our Lord Jesus Christ "billy" repents.
I am so delighted to see your subscriber number rising every time I click on a vid! Praise the Lord. Thank you for all you’re doing, Wes. Praying for you from the east end of TO!
It doesn’t deserve a longer video honestly,it’s just not that deep ,it’s honestly more boring than you think.its false prophet that made a religion on this because Freemasons pay for this to be pushed as a religion
@@black_horse_lover2655 you mean the study that got laughed at by anyone interested in the subject for ignoring data, only accounting for certain makers on the topography on the plateau and ignoring the evidence of ancient dams and water management. Pity Wes is a fan of pseudoscience
The sphinx itself is heavily eroded. It has been restored for thousands of years. Just because Wes embarrassed Bill Carson, and Billy Carson talks about the sphinx being 10,000 years or older. Doesn't discredit that claim, the Sphinx Enclosure is a dilemma, mainstream archeologists will say it was the Nile flooding or straight up wind erosion. But it spent thousands of years under sand. Robert Schoch risked his academic career but he's right.
The Nile water level was only high during flooding 10,000 to 15,000 which would support the hypothesis of the sphinx being older. The data you refer to is for flood levels not constant levels.
I have a feeling your social media stuff is going to start getting big as you delve more into the debate stuff, just remeber to always stay true and unbaised as you always have.
@@anoniemoes4879Yep! You hit the nail on the head with that one, Bot! A 6k-view RUclips video was paid for by someone, but I don’t know who, and neither do you. You’re very smart.
I just found your channel today and then learned that Jason Breshear from Archaix recently invited you to talk. I hope you accept. I know that will be a deep discussion and much appreciated from people who have learning disorders, etc... who aren't capable of researching & interpreting like you both do. Thank You!
Yeah, this video was unconvincing. Sedimentation could have covered the body of the Sphinx between 11,000 and 5,000 years ago thus preventing its 'disintegration'. Later generations could have excavated, then repurposed the site, or the inundation of the area with river water may not have even happened as described here. Likewise, the Nile River is only about 30 feet deep thus a redirection of the river would not have fully submerged the 66' tall artifact as shown in the illustration. Ultimately, this is a geological and climatological puzzle with professional scientists having no unanimity of opinion for the assertions provided by the videographer. One of the key arguments against the 12,000-year-old Sphinx hypothesis has been the lack of evidence for the necessary technological advancement of early Neolithic people to build the alleged proto-Sphinx structure. The discovery of the Gobekli Tepe site has vanquished this argument. Ultimately, we are just scratching the surface for understanding early human societies.
Good comment. I agree with the points you are making here and my personal opinion, based on the weathering, is that it must be far older than the dynastic era.
If we're going back to the African Humid Period, the Nile would not have been what it is today. Scientists have estimated it would have had a flow similar to today's Amazon and have been subject to highly energetic flooding. Erosion on the Sphinx is inconclusive as to its age and it's more likely that at best, it may be a couple of centuries older than Khafre.
@@TankUni I can find a half dozen professional geologists who've studied the issue who would disagree with everything you just wrote. You'd best be careful when you throw around a phrase like "scientists" as if they're a monolith.
@@viper2148 _You'd best be careful when you throw around a phrase like "scientists" as if they're a monolith._ As opposed to your half dozen geologists? The reason I said 'scientists' is that it's scientists who have worked on the African Humid Period and concluded it was a time of much higher rainfall and large, energetic river flows in upper Africa, including that of the Nile. There's a lot of papers available online about it - papers published by scientists. I suspect you're actually upset about my calling erosion on the Sphinx (and its enclosure), inconclusive evidence for a much earlier date for construction. But it is, else there would be much greater agreement over the issue. It's also worth noting that Robert Schoch, who did much to promote an earlier date (and is a geologist), does not agree it was more than a few centuries before Khafre, certainly not thousands of years.
While traditional Egyptologists claims on the age and builders of the great pyramid and Sphinx stand on a shaky foundation I will not say they are 10,000 years or older. What I will say is the continuity of astronomical knowledge used and encoded into the structures most defiantly go back to 10,000 BC at bare minimum. Their knowledge of the procession of the equinox, celestial events and cycles point to tens of thousands of years of observation which began outside the Nile Valley in places like the Nabta Playa Stone Circle and “Inzalo y’Langa”, or The Birthplace of The Sun” also called Adams calendar. The civlziation also began long before 3100 BC.
John Antony west was of the opinion that the sphinx was 38,000 thousand years old. He believes the sphinx was housed under the constellation of Leo but not when Leo was last housing the sphinx prior to the last precessional cycle. He believes it was the precessional cycle 26,000 year prior to the last time the sphinx was housed by the Leo constellation. It’s an interesting theory, he talks in depth about how it lines up with Egyptian kings list that dates to around that time. He presents a lot more interesting ideas that ties it all together.
@@Manbearpig4456 Def believe John Antony west's theory has more credibility then traditional egyptologists. I agree with Robert Bouval and Thomas Brophy's theory of 12,000 to 20,000 years old. Hopefully in our lifetime there will be more discoveries that will verify these theories.
Hi Wes, utmost respect. I'm an astrophysicist who will gladly listen and chat with flat-earthers and young-earthers, and weigh all evidence. The thing about the 12k date is there is a strange alignment across the board with many different events: - the layout of the sphinx and pyramids coinciding with constellations subject to half an axial precession (which is 24k years, discovered by Ptolemy) - the dating of the neolithic age at 12k years / neolithic is invention of metallurgy / Book of Enoch connects the invention of metallurgy with the global flood. - the younger dryas flood is dated at 12k years, and was the last global flood as far as I am aware. - the dating of Gobekli Tepe, the oldest excavated site between the Tigris and Euphrates. - Plato & Solon's dating of Atlantis So there is a strange alignment of dates at 12k from various sources. Not to give credit to any of them. Not to say this event must have happened at the year -10,000 Gregorian calendar subject to our SI units of one day. There are always more things to consider, like possibilities of changes of length of a day, or time dilation, errors in dating, or planetary bodies like red-dwarf stars passing through our solar system 50kya ... any of many other options. I think the alignment could be a good source of historic evidence of the stories of Genesis 1-10.
Graham Hancock claims that the Great Pyramid is around 10,500 years old. He argues that during that time, the pyramid was precisely aligned with the constellation Leo, which happens to resemble a lion. This alignment also supports the theory that the Egyptians simply recarved the head of an existing lion to create the sphinx. What do you think about this claim?
@@noahelson1869 Coordinates of the Great Pyramid of Giza: 29.9792458°N. The speed of light : 299,792,458 m/s. People called this a coincidence but how much chance that egyptians just randomly built a massive stone structure in the middle of the desert and conicidently had it match the coordinates which itself matched the speed of light?
@@ichoozjc chance is the pre-flood civilization ( Atlantis perhaps) was pretty advanced, even more advanced than we are today. They know the measurement of the Earth, coordinates and all kind of stuff. The Egyptians just inherritated the Pyramid, several buildings and artifacts after the pre-flood civilization was destroyed.
I agree with you with pretty much everything but on this there actually is flood marks on the sphinx almost all the way up it there's water damage on it. I was thinking it was from the great flood but I didn't know the Nile flooded so maybe that's what caused the water damage on which would make it older then whenever the Nile flooded.
The Sphinx spent thousands of years under sand. Robert Schoch research found that the erosion on the enclosure wall would take thousands of years of water erosion. The sphinx itself is heavily eroded and has been restored.
@@exwarrigualsaing1442 also the same heavy rain erosion is found on the blocks taken from the sphinx enclosure that were used to build the sphinx and valley temples. There are a few other cites on the plateau that are attributed to a much earlier times that the dynastic Egyptians built on top of. Very much like the sphinx and valley temples they show clear signs of restoration and a different building technique that is not as advanced as what would be the original structures. Why do the other structures at the plateau built at the time of the sphinx not show the same erosion?
Mmm. This doesn't really debunk the water mark theory that argues the Sphinx is much older than 5K years old. Locals and egyptologists also believe the Sphinx and Giza to be older than Egyptian history.
Hi, Wes. You should reach out to Dr. Falk, on RUclips as Ancient Egypt and the Bible. He is an Egyptologist, an archaeologist, and has work in biblical studies. I think you two could do great work together on topics such as this.
A bigger problem for you on this is the fact that a 9000 year old ostrich egg was found depicting the pyramids on it, as well as the nile and richat structure. Unfortunately those water level analysis from the modern academia types is likely way off
_a 9000 year old ostrich egg was found depicting the pyramids on it, as well as the nile and richat structure._ The egg is likely ~7,000 yrs old due to the grave it was found in (the egg has not been C14 dated, although some claim it has). Further, the geometric design is so abstract that the three triangles claimed to be the Giza Pyramids are much more likely to be decoration. To claim the egg shows the Richat Structure is absurd.
@ 7000 years, thanks. Everything else is cope. The triangles arent just random shapes, they have horizontal line across them indicating a structure, the lines next to it closely match the profile of the nile. And the concentric rings literally ONLY match the richat structure in Africa. Nowhere else in africa do you find these patterns that the egg shows. It’s actually pretty obvious and you have to be coping shill to deny it. Keep living in an echo chamber
@@TankUni This is cope. The triangles are clearly structures on the egg, next to a line with a similar profile as the nile. But im sure its just a doodle 🤣
@@freddurstedgebono6029 There are two sets of triangles on the egg. The second has another shape to the right that looks like a tomahawk ribeye steak. It's also difficult to equate the line to what's known of the Nile's profile at the time. If this is a rudimentary map (which is doubtful to begin with), isn't it more likely to be referencing local landmarks such as mountains, rather than monuments hundreds of miles away? The triangles are far too abstract to equate them to the Giza Pyramids (leaving aside the good reasons why those monuments didn't exist at the time), and don't much represent the height difference between the tombs, except the one on the right is biggest. Note there are other eggs from the Dakkar cemetery, showing similar abstract geometric patterning - it was the local style.
@ bro there are definitely 3 triangles. Now you’re just blatantly lying. Smh. They have horizontal lines across them indicating they’re a structure. The 3 concentric rings on the egg match only one spot in all of Africa, the richat structure, which matches over a dozen details found in Plato’s description of the capital city of Atlantis Also the pyramids arent tombs. Nothing has been found in them to even come close to indicating they’re tombs
This is SO helpful! The person who Carson refers to as "Anthony West" is actually John Anthony West. I was *obsessed* with him and his book Serpent in the Sky when I was in the occult. I even wrote him a song about him and sent it to him. 🥴 Sigh. Thank you for addressing this claim!
So the sphinx couldn't be older than 5000 years old because limestone disintegrates underwater for prolonged periods and the bedrock the sphinx is carved out of was underwater for 6000 years. Am I the only one seeing the huge flaw in this logic?
It was made from an outcropping of bedrock. If the floods would have washed the sphinx away why didn’t it wash away the outcropping of rock to begin with?
@@martinfromlosangeles There's was only one great flood -- Noah's flood. To help you place events when they happened here are some key timeline: 1) Pre-Flood - mankind 1.0; giants abounded on earth; Anunnaki present 2) 3298 BC - The Great Flood; population 8 people (Noah & wife; Shem, Ham, Japheth & their wives) re-populated mankind 2.0; kingdom of Ararat (region near Mt. Ararat in modern-day eastern Turkey) 3) 3200 BC - World pop. about 800 people; Nimrod at 25 y/o migrated southward and founded Babel/Eridu; built Eridu temples 4) 3000 BC - World pop. about 300,000 people; Nimrod at 225 y/o founded Nineveh; built more Eridu temples; Sumer /Mesopotamia civilization began to flourish 5) c. 2900 BC - Gilgamesh, young king of Sumerian city-state of Uruk sought out his ancestor Ut-napištim (Noah) to learn the secret of eternal life 6) 2850 BC - World pop. about 12 million people; Nimrod at 375 y/o built tower of Babel in Shinar (modern-day Iraq); tower destroyed before it could be completed; only spoken language (Sumerian?) suddenly confounded and new languages emerged; people formed new tribes /clans and scattered throughout earth and founded new nations 7) 2750 BC - Egyptian Dynasty 1 founded by Menes/Narmer (Nimrod?) after unification of Upper & Lower Egypt 8) 2725 BC - Nimrod died at 500 y/o 9) 2660 BC - First pyramid built by Pharaoh Djoser of Dynasty 3 called Stepped Pyramid at Saqqara featuring hieroglyphs /pictograms 10) 2600 BC - Pharaoh Sneferu, 1st king of Dynasty 4, built three pyramids - Bent, Meidum & Red Pyramid. (In Peru, Caral Pyramids were built.) 11) 2580 BC - Pharaoh Khufu, 2nd king of Dynasty 4, built the Great Pyramid at Giza
Cyprus has the oldest found cat burials alongside humans dated almost 10,000 years ago. Somebody liked cats enough from then to now to build the Sphinx.
Id like to know what he thinks about all the megalithic structures around the world. The ones with the protrusion on the stones and how the stones connect?? Im thinking before the flood..
Can you do a video about the destruction of the nose of the sphinx and maybe offer some insight into why that happened. great historians like Dr Yosef Ben-Jochannan discus this in great depth. His work was very well recognised and he had direct access to a lot of the stolen and destroyed artifacts. If love to have seen you both in a debate.
The sphinx is believed to have been built just after the Tower of Babel incident (~2000 BC) by the first rulers who migrated there from Babylon. They called it "He who is in the horizon" in reference to Nimrod (who was still their god-king) and it is looking directly to where Nimrod's Island palace used to be.
So I guess a PhD in geology and geophysics isn't as well informed as you are about what water erosion would look like on the sphinx. Perhaps the people who wrote that study should have an open debate with Robert shock
A counter to this is whether or not the sphinx was already in an enclosure behind walls which stopped floodwater getting in? I don't know if there was or not, just thinking out loud
Why do people think that ALL archeologists should know ABSOLUTLY everything about their conspiracies and wild ideas. Just because WE do not know who and how the ancient wonders were made, we shouldn't make it up!
Love your content but I think there’s a bit more nuance here. I don’t have access to the same databases you do, but world of antiquity put out a great analysis of some of the discord between geologists on this topic. Might be worth a look. Do you have any opinions on what structures are still around today that you think might be antediluvian?
@@freethesheepn7400 I actually think there’s more than enough evidence to put the body older than the current head - I think that’s entirely plausible. I just don’t think the rainfall erosion argument trying to push it 12k years adds up. But yes, I agree World of Antiquity has great content on this (and other) topics as it relates to alternative history proponents.I think where he and I would agree is that whatever the case, the Sphinx is still tied to Dynastic Egypt even if the body and head may come from different Kingdoms of Ancient Egyptian history. As for antediluvian structures I wouldn’t want to say anything over definitively one way or the other as I’d have to look at more of the multivalent work on the dates and plausible explanations.
Great points. I think he’s a little too skeptical sometimes but I do enjoy his stuff. Loved your debate with Billy Carson btw. I think your channel will really take off soon. You should do more collabs with inspiring philosophy. You guys cover a lot of the same stuff.
@@WesHuffHi Wes, some claim that Ignatius quoted Gnostic Ptolemy's works, which passages of Ignatian epistles do they claim quotes Gnostic Ptolemy? Are they the ones where Ignatius refers to Docetists?
@@WesHuffif you think dr pounding stones has great content on the sphinx I’m not surprised your out of depth little boy on the subject matter. Did pounding stones cite that paper for you?
Isn’t the edge of the green band in Egypt the edge of the old river sediment that makes the ground fertile from the Nile of old. Wouldn’t that put the sphinx directly on the edge of the old river? Also this is upstream of the new dams and the ocean level was 400 feet lower then. Would be interested to see to those articles you referenced.
We don’t, the paper he is taking about was heavily criticised for ignoring topography makers to form its opinion. They know the Nile flooded and that’s about it really. The extent of how far and deep the water was isn’t known. The paper he cites also ignored counter evidence of ancient dams and water management of the area and also missed ancient rivers that are no longer there which is a clear sign the area wouldn’t have been covered by water. One thing we know about the ancients, they were masters of water management.
Context is important here. The Dixon relics, which comprised of a stone ball, copper hook and piece of cedar wood (probably part of the hook's handle), were found stashed separately in the small N/S shafts in the Queen's Chamber. The wood was C14 dated to ~500 yrs before Khufu. But it's important to consider that these are portable objects, not part of the structure. Also, C14 dating gives when the wood stopped growing, not when it was carved into shape. In contrast, C14 dating of charcoal found in the mortar used in the pyramid's construction - which is an integral building material - roughly dates to Khufu's time, but the range of dates for these samples may again be earlier due to the possible use of old wood scraps by the Egyptians.
Hey brother, can you post a link to those studies you reference? From my own research, it appears that while the Nile's volume and coverage was greatly increased during the AHP, it's coverage mostly increased towards the east bank (which is at a lower elevation I believe, so it makes sense). The sphinx at that time does not appear to be in direct contact with the nile, but it does appear to be in the flood zone. This would seem to indicate that it is indeed older as Graham Hancock and Robert Schoch claim as the water spilling over into the enclosure during those periods of flooding would create those erosion marks. God bless!
Jason from archaix was the 1st person I thought of when I saw this video title. He has a website and is a published author. References, citations, etc seem to be of utmost importance to him as well as chronology.
@@Wanker527I didn't know Wesley Huff existed until ARCHAIX recommended him to his own subscribers. He's a chronologist. He's always open to being corrected and fact checked. Doesn't claim to know it all and is open to constructive criticism.
I’m really glad I found you via the Billy Carson conversation. But not for that reason, I always took what he said with a grain of salt. However, people like Ammon Hillman are gaining a lot of traction and you’re the only person I’m aware of that is educated enough in classical Greek to properly debate him. I’ve been looking for another opinion on what Jesus was doing with a boy in the park at 4am. I doubt you’ll see this but if it’s meant to be you will, and if that’s the case, could you please do a video on that? I’ve since subscribed to your channel as I’d like to hear your take on these controversial books cause you’re not coming from a place of trying to “disprove” like I feel Ammon is. You and him are almost antithetical to one another lol.
Check out one of the recent videos from Ancient Architects. He did some great research into what the Sphinx could have originally looked like based on the Narmer tablet and some other finds. It's definitely not 12,000 years old, but it is very possible it predated the 4th Dynasty by a few hundred years.
Hey brother, could you post a link to those studies you referenced? All the studies i've seen indicate that the sphinx was not in direct contact with the Nile river during the humid pyramid, but that it WAS in the flood zone. It seems that the increased volume of water primarily increased the coverage of the nile on the east bank, which is at a lower elevation I believe (makes sense to me). This would seem to be evidence for the older than established age of the sphinx, as the erosion marks could have come from flood waters frequently spilling over into the enclosure during those periods of flooding.
Wes you’ve been crushing it! Believe me I’d been praying for you to get that debate with Billy Carson, you did a great job. I’d love for you to share your thoughts on the studies from Paul Wallis. He also does videos on The 5th Kind channel. Particularly the one about YHWH not being the heavenly Father. He points out how Jesus never mentions Him. And says His character is different along with many convincing points.
Hey, do you believe the Idea of the Israelites also being of Canaanite creates some form of contradiction in scripture? Especially with regards to Abraham's place of birth and the Exodus? Love to here your thoughts
I wonder how many more podcasts Billy is gonna do citing illegitimate documents as legit evidence. Much respect to you Wes for giving him the respect he DIDNT deserve based on his blatant ill statements to Christianity. ✝️✝️✝️✝️
I have a question because in the book of genesis when it goes down the family line to Noah when you take all of their ages and add them up it comes out to roughly 12,000 years which matches up with other civilizations stories about a great flood taking place so therefore does that not validate the claims of ancient civilizations?
@Tombstonedd, Biblical archaeologist Steven Rudd of The Shiloh Excavations had arrived at the conclusion that Creation date was 5554 B.C. The great flood happened in 3298 B.C. And the tower of Babel was built and destroyed in 2850 B.C. This timeline would help greatly to mark the milestones of world /human history. After the flood, the first civilization of mankind 2.0 starting with 8 people would be the kingdom of Ararat located at and around Mt. Ararat (modern-day Turkey). The second would be the Sumer /Mesopotamia civilization after Nimrod at 25 y/o in 3200 B.C. had migrated South and founded Babel/Eridu (modern-day Iraq) followed by many others. World pop. was estimated to be about 800 people. From a single-language civilization ... new languages, new tribes and new nations only emerged after the tower of Babel was destroyed in 2850 B.C., and world pop. was estimated to be about 12 million people.
You can’t add the ages back to back. If you go by Genesis chapter 5 Adam had lived 130 years when his son Seth was born - the side issue, not answered in the Bible, is Adam living 130 years from when? The time he was created fully as a fully formed man, or from another date? Anyway, Adam lived on for another 800 years, but in this context that is not relevant because Seth lived 105 years old and he became a father … and so on. If one adds up the time in this way it is 1056 years until Noah is born - thereafter, according top Genesis chapter 7 the flood arrived when Noah was 600 years old. What we don’t know is how long the earth had existed when Adam was created. It is also not clear, from the Bible account whether there were other people on the earth, also created by God … but, from when Adam’s years started to be counted until the flood is 1656 years.
@@mitchelldenny1966 We know exactly how long Adam had existed since the Earth was created because the accurate historical account that we have very clearly says everything. Now if somebody chooses to not believe the truth then he or she is going to be flat out of luck as far as knowing what happened when. If one accepts Genesis as the accurate historical account given by someone who was there then one will know that the Earth was created in six 24 days and exactly what happened on exactly what day
according to thomas brophy, phd, astrophysicist, in his archeoastronomy book, "the origin map", the giza plateau constituted an observation field from the neolithic period from 12k bc from the same time period as nabta playa. giza was then built up during the dynastic period maintaining the sightlines. the 12k bc explosion of monumental sightlines was precipitated by a visible large relativistic jet emanating from the center of the milkyway sagittarius a* that persisted for hundreds if not thousands of years, because this is the only possible way the ancients would have been able to determine the galactic center. the book contains the data and astronomical correction values for celestial regression calculations to that period for anyone wishing to verify the calculations and data
this actually is a good argument.. i never did think about that. before they dammed the nile it would have seasonal flooding and ive never actually heard anyone use that argument for the erosion in sphinx encloser. idk why joe is calling it the temple lol
Yes, the Sphinx is only one of several gigantic monuments in Egypt, Africa and are thousands of years old. The carvings in and around the enormous pyramids which are also thousands of years old have much to tell in the way of ancient civilization which is in direct contrast to biblical history. Yes, the sphinx and the pyramids are as old and as real as it gets. People need to visit Egypt to experience the immense power of existence and history they exude.
What did you think of Dr. Robert M. Schoch's work which kicked off this debate. Here is what he said in a 1992 article, "Based on the data, I've concluded that the Sphinx was built in stages. The Egyptians carved the core of the Sphinx--the front and sides--first, in at least 5000 B.C. and perhaps earlier. Later, possibly in Khafre's time, workers chiseled out the rear of the Sphinx and recarved the head. No one knows what the original head looked like; many observers consider the current head too small for the body, and it shows signs of more recent cut marks than does the body. Furthermore, it has long been suggested that the face of the Sphinx portrays Khafre, but this assumption has recently been questioned."
@@DewayneOh6 I think 4-5k years is more reasonable for the body than his recent change to saying it corresponds closer to the date of gobekli tepe and somewhere around 12k years. The former date was at least based on a more reasonable evidence-led approach, the latter appears to be driven by ideological and sensationalistic motivations.
@@WesHuff The media and general public often misrepresent research, so they would definitely gravitate to the earliest part of his estimated range. Still, I don't think Schoch would be so wreckless with his academic credibility. He has taken a lot of heat even before his change to his latest estimate. Thanks, I enjoyed the topic!
@@WesHuff explain why the pyramids do not show rain induced erosion but the sphinx enclosure, the sphinx and the valley temples do? You do know that paper you referred to is laughed at as it’s basically pseudoscience ignoring multiple topography reports. Manu seyfzadeh tore that paper to shreds. It would appear your out of your depth and don’t know what your actually talking about
Hey Wes, would be good to know your perspective of why you are not Catholic. I am a protestant myself confuse of what is the true, and would be great to know the perspective from a hostorian like you.
So how do we, lay people, receive access to these databases with the research that you are able to reference? I mean this sincerely. I don't trust Google, and I'm certainty not rich enough to go to a secular college, or even a Bible College. But personally i don't think you need a college degree to do your own research, just not certain where to get accurate information from those who have studied the evidence with no biases
Geological analysis of the Sphinx clearly suggests something is off with the conventional dating. I find a lot of what you state is reasonable but you are wrong here.
Wes I like how you have debunked Billy Carson, but I believe the Sphinx which was originally a lion, was built before the Great Flood during the Age of Leo based on its alignment to the stars back then.
Absolute nonsense! You haven’t answered the main point of the discussion and didn’t address the fact that the original Lion head that was facing the constellation of Leo had been replaced by a smaller head that doesn’t match the geometric proportions to the body.
Wes I just joined and this topic is along with the human remains being found that go back well before this time do have one asking many questions. With your knowledge and age it would be nice to have you do a podcast with Rogan and or Graham Hancock. There are so many questions regarding the pyramids, especially in Turkey. I believe you could play and integral part in getting answers to theses questions. I do not see why Christianity would be questioned and if its was I'm sure you would figure it out.
That is assuming the research that says the sphinx enclosure was submerged for 6k years is correct in that particular claim. However if that truly is the case the rain water erosion that would take thousands of years to occur still needs to be explained? That hypothesis is also based on geological scientific research. It can not be dismissed just because the other research says something different. Don't agree on this one but otherwise great channel and all the best to you Wes!
Also the sphinx was carved from an outcropping of bedrock but according to Wes the Nile flooding would wash it away yet it still remained then they carved the sphinx. Guys actually deluded, he won’t even discuss the books the bible has hidden from the Dead Sea scrolls
hmmm ... interestin point of view ... give us some evidence why there is erosion from water there and explain us in more details about ur theory coz this short video is just a claim that anyone can say
Hey Wes just came across your channel through another video. Subbed and needless to say, I'm looking forward to going through your backlog of videos and future content. If Joe Rogan invited you out to his podcast, would you do it? I highly doubt he would for the simple fact it seems your able to debunk his and quite a few of his friends beliefs/opinions
After watching your debate with Billy and how respectful you were, you have a new subscriber. Joe Rogan needs to get you on, but you speak the truth so I doubt it will happen
This is some interesting evidence! Can you link one of the studies? I’m interested in how they know that would be the exact path of the Nile at that time and the related details. Not out of doubt btw hah I just want to know how it’s done! Thanks
The erosion happened then it was buried in sand for a long time. Why is the head smaller than the body, the proportion is all off. It's very likely that is not the original head. Also compare the workmanship of the head compared to the body, notice the difference in erosion. Wouldn't it make sense to create a lion effigy in the time of Leo pointing to that constellation to date the project. Same for the dateing of the great pyramid. No hiroglyphic or mummy were ever found in the great pyramid. In The king's chamber the so called tomb is very small for a body and just so happens to line up with the dimensions of the ark of the covenant. I'm not that religious but that is a very strange coincidence? No?
Well, anyone can see that the erosion is caused by rain. Robert Scoch, I believe, was one of the first to investigate this, and he has a more conservative estimate of about 9,000 years old.
I don’t know if can agree with what you just said rain erosion and river or running water erosion are different. And I was thinking that the geologist can tell the difference better than you. But i do like your videos.
The Kemet pyramids built by Jah original people (blacks Amos 9:7) is more than 20,000 years old according to water erosion signs by the Lion of Judah sphinx. The pyramids are also defined as a monument to God in ISAIAH 19:19
I don't know if you read these comments but I was wondering if you could do a video providing insight to the text "refutations to all heresies" by Irenious thank you kindly
We need to get you on Rogan somehow
Absolutely.
Why?
@@ayoutuber3116because for once someone who actually speaks truth will get a big flat form
I feel like the Joe Rogan experience works for people with parallel ideas.. not actual facts about this reality
also have Graham Hancock on Joe Rogan to counter the argument
I just watched your debate with Mr. Carson, and that was a masterful performance on your part. You were very respectful, patient, and knowledgeable. It was unfortunate and disrespectful that Billy didn't even tell you goodbye. New subscriber👍
It felt like Wes was kindergarten techear
Same, well played
We clearly saw who the scholar was!
Billy did give a kind of goodbye, it was just hard to hear over the talking. He said something along the lines of "Thanks Wes". I'm paraphrasing of course because I don't remember word for word.
ditto!
Hey Wes, this gives me an idea for short form content you can make. You can make shorts to address each of Billy Carson's outlandish claims.
Great idea, I think Wes will blow up with more shorts. He might be one of the most articulate Christians on the web.
7 days later...wow how true these things came to past 😂😂
I am so glad I saw this! I’ve been wanting someone to correct him for a very long time! Satan had him winning for a while gaining popularity! It’s so absurd what he confidentially says and how he swayed many away from God. That is simple research he could have done, and it makes me wonder how much of the other things he says are inaccurate!
@kittiecommittie look up ANTON WISBISKI youtube channel. He shows proof that Billy Carson, whose real birth name was William Carson, has been arrested for possession of cocaine and has stolen thousands of people of their money and made false claims about Christianity. Let's pray to our Lord Jesus Christ "billy" repents.
Yes, please and I am and will be here for it!!! Finally happening, yay!!
I am so delighted to see your subscriber number rising every time I click on a vid! Praise the Lord.
Thank you for all you’re doing, Wes. Praying for you from the east end of TO!
Honestly i would really like to see a longer video on this topic but i understand if not.
Me too.
It doesn’t deserve a longer video honestly,it’s just not that deep ,it’s honestly more boring than you think.its false prophet that made a religion on this because Freemasons pay for this to be pushed as a religion
There is not really much more to say, unless you want him to read the studies on camera.
But you could just do that yourself.
How about list the studies in the description.
@@black_horse_lover2655 you mean the study that got laughed at by anyone interested in the subject for ignoring data, only accounting for certain makers on the topography on the plateau and ignoring the evidence of ancient dams and water management. Pity Wes is a fan of pseudoscience
Fair point. But why not address their point directly as well? Why is there so much apparent erosion around the sphinx enclosure if it is 5000 yrs old?
Exactly. Especially when compared to the quarried walls from KNOWN times.
The sphinx itself is heavily eroded. It has been restored for thousands of years. Just because Wes embarrassed Bill Carson, and Billy Carson talks about the sphinx being 10,000 years or older. Doesn't discredit that claim, the Sphinx Enclosure is a dilemma, mainstream archeologists will say it was the Nile flooding or straight up wind erosion. But it spent thousands of years under sand. Robert Schoch risked his academic career but he's right.
the global flood perhaps?
@@ftsomalanyeah I was thinking global flood also, it would submerge most the phinx
@@Sam-oo6wy you say smug, I see a confident Christian.
The Nile water level was only high during flooding 10,000 to 15,000 which would support the hypothesis of the sphinx being older. The data you refer to is for flood levels not constant levels.
Thanks for the billy debate i almost was duped by darth vader
I have a feeling your social media stuff is going to start getting big as you delve more into the debate stuff, just remeber to always stay true and unbaised as you always have.
Yes and he has been obviously paid to do this video.
,by whom?
@@anoniemoes4879Yep! You hit the nail on the head with that one, Bot! A 6k-view RUclips video was paid for by someone, but I don’t know who, and neither do you. You’re very smart.
@@anoniemoes4879 And you are paid to comment on this video.
@@stealths15 nope.
I just found your channel today and then learned that Jason Breshear from Archaix recently invited you to talk. I hope you accept. I know that will be a deep discussion and much appreciated from people who have learning disorders, etc... who aren't capable of researching & interpreting like you both do. Thank You!
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Im not smart enough to understand all of this but its still fascinating. Thank you for all your hard work and dedication for kingdom building Wes.
Yeah, this video was unconvincing. Sedimentation could have covered the body of the Sphinx between 11,000 and 5,000 years ago thus preventing its 'disintegration'. Later generations could have excavated, then repurposed the site, or the inundation of the area with river water may not have even happened as described here. Likewise, the Nile River is only about 30 feet deep thus a redirection of the river would not have fully submerged the 66' tall artifact as shown in the illustration. Ultimately, this is a geological and climatological puzzle with professional scientists having no unanimity of opinion for the assertions provided by the videographer. One of the key arguments against the 12,000-year-old Sphinx hypothesis has been the lack of evidence for the necessary technological advancement of early Neolithic people to build the alleged proto-Sphinx structure. The discovery of the Gobekli Tepe site has vanquished this argument. Ultimately, we are just scratching the surface for understanding early human societies.
Good comment. I agree with the points you are making here and my personal opinion, based on the weathering, is that it must be far older than the dynastic era.
If we're going back to the African Humid Period, the Nile would not have been what it is today. Scientists have estimated it would have had a flow similar to today's Amazon and have been subject to highly energetic flooding. Erosion on the Sphinx is inconclusive as to its age and it's more likely that at best, it may be a couple of centuries older than Khafre.
@@TankUni I can find a half dozen professional geologists who've studied the issue who would disagree with everything you just wrote. You'd best be careful when you throw around a phrase like "scientists" as if they're a monolith.
@@viper2148 _You'd best be careful when you throw around a phrase like "scientists" as if they're a monolith._
As opposed to your half dozen geologists?
The reason I said 'scientists' is that it's scientists who have worked on the African Humid Period and concluded it was a time of much higher rainfall and large, energetic river flows in upper Africa, including that of the Nile. There's a lot of papers available online about it - papers published by scientists.
I suspect you're actually upset about my calling erosion on the Sphinx (and its enclosure), inconclusive evidence for a much earlier date for construction. But it is, else there would be much greater agreement over the issue. It's also worth noting that Robert Schoch, who did much to promote an earlier date (and is a geologist), does not agree it was more than a few centuries before Khafre, certainly not thousands of years.
@@TankUni calm down Francis.
this guy is about to explode i think
While traditional Egyptologists claims on the age and builders of the great pyramid and Sphinx stand on a shaky foundation I will not say they are 10,000 years or older. What I will say is the continuity of astronomical knowledge used and encoded into the structures most defiantly go back to 10,000 BC at bare minimum. Their knowledge of the procession of the equinox, celestial events and cycles point to tens of thousands of years of observation which began outside the Nile Valley in places like the Nabta Playa Stone Circle and “Inzalo y’Langa”, or The Birthplace of The Sun” also called Adams calendar. The civlziation also began long before 3100 BC.
John Antony west was of the opinion that the sphinx was 38,000 thousand years old. He believes the sphinx was housed under the constellation of Leo but not when Leo was last housing the sphinx prior to the last precessional cycle. He believes it was the precessional cycle 26,000 year prior to the last time the sphinx was housed by the Leo constellation. It’s an interesting theory, he talks in depth about how it lines up with Egyptian kings list that dates to around that time. He presents a lot more interesting ideas that ties it all together.
@@Manbearpig4456 Def believe John Antony west's theory has more credibility then traditional egyptologists. I agree with Robert Bouval and Thomas Brophy's theory of 12,000 to 20,000 years old. Hopefully in our lifetime there will be more discoveries that will verify these theories.
Hi Wes, utmost respect. I'm an astrophysicist who will gladly listen and chat with flat-earthers and young-earthers, and weigh all evidence.
The thing about the 12k date is there is a strange alignment across the board with many different events:
- the layout of the sphinx and pyramids coinciding with constellations subject to half an axial precession (which is 24k years, discovered by Ptolemy)
- the dating of the neolithic age at 12k years / neolithic is invention of metallurgy / Book of Enoch connects the invention of metallurgy with the global flood.
- the younger dryas flood is dated at 12k years, and was the last global flood as far as I am aware.
- the dating of Gobekli Tepe, the oldest excavated site between the Tigris and Euphrates.
- Plato & Solon's dating of Atlantis
So there is a strange alignment of dates at 12k from various sources.
Not to give credit to any of them. Not to say this event must have happened at the year -10,000 Gregorian calendar subject to our SI units of one day. There are always more things to consider, like possibilities of changes of length of a day, or time dilation, errors in dating, or planetary bodies like red-dwarf stars passing through our solar system 50kya ... any of many other options.
I think the alignment could be a good source of historic evidence of the stories of Genesis 1-10.
Graham Hancock claims that the Great Pyramid is around 10,500 years old. He argues that during that time, the pyramid was precisely aligned with the constellation Leo, which happens to resemble a lion. This alignment also supports the theory that the Egyptians simply recarved the head of an existing lion to create the sphinx. What do you think about this claim?
He literally said that its unlikely as big part of that time the sphinx would be submerged and would be damaged by water
@@danyboon4851he only seemed to address the water damage claims, not its correlation to its alignment to the constellation of Leo 10,500 years ago.
@@noahelson1869 Coordinates of the Great Pyramid of Giza: 29.9792458°N. The speed of light : 299,792,458 m/s. People called this a coincidence but how much chance that egyptians just randomly built a massive stone structure in the middle of the desert and conicidently had it match the coordinates which itself matched the speed of light?
@@indigard2747it is a pretty cool fact. But how did they know the measurements in meters and seconds if neither were even in use yet? Time travel?
@@ichoozjc chance is the pre-flood civilization ( Atlantis perhaps) was pretty advanced, even more advanced than we are today. They know the measurement of the Earth, coordinates and all kind of stuff. The Egyptians just inherritated the Pyramid, several buildings and artifacts after the pre-flood civilization was destroyed.
I agree with you with pretty much everything but on this there actually is flood marks on the sphinx almost all the way up it there's water damage on it. I was thinking it was from the great flood but I didn't know the Nile flooded so maybe that's what caused the water damage on which would make it older then whenever the Nile flooded.
The Sphinx spent thousands of years under sand. Robert Schoch research found that the erosion on the enclosure wall would take thousands of years of water erosion. The sphinx itself is heavily eroded and has been restored.
@@exwarrigualsaing1442 also the same heavy rain erosion is found on the blocks taken from the sphinx enclosure that were used to build the sphinx and valley temples. There are a few other cites on the plateau that are attributed to a much earlier times that the dynastic Egyptians built on top of. Very much like the sphinx and valley temples they show clear signs of restoration and a different building technique that is not as advanced as what would be the original structures. Why do the other structures at the plateau built at the time of the sphinx not show the same erosion?
Mmm. This doesn't really debunk the water mark theory that argues the Sphinx is much older than 5K years old. Locals and egyptologists also believe the Sphinx and Giza to be older than Egyptian history.
Hi, Wes. You should reach out to Dr. Falk, on RUclips as Ancient Egypt and the Bible. He is an Egyptologist, an archaeologist, and has work in biblical studies. I think you two could do great work together on topics such as this.
Thank you for this info.
A bigger problem for you on this is the fact that a 9000 year old ostrich egg was found depicting the pyramids on it, as well as the nile and richat structure. Unfortunately those water level analysis from the modern academia types is likely way off
_a 9000 year old ostrich egg was found depicting the pyramids on it, as well as the nile and richat structure._
The egg is likely ~7,000 yrs old due to the grave it was found in (the egg has not been C14 dated, although some claim it has).
Further, the geometric design is so abstract that the three triangles claimed to be the Giza Pyramids are much more likely to be decoration.
To claim the egg shows the Richat Structure is absurd.
@ 7000 years, thanks.
Everything else is cope. The triangles arent just random shapes, they have horizontal line across them indicating a structure, the lines next to it closely match the profile of the nile. And the concentric rings literally ONLY match the richat structure in Africa. Nowhere else in africa do you find these patterns that the egg shows. It’s actually pretty obvious and you have to be coping shill to deny it. Keep living in an echo chamber
@@TankUni This is cope. The triangles are clearly structures on the egg, next to a line with a similar profile as the nile. But im sure its just a doodle 🤣
@@freddurstedgebono6029 There are two sets of triangles on the egg. The second has another shape to the right that looks like a tomahawk ribeye steak. It's also difficult to equate the line to what's known of the Nile's profile at the time. If this is a rudimentary map (which is doubtful to begin with), isn't it more likely to be referencing local landmarks such as mountains, rather than monuments hundreds of miles away? The triangles are far too abstract to equate them to the Giza Pyramids (leaving aside the good reasons why those monuments didn't exist at the time), and don't much represent the height difference between the tombs, except the one on the right is biggest. Note there are other eggs from the Dakkar cemetery, showing similar abstract geometric patterning - it was the local style.
@ bro there are definitely 3 triangles. Now you’re just blatantly lying. Smh. They have horizontal lines across them indicating they’re a structure. The 3 concentric rings on the egg match only one spot in all of Africa, the richat structure, which matches over a dozen details found in Plato’s description of the capital city of Atlantis
Also the pyramids arent tombs. Nothing has been found in them to even come close to indicating they’re tombs
As a new fan of your channel mate, I’m going to disagree with you on this, by all means, means keep debunking Billy Carson.
Auld Wes in well out of his depth on this one
Absolutely loving all these videos
This is SO helpful! The person who Carson refers to as "Anthony West" is actually John Anthony West. I was *obsessed* with him and his book Serpent in the Sky when I was in the occult. I even wrote him a song about him and sent it to him. 🥴 Sigh. Thank you for addressing this claim!
So the sphinx couldn't be older than 5000 years old because limestone disintegrates underwater for prolonged periods and the bedrock the sphinx is carved out of was underwater for 6000 years. Am I the only one seeing the huge flaw in this logic?
It was made from an outcropping of bedrock. If the floods would have washed the sphinx away why didn’t it wash away the outcropping of rock to begin with?
Love you brother Wes. Keep up the great work.
I think the Sphynx was built before the flood and the post flood Egyptians found it.
@paplloteBoy, Pharaoh Khufu, 2nd king of Dynasty 4, built the Great Pyramid at Giza in 2580 B.C. And the great Flood happened in 3298 B.C.
Which great flood?
@@iaam8141 Nope, those narcissists would never build something without honoring themselves!
@@martinfromlosangeles There's was only one great flood -- Noah's flood.
To help you place events when they happened here are some key timeline:
1) Pre-Flood - mankind 1.0; giants abounded on earth; Anunnaki present
2) 3298 BC - The Great Flood; population 8 people (Noah & wife; Shem, Ham, Japheth & their wives) re-populated mankind 2.0; kingdom of Ararat (region near Mt. Ararat in modern-day eastern Turkey)
3) 3200 BC - World pop. about 800 people; Nimrod at 25 y/o migrated southward and founded Babel/Eridu; built Eridu temples
4) 3000 BC - World pop. about 300,000 people; Nimrod at 225 y/o founded Nineveh; built more Eridu temples; Sumer /Mesopotamia civilization began to flourish
5) c. 2900 BC - Gilgamesh, young king of Sumerian city-state of Uruk sought out his ancestor Ut-napištim (Noah) to learn the secret of eternal life
6) 2850 BC - World pop. about 12 million people; Nimrod at 375 y/o built tower of Babel in Shinar (modern-day Iraq); tower destroyed before it could be completed; only spoken language (Sumerian?) suddenly confounded and new languages emerged; people formed new tribes /clans and scattered throughout earth and founded new nations
7) 2750 BC - Egyptian Dynasty 1 founded by Menes/Narmer (Nimrod?) after unification of Upper & Lower Egypt
8) 2725 BC - Nimrod died at 500 y/o
9) 2660 BC - First pyramid built by Pharaoh Djoser of Dynasty 3 called Stepped Pyramid at Saqqara featuring hieroglyphs /pictograms
10) 2600 BC - Pharaoh Sneferu, 1st king of Dynasty 4, built three pyramids - Bent, Meidum & Red Pyramid. (In Peru, Caral Pyramids were built.)
11) 2580 BC - Pharaoh Khufu, 2nd king of Dynasty 4, built the Great Pyramid at Giza
@@martinfromlosangeles Are you on some kind of meds? You 'sound' incoherent. Maybe you shd go consult your doctor for an alternative prescription.
Hi Wes. I’m really enjoying your content. I’m wondering if you could please provide links to the papers shown regarding weather & floodplain? Thanks
Cyprus has the oldest found cat burials alongside humans dated almost 10,000 years ago. Somebody liked cats enough from then to now to build the Sphinx.
Id like to know what he thinks about all the megalithic structures around the world. The ones with the protrusion on the stones and how the stones connect?? Im thinking before the flood..
I think he should stick to theological debates.
Can you do a video about the destruction of the nose of the sphinx and maybe offer some insight into why that happened. great historians like Dr Yosef Ben-Jochannan discus this in great depth. His work was very well recognised and he had direct access to a lot of the stolen and destroyed artifacts.
If love to have seen you both in a debate.
The sphinx is believed to have been built just after the Tower of Babel incident (~2000 BC) by the first rulers who migrated there from Babylon. They called it "He who is in the horizon" in reference to Nimrod (who was still their god-king) and it is looking directly to where Nimrod's Island palace used to be.
So I guess a PhD in geology and geophysics isn't as well informed as you are about what water erosion would look like on the sphinx. Perhaps the people who wrote that study should have an open debate with Robert shock
A counter to this is whether or not the sphinx was already in an enclosure behind walls which stopped floodwater getting in?
I don't know if there was or not, just thinking out loud
Thanks so much for all the work you do 😊
you proved the comment at the beginning of your video right about academic establishment. good job.
I’ll be honest with you! I don’t get half the things he says but it makes me feel smart listening to a smart guy lol 😂
Hey Wes, have you ever visited or thought of visiting Göbekli Tepe?
This is a very good answer and position if you want to be safe.
Why do people think that ALL archeologists should know ABSOLUTLY everything about their conspiracies and wild ideas. Just because WE do not know who and how the ancient wonders were made, we shouldn't make it up!
Wes is just doing his job. Sometimes turth is refreshing in a world where lies are bought and sold.
Love your content but I think there’s a bit more nuance here. I don’t have access to the same databases you do, but world of antiquity put out a great analysis of some of the discord between geologists on this topic. Might be worth a look. Do you have any opinions on what structures are still around today that you think might be antediluvian?
ruclips.net/video/DaJWEjimeDM/видео.htmlsi=TVLg4SWhOP50_wlC
^ video I referenced
@@freethesheepn7400 I actually think there’s more than enough evidence to put the body older than the current head - I think that’s entirely plausible. I just don’t think the rainfall erosion argument trying to push it 12k years adds up. But yes, I agree World of Antiquity has great content on this (and other) topics as it relates to alternative history proponents.I think where he and I would agree is that whatever the case, the Sphinx is still tied to Dynastic Egypt even if the body and head may come from different Kingdoms of Ancient Egyptian history.
As for antediluvian structures I wouldn’t want to say anything over definitively one way or the other as I’d have to look at more of the multivalent work on the dates and plausible explanations.
Great points. I think he’s a little too skeptical sometimes but I do enjoy his stuff. Loved your debate with Billy Carson btw. I think your channel will really take off soon. You should do more collabs with inspiring philosophy. You guys cover a lot of the same stuff.
@@WesHuffHi Wes, some claim that Ignatius quoted Gnostic Ptolemy's works, which passages of Ignatian epistles do they claim quotes Gnostic Ptolemy? Are they the ones where Ignatius refers to Docetists?
@@WesHuffif you think dr pounding stones has great content on the sphinx I’m not surprised your out of depth little boy on the subject matter. Did pounding stones cite that paper for you?
Isn’t the edge of the green band in Egypt the edge of the old river sediment that makes the ground fertile from the Nile of old. Wouldn’t that put the sphinx directly on the edge of the old river? Also this is upstream of the new dams and the ocean level was 400 feet lower then. Would be interested to see to those articles you referenced.
What evidence do we have that it would have been submerged under water for 6000 years though?
We don’t, the paper he is taking about was heavily criticised for ignoring topography makers to form its opinion. They know the Nile flooded and that’s about it really. The extent of how far and deep the water was isn’t known. The paper he cites also ignored counter evidence of ancient dams and water management of the area and also missed ancient rivers that are no longer there which is a clear sign the area wouldn’t have been covered by water. One thing we know about the ancients, they were masters of water management.
Also, wood found in the great pyramid dated it before kufu many centuries befor.
Context is important here. The Dixon relics, which comprised of a stone ball, copper hook and piece of cedar wood (probably part of the hook's handle), were found stashed separately in the small N/S shafts in the Queen's Chamber. The wood was C14 dated to ~500 yrs before Khufu. But it's important to consider that these are portable objects, not part of the structure. Also, C14 dating gives when the wood stopped growing, not when it was carved into shape. In contrast, C14 dating of charcoal found in the mortar used in the pyramid's construction - which is an integral building material - roughly dates to Khufu's time, but the range of dates for these samples may again be earlier due to the possible use of old wood scraps by the Egyptians.
Hey brother, can you post a link to those studies you reference? From my own research, it appears that while the Nile's volume and coverage was greatly increased during the AHP, it's coverage mostly increased towards the east bank (which is at a lower elevation I believe, so it makes sense). The sphinx at that time does not appear to be in direct contact with the nile, but it does appear to be in the flood zone. This would seem to indicate that it is indeed older as Graham Hancock and Robert Schoch claim as the water spilling over into the enclosure during those periods of flooding would create those erosion marks. God bless!
Jason from archaix was the 1st person I thought of when I saw this video title. He has a website and is a published author. References, citations, etc seem to be of utmost importance to him as well as chronology.
That guy is out of his mind.
@@Wanker527I didn't know Wesley Huff existed until ARCHAIX recommended him to his own subscribers. He's a chronologist. He's always open to being corrected and fact checked. Doesn't claim to know it all and is open to constructive criticism.
I’m really glad I found you via the Billy Carson conversation. But not for that reason, I always took what he said with a grain of salt. However, people like Ammon Hillman are gaining a lot of traction and you’re the only person I’m aware of that is educated enough in classical Greek to properly debate him. I’ve been looking for another opinion on what Jesus was doing with a boy in the park at 4am. I doubt you’ll see this but if it’s meant to be you will, and if that’s the case, could you please do a video on that? I’ve since subscribed to your channel as I’d like to hear your take on these controversial books cause you’re not coming from a place of trying to “disprove” like I feel Ammon is. You and him are almost antithetical to one another lol.
Check out one of the recent videos from Ancient Architects. He did some great research into what the Sphinx could have originally looked like based on the Narmer tablet and some other finds. It's definitely not 12,000 years old, but it is very possible it predated the 4th Dynasty by a few hundred years.
Hey brother, could you post a link to those studies you referenced? All the studies i've seen indicate that the sphinx was not in direct contact with the Nile river during the humid pyramid, but that it WAS in the flood zone. It seems that the increased volume of water primarily increased the coverage of the nile on the east bank, which is at a lower elevation I believe (makes sense to me). This would seem to be evidence for the older than established age of the sphinx, as the erosion marks could have come from flood waters frequently spilling over into the enclosure during those periods of flooding.
These are all new age main stream shills. Great that someone is calling them out 👍
Wes you’ve been crushing it! Believe me I’d been praying for you to get that debate with Billy Carson, you did a great job. I’d love for you to share your thoughts on the studies from Paul Wallis. He also does videos on The 5th Kind channel. Particularly the one about YHWH not being the heavenly Father. He points out how Jesus never mentions Him. And says His character is different along with many convincing points.
key part of this is what is published, check who controle what is published, and how publishing is controled by legal means.
Hey, do you believe the Idea of the Israelites also being of Canaanite creates some form of contradiction in scripture? Especially with regards to Abraham's place of birth and the Exodus? Love to here your thoughts
I wonder how many more podcasts Billy is gonna do citing illegitimate documents as legit evidence. Much respect to you Wes for giving him the respect he DIDNT deserve based on his blatant ill statements to Christianity. ✝️✝️✝️✝️
That’s it? That was your argument?
I have a question because in the book of genesis when it goes down the family line to Noah when you take all of their ages and add them up it comes out to roughly 12,000 years which matches up with other civilizations stories about a great flood taking place so therefore does that not validate the claims of ancient civilizations?
It can't add up to 12,000 because the earth is no more than 6500 years old
@Tombstonedd, Biblical archaeologist Steven Rudd of The Shiloh Excavations had arrived at the conclusion that Creation date was 5554 B.C. The great flood happened in 3298 B.C. And the tower of Babel was built and destroyed in 2850 B.C. This timeline would help greatly to mark the milestones of world /human history.
After the flood, the first civilization of mankind 2.0 starting with 8 people would be the kingdom of Ararat located at and around Mt. Ararat (modern-day Turkey). The second would be the Sumer /Mesopotamia civilization after Nimrod at 25 y/o in 3200 B.C. had migrated South and founded Babel/Eridu (modern-day Iraq) followed by many others. World pop. was estimated to be about 800 people. From a single-language civilization ... new languages, new tribes and new nations only emerged after the tower of Babel was destroyed in 2850 B.C., and world pop. was estimated to be about 12 million people.
You can’t add the ages back to back. If you go by Genesis chapter 5 Adam had lived 130 years when his son Seth was born - the side issue, not answered in the Bible, is Adam living 130 years from when? The time he was created fully as a fully formed man, or from another date? Anyway, Adam lived on for another 800 years, but in this context that is not relevant because Seth lived 105 years old and he became a father … and so on. If one adds up the time in this way it is 1056 years until Noah is born - thereafter, according top Genesis chapter 7 the flood arrived when Noah was 600 years old. What we don’t know is how long the earth had existed when Adam was created. It is also not clear, from the Bible account whether there were other people on the earth, also created by God … but, from when Adam’s years started to be counted until the flood is 1656 years.
@@mitchelldenny1966
We know exactly how long Adam had existed since the Earth was created because the accurate historical account that we have very clearly says everything.
Now if somebody chooses to not believe the truth then he or she is going to be flat out of luck as far as knowing what happened when.
If one accepts Genesis as the accurate historical account given by someone who was there then one will know that the Earth was created in six 24 days and exactly what happened on exactly what day
@@mitchelldenny1966
The Bible very clearly says that Adam was the first human and Eve the second.
Lols, the the Giza sphinx being 12000years old is what is taught by the academic gatekeeping establishment🤦♂️
Sphinx was built in 1933 as a way to boost tourism during the Great Depression. Youre welcome
Why won’t they let us see the tunnels under the Sphinx!
according to thomas brophy, phd, astrophysicist, in his archeoastronomy book, "the origin map", the giza plateau constituted an observation field from the neolithic period from 12k bc from the same time period as nabta playa. giza was then built up during the dynastic period maintaining the sightlines. the 12k bc explosion of monumental sightlines was precipitated by a visible large relativistic jet emanating from the center of the milkyway sagittarius a* that persisted for hundreds if not thousands of years, because this is the only possible way the ancients would have been able to determine the galactic center. the book contains the data and astronomical correction values for celestial regression calculations to that period for anyone wishing to verify the calculations and data
Whats your point?
@ the celestial observation in 12k bc is the key initiator of monumental architecture that happened all over the world
this actually is a good argument.. i never did think about that. before they dammed the nile it would have seasonal flooding and ive never actually heard anyone use that argument for the erosion in sphinx encloser. idk why joe is calling it the temple lol
Yes, the Sphinx is only one of several gigantic monuments in Egypt, Africa and are thousands of years old. The carvings in and around the enormous pyramids which are also thousands of years old have much to tell in the way of ancient civilization which is in direct contrast to biblical history. Yes, the sphinx and the pyramids are as old and as real as it gets. People need to visit Egypt to experience the immense power of existence and history they exude.
What did you think of Dr. Robert M. Schoch's work which kicked off this debate. Here is what he said in a 1992 article, "Based on the data, I've concluded that the Sphinx was built in stages. The Egyptians carved the core of the Sphinx--the front and sides--first, in at least 5000 B.C. and perhaps earlier. Later, possibly in Khafre's time, workers chiseled out the rear of the Sphinx and recarved the head. No one knows what the original head looked like; many observers consider the current head too small for the body, and it shows signs of more recent cut marks than does the body. Furthermore, it has long been suggested that the face of the Sphinx portrays Khafre, but this assumption has recently been questioned."
@@DewayneOh6 I think 4-5k years is more reasonable for the body than his recent change to saying it corresponds closer to the date of gobekli tepe and somewhere around 12k years. The former date was at least based on a more reasonable evidence-led approach, the latter appears to be driven by ideological and sensationalistic motivations.
@@WesHuff The media and general public often misrepresent research, so they would definitely gravitate to the earliest part of his estimated range. Still, I don't think Schoch would be so wreckless with his academic credibility. He has taken a lot of heat even before his change to his latest estimate. Thanks, I enjoyed the topic!
@@WesHuff If you have time, check out Joe Rogan's interview of Dr. Schoch #1124
@@WesHuff explain why the pyramids do not show rain induced erosion but the sphinx enclosure, the sphinx and the valley temples do? You do know that paper you referred to is laughed at as it’s basically pseudoscience ignoring multiple topography reports. Manu seyfzadeh tore that paper to shreds. It would appear your out of your depth and don’t know what your actually talking about
It has major water erosion damage in a desert,let's say 36,000 +yrs old
Hey Wes, would be good to know your perspective of why you are not Catholic. I am a protestant myself confuse of what is the true, and would be great to know the perspective from a hostorian like you.
Would love to see you and Randall Carlson debate
Debate graham hancock … he’s no bill carson
They use the same dating systems
So how do we, lay people, receive access to these databases with the research that you are able to reference? I mean this sincerely. I don't trust Google, and I'm certainty not rich enough to go to a secular college, or even a Bible College. But personally i don't think you need a college degree to do your own research, just not certain where to get accurate information from those who have studied the evidence with no biases
Theres a reason why he calls it frobidden 😂
There is so much wrong with this theory, he sounds like billy carson
Geological analysis of the Sphinx clearly suggests something is off with the conventional dating. I find a lot of what you state is reasonable but you are wrong here.
Wes I like how you have debunked Billy Carson, but I believe the Sphinx which was originally a lion, was built before the Great Flood during the Age of Leo based on its alignment to the stars back then.
Absolute nonsense! You haven’t answered the main point of the discussion and didn’t address the fact that the original Lion head that was facing the constellation of Leo had been replaced by a smaller head that doesn’t match the geometric proportions to the body.
If you are a True Bible believing Christian. We are right at 5,990ish years.
Study out the timeline.
Wes I just joined and this topic is along with the human remains being found that go back well before this time do have one asking many questions. With your knowledge and age it would be nice to have you do a podcast with Rogan and or Graham Hancock. There are so many questions regarding the pyramids, especially in Turkey. I believe you could play and integral part in getting answers to theses questions. I do not see why Christianity would be questioned and if its was I'm sure you would figure it out.
That is assuming the research that says the sphinx enclosure was submerged for 6k years is correct in that particular claim. However if that truly is the case the rain water erosion that would take thousands of years to occur still needs to be explained? That hypothesis is also based on geological scientific research. It can not be dismissed just because the other research says something different. Don't agree on this one but otherwise great channel and all the best to you Wes!
Also the sphinx was carved from an outcropping of bedrock but according to Wes the Nile flooding would wash it away yet it still remained then they carved the sphinx. Guys actually deluded, he won’t even discuss the books the bible has hidden from the Dead Sea scrolls
hmmm ... interestin point of view ... give us some evidence why there is erosion from water there and explain us in more details about ur theory coz this short video is just a claim that anyone can say
Hey Wes just came across your channel through another video. Subbed and needless to say, I'm looking forward to going through your backlog of videos and future content. If Joe Rogan invited you out to his podcast, would you do it? I highly doubt he would for the simple fact it seems your able to debunk his and quite a few of his friends beliefs/opinions
After watching your debate with Billy and how respectful you were, you have a new subscriber. Joe Rogan needs to get you on, but you speak the truth so I doubt it will happen
This is some interesting evidence! Can you link one of the studies? I’m interested in how they know that would be the exact path of the Nile at that time and the related details. Not out of doubt btw hah I just want to know how it’s done!
Thanks
Would love to see you debate Matt
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The erosion happened then it was buried in sand for a long time. Why is the head smaller than the body, the proportion is all off. It's very likely that is not the original head. Also compare the workmanship of the head compared to the body, notice the difference in erosion. Wouldn't it make sense to create a lion effigy in the time of Leo pointing to that constellation to date the project. Same for the dateing of the great pyramid. No hiroglyphic or mummy were ever found in the great pyramid. In The king's chamber the so called tomb is very small for a body and just so happens to line up with the dimensions of the ark of the covenant. I'm not that religious but that is a very strange coincidence? No?
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Well, anyone can see that the erosion is caused by rain. Robert Scoch, I believe, was one of the first to investigate this, and he has a more conservative estimate of about 9,000 years old.
I don’t see how erosion rate from rain would allow for such a date.
I don’t know if can agree with what you just said rain erosion and river or running water erosion are different. And I was thinking that the geologist can tell the difference better than you. But i do like your videos.
I bet the sphinx was actually a griffin
I believe this earth is almost 6997 years old and everyone’s been duped ,and that erosion is from the great flood.
Hey Wes, the thumbnail has a typo. It says " Sphinx is the 12,000 years old". Might want to correct that :)
Um this just boost what graham and them say.. They do say it was under water or halfway... Wes i think you should do a lil more research..
What about the pyramid of Giza?
THANKS, Time We All Wake Up
The Kemet pyramids built by Jah original people (blacks Amos 9:7) is more than 20,000 years old according to water erosion signs by the Lion of Judah sphinx. The pyramids are also defined as a monument to God in ISAIAH 19:19
Brother doesn’t understand. It is more likely that stuff is much much older.
I don't know if you read these comments but I was wondering if you could do a video providing insight to the text "refutations to all heresies" by Irenious thank you kindly
Something being older than previously assumed?
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Magic white man in the sky who loves me?
- 100% dude
white man in the sky? God is creative and loves color. IF you have not noticed look out your window.
Wouldn't Noah's flood have created the erosion marks? Roughly 4,400 years ago?
You can't just leave us on a, " no," without explaining it.
He basically says it could be true. This is paid propaganda.
He literally explained it)) unlikely due to part of that area being submerged 120000 years ago+-
He found a way to make money on RUclips .. don't expect anything
...1:11...literally explaining it.
@composerc9896 I mean in depth. That was brief.
Made me chuckle...