And I’m wondering that if you use twin scroll/divided manifold and turbo, then when valve is closed, only 3 cylinder gases flows to the turbo.. Because the dividing. There’s no way to get both banks gases to flow in the turbine if the system is all the way divided. Unless you use external wastegates to circle the flow from the closed side to open side. And that’s just excessive hassle to the whole system. Or am I missing something now. 🤔 Raising the boost pressure = fighting against restriction. Raising manifold/exhaust back pressure = fighting against (flow) restriction. There still is other ways to get quicker spool on diesels and the first thing is to toss every usual style manifold desings and using smaller exhaust housing or smaller/lighter turbine wheel, and there is allways nos, but that’s not very ideal for common dudes use. The exhaust sides free flow is the key, and you get it with equal length runners and with a collector design that provides scavenging effect (like tri-Y). Even with downpipe desing (like from 2014-2015 F1 cars, a short divider/enlargement part on the single downpipe, which creates scavenging effect) you can get good results. The thing in every turbocharged engines is to get the exhaust flow free as possible. If you can’t scavenge the cylinders empty, you raise the cylinder pressure (and heat) and end up with a broken internals or head/headgasket. You can see that thing happening on allmost every ”superturbo mercedes” like we call them here in Finland. Tuning these merc diesels is pioneered here, and we have been build hundreds of st mercs here from the beginning of 2000’s. Still, people build them allways with the same old methods, and breaks those things all the time. But people are so ignorant here and their attitude is like “this is like everyone else is doing” yet no one seems to learn nothing from the others or even from themselves. 🤦🏻♂️😂 If I had my own shop and equipment to build things in large scale, I would do ONLY research and development! And yes, these guys does that too and I liked the cnc manifolds idea, but I would design it properly with equal length runners and similar collector parts. And place the wastegate directly to the flow so there’s no possibility to boost creep. Just my 2 c.
"Oh yeah, I understand" =Me when trying to explain anything vaguely technical to the other half. Its also reversed when she describes anything to do with cooking, sewing, washing machine operation, and shoe shops. :D Good job she's tolerant.
@@DieselPumpUKthanks for answer! So its like a variable geometry turbo but more efficient in high revs than with variable geo? I mean something similar
@@nicolasp7395No it is not. A variable geometry turbo is something completely different. And the valve thing in the video is just useless, it is actually blocking airflow to the turbine.
I Want One Of These! That's The One Thing I Hated About Going Bigger Turbo. I'm Ok With The Lag But I Miss That Constant Whistle At Idle In Drive Parked With AC on haha. It Sounded Like A Diesel In My Turbo 3800 Eco Tech / L67 hahah
Love these old diesels! 😁 I have a 2003 W211 E320 CDI on 112k and thinking of doing a turbo/intercooler/injector/remap upgrade before it gets too long in the tooth. Still need decent day to day and cruising economy but want double the power and torque, which I know they're capable of. What do you recommend and how much is it likely to cost? I can do much of the work myself, so just need parts and some tuning... Cheers
@@КлиментЦонков yes, great in theory but unfortunately not so easy in practice... Well, certainly easier with diesels as there is less of an rpm spread than a petrol engine, so a smaller compressor is less likely to run out of puff, but then again a diesel can take more boost so you don't want to go too small. I'll be leaving the turbo selection to the experts on that matter!
I’d imagine it monitors the difference between cylinder and manifold pressure to calculate boost and then using those calculations it probably has a table that opens the valve right when the manifold moves out of vacuum and into boost.
I need a price on an OM606/605 fully @dieselpumpuk built engine with and HX40 kit on. I am from South Africa and I've been wanting to do this build for years. Do you mind giving me an estimate on how much the engine and all supplemental parts will cost all together. Shipping can be arranged. Thanks Luke for the content 🙏🏽
Back pressure is being increased temporarily(when it doesn't matter) to reduce lag when the when the pressure in the intake side is greater than the pressure on the exhaust side the valve opens and the back pressure created by the valve goes away. End result is the big turbo gets boost quicker with reduced lag. The downside is that the boost isn't going to be linear or gradual it's a problem for those who are inexperienced or don't expect it.
What the fuck there are easy to find in germany😂 i have two complete engines and both did cost under 500€ my first one is in the car rigth now (n/a) and my second engine is an turbo 606 on wich i mounted my k27 turbo just now😅. The next big expense is an superpump and then i have and superturbo engine incl. Turbo build for around 2k.
I've always been told that spooling an unloaded turbo (i.e. no cold side plumbing) was bad for the turbo because it's working against nothing and easy to overrev the center section. Have a fallen for an "old wives tale"? Either way it's a cool video! I dig those smaller diesels.
but QSV is compact size; example i have OM606 hx35 &hx55 compound, and no way i can fit HE351VGT and HX55 together in engineroom, but hx35 with QSV is nice, maybe with hx55 also, because it also make quieter car with low rpm highway, and i don't need install another silencer, save weight and turbo spool quicker, so WIN WIN!
Yes, I think as you, QSV must be fitted 180º , it must close the smaller turbine diameter, to leave all exhaust gasses move fast the turbine shaft, and this is made blowing air in the BIG DIAMETER, not to the small turbine diameter.Once time a bit of boost as 1 bar is made fast moving that BIG DIAMETER exhaust turbine (can be inducer in exhaust side?) this boost began to open the QSV, and exhaust gasses go also to small turbine diameter, to get more rpm=more boost. Years of playing with compressed air and a fan for example a electric radiator fan from a car, blowing air to the external diameter to move quickly the fan and then blowing air to the center of the fan blades, I´m car painter who likes engines.
@@chupacadaveres A twin scroll turbo mounted to a divided exhaust manifold, that's why you buy a twin scroll turbo from the beginning. Usually comes on boost about 500 rpm earlier than a regular turbo.
Love that relaxing song in the background
I want to see the boost pressure difference with the plumbing finished. Quick spool value open vs closed.
I want to see back pressure difference w/ valve open and closed.
And I’m wondering that if you use twin scroll/divided manifold and turbo, then when valve is closed, only 3 cylinder gases flows to the turbo.. Because the dividing. There’s no way to get both banks gases to flow in the turbine if the system is all the way divided.
Unless you use external wastegates to circle the flow from the closed side to open side.
And that’s just excessive hassle to the whole system.
Or am I missing something now. 🤔
Raising the boost pressure = fighting against restriction.
Raising manifold/exhaust back pressure = fighting against (flow) restriction.
There still is other ways to get quicker spool on diesels and the first thing is to toss every usual style manifold desings and using smaller exhaust housing or smaller/lighter turbine wheel, and there is allways nos, but that’s not very ideal for common dudes use.
The exhaust sides free flow is the key, and you get it with equal length runners and with a collector design that provides scavenging effect (like tri-Y).
Even with downpipe desing (like from 2014-2015 F1 cars, a short divider/enlargement part on the single downpipe, which creates scavenging effect) you can get good results.
The thing in every turbocharged engines is to get the exhaust flow free as possible. If you can’t scavenge the cylinders empty, you raise the cylinder pressure (and heat) and end up with a broken internals or head/headgasket.
You can see that thing happening on allmost every ”superturbo mercedes” like we call them here in Finland. Tuning these merc diesels is pioneered here, and we have been build hundreds of st mercs here from the beginning of 2000’s.
Still, people build them allways with the same old methods, and breaks those things all the time.
But people are so ignorant here and their attitude is like “this is like everyone else is doing” yet no one seems to learn nothing from the others or even from themselves. 🤦🏻♂️😂
If I had my own shop and equipment to build things in large scale, I would do ONLY research and development!
And yes, these guys does that too and I liked the cnc manifolds idea, but I would design it properly with equal length runners and similar collector parts.
And place the wastegate directly to the flow so there’s no possibility to boost creep.
Just my 2 c.
Real- quick spool is a VNT turbo....
I can make my turbo sing at idle like that.
@@Jubr123 the turbo is twin scroll but the manifold it a single large t4 opening, so all 6 link into one.
@@liamcooper5202 what is the point in destroying the sole purpose of a twinscroll
I wish you guys were around or I had known years ago. The throttle cable setup is what was hanging me up on my 240D swap
"Oh yeah, I understand" =Me when trying to explain anything vaguely technical to the other half.
Its also reversed when she describes anything to do with cooking, sewing, washing machine operation, and shoe shops. :D Good job she's tolerant.
After losing my w211 iv not seen any vids until now. I still miss her :(
You should have kept on looking
My fav sounding engine ever....
Sounds beautiful!
Super excited going to pick up a w210 with a om606 tomorrow here in the states 😁😁 can’t wait
Why would you not just use a VGT turbo? I know that they can be pressure controlled too as the come in that fashion of control on some alfas.
thebigsee I would think it's the amount of moving parts. I would think the miles you get out of one of these "gates" would be much more then a vgt.
And what happen with Boost pressure? With this valve improve some hp in low rpm? You guys are the best!
Nicolás P yes it’s designed to aid large turbos into spoiling up faster
@@DieselPumpUKthanks for answer! So its like a variable geometry turbo but more efficient in high revs than with variable geo? I mean something similar
@@nicolasp7395No it is not. A variable geometry turbo is something completely different. And the valve thing in the video is just useless, it is actually blocking airflow to the turbine.
Anders Steen well writen I belive it, no respond from punkUk
If there is a diesel I love it is the OM606. It's arguably the best sounding diesel.
Any two cycle detroit
Mitsubishi 4D56 straight piped sounds good too
I Want One Of These! That's The One Thing I Hated About Going Bigger Turbo. I'm Ok With The Lag But I Miss That Constant Whistle At Idle In Drive Parked With AC on haha. It Sounded Like A Diesel In My Turbo 3800 Eco Tech / L67 hahah
would you ever do a compound setup on a om606?
Subbed because of the newfie...love to have them around awesome dogs. Pretty cool turbo set up.
I'm just wondering about the wireline log truck. I didn't even know there was onshore oilfield in the UK. 🧐
lol i caught that too, work with the separators but seen alot of wireline trucks on the job
Nice, same as an FC rx7, you could really make them come on boost if you played with them.
Love these old diesels! 😁 I have a 2003 W211 E320 CDI on 112k and thinking of doing a turbo/intercooler/injector/remap upgrade before it gets too long in the tooth. Still need decent day to day and cruising economy but want double the power and torque, which I know they're capable of. What do you recommend and how much is it likely to cost? I can do much of the work myself, so just need parts and some tuning... Cheers
Just make sure to choose a turbo with perfectly sized compressor, so it can make hit boost at low rpm and carry it through the high rpm.
@@КлиментЦонков yes, great in theory but unfortunately not so easy in practice... Well, certainly easier with diesels as there is less of an rpm spread than a petrol engine, so a smaller compressor is less likely to run out of puff, but then again a diesel can take more boost so you don't want to go too small. I'll be leaving the turbo selection to the experts on that matter!
Would you hook that up to the turbo so once it builds enough boost it would open the valve on its own in high boost to lower drive pressure?
Holy moly, what a sound! So aggressive on the throttle! Wish i had a classic benz with this engine...
Name of the song? Very cool and relaxing too!
Que maravilla como suena ese motor , esa modificacion se puede hacer en un OM 613
WANT ONE. My LT35 SDI could come with one of these....SUBBED!!
Impressive !!! What RPM are you getting from these Diesel engines ?
Have you tested how much of a restriction the QSV is V no valve at higher rpm?.
On which pressure the actuator starts opening the flap?
I’d imagine it monitors the difference between cylinder and manifold pressure to calculate boost and then using those calculations it probably has a table that opens the valve right when the manifold moves out of vacuum and into boost.
hello, what are theese engines used for? racing?
This is an absolutely crazy sound!! #loveit
Would you build a yank dodge truck with a 606 conversion what budget would be needed 20 grand
What size exhaust housing is that. 16 Meby.
Hi, im interested in IMP:EMP with the valve on and off.
How well/bad would that work on a Gasoline engine???
Same principle applies.
Same concept, but slower part throttle response since the engine is throttling airflow into the engine.
I so want that w211 in the background she's a beaut
I need a price on an OM606/605 fully @dieselpumpuk built engine with and HX40 kit on. I am from South Africa and I've been wanting to do this build for years. Do you mind giving me an estimate on how much the engine and all supplemental parts will cost all together. Shipping can be arranged. Thanks Luke for the content 🙏🏽
Send me 40k pounds I'll happily sort it out for you and crate it.
Advice for so small amoud of smoke? Please
Have you guys fone anything with the om611 engines? Would be pretty interesting to see.
is this the injection pump of an om603 that you put on an om606 engine
Music sounds just as good as the Engine. What’s the name of the song?
Nicely done 👏
I watch your video's and always go ohhhhhh!!! or umm!!
Sounds awesome
What is the life expectancy of that vave?
What spools quickest? Hx35w with quickspool valve . Or hybrid turbo v2 ?
Darrel Peddie it would be the hybrid v2, a smaller turbo with less mass should always spool/respond faster.
VGT
why not just put a VGT turbo on it if its diesel?
So does this mean that with the QS valve I can run a larger turbine housing with reduced back pressure without excessive lag???
Back pressure is being increased temporarily(when it doesn't matter) to reduce lag when the when the pressure in the intake side is greater than the pressure on the exhaust side the valve opens and the back pressure created by the valve goes away. End result is the big turbo gets boost quicker with reduced lag. The downside is that the boost isn't going to be linear or gradual it's a problem for those who are inexperienced or don't expect it.
Who is building these engine ?
Where can we buy those plates?
Hello, can I do something with om 602 129 w210 dear?
wahooooo, it sounds so good !!
The intake manifold cost thks
Where can we source the valves ?
Is evry mod dangerous for om605 engine
I didn't know that the 10th doctor had a diesel engine powering his tardis!
wish these engines were not rare here in usa. I have an om617 just sitting
What to look for when trying to buy a w210 300d with an om606??
Chris Mckimmey to be honest nothing,
Rust.
Soo .. it's basically a 'BASS BOOST' button:D
This giveaway still happening before brexit 😂
Hugh Jarse June or July the 1st it says in the last video.
🥱
i want so badly such a diesel , but in germany they are so insanly hard to find and expensive when you find one
Really?
You should try to find one over here in America, I've been looking for one for 2 years with no luck.
OM606 engines are like Unicorns.
What the fuck there are easy to find in germany😂 i have two complete engines and both did cost under 500€ my first one is in the car rigth now (n/a) and my second engine is an turbo 606 on wich i mounted my k27 turbo just now😅. The next big expense is an superpump and then i have and superturbo engine incl. Turbo build for around 2k.
Try to found it in Poland
There in abundance in the uk and Ireland 👏😂
Seems just a restriction at full boost
I was thinking, damn, it sounds a lot like a mercedes diesel, then i read the title. :/ I feel dumb
Nice dog
bad ass i love it
So twinscroll function is dead...
I've always been told that spooling an unloaded turbo (i.e. no cold side plumbing) was bad for the turbo because it's working against nothing and easy to overrev the center section.
Have a fallen for an "old wives tale"?
Either way it's a cool video! I dig those smaller diesels.
the hot and cold side run at the same rpm, i cant imagine much of difference.
Not heard of this one personally, but in theory it makes sense, but I can't see it making too much of an issue.
Could so the same thing much more efficiently with a VGT.
but QSV is compact size; example i have OM606 hx35 &hx55 compound, and no way i can fit HE351VGT and HX55 together in engineroom, but hx35 with QSV is nice, maybe with hx55 also, because it also make quieter car with low rpm highway, and i don't need install another silencer, save weight and turbo spool quicker, so WIN WIN!
All amarica larg size pick up trucks with diesel have vgt turbos the are massivly more complicated then this
@@mddagati massive size = massive room under hood.
@@johanDIYbuilds Verry ture still have to half Disassemble the engine to get the turbo off the top
@@mddagati Not in reality. VGT works with just 4 wires.
Why quick spool valve closes this gate? Maybe he should be in the other direction?
Denis B.
Yes, I think as you, QSV must be fitted 180º , it must close the smaller turbine diameter, to leave all exhaust gasses move fast the turbine shaft, and this is made blowing air in the BIG DIAMETER, not to the small turbine diameter.Once time a bit of boost as 1 bar is made fast moving that BIG DIAMETER exhaust turbine (can be inducer in exhaust side?) this boost began to open the QSV, and exhaust gasses go also to small turbine diameter, to get more rpm=more boost. Years of playing with compressed air and a fan for example a electric radiator fan from a car, blowing air to the external diameter to move quickly the fan and then blowing air to the center of the fan blades, I´m car painter who likes engines.
Would this work for an M57 BMW engine?
In theory, it will work with any twin scroll housing turbo with an undivided manifold. Just a matter of plumbing and tuning really
Супер🤗🤗🤗🤗👍👍👍👍
On a true twin scroll divided manifold this will not work.
giuliettaevo that is correct
And what is best for spool? True twin scroll divided or the valve?
@@chupacadaveres i think the valve
@@chupacadaveres A twin scroll turbo mounted to a divided exhaust manifold, that's why you buy a twin scroll turbo from the beginning. Usually comes on boost about 500 rpm earlier than a regular turbo.
Cool
You resemble Thom Yorke from Radiohead
@DieselPumpUK Whats the song in the backround???? Really need to know it!!!
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯😳
Take the silencer ring out of the turbo
QSV fitted 180º in the wrong location.
Gets Rpm like gasoline engine
Hi
dude!
Oof that’s hot 🥵
Eh ... How to add turobo to my 2.4diesel mercedes W123 ...
first!!