Amen. If your company has any sort of education benefit, definitely take advantage. I picked up a few AWS certifications before I got hit with a round of layoffs, made job hopping much easier.
When you give your all, you often end up feeling like a pawn in someone else's game. The harder you work, the more they mock you, only to show you the door eventually. That's precisely why we should explore avenues to make money independently, even if it means venturing into the realm of RUclips. I'm planning to start my own channel, where I'll share anecdotes about the quaint canal behind my house and, well, spiders, of all things! Can't say for sure if the channel will soar, but let's embark on this adventure together and find out! 😄
Yup. Asked for a raise after i found a new hire was getting 18% more than me. Got told they dont have the budget. Got a call a few weeks later telling me that was my last week. Make 30% more now.
Exactly. He's another in a long line of RUclips Losers who must make up shit and pretend they're more than just a dude in front of a mic ordered off Amazon.
As someone who is going through a similar situation, all I can say is that I learned one crucial lesson: You are never 100% an indispensable asset, to any company. If you think to yourself that you are a superb developer (perhaps you are) and you are too good to get fired, then think again. The upside in my case is that I finally had some free time to focus on some languages and frameworks that I always wanted to learn.
100% correct. I am being laid off next week and I'm the core developer on a highly profitable application. My entire team is being eliminated and the application will be supported by developers offshore in India
Yup, absolutely true. I worked for a company that did a layoff and I was one of the many people to get hit. It was 100% about getting costs under control because they let other people go with years and years of experience compared to me. I would have NEVER let those experienced people go! Oh well. I didn't take the layoff personally, I just moved on.
the important and enduring thing is that you acted with a lot of integrity. when i was laid off as a software engineer 9 years ago in my early 20s, it was traumatic and i processed it in an unhealthy way. but how you're conducting yourself here with such grace is something so commendable. a job will always be temporal, but how you handled it and the path you follow is what matters.
Got laid off from my IT job yesterday while in a bathroom at McDonald's. I've never been laid off or fired in my early career, this was the most I've ever made, felt like I'd stay here for many years, and now I feel more lost than ever. Update: it gets better!
Dude, many years later you'll look at this as just a moment in your life.. Usually people grow the most in hard times, just don't doubt yourself much in life, and you'll be well!
to be truly great, you must experience the true highs in life and also the absolute lows. it builds character. the true greats are the ones who rise from the ashes and become top dogs again.
Lesson learned from this is: NEVER listen to a manager/ job when it comes to your livelihood (and decline better opportunities), especially if the job can't even afford to keep you as a good loyal employee! And that goes for any career! I've done that tomfoolery, and loyalty is NOT worth it! This is a business on both ends, my time is my money!🤦♀️😭
You learned your lesson, DO NOT STAY. Once you have your offer from another place and you tell your manager that you want to leave, you're going to be overlooked on many opportunities, you're marking yourself for deletion. Especially at a big org where the management changes often and you do not have a real relationship with your manager.
For those that want to stay, self-reflect, ask yourself why do YOU want to stay? After you've convinced yourself that it's a great work environment, interesting work, blah blah blah, and there is room to further your career, then talk to your manager about the things you like and see what they can do to get you an out of cycle promo or raise.
It's a bit of a curse for people who are passionate about computer science and/or software development. Employees know that and take advantage. They get you way too comfortable in taking on this job as a way of life. Once I stopped doing that, I was much happier having my relationships and hobbies do that for me. It's a healthier source of gratitude. Plus, my hobbies can't lay me off 😊
Unless you die homeless, hungry in the cold somewhere. Yes, your hobbies can lay you off, to an early grave. You are stable only because you exist between to states, otherwise oblivion. So please save (no hoard) cash and assets, then chase your hobbies, with money/assets to back you up.
I remembered getting my first job right after you got a job a bolt after teaching myself coding for two years while working as cabin cleaner. it is pretty amazing. i'm excited for this next chapter of yours!
Just wanted to say your videos inspired me to learn to code and eventually land a job. Wishing you all the best, this video gave me a lot of inspiration.
Tech goes thought these cycles of boom and bust. I am now retirement age and I have been through at least 5, but never laid off, but saw the company just sort of start dying so went on to something else. You will get a new job soon, hopefully doing something even more challenging, creative. and rewarding. Best of luck in the future!
I believe you 100% made the right call. Although it's great you managed to convince management not to get rid of you, the fact that you came within a hair's length of losing your job very shortly after your manager talked you into abandoning external offers sets a very bad precedent in my opinion, and if I was in your shoes this would have planted seeds of doubt and distrust going forward and I would have immediately started looking for another job.
I think for most of us is not really leaving a company that causes anxiety. Its rather the fact that we know that we have to go through a bunch of unpleasant and often humiliating job interviews to get our paychecks again.
I resonate with this so much. Was laid off 2 weeks ago from my first SWE job, the 3rd round was also the one that got me, and it was just pure confusion and anxiousness all around. Stay strong and enjoy the break!
I feel u…. Been in a similar situation before and now that I have more life experiences (I’m 41) my advice is: If you decide to go then leave! Don’t let your manager/boss convince you… If you made a choice then continue going thru that path and never look back! Companies are formless entities, companies don’t have feelings and they don’t love/hate u… you are just a disposable piece, a number without name and easily replaceable!
That must have been a crazy couple of days for the managers. The engineer showed passion, they fight for the Engineer, company agrees to their proposal, Engineer accepts, then the very next day the Engineer decides to take the voluntary firing? I get the sense that in the future those managers are not gonna have the same heart to fight to keep a passionate Engineer as they did this time. In the best case scenario they'll watch this video and learn ways to organically inspire that Pros-Cons of staying before they go to bat for the Engineer.
A manager that asked someone to stay that could have left on their OWN terms, and then 3 weeks, has to tell that person they're getting the boot, is a "manager" with ZERO insight. Don't kid yourself too much either as far as managers "going to bat" for someone. We're wired for self preservation, I guarantee that manager, like any person, was saying "thank God it's not me.."
Imagine someone begging you stay and turning down great offers to let them Go… within a month. & they knew about firing more months in advance. Managers “fuck around” & they found out 😭
@@ChristhianGT "begging" is interpretive, and as I said, a manager that asked him to stay, most likely had zero insight as to what was coming. Logically speaking, that simply wouldn't make sense. His leaving voluntarily would have done the manager's job for him. The only motive a manager would have for stringing someone along that I can see, is the completion of a particular project they were working on.
The advice that I'm not hearing in any of these stories is this: YOU MAKE MORE MONEY THAT PRACTICALLY ANY OTHER PROFESSION IN THE WORLD. Even doctors and lawyers are pretty envious of tech pay! The minute you start working that 200k job, you should live on only HALF and save the rest for the impending disaster that will ALWAYS come. If you don't get laid off, you will begin to amass investments that will eventually give you the freedom to choose what you want to do and take risks. Good luck.
I think the title is very misleading. You basically "begged" for your job back. They were considerate enough give you another shot because obviously the best developers in their "opinion" stayed. You took a moment to self reflect and realized if you didn't get your skill level back up they would be in the same situation again. Right now the tech market is terrible and people who didn't beg with dignity are suffering "STOP WITH THE CLICKBAITS AND STOP RECORDING EVERYTHING is nothing private anymore"
Well done dude, leaving on your own terms is hard. I've been through similar. I wish you well in your future choices and look forward to sharing them with you via the channel.
ive been in tech for almost 30 years , through layoffs , recessions , restructuring , career changes , career re-changes . still here , still needed . when you have been around the economic loop a few times of its not a big deal . dont take things personally , its just business and there will always be business out there , dont look back .
wow hold on, did I get it right, so: 1 He gets some good offers from another companies, and tells his manager he quits. 2 Manager asks him to stay 3 He: okay 4 Three weeks later he gets fired, argues with manager he should stay. Manager is like: uuhm, no. 5 Later he convinces manager that he is worthy to stay. 6 Next day manager is like: okay. And he is like: I quit. Ummm, okay.., who am I to judge. Interesting story though. All the best!
I have never committed to any company as a software engineer. I am committed to my work as a software engineer, and for some reason, I developed the idea that companies are just tools for achieving my primary goal of buying a house and car and saving money. I was able to become debt-free in about seven years. Now, I choose when to work and who to work. That is one of software engineers' biggest perks if you are smart. A lot of people buy the corporate hype, slaving themself into embracing a culture that does not really care about you. Please do not fall for it is a trap.
Farming is thankless, unprofitable back breaking work and your farm and family can fold after one unexpected weather event. Working for a company or in an office is multiple times easier, more profitable, and less strenuous physically.
Good choice. Some words of advice, this won't be the last as well. The key here is to know when to start looking and finding a Job while you still have one so that you can bargain with the new company. Always look for signs and the moment you start seeing any type of layoff is time to move on and land a better job with higher pay while you still have leverage. Good Luck.
Thank you, I’m currently struggling rn as a new grad trying to find a job and this video has given me a lot of the passion that I lost when it came to software. You’ve earned a subscriber and a like!
It did the opposite for me. I've been struggling to find a job for nearly 2 years. I don't think it's worth worrying if I get to keep my job, especially after having to endure such a gruelling job search process.
Who would ever thought software engineers would be losing their jobs today? When I was in high school, all I heard was study computer science in college you will always have a steady job.
Damn dude sorry to hear that but it sounds like you made the right choice. I’m also a SWE in NYC at a FAANG (you could probably guess which one), happy to help you out if you choose to come back to this side of things but I’m really rooting for your channel to take off so you don’t have to!
Man more power to you man. It's kind of crazy how your livelihood is discussed behind closed doors without your input and you work at a supposedly great and awesome company in probably the best field in the world.
When you told your boss that you got an job offer, you wanted to leave and they convinced you to stay. You never believe that you really want you to stay. They will lay off you once they do not need you. I learned my lesson. If you have an offer, just leave.
Those "survivor meetings" right after a layoff. They are saying how sorry they are to have to layoff employees, while you are sitting thinking about how to rewrite your resume and send it out. Its like two people who don't like each other but agreed to do lunch anyways.
bro nice, I did something similar in essence, but like 30% of it. I decided to take a career break, right before layoffs started. I wasn't sure if I could afford it, as I had some savings but a lot of it was cut in half in the market. And I just moved to NYC too. But I did it anyways. I've done several interviews and failed with the competition and still am preparing for other opportunities. At times it's hard, but I'm glad I had some savings, and really was important that I took a personal break for myself. We tend to limit ourselves. At worst, i can do many other jobs, even service related, or move back in with my parents lol. It's not the end of the world. Also your youtube is fire man, keep doing it, and you may not need to program again!
@5:14 - you got an offer from outside, but you let your current company counter you ?!?!?! My man, never, ever take a counter offer... it puts a big red target on your back - sorry you gone thru this... better days on the other side tho
Great sharing all this info! Super generous! I was also laid off from a tech company a few months ago. For me personally, it's been one of the best things to ever happen to me. It was the push I was probably needing, but not brave enough to take myself.
Having worked oil/gas for years, the layoffs are the norms. I took the 1st round because the severance was awesome, I was able to take the year off. My coworker held out till they laid him off & he got a crap package. Ended up a moving from upstream to midstream & had better opportunities. Moving from Finance over to programming.. but I'll always have my finance to fall back on in the event of another lay off.
I literally stumbled across this post while battling insomnia. This really hits home for me - as my employer is planning to layoff 40 cloud engineers. I don’t know if I will indeed be laid off. Kinda hard to justify keeping our team with no endusers. This post gives me hope - as either way it goes, I will survive. Kudos for leaving on your own terms!! I wish you all the best.
I support a major application that isn't making any money. Just got word that my entire team is getting laid off and the application will move to offshore India. Start interviewing for new roles now before you get laid off, because if your product or service isn't making money, a layoff is inevitable.
Excellent video, I can relate to a lot here, I too chose the voluntary layoff with severance although I was not ready to leave a job I totally loved. Took a few months and I found a new job. New job was deep hell the first year, but then it got really good and I've been there 7 years. Wishing you all the best my friend, cheers!
I feel for you so much. I shared many of your emotions, but my storyline was different. I didn’t get laid off this year, but wish I did. They just cut my pay instead and acted like it due to my performance, when in reality, it wasn’t. Honestly, I would have felt much better if it was my fault, but instead I felt betrayed. My immediate reaction was to quit on the spot, but they convinced me to stay and think some more. Two months later though, I made the right call, and after a stock vest, I put in my two weeks. I didn’t worry about another job, I just left. I even posted on LinkedIn: I’m retiring, my career is done. Burn the ships, as they say. Kudos to you for doing the right thing for yourself and also for standing up for yourself the way you did. You have my respect and I will be cheering for you!
Got laid off from a tech job 3 months after my second child was born. Thankfully was able to pick up a full time gig quickly after that lasted for 4 years. Just as I was starting to think long term I get the boot again (and after getting a full bonus, raise, and higher than average performance review). At the end of the day companies prove themselves to be nothing more than money making machines that you should should do nothing more than take as much money as you can from. They literally see you as nothing more than a line item in a budget.
I can feel you so much about this experience. It's like a war we've been through. After that, have a breathing spell, we can feel our life better and know ourselves better.
man that's messed up... people leaving a company to start a family. Like think about that. This company was so deep into their lives/time/energy that they couldn't start a family. This is why I never worked startups, I just don't see the appeal. When I was young I wanted to have fun and explore time I could never get back. And I say this as someone who is a deep-core software engineering nerd who started in their teens and still at it in their 40s with no signs of slowing down. Never let these companies own you, you are not their property.
Man I’m hearing this guy say he never wants to be comfortable. Wow that is not me. I want to be comfortable. I don’t work well with a gun to my head. I’m retired now and loving my best life frankly. In fact I’m rested for the software industry. I still like coding so I do it for a hobby and a non profit. I never liked the deadlines in the software industry and the time and stress spent unemployed ,as have taken years off of my life. May God bless all of you young folk trying to make a living especially you in the USA where they don’t care about the workers at all!!!!!
I felt the anxiety in this video. Great job. Made a similar decision recently to go back to school and i am so scared of the decrease in incomes. When youre young and flexible with little major responsibilities, what i am finding helps is to take time to create goals for 6 months from now and one year from now. I know by next summer i want to change my career and make as much money as i am now at my last job 6 months later i wanna 50% more of that . If those are not working, reasses things
I got laid off while I was in college and it was a shocker. After graduation, I learned to be independent and make sure I am marketable. It is great that we meet like minded people at work but it is just work. So far, this market is nothing like 2008. In 2008, people lost homes and had to move in with families... There was a case where 100s of people applied to be a janitor at a school. It was terrible. I hope we don't return to 2008 but I am not holding my breath..... If you don't believe me, read the papers and watch 60 minutes from the 2008. The joke was 401k was known as 201k as the value dropped by half...
In my situation, the economy had taken a downturn and there were rumors of layoffs coming. Sure enough, layoffs came and hald of my department was laid off. I had survived! I was so relieved. Then 6 months later, the other half was laid off. Everyone that got laid off in the first round had found jobs, it took me 10 months to finally find a job. Moral of the story? When layoffs are coming, get out. You don't want to be the last person standing.
Honestly, this just helps me further confirm that I don't want to work in this field. After nearly 2 years of struggling to find entry-level work since graduating from university, I don't think it's worth worrying about whether I'll get to keep my job. I was planning on becoming a chartered accountant instead since it's a far more stable job. In my country (South Africa), chartered accounting is the second highest paid profession (behind physicians), so I will happily join that field instead of tech. I'm also not too keen on having to constantly update my skills to stay relevant. I would much rather enter a field where I will use almost everything that I learned in university and just refine those skills over time instead of having to learn new ones all the time.
If you gave up better positions because your current company heavily recruited you, you should have at least insisted on a one-year guarantee of employment if you stayed. (If they wanted you that badly, they'd have given it to you). Firing you three weeks later, while the ink is barely dry on your new "agreement", is beyond betrayal - it borders on evil.
It's good you got a break. In my state you can't get unemployment, which isn't very much if you voluntarily quit. I'm glad you got a good severance pay. The moral is not the same after layoffs. It just isn't. Unfortunately, that's the situation. I was recently laid off last week. My friend and former coworker was laid off last July in 2023.
Good for you for representing yourself and making what looks to be a great decision. Do not take it personal, but move forward with enthusiasm and show them that your skills will be valued by another organization. Remember if they do not want to pay you for your skills, someone else will.
It takes a lot of courage to admit the state of comfortability and even more courage to actually do something about it!!! I applaud you and wish you the best!!! Im excited to see where life takes you next!
The next time they ask you to stay, ask for a retention bonus. Tell them you already have other jobs lined up and will need to turn them down. Make sure it pays out if they let you go before the retention period. And then make sure you will still get the severance. If they ask you to stay after the retention period negotiate again and have other options prepared. Always negotiate from a position of power. People will respect you more for it. What you did, didn't really net you anything. You only got what you already had and you burned some bridges to do it.
really positive to see what happened here & how u reacted, you stood for what you beleived would "help you" through out the courese of that uncertain period! hope you enjoy your time off!! wishing u more happiness and power :))
Great video! This has been one of the craziest years for the job market! I interviewed at gusto earlier this year, then layoffs happened. Glad it didn't work out. Sometimes the thing we want isn't the best for us.
that was a roller-coaster, but yeah benchmarking yourself on regular basis and go when you are ready , and as much as you like your colleague.. they are not your friends... some of them might be , but if their survival depend on pushing you out, they will betray you in a heart beat.
I’ve been in tech 20 years and by now have a litany of layoffs and failed startups under my belt. Almost a year ago my current employer announced it had sold my product to a competitor and we’d all be let go in stages. I’m in the final tranche next year. To be honest I think I’d rather be let go with short notice that the long, slow decline.
This was a great video of the back and forth that a lot of people have when they are deciding on what to do in their lives. Life is not as linear as we would all like to think that it is. There are a lot of ups and downs that we go through and indecisiveness that we struggle with. I wish the best for you Namanh and I hope to see more from you in the future.
I knew that field was flooded when I dropped fortran for Architecture in the 80's. 47 in my first class and a waiting list of over 100 people. 12 in Architecture. Five years into the job, I started clearing $300,000 a year.
I'm proud of you and I am inspired by you. You have so much going for you. You're going to look back at this and chuckle at some point. There may be challenges but you are up to them 100%. You got this!!
I was deemed essential enough to survive an 80% reduction. Unfortunately, I got a much better offer a week after the final list was announced, and I begged my boss to include me in it, but nothing could be done. I lost out on a 10-month salary severance there :D
They wanted me to sign a confidentiality agreement when i got canned in order to receive 1 year of severance pay. I was not to solicit customers or recruit current employees. I was highly skilled labor. I threw the paper at them and told them FY. Monday morning i was on the plane and hired the same day. It took 6 weeks but i recruited 5 people from my old job. There very best. Needless to say they are no longer in business. Revenge is sweet. BE careful who you decide to fire. It may cost you your own job. I enjoyed every minute of what i did. The people i recruited saw what they did to me and realized it could happen to them. It all worked out very well for all of us. Have fun.
It happened to me, too. It's very emotional, but you did the right thing by taking a few weeks to get your stuff together and look into starting new things. A former mentor once told me that no matter what the economy is doing there are always good jobs out there for good people. You just have to stay sharp and always be the best at what you do. Getting comfortable in a job is a career killer.
Even I was into anxiety when I lived alone but in that lonliness i realised something, I stared getting into meditation which literally blessed me out and i realised that both sadness and happiness come from within me and never from external situation, wether I have job or not it doesn't affect my mental state I'm blissful by nature
Best wishes for your health, I have been in a similar situation and been "on pause" in most life aspects for 10 months so far since health issues began right as I was going to put in my 2 weeks notice so I just stayed while figuring things out. Survived 2 layoffs so far. At the very least, I've had a lot of time to plan for worst case scenarios.
Work does not define you. There is no loyalty in business. They even make decisions that don't make business sense, cutting people who make them more profitable, because they want to capture short term gains by temporarily inflating stock value for quick selloffs by individuals and shareholders. After I got no promotion despite blowing away all goals by 2-3x, I half-assed and dragged my feet on everything, still exceeded expectations, and then got laid off. I would have been laid off regardless. I dodged a bullet. With my spare time from slacking at this job, I picked up consulting work, and continued to have this consulting income after my layoff.
Sometimes you have to make tough decisions with certain companies and sometimes it's not a difficult decision at all. There's several industries out there that allow you to bet on yourself and that's the best investment you can make. My industry was the trucking industry. If I did not like the direction a company was going or seen a much better opportunity, I could always apply to another company if I wanted to. I'm pretty sure that the tech industry has a similar structure that allows you to do the same.
Fighting to be off the chopping block is just a bad idea to begin with. The company was struggling and looking to downsize and even your manager told you to take the severance. He owed you because it was only 3 weeks earlier that he asked you to stay, so what you should have fought for--what he owed you--was a good severance package. I hope you at least got a better severance than whatever was outlined in the general VSP docs.
So ;et me get this right. You were actively looking for other jobs before people were getting laid off and then you cry about getting laid off? If I was the boss you would have been one of the first to be laid off.
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This is why it's insane to be 100% committed to any company. It's not personal it's business
I hate that when the company wants you to treat the company as your family. Except no family expel its family members in time of crisis.
It's one of the red flags and you have no friends at work
literally a lesson to always keep in mind
Amen. If your company has any sort of education benefit, definitely take advantage. I picked up a few AWS certifications before I got hit with a round of layoffs, made job hopping much easier.
When you give your all, you often end up feeling like a pawn in someone else's game. The harder you work, the more they mock you, only to show you the door eventually.
That's precisely why we should explore avenues to make money independently, even if it means venturing into the realm of RUclips. I'm planning to start my own channel, where I'll share anecdotes about the quaint canal behind my house and, well, spiders, of all things! Can't say for sure if the channel will soar, but let's embark on this adventure together and find out! 😄
Never stay after you tell a company you are leaving, you will be blind-sighted every-time.
It's "Blind-sided", as in getting hit in the head from the blind side (didn't see it coming).
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@@calkelpdiver unlike the dude effectively calling you a nerd, i think that explanation was helpful to me. thank you
Yup. Asked for a raise after i found a new hire was getting 18% more than me. Got told they dont have the budget. Got a call a few weeks later telling me that was my last week.
Make 30% more now.
@@The_Light_Pharaoh he's right.
you didn't get laid off. The whole point of the video was talking about how you got laid off and that didn't happen.
Exactly. He's another in a long line of RUclips Losers who must make up shit and pretend they're more than just a dude in front of a mic ordered off Amazon.
As someone who is going through a similar situation, all I can say is that I learned one crucial lesson: You are never 100% an indispensable asset, to any company. If you think to yourself that you are a superb developer (perhaps you are) and you are too good to get fired, then think again.
The upside in my case is that I finally had some free time to focus on some languages and frameworks that I always wanted to learn.
100% correct. I am being laid off next week and I'm the core developer on a highly profitable application. My entire team is being eliminated and the application will be supported by developers offshore in India
@@censoredeveryday3320 sorry to hear that. I hope you find something that is more stable soon.
AWS ?
Yup, absolutely true. I worked for a company that did a layoff and I was one of the many people to get hit. It was 100% about getting costs under control because they let other people go with years and years of experience compared to me. I would have NEVER let those experienced people go! Oh well. I didn't take the layoff personally, I just moved on.
@@KayKay0314 how long were you with them and how long do you think it will take you to find a new job?
the important and enduring thing is that you acted with a lot of integrity.
when i was laid off as a software engineer 9 years ago in my early 20s, it was traumatic and i processed it in an unhealthy way. but how you're conducting yourself here with such grace is something so commendable. a job will always be temporal, but how you handled it and the path you follow is what matters.
What do you do now?
Singh means 'Lion'. You feel no Trauma. You feel proud because you are a Singh. And Singh is?
KING 😀👍
Got laid off from my IT job yesterday while in a bathroom at McDonald's. I've never been laid off or fired in my early career, this was the most I've ever made, felt like I'd stay here for many years, and now I feel more lost than ever.
Update: it gets better!
You will find a new adventure and will make it :) best of luck to you
I’m in a similar boat as you, here’s to both our success
Dude, many years later you'll look at this as just a moment in your life.. Usually people grow the most in hard times, just don't doubt yourself much in life, and you'll be well!
to be truly great, you must experience the true highs in life and also the absolute lows.
it builds character.
the true greats are the ones who rise from the ashes and become top dogs again.
Your next job is always better than your previous. When you get your next job, come back here and tell me that I was right.
Lesson learned from this is: NEVER listen to a manager/ job when it comes to your livelihood (and decline better opportunities), especially if the job can't even afford to keep you as a good loyal employee! And that goes for any career!
I've done that tomfoolery, and loyalty is NOT worth it! This is a business on both ends, my time is my money!🤦♀️😭
And on top of that, don't believe anything unless you get it signed and in writing. Words are cheap, breaking contracts is not.
You learned your lesson, DO NOT STAY. Once you have your offer from another place and you tell your manager that you want to leave, you're going to be overlooked on many opportunities, you're marking yourself for deletion. Especially at a big org where the management changes often and you do not have a real relationship with your manager.
For those that want to stay, self-reflect, ask yourself why do YOU want to stay? After you've convinced yourself that it's a great work environment, interesting work, blah blah blah, and there is room to further your career, then talk to your manager about the things you like and see what they can do to get you an out of cycle promo or raise.
as soon as you got persuaded to stay, i knew the results weren't going to be good. I'm glad you eventually left on your own 🔥🔥🔥
the best is yet to come
@@namanhkapur some people got a very large severance package
FYI...those confidentiality agreements are now illegal. Share away!
really??
@@namanhkapurYes dude earlier this year the gov made non-disparagement clause like this an illegal action.
It's a bit of a curse for people who are passionate about computer science and/or software development. Employees know that and take advantage. They get you way too comfortable in taking on this job as a way of life. Once I stopped doing that, I was much happier having my relationships and hobbies do that for me. It's a healthier source of gratitude. Plus, my hobbies can't lay me off 😊
preach
That last sentence: I feel that so much!
Unless you die homeless, hungry in the cold somewhere. Yes, your hobbies can lay you off, to an early grave. You are stable only because you exist between to states, otherwise oblivion. So please save (no hoard) cash and assets, then chase your hobbies, with money/assets to back you up.
"Work to Live, not live to work"
Eloquently put
I remembered getting my first job right after you got a job a bolt after teaching myself coding for two years while working as cabin cleaner.
it is pretty amazing.
i'm excited for this next chapter of yours!
How much do you earn right now?
@@ramsyrama dude, he shared a lot and what you asked first was the money he makes? wtf
Yes man is it your money?@@Bruno-zh1gf
the hardest decisions are almost always the most rewarding. i'm excited for this next chapter of yours! :)
Kevin, you two hang out in NYC together, or what? Should do a collab video.
@@RobertMcHalffey we have :)
Just wanted to say your videos inspired me to learn to code and eventually land a job. Wishing you all the best, this video gave me a lot of inspiration.
that makes me so happy to hear, keep crushing it
Tech goes thought these cycles of boom and bust. I am now retirement age and I have been through at least 5, but never laid off, but saw the company just sort of start dying so went on to something else. You will get a new job soon, hopefully doing something even more challenging, creative. and rewarding. Best of luck in the future!
I believe you 100% made the right call. Although it's great you managed to convince management not to get rid of you, the fact that you came within a hair's length of losing your job very shortly after your manager talked you into abandoning external offers sets a very bad precedent in my opinion, and if I was in your shoes this would have planted seeds of doubt and distrust going forward and I would have immediately started looking for another job.
no loyalty anymore. everyone is always looking for a better job but the grass isnt always greener people.
I think for most of us is not really leaving a company that causes anxiety.
Its rather the fact that we know that we have to go through a bunch of unpleasant and often humiliating job interviews to get our paychecks again.
I resonate with this so much. Was laid off 2 weeks ago from my first SWE job, the 3rd round was also the one that got me, and it was just pure confusion and anxiousness all around. Stay strong and enjoy the break!
Yeah, it is going to be a long one for many, 1-2 years. Many will find other careers (which I highly recommend).
I feel u…. Been in a similar situation before and now that I have more life experiences (I’m 41) my advice is: If you decide to go then leave! Don’t let your manager/boss convince you… If you made a choice then continue going thru that path and never look back! Companies are formless entities, companies don’t have feelings and they don’t love/hate u… you are just a disposable piece, a number without name and easily replaceable!
Never stay at a place that doesn’t want you. Right move.
That must have been a crazy couple of days for the managers. The engineer showed passion, they fight for the Engineer, company agrees to their proposal, Engineer accepts, then the very next day the Engineer decides to take the voluntary firing? I get the sense that in the future those managers are not gonna have the same heart to fight to keep a passionate Engineer as they did this time. In the best case scenario they'll watch this video and learn ways to organically inspire that Pros-Cons of staying before they go to bat for the Engineer.
Definitely not. The manager showed his true colors initially. Now the employee showed him the mirror. I think it's even.
A manager that asked someone to stay that could have left on their OWN terms, and then 3 weeks, has to tell that person they're getting the boot, is a "manager" with ZERO insight. Don't kid yourself too much either as far as managers "going to bat" for someone. We're wired for self preservation, I guarantee that manager, like any person, was saying "thank God it's not me.."
It's not that the engineer showed passion and the manager appreciated that, it was that the engineer pushed back.
Imagine someone begging you stay and turning down great offers to let them
Go… within a month.
& they knew about firing more months in advance.
Managers “fuck around” & they found out 😭
@@ChristhianGT "begging" is interpretive, and as I said, a manager that asked him to stay, most likely had zero insight as to what was coming. Logically speaking, that simply wouldn't make sense. His leaving voluntarily would have done the manager's job for him. The only motive a manager would have for stringing someone along that I can see, is the completion of a particular project they were working on.
Your storytelling is captivating and video editing is top notch. I think you can be successful in either SE or RUclips, or both.
The advice that I'm not hearing in any of these stories is this: YOU MAKE MORE MONEY THAT PRACTICALLY ANY OTHER PROFESSION IN THE WORLD. Even doctors and lawyers are pretty envious of tech pay! The minute you start working that 200k job, you should live on only HALF and save the rest for the impending disaster that will ALWAYS come. If you don't get laid off, you will begin to amass investments that will eventually give you the freedom to choose what you want to do and take risks. Good luck.
I think the title is very misleading. You basically "begged" for your job back. They were considerate enough give you another shot because obviously the best developers in their "opinion" stayed. You took a moment to self reflect and realized if you didn't get your skill level back up they would be in the same situation again. Right now the tech market is terrible and people who didn't beg with dignity are suffering "STOP WITH THE CLICKBAITS AND STOP RECORDING EVERYTHING is nothing private anymore"
I imagine these past couple of weeks had been intense for you. It's cool how you handled everything!
appreciate the support, stay tuned!
He’s positive and smiling bc the $$ is still rolling in lol. Once that stops sh*t will get real.
Well done dude, leaving on your own terms is hard. I've been through similar. I wish you well in your future choices and look forward to sharing them with you via the channel.
ive been in tech for almost 30 years , through layoffs , recessions , restructuring , career changes , career re-changes . still here , still needed . when you have been around the economic loop a few times of its not a big deal . dont take things personally , its just business and there will always be business out there , dont look back .
Happy to see your narrative style develop and take its next big leap: reminds me more and more of the OG Casey Neistat videos; props!
thank you so much, trying to improve every day
wow hold on, did I get it right, so:
1 He gets some good offers from another companies, and tells his manager he quits.
2 Manager asks him to stay
3 He: okay
4 Three weeks later he gets fired, argues with manager he should stay. Manager is like: uuhm, no.
5 Later he convinces manager that he is worthy to stay.
6 Next day manager is like: okay. And he is like: I quit.
Ummm, okay.., who am I to judge. Interesting story though. All the best!
an apt summary but without all the emotions
Number 6 is the baller move !!!
I have never committed to any company as a software engineer. I am committed to my work as a software engineer, and for some reason, I developed the idea that companies are just tools for achieving my primary goal of buying a house and car and saving money. I was able to become debt-free in about seven years. Now, I choose when to work and who to work. That is one of software engineers' biggest perks if you are smart. A lot of people buy the corporate hype, slaving themself into embracing a culture that does not really care about you. Please do not fall for it is a trap.
I hope your health gets better, as for me, I'm tired. I might switch to being a farmer. It doesn't come with the risk of losing your job overnight.
Have you tried farming ?
i might join
Farming is 20x harder than software, I assure you
Farming is thankless, unprofitable back breaking work and your farm and family can fold after one unexpected weather event. Working for a company or in an office is multiple times easier, more profitable, and less strenuous physically.
@@VeryMileyThats why farmers have insurance. Live in a farming community. But farming is hard for someone that isn't a multimillionaire.
Good choice. Some words of advice, this won't be the last as well. The key here is to know when to start looking and finding a Job while you still have one so that you can bargain with the new company. Always look for signs and the moment you start seeing any type of layoff is time to move on and land a better job with higher pay while you still have leverage.
Good Luck.
Thank you, I’m currently struggling rn as a new grad trying to find a job and this video has given me a lot of the passion that I lost when it came to software. You’ve earned a subscriber and a like!
It did the opposite for me. I've been struggling to find a job for nearly 2 years. I don't think it's worth worrying if I get to keep my job, especially after having to endure such a gruelling job search process.
Who would ever thought software engineers would be losing their jobs today? When I was in high school, all I heard was study computer science in college you will always have a steady job.
all the best dude for future, hope we'll able to see the best.
the best is yet to come
You're an amazing storyteller Namanh! Glad everything is working out for you! Hope to see your next projects soon.
thank you friend
Sorry to hear man, but good luck on your next venture!
thanks man, i see you crushing YC let’s goooooo 👊
Damn dude sorry to hear that but it sounds like you made the right choice. I’m also a SWE in NYC at a FAANG (you could probably guess which one), happy to help you out if you choose to come back to this side of things but I’m really rooting for your channel to take off so you don’t have to!
All the best on your new journey
dude just commenting to say that your video editing is so refreshing let alone the storytelling!
Dude this video is so good. I hope all goes well with your health and work!!
thank you so much :)
Excellent editing, perseverance and story telling skills - you already are successful and wish you the best
Love your videos, best of luck in the future!
thanks bro
Man more power to you man.
It's kind of crazy how your livelihood is discussed behind closed doors without your input and you work at a supposedly great and awesome company in probably the best field in the world.
When you told your boss that you got an job offer, you wanted to leave and they convinced you to stay. You never believe that you really want you to stay. They will lay off you once they do not need you. I learned my lesson. If you have an offer, just leave.
Those "survivor meetings" right after a layoff. They are saying how sorry they are to have to layoff employees, while you are sitting thinking about how to rewrite your resume and send it out. Its like two people who don't like each other but agreed to do lunch anyways.
bro nice, I did something similar in essence, but like 30% of it. I decided to take a career break, right before layoffs started. I wasn't sure if I could afford it, as I had some savings but a lot of it was cut in half in the market. And I just moved to NYC too. But I did it anyways.
I've done several interviews and failed with the competition and still am preparing for other opportunities. At times it's hard, but I'm glad I had some savings, and really was important that I took a personal break for myself. We tend to limit ourselves. At worst, i can do many other jobs, even service related, or move back in with my parents lol. It's not the end of the world. Also your youtube is fire man, keep doing it, and you may not need to program again!
lol me too moved to the most expensive city in america and then said ✌️
@5:14 - you got an offer from outside, but you let your current company counter you ?!?!?! My man, never, ever take a counter offer... it puts a big red target on your back - sorry you gone thru this... better days on the other side tho
Great sharing all this info! Super generous! I was also laid off from a tech company a few months ago. For me personally, it's been one of the best things to ever happen to me. It was the push I was probably needing, but not brave enough to take myself.
Having worked oil/gas for years, the layoffs are the norms. I took the 1st round because the severance was awesome, I was able to take the year off. My coworker held out till they laid him off & he got a crap package. Ended up a moving from upstream to midstream & had better opportunities. Moving from Finance over to programming.. but I'll always have my finance to fall back on in the event of another lay off.
I am barely beginning my career as a software engineer. Is it not worth it in this day and age due to the layoffs and AI?
I literally stumbled across this post while battling insomnia.
This really hits home for me - as my employer is planning to layoff 40 cloud engineers.
I don’t know if I will indeed be laid off. Kinda hard to justify keeping our team with no endusers.
This post gives me hope - as either way it goes, I will survive.
Kudos for leaving on your own terms!! I wish you all the best.
I support a major application that isn't making any money. Just got word that my entire team is getting laid off and the application will move to offshore India. Start interviewing for new roles now before you get laid off, because if your product or service isn't making money, a layoff is inevitable.
Good luck bro! Great story
Excellent video, I can relate to a lot here, I too chose the voluntary layoff with severance although I was not ready to leave a job I totally loved. Took a few months and I found a new job. New job was deep hell the first year, but then it got really good and I've been there 7 years. Wishing you all the best my friend, cheers!
thanks for the kind words
I feel for you so much. I shared many of your emotions, but my storyline was different. I didn’t get laid off this year, but wish I did. They just cut my pay instead and acted like it due to my performance, when in reality, it wasn’t. Honestly, I would have felt much better if it was my fault, but instead I felt betrayed. My immediate reaction was to quit on the spot, but they convinced me to stay and think some more. Two months later though, I made the right call, and after a stock vest, I put in my two weeks. I didn’t worry about another job, I just left. I even posted on LinkedIn: I’m retiring, my career is done. Burn the ships, as they say. Kudos to you for doing the right thing for yourself and also for standing up for yourself the way you did. You have my respect and I will be cheering for you!
you're a beast
Three words: dead man switch.
Got laid off from a tech job 3 months after my second child was born. Thankfully was able to pick up a full time gig quickly after that lasted for 4 years. Just as I was starting to think long term I get the boot again (and after getting a full bonus, raise, and higher than average performance review). At the end of the day companies prove themselves to be nothing more than money making machines that you should should do nothing more than take as much money as you can from. They literally see you as nothing more than a line item in a budget.
I can feel you so much about this experience. It's like a war we've been through. After that, have a breathing spell, we can feel our life better and know ourselves better.
man that's messed up... people leaving a company to start a family. Like think about that. This company was so deep into their lives/time/energy that they couldn't start a family. This is why I never worked startups, I just don't see the appeal. When I was young I wanted to have fun and explore time I could never get back. And I say this as someone who is a deep-core software engineering nerd who started in their teens and still at it in their 40s with no signs of slowing down. Never let these companies own you, you are not their property.
Man I’m hearing this guy say he never wants to be comfortable. Wow that is not me. I want to be comfortable. I don’t work well with a gun to my head. I’m retired now and loving my best life frankly. In fact I’m rested for the software industry. I still like coding so I do it for a hobby and a non profit. I never liked the deadlines in the software industry and the time and stress spent unemployed ,as have taken years off of my life. May God bless all of you young folk trying to make a living especially you in the USA where they don’t care about the workers at all!!!!!
I felt the anxiety in this video. Great job. Made a similar decision recently to go back to school and i am so scared of the decrease in incomes.
When youre young and flexible with little major responsibilities, what i am finding helps is to take time to create goals for 6 months from now and one year from now.
I know by next summer i want to change my career and make as much money as i am now at my last job 6 months later i wanna 50% more of that .
If those are not working, reasses things
that’s the absolute right mindset
I have been two months unemployed, this just sucks. I'm in the point of starting feel depressed
Wow, awesome story. Thanks for sharing a part of your journey. I needed to hear this today.
I got laid off while I was in college and it was a shocker. After graduation, I learned to be independent and make sure I am marketable. It is great that we meet like minded people at work but it is just work. So far, this market is nothing like 2008. In 2008, people lost homes and had to move in with families... There was a case where 100s of people applied to be a janitor at a school. It was terrible. I hope we don't return to 2008 but I am not holding my breath..... If you don't believe me, read the papers and watch 60 minutes from the 2008. The joke was 401k was known as 201k as the value dropped by half...
In my situation, the economy had taken a downturn and there were rumors of layoffs coming. Sure enough, layoffs came and hald of my department was laid off. I had survived! I was so relieved. Then 6 months later, the other half was laid off. Everyone that got laid off in the first round had found jobs, it took me 10 months to finally find a job. Moral of the story? When layoffs are coming, get out. You don't want to be the last person standing.
i love the story telling!
Honestly, this just helps me further confirm that I don't want to work in this field. After nearly 2 years of struggling to find entry-level work since graduating from university, I don't think it's worth worrying about whether I'll get to keep my job. I was planning on becoming a chartered accountant instead since it's a far more stable job. In my country (South Africa), chartered accounting is the second highest paid profession (behind physicians), so I will happily join that field instead of tech. I'm also not too keen on having to constantly update my skills to stay relevant. I would much rather enter a field where I will use almost everything that I learned in university and just refine those skills over time instead of having to learn new ones all the time.
If you gave up better positions because your current company heavily recruited you, you should have at least insisted on a one-year guarantee of employment if you stayed. (If they wanted you that badly, they'd have given it to you). Firing you three weeks later, while the ink is barely dry on your new "agreement", is beyond betrayal - it borders on evil.
It's good you got a break. In my state you can't get unemployment, which isn't very much if you voluntarily quit. I'm glad you got a good severance pay. The moral is not the same after layoffs. It just isn't. Unfortunately, that's the situation. I was recently laid off last week. My friend and former coworker was laid off last July in 2023.
Good for you for representing yourself and making what looks to be a great decision. Do not take it personal, but move forward with enthusiasm and show them that your skills will be valued by another organization. Remember if they do not want to pay you for your skills, someone else will.
It takes a lot of courage to admit the state of comfortability and even more courage to actually do something about it!!! I applaud you and wish you the best!!! Im excited to see where life takes you next!
The next time they ask you to stay, ask for a retention bonus. Tell them you already have other jobs lined up and will need to turn them down. Make sure it pays out if they let you go before the retention period. And then make sure you will still get the severance. If they ask you to stay after the retention period negotiate again and have other options prepared. Always negotiate from a position of power. People will respect you more for it. What you did, didn't really net you anything. You only got what you already had and you burned some bridges to do it.
really positive to see what happened here & how u reacted, you stood for what you beleived would "help you" through out the courese of that uncertain period! hope you enjoy your time off!! wishing u more happiness and power :))
Great video! This has been one of the craziest years for the job market!
I interviewed at gusto earlier this year, then layoffs happened. Glad it didn't work out. Sometimes the thing we want isn't the best for us.
that was a roller-coaster, but yeah benchmarking yourself on regular basis and go when you are ready , and as much as you like your colleague.. they are not your friends... some of them might be , but if their survival depend on pushing you out, they will betray you in a heart beat.
Awesome!! Happy for you. Once you are back from the holidays, let's connect. Happy holidays!
I’ve been in tech 20 years and by now have a litany of layoffs and failed startups under my belt. Almost a year ago my current employer announced it had sold my product to a competitor and we’d all be let go in stages. I’m in the final tranche next year. To be honest I think I’d rather be let go with short notice that the long, slow decline.
Thank you for sharing. Your journey has been nothing short of inspiring. Hope to be where you are someday!
I got laid off two weeks ago :(
This was a great video of the back and forth that a lot of people have when they are deciding on what to do in their lives. Life is not as linear as we would all like to think that it is. There are a lot of ups and downs that we go through and indecisiveness that we struggle with. I wish the best for you Namanh and I hope to see more from you in the future.
take care of your health and your mental health. without those two, nothing else matters. 💪🏻
agreed
I knew that field was flooded when I dropped fortran for Architecture in the 80's.
47 in my first class and a waiting list of over 100 people.
12 in Architecture. Five years into the job, I started clearing $300,000 a year.
Great video man!
everybody a family until the money runs dry.
I'm proud of you and I am inspired by you. You have so much going for you. You're going to look back at this and chuckle at some point. There may be challenges but you are up to them 100%. You got this!!
thank you so much!
I was deemed essential enough to survive an 80% reduction. Unfortunately, I got a much better offer a week after the final list was announced, and I begged my boss to include me in it, but nothing could be done. I lost out on a 10-month salary severance there :D
They wanted me to sign a confidentiality agreement when i got canned in order to receive 1 year of severance pay. I was not to solicit customers or recruit current employees. I was highly skilled labor. I threw the paper at them and told them FY. Monday morning i was on the plane and hired the same day. It took 6 weeks but i recruited 5 people from my old job. There very best. Needless to say they are no longer in business. Revenge is sweet. BE careful who you decide to fire. It may cost you your own job. I enjoyed every minute of what i did. The people i recruited saw what they did to me and realized it could happen to them. It all worked out very well for all of us. Have fun.
More power to you Mr Namanh
It happened to me, too. It's very emotional, but you did the right thing by taking a few weeks to get your stuff together and look into starting new things. A former mentor once told me that no matter what the economy is doing there are always good jobs out there for good people. You just have to stay sharp and always be the best at what you do. Getting comfortable in a job is a career killer.
Even I was into anxiety when I lived alone but in that lonliness i realised something, I stared getting into meditation which literally blessed me out and i realised that both sadness and happiness come from within me and never from external situation, wether I have job or not it doesn't affect my mental state I'm blissful by nature
Good luck brother! Recently went the same route and can't say I ever want to look back. It may be high risk, but the high reward is always alluring.
Is it me or this video looks 720p but it's 1080p ?
Best wishes for your health, I have been in a similar situation and been "on pause" in most life aspects for 10 months so far since health issues began right as I was going to put in my 2 weeks notice so I just stayed while figuring things out. Survived 2 layoffs so far. At the very least, I've had a lot of time to plan for worst case scenarios.
much appreciated
Work does not define you. There is no loyalty in business. They even make decisions that don't make business sense, cutting people who make them more profitable, because they want to capture short term gains by temporarily inflating stock value for quick selloffs by individuals and shareholders. After I got no promotion despite blowing away all goals by 2-3x, I half-assed and dragged my feet on everything, still exceeded expectations, and then got laid off. I would have been laid off regardless. I dodged a bullet. With my spare time from slacking at this job, I picked up consulting work, and continued to have this consulting income after my layoff.
Sometimes you have to make tough decisions with certain companies and sometimes it's not a difficult decision at all. There's several industries out there that allow you to bet on yourself and that's the best investment you can make. My industry was the trucking industry. If I did not like the direction a company was going or seen a much better opportunity, I could always apply to another company if I wanted to. I'm pretty sure that the tech industry has a similar structure that allows you to do the same.
ayeeee my favorite youtuber uploaded ✌
much love
this is your favorite youtuber?? do you have access to any other videos???
Fighting to be off the chopping block is just a bad idea to begin with. The company was struggling and looking to downsize and even your manager told you to take the severance. He owed you because it was only 3 weeks earlier that he asked you to stay, so what you should have fought for--what he owed you--was a good severance package. I hope you at least got a better severance than whatever was outlined in the general VSP docs.
I got laid off few months ago, and what i wanna say is, Freelance is always be the answer for me to survive.
All the best Pal. You handled everything like a Pro.
thanks man
So ;et me get this right. You were actively looking for other jobs before people were getting laid off and then you cry about getting laid off? If I was the boss you would have been one of the first to be laid off.