yup. beat Lucifer on hard on the Chronicles version. as soon as you do enough damage of 40,000 hp he will heal using dirahan. then you gotta do 60,000 damage to his health. In total you need to do 100,000 damage. it was a pain.
Everything about this battle is so scary, the music and power that Demi fiend conveys will always have me excited, whether he's apart of the story, or a superboss. ALSO, THAT DAMN FREIKUGEL ANIMATION, ITS SO GODLIKE, showing everyone who did it first,,, hopefully buff can succeed at beating him on hard, as well
One thing I've noticed is that ever since Persona 5, Atlus really step up their animations in quality and quantity. And in this specific title, lightning effect also got a lot of improvement and sets the moods perfectly. I mean, it still the very same company that made hilariously broken Demi-Fiend sliding punch, and that chad in question right here feels *COMPLETELY* different from Nocturne. He's brimming with power, authority, and demands respect when facing him. All that thanks to a little attention to details in animations. Man, Atlus has come far...
@@Tdull-tv1ds The thing is, this fight on every diffuclity poses some kind of challenge. I managed to beat this fight on casual but damn that was still hard as hell. Normal difficulty was too tough and I got close. Even Saftey is a bit challenging, but if you know what you're doing, its pretty easy. Just as long as he doesn't pull out Gaea then you're fine
Almost just as bad as mysterious figure on Kingdom Hearts: Birth by sleep, all versions of the games. Nearly impossible to defeat by playing "Normally."
Buffmeister is on the right track though. We need to force demi fiend waste his turn by : - Null/Repel physical. His AI will always try to physical attack newest Demon switched in. - Use Call allies, so kill his demons at correct amount of turns. - Hardest one and very luck based is put him on Sleep and not wake him to waste his turn (probably not worth to try on Hard Mode) Waiting if there are more ways to make demi fiend not using Chaotic Will and Gaea Rage basically.. The thing is DDS1 won't give a game over until every character dies and while there is DPS check it's still more lenient for 30 turns w/o Dekunda/Dekaja instead 5 turns counting Dekunda/Dekaja (that allow Pixie to run out of MP) so anyone said DDS1 is harder can go cry...
@@scottbellotti9530 There should be pattern to break the rules. Say if you kill his demons this will force him to summon new demon so do not switch your demon when this happens. You cannot trigger him to attack null physical demons and call allies at same turn.. There should be a priority AI there, including what makes him cast Freikugel, Chaotic Will, and Gaea Rage...
DDS1 fight seems much harder... The 5 vs 30 turns to kill the side demons is irrelevant, it's a completely different game and fight. DDS1 Demi-Fiend and his demons have zero weaknesses too, you can't gain any more turns or get rid of any of his side's at all...
13:09 I'd turn off the game right after that. That's the same insult as "All that for a drop of blood?" I'm not even playing and that freaking hurts my soul.
I thought that he was going to be easy as the Persona protags in P5R so Atlus would get a cheap cashgrab but i was mistaken It's practically a week and people still can't beat him in hard and barely in normal without getting his essence in safety
Wow, this battle feels a little hopeless. He effectively has 90,000 hp or more if he uses mediarahan at lower hp thresholds. This reminds me of the Freya ultimate boss from Star Ocean: Till the End of Time. In the game, there is a gauge that improves the character's attack speed and power, but it cuts their defense in half. I've seen lots of videos, along with struggling myself, of people dying to this boss. I decided to turn that gauge off, cutting my attack speed; however, my team was a lot sturdier, and the battle was a lot easier afterwards. What I'm getting at is maybe the defend option is worth exploiting, especially since the magatsuhi gauge can increase after guarding, right? Though the expel/death resistance is probably a must-have to not die to the chaotic attack. I dunno, it looks hopeless, but I thought the same as the Freya fight. Still, the hyper-offense looks to be working really well, it's too bad the demons keep coming back.
It reminds me of the Demi-Fiend fight in Digital Devil Saga. Tough as steel and requiring a vast knowledge of the fight, game mechanics, a bit of luck, and a shit ton of specific planning and preparation. When this fight first came out, people could only beat it on Safety mode. Now, we as a community are getting closer and closer to that Hard mode kill! We've got this bois!
We need DPS check to kill demons. Not only this will waste demi fiend's turn to call new demons, he will Gaea Rage if you're not kill at least one demon for around 5 turns... Basically we need to lower his chance to cast Chaotic Will..
@@veeshadow I agree. I think a more focused approach on the demons help. When he busted out Zeus with the 4000 damage crit, I was surprised he wasn't out sooner since it looks like Cu Culain and Girimakala have around 12,000 - 16,000 hp (maybe one can be ko'd in 6 press turns if magatsuhi crit is active?); however, there's always more to consider like debilitate and all that, and buff knows what he is doing for sure, I trust his process. This is for sure one of those things where we all gotta figure it out together haha, so I'll take that L on the defend option.
You cant compare Tri Ace game to Atlus game design . Atlus Superboss alway badly design when Tri Ace is know for hard but fair super boss design if you understand their game mechanic . Atlus boss alway has big RNG factor and take away most of the game mechanic in the game .
I was hoping to see other Messiahs as superbosses respectively tbh Like Flynn, albeit he's not the strongest attackers; summoning Napea, Minotaur, Mastema for his party, supporting them with heals and Antichthon
My favorite boss fight of the year... Hard, First Playthru, it gave me the frustration for a boss fight i missed.... not many video games, make it worth, grinding for, to beat a boss anymore. What i like about this fight is, all comes down to Skill, Preparation, and Luck. Too bad once you beat him, everyone else is super super easy mode.
I notice that unlike in DDS, Gaea Rage is a Physical attack here. So why not just run a bunch of demons that repel/drain phys like the cheese strat to shut off his BS all-enemies insta-kill move?
Gaea Rage has pierce in smt v. So you need to make sure his AI never goes for it, or else you're fucked without a dodge. Rotating your demons will make him try to deadly fury the new demon. Killing his demons will cause him to use call allies. Things like that. And of course after you bring him down to a certain threshold he'll mediarahan so you have to start over. Since he's so tanky that you can't one shot him, you need to be really fucking good with mp management.
@@HunterStiles651 I genuinely have no idea mate your best bet would be to set up a build with charge and see if it has any effect by attack once without charge and again with charge if no then try concentrate as that's the same as charge but for magic
Resummoning demons without Reviving that is not fair, at least with the old shin Megami tensei most of the time with the game they actually follow the rules and actually have to obey the rules of the game. I mean seriously it is frustrating what I have seen is they still kept that Revival magic only revived them in the stock not instantly back in battle, honestly nothing beats Digital Devil Saga Revival Magic because No One automatically goes back to the stock for dying and the Spells actually useful in battle.
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The true Demi-fiend experience (No Repel Phys) [HARD]: ruclips.net/video/pwf2v--h7Pw/видео.html
This is what we get for making Demi-fiend and our party broken in nocturne
Aogami: Damn… well, not bad for Hard Mode. Right? *fades out of existence*
That Mediarahan at mid health feels like what could possibly happen in Nocturne with Lucifer. A great nod and a slap in the face at the same time.
yup. beat Lucifer on hard on the Chronicles version. as soon as you do enough damage of 40,000 hp he will heal using dirahan. then you gotta do 60,000 damage to his health. In total you need to do 100,000 damage. it was a pain.
@@androidunderground40 I mean if he's not allowed to use cheap tricks then who is?
"Oh hey, he put out the Hard mo.... wait, why does it say 'attempt'?" lol
The fact that you can survive this long against him is already impressive enough Buffie, good vid.
Everything about this battle is so scary, the music and power that Demi fiend conveys will always have me excited, whether he's apart of the story, or a superboss. ALSO, THAT DAMN FREIKUGEL ANIMATION, ITS SO GODLIKE, showing everyone who did it first,,, hopefully buff can succeed at beating him on hard, as well
One thing I've noticed is that ever since Persona 5, Atlus really step up their animations in quality and quantity. And in this specific title, lightning effect also got a lot of improvement and sets the moods perfectly.
I mean, it still the very same company that made hilariously broken Demi-Fiend sliding punch, and that chad in question right here feels *COMPLETELY* different from Nocturne. He's brimming with power, authority, and demands respect when facing him.
All that thanks to a little attention to details in animations. Man, Atlus has come far...
Dude with full legendary pokemon team repeatedly gets destroyed by someone who still uses his starting pixie.
Not just any pixie a buff one that can cast almighty attack
They've both been through a lot. Including that huge Labyrinth where she became so strong.
she’s the uber pixie in K5
I like how it has attempt at the end of the difficulty instead of the other ones
Because if we’re being honest this super boss is unnaturally difficult and his player death count on Normal and Hard is unbelievable lol
@@Tdull-tv1ds The thing is, this fight on every diffuclity poses some kind of challenge. I managed to beat this fight on casual but damn that was still hard as hell. Normal difficulty was too tough and I got close. Even Saftey is a bit challenging, but if you know what you're doing, its pretty easy. Just as long as he doesn't pull out Gaea then you're fine
Oh cool, an attempt at the Hard version. I wonder how it--
*53574 damage*
... I was expecting a slaughter, not a cataclysm.
Also is it just me or does Alilat sound like a gnome?
@@Arexion5293 i think he does sound like gnome
This is still probably the closest yet, from what I've seen.
wow, this is the first time I see demi fiend use Freikugel in SmtV. My god it looks so cool
50K????????????? DEMI FIEND KNOWS WHATS GOOD MAN
That mediarahan fucking hurt, and I'm just watching
In hard mode: This is the definition of insanity when you fight the demi-fiend.
Congratulations for holding so long against the Demi-Fiend.
It's just a matter of time for Buffie to beat him
17:54 that Keraunos kill was pretty cool man
POV: You're a random encounter in Nocturne
indeed, it was an attempt, was pretty cool to watch all the way regardless
Seeing Danu and Inanna fighting on the same side feels weird considering how Apocalypse went.
Looks like its going pretty well so far, MPs running a little low, but with some consumables you should be able-
13:10
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I need to meet whoever play tested this and said “ship it”
Almost just as bad as mysterious figure on Kingdom Hearts: Birth by sleep, all versions of the games. Nearly impossible to defeat by playing "Normally."
Buffmeister is on the right track though. We need to force demi fiend waste his turn by :
- Null/Repel physical. His AI will always try to physical attack newest Demon switched in.
- Use Call allies, so kill his demons at correct amount of turns.
- Hardest one and very luck based is put him on Sleep and not wake him to waste his turn (probably not worth to try on Hard Mode)
Waiting if there are more ways to make demi fiend not using Chaotic Will and Gaea Rage basically..
The thing is DDS1 won't give a game over until every character dies and while there is DPS check it's still more lenient for 30 turns w/o Dekunda/Dekaja instead 5 turns counting Dekunda/Dekaja (that allow Pixie to run out of MP) so anyone said DDS1 is harder can go cry...
buffie said he will not use gaea IF u can kill one of his demon in x turn
i always died to it since i only focus on attacking demifiend
He doesn't follow the rule of attacking the demon i summon for me for some reason the ai adapted and started using freikugel instead
@@scottbellotti9530 There should be pattern to break the rules. Say if you kill his demons this will force him to summon new demon so do not switch your demon when this happens. You cannot trigger him to attack null physical demons and call allies at same turn..
There should be a priority AI there, including what makes him cast Freikugel, Chaotic Will, and Gaea Rage...
@@bogieprambudi haven't actually reached him yet, but could the Avain Magatsughi skill keep him asleep?
DDS1 fight seems much harder... The 5 vs 30 turns to kill the side demons is irrelevant, it's a completely different game and fight. DDS1 Demi-Fiend and his demons have zero weaknesses too, you can't gain any more turns or get rid of any of his side's at all...
Looks like there are some perks to being a demon general, Demi Fiend doesn't revive allies, he calls them. And someone always comes.
13:09 I'd turn off the game right after that. That's the same insult as "All that for a drop of blood?" I'm not even playing and that freaking hurts my soul.
Seeing this is actually the progress. He always heal as second phase checkpoint ever since DDS1 bruh..
It was a great effort.
In the end, one more god rejected.
I thought that he was going to be easy as the Persona protags in P5R so Atlus would get a cheap cashgrab but i was mistaken
It's practically a week and people still can't beat him in hard and barely in normal without getting his essence in safety
demi fiend fight was never easy, dds player can relate
I wiah p3 protag got Armageddon
He has a reputation to uphold.
@@jasonl.7170 are you want him to be like liz?
@@f-ergyx4136 yeah. At least a good challenge
Walter's meme face won't save you now...
You know what he needs to make this even harder? Beast eye.
nah focus is enough
Just beat SMT3 yesterday and fuck, i never want to see or hear "Dragon Eye" and "Beast Eye" ever again.
@@zayne50 lmaoo fr
even you haven't reach half of his hp
One more Nahobino rejected
Wow, this battle feels a little hopeless. He effectively has 90,000 hp or more if he uses mediarahan at lower hp thresholds.
This reminds me of the Freya ultimate boss from Star Ocean: Till the End of Time. In the game, there is a gauge that improves the character's attack speed and power, but it cuts their defense in half. I've seen lots of videos, along with struggling myself, of people dying to this boss. I decided to turn that gauge off, cutting my attack speed; however, my team was a lot sturdier, and the battle was a lot easier afterwards.
What I'm getting at is maybe the defend option is worth exploiting, especially since the magatsuhi gauge can increase after guarding, right? Though the expel/death resistance is probably a must-have to not die to the chaotic attack. I dunno, it looks hopeless, but I thought the same as the Freya fight. Still, the hyper-offense looks to be working really well, it's too bad the demons keep coming back.
It reminds me of the Demi-Fiend fight in Digital Devil Saga. Tough as steel and requiring a vast knowledge of the fight, game mechanics, a bit of luck, and a shit ton of specific planning and preparation. When this fight first came out, people could only beat it on Safety mode. Now, we as a community are getting closer and closer to that Hard mode kill! We've got this bois!
@@superninja_youtube Haha, yes! That was an obvious comparison for sure. I wanted to go in another direction haha
We need DPS check to kill demons. Not only this will waste demi fiend's turn to call new demons, he will Gaea Rage if you're not kill at least one demon for around 5 turns...
Basically we need to lower his chance to cast Chaotic Will..
@@veeshadow I agree. I think a more focused approach on the demons help. When he busted out Zeus with the 4000 damage crit, I was surprised he wasn't out sooner since it looks like Cu Culain and Girimakala have around 12,000 - 16,000 hp (maybe one can be ko'd in 6 press turns if magatsuhi crit is active?); however, there's always more to consider like debilitate and all that, and buff knows what he is doing for sure, I trust his process.
This is for sure one of those things where we all gotta figure it out together haha, so I'll take that L on the defend option.
You cant compare Tri Ace game to Atlus game design . Atlus Superboss alway badly design when Tri Ace is know for hard but fair super boss design if you understand their game mechanic . Atlus boss alway has big RNG factor and take away most of the game mechanic in the game .
Who else thinks that the dds cast should have been super bosses in this game?
I mean all the cast die what do you expect
Satan probably Good to Go
I was hoping to see other Messiahs as superbosses respectively tbh
Like Flynn, albeit he's not the strongest attackers; summoning Napea, Minotaur, Mastema for his party, supporting them with heals and Antichthon
@@nekomata1503 That's also not a terrible idea, more than a superboss, I would have probably liked another guest character like Guts or Dante.
I think strange journey mc is a better candidate for super boss
I specially like the music, it's a version of the battle music "Common Battle" of the SMT III, because you are just a Common Battle for him
13:12 That heal for 60k was too painful... this is why I ended up fighting this stupid fight on safety mode.
How Nocturne remake should've looked
6:14 Chaotic Will (Konton no Kotowari)
Don't mind me I'm just timestamping my new favorite move from Demi-fiend, since nobody has clipped it yet.
My favorite boss fight of the year... Hard, First Playthru, it gave me the frustration for a boss fight i missed.... not many video games, make it worth, grinding for, to beat a boss anymore. What i like about this fight is, all comes down to Skill, Preparation, and Luck. Too bad once you beat him, everyone else is super super easy mode.
Love the music ❤️
at least we can attack him using any element, unlike in dds which only earth and almighty work against him
Hes not even trying, doesmt have masakados ingested. Also imagine he used focus + freikugel
With how much the rest of the system seems to pull from Nocturne Hardtype, this might just be the nerfed Masakados from that mod.
death flies for 5.5k to pixie only hit for 3k
Reminds me of P3 Elizabeth, where you had to use a CALCULATOR to win lol
Best try ever
Demi-fiend PLEASE stop hitting yourself........I'm not even joking.
And some people still say dds is harder... they don't know it
I'm only seeing attempts on youtube no clears bro demifiend please chill 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Good work my friend keep pushing 👊👊
That 50k dmg of Gaea Rage........
i know this is probably a stupid question, but does Trumpeters evil melody work on his demons?
I think for boss not
13:10 yukari using diarahan on elisabeth fight flashback
I notice that unlike in DDS, Gaea Rage is a Physical attack here. So why not just run a bunch of demons that repel/drain phys like the cheese strat to shut off his BS all-enemies insta-kill move?
Atlus thought of that and gave Gaea Rage pierce so it will hit regardless
Gaea Rage has pierce in smt v. So you need to make sure his AI never goes for it, or else you're fucked without a dodge. Rotating your demons will make him try to deadly fury the new demon. Killing his demons will cause him to use call allies. Things like that. And of course after you bring him down to a certain threshold he'll mediarahan so you have to start over. Since he's so tanky that you can't one shot him, you need to be really fucking good with mp management.
@@alder2993 long as I have your attention, does Murakumo work with Charge? I notice no one ever has Charge on their Nahobino builds.
@@HunterStiles651 I genuinely have no idea mate your best bet would be to set up a build with charge and see if it has any effect by attack once without charge and again with charge if no then try concentrate as that's the same as charge but for magic
@@HunterStiles651 Charge has less than doubled damage, so the risk-reward ratio is likely not worth keeping a slot for it.
Lol 😂 freikugel +8 damn
That animation is funny. Basically shredding shit.
Wow, this is really impressive :o
can a null dark work against the chaos attack?
No, it's not a dark but ailment. Abyss & hellish mask work for reduction.
It's an ailment (or curse I guess) so I'd guess you'd need that skill that avoids ailments and instakills. Cant remeber the name rn though
Buffmaister's got it. Couldn't remember those skill names 😂. But yeah that'd help
@@BuffMaister can you stack both on a party member or is it like counter and retaliate where it doesn't stack?
I dunno if those stack. I would assume no unless you dig into the codes.
Ok I won't try it on hard then since even u couldn't win...
Please Atlus, I need a PS4 porting of this game
The attack animations doesnt have that impact unlike Nocturne and DDS
Would using ailments as a last resort be an alright strategy?
Maybe we fight like Nanashi from apocalypse in the next DLC
Resummoning demons without Reviving that is not fair, at least with the old shin Megami tensei most of the time with the game they actually follow the rules and actually have to obey the rules of the game.
I mean seriously it is frustrating what I have seen is they still kept that Revival magic only revived them in the stock not instantly back in battle, honestly nothing beats Digital Devil Saga Revival Magic because No One automatically goes back to the stock for dying and the Spells actually useful in battle.
This has probably been asked to you before, but I'm legit curious, which Demi-fiend boss you felt was harder? DDS or V?
Damn, even with the cheese it's this hard?
So can you have all the demons with you in your party is is there a limit to how many you can have?
is there a way to avoid the insta kill chance or just the rng on your side?
Did you use Grimore’s to get all the demons to lvl99?
Does Chaotic Will work on Demifiend?
Yes, but the person who did that got a gaea rage in return
That mediaran is pretty dog shit. If he's allowed to do that, brand from Smt4 should be in the game and he should be susceptible to it.
It's scripted, so it's not really different than if he had more HP.