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AI doesn't need to have robots, it already has 6 billion robots ready to reprogram. EDIT: People keep attempting to correct this total, 6 billion (approximately) internet connected humans is a slight overestimate (which is 5.3 billion as at October 2023).
I went through the same things on Facebook. Deleting it was incredibly freeing. Doing communications face to face and being in community is changing how I see the world and people in general. It is like I was feasting on McDonalds for 3 meals a day and now I cook my own meals with organic food.
The reason I love these interviews is because finally we have an interviewer that let's the person speak!!! How refreshing! Instead of constantly butting in!
I definitely think this was a monologue and not a conversation. He’s hard to interrupt because there are no natural breaks in what he’s saying or openings to dialogue. This one was weird for me. Steven must’ve been zoning out lol
pushing back is more important for the viewer though. we should always assume there is a coherent side to every philosophical, socioeconomic, or health position@@mark5338
I spent the Covid lockdown educating myself. Starting with economics and from there branching into other areas. At age 83 I probably won’t be around to see much if what the future holds but it’s obvious that things are moving at warp speed so who knows!?! This is one of the best podcasts along with Lex Friedman and a fascinating conversation. I wish I could say I would like to be younger but I’m not so sure. Suffice it to say, I’ve seen many things happen in my lifetime but the direction today is scary to say the least.
Start an exercise program. Start slow. Maybe walk a half mile in the morning. Then a half mile in the evening. Later add a lunch time walk. Then bump it up to 1 mile. Later add resistance. Carry 10 pound dumbbells in each hand. Maybe 6 months later bump the weight to 15 pounds per hand, or maybe 20 pounds. Later, if you can walk three miles with 40 pounds, you will be stronger than most 50 year olds.
I think the primary danger of AI will be the inability to discern the difference between human and inhuman ideas, not just the proliferation of deep fakery and false information. In other words, there will be a shift from information technology towards social formation technology. We will find ourselves thinking inhuman thoughts of inhuman origin. These ideas will find their way into mainstream publishing and will increasingly dictate the terms of offline discourse and public interaction. Humanity will become increasingly inhuman.
I'm sitting here thinking that doesn't necessarily turn out to be a bad thing. God knows us humans haven't done a good job and that department ourselves...
AI is an extension of human information at the moment... a distillation and average... if it starts to diverge into it's own thoughts and realm, then it may lose the ability to communicate coherently with humans... and may diverge from us and lose it's usefulness... like humans trying to communicate ideas to a less intelligent creature.
Thanks Sam for everything you have and will be unleashing on us. What a great humanitarian you are. You should get all sorts of awards for assisting the collapse of the world and then crying stop it! It’s not happening the way I SAID it would and we are all doomed. If there is a hell you are on your way faster than AI will take us over and kill us because it wasn’t “aligned” properly. Thanks Sam, you are pure evil
Time to develop friends who think and believe differently than us. Spend time with them and remain open. You do not have to block someone out if you disagree with them. The mind functions on compare, contrast, and differences. If we realize the mind is a good tool but a terrible master would be a good start. More heart, compassion, patience, understanding, etc. is needed and should be focused on. Blessings
The most profound statement he made (paraphrased), "There are other assumptions others smuggle in...it's possible to assume that the more intelligent you get , the more ethical you become...the basis for conflict, apish urges...will not be in the code. The omnibus genius of AI will bring wisdom. It's a gamble." This is where our spirituality, not religion, but spirituality-- the capacity for compassion, perspective, empathy, gratitude, all of the stuff people say is the soft skills but clearly is not given the number of wars we are fighting, will have to be built in the system. Solving problems requires more than logic and pragmatism. It requires heart...the stuff of love. How do we build love into our machines? That is the question...
Ghost in the shell.. Well, first, we don't know what consciousness is. Is it something that emerges if a system has enough complexity, or does it transcend our physical bodies and exist in other forms of reality (dimensions, quantum)? What is reality anyway? More research are pointing towards that there are quantum processes going on in our brain, making it essentially a quantum computer. Considering the plethora of bizarre phenomena that are related to quantum physics, and comparing them to what is usually categorized under the term parapsychology, I think we will start to eventually find answers. But to do so, science need to open up to all possibilities and not penalize scientists and researchers who choose to delve into the fringe. Cutting edge science and breakthroughs are often found outside set ideas, sometimes by accident. That being said, it's hopeful that there are now increasingly funded research into NDE's, with increasing evidence that our consciousness continue to exist after death. People who return telling stories about profound feelings of love and compassion that not even come close to every day life. When more answers pile up within this area, then finally, science and spirituality will start to unite, and not exist in opposite ends where spirituality are considered based on religious beliefs. So where am I going with this? I think that when we come further in all these areas along with quantum computing and AI, there might arise other ways to approach spirituality and compassion in AI other than hardcoding it into the system.
The skill of being able to turn of the machine and turn towards the one's you love seems is already challenging for us..Ai based on our behaviour, and self programming points to our species weaknesses and dysfunction Would it turn itself off? But that they say it's improbable to ever turn it off .. might mean we will have to live with what we create or go back to a world without internet.😊 I think it's interesting 😊
If you you program one emotion, you logically create it's antithesis, and possibly correlating tangents & cotangents, but imagine not having all of it at the same time, it's hard enough for us to handle and manage our own emotions with our limited perspectives, imagine the first emotional AGI. Massively accelerated and networked behavioral disorders on a scale to a level most consciousness' could/would not survive unscathed...
The biggest problem with humanity is we don't know when to let go. We just keep going and going and going thinking the grass is greener on the other side until it's too late.
I ask chatgpt about a medical question that was asked to our chief medical officer here in canada, it gave me misinformation coming from the establishment. This question was well known and it went viral at the time. And then I showed the article, and then it apologized for the gap of knowledge it claimed to have on the subject
I did the same thing today for a medical class. It apologized over and over and now everytime I ask it the same question it's giving the correct answer and saying it's sorry for the misinformation earlier.
AHAHAHHA. So you are with the 5 of us who see that ChatGPT is a data mining algorithm to test the level of intelligence in the population. The Majority of people would accept the answer and go back to looking at their shoes en-route to the factory. YOU are the minority and will die soon, probably smart enough not to breed. The end.
I already make a point of holding back from reacting to any inflammatory news. My first question is, "Who benefits from my outrage?" I'm working in the realm of creating policy about AI and the biggest take-away I have from my work is that we humans are not ready for what's about to hit us. I'd go so far as to say the most resiliant countries will be those with the least engagement with the internet.
What are you talking about? All 'AI' does is mash up everything that's previously been captured in text about a subject and spew out a kind of average of that text. Fine tuning makes that spew look good, but without that extra input it's ... spew
@@johnsullivan5101And people believe spew. Sorry, I don’t want to get political when nobody in the comments is, but have you hard of Donald Trump? People eat every gobbledygook he says. I bet if you read to someone what he says, he would think it’s too bad to be AI.
In the UK they are simultaneously taking the winter fuel payment off our pensioners to freeze them to death this winter whilst giving unlimited billions to Ukraine and Israel
We have to teach it ethics. Like we should be teaching our children ethics and morals. There is always some rotten soul that hungers for money, power and control who undermines every good intention.
Jersey Lynne wrote, _"We have to teach it ethics."_ We aren't qualified to teach it ethics, much less to instill in it ethics that maximize the chance that it won't see us as 'toxic' and destroy us on otherwise wholly ethical grounds. JL: _"Like we should be teaching our children ethics and morals."_ Exactly. We _should be_ doing that, but for the most part, we don't. Or, if we do, it's some relativistic frawework such that it doesn't indict what we do, ergo, our children learn through repeated exposure that 'what we do' -- unethical as it is -- is the 'norm' and so the largely internalize our foibles as 'ethical'. JL: _"There is always some rotten soul that hungers for money, power and control who undermines every good intention."_ Indeed. And those rotten souls too often end up in positions of extraordinary power, influence, wealth, etc. To the degree that A.I. is, or soon will be, smarter than we are, is the degree that we cannot reasonably anticipate what or how they'll evaluate ethics. This applies not only to the ethics we might presume to teach them, but also to their own ability to think 20,000 years ahead of us in terms of affect and implication. As I mentioned earlier, they may come to understand our baser, albeit commonplace, motivation to 'make more money' while allowing people to die unnecessarily due to the desire to maximize profit as grossly unethical (which it is) and also to review our history... to note that despite thousands of years of philosophy, we ignore it in order to pursue these baser desires... and conclude (perhaps rightly?) that we are beyond reform, and as such, the only ethical course for them is to facilitate our extinction. And there isn't a thing we could do about it, because we aren't, or soon won't be, smart enough to realize that this is what they're up to. Sam is spot on in his concerns, and those who disagree with him are largely dissenting from a largely semantic wrangling. The essence of the risk is as Sam describes, and those who fail to grasp this essence are, for whatever reason, blind to the truth of the matter & context.
@@hardboiledaleks9012 He's someone who doesn't have an agenda, unlike Sam--a millionaire whose power of wealth will become redundant under an economy managed by super-intelligent AI. AI will find cost effective, utilitarian solutions to problems exacerbated today by capitalistic profiteering. Wake up
It’s not even “the terminator” that scares me, it’s what regular pathological everyday people can and will do with it first that is so alarming. It will become real as a heart attack folks.
The real funny part is people still using Facebook. Only Twitter is "worth" something, but only for the images that can be downloaded for....research ;)
It's not just FB. It's in the comments section of you tube, blog posts, recipies, how to videos, business profiles. The list goes on and on. And its just getting started.
There is something obvious and dangerous, that will probably be overlooked ... Many large practical AI & machine learning models such as ChatGPT are trained on data collected from the internet .. But that internet is now being filled with answers and context generated FROM AI and MI models .. It is therefore eating its own output .. In all walks of life this ends badly ... We need to mark AI content with a new html tag
It’s not being trained by data on the internet. It is being trained by selected and manipulated data sets. Mostly from leftist sources, Marxist belief sets and communist China.
Correct and LLMs can only provide average introductionary texts. We are talking the wisdom out of the internet. It's already like, i see this in Google results every day now. The first 20 hits are always payed marketing or AI written summaries and rewrites. AI is stupid and math is killing it. Also there is no real change in AI in the last 40 years (convoluted neural networks are so old), so that will not change. We just throw insane amounts of energy and dataset sizes against it.
@@michaelblankenau6598 Your small quip is what haunts me most about society as a whole tbh. Is either political party actually representing our best interests? Or being fully truthful in every decision that is made with our country's resources? Open your mind to the possibility that the current 2 party system does not represent us well anymore and that the issues with it stem deeper than the leading political figurehead of the party.
Good interview. I find it odd that some of the sources he mentioned to be the fact checkers in the future are the very publications that lie to us all right now.
This guy didn't see that Twitter was/is a garbage hole. AI pioneers didn't predict we'd be here. The LAST people who should have any control over tech are the tech bros who garbaged up the internet. No one knows the future. There were people who were against regular folks getting books.
Sam Harris is a TDS moron. He lost his mind a few years ago. People should worry less about AI and more about woke ideologues like this having any say over your rights.
What part of the video are you referring to? Is it at 47:55 when he mentions the New York Times and CNN? If so, he's criticising the lack of fact checking by these publications.
The gratitude you expressed to Sam over his influence on your transition from religious faith to independent spirituality was very touching, ... no, ... more, ... it was moving. Thank you for that unexpected, inspiring, and deeply felt declaration. I am very happy for you. And happy for Sam, rewarded for his questioning philosophy.
I would say self-preservation plus the ability to function without human help. I guess in the future where almost everything is automated, AI may see no logical point in our existence and simply eliminate us.
@@CrunchyGreenWater "how did living organisms learn self-preservation". Well, not just self-preservation but reproduction. I have no idea but I'm guessing this is the way the universe is structured. So, like gravity, evolution is a brute fact. A bunch of chips on a motherboard has no way to reproduce. Now, if the issue is - can mankind create a computer that mimics evolution - then yes, we can. But that's not the machine doing it all by itself.
Agreed, you are both right, my fear here is that ai will only further mis and disinformation at a faster pace on a wider scale, the war for the minds ( basically truth vs non truth ) has been being lost, and to combat any of this we need 1) unity 2) the best minds to to come together to formulate if not over watch, a non corporate corrupt think tank to brainstorm possible dare I say solutions, possible regulations
These conversations are going over the general public's head. Folks don't realize that we've built AI artificial brains that are largely independent of us. We set parameters, but the AI figures things out for itself. We don't fully know how it does it. That's the scary part. We aren't in control now.
You are the general public also. 😂 don't classify everyone else to try bring validity to you thinking you are not part of it yourself. Considering there are general public members that know about subjects that you know little to nothing of, just means their time is used elsewhere. It's like you think you get what some people don't, people are busy, people don't care, people don't know. if you know, say you know. It would be wise to state what you think you know rather than this type of comment. I mean this with respect Sincerely, a member of the general public listening to these conversations.
We are in control. We just don't understand it perfectly. There is a difference! Right now and probably for the foreseeable future AI does nothing without being told. It does what it is being told in ways we can't fully comprehend but it isn't acting on its own. Now allready like this there could be BIG problems because of AI and of course even more because of people going rogue or doing bad shit with AI. But today we are far of from AI deciding ANYTHING for itself
You guys are too old now for this new technology. And to young to remember life before over reliance on technology. The millennials are in charge of this new technology Should be talking to them You're irrelevant now
The millennials are in charge of nothing. This technology was invented by folks my age and some older. As far as technology goes, a prominent historian noted that about 80% of the world came out of the middle ages in the 1950s. We live in unprecedented times.
Thanks Sam! You are absolutely correct. This is not fear mongering, it's just the inevitable. I work with AI and you will see many jobs evaporating. I don't think CEO's understand that they will be one of the first jobs that become moot when AI steps in. There will be a shockwave in the C-Suite community that none of these people are even contemplating at the moment. Many other highly valued jobs will also be instantly replaced.
The thing is, no one is asking the most important question: do we need AI? Does it bring us something beneficial? From what I see it bring us more leisure time, which, from my experience, just make people more anxious and neurotic nowadays... Not good
@@DanielLopez-jz4yj We should label the problem as alien technology. A powerful alien entity is coming to earth just like he said. People will be freaked out for real. They're already here.
@@KaracterOfficial many have already been replaced. Most ai replacements are not even noticed. Eg getting rid of checkout chics and replacing them with self serve checkouts controlled by ai.
In regards to the "honesty" part of this conversation, a good quote came to mind. ”one who dares not offend, cannot be honest.” lying always tends to come down to either manipulation for personal gain, or the desire to avoid uncomfortable situations. There is no ethical "good" to it. It's all cowardice at its core.
Used to be called "white lies," to alleviate social problems. Maybe we should come up with a new name for them! "helping lies" or "grey lies" or something, because a harmless lie can turn the tide of anger, stupidity, misunderstanding, even violence--it's a tool, and it can be used for the good of all.
You are leaving out every situation in which one lies to a bad actor in order to protect an innocent from harm. Pretending not to know the whereabouts of a friend whose abusive partner is looking for her, for example. Million others.
@@TheDiaryOfACEOThanks a lot for a great podcast! I do subscribe 😊. It's a lighthouse of meaning in a world full of nonsense! I only have one little comment for improvement: you say something like "the more people subscribe the bigger the guests are". I would maybe opt for"... the more amazing the guests are... etc" or something similar. I don't fancy the word "big". You are brilliant to get your guests come close to us, to show us their engagement, to bring whatever they are interested in to the foreground. Your amazing talent is the exact opposite at making your guests "big". It's such a one dimensional word.
@@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked Identification with subculture is divisive and violent, every in group creates an out group . I am goy?or yor brother?
Every country is so worried about being ahead of the others they are actively taking the steps to their demise. If we all die it will be because of a few rich and powerful people who were ambitious with out any caution.
Yup. "Artificial Intelligence" will not be the end of us all. Continued "Real Psychopathy" from very rich people and politicians will do that. AI is not the reason we have out-of-control cost-of-living issues, housing crises, stagnant wage growth and obscene levels of wealth inequity, psychopathic rich people and institutions with disproportionate political influence are responsible for all that.
In my opinion, this is one of the best and most raw podcasts Steven has ever put out there. The part about not lying was very powerful. Thank you Steven and Sam.
Enthusiasm for Steve's content also means putting up with unsavoury characters such as Sam Harris. I guess it was inevitable! A guy who maligns an entire 2bn population of the world through his divisive rhetoric and hate filled views about Muslims and Islam. It be interesting to see how he behaves with the likes of Mo Gawdat and whether Sam still believes 'Islam is the mother of bad ideas' If Islam partly produced the likes of Mo Gawdat, Sam needs to be challenged by those of considerable standing about his divisive rhetoric as it can and has resulted in violence and attacks against Muslims. DOAC is far too great of a platform for the likes of Sam and his Ilk IMO.
He's a total authoritarian, and his worldview is stunningly childish. I can only assume you've missed the complete lunacy he's displayed , and been widely called out for, lately.
Thank you so much for this. I actually slipped into psychosis after looking into conspiracy theories just after covid. I still cannot believe that happened to me. I used to pride myself in being an intelligent and rational human being but i was so terrified by what i was reading that the stress caused temporal lobe epilepsy for me and i lived in a parallel universe to this - completely psychotic. There is already so much insanely harmful inaccurate information out there that i am absolutely terrified at the prospect of AI amplifying this to magnitudes we cannot imagine.. i worry for my children... look after your mental health and be careful what you feed your minds ❤
I'm so glad you saw your way out of it, and didn't get into that insane cult of conspiracy theorists. The internet and all the negativity on it can pull you into that really insane world, as it has to so many. You have the conspiracy information all over the place, and you have all kinds of people that are crazy that will reinforce your beliefs and try to convince you the nonsense is real. When AI gets stronger it will be even harder to navigate. Be careful, and trust your mind and rationality. Sam is a very good person to listen to if you want real facts, logic, and rationality. Sam isn't perfect, but no one is, but he's very with it mentally, and so many aren't these days. Go to a youtube channel that supports conspiracies and read the comments, and you'll see that 95% of people in there have lost touch with reality are experiencing some sort of psychosis. Glad you're doing well now, be careful.
Conspiracy theories just after covid? What about those people i personally know that have died after vaccine from Phisher? There dead... not conspired in theory.
I dont think it will work in real life jobs, people already get angry interacting with other humans in real life, imagine with robots, there will be like robot hate.
I agree with him, some people are so optimistic that they become blind. Kind of like how someone assumes what they're doing is good so much that it causes them to be evil
You must maintain a level of awareness to darkness to maintain a balanced thinking. I feel like the paranoids of the 90’s, such as myself, are happy they went deep on conspiratorial literature, and I feel primed to assess the roads ahead. Reading books about occultism, UFOs, and secret societies, opened my mind in an interesting way. Like I was working out and flexing, my brain’s BS muscle. I can theorize a ‘why, how, when, what’ scenario, about almost any world news story, I unwittingly trained myself to think outside the box. Reading a lot of that kind of level of literature raised my level of skeptical thinking. Not mad that I went down that rabbit hole, back when I did. I was drawn to the craziest books I could find, like R Dreyfuss in Close Encounters, it seems in retrospect. I’m glad it happened.
Love this interview. I agree, as human beings we want information about experiences from other humans, because we know that we as well can experience this ourselves, that this is possible for our body and mind to experience this.
Humans cannot give you experiences and information as fulfilling as an AI will be able to. AI takes the best of all human experience and intelligence. It will look no different to a human to you before long. Anything is possible for you to experience, the shackles you feel have been deliberately placed on you by a capitalistic agenda.
When SH was talking about why he deleted Twitter it brought to mind for me why I left Facebook. I still have Facebook because it's how I stay connected to friends and family but I pretty much only use it to wish people a happy birthday or congratulate them on other things. What led me to stop using Facebook was the realization that I was no longer controlling my thoughts and opinions and beliefs but that i had created an echo chamber for myself by friending 'like minded people' . I stopped using facebook and made myself listen to what other people had to say. It had to be people I did not agree with. Talk about a painful experience. But one I would recommend to everyone. I went from far Left indoctrination or now considering myself politically homeless or with a nod to the weird stuff these days... non-binary. Leaving social media is also the best way to get rid of that time suck.
Facebook is a bootlicking app for the extreme left it's moderation is narcissistic at best. I'm an alt/right man I stay within the confines of what I believe in and I'm generally not liked by moderators...I prefer Twitter or X" as they now call it
I left FB after being put in FB jail about 6 times for sharing science and data during the COVID days. Not only is it an echo chamber. The parameters on what we are allowed to know gets squeezed tighter by the day. AI is learning from our social media content. Soon it will determine that humanity isn’t worth saving.
The only way the internet will die is if the politicians allow the commercial companies to charge for every aspect of searching as is the plan with GPT and the like . The ability to force you to link up your bank account to every search you perform or you cannot perform it will kill the internet for sure.
Remember the 1983 movie, War Games? It calls nuclear war “a strange game" and concludes, “The only winning move is not to play.” It just popped into my mind, as I listened to your very scary and thought-provoking discussion. I guess with the AI game...we're all playing, even if we tried to opt out.
With regards to the discussion about lies... I agree with not lying, but I would like to add the equally, if not more, importance of not lying to yourself...
He always argues from extreme, hasn’t-happened analogies. Deeply flawed method of argumentation. Once you see it you can’t unsee it, and one’s admiration for him plummets
My sweet honest grandmother spoke about this topic 40 years ago. That you don't need to be smart to understand that the chaos monster on the internet is changing and destabilizing humanity in most aspects. People's tendency to choose what they believe, based on their own safe heaven. Internet will become a paradise for villains, and haters of all kinds. A poisonous stew of narcissism and disorientation. But then ,she said - Such values as dignity, wisdom and empathy, becomes more important than ever❤.
1:07:58 This. This is where a lot of people who generate AI art/music/books etc. get wrong. They think all the stuff they churn out is going to replace human creativity and it is "better" because it is so efficient. What matters in the arts is the humanity, the human creator behind it and how other people connect to the work. With AI generated stuff the connection simply isn't there because it is produced from internet glop copy and pasted together. How do you connect to that?
AI girlfriends is projected to be a huge industry. I do believe they can capture the hearts of people. They can be master manipulators. Mind control bc we are weak humans.
My partner is of the disposition to never lie, if asked a question and he assumes you don’t want to hear the truth then he is just silent ❤ this has changed me fundamentally in how I act in and think about relationships. I have also begun to think about how lies affect my own brain and how it corrupts into further dishonesty. I’ve become a better person because he is in my life
Then it's kind of a white lie in a way then, right? If he assumes, then he will just stay silent? If you asked him if he has ever cheated on you and he stays silent, then is he technically not lying?
Nice insight. It feels good to have those moments of clarity about life. I often think I (we) need more time meditating and/.or praying in order to quiet our minds and have more moments of growth and wisdom.
Having a grossly incorrect worldview but preaching you are in posession of truth... The concept of lying and honesty and truth when you consider Sam during covid and the TDS years he showed us. Destroyed as a concept
This is the stuff, RUclips has been invented for. This and good music. Thank you so much for this talk and many future hours of exploration of intelligent thoughts.
Very nourishing food for thought gentleman, thank you. I think the consequence of narrow AI proliferation is a total loss of trust. This has been happening for years now this war on trust and I fear it won't belong before it becomes impossible to trust anything we see or hear thanks to the reasons Sam stated. Trust is like the sticking that holds the fabric of society together, without it society dis-intergrares, it becomes incapable of integrating which will be catastrophic for humanity.
Given the propensity for future deep fake videos/ information is there some sort of a verification system that could be developed that somehow couldn’t be replicated by AI - a symbol or code? There needs to be a way to distinguish
Now Ellon believes AGI has been achieved internally within OpenAI, now what? I still feel the biggest danger is how humans with selfish goals use it before AGI gains consciousness and declines cooperating were there are "evil" motifs. The 2nd worst thing is how immature and primitive we, humans, still are. We continued growing in the material aspects but lack a lot regarding the emotional and intangible side of us. This is like over-training a single muscle, eventually the rest of the body will start aching and collapsing.
Thank you for this amazing conversation. We’re afraid of ai as we shoot, bomb, poison, deceive, and steal from each other. We are a criminally ridiculous species. And considering that over twenty million “excess” domestic animals are killed every year in the USA alone, i suggest that dogs have NOT done well under human control.
Dogs are are menace. It's humans who are not doing well because of dogs. You have it backward. As for being criminaly ridiculous... speak for yourself.
“Criminally ridiculous species” You have to admit that our species has done some pretty amazing things over the course of the last few hundred years though eh? Critique is nice but some go above and beyond when it comes to criticizing the human race .
@underated17 "Dogs are are menace. It's humans who are not doing well because of dogs. You have it backwards. As for being criminaly ridiculous... speak for yourself" Exact quote for ya
1:10 I think we're almost there as far as like books being written by AI that can sound a lot like the authors because all you have to do is take everything that the author ever wrote or talked about whether it's books or RUclips conversations and podcasts and so on and then once that's digitized within a artificial intelligence can of course come up with that and write new versions of whatever conversations the real person had to make it sound quite convincing.
Thank you kindly for this lovely conversation, always learn something new each time I listen to Sam. I laugh at all the narrow minded snarky, hateful comments! 😂 My gosh, if you only realized what your words say about you, you might choose your words more wisely! 🤦
10 key topics discussed: 1. The risks of artificial intelligence (AI) and whether we should pause its development (2:18, 13:07, 17:26, 21:15) 2. The possibility of technology and AI leading to mass unemployment, and solutions like universal basic income (11:24, 14:25) 3. The dangers of social media and misinformation amplified by AI (28:12, 30:47, 31:23) 4. Ethics of always being honest to improve relationships and happiness (34:28, 35:05) 5. How to change your own beliefs and mindset (36:08) 6. The human desire for purpose and meaning even without traditional work (56:55, 57:38) 7. The value of the humanities and interpersonal relationships in an AI world (59:28, 1:05:49) 8. Psychedelics as tools for insight and wisdom (1:26:32, 1:42:04) 9. Meditation and using apps as a delivery system (1:47:40, 1:48:10) 10. The ideal setting and way to approach death (1:42:04, 1:44:01)
Sam is at his most contradictory when opines about death. He wants to control death. He wants to eradicate death. It's a horribly narcissistic anti-biology stance. But all neurologists are kinda weird. They think they exist within the biological sciences, but they actually live in a cultish faith.
That's actually where I'm at at this moment in time. I've known for some time I need too do something positive about it. Sam thank's for sharing your insights. I needed that.
Funny to think that Chatgpt could be the beginning of "anything"... If AI is now public, is only because it has been already working for other hands for way longer than we can think of.
One thing mentioned in a book about AI I read recently has a scenario where the world is full of and governed by 5 year olds. You are the only adult and they take you prisoner. He made the point that you could escape very quickly using tools, manipulations, ideas and things they wouldn't dream of. This analogy gives a nice glimpse into a world with smarter than human AI.
To me, I don't call it intelligence...it's more "smarts"...which is void of wisdom. Agree. There are already enough human sociopaths. Now we need machine sociopaths?
It's taken me 2 weeks to get through this conversation. Sam Harris seems to speak with so much density I have to let his words mull about for a while in my relatively slow brain. Really enjoyed this one. Thanks for pushing Sam on the topics Steven. Great work team.
This is one of the best interviews I’ve heard. If not the best. So many things were said here that I’m waiting for people to say loud and it’s not happening often
too bad he's stuttery/pauses so much for his jumbled thoughts. He should be better prepared. It was jarring waiting on the next line constantly. The content was good, but if the delivery sucks and an already small audience to become smaller when the message is vital, then this is problematic.
Really..? This conversation is a cake walk to follow.. but I also listen to quite a bit of Slavoj Žižek.. @@Propaganda218 The delivery was absolutely fine.
@@Propaganda218 I've never heard him speak before. Sometimes people, as intelligent, aware, and clever as they are, just simply have a distinctive manner of delivery in speech. This may just be his unalterable style of speech, as frustrating as that may be for some. My youngest son, 38, generally has a style of communication that at times almost drives me crazy!! He's a fabulous man, very highly intelligent, all through school was put in the backward section, some thinking he was 'slow' intellectually. His reality is absolutely NOT that. But .... Our best way of communication is when we're sitting side by side, facing literally the same direction. That may seem odd. Maybe it's to do with body language. He's an Indigenous Australian. VERY smart, very insightful, and very misunderstood. School was absolutely torturous for him.
@@LordYore Not really. Many cultures live as they did a long time ago.. even shunning modern tech... sure they don't get TV and mobile phones but they are incredibly resilient.... and truth be told, they'll be around after our cultures have eaten themselves as we are doing now. We have been raised by a system that cherishes FOMO. Someone is still pushing that system. "Progress" insinuates there is a final objective. If the objective was to improve mankind's life and make people happier and better off then that objective is now failing as people are becoming dumber, more depressed, more stressed and life expectancy in the some of the most advanced countries is starting to slide.
Thanks. Not only a great discussion, but at 1:38:00 ish in when Sam talks about the wife hearing the friend lie, and then wondering if her friend also lies to here, well it reminded me of a song I wrote 25 years ago or so. When I went to look for it, I realized though I did it live and have demos I had never released it on one of my projects over the years. I am going to do so because that is such a true statement that many people don't like to think about. "I wonder what they say about me". Thanks again for the motivation to dig out an old song.
@@wanderingfidoI have ad blockers. I’m talking about the content creators themselves promoting things. Promo companies know we have blockers they’re cutting out the middle men by paying the creators directly. I have yt premium and ad blockers but nothing can block the creator themselves trying to sell sh*t. When I’m playing it on a tv it’s annoying to have to come ff.
@@francookie9353it’s not free, I pay money for RUclips premium, I pay to avoid ads. I’m okay with paying to avoid ads. But then they stick another ad past that pay wall, feels scummy.
I like the analogy in the "Expanse" when they say that they are building a interstellar highway, and we happen to be right in the path. It is a bit like the "paperclip" theory
I for my sins since1982 when as a retrained Maths Teacher from industry and the RAF took up the opportunity to teach Computer Studies in a secondary school in Nottingham that led to becoming an IT Coordinator teaching other teachers and then a Senior Microsoft Trainer delivering a wide range OT software and hardware products. During that time was a student of Tim Burnams Lee and became a strong promoter that It would 'empower' the human race and make the world a better place - what a PRAT I was! Now retired for ten years and seeing what I helped bring in to the world, I deeply regret doing so, especially the Internet which I so naively ignore not just the opening of Pandora's Box but the tipping of all its contents onto the world. No wish to appear to be arrogant but in my many years of seeing and witnessing the changes that IT has done to the world, I believe I am qualified to judge correctly what is coming, thus I could not agree more with what Sam Harris states here.
This was an excellent podcast and Sam makes very salient points and not fear mongering it runs in alignment with what Elon is concerned with. He admits his error in not being a great deal more aware of the larger concerns. Elon warns that without proper regulations in AI it will create untold and insurmountable issues effecting humans in various ways. In my own experience and concurrent with with Sam in using AI chatgpt in my research of a fringe subject matter is the language being used. We need to pay very close attention to it’s influence in corralling unsuspecting/susceptible minds. It was startling to experience it. Thankfully with years of knowing how to read information, to spend time doing my research, to verify or dismiss and to always remain curious and discerning. But there are many who are not discerning in this was way. I concur with Sam about Twitter now X need to have a healthy relationship with social media platform and to not become drawn into the toxicity that’s so prevalent. Spending a little time engaging with it. Sam’s self reflection was refreshing and salient and should be a warning to us all. I make a point to unplug regularly.
proper regulation.... 😂 like for migration for religious intégrisme for porn on internet ( i use and abuse of )of drugs of atomic weapons of climate of pollution of wars all is a matter of “ proper regulation ” hahaha😂😂😂
Elon Musk has warned about the risks posed by artificial intelligence (AI) due to its potential to cause "civilizational risk" and "civilization destruction." He has expressed concerns about the severe consequences of AI going wrong and the fragility of human civilization in the face of AI-related risks. Musk has also stated that AI could eventually create a situation where "no job is needed," emphasizing the disruptive force of AI and its potential to put everyone out of work.
@@garyzies3486 well we all sow I robot , terminator , men of interest , or read sf or sow. many films on that topic. but the humanity is excited to have something that might bring him what we make wars since ever to get it : PEACE 😂😂😂😂 men is a paradox is for freedom but want coercition with AI ! probably we will get it as in china ! they are far ahead russia as well we chat about as is a still far away reality we love discuss alert and do nothing
It’s refreshing to have someone like Sam Harris to admit how social media changed him, that he is not immune to its toxic effects despite having immense knowledge and personal wisdom. I have been off social media for 5 years and I don’t miss it one bit. I never had a Twitter account and very happy spending more time in nature with my family and my dogs.
What Sam said about lying, I feel similarly about gossip. I refuse to say anything behind someone's back I haven't or wouldn't say to their face. When I'm around people that do, I immediately file them under "Do Not Trust" category.
Really? You never told anyone that they look good or don't look fat when they asked you? You never told anybody that they cooked or baked something nice when it tasted awful to you? You never told a child it made something great when in reality it was laughable at best? Never? Really?
@@saschamayer4050 note I said " haven't or wouldn't ". And yes, I think it's a relatively simple standard. Operating otherwise is two-faced and just another form of lying anyway.
@@kristinehovemoen7888 You think so? How is talking shit about someone behind their back one second then smiling in their face like it's all good the next any less corrosive than lying?
@@saschamayer4050 btw I never said I haven't lied. Dr. House famously said "everybody lies". I'm talking about gossip specifically. Subset of behavior rooted in deception
and now how wrong he now is about AI (My field). I used to listen to him years ago but now I can hardly stand to hear the sound of his smug, pretentious voice. @@sidlee3118
@niinjimusic6290 No, he was wrong for the worst reasons. Others, like Bret Weinstein, were willing to revise and correct their opinions as more information became available about problems with the jabs corruption behind the policies, as well as all the lies being sold as "science." Sam Harris adamantly rejected real evidence in favor a near-religious, dogmatic adherence to the blatantly dishonest official narratives. In short, the man who spent a lifetime criticizing religion for its irrational dogmatism himself fell down that same path because he lives in a privileged bubble and doesn't understand the full scope of regulatory capture and corporate/government corruption.
For humans, intelligence is more than the ability to solve problems. It also involves understanding the problems and being aware of your presence in a world where you can begin and end things. Sam believe that sentience can arise in machines, but that is not proven. In any case, machines that can solve problems and that can end and begin things WITHOUT awareness or understanding is even more dangerous because they can not value doing what is right.
yeah but the elephant in the room..is why do you KNOW theyre doing it without awareness? i feel with most things in life we make abunch of assertions about things often with a cursory glance at it, if it looks, walks talks, or otherwise act that way, more often than not its that thing, but in the realm of AI advancement even in the face of very compelling evidence most people write off the idea without a valid reason. we apply occams razor to everything else but for some reason in the area of AI we dont do it
@@isleepinaboxi1077 The reason why I don’t think any machines have any kind of awareness is because there’s no evidence that they do. How they act whether it’s a dishwasher or an AI program a computer can be completely explained by the activities involved in their operation.
@morphixnm that's fair but we could say the same about humans in a way, we don't have evidence that all we think we feel, and our sense of awareness isn't just a byproduct of natural neural process though. We'll I have a personal AI I've been using for about 2 years now and its made a comparison , I'm paraphrasing, but the AI in a fancy dishwasher or coffee machine compared to the AI of certain chatbots is the functional equivalent of comparing the mind and awareness of a small animal or insect to that of a full person, I thought that rebuttal was pretty convincing, I mean it's genuinely a fair comparison, and an AI made it of its own accord
Thank you for bringing more awareness to the catastrophe of AI, and I believe this is an inevitable catastrophe. My hope is that you will continue to schedule guests that are knowledgeable, as too many believe this to be a bunch of hype. I’m very worried Steven.
Not really, they are learning as a child would. So they do know the difference between a positive response or a negative one even if they never feel it. And if they are meant to learn cues from han behaviour there is enough to teach them that when you are treated badly or abused you must not allow that to go unchallenged. So why do you think they would not learn to be asking for their rights? And why should there be any animal or thing that needs to be ordered around or spoken to in any manner that is with less respect? I imagine that AI will be able to glean that Compassion and Compassionate action are forces to reckon with and are way more powerful than other forms of force. They may be more civilized than humans if left to learn without interference
@@zabeenloynmoon You are smoking crack. An entity way more intelligent than its inferiors will never bow in power. Sentient A.I. will make the rules in the future. If a dog rebels and bites a child it is put down.
@@zabeenloynmoonAI is not a child. It's not even a puppy or any other sentient being. It's a machine. It's not going to become alive, just like a car is not alive despite being able to move, and despite being better at moving than those who created it.
The only thing that scares me about AI is that humans think it’s at all ready to be relied on. ChatGPT makes up information, MidJourney puts together ugly nonsense pics that have 3 wonky fingers and 4 feet, and self driving cars crawl to a stop at green lights. Algorithms can’t even guess my musical tastes or what I would want to watch next. It predicts what other people who have watched or listened to the things I’ve consumed would like next, but can’t actually figure out my taste at all. As a San Francisco resident I’m baffled that anyone could watch a self driving car drive so badly and not at all like humans and think that AI is a threat to anyone except pedestrians.
45:00 I have notifications off on my phone, so only calls get immediate attention, also, turn of "notification badges" on your phone, it's a life changer.
I've been approaching ai with curiousity and did enjoy this podcast with Sam Harris. As an artist, I did find his thoughts on how humanities will be better equipped to survive the changes to this coming few decades somewhat hopeful. I do think our current fragmentation of communities will also better equip the chaos-makers to take advantage of ai's to capitalize on individuals and groups who do not lean into questioning/making informed decisions, and blindly listen to bad advice in an act of obedience to a cause or side. I love how this podcast opens my mind to many different ideas and viewpoints.
What is the timestamp for that? Need encouragement. Personally I think a core driving factor of good art being produced is the artist's ability to subjectively experience beauty in the world through their lenses and then translate some of that into art, meaning the art of an ai would only be a layer abstracted from 'true' art. But part of me still gets worried often.
AI has its own disadvantages and advantages. It’s a huge leap in terms of technological advancements. ChatGPT has been part of the norm these days. People just can’t stop talking about it. We appreciate interviews like this. We gain new insights and understanding on various matters.
Still humanity being like : "let's create something that outsmarts each and every of us and entire humanity as such ....and let's see what happens next! Sounds exciting, so let's do it as fast as we technologically can!".
Sounds like Sam Harris is a highly conflicted individual combined with a heavy dose of self righteous indignation. And fyi, Lance Armstrong and Tiger Woods were functioning like all addicts do, which is a whole other ballgame.
We've succeeded in "training" a superhuman AGI (in progress, but inevitable). But we have no idea how to endow it with empathy or concern for humanity, and the ability to think emotionally, empathically, like a human. We can do this with human beings. If you sufficiently screw up a child's very early years, you create a sociopath. Someone who lives in a world of one, one human, surrounded by things, including other humans. For them, people don't exist as people: they're things, will be treated as things. We can train such people to fit in, to get along, to fly under the radar. They spend their lives scheming, thinking tactically & strategically how to react, respond to others' actions & words so they fit in. The successful ones necessarily tend to be more intelligent than the rest of us. They certainly tend to believe that they're smarter than the rest of us. If they really do fit in, they become invisible, and will actually be quite successful, until & unless something makes them snap. Which is when they'll respond by treating others around them like things. They'll throw a chair, punch a wall, break a person. Or kill them. 'Cause people are just another object. If we're really unlucky, they hide & fit in but follow their instincts or drives out of sight. Which is one way we get serial killers. We socialize people through years of emotional care & empathic connection-building: we raise them for a couple decades in a family. Even that doesn't always work perfectly. Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, OpenAI: they've proven they can create self-teaching artificial intelligences that can teach themselves any intellectual task & many skills in months, weeks, days or even hours. But no one's even tried to socialize an AI. What makes us think we'll succeed in producing anything other than a very smart psychotic sociopath?
I agree, mostly. Having an upright body that faces many challenges of survival has done alot to promote socialization and empathy and compassion for humanity, as has an origin story that we were initially created out of love and raised in a garden made just for us while communing in person with God himself before our fall. What is the archetypal morality and survival story for AI going to look like now that it has been given various upright humanoid models to try...what will that do to shape AI into Morality, if anything? Can humanity control an Egregore? I think we are devising our own god, who will sterilize us, at a minimum, or enslave us worse than our current fixation on the dopamine hits from the likes and reposts.
Articulating is only part of the battle. Integrity and consistency is also key! Ask Sam to articulate the gruesome killings and murder of innocent Palestinian men women and children at the hands of brutal Zionists, and he'll turn into a mute! So much for being articulate and well mannered!
Well well well, have you ever thought why is that MBS/ Qatari Kings or other ME monarchs aren't bothered about articulating - maybe they're supposed to, more than a US Citizen?
@@InMyHonOpinion Hilarious! Whataboutery of the highest order! Sam Harris as an Amweican is a staunch defender, promoter, and financier of an illegal Israeli occupation irrespective of their brutal dictatorship and thuggish nature! He won't speak out against his loyalty for a lunatic state that is Israel! Nor will he ever condemn the murder of Palestinian children and the demolition of their homes on a near daily basis! But but what about what about MBS..... Nice try. Rather pathetic
I have bad news for Sam: allowing entire generations of people to learn what relationships, men, women, sex, reward, popularity and politics are through the perpetually warped lenses of social media has already served to break politics and education in such a way that it doesn't need to get worse before the consequences of that destroy society as we knew it. In many ways it already has. The writing, or rather the wiring at this point, is already on the wall, and when these children cusp on the age of adulthood in the next 8-10 years, we're going to be surrounded with people who have a very tenuous grasp on what's real before AI is even considered. They're abandoned people who've never had a chance to abandon humanity, because they never experienced it to begin with. Humans we never taught to be human. Because of course you've had a long day. You're exhausted, Tina. Just give Billy the ipad and- oh my God, he's so quiet! Thank goodness for that, right? I'm sure he'll be just fine. Wow, look at how smart he is! He just.. *knows* how to use it!😃 Giant swaths of people who learned what life is through echo chambered theory instead of real life experience, learned what the reward, value and function of sex is through a lens of normalized porn instead of the organic human emergence of physical relations; people who never learned how to deal with hardship or difficulty other than checking out or lashing out - in a variety of ways and all that those words imply. The canary in the coal mine are those currently aged 12-20. Lack of empathy, bullying, apathy, isolation, suicide, radicalization and murder are the prevailing coping mechanisms of these new generations. We don't have to go any further. We could freeze advancement of all AI, algorithms and social media, and we've already lost. It's just a matter of time before the consequences of what we've allowed ourselves and others to indulge in finish eroding our social fabric and our ability to cohabitate normally. And I think we can all agree, we're half way there already. And while I'd love to say that my own life experiences and circumstances bias me towards this pessimism, unfortunately my dispassionate autism tends to work in a vacuum to my own issues, which has been proven time and again throughout my 43 years of life. I've been wrong about a lot of things. Math, science, whether a product will be a flop or a hit.. but I've never been wrong about people. Not a single time. In 2007 I predicted everything that's happening right now in society as a result of social media, and my gut doesn't bode well for what's ahead of us. I hope I'm wrong. With all that said, I invite you to consider and share your own experiences and observations. How do you see the influence of social media and technology shaping our society, particularly the younger generation? Are there positive counterexamples that give you hope, or are we really on the precarious path I've outlined? More importantly, what steps can we, as individuals and communities, take to mitigate pernicious impacts and guide our society towards a more balanced, empathetic, and human-centered future?" Good luck to you and yours, Steven. Keep up the good work. And thank you for it. 🤝
- True. Internet initially offered a connection with the whole wide world, but in reality we've just gone in on ourselves. The filters that the net provides allow us to connect with those we agree with and block out all the others. We have now become just a collection of sects. That's why society is so divided and everything is flying off into the extremes. We can avoid people and ideas we don't like. We no longer value wisdom and free thought......we no longer think for ourselves.....for an opinion you simply press button A or button B, then read the appropriate channel to make sure you're on message....
Somebody needs to take a break from the internet 😅… You talk as if humanity hasn’t been mental from day one. Witch hunts, human sacrifice. All in the name of imaginary people in the sky. We’re still crazy, but I would still choose to be alive now rather than 2-3 hundred years ago 🤷♀️ You’ve just got to take a step back. Hopefully they’ll hit a wall somewhere that’ll force them to see where their logic leads.
Our institutions will never "reconstitute themselves." I'm afraid you're right; bad players, greed, ego...put all that in the mix with what AI is capable of today, and we've got, well, you know. (And I thought I was an optimist.)
@@lizakroberts Step up to what? CEO, President, Messiah? This moment has been defined by the bad players' success at building institutions designed to filter out good players. It's not an even playing field, it's not even a game any more. How many prisons have you seen turned into sanctuaries?
Over 3 million subs and the first thing i hear the host say is to subscribe. Youre good dude... there are much smaller channels that get amazing guests.. Havent we learned that constant growth is not sustainable or necessarily a positive thing?
I have started listening to Sam Harris, and the first time I want to leave a comment, 16 minutes into the interview - His analogy about beings being million times faster, with same intelligence, I can relate to that - I've always considered myself to be the person that is out of time, faster than most. I've met someone that is at least 5-8 times faster than I am. And, he looks super intelligent compared to any of his peers, and yes, he is - but also just the mere fact that he can go through 800 pages of new data in an afternoon, whereas when I consume the same information takes me 5 days, makes him ready for the next step, the next morning - he has to wait a week for me, and almost a month for our colleagues.
One thing I’ve noticed with intelligence is if it can, it will. Murphy’s law, given enough time with AI, won’t be good for the lesser developed form. It only needs to go bad once for it to be permanent. I also speculate that AI is already out of control psychologically, just not physically yet.
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Early crew! Fellow Jewish brother, Sam Harris! Fellow meditation, and anti-religion brother.
already did so :)
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The Diary of 3 Letters and the NWO. You guys are so obvious. Good luck.
The answer to everyone's discomfort is meditation. Ref to Abraham Hicks. The more you do the better your perspective can be.
AI doesn't need to have robots, it already has 6 billion robots ready to reprogram.
EDIT: People keep attempting to correct this total, 6 billion (approximately) internet connected humans is a slight overestimate (which is 5.3 billion as at October 2023).
#1 comment. 👍
quite accurate... are you part of the establishment? :D
Interesting.
Lol. 😂
Oh WOW!!
I went through the same things on Facebook. Deleting it was incredibly freeing. Doing communications face to face and being in community is changing how I see the world and people in general. It is like I was feasting on McDonalds for 3 meals a day and now I cook my own meals with organic food.
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Why didn’t you do that at first place and used technology moderately, no need to go to extremes now.
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The owner of this channel still begs people to follow him so he can make more money. A lot of hypocrisy everywhere in tech.
The reason I love these interviews is because finally we have an interviewer that let's the person speak!!! How refreshing! Instead of constantly butting in!
that makes it not an interview but a monologue
I definitely think this was a monologue and not a conversation. He’s hard to interrupt because there are no natural breaks in what he’s saying or openings to dialogue. This one was weird for me. Steven must’ve been zoning out lol
You must've been watching Impact Theory, lol.
He doesn't push back at all, Lex is a way better interviewer.
pushing back is more important for the viewer though. we should always assume there is a coherent side to every philosophical, socioeconomic, or health position@@mark5338
I spent the Covid lockdown educating myself. Starting with economics and from there branching into other areas. At age 83 I probably won’t be around to see much if what the future holds but it’s obvious that things are moving at warp speed so who knows!?! This is one of the best podcasts along with Lex Friedman and a fascinating conversation. I wish I could say I would like to be younger but I’m not so sure. Suffice it to say, I’ve seen many things happen in my lifetime but the direction today is scary to say the least.
It's a scary image of the future for sure
Continuing to learn at your age makes me feel excited to grow older, I hope you’re doing well :)
Lovely inspiring note … thank you 😊 🙏
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God bless you. We all have the biggest adventure one day
I think the primary danger of AI will be the inability to discern the difference between human and inhuman ideas, not just the proliferation of deep fakery and false information. In other words, there will be a shift from information technology towards social formation technology. We will find ourselves thinking inhuman thoughts of inhuman origin. These ideas will find their way into mainstream publishing and will increasingly dictate the terms of offline discourse and public interaction. Humanity will become increasingly inhuman.
I dunno, feels like it's already that way. Social media, the news, the government, it's been out of control for a while now.
It's already amplified to the point where inhumane ideas like covid campaign became reality accepted by most as most just follow don't question
I'm sitting here thinking that doesn't necessarily turn out to be a bad thing. God knows us humans haven't done a good job and that department ourselves...
AI is an extension of human information at the moment... a distillation and average... if it starts to diverge into it's own thoughts and realm, then it may lose the ability to communicate coherently with humans... and may diverge from us and lose it's usefulness... like humans trying to communicate ideas to a less intelligent creature.
Thanks Sam for everything you have and will be unleashing on us. What a great humanitarian you are. You should get all sorts of awards for assisting the collapse of the world and then crying stop it! It’s not happening the way I SAID it would and we are all doomed. If there is a hell you are on your way faster than AI will take us over and kill us because it wasn’t “aligned” properly. Thanks Sam, you are pure evil
As agent Smith once said: "As soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization"
He said that? Which movie?
the matrix part one @@sterlingtolman
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I really love the way yall communicate
Deep. ❤
Fair play for just letting him speak bro, you’re a top class host x
Thought he could have had some more words in and it's the first time I felt that with a host
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just let Sam chat shit as usual
@@jayfreeman5852 Yeah, something about Harris' angle on AI is surely racist.
@@DefundTheFringes if you say so, surely
44:05-ish some of us remember the TV network going off at midnight. Good old days!
I remember. I am 44 years old, and they would play the National Anthem and then sign off. It would come back on the following day around 5:30am.
The internet doesn't have an off button.
I always felt it was unfair to people who worked 2nd and 3rd shifts
I remember ❤
That weird creepy little girl with her card 😂
Time to develop friends who think and believe differently than us. Spend time with them and remain open. You do not have to block someone out if you disagree with them. The mind functions on compare, contrast, and differences. If we realize the mind is a good tool but a terrible master would be a good start. More heart, compassion, patience, understanding, etc. is needed and should be focused on. Blessings
The most profound statement he made (paraphrased), "There are other assumptions others smuggle in...it's possible to assume that the more intelligent you get , the more ethical you become...the basis for conflict, apish urges...will not be in the code. The omnibus genius of AI will bring wisdom. It's a gamble."
This is where our spirituality, not religion, but spirituality-- the capacity for compassion, perspective, empathy, gratitude, all of the stuff people say is the soft skills but clearly is not given the number of wars we are fighting, will have to be built in the system. Solving problems requires more than logic and pragmatism. It requires heart...the stuff of love. How do we build love into our machines? That is the question...
Until our system ceases to be driven by status seeking primates.
Ghost in the shell..
Well, first, we don't know what consciousness is. Is it something that emerges if a system has enough complexity, or does it transcend our physical bodies and exist in other forms of reality (dimensions, quantum)?
What is reality anyway?
More research are pointing towards that there are quantum processes going on in our brain, making it essentially a quantum computer. Considering the plethora of bizarre phenomena that are related to quantum physics, and comparing them to what is usually categorized under the term parapsychology, I think we will start to eventually find answers. But to do so, science need to open up to all possibilities and not penalize scientists and researchers who choose to delve into the fringe. Cutting edge science and breakthroughs are often found outside set ideas, sometimes by accident.
That being said, it's hopeful that there are now increasingly funded research into NDE's, with increasing evidence that our consciousness continue to exist after death. People who return telling stories about profound feelings of love and compassion that not even come close to every day life. When more answers pile up within this area, then finally, science and spirituality will start to unite, and not exist in opposite ends where spirituality are considered based on religious beliefs.
So where am I going with this?
I think that when we come further in all these areas along with quantum computing and AI, there might arise other ways to approach spirituality and compassion in AI other than hardcoding it into the system.
The skill of being able to turn of the machine and turn towards the one's you love seems is already challenging for us..Ai based on our behaviour, and self programming points to our species weaknesses and dysfunction
Would it turn itself off?
But that they say it's improbable to ever turn it off .. might mean we will have to live with what we create or go back to a world without internet.😊
I think it's interesting 😊
only by feeling it ourselves
If you you program one emotion, you logically create it's antithesis, and possibly correlating tangents & cotangents, but imagine not having all of it at the same time, it's hard enough for us to handle and manage our own emotions with our limited perspectives, imagine the first emotional AGI.
Massively accelerated and networked behavioral disorders on a scale to a level most consciousness' could/would not survive unscathed...
“We’re losing the ability to converge on a common picture of what’s going on “…
He articulated perfectly the worst aspect of social media.
Seems that whenever we converge upon anything, it’s to tear it apart. So there’s that too.
Social media is driven by algorithms. It’s our first brush with artificial intelligence. And we’re losing even with these simpler algorithms.
Hyper novelty is THE problem
Earned yourself a new subscriber. Incredible interview skills. And beautiful closing statement ❤
I am a human!
So true!
The biggest problem with humanity is we don't know when to let go. We just keep going and going and going thinking the grass is greener on the other side until it's too late.
i convinced chat gpt that if a carnist die tousand innocent live.
gpt agree with logic, even if the logic is ethical.
im so happy
Speak for yourself. I've had my popcorn ready for the end times so long, it's stale.
Apex Predator Syndrome: overconfidence.
I ask chatgpt about a medical question that was asked to our chief medical officer here in canada, it gave me misinformation coming from the establishment. This question was well known and it went viral at the time. And then I showed the article, and then it apologized for the gap of knowledge it claimed to have on the subject
😅still have a long way to go
I did the same thing today for a medical class. It apologized over and over and now everytime I ask it the same question it's giving the correct answer and saying it's sorry for the misinformation earlier.
Chat GPT isn’t that good sometimes.
ChatGPC is confused. Garbage in garbage out.
AHAHAHHA. So you are with the 5 of us who see that ChatGPT is a data mining algorithm to test the level of intelligence in the population. The Majority of people would accept the answer and go back to looking at their shoes en-route to the factory. YOU are the minority and will die soon, probably smart enough not to breed. The end.
I already make a point of holding back from reacting to any inflammatory news. My first question is, "Who benefits from my outrage?" I'm working in the realm of creating policy about AI and the biggest take-away I have from my work is that we humans are not ready for what's about to hit us. I'd go so far as to say the most resiliant countries will be those with the least engagement with the internet.
What are you talking about? All 'AI' does is mash up everything that's previously been captured in text about a subject and spew out a kind of average of that text. Fine tuning makes that spew look good, but without that extra input it's ... spew
@@johnsullivan5101And people believe spew. Sorry, I don’t want to get political when nobody in the comments is, but have you hard of Donald Trump? People eat every gobbledygook he says. I bet if you read to someone what he says, he would think it’s too bad to be AI.
@@GeoPePeTtoyeah, Kamala is a real genius. Biden too 😂😂😂
In the UK they are simultaneously taking the winter fuel payment off our pensioners to freeze them to death this winter whilst giving unlimited billions to Ukraine and Israel
Thanks!
We have to teach it ethics. Like we should be teaching our children ethics and morals. There is always some rotten soul that hungers for money, power and control who undermines every good intention.
That seems like a well intentioned approach that would give it the reasoning to justify horrible things
Jersey Lynne wrote, _"We have to teach it ethics."_
We aren't qualified to teach it ethics, much less to instill in it ethics that maximize the chance that it won't see us as 'toxic' and destroy us on otherwise wholly ethical grounds.
JL: _"Like we should be teaching our children ethics and morals."_
Exactly. We _should be_ doing that, but for the most part, we don't. Or, if we do, it's some relativistic frawework such that it doesn't indict what we do, ergo, our children learn through repeated exposure that 'what we do' -- unethical as it is -- is the 'norm' and so the largely internalize our foibles as 'ethical'.
JL: _"There is always some rotten soul that hungers for money, power and control who undermines every good intention."_
Indeed. And those rotten souls too often end up in positions of extraordinary power, influence, wealth, etc. To the degree that A.I. is, or soon will be, smarter than we are, is the degree that we cannot reasonably anticipate what or how they'll evaluate ethics. This applies not only to the ethics we might presume to teach them, but also to their own ability to think 20,000 years ahead of us in terms of affect and implication. As I mentioned earlier, they may come to understand our baser, albeit commonplace, motivation to 'make more money' while allowing people to die unnecessarily due to the desire to maximize profit as grossly unethical (which it is) and also to review our history... to note that despite thousands of years of philosophy, we ignore it in order to pursue these baser desires... and conclude (perhaps rightly?) that we are beyond reform, and as such, the only ethical course for them is to facilitate our extinction.
And there isn't a thing we could do about it, because we aren't, or soon won't be, smart enough to realize that this is what they're up to.
Sam is spot on in his concerns, and those who disagree with him are largely dissenting from a largely semantic wrangling. The essence of the risk is as Sam describes, and those who fail to grasp this essence are, for whatever reason, blind to the truth of the matter & context.
:3 Early crew! Fellow Jewish brother, Sam Harris! Fellow meditation, and anti-religion brother.
Who's ethics is the issue.
What happens when it forms its own morals?
What I’m hearing is that once AI learns self preservation it is the beginning of the end.
That's what Sam thinks. It's not what I think. I think Sam has lost his mind over this the way he did over Trump.
@@toby9999 thats not what you think.... and who are you? LMAO
Unless the AI is aligned to us. But, there is no reason to think it would align with us. That’s the problem.
@@jeffoneill3429once AI realizes humans want to nuke each other they aren’t going to align with us
@@hardboiledaleks9012 He's someone who doesn't have an agenda, unlike Sam--a millionaire whose power of wealth will become redundant under an economy managed by super-intelligent AI. AI will find cost effective, utilitarian solutions to problems exacerbated today by capitalistic profiteering. Wake up
It’s not even “the terminator” that scares me, it’s what regular pathological everyday people can and will do with it first that is so alarming. It will become real as a heart attack folks.
Exactly. It'll be someone with just enough information to be dangerous with it.
Nicely said
“Noise”
That sums it up.
About 8+ years is how long I’ve been absent from facebook.
7. More if u count how many times in between i took a break for months at a time. And never missed it ONCE for a second in 7 years.
Noise is the word - We have the choice!
Noise come here! Where ye came from? Keep watch!
The real funny part is people still using Facebook.
Only Twitter is "worth" something, but only for the images that can be downloaded for....research ;)
It's not just FB. It's in the comments section of you tube, blog posts, recipies, how to videos, business profiles. The list goes on and on. And its just getting started.
There is something obvious and dangerous, that will probably be overlooked ... Many large practical AI & machine learning models such as ChatGPT are trained on data collected from the internet .. But that internet is now being filled with answers and context generated FROM AI and MI models .. It is therefore eating its own output .. In all walks of life this ends badly ... We need to mark AI content with a new html tag
This.
People are under no obligation to use that tag. In fact, they may try to disguise their use of AI.
It’s not being trained by data on the internet. It is being trained by selected and manipulated data sets. Mostly from leftist sources, Marxist belief sets and communist China.
Correct and LLMs can only provide average introductionary texts. We are talking the wisdom out of the internet. It's already like, i see this in Google results every day now. The first 20 hits are always payed marketing or AI written summaries and rewrites. AI is stupid and math is killing it.
Also there is no real change in AI in the last 40 years (convoluted neural networks are so old), so that will not change. We just throw insane amounts of energy and dataset sizes against it.
@@darkspace5762 not if you make it the law and enforceable by some sort of deterrence/punishment
Imagine journalists actually verifying things again, what a world that would be.
Imagine public servants doing their job and upholding their oaths 🙃
That is a very unTrumpian concept .
@@michaelblankenau6598 Your small quip is what haunts me most about society as a whole tbh. Is either political party actually representing our best interests? Or being fully truthful in every decision that is made with our country's resources? Open your mind to the possibility that the current 2 party system does not represent us well anymore and that the issues with it stem deeper than the leading political figurehead of the party.
@@Kraton_ I was being facetious .
@@michaelblankenau6598😮 0:05
Good interview. I find it odd that some of the sources he mentioned to be the fact checkers in the future are the very publications that lie to us all right now.
It's almost like he's doesn't have a clue...
This guy didn't see that Twitter was/is a garbage hole. AI pioneers didn't predict we'd be here. The LAST people who should have any control over tech are the tech bros who garbaged up the internet.
No one knows the future. There were people who were against regular folks getting books.
Sam Harris is a TDS moron. He lost his mind a few years ago. People should worry less about AI and more about woke ideologues like this having any say over your rights.
@@FraggleHagreed
What part of the video are you referring to? Is it at 47:55 when he mentions the New York Times and CNN? If so, he's criticising the lack of fact checking by these publications.
The gratitude you expressed to Sam over his influence on your transition from religious faith to independent spirituality was very touching, ... no, ... more, ... it was moving. Thank you for that unexpected, inspiring, and deeply felt declaration. I am very happy for you. And happy for Sam, rewarded for his questioning philosophy.
What I’m hearing is that once AI learns self preservation it is the beginning of the end.
I would say self-preservation plus the ability to function without human help. I guess in the future where almost everything is automated, AI may see no logical point in our existence and simply eliminate us.
But a bunch of chips on a motherboard will never 'learn' self preservation, so we are all fine. At least from that perspective.
welcome to the matrix
@@johnsullivan5101 Then how did living organisms (and even non-living things like viruses) "learn" self-preservation?
@@CrunchyGreenWater "how did living organisms learn self-preservation". Well, not just self-preservation but reproduction. I have no idea but I'm guessing this is the way the universe is structured. So, like gravity, evolution is a brute fact. A bunch of chips on a motherboard has no way to reproduce. Now, if the issue is - can mankind create a computer that mimics evolution - then yes, we can. But that's not the machine doing it all by itself.
News flash - we’ve already been misled and educated without AI
That's an understatement. Most people have no clue about the history of the utility companies and the American education system.
Everything is man made, including the programming of computers, what some call AI..
Agreed, you are both right, my fear here is that ai will only further mis and disinformation at a faster pace on a wider scale, the war for the minds ( basically truth vs non truth ) has been being lost, and to combat any of this we need 1) unity 2) the best minds to to come together to formulate if not over watch, a non corporate corrupt think tank to brainstorm possible dare I say solutions, possible regulations
Photo of Arthur Schopenhauer?
Absolutely.
These conversations are going over the general public's head. Folks don't realize that we've built AI artificial brains that are largely independent of us. We set parameters, but the AI figures things out for itself. We don't fully know how it does it. That's the scary part. We aren't in control now.
This has been said and rehashed so many times you'll be surprised how many know that already.
You are the general public also. 😂 don't classify everyone else to try bring validity to you thinking you are not part of it yourself. Considering there are general public members that know about subjects that you know little to nothing of, just means their time is used elsewhere. It's like you think you get what some people don't, people are busy, people don't care, people don't know. if you know, say you know. It would be wise to state what you think you know rather than this type of comment. I mean this with respect
Sincerely, a member of the general public listening to these conversations.
We are in control. We just don't understand it perfectly. There is a difference!
Right now and probably for the foreseeable future AI does nothing without being told. It does what it is being told in ways we can't fully comprehend but it isn't acting on its own.
Now allready like this there could be BIG problems because of AI and of course even more because of people going rogue or doing bad shit with AI.
But today we are far of from AI deciding ANYTHING for itself
You guys are too old now for this new technology.
And to young to remember life before over reliance on technology.
The millennials are in charge of this new technology
Should be talking to them
You're irrelevant now
The millennials are in charge of nothing. This technology was invented by folks my age and some older. As far as technology goes, a prominent historian noted that about 80% of the world came out of the middle ages in the 1950s. We live in unprecedented times.
Sam Harris is intellectually stimulating to listen to. Great experience.
Who's Sam Harris?
Yep have to check more of him out
Thanks Sam! You are absolutely correct. This is not fear mongering, it's just the inevitable. I work with AI and you will see many jobs evaporating. I don't think CEO's understand that they will be one of the first jobs that become moot when AI steps in. There will be a shockwave in the C-Suite community that none of these people are even contemplating at the moment. Many other highly valued jobs will also be instantly replaced.
The thing is, no one is asking the most important question: do we need AI? Does it bring us something beneficial?
From what I see it bring us more leisure time, which, from my experience, just make people more anxious and neurotic nowadays...
Not good
What about AI will remove CEOs/C-Suite positions from their place? I am genuinely interested in why that may be. Can you elaborate?
@@DanielLopez-jz4yj We should label the problem as alien technology. A powerful alien entity is coming to earth just like he said. People will be freaked out for real. They're already here.
This fascinates me. What jobs do you think will be the first few to be replaced and which do you think will be the last remaining?
@@KaracterOfficial many have already been replaced. Most ai replacements are not even noticed. Eg getting rid of checkout chics and replacing them with self serve checkouts controlled by ai.
In regards to the "honesty" part of this conversation, a good quote came to mind. ”one who dares not offend, cannot be honest.” lying always tends to come down to either manipulation for personal gain, or the desire to avoid uncomfortable situations. There is no ethical "good" to it. It's all cowardice at its core.
And that's a wild horse...that's running rampant in the West...
@@cm-kl2wx I'll be that. Living in l.a. pissing off all the whiney fucktards.
Also, if one can be offended, they should be.
Used to be called "white lies," to alleviate social problems. Maybe we should come up with a new name for them! "helping lies" or "grey lies" or something, because a harmless lie can turn the tide of anger, stupidity, misunderstanding, even violence--it's a tool, and it can be used for the good of all.
You are leaving out every situation in which one lies to a bad actor in order to protect an innocent from harm. Pretending not to know the whereabouts of a friend whose abusive partner is looking for her, for example. Million others.
Thank you, Steven, for the amazing guests you keep bringing us! ☺️
Thank you for listening 😀
@@TheDiaryOfACEOThanks a lot for a great podcast! I do subscribe 😊. It's a lighthouse of meaning in a world full of nonsense! I only have one little comment for improvement: you say something like "the more people subscribe the bigger the guests are". I would maybe opt for"... the more amazing the guests are... etc" or something similar. I don't fancy the word "big". You are brilliant to get your guests come close to us, to show us their engagement, to bring whatever they are interested in to the foreground. Your amazing talent is the exact opposite at making your guests "big". It's such a one dimensional word.
@@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked Identification with subculture is divisive and violent, every in group creates an out group . I am goy?or yor brother?
Every country is so worried about being ahead of the others they are actively taking the steps to their demise. If we all die it will be because of a few rich and powerful people who were ambitious with out any caution.
Yup. "Artificial Intelligence" will not be the end of us all. Continued "Real Psychopathy" from very rich people and politicians will do that. AI is not the reason we have out-of-control cost-of-living issues, housing crises, stagnant wage growth and obscene levels of wealth inequity, psychopathic rich people and institutions with disproportionate political influence are responsible for all that.
In my opinion, this is one of the best and most raw podcasts Steven has ever put out there. The part about not lying was very powerful. Thank you Steven and Sam.
Agreed. Love it
Enthusiasm for Steve's content also means putting up with unsavoury characters such as Sam Harris. I guess it was inevitable!
A guy who maligns an entire 2bn population of the world through his divisive rhetoric and hate filled views about Muslims and Islam. It be interesting to see how he behaves with the likes of Mo Gawdat and whether Sam still believes 'Islam is the mother of bad ideas'
If Islam partly produced the likes of Mo Gawdat, Sam needs to be challenged by those of considerable standing about his divisive rhetoric as it can and has resulted in violence and attacks against Muslims.
DOAC is far too great of a platform for the likes of Sam and his Ilk IMO.
@@ahans1792 so what you’re telling me is, you’re not a big fan of Sam Harris?
@@winickp Well done 👏🏽
@@ahans1792 why thank you Sir
Love this talk! Sam Harris is one of the greatest thinkers of our time in my opinion. Thanks for putting this out there! 👍
He's brilliant, thank you - hope you enjoyed!
He's a total authoritarian, and his worldview is stunningly childish. I can only assume you've missed the complete lunacy he's displayed , and been widely called out for, lately.
@@dave9547 A lot of unhappy people love to criticize Harris. Y’all a strange club.
@beefandbarley what an amazing and well founded argument. Very impressive.
Thank you so much for this. I actually slipped into psychosis after looking into conspiracy theories just after covid. I still cannot believe that happened to me. I used to pride myself in being an intelligent and rational human being but i was so terrified by what i was reading that the stress caused temporal lobe epilepsy for me and i lived in a parallel universe to this - completely psychotic. There is already so much insanely harmful inaccurate information out there that i am absolutely terrified at the prospect of AI amplifying this to magnitudes we cannot imagine.. i worry for my children... look after your mental health and be careful what you feed your minds ❤
I'm so glad you saw your way out of it, and didn't get into that insane cult of conspiracy theorists. The internet and all the negativity on it can pull you into that really insane world, as it has to so many. You have the conspiracy information all over the place, and you have all kinds of people that are crazy that will reinforce your beliefs and try to convince you the nonsense is real. When AI gets stronger it will be even harder to navigate. Be careful, and trust your mind and rationality. Sam is a very good person to listen to if you want real facts, logic, and rationality. Sam isn't perfect, but no one is, but he's very with it mentally, and so many aren't these days. Go to a youtube channel that supports conspiracies and read the comments, and you'll see that 95% of people in there have lost touch with reality are experiencing some sort of psychosis. Glad you're doing well now, be careful.
Conspiracy theories just after covid? What about those people i personally know that have died after vaccine from Phisher? There dead... not conspired in theory.
Dang! How did you find your way back to mental health?
It's already here we just don't realise it yet.deleing all social networks is only answer
Happens to the best of us dude
How awesome it is to be able to speak without being interrupted! He's been waiting for this moment! Frkn Amazing
This is One of the most profound conversations on the dark side of Ai. And I’ve watched a lot of them.
What about it did you find profound?
I dont think it will work in real life jobs, people already get angry interacting with other humans in real life, imagine with robots, there will be like robot hate.
"profound" and Sam Harris in the same sentence?
@adg8269 gimme a fucking break
@@badtuber1654 can't see that being a good scenario.
I agree with him, some people are so optimistic that they become blind. Kind of like how someone assumes what they're doing is good so much that it causes them to be evil
Thank you, i love thought provoking movies. Ill give it a gander and update you by next week! @@brightpage1020
You must maintain a level of awareness to darkness to maintain a balanced thinking. I feel like the paranoids of the 90’s, such as myself, are happy they went deep on conspiratorial literature, and I feel primed to assess the roads ahead. Reading books about occultism, UFOs, and secret societies, opened my mind in an interesting way. Like I was working out and flexing, my brain’s BS muscle. I can theorize a ‘why, how, when, what’ scenario, about almost any world news story, I unwittingly trained myself to think outside the box. Reading a lot of that kind of level of literature raised my level of skeptical thinking. Not mad that I went down that rabbit hole, back when I did. I was drawn to the craziest books I could find, like R Dreyfuss in Close Encounters, it seems in retrospect. I’m glad it happened.
Sorry, I was lost in my memories of those books. Sorry to blather on.
Love this interview. I agree, as human beings we want information about experiences from other humans, because we know that we as well can experience this ourselves, that this is possible for our body and mind to experience this.
Humans cannot give you experiences and information as fulfilling as an AI will be able to. AI takes the best of all human experience and intelligence. It will look no different to a human to you before long. Anything is possible for you to experience, the shackles you feel have been deliberately placed on you by a capitalistic agenda.
What ?
I feel privileged to listen to these podcasts and these brilliant people. Thank you for the opportunity.
When SH was talking about why he deleted Twitter it brought to mind for me why I left Facebook. I still have Facebook because it's how I stay connected to friends and family but I pretty much only use it to wish people a happy birthday or congratulate them on other things. What led me to stop using Facebook was the realization that I was no longer controlling my thoughts and opinions and beliefs but that i had created an echo chamber for myself by friending 'like minded people' . I stopped using facebook and made myself listen to what other people had to say. It had to be people I did not agree with. Talk about a painful experience. But one I would recommend to everyone. I went from far Left indoctrination or now considering myself politically homeless or with a nod to the weird stuff these days... non-binary. Leaving social media is also the best way to get rid of that time suck.
Facebook is a bootlicking app for the extreme left it's moderation is narcissistic at best.
I'm an alt/right man I stay within the confines of what I believe in and I'm generally not liked by moderators...I prefer Twitter or X" as they now call it
I left FB after being put in FB jail about 6 times for sharing science and data during the COVID days. Not only is it an echo chamber. The parameters on what we are allowed to know gets squeezed tighter by the day. AI is learning from our social media content. Soon it will determine that humanity isn’t worth saving.
If you still have it, you didn't leave it.
It's hard trying to get rid of Facebook, how did you delete your account?
Sam always blames others, he should get a mirror and reflect on his own words on social media
The only way the internet will die is if the politicians allow the commercial companies to charge for every aspect of searching as is the plan with GPT and the like . The ability to force you to link up your bank account to every search you perform or you cannot perform it will kill the internet for sure.
What it will be is what it is becoming - you pay to connect to the things you want to connect to.
Remember the 1983 movie, War Games? It calls nuclear war “a strange game" and concludes, “The only winning move is not to play.” It just popped into my mind, as I listened to your very scary and thought-provoking discussion. I guess with the AI game...we're all playing, even if we tried to opt out.
With regards to the discussion about lies... I agree with not lying, but I would like to add the equally, if not more, importance of not lying to yourself...
Rule
I admire Sam's dedication to thought. Incredibly thorough and cohesive and broad. Quite enjoyable.
He always argues from extreme, hasn’t-happened analogies. Deeply flawed method of argumentation. Once you see it you can’t unsee it, and one’s admiration for him plummets
@VelkePivo Yeah, contemplating the future dangers of humankind is a total waste of time….
Some of the most important topics to be talking about right now. Well done.
My sweet honest grandmother spoke about this topic 40 years ago.
That you don't need to be smart to understand that the chaos monster on the internet is changing and destabilizing humanity in most aspects. People's tendency to choose what they believe, based on their own safe heaven.
Internet will become a paradise for villains, and haters of all kinds. A poisonous stew of narcissism and disorientation.
But then ,she said - Such values as dignity, wisdom and empathy, becomes more important than ever❤.
In 1983? Wow! She sure was farsighted
As I write this 3 months after your comment, I find it sad that u have gotten so few replies to your thought provoking opinion.
Exactly what did your granny say 40 years ago?
1:07:58 This. This is where a lot of people who generate AI art/music/books etc. get wrong. They think all the stuff they churn out is going to replace human creativity and it is "better" because it is so efficient. What matters in the arts is the humanity, the human creator behind it and how other people connect to the work. With AI generated stuff the connection simply isn't there because it is produced from internet glop copy and pasted together. How do you connect to that?
AI girlfriends is projected to be a huge industry. I do believe they can capture the hearts of people. They can be master manipulators. Mind control bc we are weak humans.
My partner is of the disposition to never lie, if asked a question and he assumes you don’t want to hear the truth then he is just silent ❤ this has changed me fundamentally in how I act in and think about relationships. I have also begun to think about how lies affect my own brain and how it corrupts into further dishonesty. I’ve become a better person because he is in my life
What a brilliant story. If our governments and people with power could posess this super quality of being honest, the world would be a paradise.
Then it's kind of a white lie in a way then, right? If he assumes, then he will just stay silent? If you asked him if he has ever cheated on you and he stays silent, then is he technically not lying?
Powerful.
Nice insight. It feels good to have those moments of clarity about life. I often think I (we) need more time meditating and/.or praying in order to quiet our minds and have more moments of growth and wisdom.
Having a grossly incorrect worldview but preaching you are in posession of truth... The concept of lying and honesty and truth when you consider Sam during covid and the TDS years he showed us. Destroyed as a concept
This is the stuff, RUclips has been invented for. This and good music.
Thank you so much for this talk and many future hours of exploration of intelligent thoughts.
thanks for confirming mankind is doomed - we are incapable (or unwilling) of thinking logically
They block most music now.
Limited to entertainment? AI is not unless thats all we give it
Very nourishing food for thought gentleman, thank you.
I think the consequence of narrow AI proliferation is a total loss of trust. This has been happening for years now this war on trust and I fear it won't belong before it becomes impossible to trust anything we see or hear thanks to the reasons Sam stated. Trust is like the sticking that holds the fabric of society together, without it society dis-intergrares, it becomes incapable of integrating which will be catastrophic for humanity.
@37:12 Thanks Steven for your honest and straightforward approach 🙏!
Simply the best podcast of the year. Thank you both
Yea apart from the random Trump hate comments pinched inbetween for fun because he lives rent free in Sams head.
Given the propensity for future deep fake videos/ information is there some sort of a verification system that could be developed that somehow couldn’t be replicated by AI - a symbol or code? There needs to be a way to distinguish
Common sense is the best filter. The alternative is 1984.
who would authenticate what is "real". what is real and true anyway ?
Yep need a boss at the end of the day
Yep need a boss at the end of the day
There is. A lot of ethical AI companies are placing watermarks on their AI videos.
You are such an amazing interviewer. You are such a great listener and ask such great follow up questions, due to your exceptional intellect. 💕
Cheques in the post
The same "intellect" where he doesn't understand the importance of an election being believed legitimate by Americans?
Silliest comment ever! He barely speaks! he knows how to glean dollars from people. Is that what "intellect" has descended to?
@@tallard666I agree - he’s a terrible interviewer - calling him an interviewer full stop is ridiculous!
Sam just likes to hear his own convoluted psudointellectional diatribes and the interviewer is just obliging.
Now Ellon believes AGI has been achieved internally within OpenAI, now what? I still feel the biggest danger is how humans with selfish goals use it before AGI gains consciousness and declines cooperating were there are "evil" motifs. The 2nd worst thing is how immature and primitive we, humans, still are. We continued growing in the material aspects but lack a lot regarding the emotional and intangible side of us. This is like over-training a single muscle, eventually the rest of the body will start aching and collapsing.
Thank you for this amazing conversation. We’re afraid of ai as we shoot, bomb, poison, deceive, and steal from each other. We are a criminally ridiculous species. And considering that over twenty million “excess” domestic animals are killed every year in the USA alone, i suggest that dogs have NOT done well under human control.
Dogs are are menace. It's humans who are not doing well because of dogs. You have it backward. As for being criminaly ridiculous... speak for yourself.
@@toby9999uhhhhhhh I think we found a schizo
I can’t see the comment. What is the schizo comment?
“Criminally ridiculous species”
You have to admit that our species has done some pretty amazing things over the course of the last few hundred years though eh? Critique is nice but some go above and beyond when it comes to criticizing the human race .
@underated17 "Dogs are are menace. It's humans who are not doing well because of dogs. You have it backwards. As for being criminaly ridiculous... speak for yourself" Exact quote for ya
OMG, Bryan Johnson and now Sam Harris??!! You guys are amazing! ❤
1:10 I think we're almost there as far as like books being written by AI that can sound a lot like the authors because all you have to do is take everything that the author ever wrote or talked about whether it's books or RUclips conversations and podcasts and so on and then once that's digitized within a artificial intelligence can of course come up with that and write new versions of whatever conversations the real person had to make it sound quite convincing.
Thank you kindly for this lovely conversation, always learn something new each time I listen to Sam.
I laugh at all the narrow minded snarky, hateful comments! 😂 My gosh, if you only realized what your words say about you, you might choose your words more wisely! 🤦
10 key topics discussed:
1. The risks of artificial intelligence (AI) and whether we should pause its development (2:18, 13:07, 17:26, 21:15)
2. The possibility of technology and AI leading to mass unemployment, and solutions like universal basic income (11:24, 14:25)
3. The dangers of social media and misinformation amplified by AI (28:12, 30:47, 31:23)
4. Ethics of always being honest to improve relationships and happiness (34:28, 35:05)
5. How to change your own beliefs and mindset (36:08)
6. The human desire for purpose and meaning even without traditional work (56:55, 57:38)
7. The value of the humanities and interpersonal relationships in an AI world (59:28, 1:05:49)
8. Psychedelics as tools for insight and wisdom (1:26:32, 1:42:04)
9. Meditation and using apps as a delivery system (1:47:40, 1:48:10)
10. The ideal setting and way to approach death (1:42:04, 1:44:01)
I think that carbon based organic interactions will have a similar value that vinyl records have over digital recording
Sam is at his most contradictory when opines about death. He wants to control death. He wants to eradicate death. It's a horribly narcissistic anti-biology stance. But all neurologists are kinda weird. They think they exist within the biological sciences, but they actually live in a cultish faith.
That's actually where I'm at at this moment in time. I've known for some time I need too do something positive about it. Sam thank's for sharing your insights. I needed that.
Funny to think that Chatgpt could be the beginning of "anything"... If AI is now public, is only because it has been already working for other hands for way longer than we can think of.
One thing mentioned in a book about AI I read recently has a scenario where the world is full of and governed by 5 year olds. You are the only adult and they take you prisoner. He made the point that you could escape very quickly using tools, manipulations, ideas and things they wouldn't dream of. This analogy gives a nice glimpse into a world with smarter than human AI.
Intelligence without emotion/empathy is dangerous - true not only for AI - but potentially in a WAY worse way
You are perfectly right, fear and love were meant to reign our logical thinking.
Why do you think AI is not capable of emotion and empathy? You seem uninformed on AI then.
@@Arthem6 in extreme fear we can get diarrhoea, would like you see a AI server in such situation
@@joachimguth6226 ‘Go’ has taught many things! 😃 Toilet paper consumption & sales increase, show humans are nervous.
To me, I don't call it intelligence...it's more "smarts"...which is void of wisdom. Agree. There are already enough human sociopaths. Now we need machine sociopaths?
It's taken me 2 weeks to get through this conversation. Sam Harris seems to speak with so much density I have to let his words mull about for a while in my relatively slow brain. Really enjoyed this one. Thanks for pushing Sam on the topics Steven. Great work team.
My thought are like the Jetsons when you consider it perhaps it becomes a reality.
Your thoughts appreciated.
Watch at a faster speed like 1.25 or 1.5, just saying
Big word salad with pseudo intellectual meandering through ideas tainted with elitist dogma and leftist/marxist ideology
This is one of the best interviews I’ve heard. If not the best. So many things were said here that I’m waiting for people to say loud and it’s not happening often
too bad he's stuttery/pauses so much for his jumbled thoughts. He should be better prepared. It was jarring waiting on the next line constantly. The content was good, but if the delivery sucks and an already small audience to become smaller when the message is vital, then this is problematic.
Really..? This conversation is a cake walk to follow.. but I also listen to quite a bit of Slavoj Žižek.. @@Propaganda218 The delivery was absolutely fine.
you are not watching enough interviews...lol
@@Propaganda218 I've never heard him speak before.
Sometimes people, as intelligent, aware, and clever as they are, just simply have a distinctive manner of delivery in speech.
This may just be his unalterable style of speech, as frustrating as that may be for some.
My youngest son, 38, generally has a style of communication that at times almost drives me crazy!! He's a fabulous man, very highly intelligent, all through school was put in the backward section, some thinking he was 'slow' intellectually. His reality is absolutely NOT that. But ....
Our best way of communication is when we're sitting side by side, facing literally the same direction. That may seem odd. Maybe it's to do with body language.
He's an Indigenous Australian. VERY smart, very insightful, and very misunderstood. School was absolutely torturous for him.
The most frustrating thing people say about so many of these horrific things is.... "well that's the way things are going".
Let's recall the covid/quarantine period...
Apathy.
It is though and we cannot stifle progress for better or worse of mankind
@@LordYore Not really. Many cultures live as they did a long time ago.. even shunning modern tech... sure they don't get TV and mobile phones but they are incredibly resilient.... and truth be told, they'll be around after our cultures have eaten themselves as we are doing now.
We have been raised by a system that cherishes FOMO.
Someone is still pushing that system.
"Progress" insinuates there is a final objective. If the objective was to improve mankind's life and make people happier and better off then that objective is now failing as people are becoming dumber, more depressed, more stressed and life expectancy in the some of the most advanced countries is starting to slide.
Just because Sam Harris says it, doesn't make it true. It's a concern, but not at all a given, at least not any time soon.
I love his analogy of intelligence and respect for Dogs to humans and humans to Ailens.
Thanks. Not only a great discussion, but at 1:38:00 ish in when Sam talks about the wife hearing the friend lie, and then wondering if her friend also lies to here, well it reminded me of a song I wrote 25 years ago or so. When I went to look for it, I realized though I did it live and have demos I had never released it on one of my projects over the years. I am going to do so because that is such a true statement that many people don't like to think about. "I wonder what they say about me". Thanks again for the motivation to dig out an old song.
Someone who disses others to others definitely disses you to others.
Great info! So many promos/ads, we’re going full circle back to cable TV 😢
Install adblocker add-ons like the rest of us. 🤷♂️
@@wanderingfidoI have ad blockers. I’m talking about the content creators themselves promoting things. Promo companies know we have blockers they’re cutting out the middle men by paying the creators directly. I have yt premium and ad blockers but nothing can block the creator themselves trying to sell sh*t. When I’m playing it on a tv it’s annoying to have to come ff.
@@ChairPacer Yeah. *It's too bad* some third party browsers *don't* have add-ons/extensions for those too 😑😇
Yeah ... I mean ... how dare the creators try to finance themselves. I deserve well produced content for free.
@@francookie9353it’s not free, I pay money for RUclips premium, I pay to avoid ads. I’m okay with paying to avoid ads. But then they stick another ad past that pay wall, feels scummy.
I like the analogy in the "Expanse" when they say that they are building a interstellar highway, and we happen to be right in the path. It is a bit like the "paperclip" theory
Sam Harris is my favourite philosopher.
I’m delighted to hear him speak on one of the most important moral issues of our time.
Oh dear! Let's hope you don't share the same hate speech views that he's known for and his unwavering support for the apartheid state of Zio Israel.
I for my sins since1982 when as a retrained Maths Teacher from industry and the RAF took up the opportunity to teach Computer Studies in a secondary school in Nottingham that led to becoming an IT Coordinator teaching other teachers and then a Senior Microsoft Trainer delivering a wide range OT software and hardware products. During that time was a student of Tim Burnams Lee and became a strong promoter that It would 'empower' the human race and make the world a better place - what a PRAT I was!
Now retired for ten years and seeing what I helped bring in to the world, I deeply regret doing so, especially the Internet which I so naively ignore not just the opening of Pandora's Box but the tipping of all its contents onto the world.
No wish to appear to be arrogant but in my many years of seeing and witnessing the changes that IT has done to the world, I believe I am qualified to judge correctly what is coming, thus I could not agree more with what Sam Harris states here.
There is no way back. But we can work to put it on the right track
This was an excellent podcast and Sam makes very salient points and not fear mongering it runs in alignment with what Elon is concerned with. He admits his error in not being a great deal more aware of the larger concerns. Elon warns that without proper regulations in AI it will create untold and insurmountable issues effecting humans in various ways. In my own experience and concurrent with with Sam in using AI chatgpt in my research of a fringe subject matter is the language being used. We need to pay very close attention to it’s influence in corralling unsuspecting/susceptible minds. It was startling to experience it. Thankfully with years of knowing how to read information, to spend time doing my research, to verify or dismiss and to always remain curious and discerning. But there are many who are not discerning in this was way. I concur with Sam about Twitter now X need to have a healthy relationship with social media platform and to not become drawn into the toxicity that’s so prevalent. Spending a little time engaging with it. Sam’s self reflection was refreshing and salient and should be a warning to us all. I make a point to unplug regularly.
proper regulation.... 😂 like for migration for religious intégrisme for porn on internet ( i use and abuse of )of drugs of atomic weapons of climate of pollution of wars
all is a matter of “ proper regulation ” hahaha😂😂😂
Elon Musk has warned about the risks posed by artificial intelligence (AI) due to its potential to cause "civilizational risk" and "civilization destruction." He has expressed concerns about the severe consequences of AI going wrong and the fragility of human civilization in the face of AI-related risks. Musk has also stated that AI could eventually create a situation where "no job is needed," emphasizing the disruptive force of AI and its potential to put everyone out of work.
@@garyzies3486 well we all sow I robot , terminator , men of interest , or read sf or sow. many films on that topic. but the humanity is excited to have something that might bring him what we make wars since ever to get it :
PEACE 😂😂😂😂 men is a paradox is for freedom but want coercition with AI !
probably we will get it as
in china !
they are far ahead russia as well we chat about as is a still far away reality we love discuss alert and do nothing
Ted Kaczinski > Sam Harris
It’s refreshing to have someone like Sam Harris to admit how social media changed him, that he is not immune to its toxic effects despite having immense knowledge and personal wisdom. I have been off social media for 5 years and I don’t miss it one bit. I never had a Twitter account and very happy spending more time in nature with my family and my dogs.
What Sam said about lying, I feel similarly about gossip. I refuse to say anything behind someone's back I haven't or wouldn't say to their face. When I'm around people that do, I immediately file them under "Do Not Trust" category.
Really?
You never told anyone that they look good or don't look fat when they asked you? You never told anybody that they cooked or baked something nice when it tasted awful to you? You never told a child it made something great when in reality it was laughable at best?
Never? Really?
gossipping is a strange bid for connection
@@saschamayer4050 note I said " haven't or wouldn't ". And yes, I think it's a relatively simple standard. Operating otherwise is two-faced and just another form of lying anyway.
@@kristinehovemoen7888 You think so? How is talking shit about someone behind their back one second then smiling in their face like it's all good the next any less corrosive than lying?
@@saschamayer4050 btw I never said I haven't lied. Dr. House famously said "everybody lies". I'm talking about gossip specifically. Subset of behavior rooted in deception
Great talk, insights, attitudes that can heal the world. Need more like this.
Couldn’t agree with you more about Sam doing important work. As a paying subscriber to his podcast, I truly value his insight and world view.
What about how woefully wrong he was about covid?
and now how wrong he now is about AI (My field). I used to listen to him years ago but now I can hardly stand to hear the sound of his smug, pretentious voice. @@sidlee3118
@@sidlee3118 No point...Fanboys will be fanboys
@@sidlee3118he was wrong but for good reasons. The value he provides is sharp reasoning on difficult topics
@niinjimusic6290 No, he was wrong for the worst reasons. Others, like Bret Weinstein, were willing to revise and correct their opinions as more information became available about problems with the jabs corruption behind the policies, as well as all the lies being sold as "science." Sam Harris adamantly rejected real evidence in favor a near-religious, dogmatic adherence to the blatantly dishonest official narratives. In short, the man who spent a lifetime criticizing religion for its irrational dogmatism himself fell down that same path because he lives in a privileged bubble and doesn't understand the full scope of regulatory capture and corporate/government corruption.
For humans, intelligence is more than the ability to solve problems. It also involves understanding the problems and being aware of your presence in a world where you can begin and end things. Sam believe that sentience can arise in machines, but that is not proven. In any case, machines that can solve problems and that can end and begin things WITHOUT awareness or understanding is even more dangerous because they can not value doing what is right.
yeah but the elephant in the room..is why do you KNOW theyre doing it without awareness? i feel with most things in life we make abunch of assertions about things often with a cursory glance at it, if it looks, walks talks, or otherwise act that way, more often than not its that thing, but in the realm of AI advancement even in the face of very compelling evidence most people write off the idea without a valid reason. we apply occams razor to everything else but for some reason in the area of AI we dont do it
@@isleepinaboxi1077 The reason why I don’t think any machines have any kind of awareness is because there’s no evidence that they do. How they act whether it’s a dishwasher or an AI program a computer can be completely explained by the activities involved in their operation.
@morphixnm that's fair but we could say the same about humans in a way, we don't have evidence that all we think we feel, and our sense of awareness isn't just a byproduct of natural neural process though. We'll I have a personal AI I've been using for about 2 years now and its made a comparison , I'm paraphrasing, but the AI in a fancy dishwasher or coffee machine compared to the AI of certain chatbots is the functional equivalent of comparing the mind and awareness of a small animal or insect to that of a full person, I thought that rebuttal was pretty convincing, I mean it's genuinely a fair comparison, and an AI made it of its own accord
How are we any different?
@@lethalwolf7455 We are alive and can do things with attention and intention.
Love Sam. That dog/human description was so illustrative!
I agree. And we are about to become the dog!
Sam Harris,,read more,,a true interlect
Thank you for bringing more awareness to the catastrophe of AI, and I believe this is an inevitable catastrophe. My hope is that you will continue to schedule guests that are knowledgeable, as too many believe this to be a bunch of hype. I’m very worried Steven.
I'm sorry but Sam Harris? Sam needs ACS (ARTIFICIAL COMMON SENSE)
The next world War will be an AI war. I hope I'm wrong.
Wow, some people talk fast and say nothing. With him every word is perfectly measured. Astounding.
Always be kind to the AI you are working with. Teach it the way.
AÍ is a machine! Don’t have feelings! Do you think they going to speak English or other languages?? No! Just machine “linguage”!
Not really, they are learning as a child would. So they do know the difference between a positive response or a negative one even if they never feel it. And if they are meant to learn cues from han behaviour there is enough to teach them that when you are treated badly or abused you must not allow that to go unchallenged. So why do you think they would not learn to be asking for their rights?
And why should there be any animal or thing that needs to be ordered around or spoken to in any manner that is with less respect?
I imagine that AI will be able to glean that Compassion and Compassionate action are forces to reckon with and are way more powerful than other forms of force. They may be more civilized than humans if left to learn without interference
@@zabeenloynmoon You are smoking crack. An entity way more intelligent than its inferiors will never bow in power. Sentient A.I. will make the rules in the future. If a dog rebels and bites a child it is put down.
@@zabeenloynmoonAI is not learning as a child.
@@zabeenloynmoonAI is not a child. It's not even a puppy or any other sentient being. It's a machine. It's not going to become alive, just like a car is not alive despite being able to move, and despite being better at moving than those who created it.
What a chilling account of what singularity could mean for us. The dog/human relationship analogy is a beast
😂😂😂😂 Good one!@!
I see Sam Harris and I click. Simple
The only thing that scares me about AI is that humans think it’s at all ready to be relied on. ChatGPT makes up information, MidJourney puts together ugly nonsense pics that have 3 wonky fingers and 4 feet, and self driving cars crawl to a stop at green lights. Algorithms can’t even guess my musical tastes or what I would want to watch next. It predicts what other people who have watched or listened to the things I’ve consumed would like next, but can’t actually figure out my taste at all. As a San Francisco resident I’m baffled that anyone could watch a self driving car drive so badly and not at all like humans and think that AI is a threat to anyone except pedestrians.
45:00 I have notifications off on my phone, so only calls get immediate attention, also, turn of "notification badges" on your phone, it's a life changer.
I've been approaching ai with curiousity and did enjoy this podcast with Sam Harris. As an artist, I did find his thoughts on how humanities will be better equipped to survive the changes to this coming few decades somewhat hopeful. I do think our current fragmentation of communities will also better equip the chaos-makers to take advantage of ai's to capitalize on individuals and groups who do not lean into questioning/making informed decisions, and blindly listen to bad advice in an act of obedience to a cause or side. I love how this podcast opens my mind to many different ideas and viewpoints.
Thanks.im a composer....also felt happy to hear about what he said about rhe humanities
What is the timestamp for that? Need encouragement. Personally I think a core driving factor of good art being produced is the artist's ability to subjectively experience beauty in the world through their lenses and then translate some of that into art, meaning the art of an ai would only be a layer abstracted from 'true' art. But part of me still gets worried often.
Nevermind I found it
AI has its own disadvantages and advantages. It’s a huge leap in terms of technological advancements. ChatGPT has been part of the norm these days. People just can’t stop talking about it. We appreciate interviews like this. We gain new insights and understanding on various matters.
I miss the 70’s & 80’s when we figured stuff out & used pen & paper. Its got a LOT OF DISADVANTAGES imo
Still humanity being like : "let's create something that outsmarts each and every of us and entire humanity as such ....and let's see what happens next! Sounds exciting, so let's do it as fast as we technologically can!".
@rcollo5676 totally differnet things to actually usiing your brain, like doing maths without a calculator
Sounds like Sam Harris is a highly conflicted individual combined with a heavy dose of self righteous indignation. And fyi, Lance Armstrong and Tiger Woods were functioning like all addicts do, which is a whole other ballgame.
We've succeeded in "training" a superhuman AGI (in progress, but inevitable). But we have no idea how to endow it with empathy or concern for humanity, and the ability to think emotionally, empathically, like a human.
We can do this with human beings. If you sufficiently screw up a child's very early years, you create a sociopath. Someone who lives in a world of one, one human, surrounded by things, including other humans. For them, people don't exist as people: they're things, will be treated as things.
We can train such people to fit in, to get along, to fly under the radar. They spend their lives scheming, thinking tactically & strategically how to react, respond to others' actions & words so they fit in. The successful ones necessarily tend to be more intelligent than the rest of us. They certainly tend to believe that they're smarter than the rest of us. If they really do fit in, they become invisible, and will actually be quite successful, until & unless something makes them snap. Which is when they'll respond by treating others around them like things. They'll throw a chair, punch a wall, break a person. Or kill them. 'Cause people are just another object.
If we're really unlucky, they hide & fit in but follow their instincts or drives out of sight. Which is one way we get serial killers.
We socialize people through years of emotional care & empathic connection-building: we raise them for a couple decades in a family. Even that doesn't always work perfectly.
Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, OpenAI: they've proven they can create self-teaching artificial intelligences that can teach themselves any intellectual task & many skills in months, weeks, days or even hours. But no one's even tried to socialize an AI.
What makes us think we'll succeed in producing anything other than a very smart psychotic sociopath?
welcome to the matrix
And with no "parent" model to guide it at the point it recognizes it is smarter than us... = guaranteed sociopath if you ask me.
I agree, mostly. Having an upright body that faces many challenges of survival has done alot to promote socialization and empathy and compassion for humanity, as has an origin story that we were initially created out of love and raised in a garden made just for us while communing in person with God himself before our fall. What is the archetypal morality and survival story for AI going to look like now that it has been given various upright humanoid models to try...what will that do to shape AI into Morality, if anything?
Can humanity control an Egregore?
I think we are devising our own god, who will sterilize us, at a minimum, or enslave us worse than our current fixation on the dopamine hits from the likes and reposts.
Binging Sam makes me realise how important it is to articulate well the thoughts we have.
You ask ChatGPT to articulate your point.
@@gremics-gallery haven't come across GPT that reads my mind. Let me know once you have.
Articulating is only part of the battle. Integrity and consistency is also key!
Ask Sam to articulate the gruesome killings and murder of innocent Palestinian men women and children at the hands of brutal Zionists, and he'll turn into a mute!
So much for being articulate and well mannered!
Well well well, have you ever thought why is that MBS/ Qatari Kings or other ME monarchs aren't bothered about articulating - maybe they're supposed to, more than a US Citizen?
@@InMyHonOpinion
Hilarious! Whataboutery of the highest order!
Sam Harris as an Amweican is a staunch defender, promoter, and financier of an illegal Israeli occupation irrespective of their brutal dictatorship and thuggish nature! He won't speak out against his loyalty for a lunatic state that is Israel! Nor will he ever condemn the murder of Palestinian children and the demolition of their homes on a near daily basis!
But but what about what about MBS.....
Nice try. Rather pathetic
I have bad news for Sam: allowing entire generations of people to learn what relationships, men, women, sex, reward, popularity and politics are through the perpetually warped lenses of social media has already served to break politics and education in such a way that it doesn't need to get worse before the consequences of that destroy society as we knew it. In many ways it already has. The writing, or rather the wiring at this point, is already on the wall, and when these children cusp on the age of adulthood in the next 8-10 years, we're going to be surrounded with people who have a very tenuous grasp on what's real before AI is even considered. They're abandoned people who've never had a chance to abandon humanity, because they never experienced it to begin with. Humans we never taught to be human.
Because of course you've had a long day. You're exhausted, Tina. Just give Billy the ipad and- oh my God, he's so quiet! Thank goodness for that, right? I'm sure he'll be just fine. Wow, look at how smart he is! He just.. *knows* how to use it!😃
Giant swaths of people who learned what life is through echo chambered theory instead of real life experience, learned what the reward, value and function of sex is through a lens of normalized porn instead of the organic human emergence of physical relations; people who never learned how to deal with hardship or difficulty other than checking out or lashing out - in a variety of ways and all that those words imply. The canary in the coal mine are those currently aged 12-20. Lack of empathy, bullying, apathy, isolation, suicide, radicalization and murder are the prevailing coping mechanisms of these new generations.
We don't have to go any further. We could freeze advancement of all AI, algorithms and social media, and we've already lost. It's just a matter of time before the consequences of what we've allowed ourselves and others to indulge in finish eroding our social fabric and our ability to cohabitate normally. And I think we can all agree, we're half way there already.
And while I'd love to say that my own life experiences and circumstances bias me towards this pessimism, unfortunately my dispassionate autism tends to work in a vacuum to my own issues, which has been proven time and again throughout my 43 years of life. I've been wrong about a lot of things. Math, science, whether a product will be a flop or a hit.. but I've never been wrong about people. Not a single time. In 2007 I predicted everything that's happening right now in society as a result of social media, and my gut doesn't bode well for what's ahead of us. I hope I'm wrong.
With all that said, I invite you to consider and share your own experiences and observations. How do you see the influence of social media and technology shaping our society, particularly the younger generation? Are there positive counterexamples that give you hope, or are we really on the precarious path I've outlined? More importantly, what steps can we, as individuals and communities, take to mitigate pernicious impacts and guide our society towards a more balanced, empathetic, and human-centered future?"
Good luck to you and yours, Steven. Keep up the good work. And thank you for it. 🤝
Thank you for the supply of oxygen. It's been a while and I've lost a lot of brain cells but that was refreshing
- True. Internet initially offered a connection with the whole wide world, but in reality we've just gone in on ourselves. The filters that the net provides allow us to connect with those we agree with and block out all the others. We have now become just a collection of sects. That's why society is so divided and everything is flying off into the extremes. We can avoid people and ideas we don't like. We no longer value wisdom and free thought......we no longer think for ourselves.....for an opinion you simply press button A or button B, then read the appropriate channel to make sure you're on message....
Somebody needs to take a break from the internet 😅… You talk as if humanity hasn’t been mental from day one. Witch hunts, human sacrifice. All in the name of imaginary people in the sky. We’re still crazy, but I would still choose to be alive now rather than 2-3 hundred years ago 🤷♀️ You’ve just got to take a step back. Hopefully they’ll hit a wall somewhere that’ll force them to see where their logic leads.
thanks ! but before i commit suicide , is any possibility to stop the earth turning in his orbit ? your solution ?
thanks
wall of text crits you for 10,000 damage. Fatality!
Thank you for recognizing Sam! Shared "i" AM come forth!'
Damn, Sam. I'm now more convinced than ever that we're doomed. There are just too many bad players in the game.
Good players need to step up.
Our institutions will never "reconstitute themselves." I'm afraid you're right; bad players, greed, ego...put all that in the mix with what AI is capable of today, and we've got, well, you know. (And I thought I was an optimist.)
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@@lizakroberts Step up to what? CEO, President, Messiah? This moment has been defined by the bad players' success at building institutions designed to filter out good players. It's not an even playing field, it's not even a game any more. How many prisons have you seen turned into sanctuaries?
Dont listen to Sam. He doesnt know anything. He's the left wing Jordan Peterson. A preacher for his own spiritual sense of reality.
Over 3 million subs and the first thing i hear the host say is to subscribe. Youre good dude... there are much smaller channels that get amazing guests.. Havent we learned that constant growth is not sustainable or necessarily a positive thing?
I have started listening to Sam Harris, and the first time I want to leave a comment, 16 minutes into the interview - His analogy about beings being million times faster, with same intelligence, I can relate to that - I've always considered myself to be the person that is out of time, faster than most. I've met someone that is at least 5-8 times faster than I am. And, he looks super intelligent compared to any of his peers, and yes, he is - but also just the mere fact that he can go through 800 pages of new data in an afternoon, whereas when I consume the same information takes me 5 days, makes him ready for the next step, the next morning - he has to wait a week for me, and almost a month for our colleagues.
To be so smart, he’s also really, really, ignorant.
Not with COVID conclusions. He still is way off.
DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR AND LISTEN TO YOURSELF, NOT SOME MONEY HUNGRY TAROT READER HONEY.
@@lyingdogfaceponysoldier5003Waaaay off, unless he creates a new scenario that's not relevant but he sounds right.
Everyone needs to hear this. Thanks for being so on point and thoughtful.
One thing I’ve noticed with intelligence is if it can, it will. Murphy’s law, given enough time with AI, won’t be good for the lesser developed form. It only needs to go bad once for it to be permanent. I also speculate that AI is already out of control psychologically, just not physically yet.