Totodile was one of my earlier favorite starters. I never got any pokemon handle games until X&Y came out, but seeing Totodile, and having that chance I'm excited!! I loved Totodile in the anime so much it was dumb(then they gave me Treecko.. and that became my favorite starter ever.)
But keep in mind rowlet was introduced at the start of of gen 7 so like 2016, and legends arceus came out at the end of gen 8, which was 2022. So it wasn’t that recent
@@metamaxiswhat do you mean? Typhlosion & Decidueye had no Japanese influence until they got their Hisuian forms. Cinderace is a soccer player, & soccer has huge ties to all of Europe.
@@metamaxis Pretty sure they had no Japanese-specific relationship until they made the Hisuian Evolutions Other than Samurott being named after "Samurai"
But what if turtwig fairy/litten fighting/totodile steel. Fairy beats fighting beats steel, then you can reverse the triangle unless litten is fire/psycho or fire/ghost
I hope so cuz if these the starters and if I don’t like torterra they all getting boxed for a Kalos starter cuz Totodile and litten are some really mid picks
It after seeing a theory I do believe we will just be getting the Kalos starter based off the theory of more mega stones is due to the ultimate weapon firing a second time
@@jerrynelson3779did you say totodile, the single BEST johto starter, is MID? COMPARED TO WHAT? Totodile is a great pokemon, And definitely deserves some attention. It's also the single most popular gen2 starter. That's said, all 3 johto starters are monotype, making them perfect for New Forms.
No matter what anyone says, I am not going to settle on anything until its officially revealed. Having said that, all three are cool and it would be cool if we actually get these starters.
I'm normally inclined to agree, but this is an official TCG set, it also isn't the first time TCG's dropped some new pokemon before they were revealed normally, a few paradox mon were shown that way. A lot like with movie's plots, we can see how the next one's going to go by looking at the paper trail of the future projects. In this case, it's TCG release schedule.
Man, the only three starters on any PLA TCG sets were the hisui ones. This is as close to confirmation as it gets because Pokemon were the ones that design the TCG stuff. And they gotta get that stuff out sooner because TCG power creep sets.
@@metamaxisThe previous set with the Hissuian starters was released after the starters were revealed. Z-A will only release in 2025 and most likely in the later half, there's no way this is a sneak peak. They just grabbed three popular mons
Turtwig, Litten, and Totodile sounds like some Great Picks. Turtwig is probably gonna be my choice but that may change based on the designs and typing of the final stage evolutions
Interesting, I tend to go in without seeing the finals, love the discovery along the way. But that's the beauty of pokemon, we all do have our different ways of experiencing the games.
I’d have to see the final forms, but of the 3, Litten is my favorite. If I like a certain final evolution, I’ll go with that. If not, I’ll get a Litten and either jot evolve it or only evolve it into Torracat.
Hear me out: Torterra - Grass / Steel Inceneroar - Fire / Ground Totodile - Water / Fighting All of these are typing we haven't had for evolved starters yet (if I remember correctly) Edit: I commented this while half way through the video
If this is accurate, well... I could see these being the final form. Feraligatr: Water/Fighting. Look at the muscles. Inceneroar: Fire/Fairy. Theres a french legend about Fey Cats. Also, Puss in boots. Torterra: Grass/Steel. Because it completes the Type-effectiveness Circle. Fire>Grass>Water Fairy
I like the picks, and we actually have grass and water pegged as the same combos. The issue is with Fairy, Fire resists, steel, meaning a Fire-Fairy type isn't weak to steel.
I am thinking they may go this route, because of how much hate Incineroar got from being bipedal. They could make it fire/ground and make its ability prankster. It seems like a good mischievous sort of ability for a cat.
Imagine this variant of Incineroar is somehow broken in VGC than vanilla Incinaroar. Or just make it broken in singles so Incinaroar can rule the world!
I don't think it's likely to happen, I've got a video in the works going over this in greater detail, but all pokemon that are oppressive, to even just strong but not oppressive are on a very precarious edge. We saw from things like MegaChomper, a loss of just a few stat points all but obsoleted its existence. Base Incineroar had a very complex layering of factors that made it so strong in VGC, the likelihood of them being able to threat that needle again with a different type combo, since Dark-Fire is actually quite good especially defensively, something few other combos bar one really can match.
@@metamaxis yeah I figured that would be the case, it’s just funny to imagine it. Maybe we will get the Fire/Fighting Incinaroar we always knew he could be
Okay so I don’t think these are our starters. Here’s why. Legends Arceus came out January 28th, 2022. Astral Radiance, the card set that had the starters featured on the fun packs, released in Japan April 8th 2022 and internationally May 27th 2022. For astral radiance it makes sense that the starters are in there, it was a yet unreleased set with Hisuian pokemon featured in the set. It was based on Hisui. Thing is…Temporal Forces released earlier this year, January 26th/March 22nd 2024. It doesn’t feature any Kalosian pokemon because Z-A hasn’t released yet. It makes sense that the fun packs would feature Turtwig, Totodile, and Litten because the set has all three of those starter lines within them as their normal forms. This wouldn’t make sense at all for being the starters since this isn’t a Kalos based set. We’re looking for a set that releases soon after Z-A, not one that released a year prior. It will likely be two or so sets after Surging Sparks internationally, since that releases November of this year internationally. If Z-A does release in February I mean. If not then we’ve got like…another 4-6 expansions until the end of next year. We’ve got the Japanese Super Electric Breaker coming in October which seems to be part of the international set Surging Sparks, and then Battle Partners in January 2024. If we’ve got a February release for Z-A it’ll probably be the Japanese set after Battle Partners that we’ll find our starter Pokemon on the packaging of. :) Of course I’d love a Kalosian Litten but I’ve gotta burst everyone’s bubble here. Save your excitement for Japanese leaks of the set after Battle Partners at the soonest.
I don't believe for a second that a TCG wrapper means they aren't using Empoleon as a Starter in the _French_ Legends game. I'm still waiting for something official.
Serperior even more so. Just as Samurott was designed with Japanese culture, especially samurai in mind, the Regal grass snake pokemon is an allusion to Louis XIV of France.
I feel like Serperior, Empoleon and one of the other Fire Starters (not sure which would be French enough besides the already Kalosian Delphox) will have an Important Role in the game, but Not as Starter Pokémon. I see these Three as the Partners of either the Rival or Antagonist of the Game, with them obtaining the ability to achieve Mega Evolution (or possibly a New Evolution Type like it) as a Surprise when having to face it...
Your argument against Cinderace being the fire starter in ZA is kind of flawed. You say it's because we just recently got Cinderace in gen 8, but you forget that Legends Arceus had Decidueye as the grass starter and it was introduced in the gen prior to Arceus.
It's not just recency, there's one other larger part of is that I didn't include here be cause it's one, far more bullet proof, and more comprehensive in the exclusion.
A lot did, and largely why I didn't think it would have even been those two. Since they're too low hanging fruit. It's too obvious, and whenever 'leakers' make claims that quickly out at the gate, you can quickly dismiss them. Pokemon's been throwing curveballs, and I love it.
@metamaxis was talking to a group of friends and they're thinking whoever already had 7 star raids won't make the ZA club. So if that were the case, Scorbunny and Piplup are definitely cut. It's an interesting thing to go off of at least if that's the possible case.
If we see a raid for Chimchar or Snivy, then it's anyone's game. Litten is getting a raid so this could be debunked in terms of "ZA starter in raid could be last." Let's see those curveballs, Gamefreak
Massive unpopular opinion: But I really would like some official effort to give Chikortia another chance to shine. Plenty of fan games have gave it some redemption, and tbh I'd never pick it if I had a choice, but that's also the reason why I'd want to pick it
The thing is, it couldn't fix Meganium, even a mega wouldn't fix Maganium, because it wouldn't Meganium getting a stat bonus. That and to make a Chikorita evolution workable, it would need a massive change in it's statline, drop 5-10 from both defenses, 2 physical attack and maybe some speed and put that in special attack. MAYBE that'd help. But they've never done anything that drastic, its maybe 10 points for a variant's stat change.
@metamaxis I use meganium in OU and can do pretty good damage with it. Meganium isn't supposed to be an attacker. That's why people like cinder and newer mons bc they're fast and do massive amounts of damage. Meganium is supposed to be tanky and require thinking. It's supposed to be stall Mon. If they gave it fairy typing or even rock and give it flower veil, boost it's HP and defenses meganium could be liable. Even if they bring back aromatherapy again with flower veil it could be a great tanky support
Every starters almost always been offensive. If you look at them all, their highest stats are offenses, exception being Blastoise, Meganium, Snivy, our of a total of 27, they have always been offense.
A STRANGE THING TO NOTE: Both cyndaquil and totodile are from gen 2 Both Rowlet and Litten are from gen 7 And yet Oshawott (5) And Turtwig (4) Are distinct. Guys i really think they like gen 2 and 7
The gen 2 attention is definitely because they recognise the need to buff the gen 2 starters The gen 7 attention though is probably because those are the third members they keep having their “best” ideas for. They cooked with the Hisui trio, archer/swordsman/shaman, let’s hope they’re cooking with the Lumiose trio
Honestly i feel like totodile might be water/dark just for anime sake alone. Totodile is so sunny and cheery, him having an aggressive counterpart would be an interesting spin on the pokemon. If not that i could see him being water/dragon since the list of that combo is so small. And it would be a rare case in terms of being a starter.
Kalos' legendary trio are loosely based on Norse Mythology. Here's my input: Tortera could represent the World Tree Yggdrasil, Inceneroar could be based on Berserkers or Surtr, and Totodile could be based on Jormungandr. As for the typings, any would do fr. We still get to have the fire, water, grass typings.
Zygarde 50% is Jormundgandr. Totodile could reference the Jotuns and a new legendary for the missing part of Yggdrasill, Niddhogr. Personal I think that legendary would be an ice poison type with the levitate ability as the counter to the Aura Trio
Not....now it works. they made thousand arrows because it's go to way to hit flying pokemon, it's as simple as just they made a move that's unique to zygarde because its unique. The idea of ZA wasn't a thought in their eye a decade ago when XY was made.
It'd be funny, but Godzilla's amusingly weak to ice in his classical incarnations. It's why he was able to be put in hibernation in Godzilla Raids Again.
While I got into Pokemon with Kanto, Johto was always my childhood region because I turned 10 when it originally came out. Kalos became my favorite region as an adult so I will be very happy if Totodile is a starter choice. To play a starter from my favorite childhood region in my current favorite region will be really amazing. Even if I think Piplup was the obvious choice because of it's Napoleon background.
Think of things like this... wouldn't it make more sense for the Pokémon based on a Historical Villain of France to be the Partner of a Rival or Antagonist?
something i thought was interesting was that i saw a theory that incineroar could be a circus cat, or like a cat version of the man who gets shot out of a cannon in performances.
If we look to history, the eiffel tower was built for the paris universal exposition. The illumis tower could be in its building phase in the game, so we could see many people coming from other regions. This would give the opportunity to get starters from other regions as an exotic curiosity
Making totodile dragon isn’t overkill if they make the turtwig a steal type so he could counter the dragon typing but yes that does mean he gets a 4x weakness to fire
The issue isn't defensive on the grass starter, it's defensive on the water type. It's that it isn't just the triangle of the three starters, it's the starters and the rest of the region. It's the reason no starter has ever, or will, be sub-typed dragon. The water to be weak to all the grass types The fire weak to all the water types The grass weak to all the fire types. It's not so much an internal triangle thing, but external as well.
Legends ZA is an interestering. In addition to regional variants, because we are in the early stages of the region that introduced mega evolution, we are expecting them to re-introduce megas or something similar. Which means for the pokemon they decide to include, they may have a regional form, a mega, both, or neither.
The issue with that is twofold, Fairy-fire isn't weak to steel, and Water dragon isn't weak to grass, thus completely obsoleting the point of the starter type trio in the first place.
How do we know that the Final Evos of the Starters will even the be the same? Gen 9 introduced the concept of Split Evolutions based on Regional Variants. Technically, Pokemon Company never said when Z-A would release other than it would be in 2025. It's also possible that the cards are being released to stoke the flames of the hype, and not have anything to do with the release date of Z-A.
I think that an interesting idea could be a fairy varient of one of the starters, where they have been used as mascots so much they have evolved to be more marketable
The only reason those three starters are featured on the pack art is because the fun packs always include three random Pokemon, and those three happen to be in the set. Please fact-check before making a video like this and don't get your Pokemon news from Light
I think torterra could be grass/fairy with references to cherry blossoms. Totodile could be water/electric to symbolize godzilla, and incineroar fire/steel. I know the last one doesnt make much sense, but it ties into the point about france and steel, and it keeps the type triangle intact.
Grass/fairy Fire/steel? Water/Dragon Technically not a perfect type triangle but could definitely work(if totodile actually is water/dragon I’m definitely picking it if not then I have no clue)
Your idea would actually work and it's kind of sad that we got a Fairy type starter already when we haven't gotten a dragon yet. That being said, i would prefer that Chikorita gets the Grass/Fairy treatment with better stats but other than that this is the perfect type combos we have yet to get for starters.
Two issues, fairy-fire isn't weak to steel, and Dragon-water would obsolete the base type triangle, which is the point of those three starter types picked. The reason no starter's bee dragon is hands one member a default superiority. Mega Zard and Sceptile not withstanding, because those were introduced literal decades after first introduction of the starters, not to mention the associated point of fanservice.
As mentioned, a dragon starter as is present a problem on its own. That's the reason base Charizard wasn't made dragon back in gen 1. It hands a single member of the trio default superiority.
Would be pretty cool if turtwig’s regional variant was grass/dragon and going the design route of the tarasque, but then again that might be a little too OP outside of a mega.
Slight correction: it wouldn't make sense for a French Pokemon to be a tank, the British had the first successful tank in the Mk IV tank in around 1917
That is what a lot were thinking, largely because the influence of 'leakers' going for the most obvious ones, and people repeating that over the last six months. To the degree its become an almost accepted fact. but logically, why would they have two Pokémon based on different French rulers, and then sports.
@@metamaxis you're right. I like snivy and piplup. scorbunny is the obvious fire starter 2nd is Litten. But I'm not gonna be surprised if all of them are not. Whatever it is make sure one of the jhoto, unova and sinnoh.
Turtwig was my first ever starter pokemon. I’m so exited to bring my oldest partner on another adventure with me. I’ll have to do another playthrough with totodile though cause I love the Pokémon so much.
I think that Totodile would be Water and Dragon- Serpentine body Turtwig would be Grass and Fairy- Cherry blossom tree Litten would be Fire and Steel- Weight lifter
Those 3 make more sense snivy and Piplup where inspired based off french knight and napoleon and scorbunny is inspired by European football Also I was thinking of steel type would be great for snivy and ground type for would be for piplup and for scorbunny would get electric with its fire typing since bunny are quick creatures
So my predictions for the starters are: Snivy, for the elegance Cinderace since soccer is so big in France And finally piplup, because napoleon was French
I keep seeing people thinking these are our starters and while I would LOVE to use totodile in legends ZA - Astral radiance was the set that introduced hisuian pokemon to the pokemon tcg, that is why we have cyndaquil oshawott and rowlet on the fun pack or whatever the smaller packs are called. Temporal forced has literally nothing to do with legends ZA, and again while these starters would be awesome, there’s absolutely no real correlation with these three starters and legends ZA.
I predicted this pretty well idk how 💀 My logic was Hisui being Gen 4 Gen2 starter 2 gens before Gen 7 starter 3 gens after Gen 5 the gen after So I thought we’d get A Gen 4 A gen 9 💀 And a Gen 7
I don't think its anything as complex as that. It's actualyl a relatively simple reason those 3 were selected, because gen's 1, 3 and 6 were already off the table, both kalos' base starters, and regional megas would be a problem. gen 8 was off the table because regional GMax forms that left only 2, 4, 5 and 7. And with gen 5's likely remakes coming, that knocks 5 out.
They're probably holding off on news until a new console gets announced, or to leviate themselves from giving too much information like they did with Gen 9 which was mixed opinions at best.
for torterra I think we might see something like part fire ghost ice or fairy think about it. the main focal point of torterra is the ecosystem on its back. sure grass/steel rock ground makes sense on its current design and colors but that doesn't mean that's what they will make its regional form into. I think the design team is going to focus on the trees on its back and they could go anywhere from dead trees and gravestones(ghost), trees on fire(fire), icy trees(ice), or flowers and some cherry blossom tree(fairy)
I'm torn between Toto and Terry D: I want them both. I agree with you that the typings may come out like one of those combinations, they seem the most logical, but honestly I'm hoping for something like Grass/Fairy, Fire/Steel, and Water/Ground. I know I'm taking this a step farther with this one too, but I can't help but think that if they are starting a pattern, the types of these starters COULD be a hint at what types the starters from gen 10 are going have, even if mixed up a little
I know most were hoping for that, but I think that's the common community repeated mantra speaking. Every since ZA's been announced that's the line people have been repeating and hyping up, much like with Piplup. While it would make the most sense, it also would be the most obvious. And that's something Game Freak seems to want to steer away from. As a two fold means of one discrediting 'leakers' who have said that for months, as well as keep from just having the set of three starters from PLZA be from the same regions as PLA, Alola, Johto, Unova for PLA, two repeats here with Alola-Johto-Sinnoh.
I think that's the crux of the issue. A bit of wanting something to be true. I would love to see Snivy get something in the game, it's special to me for reasons that are hard to explain, but it was a friend of mine's favorite, and I won't go further. But there is a point of needing to separate hopes and wants for something, from what is the best evidence so far about it's outcomes. I hope we get something for Snivy, but there isn't much in its favor that aren't equally as attributable to others that didn't make it.
I would be unbelievably excited if we are getting another version of Feraligatr! The line has been missing from so many games in the newer generations and I've been missing my little gators so bad.
I think it was a smart choice on GF's part not to go with Piplup, if this is the case. I will also say I'm a bit Biased to piplup, it was the first starter I ever picked. Two main reasons one being it was too obvious, it was a great way to discredit ''leakers' because most of their thoughts tend to be predictive guesswork, something the last year and change has showed to be the case. And the second being they already have limited starter slots to pick from, if they went piplup, it would knock Twig out of consideration, leaving chiko, Serp (already a low hanging fruit that goes hand in hand with the first reason), Chesnaught (a base kalos starter) Deci, who already got a variant, Rilla, and two grass starters who already have megas. Realistically, there were only 3 picks, Twig, Snivy, Chiko. It gives the a lot more flexibility
If Turtwig becomes a grass/rock type then it'll be the first grass/rock since since Lileep and Cradily, the only other one they've ever introduced being very recent, which is Ogerpon's cornerstone mask variant. It's a very unique typing since both grass and rock have 5 weaknesses, but putting them together you actually only get 4 weaknesses left, since a lot of their resistances nullify each other.
I don’t even think it’s 100 percent guaranteed that these starters will even have a regional variant evolution. With mega evolution being back. Really I can see them just getting mega forms and not regional
Like with any recent starters, I need to see final evos and typings. I chose Totodile and Litten during their respective generations. Totodile was selected for 2 reasons. A. Least amount of weaknesses defensively B. I like Crocs/Gators visually. Litten was chosen cuz of my adoration for cats great or small. Plus I use mainly 👻, 🌑(dark), and 🧚♀️ types. I hope the type combos of these LZ-A starters will be fun. This is a long winded way to say I'm undecided. 🤣
I think the original greninja for that occupies a similar place as the Original Unova dragon. It's a throwaway line for backstory on something, but it was never intended to actually be made. Much like also with Arceus stating it's a piece of the actual Arceus. The other part is that's from the anime, and the anime takes....many liberties with it's telling of things. See Thunder Armor from gen 3. It's likely it was never something they ever intended to explore, especially since it is anime-exclusive, it was never mentioned within the games, leaving it already twice removed. Even further since the Ash Greninja form's actually been removed for the stat boost. It might be officially retired.
@@metamaxis ok I understand but what if we actually work with the first hero grenninja to stop the villain in the game if that happens every pokefan would die of excitement
Not so sure on that either. Greninja's much like Charizard, and Lucario, at this point. It's a love or hate pokemon, largely because greninja gets special treatment, and many people are tired of it like with those others. I know personally if they do that, I won't be buying the game since my biggest issue of the original Kalos games was the enforced fanservice at the expense of the game itself, and this would be a repeat of that. On top of that backstory was still an invention of the anime. It has no explanation in the games because it was just porting in a form from the anime, like with the ash cap pikachu set. As well as even within the anime it's implied to be significantly older than the 160 years in the past PLZA is to be set.
Really wanted Snivy, and if not him then Chikorita, those two really deserve some love. But Turtwig is fine! I already know that I want to use Fennekin (assuming it'll be available in the wild) so it'll just be a toss up between the Water and Grass starters for me LOL. Great video!
Litten is actually pretty special to me as well. For a good...5 years I actually cut myself off from the pokemon community, and came back when UMUS came out, and the first pokemon I picked after a self imposed 5 year exile, was Litten.
So, two of the starters are the same animal as and supereffective against two of the Paldean starters. Sadly, they don't have another grass type bird since they used Rowlet in Hisui.
To be fair, there is a finite number of animals the starters are. There's been a number of bird, lizard, and cats. And had we gotten Treecko Charmander, or snivy, people would have said another reptile starter. It's a bit of a no win situation.
I agree. But I also know that there will be people who will see that, and jump on it as a chance to bemoan the games, rather than just enjoy them as we used to.
That was a misspeak, it's why I corrected myself after saying Galar. But yes, Meowscarada is a joke to me, long standing banter with a fellow creator. .
Inciniroar as fire fighting for the french knights, would water dark for french navy, grass and rock for the alps. Of course torterra looking like americas doom turtle tank would be meme worthy
If that is the new trio, it’s really odd to me that Gen 2 and 7 get starter representation twice in a row. Turtwig and Torterra are some of my favourite Pokémon, but having another Gen 2, and another Gen 7, I feel Snivy should have been paired in with the trio to give another Gen 5. I don’t know, but that trio feels a little off to me, although the three are pretty cool picks anyway.
I think it's unlikely Mega incineroar, even if it is to both exist in ZA, and return in gen 10, wouldn't be as dangerous as we think it would be. As mentioned, it's because a lot of factors that Base Alolan Incin's a menace. It's great statline (letting people invest EVs into bulk, rather than attack and speed), it's typing diving it lots of neutrals and resists to common types, but principally it's intimidate access, ability to hold an items (generally a healing berry) and that dark typing. In a similar way to mega garchomp, if you just shift any of that, ever so slightly, it comes toppling down. MegaChomper list 10 speed, just 10 points, and that rendered it all but obsolete. We already know if it's ported into Main line games, it's item slot will be consumed, so Incin's biggest boon which is its ability to gain health back with a big Berry or Sitrius/Leftovers is already off the table. As also know it's going to have a different typing combination, taking another part off the table. Furthermore, all regional variant starters have a different ability than their original. they're probably doing a Kalosian Incin because they know people love the mon, but hate fighting original incin, so making a regional variant that's less overpowered can keep the love, but not ruin the enjoyment.
I gotta say my choice will probably be turtwig. He's my favorite of the 3. I'd be happy with any triangle, but honestly I'm kinda hoping they go for one that doesn't have a fighting type, because like 6/10 starter triangles have fighting types in them and while they're usually cool, it's getting kinda dull (Same with ghost but not to the same degree)
We've got a project on this in the works. But a hypothetical mega incin would actually be a complete joke. It wouldn't have any of the things that actually make incin good, namely no held item.
Personally, I'm thinking that this theory isnt going to hold water (i wouldnt mind it) simply because two of the three starters share a generation with the legends arceus starters(totodile and cyndaquil = johto, litten and rowlet = alola respectively). If they were going to go that route they may as well make snivy the grass option.
We've got somethign in the works on why there are only actually 4 regions to pick starters from in this case. there's a lot of things that automatically knock out 5 other gens, most of those being the same reasons the PLA starters were picked.
Totodile is a monster of a Pokemon in the series and is one of my favorite starters due its good move pool around it, if these are the starters for Z-A. My pick is Totodile for Z-A. Cyndaquil was my starter in Legends Arceus.
I feel like this one is going to bring a water/steel in totodile, a grass/poison with tirtwig, and fire/psychic with the litten Or they could do match typing with the original kalosian starters and put a very unique spin on torterra with a fighting typing, but that is Very very unlikely Edit: I think they should have swapped litten for Tepig and Totodile is such a strong choice I can't be mad at it. I will say, however, that it would have been cool to see a regional form of empoleon especially in a French themed region
My thoughts are that it could be that the second typing is also weak to the type it’s already weak to - so Grass/Steel, Fire/Ground, Water/Rock something like that
I'm a simple man. I see Totodile as a starter option, I pick him
Unfathomable based.
Chad discovered, friendship established.
Same, My first ever Starter on Pokemon Crystal 😅 have always been my favorite ever since
Totodile was one of my earlier favorite starters. I never got any pokemon handle games until X&Y came out, but seeing Totodile, and having that chance I'm excited!! I loved Totodile in the anime so much it was dumb(then they gave me Treecko.. and that became my favorite starter ever.)
Yes!!!!
Same! Totodile and Mudkip are my personal favorites
Wolfey gonna be seething when incineroar gets a mega evolution💀
and then uses it to win the biggest tournament of all time
Ah shuckle
Oh god don’t let Incineroar evolve 😭
he's been joking about that for a bit. the irony is too real
😂😂😂😂😂
I don’t think recency is a problem because rowlet was a legends arceus starter one gen after it was introduced
A very good point, though it is worth noting all of the Legends Arceus starters were starters with some element of japanese specific relation to them.
But keep in mind rowlet was introduced at the start of of gen 7 so like 2016, and legends arceus came out at the end of gen 8, which was 2022. So it wasn’t that recent
@@metamaxiswhat do you mean? Typhlosion & Decidueye had no Japanese influence until they got their Hisuian forms. Cinderace is a soccer player, & soccer has huge ties to all of Europe.
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Pretty sure they had no Japanese-specific relationship until they made the Hisuian Evolutions
Other than Samurott being named after "Samurai"
@@braydenleaderofthetirkins1143My good sir, I can agree on Rowlet's line, but Typhlosion's is in Johto, the region right next to Hissui!
Imagine fralagator being water electric and having an electric move based on godzillas' atomic breath.
Holy Frick based.
Absolutely would e 100% for.
Or Water Dragon too
Back when they made delta species pokemon card. Tododile line has an electric typing card line
banking all my prayers for your wish
If that was the case I’m automatically picking it up
I can see incineroar becoming a musketeer, because a Pokémon puss in boots would be awesome😂
Hadn't thought of that, now that'd be interesting. Incineroar with a sword.
Equally amusing, and horrifying.
@spiderlord19b You are definitely on to something....
I just hope they adjust its design a bit.
Lol
So Fire/Steel type?
YOU MEAN IM GETTING A REGIONAL OF MY FAVORITE STARTER LINE??? FUCKING TOTODILE BABY, YOU NEVER FORGET YOUR FIRST
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@@JohnPizzapasta Turtwig for me
Crossing my Fingers for a Puss in Boots Incineroar, Fire/Fairy.
Turtwig as a cherry blossom would be cool, grass/fairy but it wouldn’t make much sense
That'd be quite a sight.
But what if turtwig fairy/litten fighting/totodile steel. Fairy beats fighting beats steel, then you can reverse the triangle unless litten is fire/psycho or fire/ghost
Nah, I hope Snivy is a Starter. It's Kalosian by birthright.
WHEN I SAW THINK I INSTANTLY THOUGHT OF INSURGENTS
Meganium cant gave anything over here i swear
Joe confirmed these himself, they are not leaks, they did the hisui starters once they had been revealed, they just do a trio of 3 popular mons
I hope so cuz if these the starters and if I don’t like torterra they all getting boxed for a Kalos starter cuz Totodile and litten are some really mid picks
It after seeing a theory I do believe we will just be getting the Kalos starter based off the theory of more mega stones is due to the ultimate weapon firing a second time
And the city is fully developed more then it was previously
@@jerrynelson3779did you say totodile, the single BEST johto starter, is MID? COMPARED TO WHAT? Totodile is a great pokemon, And definitely deserves some attention.
It's also the single most popular gen2 starter. That's said, all 3 johto starters are monotype, making them perfect for New Forms.
Well, the Ultimate weapon only fired a single time.
It was first used to Rez the Floette, but after then it was converted into the weapon
No matter what anyone says, I am not going to settle on anything until its officially revealed. Having said that, all three are cool and it would be cool if we actually get these starters.
I'm normally inclined to agree, but this is an official TCG set, it also isn't the first time TCG's dropped some new pokemon before they were revealed normally, a few paradox mon were shown that way.
A lot like with movie's plots, we can see how the next one's going to go by looking at the paper trail of the future projects. In this case, it's TCG release schedule.
Man, the only three starters on any PLA TCG sets were the hisui ones. This is as close to confirmation as it gets because Pokemon were the ones that design the TCG stuff. And they gotta get that stuff out sooner because TCG power creep sets.
@@metamaxisThe previous set with the Hissuian starters was released after the starters were revealed. Z-A will only release in 2025 and most likely in the later half, there's no way this is a sneak peak. They just grabbed three popular mons
@@tpfoxCastro they just grabbed 3 random starters one of each type, riiiiiiggt.
Totodile pleasee
Turtwig, Litten, and Totodile sounds like some Great Picks. Turtwig is probably gonna be my choice but that may change based on the designs and typing of the final stage evolutions
Interesting, I tend to go in without seeing the finals, love the discovery along the way.
But that's the beauty of pokemon, we all do have our different ways of experiencing the games.
I’d have to see the final forms, but of the 3, Litten is my favorite. If I like a certain final evolution, I’ll go with that. If not, I’ll get a Litten and either jot evolve it or only evolve it into Torracat.
Totodile would probably be mine but yea can change based on final evolution
Wolfe Glick shitting his pants at the prospect of a Mega Incineroar
Hear me out:
Torterra - Grass / Steel
Inceneroar - Fire / Ground
Totodile - Water / Fighting
All of these are typing we haven't had for evolved starters yet (if I remember correctly)
Edit: I commented this while half way through the video
Man literally said all those lol.
And we've already had Water-Fighting, Quack Quack thing.
Amusingly, these are what I proposed as what I think are most likely.
But we have had a water fighting type, Quaquaval, But the others are free.
Water/dragon would be really cool too for totodile
The issue is that would destroy the starter type triangle.
Yeah, but, this is the Legends format
The devs seem to have more freedom to innovate & do some fun stuff
If this is accurate, well...
I could see these being the final form.
Feraligatr: Water/Fighting. Look at the muscles.
Inceneroar: Fire/Fairy. Theres a french legend about Fey Cats. Also, Puss in boots.
Torterra: Grass/Steel. Because it completes the Type-effectiveness Circle.
Fire>Grass>Water
Fairy
I like the picks, and we actually have grass and water pegged as the same combos.
The issue is with Fairy, Fire resists, steel, meaning a Fire-Fairy type isn't weak to steel.
turn incineroar into a quadraped sabre tooth tiger
@@shivamshirodkar7540that would look sick
Also the evos would keep being quadrupedal
@@metamaxisThis. Like anyone needs to have another Incineroar just negate an intended
Imagine if the regional inceneroar is a quadruped, like a larger Torracat
A dream come true 🙏
I hope so…My issue isn’t that Incinaroar is on two legs because I LOVE Meowscarada….It’s just that Incinaroar is GOD AWFUL UGLY
he skipped leg day
Please man i absolutely hate that inceniroar is just bipedal furry
I am thinking they may go this route, because of how much hate Incineroar got from being bipedal. They could make it fire/ground and make its ability prankster. It seems like a good mischievous sort of ability for a cat.
Imagine this variant of Incineroar is somehow broken in VGC than vanilla Incinaroar. Or just make it broken in singles so Incinaroar can rule the world!
I don't think it's likely to happen, I've got a video in the works going over this in greater detail, but all pokemon that are oppressive, to even just strong but not oppressive are on a very precarious edge.
We saw from things like MegaChomper, a loss of just a few stat points all but obsoleted its existence. Base Incineroar had a very complex layering of factors that made it so strong in VGC, the likelihood of them being able to threat that needle again with a different type combo, since Dark-Fire is actually quite good especially defensively, something few other combos bar one really can match.
@@metamaxis yeah I figured that would be the case, it’s just funny to imagine it. Maybe we will get the Fire/Fighting Incinaroar we always knew he could be
@@metamaxis Mega Incinaroar :)
Okay so I don’t think these are our starters. Here’s why.
Legends Arceus came out January 28th, 2022. Astral Radiance, the card set that had the starters featured on the fun packs, released in Japan April 8th 2022 and internationally May 27th 2022. For astral radiance it makes sense that the starters are in there, it was a yet unreleased set with Hisuian pokemon featured in the set. It was based on Hisui. Thing is…Temporal Forces released earlier this year, January 26th/March 22nd 2024. It doesn’t feature any Kalosian pokemon because Z-A hasn’t released yet. It makes sense that the fun packs would feature Turtwig, Totodile, and Litten because the set has all three of those starter lines within them as their normal forms. This wouldn’t make sense at all for being the starters since this isn’t a Kalos based set. We’re looking for a set that releases soon after Z-A, not one that released a year prior. It will likely be two or so sets after Surging Sparks internationally, since that releases November of this year internationally. If Z-A does release in February I mean. If not then we’ve got like…another 4-6 expansions until the end of next year. We’ve got the Japanese Super Electric Breaker coming in October which seems to be part of the international set Surging Sparks, and then Battle Partners in January 2024. If we’ve got a February release for Z-A it’ll probably be the Japanese set after Battle Partners that we’ll find our starter Pokemon on the packaging of. :)
Of course I’d love a Kalosian Litten but I’ve gotta burst everyone’s bubble here. Save your excitement for Japanese leaks of the set after Battle Partners at the soonest.
I don't believe for a second that a TCG wrapper means they aren't using Empoleon as a Starter in the _French_ Legends game. I'm still waiting for something official.
Serperior even more so. Just as Samurott was designed with Japanese culture, especially samurai in mind, the Regal grass snake pokemon is an allusion to Louis XIV of France.
I feel like Serperior, Empoleon and one of the other Fire Starters (not sure which would be French enough besides the already Kalosian Delphox) will have an Important Role in the game, but Not as Starter Pokémon. I see these Three as the Partners of either the Rival or Antagonist of the Game, with them obtaining the ability to achieve Mega Evolution (or possibly a New Evolution Type like it) as a Surprise when having to face it...
@@lianaverwood9810 Imagine having to fight an Empoleon conquering its way through Kalos, lol.
Your argument against Cinderace being the fire starter in ZA is kind of flawed. You say it's because we just recently got Cinderace in gen 8, but you forget that Legends Arceus had Decidueye as the grass starter and it was introduced in the gen prior to Arceus.
It's not just recency, there's one other larger part of is that I didn't include here be cause it's one, far more bullet proof, and more comprehensive in the exclusion.
I'm obligated to pick Litten 🎉 I called Litten a while ago plus a certain someone uses incineroar.
can’t tell if you’re talking about kieran or wolfey
@@noodlegunn7946 lol Kieran
Yeah as a VGC player this seems like an obligation at this point lol.
Expected Snivy and Piplup, but the lineup isn't bad if this is true.
A lot did, and largely why I didn't think it would have even been those two. Since they're too low hanging fruit. It's too obvious, and whenever 'leakers' make claims that quickly out at the gate, you can quickly dismiss them.
Pokemon's been throwing curveballs, and I love it.
@metamaxis was talking to a group of friends and they're thinking whoever already had 7 star raids won't make the ZA club. So if that were the case, Scorbunny and Piplup are definitely cut. It's an interesting thing to go off of at least if that's the possible case.
If we see a raid for Chimchar or Snivy, then it's anyone's game. Litten is getting a raid so this could be debunked in terms of "ZA starter in raid could be last." Let's see those curveballs, Gamefreak
Massive unpopular opinion:
But I really would like some official effort to give Chikortia another chance to shine. Plenty of fan games have gave it some redemption, and tbh I'd never pick it if I had a choice, but that's also the reason why I'd want to pick it
The thing is, it couldn't fix Meganium, even a mega wouldn't fix Maganium, because it wouldn't Meganium getting a stat bonus.
That and to make a Chikorita evolution workable, it would need a massive change in it's statline, drop 5-10 from both defenses, 2 physical attack and maybe some speed and put that in special attack. MAYBE that'd help. But they've never done anything that drastic, its maybe 10 points for a variant's stat change.
@metamaxis I use meganium in OU and can do pretty good damage with it. Meganium isn't supposed to be an attacker. That's why people like cinder and newer mons bc they're fast and do massive amounts of damage. Meganium is supposed to be tanky and require thinking. It's supposed to be stall Mon. If they gave it fairy typing or even rock and give it flower veil, boost it's HP and defenses meganium could be liable. Even if they bring back aromatherapy again with flower veil it could be a great tanky support
Every starters almost always been offensive.
If you look at them all, their highest stats are offenses, exception being Blastoise, Meganium, Snivy, our of a total of 27, they have always been offense.
Totodile isn't my favorite starter, but it is a water-type, so I'm contempleting picking that one, if this is the starters we get.
I think Empoleon, Serperior and Cinderace are the best French representation, but Litten also is fine.
They aren’t going to cause it’s the most obvious for regional forms
Im (if the starters are the one mentioned) defo picking totodile
Eh kinda depends what there final evos look like for me cause right now I’m doin turtwig because I plan to use Blaziken on my team
A STRANGE THING TO NOTE:
Both cyndaquil and totodile are from gen 2
Both Rowlet and Litten are from gen 7
And yet Oshawott (5) And Turtwig (4) Are distinct.
Guys i really think they like gen 2 and 7
Less they like gen 2 and 7 and more because other factors we'll be covering in a later video, it excludes about 5 gens.
@@metamaxis Fair, Gen 2 is honestly one of the gens that need more attention
The gen 2 attention is definitely because they recognise the need to buff the gen 2 starters
The gen 7 attention though is probably because those are the third members they keep having their “best” ideas for.
They cooked with the Hisui trio, archer/swordsman/shaman, let’s hope they’re cooking with the Lumiose trio
A regional variant wouldn't buff the gen 2 starters, it's introducing a new pokemon, not a gen 2 pokemon.
I could see a fire/fairy Incineroar leaning into a ballet dancer esthetic
This isnt an actual leak, fun packs will normally have three starters on that pack, as they are in the set.
Honestly i feel like totodile might be water/dark just for anime sake alone. Totodile is so sunny and cheery, him having an aggressive counterpart would be an interesting spin on the pokemon. If not that i could see him being water/dragon since the list of that combo is so small. And it would be a rare case in terms of being a starter.
Its a nonexistant combo for starters because it on its own obsoletes the type triangle.
We already have Dark paired with every primary Starter type. No more please 😭🙏
Torterra=grass/dragon
Incineroar=fire/fairy
Feraligtr = water/electric
Kalos' legendary trio are loosely based on Norse Mythology.
Here's my input: Tortera could represent the World Tree Yggdrasil, Inceneroar could be based on Berserkers or Surtr, and Totodile could be based on Jormungandr.
As for the typings, any would do fr. We still get to have the fire, water, grass typings.
Well, the world tree is already Xerneas. But I love the thinking
Zygarde 50% is Jormundgandr. Totodile could reference the Jotuns and a new legendary for the missing part of Yggdrasill, Niddhogr. Personal I think that legendary would be an ice poison type with the levitate ability as the counter to the Aura Trio
Issue is that Thousand arrows bypasses levitate.
@@metamaxis exactly. Zygarde developed thousand arrows because of this new legendary. Lore wise at least
Not....now it works. they made thousand arrows because it's go to way to hit flying pokemon, it's as simple as just they made a move that's unique to zygarde because its unique. The idea of ZA wasn't a thought in their eye a decade ago when XY was made.
7:50 correction, paldea has a dark starter, Meowscarada
I said there's a dark starter been introduced every gen other than Galar since Gen 6. that includes Meowscrada
@@metamaxis you said "except for Paldea" as well
And right after I corrected myself.
Water/Ice type Feraligatr that's Godzilla themed, with an ice signature move that causes burns as a form of ice type Scald would be hilarious.
It'd be funny, but Godzilla's amusingly weak to ice in his classical incarnations. It's why he was able to be put in hibernation in Godzilla Raids Again.
Except we already have a Godzilla-inspired ice-type Pokémon in Baxcalibur.
Fuck man I neeed
And we already have an Ice type move that causes burn.
Interesting. At least in current form, these three are all more physical based Pokémon.
I can see Turtwig getting Grass/Steel evo, Litten getting Fire/Electric or Fire/Ground evo and Totodile having Water/Fighting or Water/Rock evo
I could see this, especially since they would be 4x weak to each other lol
@@spencelavernyea lol
While I got into Pokemon with Kanto, Johto was always my childhood region because I turned 10 when it originally came out. Kalos became my favorite region as an adult so I will be very happy if Totodile is a starter choice. To play a starter from my favorite childhood region in my current favorite region will be really amazing. Even if I think Piplup was the obvious choice because of it's Napoleon background.
The napoleon things why its not getting picked, it's too obvious.
Typhlosion enjoyer here I need totodile regional variant
Think of things like this... wouldn't it make more sense for the Pokémon based on a Historical Villain of France to be the Partner of a Rival or Antagonist?
@@maxwellkane9555 exactly what i said hes too obvious to make a design off of
something i thought was interesting was that i saw a theory that incineroar could be a circus cat, or like a cat version of the man who gets shot out of a cannon in performances.
If we look to history, the eiffel tower was built for the paris universal exposition. The illumis tower could be in its building phase in the game, so we could see many people coming from other regions. This would give the opportunity to get starters from other regions as an exotic curiosity
Making totodile dragon isn’t overkill if they make the turtwig a steal type so he could counter the dragon typing but yes that does mean he gets a 4x weakness to fire
The issue isn't defensive on the grass starter, it's defensive on the water type. It's that it isn't just the triangle of the three starters, it's the starters and the rest of the region.
It's the reason no starter has ever, or will, be sub-typed dragon.
The water to be weak to all the grass types
The fire weak to all the water types
The grass weak to all the fire types.
It's not so much an internal triangle thing, but external as well.
Legends ZA is an interestering.
In addition to regional variants, because we are in the early stages of the region that introduced mega evolution, we are expecting them to re-introduce megas or something similar.
Which means for the pokemon they decide to include, they may have a regional form, a mega, both, or neither.
It’s gonna be fire fairy, grass steel, and water dragon
The issue with that is twofold, Fairy-fire isn't weak to steel, and Water dragon isn't weak to grass, thus completely obsoleting the point of the starter type trio in the first place.
How do we know that the Final Evos of the Starters will even the be the same? Gen 9 introduced the concept of Split Evolutions based on Regional Variants.
Technically, Pokemon Company never said when Z-A would release other than it would be in 2025. It's also possible that the cards are being released to stoke the flames of the hype, and not have anything to do with the release date of Z-A.
I think that an interesting idea could be a fairy varient of one of the starters, where they have been used as mascots so much they have evolved to be more marketable
The only reason those three starters are featured on the pack art is because the fun packs always include three random Pokemon, and those three happen to be in the set. Please fact-check before making a video like this and don't get your Pokemon news from Light
I think torterra could be grass/fairy with references to cherry blossoms. Totodile could be water/electric to symbolize godzilla, and incineroar fire/steel. I know the last one doesnt make much sense, but it ties into the point about france and steel, and it keeps the type triangle intact.
Grass/fairy
Fire/steel?
Water/Dragon
Technically not a perfect type triangle but could definitely work(if totodile actually is water/dragon I’m definitely picking it if not then I have no clue)
Your idea would actually work and it's kind of sad that we got a Fairy type starter already when we haven't gotten a dragon yet. That being said, i would prefer that Chikorita gets the Grass/Fairy treatment with better stats but other than that this is the perfect type combos we have yet to get for starters.
Two issues, fairy-fire isn't weak to steel, and Dragon-water would obsolete the base type triangle, which is the point of those three starter types picked.
The reason no starter's bee dragon is hands one member a default superiority. Mega Zard and Sceptile not withstanding, because those were introduced literal decades after first introduction of the starters, not to mention the associated point of fanservice.
As mentioned, a dragon starter as is present a problem on its own. That's the reason base Charizard wasn't made dragon back in gen 1. It hands a single member of the trio default superiority.
Would be pretty cool if turtwig’s regional variant was grass/dragon and going the design route of the tarasque, but then again that might be a little too OP outside of a mega.
This is fake. The pack art shown was on a pack of the Temporal Forces set and that pack art is nowhere to be found in the pool of official pack arts.
Slight correction: it wouldn't make sense for a French Pokemon to be a tank, the British had the first successful tank in the Mk IV tank in around 1917
Yes, but it was first used in France, which is what I said.
Great but I'm guessing snivy, scorbunny and piplup
That is what a lot were thinking, largely because the influence of 'leakers' going for the most obvious ones, and people repeating that over the last six months. To the degree its become an almost accepted fact.
but logically, why would they have two Pokémon based on different French rulers, and then sports.
@@metamaxis you're right. I like snivy and piplup. scorbunny is the obvious fire starter 2nd is Litten. But I'm not gonna be surprised if all of them are not. Whatever it is make sure one of the jhoto, unova and sinnoh.
@@metamaxis You make a good point but this is the Pokémon universe. Logic is rarely important in decisions.
Turtwig was my first ever starter pokemon. I’m so exited to bring my oldest partner on another adventure with me. I’ll have to do another playthrough with totodile though cause I love the Pokémon so much.
TOTODILE LETS GO!!!!!
No thoughts, head empty.
Only chomp.
I think that
Totodile would be Water and Dragon- Serpentine body
Turtwig would be Grass and Fairy- Cherry blossom tree
Litten would be Fire and Steel- Weight lifter
One, dragon would destroy the type triangle, and cherry blossoms are more a Japanese thing than french
@@metamaxis oh well i thought they were good ideas
I believe it's Scorbunny, Snivy, Totodile, or Empoleon.
I hope so cuz these picks in video I hate with a burning passion
I’d be fine if totodile gets in
Those 3 make more sense snivy and Piplup where inspired based off french knight and napoleon and scorbunny is inspired by European football
Also I was thinking of steel type would be great for snivy and ground type for would be for piplup and for scorbunny would get electric with its fire typing since bunny are quick creatures
@@animefangirlj6073 scorbunny is a issue due to gmax problems but piplup and empoleon are too obvious
It's been leaked! and I was right! LMFAOOO
I think it's because you can get all of those starters in temporal forces...
So my predictions for the starters are:
Snivy, for the elegance
Cinderace since soccer is so big in France
And finally piplup, because napoleon was French
if it's my boy totodile water type all the way
Litten being a fire fighting type would in this game would be fitting since it could be reference to the french fighting style savate
We need a treeko starter
I think that's unlikely at least for the issue of potentially introducing a regional mega variant.
@metamaxis no I say it can fit with the it starting with the letter "T" they all start with a T
Litten doesn't start with a T though?
I keep seeing people thinking these are our starters and while I would LOVE to use totodile in legends ZA - Astral radiance was the set that introduced hisuian pokemon to the pokemon tcg, that is why we have cyndaquil oshawott and rowlet on the fun pack or whatever the smaller packs are called. Temporal forced has literally nothing to do with legends ZA, and again while these starters would be awesome, there’s absolutely no real correlation with these three starters and legends ZA.
Paldea does have a dark type starter actually. Meowscarada
I know, I said Galar was the only one to not have a dark starter since gen 6. That includes Paldea.
was psyched about litten, then you said totodile and I screamed, I can't wait! my first ever starter, I love that little guy.
I predicted this pretty well idk how 💀
My logic was
Hisui being Gen 4
Gen2 starter 2 gens before
Gen 7 starter 3 gens after
Gen 5 the gen after
So I thought we’d get
A Gen 4
A gen 9 💀
And a Gen 7
I don't think its anything as complex as that.
It's actualyl a relatively simple reason those 3 were selected, because gen's 1, 3 and 6 were already off the table, both kalos' base starters, and regional megas would be a problem. gen 8 was off the table because regional GMax forms
that left only 2, 4, 5 and 7. And with gen 5's likely remakes coming, that knocks 5 out.
They're probably holding off on news until a new console gets announced, or to leviate themselves from giving too much information like they did with Gen 9 which was mixed opinions at best.
3:37 why is destroya here
Censor blocking the other two
for torterra I think we might see something like part fire ghost ice or fairy
think about it. the main focal point of torterra is the ecosystem on its back. sure grass/steel rock ground makes sense on its current design and colors but that doesn't mean that's what they will make its regional form into. I think the design team is going to focus on the trees on its back and they could go anywhere from dead trees and gravestones(ghost), trees on fire(fire), icy trees(ice), or flowers and some cherry blossom tree(fairy)
I want Snivy, Popplio, Chimchar
I'm torn between Toto and Terry D: I want them both.
I agree with you that the typings may come out like one of those combinations, they seem the most logical, but honestly I'm hoping for something like Grass/Fairy, Fire/Steel, and Water/Ground.
I know I'm taking this a step farther with this one too, but I can't help but think that if they are starting a pattern, the types of these starters COULD be a hint at what types the starters from gen 10 are going have, even if mixed up a little
im taking totodile BUT im useing home to get all 3 >:)
*sighs* “okay litten… one more chance.”
Oh, I'm going with Totodile, for sure. Turtwig has me intrigued, but it's not even a close second.
Same
I am so picking todotile, I love his cheerful attitude
I rather think snivy could be one of the starters than turwig
I know most were hoping for that, but I think that's the common community repeated mantra speaking. Every since ZA's been announced that's the line people have been repeating and hyping up, much like with Piplup. While it would make the most sense, it also would be the most obvious.
And that's something Game Freak seems to want to steer away from. As a two fold means of one discrediting 'leakers' who have said that for months, as well as keep from just having the set of three starters from PLZA be from the same regions as PLA, Alola, Johto, Unova for PLA, two repeats here with Alola-Johto-Sinnoh.
Sounds like Riddler Cluless talking more than anything.
Him and centro really harping on that copium.
But I think snivy deserves to be in legends za
Trust me, snivy will make a comeback
I think that's the crux of the issue. A bit of wanting something to be true. I would love to see Snivy get something in the game, it's special to me for reasons that are hard to explain, but it was a friend of mine's favorite, and I won't go further.
But there is a point of needing to separate hopes and wants for something, from what is the best evidence so far about it's outcomes.
I hope we get something for Snivy, but there isn't much in its favor that aren't equally as attributable to others that didn't make it.
I would be unbelievably excited if we are getting another version of Feraligatr! The line has been missing from so many games in the newer generations and I've been missing my little gators so bad.
I’m kinda sad that there’s no piplup, I’m hoping totodile is fake, or atleast piplup can be obtained somewhere in the wild.
I think it was a smart choice on GF's part not to go with Piplup, if this is the case. I will also say I'm a bit Biased to piplup, it was the first starter I ever picked.
Two main reasons one being it was too obvious, it was a great way to discredit ''leakers' because most of their thoughts tend to be predictive guesswork, something the last year and change has showed to be the case. And the second being they already have limited starter slots to pick from, if they went piplup, it would knock Twig out of consideration, leaving chiko, Serp (already a low hanging fruit that goes hand in hand with the first reason), Chesnaught (a base kalos starter) Deci, who already got a variant, Rilla, and two grass starters who already have megas. Realistically, there were only 3 picks, Twig, Snivy, Chiko. It gives the a lot more flexibility
Piplup, Snivy, Litten, or Scorbunny work for me...
If Turtwig becomes a grass/rock type then it'll be the first grass/rock since since Lileep and Cradily, the only other one they've ever introduced being very recent, which is Ogerpon's cornerstone mask variant. It's a very unique typing since both grass and rock have 5 weaknesses, but putting them together you actually only get 4 weaknesses left, since a lot of their resistances nullify each other.
But only 2 resistances and walled by Steel.
Tododile w
I don’t even think it’s 100 percent guaranteed that these starters will even have a regional variant evolution. With mega evolution being back. Really I can see them just getting mega forms and not regional
Like with any recent starters, I need to see final evos and typings. I chose Totodile and Litten during their respective generations. Totodile was selected for 2 reasons. A. Least amount of weaknesses defensively B. I like Crocs/Gators visually. Litten was chosen cuz of my adoration for cats great or small. Plus I use mainly 👻, 🌑(dark), and 🧚♀️ types. I hope the type combos of these LZ-A starters will be fun. This is a long winded way to say I'm undecided. 🤣
This could be potentially hype not gonna lie (specifically totodile and turtwig)
People who wanted froakie 😢
👇
I think a large portion of that came from wanting Ash-Greninja as a starter. Or at least that form back.
@@metamaxis but it would’ve been better because then we would’ve learn more of the first hero grenninja as we saw in that ninja episode
I think the original greninja for that occupies a similar place as the Original Unova dragon.
It's a throwaway line for backstory on something, but it was never intended to actually be made. Much like also with Arceus stating it's a piece of the actual Arceus.
The other part is that's from the anime, and the anime takes....many liberties with it's telling of things. See Thunder Armor from gen 3. It's likely it was never something they ever intended to explore, especially since it is anime-exclusive, it was never mentioned within the games, leaving it already twice removed. Even further since the Ash Greninja form's actually been removed for the stat boost. It might be officially retired.
@@metamaxis ok I understand but what if we actually work with the first hero grenninja to stop the villain in the game if that happens every pokefan would die of excitement
Not so sure on that either. Greninja's much like Charizard, and Lucario, at this point. It's a love or hate pokemon, largely because greninja gets special treatment, and many people are tired of it like with those others. I know personally if they do that, I won't be buying the game since my biggest issue of the original Kalos games was the enforced fanservice at the expense of the game itself, and this would be a repeat of that.
On top of that backstory was still an invention of the anime. It has no explanation in the games because it was just porting in a form from the anime, like with the ash cap pikachu set. As well as even within the anime it's implied to be significantly older than the 160 years in the past PLZA is to be set.
Really wanted Snivy, and if not him then Chikorita, those two really deserve some love. But Turtwig is fine! I already know that I want to use Fennekin (assuming it'll be available in the wild) so it'll just be a toss up between the Water and Grass starters for me LOL. Great video!
Many thanks. We tend to do move videos on our second channel, and generally more in depth on those topics, but I'm glad you liked this!
1:54 nah ground
Torterra is already a ground type
Brother he is already ground
@@questionableclips215 I know but still
@@user-sk3ir1gh4j really?
fym 'but still' theyre not doing the same thing twice😭🙏
Those are 3 of my all time favourite starters, I hate this in the most positive way possible
Now Im happy you said litten you just made my day its ny favorite Pokemon
Litten is actually pretty special to me as well.
For a good...5 years I actually cut myself off from the pokemon community, and came back when UMUS came out, and the first pokemon I picked after a self imposed 5 year exile, was Litten.
I still believe the starters in PLZ-A will be from the Starters who still does not have 7 star Mighty Raid yet in Scarlet and Violet.
So, two of the starters are the same animal as and supereffective against two of the Paldean starters. Sadly, they don't have another grass type bird since they used Rowlet in Hisui.
To be fair, there is a finite number of animals the starters are. There's been a number of bird, lizard, and cats. And had we gotten Treecko Charmander, or snivy, people would have said another reptile starter. It's a bit of a no win situation.
@@metamaxis I ain't complaining, just pointing out something I found interesting
I agree.
But I also know that there will be people who will see that, and jump on it as a chance to bemoan the games, rather than just enjoy them as we used to.
8:00 "We've gotten a dark type starter every generation since gen 6. Except for Paldea..."
Meowscarada (Grass/Dark): Am I a joke to you?
That was a misspeak, it's why I corrected myself after saying Galar.
But yes, Meowscarada is a joke to me, long standing banter with a fellow creator. .
Totodile squad
Inciniroar as fire fighting for the french knights, would water dark for french navy, grass and rock for the alps. Of course torterra looking like americas doom turtle tank would be meme worthy
I’m definitely going Turtwig he’s my favorite out all of these next one is totodile
If that is the new trio, it’s really odd to me that Gen 2 and 7 get starter representation twice in a row. Turtwig and Torterra are some of my favourite Pokémon, but having another Gen 2, and another Gen 7, I feel Snivy should have been paired in with the trio to give another Gen 5.
I don’t know, but that trio feels a little off to me, although the three are pretty cool picks anyway.
We've got a video in the works on why these three were actually the only gens that were usable.
@@metamaxis oh alright! I’ll check it out when it’s published!
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mega Incineroar….
I think it's unlikely Mega incineroar, even if it is to both exist in ZA, and return in gen 10, wouldn't be as dangerous as we think it would be.
As mentioned, it's because a lot of factors that Base Alolan Incin's a menace. It's great statline (letting people invest EVs into bulk, rather than attack and speed), it's typing diving it lots of neutrals and resists to common types, but principally it's intimidate access, ability to hold an items (generally a healing berry) and that dark typing. In a similar way to mega garchomp, if you just shift any of that, ever so slightly, it comes toppling down. MegaChomper list 10 speed, just 10 points, and that rendered it all but obsolete. We already know if it's ported into Main line games, it's item slot will be consumed, so Incin's biggest boon which is its ability to gain health back with a big Berry or Sitrius/Leftovers is already off the table. As also know it's going to have a different typing combination, taking another part off the table. Furthermore, all regional variant starters have a different ability than their original.
they're probably doing a Kalosian Incin because they know people love the mon, but hate fighting original incin, so making a regional variant that's less overpowered can keep the love, but not ruin the enjoyment.
I think Electric would be a really cool secondary typing for the totodile line
Either grass or water.
I gotta say my choice will probably be turtwig. He's my favorite of the 3. I'd be happy with any triangle, but honestly I'm kinda hoping they go for one that doesn't have a fighting type, because like 6/10 starter triangles have fighting types in them and while they're usually cool, it's getting kinda dull (Same with ghost but not to the same degree)
Part of me is hoping this doesn't mean these are the starters. At least, I don't want Litten as a starter
I’m terrified of the possibility of mega Incinereroar 😰
We've got a project on this in the works. But a hypothetical mega incin would actually be a complete joke.
It wouldn't have any of the things that actually make incin good, namely no held item.
Personally, I'm thinking that this theory isnt going to hold water (i wouldnt mind it) simply because two of the three starters share a generation with the legends arceus starters(totodile and cyndaquil = johto, litten and rowlet = alola respectively). If they were going to go that route they may as well make snivy the grass option.
We've got somethign in the works on why there are only actually 4 regions to pick starters from in this case.
there's a lot of things that automatically knock out 5 other gens, most of those being the same reasons the PLA starters were picked.
Totodile is a monster of a Pokemon in the series and is one of my favorite starters due its good move pool around it, if these are the starters for Z-A. My pick is Totodile for Z-A. Cyndaquil was my starter in Legends Arceus.
I select… Chikorita, Litten, and Sobble.
I feel like this one is going to bring a water/steel in totodile, a grass/poison with tirtwig, and fire/psychic with the litten
Or they could do match typing with the original kalosian starters and put a very unique spin on torterra with a fighting typing, but that is
Very very unlikely
Edit: I think they should have swapped litten for Tepig and Totodile is such a strong choice I can't be mad at it. I will say, however, that it would have been cool to see a regional form of empoleon especially in a French themed region
Fire fairy because the Kalos region was also the first region that introduced the fairy type
My thoughts are that it could be that the second typing is also weak to the type it’s already weak to - so Grass/Steel, Fire/Ground, Water/Rock something like that
My guess:
Feraligatr- Water/Steel
Incineroar- Fire/Ground
Torterra- Grass/Ice
Doing this should make all 3 starters weak against each other
A grass/ice torterra would look amazing, maybe the terrarium thing on top of the shell would look like a tundra