What If Harvey Dent Was In Batman Returns?
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- Опубликовано: 14 дек 2020
- Billy Dee Williams's Harvey Dent was one of the biggest missed opportunities in the early Batman films. After being featured in Tim Burton's 1989 epic, he went missing in the sequel; Batman Returns. But what would have happened to the character if he showed up in this 1992 cult favorite? Rob is here to answer that question and much more in this episode of FanScription!
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Batman Returns is a 1992 American superhero film directed by Tim Burton and produced by Denise Di Novi and Burton, based on the DC Comics character Batman. The sequel to the 1989 film Batman, it is the second installment of Warner Bros. initial Batman film series, and stars Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne / Batman, alongside Danny DeVito, Michelle Pfeiffer, Christopher Walken, Michael Gough, Pat Hingle and Michael Murphy.
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Lets not forget, this movie went through an UNGODLY amount rewrites and changes.
I loved this.
I always felt that Batman and Penguin should be like Eliot Ness and Al Capone from the Untouchables and if you do what if Tim Burton directed Batman Forever make Robin Williams as the Riddler
What if Thanos was behind the Sokaiya Accords which he was using Zemo and Hela and knights in the chessboard.
What if the moleman or Annihilus was the 2015 fantastic four
What if Christian Bale Batman was the DCEU part 2( which you bring back Catwoman)
What if princess Ahmanet wins by taking Nick as her husband in the mummy 2017
Needs more Bobbleheads.
How about fixing Casper a spiritual beginning
One interesting thing about this movie is the fact the three vilains are a part of Bruce Wayne gone wrong : Schreck = a corrupt millionaire, Sélina = a vengeful vigilante, Pinguin = a twisted orphan.
Catwoman is arguably the true protagonist/hero of this film. She pushes the story forward much more than Batman does.
@@GregOrCreg à reactionary protagonist is still a protagonist.
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 I don't know what you mean by 'reactionary'. Catwoman certainly wasn't a political reactionary. And I don't see how she was a villain. She was on the side of good. Batman was the one sticking up for the privileged and powerful.
@@GregOrCreg political? Who mentioned political? And I meant that even if batman doesn't do must actively he is still the protagonist, just a reactionary one
@Pidaanma
That is a surprising interpretation, but i like it very much.
And i could totally see Burton planning it out that way.
A Tim Burton Two-Face played by Billy Dee Williams sounds like perfection.
Nice Profile Pic of Toga!
He WAS going to become Two face in Tim Burton's Batman 3.
And Williams finally got to play Two-Face... in the LEGO Batman Movie.
I've often wondered how things would have gone down if Tommy Lee Jones had been cast in the role for the '89 film. He wasn't quite established yet (this was before THE FUGITIVE), but I always thought it would be interesting to see how an obvious Texan (or a Southerner or some sort) fit into the very New York-like city of Gotham. Also remember that Jones co-starred in MEN IN BLACK, which I've always thought of as "one of the 'Tim Burton movies' Burton didn't direct," so to me it's plausible.
Billy Dee Williams is interesting, too. Honestly, I think he's the best live-action Harvey Dent thus far - sorry, Aaron Eckhart - but I don't think of him as a "Burton guy," which is ironic because apparently Tim was the one who chose him for the part. It's hard not to imagine Lando Calrissian when hearing his voice. I also think it was slightly absurd when "fake Billy Dee" (I'm not sure which one of you it was) referred to the Ice Princess as "Ice Princess." I mean, surely the woman had a real name, and in a serious legal context like that one Dent would have used it, no?
Maybe Williams might had let the studios keep Tim's Batman from dying off.
Penguin and Schreck being brothers would have been perfect. I can’t believe they dropped that. I can only imagine it was so as to not conflict with “kill all of Gotham’s elite’s first born” which went nowhere anyway.
But would it be at all plausible? Even without the deformity, Danny DeVito and Christopher Walken look nothing alike. Their fetuses' DNA would have to have been manipulated in a lab.
@@SeasideDetective2 wouldn’t be the first time siblings looked nothing alike. Think of, for example, Prince William & Harry. Or Joseph & Ralph Fiennes. Or Kate & Rooney Mara, etc.
@@SeasideDetective2 in a movie like this....don't think too much
@@madddoggnogood1491 If I enjoy a movie enough, I take it seriously and I question any lapses in logic it seems to have.
In the script, it's only brought up in only TWO scenes. The first was in the opening when we see a little boy staring at the Oswald in the cage and their mother tells him to stop staring at his brother. And then when Max is in the cage at the end, Penguin stares at him in the cage and he remembers his mom saying "Max, don't stare at your brother." and he realizes Max was his brother.
FanScription: "What If Tim Burton Directed BATMAN FOREVER and BATMAN & ROBIN?"
By making Robin Williams as the Riddler
And make it a continuation of this video.
@@srstriker6420 also make Patrick Stewart mr. Freeze
@@richardbowler405 yeah and remove Bane
Make Scarlet Johansson Poison Ivy.
Now we need a natural progression
What if Billy Dee Williams' Harvey Dent was in Batman Forever?
You would have to change the entire style of the movie.
Burton's and Schumacher's style are completely different. One is rather dark and gothic, the other more bright and neon. Billy Dee Williams wouldn't fit into a Schumacher film.
@@wjzav1971 its funny how some of Schumacher's films were dark (like falling down and the client) but also very good. He could of made a brilliant batman .
@@wjzav1971 If we have to do it, then let's play with the style of the next movie.
@@wjzav1971 I don't see Schumacher's style as all that different, at least when it comes to Batman. Both are surreal to an almost frightening degree, although Burton IS more subtle about it and thus more disturbing." I remember seeing BATMAN FOREVER in the theater and thinking, "This really isn't that different from the first two, except that it's more funny and kid-friendly." The part where the Riddler probes the two gun molls' minds and sees that they're thinking about Warner Brothers cartoons, for example, is something that Burton never would have shown.
By the way, it's always bothered me a bit that Batman - and Tim Burton - are so often described as "Gothic." It's partly because I feel the word cheapens Burton's style (it reminds me of kids at the mall during Halloween and S&M porn more than truly being an alienated individual) and partly because it's more a literary style than an art style. That said, BATMAN RETURNS does have some Gothic literary influences: the Penguin is clearly supposed to be the monster in Mary Shelley's FRANKENSTEIN, and his Arctic World Pavilion evokes the "pleasure dome with caves of ice" in Coleridge's "Kubla Khan." Bruce Wayne corresponds quite well to Lord Byron's "Manfred," the guilt-ridden aristocrat with superhuman powers; all that's missing is the incest angle. Even the power struggle between Max Shreck and Selina Kyle is straight out of William Godwin's novel CALEB WILLIAMS.
After he fixes Batman Forever with Billy Dee, then fixes Batman & Robin. He should do a video explaining how the 4 films with his additions would tell an overarching story. Like mentioning past villians and stuff like that.
wow, spot-on Christopher Walken impression.
@Donold Blormf please troll somewhere. I'm not interested
Not enough cowbell.
@@chrissonofpear1384 that is indeed a down side
What if that IS Christopher Walken
@@wokenlunatic2849 oooooh O.O that would be awesome
Well, we got a taste of William's two-face in the lego batman movie.
Something tells me Tims would be different. Not sure what but definitely something.
If Burton ever made another one, I hope he uses that visual design.
@@davidchalmers2504 same whenever I watch a Tim Burton movie the visuals our often stuck in my head.
@@mike.marziliano24601 Exactly!
YOU GOT TWO LINES
Please do a sequel to this with Billy Dee Williams as Harvey in Batman Forever!!!
(Maybe even Catwoman would come back)
I don't see what the point would be. Catwoman is even more out of place here than she was in the real movie. And with a storyline that's also juggling Batman, the Penguin, Shreck, the Mayor, Dent, Dent's wife, the Ice Princess, Commissioner Gordon, and a whole gang of circus people so fascinating they almost deserve their own story, it's hard to tell exactly whom this movie is supposed to be about. There wouldn't be sympathy for Selina Kyle anymore, because it would all get transferred to Dent. Batman does a little more "Batman stuff," and Chip actually gets something to do, but otherwise this FanScription exposes even more blatantly the flaws this film always has had. Besides, if they took out Selina, they could focus on Harvey and Grace's romance all the more.
@@SeasideDetective2 Well, they did it.
I can't say how much I would have loved to see this version play out. The inclusion of Dent and making Max be the brother of Penguin makes so much sense
Disney's Hercules What If:
What If Hades Raised Hercules?
Interesting idea
That could be interesting!
Or Hera was the villain
@@srstriker6420 That sounds better.
@@gamingdemigodxiii5630 thanks
I'd never thought the missing kids from the newspaper articles were murdered, I'd assumed they were kidnapped and raised to be the members of the circus gang.
Spot on!
Why do people always assume the worst?
What reason would the gang have to murder children? Also, since The Penguin was only a lonely bird-boy at the time, he wouldn't have been old enough to orchestrate the kidnapping, or 'murders' if that is what happened.
Ironically, for a film that's all about prejudice and bigotry, there are a lot of people willing to assume the worst about The Penguin, simply because he's 'ugly' and deformed.
@@GregOrCreg because he was literally planning to kill babies later in the movie
@@captainbeastwinger4940 Sure, but that doesn't mean he killed the children in the news report. He'd have only been a child at the time, so it's unlikely that he'd be able to organise such a thing.
In the original movie it always seemed Max actually liked Oswald. We’re not exactly privy to his inner thoughts but he’s seems 100% on board. I like when he sacrifices himself to save Chip! The characters most stand up moment.
In the script, it's only brought up in only TWO scenes. The first was in the opening when we see a little boy staring at the Oswald in the cage and their mother tells him to stop staring at his brother. And then when Max is in the cage at the end, Penguin stares at him in the cage and he remembers his mom saying "Max, don't stare at your brother." and he realizes Max was his brother.
Also, earlier, Max's assistants were the ones that gave Penguin his name after their computer gave him a random name because his real last name was "Schreck"
Okay Malcom is WAY too good at Billy Dee Williams..
We all know in Demo Reel he's great.
And Doug is a great Penguin.
I prefer the batman animated series version. He comes the closest to being terrifying :)
Hey I agree with you man and I'm not carrying pitchforks and torches! But I do have a lot of Harley Quinn and Joker merch!
Do you mean his fine Roman Nose?
That’s because BTAS respected its villains no matter how ridiculous (looking at you, Killer Croc). Burton respected the Bat and is probably the only director to acknowledge him as a detective, but at the cost of the villains for his style.
@@sarahhutchinson1644 Tim Burton didn’t respect Batman at all. He was barely a detective, he did absolutely little detective work. Tim Burton clearly doesn’t know shit about Batman and especially his villains. He’s not that mentally unstable, he doesn’t have a no kill rule (he actually smiled when he killed someone), and his Bruce Wayne persona is terrible. Isn’t Bruce Wayne supposed to be a philanthropist? He’s supposed to be fighting demons, Keaton’s Batman was not conflicted at all. There’s nothing even remotely comic accurate about him.
How perfectly timed this video is since The Dark Knight was selected for preservation at the National Film Registry yesterday? Then again so did Shrek (the ogre not this movie's Shreck), Grease, The Hurt Locker, and The Blues Brothers to name a few. ^^
I wouldn't consider Shrek to be some culturally significant animated film it was a enjoyable movie, but not groundbreaking or remarkable. movies like Toy Story or Wall-E are more deserving of that recognition.
Welp, now we need Billy's version of Forever.
Hmmm
Can you please do “What if Tim Borton directed Batman Forever” now? That would be awesome after doing this one.
Ah yes, legendary filmmaker Tim Borton.
Hmmm
Tim Burton, fucking get it right!
Fact 89 batman will be the best one other then batman in the 70s but some of you are to young to understand this😮
I love this, especially the Dent story arc. The Phantom mask protecting half his face is clever, plus this ending actually gives Two-Face a legitimate reason to hold a grudge against Batman, rather than just being crazy for the sake of it.
Also, major props for the actor impressions!
Penguin was ALWAYS supposed to be the bad guy. His sympathetic portrayal was him tricking the city into liking him. Max was using him to get what he wanted. So when he falls from grace he goes full baby killer.
Well they have been like Eliot Ness and Al Capone from the Untouchables
What if Newt, Hicks, and Bishop survived the beginning of Alien3 and where central characters.
I would LOVE to see that!
Yes! 💯
Burton: You gotta admit, I played this stinkin' studio like a harp from Hell...HaHaHa!!!!
WB: No more Batman for you.
McDonalds: No more Batman for us...
Schumacher: Riddle me this, Riddle me that...
McDonalds: Would you like a collectible cup to go with that Mr. Schumacher?
How about:
WB: "Joel, we're offering you our most corporate asset."
Joel: "Are you offering me Mel Gibson?"
WB: "Batman. Can you do it, Joel?"
Joel: "Yes. But only if Tim Burton would hire me. Because Tim and I are friends and I'm not making this movie without him."
Please make a episode covering batman forever continuing from this!
Not a bad Christopher Walken impression. Good job.
Why is no one talking about this SPOT ON Keaton impression?!?
You have created a perfect version of Batman Returns that we sadly will never get :(
Normal Batman Returns is already perfect
Not quite, I say. So, SO much could have been done so much better, as great as these films already are. I always felt uncomfortable with the Penguin's weird origin story, thought that Catwoman really didn't need to be in this film, and regret the fact that the Penguin lost the election, which could have set up an excellent cliffhanger for the third film. Plus, they could have planted the seeds of a return by the Joker! (No, I'm not kidding. Sure, he died, but "Batman Beyond" did it.)
Besides that, I've come up with some GREAT alternate casting ideas for BATMAN RETURNS. Danny DeVito would stay, but I'd want him to REALLY dial back the barbaric and gross stuff. And as enjoyable as Christopher Walken is, it's hard for me to imagine him being a beloved civic hero. I'd have preferred to see Chris Sarandon, one of my favorite actors and an excellent choice for Jack Skellington in THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, who had proven over the years that he could play a wonderful "gentleman villain."
And Selina Kyle just shouldn't have been in this movie. Too much of a distraction. My solution? Put another "Batman girl" in her place as the secretary - and NOT turn her into Catwoman. I've been thinking of Julie Madison, Bruce Wayne's girlfriend back in the 1940s comics and someone who still appears every now and then. She'd have a romance with another male character (so as not to distract Batman) while doing everything she could to uncover her boss's corruption. I'm picturing Nancy Travis, who was pretty much the standard innocent "girl next door" in Hollywood movies of the early and mid-'90s.
I've also imagined a different leader of the Red Triangle Circus Gang in place of the Organ Grinder. My idea is the late Russian actor Alexander Godunov (the main henchman for Hans Gruber in DIE HARD) as a blond lion tamer, reminiscent of Gunther Gebel-Williams.
Gimme a break
Maybe it's just me but I feel like Penguin and Two-Face always get the short stick in the Batman universe...that is until Cobblepot in Gotham but that's a different story. As for Two-Face, apart from the Batman the Animated Series two-parter Two-Face, there just hasn't been as great a Two-Face story. The Dark Knight killed him off far too early. He and Penguin always just seem to be the secondary target Batman beats at the start before going after the main villain. PS, they seriously need to take a break from The Joker and Harley Quinn.
Well I always felt that Batman and Penguin should be like Eliot Ness and Al Capone from the Untouchables
I feel the same way
And I agree on Joker and Harley
True they need to give some other villains the limelight, The Riddler, Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze any of those guys
@@thewonderfulwizardofschmoz3421 riddler and penguin are getting in the limelight in the new batman movie
I just realized that this Penguin was the original Gorr the God Butcher with the whole kidnapping children angle.
this is the first time I've heard Rob on his own, and I just find it really interesting how he sounds exactly like Doug reviewing something.
Rushy He also did a video called "What if Harley Quinn was in the 1989 Batman" that was a really good one.
This is your best FanScription yet! Batman Returns is my favorite Batman movie too, but this version enhances the Penguin story while seamlessly setting up Two-Face for the next movie. I also loved the new dialogue you wrote for Shreck! Considering Batman Returns is a stealth Christmas movie, the whole Rudolph bit was pitch perfect.
I thought this made the movie better and I especially appreciated the ways in which it was handled. I can tell a lot went into this and ngl I wanna see a direct sequel type thing of Batman forever
Rob, man, you did a great Christopher Walken impression. I’ll give you a 9/10 for good effort. I love it. I think if Christopher Walken watched this, he would love it’s. Thanks for making this video.
Mostly here for the Walken and Williams impressions.
Holy frigging crap! Handcuff Harvey at the end! Absolutely BRILLIANT! Thank you so much for this one!
As soon as I heard Harvey Dent talk all I can hear in my head is “Hi, I’m Lando”. 😂
Fanscription, this NEEDS to be taken further, please expound on this!! Tim burton Batman Forever and Batman & Robin versions! What ifs!
This might be a lot, but how about: What if Grand Admiral Thrawn had been the villain of the Star Wars sequel trilogy?
Would have been a lot better than what everyone had gotten.
There's plenty of other villains you could use instead from the post ROTJ expanded universe (the yuuzhan vong,Darth caedus and abeloth the mother being the three that immediately come to mind),as I'd personally use thrawn as the villain for a clone wars style animated series based on the thrawn quintology.
@@raptorfae.6645 i forget who did it but someone when covering how the sequel trilogy went wrong did a quick over view of what theyd do and it was the yuuzhan vong
Ew
I love Batman Returns. It still has my favorite ending out of any of the Batman films. This is one of those things I had always wished to see. Billy Dee Williams needed more screen time as Harvey Dent. Honestly, I didnt know the Penguin was at one point going to be Max Schreck's brother. That makes WAY to much sense, I can't believe it isnt true. Great video
Idk why batman returns is more watchable than the first one?
I think it's because it has a lot more emotion in it
Yeah I definitely preferred the 2nd one but both are pretty great
A great recreation of the story. Although I'll have to subtract points for forgetting to mention some of the best lines from the movie.
"How could you? I'm a woman!" "I'm sorry, I-"
"Eat floor. High fibre."
"Why is there always someone who brings eggs and tomatoes to a speech?"
"Bruce Wayne? Why're you dressed up like Batman?" "Because he IS Batman, you moron!"
And then I'll add a point for remembering the iconic Christopher Walken line: "Yawn."
😅😅😅😅😅
I feel you man. "He didn't even lose a limb! An eyeball! Bladder control!"
Wife if your gonna FIGHT LIKE A MAN YOUR GONNA GET SLAPPED AND BEAT LIKE ONE NO SORRYS NO PITTY ON HER😢😢😢😢GO CRY TO YOUR DADDY 😅😅😅😅
Ok that's WTFE
What if the Suicide Squad's mission was to lure and kill Joker?
oof
that was literally the first trailer of suicide squad
PLEASE DO "WHAT IF HARVEY DENT WAS IN BATMAN FOREVER?"
He was
I’d love to see a follow-up to this story where Harvey is actually a good villain and we get a better movie than we got. I’m sure you guys could do something great with it.
I like this take. It really corrects a lot. I'd like to see you continue this with William's Two Face in Batman Forever.
What if In "Looney tunes: back in action", Daffy had a bigger arc?
I can imagine yall enjoyed doing the voices for this one!!
You all are brilliant for this! I especially like the idea of Dent wearing the Phantom of the Opera mask to get his 2 faces.
So love how this ends up being the prequel to both Fanscript adaptions of both Batman Forever and Batman & Robin
26:50 Does anyone else find the idea of an army of rocket wielding penguins hilarious? I would love to see the paperwork that had to be filled out by the GCPD after their vehicles were totaled by an army of flightless birds.
My interpretation of the missing children that were never found is that his gang ARE those kids, as HE raised them.
What if Tim Burton directed Batman Forever
Then he would cast Johnny Depp as The Riddler. Tim Burton's only involvement with Batman Forever was to hire his friend Joel Schumacher as director, and help out hiring the screenwriters Lee and Janet Scott Batchler. Check out their interview on the channel Superhero Stuff You Should Know about it. I like Batman Forever just the way it is, with Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face and Jim Carrey as The Riddler.
@@evanzaremba4722 I think Robin Williams is a much better choice than say Johnny Depp or Jim Carrey don't get me wrong I think they're good actors I just can't really see them playing The Riddler
@@tykamen5588 well, Robin Williams was Joel Schumacher's original idea before Jim Carrey. Check out Schumacher's interview with Charlie Rose and see if I'm right. Also an interview with Lee and Janet Scott Batchler on Superhero Stuff You Should Know.
I got a good What If:
What if Thomas and the Magic Railroad was actually a good movie?
As a fan of the original series I would love to see this
@@brickbro0561 Series 1-7?
@@ryanangelastro504 Yes.
What if: Knox was in batman returns(siriusly what happend to that guy)
Well he did return for Crisis on Infinite Earths
@@Lopez03Eduardo. oh really, thanks for the information
@@Lopez03Eduardo. i have just checked out the clip of him and the sky is red like btas but Knox wasnt in the show so what is going on
@@funnyman1847 his earth 89 got erased by monitor then after crisis ended it was brought back
@@Lopez03Eduardo. ohh ok thanks
I had a similar "What If" scenario for Batman Returns but my idea would be if it also had Killer Croc. Basically, it would have the same plot and arc, just with Killer Croc playing the role of the Penguin, trying to find his identity, using the circus freaks to weasel his way into society, and plot revenge on the people of Gotham. Penguin would also be in the film in the role of Shrek, as a greedy and corrupt businessman (Oswald Cobblepot), who uses is alius (Penguin) to commit crimes and uses his deformed flipper hands to convince Croc to join him. In the end, Croc would die from the toxins in the water, buried by his pet alligators, and Penguin would die from Catwoman via the shocking kiss. Edit: I would also have the half-brother thing with Penguin and Croc, both were born with deformities but Penguin was born within wedlock and Croc was a bastard of the help.
That’s a great idea!
That's sound like an interesting au scenario by having the Penguin with Shreck's role and Killer Croc with the Penguin's role.
Batman Returns is one of my favorite comic book sequels and while I acknowledge the faults it has, the performances and overall execution really sell it. However, even I wish Billy Dee Williams had the chance to be Two-Face and after watching this, this would’ve been the perfect setup. We have Harvey set for descent into madness, Batman on the outs with Gotham, Selena on her last life, and an ominous, yet slightly hopeful ending. This would’ve made anticipation for the third film incredible and had Burton been able to do it, this could’ve been the definitive Batman trilogy. But I guess we make do with what we’ve got. I will say, though that this was a nice idea. Not too shabby, Rob. Not too shabby.
You need to make a part two to this with Batman forever
Now I want to see Tim Burtons Cut from this. Whenever movie goes into to the Edit nightmare and rewrite hell then somebody's vision is not seen and its usually directors pure vision.
Love this version and the voice acting! Great job to all :)
Malcolm does an amazing Billy Dee impression. And it makes sense that Doug should voice the Penguin. Both him and Danny DeVito share the same birthday.
Cool but what does that have to do with Doug voicing the Penguin
It's like that old riddle, "who is the monster and who is the man?" 🤔
Gimme a sequel to this
I love all the attention Batman Returns has been getting this year. I've been saying for years that it's a great Christmas movie and I make an effort to watch it every year!
Great work! I would have loved to see Billy Dee Williams in Batman Returns. I don't like that they invented so many new characters for both Batman and Batman Returns when there already are characters who fill their functions in the story of the films. Considering their roles in the films and their similarities to already existing characters in the DC universe, I would have changed the characters below as follows:
Carl Grissom -> Carmine Falcone
Lt. Eckhardt -> Det. Harvey Bullock
Max Schreck -> Rupert Thorne
The Mayor (from Batman Returns) -> Mayor Hamilton Hill
What do you think?
To be honest I don’t think Tim burton read more then like three Batman comics ever
Good job on the voices man, made the entire thing very enjoyable.
I always thought the missing circus kids grew up to be the Penguin's henchmen
Loved it. Both this and the original. Thank you!
robin was supposed to be in batman returns as well and he would have been played by marlon wayans.
OMG, Rob!!!! This was so GREAT!!! I love how u tidied up this the fantastic movie! I love Batman Returns too, but I think I’d love this version SO much more!!! Great job!!!
I have to admit that the final shot would be an amazing cut to credits moment. It sets up a sympathetic antagonist and what is probably an amazing movie and the art is pretty creepy and well made. Can't wait for the sequel.
I would've loved to see Billy Dee Williams as a live-action Two-Face, and if you guys could do a video remaking Batman Forever with Williams as Two-Face, that'd be awesome
I really like the different take on Penguin. He retains some of the gross and creepy aspects, but is definitely a bit more sympathetic initially. It’s only after he’s exposed for going after the elites AND Max abandoning him (like their parents, another good additions) that he considers infanticide, which is his nuclear option if he couldn’t fit with society or win mayor.
Now do your take on Batman Forever if Tim Burton wasn't fired and Billy Dee Williams was still Harvey Dent
For those of you who are low on patients, the story begins at 6:42. Now , I really like your fanscription episodes, where you fix and improve flawed movies. But the question is what if Batman Forever had the same continuity as your version of Batman Returns? In order words....
What If Catwoman were in Batman Forever?
Awesome video. Adding Harvey fleshes out Bruce more and you potentially made it more personal on why Two-Face would resent Batman with his reputation being ruined. Love the beat where Bruce puts the bug on Shreck. The Dent-Batman rooftop scene is the Billy Dee Williams Dent & Keaton Batman meetup I never knew I wanted and Harvey showing up as the Phantom of the Opera at the masquerade (and the mask protecting his face in the explosion) just FITS this Burtonverse. This is also WAYY better than the actual script version that threw in the Max Shreck = Penguin's brother twist at the end without much exploration. Here, you actually contrast the two.
One correction is that Daniel Waters has debunked the rumor that Max Shreck was ever Harvey Dent: ruclips.net/video/BywJebS-BB8/видео.html
The "Dent was Shreck" rumor makes less sense anyway. Dent's tragic fall from grace into being Two-Face would be completely ruined if he was an abusive boss who attempts to murder his secretary.
I watched that video Max Shreck was never Harvey Dent that you've done. Besides, both Dent and Shreck are two separate characters.
What if Billy Dee Williams and Tim Burton stayed for Batman Forever!!!!????
This was excellent rob/doug. Really excellent. Well done. More like this from your channel please.
This is great stuff, Rob!
You guys nailed it.
Now where's "What If Tim Burton directed Batman Forever?"
Come to think of it, Harvey Dent has always been a missed opportunity when it comes to the movies. While overshadowed by the iconic Heath Ledger performance, I always felt that Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent/Two Face could've carried his own movie.
Nice job on the penguin voice Doug!!! Underrated for sure
This is great! Wish this was the real version of Batman Returns. Thanks for this, hope you do more.
The name of the main villain in this movie is a clear reference to the actor who played Count Orlock in the first Nosferatu version (1922) and the soundtrack is really awesome in my opinion, I still remember that Siouxsie and the Banshees song when Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle are dancing and they look each other, this scene is great :D
I absolutely loved this! Now I want to see how you write Batman Forever as the continuation of the storyline.
Very creative and well thought out! Keep up the good work!
Bro, some of this dialogue is perfect. 👏🏻🔥
That "Harp from Hell" line was never not going to be used 😄
Batman Returns is, bar none, my favorite comic book film of all time - so when I say that this overall meets with my approval, that's high praise.
However, while I'll frankly acknowledge the script is a little loose, and this does fill a few of those holes, one of the things I think works best about the film is its pacing - and I do think this makes things just a little bit cluttered. Personally, I don't WANT something as long as the Nolan films; a few minutes longer is one thing, but not much more than that. So here's MY version, using yours as a rough template.
The film starts out as it usually does: Penguin gets tossed into the sewer, etc. Here's where my first change comes in: the Max Shreck boardroom meeting.
Harvey is there, sitting next to the Mayor. He makes a big noise about how Max's power plant will never fly, and - here's a big one - when Selina timidly gives her 'I have a suggestion' line, and Max shoots her down, he speaks up for her:
Harvey: Hey, come on now, Max - an inside opinion can't hurt. Give the kid a chance.
Max: A chance? I've got a crowd waiting for me, Harvey.
Harvey: Let's say, two minutes worth of one. [Pulls out his coin] Call it.
Max: Heads.
Harvey flips his coin, looks at it, shrugs apologetically at Selina. As they leave, Max shoots her a poisonous look.
The kidnap scene goes pretty much unchanged, but two things are altered. First, during the 'thanks for saving the day, Batman' bit, Harvey's there, too, and it's here where we get introduced to his fiancee - Grace, who had been somewhere else, runs up to him and starts making a fuss of him: 'Oh, honey, are you OK?' Harvey, a little embarrassed, introduces Bats to her, who awkwardly just kind of nods or something and roughly says 'Congratulations'. This reminds us, after his earlier confrontation with Selina, that Bruce Wayne is a lonely guy, and has difficulty balancing out his two sides.
Cut to the Penguin's lair, where Oswald is trying to blackmail Shreck. In this version, however, Max is proving a tougher nut to crack - he waves off all the standard stuff that's produced. Then the Penguin grins, and hands him an oversized Christmas card with a paper tucked inside it.
Max looks at the paper, which we don't see. His eyes widen. "Remember, Max - you flush it, I flaunt it." He gives in - but, notably, the Penguin takes the card back first.
Back at the office, Selina gets pushed out of a window, turns into Catwoman, etc. - the only difference is that she doesn't say she guessed his password; she's a little vague about precisely how she got the information. She kind of mumbles something about 'well, he said it would be OK'. We don't find out precisely who 'he' is, but Max evidently disagrees.
Everything is more or less as usual for a while after this, with a few key differences. During the 'let's make a Mayor' scene where Max introduces Oswald to his team, Oswald ominously reminds him not to push him too far, or he'll uncover his secret - 'I haven't mailed all my cards yet, Max' - but Max still manages to convince him to run. In the aftermath of the Red Triangle goons' rampage, Harvey is seen ranting on TV about how he'll prosecute the lot of them, and when Penguin proudly reveals his 'H-bomb on wheels' plan to Catwoman, she asks, briefly, 'where'd you get THAT?', referring to the Batmobile plans. Penguin just says he has his sources, and then the scene proceeds as usual.
In the aftermath of the Batmobile's hijacking/escape, just prior to the press conference, Harvey storms into his office, shouting that he's gone too far. It turns out that HE was the one who got the Batmobile plans, using his ins at City Hall (which, after all, works closely with the Batman - yes, it's a bit of a stretch, but at least it's something). Despite his loud public noises against Max and his corruption, he's been in his pocket all along - not by choice; the creep's got something on Grace (maybe something as simple as a hired gun following her around to shoot her if Harvey slips). Harvey says he's had enough of this, Max calmly states that Harvey's in no position to bargain, given that he was the one who slipped the power plant files to Selina, hoping she'd take him down. What he wants from him next is to dig up some extra dirt on the Penguin; the bird's been useful so far, but is proving a bit difficult to control (and, of course, he has dirt on HIM, but he's not going to tell Harvey that). Harvey feebly says something like 'flip you for it?', at which point we learn that his coin is two-headed (but not scarred - not yet). Which, of course, makes his initial scene with Selina seem somewhat different: since he knew how the coin-flip would go, it was all a ruse, meant to make everyone else think he was the good guy.
The reveal at the press conference goes more or less as usual - except Harvey's there, and, at a nod from Max, starts shouting for the Penguin's arrest. At the Max-querade Ball, Harvey and Grace are there, dancing, and she adoringly tells him that he's 'the best man she knows'. He mutters something about he has another side, she says 'well, we all have those', and leaves to get some punch, at which point he takes out his coin, flips it, and sighs to himself 'not like mine'.
Harvey is scarred during the explosion, as in your version. When Max persuades Penguin to take him instead of Chip, he says something like 'well, I guess I could settle for a SECOND son.' Harvey's not quite unconscious during all this, and through his good eye, he sees Max and the Penguin leave, and smiles feebly - he's free.
During the lead-up to the final showdown, we see a bandaged Harvey in hospital, demanding that a cop bring him 'the files on Shreck'. Also, while the Penguin is gleefully explaining his plans to Max, he casually puts the Christmas card down just out of his reach, saying something like 'won't need this anymore, now, will I?"
The 'kidnap the kids' plan is foiled by Batman as usual, and the Penguin Commandos are sent out - the only difference, in my version, is that first the Penguin snarls 'Right. Plan B'. So it's not something he just comes up with on the spur of the moment; it's a plan, just not one he thought he'd have to use. (Let's face it, the Commandos are awesome, and I didn't want to change much about them).
Finally, the showdown. Only difference here is that, just before Max gets his deadly kiss, he reveals what was in the Christmas card: a torn and soggy birth certificate, detailing his relationship to the Penguin. It's only HERE that we find out they're brothers; Max had known for years he had a brother who'd been dropped in the sewer, but had changed his name and flushed the evidence to protect his self-image. To a publicity-minded mogul like him, after all, image is everything, and his couldn't have withstood the direct connection to the Penguin - he could tell all along, after all, that the bird was going to crash and burn.
But, finally, it turns out that Oswald's 'won't need this anymore' line had a different meaning than we'd thought: he didn't need it because he'd already used it. Just prior to the launch of his kid-snatching scheme, he'd turned on the allies who'd betrayed him by sending all their information to the cops (in the case of the birth certificate, a photocopy), bringing the game of blackmail to a close, and giving the Penguin, in the end, a grim little bit of a victory. This implicates Harvey, too, of course, and he's last seen still in the hospital, being handcuffed to his bed. While Grace cries out in the hallway - will she leave him? - he takes his coin, and flips it. As in the Dark Knight, it's been scarred in the explosion, and it lands bad side up. Otherwise, the movie ends normally.
So there you have it. I think this version gives Harvey a bit of a dark side, emphasizing his two-faced nature (even if he is still a good man at heart), and keeps the 'family' angle as more of a motivator for the Max/Penguin relationship, rather than as a major plot point. I won't claim it's perfect or anything, but, well - it's how I'd do it.
Very impressive work on this story! Two-face is certainly one of my favorite Batman villains! I think I like the animated version best though because his character was so well crafted and written in those stories. However there is certainly no doubt in my mind that Billy Willaims was robbed of the opportunity to play this part in the Burton verse! You certainly have a very impressive imagination! Great job on this project!
I love that desperate measures also get you desperate time counter line.
It would have been a lot less dark and more interesting while having a African American version of Harvey Dent 🤔
It's Tim Burton and its part of the Gothic genre it would of found a way to be a dark story
Ahh yes the new Batman villain, blackface.
Black Two Face might could have give Burton s Batman a Sam Raimi esque feel like what he to Spider MAN.
@Donold Blormf That's sounds very insulting to me.
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I’d like to see a continuation to this.
that walken impression cracked me up, loved it!
I love your credits score it's so soothing and peaceful
That Billy Dee Williams impression sounds more like Morgan Freeman lol
What if Billy Dee Williams was two-face in Batman Forever?
everyone does an amazing impression on every character spot on excellent work I wanna see this take already on film great job
Super fun watch! Well done!
I like this take on the movie. It would lead to a good reason to make Batman Forever. But the question remains, how would Batman Forever be different, if Tim Burton was at the helm?
31:21 so your telling me his wife was there the whole time and no one had a issue with this open wound of a eye? Would definitely not be pg13 with that scene.
Funny enough, when Grace showed up at the party I started imagining a flirtation between her and Bruce, which could have made Harvey jealous. I thought that because they actually did that story in the comic book series THE BATMAN ADVENTURES (but AFTER Harvey had become Two-Face, and there it was all a misunderstanding set up by the Joker and Harley Quinn). Otherwise, what reason does Harvey have to turn bad in this? No one would applaud his arrest. He's a hero who busted two crooked politicians!
I really enjoyed that. I really want here the next stories of Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.