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Everything You Need To Know About MTB Saddle Position | GMBN Guide To Bike Setup
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- We all know that having your bike saddle higher makes pedalling a bit easier, and having it lower feels a bit safer over rough ground. But there is a lot more to positioning your saddle than you might think - including your cranks, pedals and even handlebars. Here's Doddy with everything you need to know 🔧
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Amateur here, just discovered the love of road/off road biking. Have two old bikes from my Pops...Raleighs. I know these are old, and not anywhere to the level that all of you here have. BUT...I’m taking this summer to learn about the bike. I’m dismantling one of them, learning the names of all parts, how to fix, replace, repair. And then reassemble. I came up on this channel to do just this, and love this guy. So much useful info, and for the most part understandable to me as a newbie. Taking on trails/roads/paths in my city, and if It all works out and I love it in the months ahead as I do now, I’ll look into purchasing a new bike. After googling bikes, that seems like a daunting task. Bikes are a lot more specialized and expensive than when I bought one last....
If you are planning on riding mountain bike trails. The right equipment is a must. Since the thing occurred. Mountain Bikes are very hard to find. I purchased a GHOST Kato 5.9 29" hardtail from REI. Hence my name:) It is no longer available. All of the name brand manufacturers have been sold out for months. Doddy's video helped me tune my saddle and it made a huge difference.
Get a new bike mate. Old bikes are quite shite off road compared to them.
Yeah right
Doddy is soo good at explaining things in simple ways that sometimes I forget how brilliant he is. Not every expert has the ability to break things down like he does (and fewer still can be entertaining at the same time)
I used to lower my saddle 2-3cm from the optimal height before I had a dropper, it caused me knee pain on longer riders, I'm a happy dropper post user now and never looking back.
Doddy is the best! Could listen to him explain tech all day, he does everything in an easy to understand way. Keep up the good work
Solar Flare read that as Daddy and it really weirded me out
That's why I subscribed myself as I'm a complete buffoon at this kind of stuff.
@@benjamind165 😂
@@benjamind165 same
These tips were absolutely brilliant, I hadn't ridden for a long time due to a semi-fused ankle and now with an electric mtb bike and years of of healing it looks like I can at least get back in the saddle, and with these tips it will help me not to get ankle pain or ruin any work put into it
Doddys morphing into that dude from park tool 🤙🏻😂
Quality content as always lads
Calvin? Or Truman?
@@bananasstuff3344 calvin of course
The one with the tache, don’t know his name
He's a legend 👍
@@beardedvikingmtber his name's calvin jones and he's the goat
As a big man just getting into mtb riding, I truly appreciate this video. I was very upset my new bike saddle was jamming me in my bits. Learning I can angle up or down, forward and backwards is so relieving
That is just about the clearest explanation on saddle position I have heard or found. Thank you Doddy!
This is the best explanation of seat, height and adjustment for mountain, biking ever! Thank you so much!
Nice! Clear, concise, no BS practical approach. Appreciate!
Awesome bike! I just ordered a Lux a few hours ago. Can’t wait!
Best bike setup video, Thanks Doddy, always top quality with your personal recommendations. Thanks!
I agree this is the best instructional video I have seen on rider positioning. Thanks for mentioning crank length.
Sadly it is quite difficult finding 160 crank arms for the older riders , e-bikes, and younger riders with shorter legs.
Doddy, can you do a recommendation on mtb saddles, different styles and price points? Loving the tash!
wow there's a lot to setting that all up correctly and I was even wondering how this all plays out with the correct size and geometry of the frame? Many people are most concerned with getting the right size bike when I think here you've shown that getting everything else set up right can make a huge difference in comfort as well.
Really good video on setup - thanks for posting this info!
12:35. “No one person is the same”. I always thought every one person was the same.
Lots of great info, as always. Thanks Doddy.
Finally a good video on this! Thanks GMBN
No problem!
at 6 foot, I thought I'd try a large XC frame, I thought I was doing well on it... then recently I went back to a medium frame, and my climbing and over all control and riding has been vastly improved.
I'm 5' 10" and I got a large Enduro bike, and it's perfect for me, it's purely opinion.
6ft too I bought what was supposed to be my size frame but always regretted not having bought a smaller one..turns out for everyone but my brand (which doesn't exist anymore) the frame I have is meant for 6.4ft not the same at all >< I agree with you Chris a medium frame is more nimble for sure I'm constantly battling with the center of gravity being too high when I climb or ride in rocks and roots...my old medium frame with 26" wheels was just easier to ride (but slower, no adjustable seatposts back in those days)
It’s also a great idea to measure your sit bones I was running the wrong seat for years.
Outstanding instruction, thank you!
I just changed my pedals to a smaller size, stoked to try it out! And not clip rocks.
Thanks Doddy! So on point!
Super helpful! Thanks guys!
Great tips! One thing I find, is I need to run my saddle 5mm to 10mm lower when riding my flat pedals vs clipless. Not sure if it's just me but because I ride with my foot more centered on the pedal with flats I have to lower just a bit.
Thanks for all the helpful tips! Gonna use them to ride better on my next edit. Stay strong everyone :))
My balls were killing me, looks like i had it too far back lmao
Loving the stache doddy!
Is this a retro nod to Tom Ritchey? us.ritcheylogic.com/us_en/meet-tom
You're my hero Doddy!
i just bought new pedals CB stamp 7 Large and replaced the old shimano saint pedals with them and i just can't believe how my position and movement on the bike has improved
Great video (as always). I'll be out adjusting mine shortly, after I've used the tips in another GMBN video to fix the puncture in my tubeless tyre. Keep up the good work guys.
Great video, looking forward to setting this up tomorrow.
Great setup video!
Very comprehensive. Thanks!
Great and comprehensive video. thanks
Thank you so much Doddy.
I used to be so, so picky about my saddle height....
Well, with the Bafang BBSHD on my bike, I’ve found one good compromise. It’s just low.
Not slammed down all the way, but maybe 2 full inch’s from optimal pedaling position.
The 160mm cranks help too. Knees don’t come up so high.
Now if I were going on a long road ride I might put it back where it should be.
But that would be if I were going out of town. In traffic and at stop lights I can barely get one tippy toe on the ground, and I can start to cramp. Now there’s an excuse for a dropper post.
Sometimes you just have to live with compromise....
Still, where saddle sits is perfect for the trail, and with the power of the motor, I’ve no problem on the street.
Cheers
I did some long(ish) distance trekking over a few days (on a mountain bike, just not mountain biking). Came home with an over-extended and inflamed Achilles (tendinitis) and it's been chronic on and off ever since. Saddle position and height is definitely important if you're not just putting about for a few miles at a time, or catching a lift to the top. The only real long term fix for me is to stop riding entirely, which means my job would be on the line too.
All because I swapped my rather slim WTB saddle out for a Brooks and didn't even consider the change in seat height that caused.
Sad to hear that. Has it healed?
@@srileo Not exactly. It's 99% fine almost all of the time, but sometimes I can irritate it depending on how I sit at my desk or whatever. Occasionally when I get up in the morning it can be a bit stiff.
Well explained. Very easy to understand.
Awesome tech vid, have a slight different view on the crank length after reading and watching some examples of how a shorter crank arm reduces hip rotation and therefore increase comfort and any potential hip issues later on in life. Granted it plays a bigger factor on road where like stated you spend more time seated but its still a factor.
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Loving the 'tache dude
I could listen to doddy for weeks
Flat pedals for comfort, simply because it allows unconsciously moving feet around. Moving the foot slightly further forward on the pedal largely compensates for the lack of clip-grip. I also go for big platforms as I find balancing better with feet wider; again the advantage of big flats being you can move you feet out for descending and in for climbing. But it only works well with a highish BB or else those big pedals catch on everything when pedalling!
Thanks Doddy! It’s been enlightening to listen to your lecture and it comes in handy. As I recently purchased a 1993 Cannondale M 800 Beast of the East I’ve had a harder time adjusting her to my old frame! Cheers from Costa Rica!
Thanks for the great info
Amazing tips i’ll def do some of the tips hope it’ll help thanks man!
Great video!!! Thanks
can you do a vid about all you need to know about dirt jumpers, like gear ration, suspension setup, bars, geo etc.
Great tip regarding the vertical line. Will apply asap
Glad it was helpful!
great and informative video
V useful vid, especially the fore/aft setting.
Glad it was helpful!
Glad I found this!
Cheers Doddy, great info
Glad to help!
Another thing to consider for pedals if the stance is too wide and rubbing on chainstay or crank. Adding spacers to the pedals where they screw into the crank does help. I have one spacer on each and they do help me.
Never though of that. My chain stay has some shoe sole on it lol
I bought a new Giant Trance 2. It has a Contact neutral seat. I couldn't get comfortable riding, it felt like the bike didn't fit right. I decided to buy an Ergon SM Sport. OMG it doesn't feel like the same bike. I think that should be the #1 update for any bike!
I bought a Cube e-bike at £4,000 and it had the worst saddle I've ever sat on. I agree that a replacement saddle is a great idea.
I like my Giant bikes but throw the seats away.
I'm 187cm in height (6' 2") and I need to eliminate the feeling that I'm too "high and forward" over my bars. It's also hard to manual.
I've got a large Norco frame on 29" wheels so I think I could try lowering my saddle and moving the seat back a bit to keep my weight over the back wheel whilst also lowering my centre of gravity.
I'll give it a crack tomorrow. Cheers from a Australia!
move seat back or potentially switch to setback seat post if you're running a rigid post. Also, consider putting a set of handlebars with a higher rise to them, you're definitely on the top end for most size large frames
I get just the opposite feeling, that I'm too low and aft. It may just be my seatpost being too short in concert with the saddle being too far aft.
I was just setting my saddle REALLLLYY
Thank you!
The moustache and the jorts are killing me!
7:40 what a great representation of BROOKS saddle owners
This is creepy. Been researching this for the last couple of days. Used the 109% method to set height. Slid the saddle to the middle. Eased up the reach on bars. Pushed out the grips for faux wider bar. And? Voila! More power. More comfy. No hand pain. But back to the creepy bit. Went out for a ride. Came back to the tubes and this video shows up in reco 🤔 Shivers!
Tanks from France 🇨🇵👍
Another awesome video!
Thanks Sohaib!
Well done
Never thought about different length crank arms. I might have to go with a shorter set. Thanks.
Thanks
Rad moustache, Doddy!
My go to saddle height position is just to stand beside the bike and adjust the saddle height to my waistline or just the top of my pelvis. This way always gives me the comfortable saddle height. Anything higher gives me cramps. Fore and aft in conjunction with the hadlebar/stem is best measured with how upright or downward aggressive I want my cockpit position as this will be absorbed by your arms and chest which is also dependent on how wide the handlebar is to your comfort level.
I'm gonna try your procedure. Thank you for sharin' it here, eh mate!
Cheers & Mabuhay, from tropical Philippines!
Very informative video. I was wondering how far a mullet setup would skew the front adjustments due to the larger tire up front.
when Doddy mentions manufacturers are pretty good at sizing crank lengths and my small Jeffsy came with a 175mm, same as the XXL 🤬😉
great vid. I bet i've been riding like a spaghetti monster for the last 28 years...
Can you do a feature on steering damper.thanks you
I now had one use handed so it more noticeable since I had the stroke I seen the damper sets of canecreak. I'm looking for less "chatter'' as I get my balance back I hope to be able to steer with just one arm and one leg.
I have seen it Olympics so I know it possible
Thanks
I always prefer mid foot on the peddle. Love the video though.
This is so long to do in real life, but it's worth doing
Richard Branson called... he wants those speed boats on your feet back! ;)
That tash is majestic hahaha 😆
this video probably just saved my knees and feet
I always question me about the seat angle adjustment, what about the rear suspension sag ? Seat angle wont be the same with or wihtout sag.
Great tips. Love your vids but not sure about the mo! I was adjusting my saddle rail position using the plumb bob method and despite having a 25mm offset post and the seat slid almost completely all the way back the string line is still slightly forward of the pedal axle, maybe 10mm or so. I wondering if I have really long femurs or if there is something else I am doing wrong?
Hi Doddy, could explain the new trend toward large negative air chambers on rear shocks? The Rockshox MegNeg for example. What are the pros and cons of adding an upgrade like the MegNeg. Additionally, setup tips for the claimed mid-stroke improvements. At 90 dollars it seems like a no brainier upgrade. I've got a 2020 Canyon Strive and I love to tinker with my suspension setup. I've yet to find the feel I'm looking in the rear with the RS Super Deluxe Select. So I'm considering the MegNeg but I'd really like to hear your thoughts. Thank you!
Hello doddy..and the bushes are still waving at you..lol
Obligatory person in comments who say`s - I was just looking at doing that! - Is me today :) Cheers Doddy!
same
I actually am as well
Same boat here. Had new bike day yesterday and still need to get everything dialed.
Yep. That be me too. 😂
@George Vitus Sentier 27 VRS
Awesome video,is that Canyon Lux a 27.5?
be sure to account for sag when setting saddle angle.
CALVIN'S MOUSTACHE EVERYONE!
(interesting, did Calvin Doddys haircut - haveto check out)
My Bike setup is getting really dialed :) Only my skills aren't...
Thanks for the input but there was two details you missed out on your explanation: 1. Adjutsing the seat angle. You mention flat or slickly downwards but how to you check that if every saddle is not flat, having a higher back area. I have seen that the level should be taken on the front flat section of the seat and others say that you should consider the entire length of the seta to find the level.... You did not give any information on the cockpit trimming. Where can I get that information? All the Best.
Variable geometry and memory seat position - you're dreaming. A Telelever would allow variable rake with variable length Heim joint on end of A-frame.
The black shorts your wearing in the beginning of the video when you are riding are sick! Where did you get them? I didn’t see them in the shop.
I have my saddle height at the perfect height for me. My problem now is the position of my feet on my pedals. I have flat pedals with cleats and I can't ever seem to find a comfortable spot on the pedals, I try using my toes but that seems like I don't have enough of my foot on the pedal, I usually default to using the middle of my foot but then sometimes that's not very comfortable. Also since I have size US12 shoes I'm always just at the point of hitting my heel on my the chainstay or rear derailleur, plus some of my shoes have wide out/midsoles so I'm always worried I'm going to hit that chainstay or derailleur. I find that I'm constantly having to reposition my feet on my pedals and it's getting really annoying.
Is it worth getting a dropper post for a trail/XC bike or would a quick release be a more practical choice?
My saddle to nose up and my grapes were hurting. Now it's nose down and my wrists hurt. Need to find that happy medium.
Doddy is the younger version of the mechanic in parktool jusy sayin tho.
Could we see another hardtail week?
Lewis Butcher Hardtail weekkkk !!!!
Good idea 👍
Hear! Hear!
Everyone, get on your hardtail.
My lower back says why not the Iron Maiden week too?
Had my saddle way to far back and wondered why I had back issues after my rides lol
I have pain in my lower back too, I think I have the same problem, I just installed days a go a dropper post to my hard tail.
@@calin073 how much travel do you have on your dropper? I got a 150 mm, but I have grown a bit and now I'm wishing that I got a 170...
@@clmfilms8103 The bike shop installed my dropper, this was 150mm, but they changed it for a shorter 125mm, now I'm much better.
8:17 he said “If you look at my Nukeproof here”, while pointing at his beautiful Canyon bike 😂
i think the saddle he showed was on a nukeproof hahahaha, not sure tho
#AskGMBNTech How much interference is too much? Recently bought a frame with a PF92 bottom bracket, initially I used a 6 inch dial caliper to measure the inside diameter of the BB shell, however I knew I would get scrutinized for that, and I purchased a Starrett1-2 inch micrometer. I measured the diameter of the BB shell, it had a variance of 1.608-1.612 inches or 40.843-40.944. What is the correct interference fit?
i been having ankle/achilles issues...i wonder if this is why
So I’m running a 760 bar right now and I’d like to go wider maybe 780 ish. Is there a formula or something to work out how much extra rise I need on that bar to keep me in the exact same position just a wider bar
What's the place called you were at at 3:33? I think I recognise it.