Hi R, Both look good, but I think the BR Blue model has a superior sound. Plus, I noticed on the BR Green loco that for some reason there was only 1 tail lamp, the other seemed to be white & acted as a marker light. I never worked on these types but I think the BR Blue is again, far more accurate in this field too. Other than that, they certainly run well & sound good with Keith's sound files. All the very best to Y & yourself & stat safe! Boa
Hi B, Yeah I think the blue one is the better one as well. Far more detail on this and it's more subtle. The sound is identical of course on both, the only difference being the loud speaker. See you soon, all the best, R
1 red tail lamp is actually prototypical, the real things only showed one light when parked or moving light engine, and there were rules about switching them off when pulling a train; though not always! The Heljan model is unfortunately inaccurate in this respect, but then so are most models, they almost always need modification to delete one of the red lights. Much better would be for the red lights to be switchable on/off and also left/right, but that is something that so far no model manufacturer has ever done and it is left to the modeller to modify for this feature.
Have a look at this short vid, shows them perfectly. On the switch panel in the cab of these you can only switch them left/off/right, they couldn't do both. SLW summed it up perfectly regarding models though when asked, Phils answer was that they feel forced to light both tail lights on their model because more people would complain about the single light than would complain with two lamps being incorrectly illuminated. ruclips.net/video/M81QsBXr3AQ/видео.html
@@letzterinstanz I was so focused on my critique I forgot to congratulate on a stunning presentation. Proper scale speeds too. Felt like I’d gone back to the 60’s & was spotting @ a busy loco shed somewhere, wonderful😀.
What an interesting comparison -thanks for posting it. Both a bit of curates egg to be honest. Heljan have go the roof shape better and their model has more finesse than the much older Bachmann tooling. Neither model has the 'face' quite right in my opinion- neither of them scream 'class 25'. I am struck at how good the Bachmann bogie looks and it has a better and more convincing relationship to the body. Every Heljan 25 I have seen has the cab steps leaning inwards - yours too. A shame in my opinion that Heljan didnt respond to concerns raised earlier in the development of their model as I think it will shortly be eclipsed by the forthcoming Sutton version
Its a bit like comparing a battered old Ford Escort with a new BMW 3 series. A fairer comparison would be with the Bachmann class 24/1 as that should be the benchmark for the Bachmann retooled class 25. The old Bachmann 25 never was that good a model to look at, it was the mechanism underneath it which was such a ground breaker for the UK market. The Heljan model is a bit bitter sweet, yes it looks good but you can see where they skimped on it, presumably to rush it out to market first. The DCC functionality is particularly poor, even the old Bachmann model equals it there. The poor definition around the windows and really poor fitting glazing don't help the Heljan model, just look at the poor fit of the headcode panel and the way the windscreens lean back into the cab moulding in your own model here in this video. Its a shame, the Heljan model is more of a 'what if?' than a definitive model. It will be rather interesting to see the SLW and Bachmann retool compared with this one, I have a feeling this won't be the best one of the three, and at only £5 cheaper than the SLW model on rrp, it probably won't be the best value for money of them either.
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Leaning towards the Heljan.
Thanks John.
Hi R,
Both look good, but I think the BR Blue model has a superior sound. Plus, I noticed on the BR Green loco that for some reason there was only 1 tail lamp, the other seemed to be white & acted as a marker light. I never worked on these types but I think the BR Blue is again, far more accurate in this field too.
Other than that, they certainly run well & sound good with Keith's sound files.
All the very best to Y & yourself & stat safe!
Boa
Hi B,
Yeah I think the blue one is the better one as well. Far more detail on this and it's more subtle. The sound is identical of course on both, the only difference being the loud speaker. See you soon, all the best, R
1 red tail lamp is actually prototypical, the real things only showed one light when parked or moving light engine, and there were rules about switching them off when pulling a train; though not always! The Heljan model is unfortunately inaccurate in this respect, but then so are most models, they almost always need modification to delete one of the red lights. Much better would be for the red lights to be switchable on/off and also left/right, but that is something that so far no model manufacturer has ever done and it is left to the modeller to modify for this feature.
Have a look at this short vid, shows them perfectly. On the switch panel in the cab of these you can only switch them left/off/right, they couldn't do both. SLW summed it up perfectly regarding models though when asked, Phils answer was that they feel forced to light both tail lights on their model because more people would complain about the single light than would complain with two lamps being incorrectly illuminated. ruclips.net/video/M81QsBXr3AQ/видео.html
I think the Heljan makes the Bachmann look like a caricature of a class 25
Apologies for the delay in replying; as a matter of fact, so do I! Many thanks.
@@letzterinstanz I was so focused on my critique I forgot to congratulate on a stunning presentation. Proper scale speeds too. Felt like I’d gone back to the 60’s & was spotting @ a busy loco shed somewhere, wonderful😀.
Heljan don't do bad products in my opinion.
I think they're very good.
Except their Tango & 1361 class steam locos?
@Aussie Pom unbelievable!
What an interesting comparison -thanks for posting it. Both a bit of curates egg to be honest. Heljan have go the roof shape better and their model has more finesse than the much older Bachmann tooling. Neither model has the 'face' quite right in my opinion- neither of them scream 'class 25'. I am struck at how good the Bachmann bogie looks and it has a better and more convincing relationship to the body. Every Heljan 25 I have seen has the cab steps leaning inwards - yours too. A shame in my opinion that Heljan didnt respond to concerns raised earlier in the development of their model as I think it will shortly be eclipsed by the forthcoming Sutton version
Interesting observations. We'll have to wait and see.
Pity you didn't have them facing the same way around. Prefer the Bachmann
Thank you very much
Its a bit like comparing a battered old Ford Escort with a new BMW 3 series. A fairer comparison would be with the Bachmann class 24/1 as that should be the benchmark for the Bachmann retooled class 25. The old Bachmann 25 never was that good a model to look at, it was the mechanism underneath it which was such a ground breaker for the UK market. The Heljan model is a bit bitter sweet, yes it looks good but you can see where they skimped on it, presumably to rush it out to market first. The DCC functionality is particularly poor, even the old Bachmann model equals it there. The poor definition around the windows and really poor fitting glazing don't help the Heljan model, just look at the poor fit of the headcode panel and the way the windscreens lean back into the cab moulding in your own model here in this video. Its a shame, the Heljan model is more of a 'what if?' than a definitive model. It will be rather interesting to see the SLW and Bachmann retool compared with this one, I have a feeling this won't be the best one of the three, and at only £5 cheaper than the SLW model on rrp, it probably won't be the best value for money of them either.
Nice observations, thank you