Is Noah plagiarized from Gilgamesh?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Many scholars, researchers, skeptics, and lay people have pointed out that there are stories in the biblical Old Testament, like that of Noah’s flood, that are very similar to other Ancient Near Eastern stories of similar content. Some have even gone as far to say that these types of biblical stories were influenced, inspired by, or even outright plagiarized from documents like the Epic of Gilgamesh. Is there any credibility to these claims?
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Even if the story was 90 percent original (which isn’t) but 10 percent is almost identical to other myth, then that still means that the story copied from the other text. The outcome is the same. Trying to say that the Old Testament didn’t plagiarize or wasn’t “inspired” by older stories (if you want to use a soft language) is just wrong and weak apologetic to me.
If a guy makes a movie that feels almost original, but has a scene that is identical to a scene of _Return of the Jedi,_ but with other characters’ names and slightly different words. Then people will rightfully say that he either plagiarized _ROTJ_ or that it was inspired by _ROTJ._
The last thing that anyone would believe is if that guy came and tried to convince everybody that he had a divine dream/revelation in order to make that movie, even if part of it was “original.”
And that’s exactly what religious people want to make out of the Bible.
A rather weak argument. There are similarities between the 2 stories but as explained in the video they are superficial. You seem to completely discount the idea that the events happen and it is both cultures records of the great Persian gulf flood which happened thousands of years prior to either civilization. It also isn't "slightly different". The theological themes are completely different between the 2 stories and the motivations between Yahweh vs the summerians gods is hugely different. He also points to the difference in purpose between the 2 books that they find themselves in and how they're both hugely different narratively.
The guy who first descovered the Epic of Gilgamesh ran around his apartment throwing off his clothes in excitement. That was in 1872. Since then, the apologists have been busy.
It’s always interesting to see Christian apologists apply critical thinking to anything that poses a threat to the Bible, but not apply that same logic to the Bible itself.
"Tell me you haven't watched my other videos, viewed my published academic papers, lectures or website content on the history of the biblical text without telling me you haven't watched my other videos, academic papers, or website content on the history of the biblical text."
@@WesHuff Fair enough,lol. I’ll check them out.
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Christianity is a strange religion because of its weird concept of sin.
The sin argument is an interesting one.
Christian apologists claim that Adam and Eve were created perfect but they had freewill - hence why they sinned.
The problem with this claim is that if they were created perfect then they should have always made perfect decisions.
Imperfection does not give birth to perfection.
That goes against the rules of logic.
PERFECTION BEGATS PERFECTION.
IMPERFECTION BEGATS IMPERFECTION.
Logic always wins.
Therefore, the Christian apologists claim is completely wrong from a logical standpoint - of course, that is if we are using the same logical parameters to assess this topic in the same way we would assess everything else in life.
Of course, the Eden story is entirely mythological - but Christian apologists interpret the story literally - thats the problem.
You see,
All the geographical locations in the bible are actually real - so are the various people groups mentioned in the bible.
But all the stories are entire mythological and consist of allegory and metaphor.
In fact, all the worlds organised religions are actually the same in this manner.
Ancient Humans were simply trying to understand the world around them and their greater purpose - so they wrote what they SURMISED was Gods nature and mixed in their own folklore tales with it.
They then put these ALLEGORICAL hybrid tales into books and the resulting end products are what you would call the so called "holy books" from the various people groups around the world.
There is nothing surprising about this.
Thats just human beings behaving like human beings.
Throughout the thousands of years people groups from around the world have done this.
The trick is to make the various resulting religions work for YOU.
Rather than YOU working for these religions.
Hell was not taught as a lake of eternal torture by fire in the Old Testament.
The greek idea of hell in the New Testament is very easy to explain.
Let us first examine the Jews.
The orthodox Jews claim that both Christianity and Islam are actually BASTARDISATIONS of orthodox Judaism.
The orthodox Jews do not believe in hell as a place of eternal torture by fire.
That would explain why greek ideas of hell have been put in Jesus's mouth by the greek writers of the New Testament.
Especially, considering that in order for any person to learn greek 2000 years ago the only greek writings actually available to actually PRACTICE learning the greek language were greek mythological epics which documented precisely greek ideas of hell.
For example, Hades and Tartarus are terms for hell copied straight from the greek mythological epics which contained these concepts and ideas.
People simply learnt these Greek epics as a way of practicing reading and writing greek as the main greek writings were all mythological works.
The New Testament writers then copied these greek ideas of hell into the greek
New Testament they were writing and assigned Christian concepts to them.
The New Testament is a fusion of Judaism and Greek mythology.
Hellinistic Judaism is well documented by Orthodox Jews themselves.
It was eventually suppressed -
but It re-emerged as New Testament Christianity in 325ad.
The difference is that this time it was backed by the state of Rome in what became known as Roman Catholicism.
ALL, the various protestant denominations copied these doctrines as they branched off from Roman Catholicism.
They left out other doctrines and took the main doctrines into their new Protestant version of Christianity.
This video is definitely Theology, not scientific history. This guy really believes his argument.
The struggle to accept the two animals of every kind, on a ship, for forty days... were they caged, shackled or grouped together at the bottom of the boat? What kind of sickness and diseases can come out of such an environment?
I believe the flood story is told in over 300 cultures.
Even more than 300, ruclips.net/video/lM0RgVz5gjg/видео.htmlsi=GG7-etoJcF3mVRQG
It is recorded in the epic of Gilgamesh that Utnapishtim made an ark that was square. It was shaped like a cube. Noah's ark was rectangular. A cube is the least stable boat model that exists. A cube will capsize at the slightest wave. Noah's ark was six times as long as wide, and ten times as long as high. It turns out that those are the best proportions for a stable freighter. Noah's ark really is the best boat model you can possibly have. Dutch author Ben Hobrink talks about this in his book, 'Moderne Wetenschap in de Bijbel' (Modern Science in the Bible).
Very good point, Leon! The dimensions of Utnapiahtim’s vessel are clearly untenable for being a seaworthy boat and mark a stark difference to the Genesis account.
@@WesHuff A scaled-down round ark was built based on its description in a 3700 year old cuneform - it floated just fine.
@@davenewton4862 it did float, but it also capsized and flipped upside-down and right-side-up continually while it was floating. Hence my use of the term untenable.
@@WesHuff from an article about this in the Daily Mail: "Sadly, however, the Ark was not as perfect as it seemed and when launched, water began leaking into the hull. A pump was used to keep it afloat.
Despite this, Dr Finkel said that the inferior bitumen was to blame, but the Babylonian design was watertight and produced a stable vessel."
@@davenewton4862 So I just looked up the citations and the dimensions. What Dr. Finkel went off of was the vessel version in the Atrahasis Epic (as I mention in the video was what the flood narrative in Gilgamesh was most probably borrowed from), where the vessel is circular. However, by the time that it gets to the versions of Gilgamesh it states that the boat's "walls were each 10 times 12 cubits in height, the sides of its top were of equal length, 10 times its cubits each." This would make it a perfect square of 120 cubits per side (with 6 decks and 7 levels with 9 compartments in each as described in the Epic XI).
My only thought in response (in addition not rebuttle, obviously) to this is: It's pretty obvious that if globally (not just the ANE) you have similar stories about a global flood, and a dude and a boat... with animals, etc. etc. etc. Similar events in scope and scale - with maybe key players being different and maybe specific animals being listed, that means that something DID happen. However, it was likely before things were written and so while people spread out (Babel), the narrative shifted and changed over time. For example, my dad doesn't remember how i crashed the car. He wrote a letter adding all these details that just weren't true to the original event from 20 years ago. Key details were correct - but the peripherals in it - incorrect.
Anyway, great thoughts! Been appreciating your stuff for a while!
How about a dude saved a few goats from a flood using a raft, and he embellished a bit. Play a few hundred years of telephone game, and voila!
Some ancient fiction author realizes how cool a story it would make if it had some more embellishments added.
Does this sound like it’s at least a remote feasible possibility? Be honest…
Good logical point my dude
Happy to find sane people here
@05:08 "[The Enuma Elish] is as opposite in its intention and narrative from Genesis as you could possibly get."
No. This is patently false. There are obvious thematic and literary parallels between the Priestly Creation Myth in Genesis 1 and the Enuma Elish. Moreover, the parallels between the Epic of Gilgamesh and parts of the second creation story in Genesis 2-3 are jut as strong, if not more so.
Thank you, I was searching for this for a very long time
Yes.We had to have a spiritual awakening for a reason because we werent taught the truth/real history and DNA confirmed it.
True!
Thank you for all your great content! I learn so much. All the details you present are so fascinating. Thanks Wes!
For those who are not familar with linguistics... Akkad took a huge chunk out of Sumeria. Sumeria became a language isolate. Out of Akkadian, came forth semitic tree: Assyrian, Hebrew, Canaanite and others. You can see that Hebrews base a lot of their language to that of Akkadians. Something you will see pretty much erased out of the history books to confuse and to obscure. But its where the Tower of Babel is really located... It is based in this same story - one surrounding languages and legends when you figure out the real location.
Lets not take for granted that each book of the Bible was not put together as it is now but they where separate text written by different people during different periods. I am no scholar but as far as Genesis goes the concept of monotheism was not so set in stone yet. As when Yawheh spoke he spoke in plural Let us us make man in our own image. Man has now become as one of us knowing good from evil. I understand when you go to church they try to explain this as the heavenly host or the future trinity. However, it is very unlikely that whoever wrote those text had any concept of the new testament in mind.
You’re completely wrong and the idea they didn’t know about the “future Trinity” is wrong. If you actually know the Bible you would clearly see the Trinity in the Old Testament and Genesis. You’re speaking out of complete ignorance.
The story of a world wide flood in Genesis, is just an adaption from other ancient religions and mytholgies. It's nothing new. That's what the whole entire bible is.
Yea this is just cope, no where in this video is there evidence that genesis didn’t borrow from the epic of Gilgamesh, that’s what most biblical scholars believe because they were written in Babylon and the priests who wrote it definitely knew about the epic of Gilgamesh, it’s a story a thousand years older then Genesis … on top of tanta global flood is scientifically and historically debunked, these stories likely cole form localized flood myths
Loving the content!
We should also consider how ancient tribal priestly classes had their own polemics, counter-texts, borrowing, and diffusions. I believe the biblical text employs all of those devices, especially in light of how each of the ten plagues mock Egyptian gods to show the supremacy and exclusivity of YHWH. So, although there are similarities between ancient Near Eastern origin myths, angel battles, and flood accounts, the biblical text portrays the most accurate and fully correct revelation of the ancient past each of those ancient tribal priestly classes were attempting to portray.
Coming from Islam, I can affirm the same concepts u mention are in book, and the supplementary canon (hadith)
Thanks for this video Wes! Keep doing what you're doing. Your content has been a big help to me!
There are a lot of naysayers here that are trying to discredit the word of God (Bible). No other writing has offered more hope, rescued and changed more lives than those who believe and trust in our one blessed hope Jesus. Consider Israel and Judah a divided nation exiled and ruled by Assyrians, Babylonians, Romans etc. for more than 2500 years, but once again became a sovereign nation, no longer divided or ruled by foreign powers. This happened in 1948 and outlined in prophesy in Ezekiel 37:1-23.
Everybody always has to question the Bible. It gets old people
Right
I find the focus on 'plagiarism' confusing. I get that correlation does not mean plagiarism, but is plagiarism really what people are concerned about? Do we really expect mythical stories from thousands of years ago to include a disclaimer? I'm just curious if the stories are abstractions of Babylonian myths. That does not equate to plagiarism, especially if these stories were mostly conveyed through oral tradition. It just means that human stories found their way into another culture where they were abstracted according to the culture of the area. The similarities you point out do seem to suggest that this is possible, along with the with the actual distance between the two cultures in place and time. I mean, you also seem to suggest that the differences indicate that the myths might have been heavily altered, but abstracted to be a stretch, but these stories were made up at some point somewhere in the first place... Meaning, the human imagination is wild.
Hindu, Bhuddist and Shinto temples are Noah’s ark theme parks in granite.
Chief pagan gods are all based on Noah’s life and activity’s.
The point is it is recognized all the other stories are myths but the Bible is supposed to be actual history
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I didnt watch this video all the way but I believe many of the records in the bible are based on those of the Egyptians. The Egyptians probably had records going way, way back.
There are some surviving texts on papyrus or other paper like materials, but most ancient Egyptian records around today are those carved in stone. I suspect much of the practices condemed in the Bible (idolotry etc.) were influenced by ancient Egypt, but the scriptures themselves are written after the Exodus, when they left Egypt behind.
No. And Joseph taught Egyptians . Etc.....Egyptians were influenced by Moses too. I don't buy it
Problem is we don't have many Egyptian records to go off of
Fantastic video wes! I appreciate your scholarly approach to the subject, and i very much enjoyed how you presented the material. I hope the nay sayers dont get in your head. You've got a new fan!
Seeing the title of this
"Cultures all over the world have the same stories" ya. same stuff happened. Most cultures, wandered further and further from God. Fortunately Abraham held on
And, new-aged mysticism borrows HEAVILY from the babylonian talmud.. and idk, revelation talks about the world right now, God Bless EVERYONE!
I'm pretty sure during French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars and Second World War people thought Revelations was about their time too. It is not a prophetic book about the future, just as how Nostradamus didn't predict Hitler. at best the Bible predicts astronomical patterns like the Maya calendar or Hinduism, but this is an interpretation which has been suppressed, clearly evident when one has read the scrapped Book of Enoch, which has original fragments among the Dead Sea Scrolls and a 2000+ year history in Ethiopian Ge'ez, so it's not a lateral fabrication.
@@FlyingTeacup I'm certain countless times felt like the end :)
And scripture does a fair bit more. Tons of things "It's just a metaphor" have come true; seemingly impossible things..
I don't expect to convince anyone; i can only warn and when people see the blatant things that will come.. they may remember
All religious texts are stories based off other stories. They cannot be proven nor disproven for the most part. Large sections of history are educated guesses from scholars who may or may not be correct. The best you can shoot for is the simplest idea is hopefully correct, but there is no guarantee. Two people can read the same text and come up with completely different interpretations.
Flood
The Atrahasis is the Akkadian/Babylonian epic of the Great Flood sent by the gods to destroy human life. Only the good man, Atrahasis (his name translates as `exceedingly wise’) was warned of the impending deluge by the god Enki (also known as Ea) who instructed him to build an ark to save himself. Atrahasis heeded the words of the god, loaded two of every kind of animal into the ark, and so preserved life on earth.
The use of one unusual word even suggests that the biblical account is familiar with the Mesopotamian one: to caulk his ark, Noah is told to use pitch (Gen 6:14), Hebrew kofer, cognate to Akkadian kupru, which is what Utnapishtim uses. This the only time that the word kofer means “pitch” in the Bible; the native Hebrew word for “pitch” is zefet, which is what Moses’s mother uses to waterproof the vessel she builds for her son (Exod 2:3). The word kofer, then, is borrowed directly from Akkadian, and provides the strongest evidence for the Mesopotamian origin of the entire biblical account.[4]
I wouldn't say the story was plagiarized. The Bible is a collection of history. It's author is history. The Gilgamesh version is or was considered history. I know it's debated if Bible stories are just myth, but people back then thought they were history.
Lol it’s not historical
It’s mythical , only inspired by real story / retelling of
The people back then may know it’s not historical, the person who compiled it as well
We, hundreds thousand years later might be fool enough (some of us) to thnk it’s as legit as toothfairy and santa claus
I always thought that Noah was born around or before King Gilgamesh time who the story derived from? Maybe the Babylonian's just beat the Jews to the story. There are many similar stories from all parts of the world . I think we can honestly say the flood did happen. Interesting though.
Actually it was plagiarized more ancient Hebrews were called akkadians they conquered sumeria and took everything over later becoming Hebrews so it was plagerized
as a German Biologist and Pythagorean - we face this mystery of the Younger Dryas era and the hypothesis of a Comet Impact - that dramatically changed Climate - the sea level rising more than 100 Meters from sudden Ice Melting. we may have remnants of oral traditions witnessing such an event - all over the earth - not only on one location. The story of “Atlantis” may originate from there. Göbekli Tepe may be related to that. The oral tradition may be part of cultural Identity - to trace the history of a tribe - a nation - back to the origins - and claim originality, uniqueness - a sort of racial arrogance and justification of Superiority over others. Who can be killed, enslaved, conquered, eliminated... For me as a Biologist it is part of Anthropology - how Taboos emerge - the fear of the Unknown, fear of GODS - who can destroy - El Shaddai as a God of Revenge... we have lost the connection to those ancient oral traditions - we do wild Phantasies to create our own entertainment. Ancient Humans lived in a harsh environment - with horrible destructions. We have no imagination how hard that life must have been. may be living in Mosul and Aleppo can give an idea... when Mariupol was destroyed from the Air - and sank into the Black Sea ...creation of a new Myth...
Someone's been listening to the Joe Rogan podcast...
@Wes Huff I am a German Biologist, Biochemist Ph D - I listen to nobody. Science = STUDY. Mathematoi - - Pythagoras...study!The Younger Dryas is an enigma to study! We are fast accelerating to Human Extinction...
@@raginald7mars408 I'm sure you've listened to somebody. At minimum you're reading individuals like Graham Hancock, who are the modern scholastic advocates for what you've described. Your initial comment could have summarized 2 episodes of recent Joe Rogan podcasts. That was the only reason I (jokingly by the way) made the moment. I'm not sure what being *German* in particular adds to you being a biologist. Unless you're specifically studying the biology of Germans? I didn't mention the Younger Dryas Thesis in my video at all so I was commenting more in jest then anything else.
@Wes Huff we are conditioned by the culture we grow up. I have All the horrible European traits you despise. A Warning. You may not appreciate Independent Study - not listening to anybody. it is a scientific puzzle to study the last rapid intense global warming - and it may have fuelled our modern Religions. Charles Darwin was forced to study Theology. As he never listened to anybody - he became a better Biologist - the Art of Study... not listening - Akkus matoi - Listeners - not Scientists - Pythagoras - study...
@@raginald7mars408 With all due respect, I really am not following how much of what you're saying has anything to do with my original video. Nonetheless, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to my own lack of understanding and incompetence.
(23 December 2023)
To make sense of Adam and Eve and Eden, one has to ask WHY this account was composed?
It seeks to explain the WHY of certain facts of life:
WHY there is no eternal life for man nor Beast?
Why so much bloodshed? Beast killing beast? Man killing man?
Why not herbivores instead of carnivores?
Why a universal flood is resorted too, almost slaying the whole of the Creation, Man and Beast?
Why a place called Eden and its rivers, the Tigris and Euphrates?
Why a naked human male gardener in Eden?
Why a serpent able to walk and talk with humans?
ALL of the above WHYS have been answered in my two books published in 2010.
The "key" HERE is to realize that Genesis 1-11 was written in response to, and in refutation of, Mesopotamian origin of man myths.
To understand Genesis 1-11 one must first study the Mesopotamian origin of man accounts, TO SEE WHAT IT IS THAT GENESIS' AUTHOR IS REFUTING!
My two books address all of the above "WHYS":
They are written from a Secular Humanist Point of View.
(1) Walter R. Mattfeld. 2010. _The Garden of Eden Myth: Its Pre-biblical Origin in Mesopotamian Myths._
(2) Walter R. Mattfeld. 2010. _Eden's Serpent: Its Mesopotamian Origins._
Satan has been at work plagiarizing God since the garden. Not the other way around.
Humans
She in turn roused her son Enki, the god of wisdom, and urged him to create a substitute to free the gods from their toil. Namma then kneaded some clay, placed it in her womb, and gave birth to the first humans.
Accusing bible authors of theft is absurd . Plagiarism did not exist 4600 years ago . Neither did the word plagiarism exist.
Well said, i had read. a lot about the actual story while people just say becuase theres a flood gilgamesh is noah, not knowing he isnt even the hereo in the sumerian tale.
Which story is older? The epic of Gilgamesh it the story of Noah?
Gilgamesh
Pretty irrelevant if you can't actually prove borrowing and there are good reasons to conclude that they are fundamentally different
@@rayzas4885 Fundamentally similar, in detail dissimilar. But both are just stories.
The first one
Only one is written by eyewitness….
The six days of creation, the creation of Adam, the flood, Moses and the exodus are all plagiarisms of earlier Mesopotamian, Ugaritic and ancient Egyptian texts.
When people plagiarize, they take an existing story then change some of its components around according to your new world views. However, the similarities are undeniable. The Israelites created a tradition based on other people’s myths and heritage.
Besides, the stories themselves are scientific and historical myths. Therefore to have any core similarities between Biblical stories and earlier stories that are nothing but myths and legends tells you a lot about the Bible’s credibility.
This has nothing to do with the video, but you look like Matthew Millard in the Scooby Doo movie.
No, plagiarized is not the term.
Panbabylonism didn't lose, I've read a boat load of this stuff and the scholars contend that the order was rearranged and IIRC many parts of Palms are verbatim. It doesn't matter as there is much more to universal mythology. The commonality is shown at the time mark of five minutes in this video. It appears that your muddying the water on purpose. It is all about world ages, its causation, and the whole world testifies and acts out the events in their traditions to this day. A comet dropped into the inner solar system ~20,000ka and over this time has ablated forming the Taurid Stream which is the most recent and dangerous meteor stream. During the pre-perihelion said stream appears visually to come out of the Pleiades (5:00), the other crossing it seems like it comes from the Sun (both are described in the Pyramid Texts). These comet fragments collided with the Earth at 12,900ka and killed off the Pleistocene megafauna and mankind to the idea of only and pair remained stories. This event is commemorated by The Festival of the Dead and was the primordial New Years when crossing the dark approach of said stream. Halloween is the only remaining one that retains the crossing with its Halloween Fireballs, the Taurids, and the kids actually ask the correct question of will we be hit or missed. It use to be a 5-6 Unlucky days of dread that the world will end again which is the intercalary or epagomenal days to correct the year by sidereal methods. Universally mankind has pointed directly to the Pleiades as the causation of world destruction, even the Abrahamic god rides the Cherub, the Sky Bull representing the constellation of Taurus where the Pleiades resides, and is the Lord of Hosts. Host is a designation of the pile or group, the seven avains or doves. This is where the first fire from Heaven came from, it was a worldwide spectacle and dispersion was not necessary. This is why the story contains different anthropomorphic and zoomorphic characters yet they all correlate the same narrative. Religions fight each other over their own interpretation of the same thing. Gobekli Tepe was built right after the sky cleared from the Younger Dryas Impacts Theory and is said to be a death cult and has a conspicuous symbology of seven birds at the base of one of the central monoliths.
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Plagiarize for the biblical Algorithm!
Mate, let’s not deceive ourselves. It is clear even to a little child that one copied the other. Now decide which copied which
How about this idea....one of Noahs great great great etc grandkids was was a writer....he or she remebered the tales of the Flood and wrote a story which incorporated that idea into it. Bingo! Problem solved. And thats exactly what happened. After the Tower of Babel incident and everyone scattered, they still remembered the oral histories of their ancestors.
im expecting his answer to be "no cause its in the bible".
Virtually everything in the Old Testament has been plagiarized. But with a new twist: The ancient Jews decided to try and sell the idea that they were specially “chosen” by God.
Not plagiarized but definitely borrowed the basic outline. Here is the thing about the bible being literal as believed by the fundamentalists. I touched on this in my own vids. The apologists will adamantly state that the Sumerian story and Hebrew story of the great flood is different. And yes the details and characters are different. But the outline of the basic plot is essentially the same. God has a problem with man, wipes man out with a flood, saves one (or a family), then God has regret about the matter. The fundamentalists cannot reconcile this. The Hebrew story of the great flood is borrowed at best and isn't theirs. So you not only have all the science genres that completely disprove a world wide flood was sent by the Hebrew God but now ancient writings do as well. Cheers, DCF
If you boil it down to the most basic outline sure its similar but to ignore key differences such as why the flood was sent is just nonsense to me. If anything it shows a cultural memory of the Persian gulf flood which happened thousands of years prior to the written accounts of both stories
@@rayzas4885 In both the Epic of Gilgamesh and the James Stewart bible, the REASON for the flood was to destroy MANKIND; whether it was because Mankind was too noisy or whether it was because "the wickedness of man was too great" is NOT SIGNIFICANT. VIDEOS LIKE THIS, discredit Christianity when people see HOW MUCH CHRISTIANS ARE WILLING TO LIE AND CONFUSE people to persuade people to believe the notional bible. The Bible was not published until1611 and it was only intended to be a consolidated book after around 1100AD. We need to stop allowing the fake bible to govern how we SHOULD navigate our VERY REAL world.
Fantastic huff does it again😁😁😁👍
Great stuff
Gilgamesh and the Altrahasis were discovered in the 18th century.
Youre saying Genesis was written in the 17/1800s.
The flood story is known around the world in mostly every culture, having their own version.
Native Americans have their versuon.
Tbey stole it too?
BUT THE EPIC AND THE ATRA HASIS WERE WRITTEN over 2000 years before any part of the bible was conceived; around 2100 BC AND IT WAS TOLD BY MOUTH AS FAR BACK AS 6000 BC. If you Christians stop lying so phuckin much, maybe people would learn to respect you. BUT the way the guy in the video lied his ass off is inexcusable. Come to think of it, he basically did exactly what the bible does.
can anyone go straight to the specific parts of the epic and how they compare to specific parts of genesis?
Big boat-flood-bird-sacrifice.
“Oh ThE bIblE cOpIeD iT”
It’s just another worthless claim from atheist
Flaming mountains are comets or asteroids or whatever.
There's also more than one Genesis in the Bible. Plural. Just like the name God is plural.
And many scholars also disagree with you and your scholars so there's that. I do know with an estimated 360,000,000 gods and goddesses that humans have invented gods for their own purposes; an activity seen worldwide and throughout recorded history. I fail to see how anyone can believe that theirs is the single exception.
No... It's the other way around.
Mythology begets mythology
This video simultaneously infuriated me and made me laugh. Pretending to use logic in this video was pretty hilarious the flood best exists on all continents
They aren’t the identical story, but they nest the identical lesson. I do not look at these as literal stories in any way. But they have spiritual value.
When read in concert with Jung and Campbell ideas about the psyche, these stories all represent us if we use them on an inner path.
Our world has become cluttered. We must wash it out. It’s useable as a metaphor for a spiritual rebirth.
IMHO
You should look at the different ways in which earth, air, water, and fire cleanses this world (respectively: swallowing up, driving away, cleansing through immersion, and cleansing through sublimation/regeneration). I would also argue that your spiritualizing the texts is necessary but puts the cart before the horse. In other words, the physical and spiritual realities underlying the texts are co-dependent in fully realizing the divine revelation provided. As above, so below.
@@AnglicanApologetics Well that's a bit out there. I'll leave it alone.
But as for the admonishment, I'm pretty grounded and if you dissect the verses completely, you will find no matter how you open them up, they will still be intact. You can't hurt them. You can only learn from them. I recommend everyone do it. It is what I do.
Peace
Of course they are not exactly similar. the hebrews adapted the story to their reality and characters. The Sumerian story precedes it by almost 2,000 years.
@@donramon9723 Yes, Thank you. It's a shared monomyth template.
There's floods in the Bible. Plural.
That stoke alot from the bible
Yes they copy the noble is a fake
Bias just a bit 🤔🤣
LOL