The Fall of Coding... is programming dead in 2023?
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2024
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Yeah that's why coding is Dead.
ROFL@@itsrogtime728
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I think there is a winners bias with influencers: Everyone sees the successful ones with millions of views and nobody sees the struggling ones which are like 99% of ‚influencers‘
I see the struggling ones lol they are good entertainment, more real
For real. Anyone can go to Twitch and see all the dozens and dozens of pages of 1 viewer streamers, hoping to be the next big Twitch star.
99.999 actually
@@LucasSilva-rf5mf yep was just going to comment that. He said in the video there are quicker ways to make millions because of the internet but it really isn't. It is just like playing the lottery. Sure the guy that won got a quicker way but the other millions of people are NEVER going to win.
Hit the nail on the head! That's why even if you watch this video and think to yourself "gosh, yeah, maybe I should quit my 6-figure job.....well....nahhh" (it's because, deep down, you know this 99% thing is true)
I am an old man. I discover coding can heal dementia. So every day I just download a new set of codes or any free programming book/tutorial, randomly study them a little bit, chat with the chatgpt , and modify the codes for any fun purpose. After several hours, I feel very fulfilled. That is my coding purpose for my retired boring life.
Good for you sir
This is awesome, dementia runs in my family so I guess I just got some extra motivated. Thanks
Well hes talking about the coding market. You code for fun (I do too sometimes) which is different.
Guido van Rossum (the creator of Python) also wrote code to design the Python language for fun and for keeping busy even during long holidays. I think if a man is keeping busy, he will not overthink too much. But the process of inventing the Python language can keep him fulfiilled. @@jongxina3595
Cutting down on sugar and carbs and fighting diabetes is also on of the most effective way to prevent dementia.
We need to convince more people to stop studying computer science, thus keeping competition down
With AI progression, writing code will be written by AI, the companies won't need software engineers , the boss will say I want you to write the following program.
likely the only real competition would left is for a senior position/decision maker. lower than that what you're competing with is automation technology, not humans.
@lazzi-droid1181 somebody creates and maintains them. Thus creating even more opportunity.
@@Repl1ka404No, few r needed to maintain
can't keep competition down with so many indians working remotely as programmers for cheap.
Oldfart here.
1) 20-30 years ago this industry was filled by nerds, who loved software engineering and computer science. Surface level knowledge is encouraged. It just works... until it doesn't shortly.
2) it was acceptable to be an introvert and focus on coding tasks.
3) You did not have these bloated processes with tons of meetings, employee development plans, 1 to 1 meetings.
4) Nowadays, it is more important to show off, every day on this freaking stand up meeting.
@postedback Going on old fart here. In general I encountered more purposeful beings doing something that mattered, things that they at least they thought were contributing to some greater good. I regularly encountered and interacted with people who actually cared to hone their skills and learn more. Can't say I see that I see much of that these days. Seems like most are claiming Bare Minimum Gang. That's my experience in respect with #1. In regards to #2, true, but I also had the pleasure of meeting folks who could focus and dig in technically and still get out there and be comfortable socially. Maybe it's been an even mix for me? You'll get banned or flamed for discussing what went wrong within #3, and I think #4 really informs #3.
#3 #4 you can thank the PIP factory
I saw it as, when C/C++ 'Software Engineer' became a cappuccino mocha latte hipster node.js 'Web Dev'.
Agree, stand-ups are annoying they judge you everyday what you've done and then low trust from boss and pm. Coding is fine but not working for companies.
thats a shame because ive an extreme introvert, and always loved math/ problem solving, but due to mental health in my late teens/early 20's i had a 10 year between highschool where my gpa was barely 2.5 and studying computer science with a 3.88 gpa. I know a lot of people in my classes that were almost 10 years younger than me did seem to study cs because of silly reasons like money and the fact that its an "impressive" job to tell people, those people often ending up hitting a wall pretty early and quitting.
I imagine a world in which a programmer is no longer incredible, in that world, I still see myself loving programming.
So what was it that made a programmer incredible to you?
Ok uncle bob
What does it mean if programming is not, "incredible" ?
Same. If I was a garbage man I would still code for fun after work. It's like playing video games to me. People who started doing this purely for money, sorry, it's your pain. Some of us don't have that problem.
Same.
I literally have no idea what this channel is even about anymore.
😂😂😂😂 I have been following him since 2018 and it's beautiful to see him turn from techlead to life lead
its purpose is to feed the algorithm
It’s become anthropological
i luv 2 see it@@PB111627
The same as it's always been, that TechLead is successful and rich, and is so brilliant and better than everyone. And he wish everyone to be more like him. As a millionaire. - On a serious note I do enjoy his take on different situations but it's from a very self orientated perspective, still interesting never the less.
explains the fall of coding and boom 5:15 promoting his own courses to get into tech. wtf was that🤣 and he still says it would be a life changing moment if we took this course. guy is a legend.
He doesn’t care anymore 😂
He can't even look at the camera when he's promoting it as the cognitive dissonance is just eating away at him. Integrity is everything for long term mental health and TL needs to take a long look in the mirror.
peak satire
a legend with a straight face.
guy is an npc lol
I've been a software developer since the mid-80s when I was just a kid. I started writing business software at age 18. Now I'm still developing software as a Sr. Engineer / Tech Lead and I've been with the same employer for 25 yrs now. I'll retire in 8 and live out the rest of my life on a very comfortable retirement. I am very happy I chose this career path - it's been very good for me. So what if it was a 9-5 job - I made a lot of money and I'm happy.
Yes, you are the man, I remember Muhamed ali said to kids, don't become a boxer because he was extremly lucky, he said become a lawyer a doctor, a dentist ect.. warren buffett said the same, the influencers who make it are extremely lucky but if you study and get a high paying job or become a developer you are guarenteed to have a decent living, I don't know why people compare the outliers of rap, music, youtube to your average engineer, if you compare the outliers of engineers to any other profession's outliers it's not even close, it's a no loose situation I 'm still in the beginning of my career as a dev, but will never consider quitting, maybe I will get to an administrative role as I get in my late 40s, and I will try to make my own company in the middle and see how that works, but coding and tec seems to me as the best option ever, not even debatable for me.
🤷🏾♂️ someone has to be a wage slave.
You should have switched companies and made more money
u da man!
That's impressive, I have small fluffy dog and not only can he not code he doesn't have a job (I am a crane, brrrr).
Here's how to escape: Become a Tech Lead, so you don't need to write code anymore.
Become a tech manager, and you'll never need to really work anymore.
There can be only one :)
@@BasementBerean"As a millionaire"
Nah bro. Solution Architect is where is at.
IT, Cloud and DevOps is where its at.
It's not that coding is dead it's that it's simply not enough anymore. The entry barrier is extremely different to what it was 10, 15 years ago. You need to know so much more just to land an entry level job. Even if someone wants to go the independent, internet entreprenur route, where do you even start? everythhing is so saturated. It's really grim out there and I really worry for this generation.
You need to compete with AI
@@cathychatsI had the same fear when I was teaching myself to code. Now that I am a junior I laugh at how naive I was. AI will not be replacing anyone for a long time. It is, however, an incredible tool. If you dont use it you will lose to those that take advantage of it
@cathychats
AI isn't even close to beating experienced developers. Stop believing the hype.
@@JamesSmith-cm7sg Not experienced developers. But low-level developers, yes. Anyone who is naïve enough to think AI won't effect the tech industry is going to be in for a rude awakening.
@@Noneofyourbusiness57817no, trust me, A.I. - GPT is useless in practice.
It gives you a few valuable insights and let you to transition from one language to another faster, also create code template like no other things, but when it is to write, even a simple functional implementation in PHP of an actual Wordpress button, it's struggle with errors, can't create a proper query, don't declare global variables for access and so on.
Yes, you save a bit of time if you have no idea where to start, but if you already know how to properly use code, framework, library documentation, it will not help you that much other than saving a bit of time browsing code on Git or Stack to get inspiration when you are new to the problem. You have to open docs anyway to correct the errors.
Also, A.I., GPT, can't logically think what the code would actually do. LLM will just pack together words that are most likely to get along. We, with our brains, are capable to fully understand context and guess what happen, where are the potential errors and so on.
I spent my 20s and most of my 30s traveling the world living the vagabond life like what you’re doing now, and am so ready to live a stable life and work a 9-5 “wage slave” job. Traveling all the time gets exhausting, stressful and lonely.
Not to mention that for a lot of these people, it's all show. They often have a parent funneling them money all while acting like they're out there killing it on their own.
@@CrackShot-3 I don't deny it won't be stressful, but at least I can sleep in my own bed with my weighted blanket, not have to live out of a suitcase wearing the same clothes all the time, not always googling where to eat/sleep/tour, and I get to see my friends/family on a regular basis instead of being by myself in a different city all the time.
You probably won't like the experience. I certainly don't
@@trishayable classic example of grass being greener on the other side. trust me, I was also traveling in my 20s and I miss it so much compared to my 9-5 coding job
Did the same, found a Swiss girlfriend in Thailand in my late 20 after traveling the world, did a bachelor in computer science in Switzerland with kids 10yrs younger than me and I loved every second of it. Now at 35 I'm working 9 to 5 since 3 years, married that wonderful woman, kid in his way. Like you I don't miss at all my vagabond/farmer/dj/dive master/painter life. I wanted fun, I had fun in the right timing. Now I want stability and my tech job provides.
That said, I consider I have been super lucky and my life path is not what I'd consider being a reasonable plan of life.
Many coding evangelists on RUclips have ultimately shifted to selling courses, with the majority of these courses being targeted at beginners or intermediate learners, rather than pursuing coding as their primary source of income.
Also, I've lost count of the number of channels that initially began as tech-focused channels but gradually evolved into lifestyle and personal philosophy channels.
Exactly. Day in the life of their corporate job...then they quit and sell coding courses...then self improvement...then diet and exercise 😂😂
Yea, so many of them.
Except they call them bootcamps instead of courses so they can charge 10x and cash in before their students realise AI means they'll never get the fairy tale job which was being used by the tech oil salesmen to justify the high prices 🤨
Mostly pointless plus they're oversaturating the better tutorials out there with inferiors ones. The ones from the author or main authority on the thing being coded and what they recommend are superior sources anyway, both for learning and beginners.
Even TechLead started as a coding channel, iirc.
Now hes evolved to other stuff.
Probably be because he wanted more variety with his content to attract more people.
Although I do miss his coding content
Don't listen to techlead, he's just weeds out the competition before getting back into the game, because RUclips career isn't paying out that well.
please listen to tech lead! he is the tech lead! I am barely eating just to get by being a software engineer
(tech lead is doing us a favor to kick out those mediocre devs while only in it for the money, not that it's bad but thinking you deserve it being mediocre is)
I found you on RUclips because I was looking for coding related video and I got to know your life and current situation. I enjoyed your video where you went around Japan and your connection with Japan. Greeting from Japan!!
As a developer, you are never going to get respect from the business people in a non-technological company, so it isn't about the death of the programming; it's about the culture of the company you are working for.
Nah, it's about market supply and demand. Going into an era of software engineer over supply.
That's very true. That's what I was. IT were just the nerds who had to be tolerated, and paid well at that time, but not respected.
what are you doing on youtube? get back to work, code monkey
Working for company as coder is worst than labor jobs you are constantly pushed to do more and annoyed by managment.
When he mentioned the part about "grifter...," he seemed unaware of the irony of his existence.
i am learning Python, hopefully coding is not falling. I am 66 years old
Im gonna be honest here guys, i broke into the tech field 10 years ago and the landscape is so different now. There were way more opportunities for new and intermediate devs back then. Now 90% of what I see is in contracts or senior/lead roles because they wanna hire one guy to do the work of 5 people.
Imo, this field is dying/transitioning into a more AI/automation focused profession with way less demand.
100% ... They want 5 devs for the price of one.
and this is just the beginning
pretty sure theres more opportunities now than ever tbh.
@@lemonstrangler any data you can cite for that claim?
I got into tech in 2012 and I'm done with it, now working on getting out. Totally oversaturated and I've become totally jaded with all of it, I have no real or serious interest anymore and there is no tech pathway that _truly_ excites me or that I can bring myself to even attempt to learn.
It's over. Nobody can say I didn't try.
It's happening the same way there was graphic/web design demand boom back in the mid 2000s.
What about data scientist
still need to code to be one.@@criptik5208
@@criptik5208 You mean the job where you just look at millions of data points all day long for 60 hours per week? Sifting through databases and trying to normalize your tables to make some sense out of it? That's probably the most tedious and eye straining tech job out there
@@joeseabreezesounds like a job that ai would eat up
i'm 23 and i hate to say this but you are correct. i started coding 8 years ago, and eventhough i was very young back then, coding was still very niche and nerdy. the second i started to see programming related stuff on instagram and social media in general with the lifestyle people, i knew it was over. and it's time to move to the next big thing, though i'm not sure what that is right now..
Biology
I think we are in for another 80s style coke boom. Better get in early!
@@oddjob4293 It could be a mix of code and biology, like BioTech
The time tech lead is reminiscing about is long gone. This is not news. He has made 10 or so video about it before this one.
There is no new thing, and its not a given that there will be a next thing for a very long time. Do what makes you happy. Stop caring what an influencer that makes money by stirring people up thinks.
@@JegErN0rsk wait till the influencer economy fails
I learned to code back when it was cool (1980's) and now I'm retired. My son is majoring is Psychology in college, and he seems on the multi-degree Ph.D. track, not the Starbucks Barista track. I think it's great. Mental illness seems quite the growth industry these days.
Not if people get notice how simple is to fix it
Yeah everyone is depressed nowadays
@@miles_morales1455 it's only an hormonal cycle
Yes. Mental health issues are SO predominant on a particular side of the aisle these days. I read the other day that last year, the most ever adderal prescriptions were issued in the USA. Adderal is basically legalized methamphetamine. lol
People take pills for everything these days. From attention spans, to gender cosplay. So yeah, mental health is going to be HUGE in the coming decades. Kids forced/talked into 'transitioning'(especially those w/hormones) by their woke parents today, are going to have IMMENSE social, and physical health issues in the future. So mental health, and the medical field are going to be much more massive in the future.
I remember in the early 00's, when there was such a big push for coding. I realized it wasn't sustainable to have SO MANY people to be paid, SO well. Nowadays, I was right. Layoffs left and right, and coding these days, is the equivalent of a vital job such as an overworked secretary from the 70s. They're needed, but the pay increase rate has been stagnating.
Now, there's Ai. People are coding with Ai writing the code, then the user prompting the Ai to tweak it. It's only going to become more prevalent and refined, as Ai are trained into coding more. Why have slow humans do these things which can take MONTHS, when an Ai can do it in seconds? Just as fighter pilots are probably in the last generation or two of existence due to drones, coders are in their last generation of being needed. A few of each will be around, but minuscule by todays standards.
There might be more mental illness now, but that doesn't mean a Ph.D. in psychology is going to make him money. Unless people are dumb enough to buy his service.
It's getting hard as balls to get into the field. I see sooooooooooo many people online trying to learn coding. Every 4th guy I see has "Programmer / Developer" in their bio. Every programming app on the app store has at least 1 million downloads. I'm currently studying a bachelor of computer science, like *what i feel like* half the internet does, and 70% of the people I talk to are getting into Software Development. It may not be everywhere, but I really *feel* like it is.
Your perception is wrong. CS enrollment has actually been declining in the past few years.
Some people go the bootcamp route, but that generally leads to low-end jobs. Top companies won't hire bootcamp grads.
So, if you want a SWE job, your best route is still a CS degree from a reputable university.
No fear! Nature will weed them out. Few humans are naturally cut out for this type of work just like few humans are naturally beautiful.
It is hard to get hired but not impossible. You will be fine. Most people just rely on resumes alone and don't go out of there way to make connections so they can get referrals.
I am on my 4th role, and each opportunity I had came from a referral and not just sending resumes.
I also don't have a CS degree. So with the power of CS degree and healthy networking you will have no issues.
Alot of people are BSing though. I know a few coworkers and former coworkers who's computer skill is pivot tables and vlookups and single line "select" SQL statements but their bios and linkedin make it seem like they do technical projects and coding
That's so true
Next video, the rise of coding. 😅
it's because the market has shifted from subscriber based and now influencers post individual videos. Gone are the days where you can rely on subscriber viewership. that's why he's posting independent videos seemingly unrelated and never using call backs because he's targeting unique viewers instead of subs@@barryanders
hahahahahahaha could be...
How is this not the top comment?
I'm thinking about electrical engineering with computing. Looks like manual dexterity is the future. AI dorks won't solve power grid maintenance in our lifetimes
why not just go full on electrician in a proper technical school, instead of wasting 6+ years for a bachelor on some mostly math degree
There are probably not much engineering jobs that will suffer a lot with AI. The risk are much more in fields that are resisting to introduce automation. I'm coding professionally for 15 years and while it changed a lot I would say that it just improved. But eletrical enginnering is a great thing go ahead, you can get a coding job with no problem and earn much more than a maintenance engineer, and also sleep well, and work covered from the rain
A good number of electrical engineers moved into coding in the last few years. Not a bad combination
ee better than cs
Hi I did EEE and then tranisitioned from a Electrical engineer to a Electronic Engineer and now I am a programmer running my own business. If you want to do software teach yourself. If you want to do Electrical engineering then you will need a degree, but more importantly you will need hands on experience so you do not kill yourself or others.
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lol thats true. maybe she started working ?@@skunkbaxter5299
where can i meet jenny?@@chriswalter92
IMO, full stack requirements killed coding. Used to be where you could be really good in 1 programming language, but now most top companies want you to know a little of everything instead everything of a little. Quantity > Quality coding.
Scrum and Agile Industrial Complex did more harm in fact
Feels like hes trying to convince himself that the life is living is better than his life before (with a kid and a wife where he had to stay in the same home same city). For me, i enjoy a stable life in the same city with my family.
Family and sanctuary is what it's all about, it can be a very very dark world out there, gotta cultivate the warmth from the inside.
Coding has not fallen. But it is obviously faced with a lot of competition. Every one wants to be an influencer these days. Very soon the market of influencers will be saturated.
It's already getting there. Everyone and their dog is an influencer.
Very true.
@@dokkaebi757 'dog' lol. That's true. My college friends are micro influencers in my city. But they do make money.
Coding is like making music - you have to do it because you're obssessed with it, someone who can't not do it. Otherwise it will destroy you.
I would be obsessed with it if I felt it was useful. I feel that everything has already been made, and AI is replacing coders. This demotivation is what stops me from being obsessed with it. I'd have been obsessed if I discovered it in the 20th century.
@@SuperYtc1 Understandable. But in everyday life it doesn't matter if something has been made before. There's always someone who wants a custom version of it. I guess it has to do with one's self image as a developer. Many people, especially from the Americas want to always innovate and invent new things. But the reality isn't as glamorous, or at least it doesn't have to be. You can also just be like a carpenter. That's what it often looks like in Europe and honestly I'm glad. I'm tired of a pompous tech industry that, at this point, would probably name a simple spreadsheet program after a superweapon from a scifi movie.
TL performing a service to humanity. The "developers" who got into CS and coding for the high salaries generally suck anyways. You want the people who are passionate about software development and willingly do it no matter how much you try to dissuade them.
Unless they're white men. I don't think you should hire them.
your will is second to ability
I found the 45k per year software engineer.
@@Musa_Supremehe is true most of them burn out or do the bare minimum
Yeah because c# developers get laid off right 😭😭
Good coders are the ones who can also understand the business they work for. Coding is half of the story.
And it's still a good field if you're up to the challenge to learn everyday for the rest of your career.
Agreed.
Is AI coding not just a hype? I think coding is less than a half. Maybe 20 percent. You have to understand the business, do meetings, make models. Convert the models into code (no code / low code). And then code something whats not excisting.
I would say coding is less than half.
Sure, understanding coding is super helpful, because you can (with experience) see in advance where your modelling will run you into a corner. But actually understanding what is needed/having a way to inquire to get the requirements/thinking where your feature will be used on a larger scale seems to be a really rare skill.
Being a lifetime coder, I definitely advise against becoming coder now. 20 to 30 years ago, it was a prestigious profession.
Now is a good time to be a professional kid makers. This is the only time that others would pay to raise your own kids. Ace your kid making interviews with ex-Witcher/ex-Simp training.
Why not ? What about data sceintist? Which proffesion is best then?
So prestigiousness is the most important thing?
When you got legendary exam takers, so called "hard workers" from China and India who have been grinding the sh1t out of them since age 5, and all of them have done 1000+ leetcode problems and they can write the optimal solution using their feet with eyes closed while explaining it aloud, you know it's a sh1t race. @@maxb306
Nope.. coding is still very much in demand
This mf is giving anxiety attacks to students who are trying to get into computer science
if they're really into it and not just for the money, they will do it anyways :) Just like how most artists, no matter if they didnt get big, do gigs no matter how little is the pay.
Why? If they are studying computer science, their academic future is not going to be affected in a slightest. They will still write and publish their own research papers, no AI can replace them. I hope people who study CS are not going to be wasted as code.monkeys, right?
@@digie3823this I have wanted to be a programmer since I got my first computer in 2nd grade so I have no backup plan this is it for me
Is funny how the video is about the dead of coding but is at the same time sponsored by his website that teach how to land a coding job 😂😂🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂
Tech Lead is a legend.
I got a CS degree in 2019. I never got accepted for a job. I think woman centric hr policy makes it basically impossible.
give it up and do something fun
I have no CS and still easily get a job in Devops.. so the problem is you
what did you study to get a job as a Devops...@@reeldeelz2940
True
Strange... I got CS degree in 2019 as well and I've worked at multiple companies. I've gotten most interviews i apply for too. And I am by no means a genius.
"it's not that coding has fallen
coding is just as cool as it was in the 1980s
it's just that nobody wants a 1980s job anymore"
I like how there is an unstated point here that making a living by being an influencer, is just as possible or likely as being a SE. It's not.
As a tech lead myself, I would gladly trade it all in for being an influencer, traveling and making cool content.
Influencers usually get pigeon holed into doing one type of content over and over and over and over for the rest of their lives, seems the same as a corporate job where you don't work for yourself.
In reality, influencers are just cheap pennies for the dollar advertising drones for the mega corps.
Thank you tech lead, I discovered your channel about a year ago and during the time that I watched most of your videos honestly you gave me a lot of motivation. Since I have no friends and my family doesn't really care about me I never had any sort of motivation to do anything honestly. I was pretty much a straight A student but I never really studied anything or put the time into a skill, I just paid attention in class and that was it. When covid came my grades dropped tremendously because I spent my time watching porn, naruto shippuden, movies and just being a sloth with my dirty family in the dirty apartment we lived in. Anyways fast forward now in community college last year I really wasn't doing anything, sure I was getting the good grades like I always did but thats all, I went to school, went home, did nothing and thats it. I didn't invest in any skill. I then discovered your channel and it made me start learning web development along with some other stuff and also sparked my interest in learning German which is something I always wanted to do. I love your rants most of all since thats how I feel about most people around me, stupid and lazy, because they are but I don't have enough to back it up like you do so its like my motivation fuel. Its motivating to see myself being successful enough that I could spit in the face of my someone stupid and laugh in their face. Thank you for all the ego boost!😎
don't go spitting in other peoples faces lilbro 😐
bruh
Why do we compare influencers against developers in this video?
Coding is dead because they can't compete against celebrities and fame, for real?
Because its about attention and money. Coding is the slow trickle, like he said with no attention.
nah, coding isn't dead at all, Influencers and developers have different roles and skill sets. Influencers may have fame and a large following, but developers have the power to create and innovate through software. It's not a competition, both have their own value and contribute in different ways. So, don't worry, coding is still very much alive and kicking.
6:05 "But the software engineer is the KING of the wage slave" LOL
It's very simple. Independents were the starting point, all programmers start as that. Then corporations that have to pay their secretaries and executives and ceos and distributors and everything started offering good stable wages for the job, and then publicly traded companies tried to favor their stockholders over their employees and customers, money went into trying to game the consumers wallets rather than making something good and beneficial, and now that the independent programmers have decided they would prefer to stay that way, or go back to being independent, we have this idea that independent work, self employment, is becoming popular. It's not, independence is the default, people are just tired of the executive branches having all the say and all the money, and all the bargaining power, taking away working from home was just the last straw for some people.
It starts innocent, then builds, then money rises the top. Happened to the gaming industry, first indie games, then becomes over-saturated, then whoever has the money to pay off the influencers now gets noticed.
Everything he says is essentially as it should be. Being a developer is nothing unusual. And it's normal. It's just a period of becoming a "new" profession in the marketplace relative to others. I'll tell you a big secret - developers have never been rock stars. It's a regular profession on par with everyone else. And oh boy, he discovered that most people on planet Earth are not interested in code, but in tic-toc, youtube videos (sarcasm). Wow. Were we born yesterday or what?
right! of course its a 9-5 normal job and you wont get rich working one year, its a NORMAL job.
Well, it was special since IME most are smarter than average
ofc its normal wdym ?
He is not killing any competition because everything he says is right. Software engineering has fallen that’s why the job market is so competitive. Everything he said is right and unless you are a phd or masters student who started coding in high school and made few apps with good internships you aren’t getting a job and should pursue some other career. I hate when people say he is killing the competition because if your competition doesn’t pursue CS after watching this video they weren’t your competition in the first place. Your real competition is those Indians and Asians who are 1000 times smarter than you having solved every leetcode questions and unless you have the same drive as them, sorry to break it to you but u aren’t gonna make it.
I must be an exception. I learn to code at 35 and got hired at 39 been in the industry for four years now and don't have a CS degree and not the best at leetcode.
Lol, I would definitely not get hired at a fang company.
I feel like there are many paths in tech. And many opportunities. Maybe they are not paying the 250k salaries like they used but I am ok with getting 120k.
I'm 17 years old Japanese.
Do you mean I still have a chance to become a software engineer and win in the market?
@@user-qe4zr6ey5cdepends on how smart you are
See thats the thing and a common misconception as ex engineer for HP let me tell you asians are just as incompetents as the lowest race. People like u have this weird stereotypes that chinese and indians are very smart. Ha quiet the contrary. Chinese person may be book smart but he will have 0 awareness or social skills or any other skills. They are also racist. Indians are lazy. And take extra time off on purpose to do a job. For example a job they can do in one day they stretch it out to 2 weeks who do u think elon musk fired? And also not even employee but these jobs are outsourced to cheap labor overseas by subpar guys no smarter than the Chad in your high school they are just of a more privelege class in their country we are in a rat race against global competition. Not to mention indians and asians are very racist and closed minded. They arent smarter than me or you its all a business getting greedier and greedier
Indians.....ARE ASIANS too bro.
Yup it takes at most a decade to get sick of software engineering to be honest. Its a job for fresh souls who still have excitement about this
Totally agree and even thought about making a comeback doing it after 10 years in another role, but honestly I know I would hate it and would not want to go through that slog again
The coding part is fine, it's the toxic people you will have to deal with day in day out that will burn you out.
Coding was never cool outside of the US. Still, I just got a dev job thanks to coding and money will always be cool.
That said I became a dev because programming has always been my passion.
If you try to get into software development just for the money you will hate it and you will suck at it.
The ppl who will suffer are JS only developers who learned frameworks just to push products .
Less People Code = Higher paying jobs, please quit!
yes yes yes. Tech is bad now, tech does not pay well anymore
The good old zero sum game fallacy. Did you know that belief in this fallacy very strongly correlates with low IQ and low academic performance?
Kinda true though high demand, high salary. Low demand low salary.
I’m a software engineer and I’ve been thinking about pivoting ever since ChatGPT came out. Seems like using my programming skill on something I’m passionate about and work for myself might be the way to go because it’s getting harder and harder to get a decent size slice of that pie anymore.
The more I read job and company descriptions, the less I want to spend the time of my life on that nonsence. Fully agree with you on working for self.
You can never make money doing what everyone else is doing, grifters, independents, dropshippers, influencers will almost always get into something once the ship has already sailed.
I don’t think it’s fallen. 2 of my buddies I served with in the Army work at AWS. One is a college drop out, another has a psychology degree. They are both doing very well for themselves and they inspired me to get into this field. I work in Fintech as a back end developer and I just got out of the army a few months ago. All 3 of us went to boot camps. I think this field is highly respected, and still has great growth potential the next 20 years according to BLS and job demand. It’s just hard to break into. Can confirm that outsourcing still happens even within large companies.
How the hell did you get a job in IT with little experience during this market??
What an incredible sample of 3 people.
@@KG-ut7kl Tons of networking my friend. I started a blog on Medium to document my journey into tech while leaving the Army. I also studied and my AWS Cloud Practitioner Cert. My interpersonal skills and networking really paid off, but it took months.
Cool to see your travels. Glad to see you are having fun. I am at the end of my career as SE, tech manager, etc. It has been a good run, but it is time to find something else to do as I reach retirement age.
Thank you for your input, enjoy retirement !
I feel like it’s worthwhile skill for self and freelancing. I feel like if you’re good, you can make more money freelancing than you can working for someone else especially as a junior or mid level engineer. Working for a company doesn’t make it fun anymore. The LC grind and tech interviews is killing coding
I love programming. I sold my business for 70m and spend my time build game engines these days. It's pure bliss.
In my day Devs were not making much money. It's always been business owners and still is today.
^^^ is correct! Translate your passion and skill into a business model for XYZ and you'll never work a boring day in your life.
you can always count on the TechLead to tell you what you don't wanna hear
thats true lol.
I think you nailed it. People have just woken up to the reality that even if you are making a ton of money working in tech, if you're still tied down with a 9-5, it's still not peak.
most coders are not making a ton of money anyway, that's a delusion. Look up statistics and be in awe.
@@Danuxsy please elaborate more
@@ArifWiwitan Like for example if you don't live in the Bay Area, NYC, Austin, you really don't make that much!
you earn decent tho @@davidlee1467
What's wrong with working 9-5 lol???? Not everyone can be an entrepreneur or there are almost 0 jobs where you can working less than 40 hours a week for high salaries
Je pense que techlead a bien compris que les mauvaises nouvelles se vendaient beaucoup mieux que les bonnes
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I see a parallelism with the boom of professions like architect. Nobody wanted to be a worker but an architect. Years later, we have an army of millions of architects but nobody is capable of building a building, because there are no workers. In the world of software, it is similar, everyone wants to be a software engineer, but that is not an end in itself, the end is to meet a need (the need is not to be an architect, but to build houses).
Software engineers are old and dead, now it's 'web dev' 😑
Let's keep simple:
Before 2021 the rate was negative or almost 0=> consequence tec company hired people and try to create something.
Now the rate it's high, so they prefer use the money into market and not in hiring people.
The more I hear coding is falling the more i want to master it
Your presence in RUclips shorts really inspiring. Killing it
When I was a kid there was no such a thing as programming .. I was playing with electronics and low voltage electronics.. I love that power to build something cool ... Programming is same .. you can just build something cool ( I am not into building like house or stuff) so thats why I like programming :)
Yep, you’re right on the money. Micro attention span, Instant gratification + a narcissistic demand for attention = The Independent
That is what people "like" watching.
Some people like "Info" on youtube also.
I'm sorry everyone, this is my fault. I made a career switch to software engineering a year ago, after being told since I was in high school in the 1990s that it's an oversaturated field. Now it actually is over saturated. If anyone has any ideas on which job field I should switch to and bring to an end next, let me know.
You are probably in the wrong country. In germany, Switzerland... Everywhere software engineers are searched. We need 100 000 + at least
@@mxz2024 Wow, ok good to know. I'm in the US and I made the career switch so I could work outside of the US fairly easily. I'll make sure to keep Germany and Switzerland in mind when I look for my next company next year.
@@iyasugames i think IT specialists are searched worldwide. I cannot believe that the market is saturated. But anyways, keeo in mind, in the US you get paid the most as a software engineer. Especial at the known big tech companies. In switzerland and in germany it is still good but not as much
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@@mxz2024I definitely need an engineering role, just got into the field and there's like 0 opportunities to get into a junior level role as it has 2-3 more specific tech stacks in the job requirements.
I've been in and out of my room a few times. its been an exhilarating week .
yeah same. I will occasionally go downstairs. what a day.
When I was more involved in actual programming I was what was known as a "coding pig". As in someone who spends the far majority of their time at work coding and little else. I wouldn't want to be that today. Sure there is still a lot of work that involves coding that needs to be done. But companies today are looking for more than just someone who has written a lot of code.
I've never heard of this term, "coding pig". Where in the world do you live?
I heard of code monkey but never coding pig lol it sounds worse than monkey
@@aaron___6014he meant coding is grunt work. What do pigs do? Well they grunt lol
I decided to go all-in on software. This was just the motivation I needed
It is still a good career option. I got into it late. And even with all this AI hype. I would still not change anything. Was the best decision I ever made.
@@CodingAfterThirty thanks. Just need to have faith!
Have fun being a wage slave and having a miserable and fully miserable life
it really is, coming from someone who just learns as a hobby and maybe job. theres lots of human judgement in jobs all across, its a big risk for employers to completely have them replaced @@CodingAfterThirty
@@CodingAfterThirty made my first little app now for a missionary doctor in India..
Merry Christmas brother. Let's stay in touch!
Actually Europe is the perfect place to work remotely for US companies. You have the day free for yourself, and you only start working at 6pm or 3pm, depending on whether you company is on the West or East coast.
Bootcamps destroyed the tech world by convincing people for a couple of grand anybody could become a full stack developer.
Hey, greetings from Italy. I just wanted to say that it had quite an impact on me to see the images of Pompeii. I know the area well because I'm currently working on software for the park to monitor the archaeological site. It's a very interesting project; for an ancient area, they are pursuing some rather innovative solutions. Good luck with everything.
Software engineering is going the way of the auto industry. It will slowly become automated to the point where there will be very minimal human interaction.
I give it 3 to 5 years before we really see how decimate the entry level jobs. Then it will steam roll into higher level jobs.
The shift in tech will be the hardware side. there is going to be a huge need to build/maintain servers like never before.
Question is: if all junior positions become replaced by AI and the companies will only be hiring seniors, then how on earth is the new talent going to be picked up and grow into new mid / sr roles? Today's seniors will retire soon, and what next?
@Hofniel Same way the auto industry did it. The work force needed will dwindle down to 10% of its former self, and then the companies will reboot the entire hierarchy of the jobs. Pretty soon it's going to no levels of devs, and mainly ai will program with a handful of humans as guides.
What we need is offline AI, those GPUs need to get way way stronger on the consumer level so everything is offline and no login or authentication required. When AI is in the hands of the people instead of the mega corps in that way, offline, off the cloud, then things are going to get really fun.
You have no idea what ai is lol .
In 2010 self driving cars were announced
@@Hofniel very good point here, this where comes all the answers, it means that tech industries will still looking for young talents during the transition of retired seniors so there is still hope for junior
One of my biggest regrets in life was having a tech career as a db dev and sys admin. Everything he talks about in these videos is spot on.
what is a DB dev?
what would you rather have done?
@@Music-gw4qf database dev...writing sql all day mostly
@@bodazephyr6629 I had no other choices as a grad in 2010 there were hiring freezes nationwide. Worst job market since Great Depression. I couldn't get hired literally anywhere. I got rejected from min. Wage jobs constantly. Then after 2 incredibly long years in my childhood bedroom at 22-24 I finally got an internship at a startup. Meanwhile I had a B.S. in Math. So it's a bit of a fantastical question. I had no choice. The short answer is Im not an office job type of person.
@@indiegrab360 So, you don't have a job?"
Coding no longer has the prestige that it used to. My second job, I had my own corner office at 21-ish. Then as time went on, my workspace got smaller and smaller, to the point I was sharing a cubicle, And the pay started getting worse and worse, I have lucked out with my current position, but yeah I don't sit at home and code for fun or learn on my own anymore. I want to get away from the computer soon as possible, unless I'm gaming or something entertainment related.
That is interesting. When I made the decision to switch to coding I wanted something that pays well and also gives me opportunity to build my own product or service.
I have no CS degree and make a decent income. My sister went to university and now going for her masters. And still not at my income level.
I get that the fields is changing. But I just dont know what other professions still compete with the salaries that tech provides outside of being a doctor or a lawyer.
A lot . Marketing managers for example. I think you need to broaden your horizons abit
I love how you incorporate real-world examples into your tutorials. It makes learning so much easier!
I hope people see the irony in this dudes statements. He is driving his arguments with his own bias towards influencers since he obviously has now shifted towards being an influencer. Ofcourse his ideals are going to change. He doesnt need to code he's obviously enjoying the benefits of being an influencer with all the damn sponsorships he has. Anyone who takes this guys advice needs to question their sanity.
I work as a software engineer and have to say that this field as Tech Lead states is one of the best wage slave jobs around but, the market is trash and the social status that went along with it has waned. The only reason I'd tell someone to get into this industry is if they don't have any better alternatives or plan to use it for entrepreneurial ventures and that's extremely difficult. This is not a glamourous career.
What does "weined" mean?
@Fitzrovialitter Apologies...I meant waned.
Never was a glamourous career. in the 90s people worked 80 hrs a week in tech jobs. The pay wasn't that great either.
I think wages will decline too, especially if AI actually get a foot in the market and is able to generate vast amounts of the code and project structures.
its more glamourous now than before honestly. no one really knew this before
Reparation for all programmers who have slaved away their lives in front of a computer 💻 screen instead of living it up to the fullest GTA style.
What you talking about? I still log on daily ;)
wow whats your life like?
I’ve been in development for the last 10-15 years and it is different now. There were jobs just doing HTML/CSS when I started, now not so much. I’d agree if you’re new this might not be the best field. I’ll probably stick around till they show me the door.
what you recommend to pursue now
@@gauravgupta8770 I don't really know, but if I was younger I think may be looking outside the US for places to live.
That’s gotta be the dumbest recommendation ever . You realize we have the cheapest cost of living for modern countries??? And the lowest unemployment rates ??
Those last few opinions in last few videos are very mature. It is upset to said that but I agree with them and I have same observation. But find solution is hard. Young developer need to spend some time to understand that. For experienced developer is not so easy to find idea for life and earn the same money for life. A lot of bussines do not make sense and people stuck in stagnation.
I think it is more about the personality and preferences than it is about the job itself. Career gives things beyond money and wages.
love the new video style keep it up I am addicted to this channel
I recommend being a lawyer instead of a software engineer. My friend just got out of law school and she bills most work at 220/hr, which is about $400,000 per year. Her dad owns the law firm. If you want to be rich, be the lawyer that all other lawyers work for. He says that dumb lawyers defend criminals because criminals don't have money. He specializes in property law.
Smart. Very smart.
lol "Her dad owns the law firm." that's why they're making that kind of money right out of law school
Then Saul Goodman came along.
@@gmas :lol:..Dad could own a big tech consulting firm and she could make even more.
Except it's boring dude. You're obviously young. What exciting thing do you do for a living?
Funny, this is the only time I’ve felt empowered to be a programmer on my own.
For someone who says they're not putting out high value content anymore, that sure was some valuable insight that average 9-5'ers probably wouldn't be able to see.
What am I getting a CS degree for I'm about to reach 23 soon and thinking of making an app that has ML in it and start my own indie journey. What should I be doing if not coding if that what you did past 4 years?
I ain't social media type of guy or good at entertainment as I'm a scientist and mathematician not an artist.
Been through animating and turns out I was only temporarily passionate cuz I did some robotics and some few electronics
Coding wasn't cool 20 years ago. The whole premise of going to software engineering is to understand how to manage large projects. Coding are for code monkeys.
Yes, american coders are competing with Indian coders who will do it for 1/20th the price. It is a race to the bottom.
@@pluto8404but those are just coders. If you are a software engineer and even better have project lead skills, you are on a, different level
@@mxz2024 that's my point. Majority of the coders these days just connect things without really understand why or how. The art is lost.
@@jasonchen-alienroid it s still there but it is more divided in low-code and no-code solutions, which mostly can be outsourced. Also because we have more tools and a higher level of abstraction with modern programming languages. and of course be ause capitalism. The need and wish of reducing costs, so easy tasks like just the coding is outsourced. But there are still people needed who plan and concept the software architecture in detail. This is still the same art.
@@mxz2024 yeah, planning is the software engineering I was referring to. The implementation art is generally lost because people just want to get it done fast instead of taking the time to evaluate the trade-offs.
I'm a programmer that works from home and makes 350k in my first job but it sucks because I have to work 9-5 as a wage slave and only get 3 weeks vacation
Nice.
Well, minus the lack of vacation.
What industry are you on? AI or somekind of crypto?
hey dude could i dm you? im lost on how to get started in industry
You are kidding me. I was last week in Greek and I will be next week in Italy too.
As always great video. You, just talking and giving your thoughts, is really enjoyable.
Most of the doom is predicated on the idea that being a professional dev is about writing code. For me, that's maybe 40% at most. The rest - writing tests that actually do what they need to do,, trying to refine requirements, dealing with infrastructure and processes, contributing to system design, supporting the live product, sharing domain knowledge with others - isn't something you can do with ChatGPT. Maybe I'm complacent, idk, but if my roles have been typical, AI can only reasonably come after a subset of the role
I have fun writing code, even though it looks like I add very little value when, e.g. I map API response to a data structure. I am happy for AI (or a solid framework) to take that over. But it turns out that telling things in natural language to a bot (ok ok LLM) is way more complicated than simply writing the code in the most specific language there is - a strongly typed programming language.
Chatgpt is only the beginning baby. AI will grow powerful rapidly.
I won't say coding jobs will become 100% dead. But just like content writing/copywriting, it's salary would go down drastically.
That's the main issue: salary. The main issue is not whether it will go extinct.
Accurate video. The easy money programming days are gone. It peaked during the pandemic.
We’re around the age of influencers. This is currently peaking. AI influencers are an interesting wave happening now. I see accounts on social media with fake people targeting micro niches. A savvy person can run hundreds of these accounts, gaining insight and finding things to sell.
The society collapse is gonna happen soon.
Programming is a great tool, specially in this digital age. If you can make money with it, it will depend in a lot of factors. But knowing about programming is a good as learning about electricity. It won't make you rich (depends) but it's useful nonetheless.
That said, if you really don't want to learn it or you simply don't care about it, there are other skills that are way more "profitable" than programming.
Can you name some other fields? From what I hear, going into sales can be *highly* lucrative even just starting out, but it's easier said than done.
I also would like to know these other fields
With that said, electricians make a killing these days because they're fewer.
Thanks for being the realest always 🙏🏽
techlead: "yeah basically coding is dying"
also techlead: "so I've been on a tour throughout italy and other beautiful places"
Content is king. All of this rhythmic coding is to showcase your content to the world. That’s all it really is, educating and entertaining. So go ahead broadcast yourself and become a celebrity. I rather be the boring guy and continue to be the unpopular non-famous guy in the corner on his computer.
I'd blame masses of people and the algorithm instead of individuals, the individual just finds a way to bank on it.
I'm just glad you only stayed retired for like 2 weeks.
Nice to see you in Italy I was there for vacation this April all the minori coast plus Roma, Florencia, and Napoli, in Rome please go to the Amore restaurant near the Coliseum it is outstanding, you won’t regret it.
By the way excellent video the corporation’s owners are trying to “put workers in their place”. We all know the news about Tim Gurner they all think the same we need to stop being sheep!
your video back to normal. good to watch!!!!thanks techlead
OMG! I'm living on Lake Como .... happy to see your edgy video more than ever🎉
I’m a 25 year plus software developer and have been out of a job for getting close to a year. Finally wised up a few months ago and have been neck deep learning everything AI related since. Regular programmers are going to be extinct within less than two years anyway.
any tips? 🥰
Good bro. Don’t get left behind. We always have to stay current or specialize in COBOL or something.
If u still have the mindset of ‘oh this is this new thing!? I should just learn it then I’ll be fine’ you haven’t wised up at all. You’re stuck on a hamster wheel my friend
@@assmonkey9202 or maybe he just don't have 10m in the bank like you do lilbro ahahah 😂 donkey
Yeah because of old tech from the 80s is still used I’m sure AI will replace everything in a few years right ?
Im interested in your opinion...my dad was an IBM software engineer for Playtex and had every certification IBM offered in the 70's 80's, 90's, im a marine mechanic and build yachts. I admit I know nothing. What do you think the limit is for ai and how do you think it will altimately affect the world???
Love❤ your stuff mate 🦘😊