Having been a photojournalist for 52 years, I have pretty much used Nikon exclusively. From Nikon FTN to the current D850. there have been some fantastic upgrades by the company through the years. I really don't want to get into boring technical debates. The most important thing about photography is not how fast the eye is tracked by a sensor or how you can recover from a screwed up exposure. It's about the final image. Does it remind you of a long-lost lover? A favorite song? A special time in your life? does the picture stay with you for hours, days, and years? Though the Z8 is a technical marvel, the D850, in my opinion, looks more analog and organic than the lean, overly sharpened Z8. Yes, you have to work harder with the D850, but the final outcome (in my opinion) is worth it. Some of the greatest pictures in history were not very sharp, so younger photographers ... remember that.
@stardust193019561989: Hear hear! Personally for me you folks are talking FX/full-frame, I am a DX/crop sensor person. I am getting too old to carry around huge FX lenses. And as a side benefit, the lenses are also a bit less expensive. My Nikon D7500 and D500 are more than adequate for most of my photographic needs.
I still.ise the d800 and even the d850 looks not so nice and magic like the d800 imo. I tested the z-series and was astonished how good they handle low light. But the look you get from these are not so nice and special like the d800. Maybe I need another workflow but so far I am not convinced
I think the stark contrast between the D850 and the z9/8 is that the D850 was absolutely the best of the best across the board; there was no except for the …. Z9/8 can’t say that - they are compromised in one of the most important areas - AF. If Canon and Sony had crappy AF, then z9/8 could take the crown from the D850, but they don’t, so they can’t. I am not spending that kind of coin for kit that has compromised functionality. Back to sleep, waiting on the Z”next”.
@@matsudakodo As in not top notch, best in class AF. I am not going to get into a debate of how good is good enough. I have zero experience with anything Z, so not talking from experience. While I am sure the Z’s have AF 10x better than my current camera, most “influencers” seem to conclude they are not quite up to the same level of performance as a good Sony or Canon. So, not paying top $ for less than top AF. My current camera still spits out stunning image quality with the aid of “RI” focussing, so I’m good for now. Next gen Z is when I may bite.
I think DSLR’s in general still have a better look to them. Cant really explain it but closest I can get to is the mirrorless images just feel way more ‘digital’
If you have a canon 5dmk4 or a d850 whats the point in upgrading? If you need great video for a shoot just rent a REAL video camera for the work it's needed for.
Great video. D810 and the D850 feel so much like a digital film camera. I just picked up a d810 and it’s so satisfying to shoot with it. My main is a gfx 50r but man the d810 is a beast
It's funny how when the D850 came out everyone raved over it and continued to for years after. Now, suddenly, it seems to be impossible to take a good photo with it. It also makes you wonder how it is that Ansel Adams' photos still look great as well as the photos of many talented portrait photographers over the years. You would think their photos would look like trash now. The truth is that if you were taking lousy photos with the D850, you will continue to take lousy photos with the Z8, Z9 or whatever. If you are a good photographer, you can use a Nikon F series with some black and white film and good vintage Nikon glass and take some wonderful photos.
Ansel Adams was a master in the darkroom, his main skill, that made his plates stand out even today. He spent much more time developing than shooting. Many still use his Zone system.
What’re you talking about - ‘impossible to take a good photo with it’? Nonsense. People trot out this same tired analogy every camera release. Yes. We ALL know it’s as good today as it was on release. But the market has moved on. Horse and buggy is still viable - why don’t you take it to go shopping anymore?
@@mattgranger You just made my point. If someone's 5 year old car is maintained and in great condition, you can use it to go shopping just fine. Your car doesn't become a 'horse and buggy' just because the new car has the latest tech. The fact is that the camera being used is quite far down on the list in determining whether a photo is going to be something special or not for the vast majority of camera users. If someone is not happy with their photography, buying a Z8 to replace their D850 (assuming it is functioning properly) is not going to fix that. If money is no object, then there is nothing wrong with going out buying the latest gear. It is interesting. Very few people though are really pushing their gear to the point where it will actually make much of a difference. Top level wildlife photographers get the most benefit from the advanced technology IMO.
no worries. But lets be clear - you saying "It's funny how when the D850 came out everyone raved over it and continued to for years after. Now, suddenly, it seems to be impossible to take a good photo with it" is hyperbolic nonsense. I didnt suggest that at all.
Health comes first so hope you're feeling better. Watched this and while the D850 was a solid camera and a workhorse when it came out almost 6 years ago, it's clear the Z8 is definitely the way. Also glad they didn't try chasing the megapixel wars and went with what works. Good video and illustration on how far these two are apart.
From everything I have seen, I would love a Z8. As someone who has a d850 just now, with a d750 as backup/second camera, the cost of switching and gradually upgrading all the glass is just unjustifiable for me at present.
Exactly the same gear and lots of expensive lenses while not a professional photographer. Only reason for me to „upgrade“ is lots of botched shots when it comes to sharp eyes but I think I need to work on my shooting before even thinking to spend a tremendous amount of money to become mirrorless.
@@jean-marcducommun8185 I found the Z9 focuses very well with AFS lenses. It does so much better at focusing on the eyes with the same lenses as opposed to the D4 and D800. I'm tempted to get a Z lens, but not today.
Everyone is quick to discard their current camera model for the latest on the market.But the truth is if you can't get the job done with what you have then you probably don't know what you are doing. I shoot everyday average people not models and they have skin issues and weight problems and I don't want the ultra high resolution camera.A older Nikon DSLR works great.
Great. Enjoy it. It isn’t ‘everyone’, as you put it. Some people have just bought, some are happy with what they have, and others have been waiting and saving up to upgrade. They’re the ones watching most likely.
7:03 It's true that with mirrorless cameras, all AF points are equally powerful. But that's not because they're all cross-type; they're actually all line-type.
Am I the only one who still prefers the look of the D850 images?! They look easier on the eye and more natural. They have the smooth shadows and color transitions. I don't know man, whatever dark magic Nikon put into the D850 sensor is just incomparable still to this day. The Z8 images are sharper but D850 images just look smoother, more natural and overall better... I don't know what it is, they just look more natural and easier on the eyes to look at.
No, you are right. I have both the Z9 and D850 and the images from te D850 have beter color and feeling. And it doesn’t matter if you use native z lenses or use FX with the adapter. The image from the D850 have a more “MF” feeling
I have been using Nikon for wedding for years. After post processing it does not matter how the photo looks in raw. Unless you want to shoot jpg, but then you can always set up the camera the way you like. To me, auto focus , accuracy, speed, weight, and consistency is more important. I do also agree with you, somehow I also like the d850 better for straight out of camera photos in this video
Great to see this comparison Matt! I still have a brand new D850, (never even shot it) that I've been debating keeping as a second body to the Z9, but I'm becoming more & more convinced to go fully with the mirrorless system & get the Z8. I just need to sell the D850 first. Hope you're kickin' covid! Thanks again for the video!
12:43 I like the colors of the D850 better, but they are close. (I know colors are a preference and you can work them, but if I wanted to fight colors I will have changed brands already) and 12:50 The colors of the Z8 are way off. Is this an anomaly?
Hello Matt, Thanks for a great comparison video. I have a friend who uses his D850 and I know he like my Z9, so I think this Z8 look amazing and I am looking forwards to getting my hands on one at some point. Keep well, keep safe and enjoy life.
Nice video Matt! I'm a Nikon user for 3 decades. The D850 was a great camera which shook the photo world with its abilities and build quality. It was a machine which stood out of the bunch! The Z8 doesn't do it. It is a downscaled Z9. Nothing special in its category concerning also the competition. I have 2 D850's plus some other full frame bodies. I was expecting a new sensor at least and a higher resolution, but no... A professional photographer will go for a Z9 straight because it is a dealbreaker also. The Z8 is a camera that for sure it is going to be used by pros but (Nikon) have in mind that the D850 was bought by a huge portion of highly skilled amateurs or pros who do fine art, landscape and other genres. It is hard for all of us to switch system if the camera hasn't anything special to offer. The Z8 also comes at a very high price. 1000 more than the D850 with a simpler design (no mirror and shutter) based on software development with cheaper manufacturing costs. (This applies to all brands). So they better be serious in the future... With 4000 thousand euros I would prefer to go for a GFX 50SII to get the benefits of a larger sensor. Powerful Autofocus is not the first thing for all the users. The only sirious camera in the mirrorless line of Nikon is the Z9. It is the Z8 also but it hasn't got 'star' to bring the people 'in'... I was waiting for the Z8 all this time but I wasn't impressed at all. If I would upgrade I would go for the Z9. The rest of the bunch is 'one more'.....
I own a Z8 and its good. But not long ago I saw and hold a D850 for the first time in my life. And yes. IT has something 😌 The whole debate DSLR vs mirrorless is pointless. I see People using D4's for pro work and live from that camera. Just buy what you prefer. Nobody Will tell the difference between your shoots if you own a Z8 or D850.
Two points of contention, 1) silent shooting in live mode is achievable and B) I follow plenty of RUclips channels that use the d850, so you are nowhere near being the last to move over to mirrorless. I knew from the start of your video what direction it would take. Anyone who knows the story of John Henry and the steam hammer knows that new technology wins out over old.
11:54 just use liveview on the D850 then :). Yes it's slow with focusing but perfectly fine for portraits. I never found the mirrorless nikons to have pleasing colors. Much more prefer the D850's skin tones. But I love the look of the Z8 body though! Wish they put in a higher res EVF. Thanks for the comparison! Was fun!
I’m really excited about the pre shutter release buffer and ibis. Taking underwater and sports photography, getting that extra edge to get the shot is a difference ..
Great video! Hope you are feeling better. This is the camera I have been waiting for. Bought a few Z lenses late last year when they were on sale as they are again now as I expected this but thought it would have come in February once the Z9 stock issue was no longer. My D850 will go on the shelf. Help me understand the reason why there is a desire for larger MP like 60 or 80? There is so many options to upscale an image if you really need it. The additional size of the image is another consideration also. I know I will have to get used to the view finder but technically it is far superior. Excited to get it and start using it!
Is the difference in price between a decent used D850, especially if you already have many F mount glass, and a new Z8 and the fact that you have to buy new, expensive glass, worth it? I believe unless you are a pro working in the harshest conditions and making a lot of money at it, you'd be a fool to from a D 750, D 810 or D850 to mirrorless. What do you think will be better when you do street photography or potrait? Some people really want me to believe that those "old" DSLR simply can't lock focus on one eye or will not be able to get the shot done. Really?
I still find D850 colour tone on the skin much natural and vignette is much darker then Mirrorless Cameras. Z series have warm yellowish tone or flat tone.
Having grown up on Nikon starting with a F80 then D70, D700 I switched to Sony A7iv at the end of 2022 and now this Z8 really has me drooling. I went to Tin Cheung Camera today and they said it's not in yet and HK prices are not published, they reckon it might be close to the Z9 pricing.
I am particularly excited with the Nikon come back… Z9 compressed into a smaller affordable body is great… But it is equally exciting to watch Nikon finally catch up on the marketing front… counter for launch date, product already distributed to influencers in the community, simultaneous release of influencer videos globally with the product release… If Nikon keeps this up, they will grab significant market share from Canon and Sony… and with a Zf from Fuji 😂
Man there’s some tough customers in this comments section. I shot with the D850 for 5 years and I loved that camera more than anything. I got the Z9 and several Z lenses. You can get amazing images with the D850 but the Z9/Z8 and Z lenses are way better in ease of use, speed, accuracy and image quality. Just in terms of image quality, the Z cams and lenses are sharper, little to no purple/green fringing and way less color noise in the higher ISO ranges.
Been shooting mirrorless for a few years now, but recently shot with family member's d500--wow is that shutter loud. Also picked up a d610 for a few min--geez the AF point area is tiny. Mirrorless has some significant advantages
Sounds a little too much like an ad for the Z8. Sure, I get it - new tech and all…but the difficulties with OVFs have existed since the beginning of time and photographers have learned the skills to overcome them. I don’t mean to undervalue the Z8 but the D850 in skilled hands is still a beast of a workhorse.
I have BOTH the D850 and the Z6ii. I have learned that both cameras have their 'best uses'. The D850 is perfect for landscapes and sports. The Z6ii is better for capturing colors and is superior when it comes to VIDEO. At the end of the day, it's the lense on the camera that makes the difference. D850 does much better with big lenses ie 200mm+, and the Z6ii is better with smaller focal lengths, and tighter shots........
Sometime in the future I'm picking up a FX DSLR. What I'm debating now is D850 vs D780. According to reviews and videos it looks like the D780 is a bit of a hybrid machine with Lice View focusing taking a lot of tech from the Z series. Your thoughts?
I would Zeiss manual focus lenses anyway I don’t like Nikon lenses. The build quality on the D850 is better and made in Japan. The new mirrorless camera feel cheaper made.
The advantages of the EVF, AF coverage and IBIS have been quite clear since long before the Z8 came along. I was rather hoping for seeing as well a comparison of IQ using the same lens on both cameras - particularly, I'd like to see top-notch F-mount primes such as the 105mm f/1.4E and the 28mm f/1.4E in such a test, since the 50mm f/1.4G is nowhere near those, let alone a state-of-the-art Z-mount 50mm f/1.2S. Even the 58mm f/1.4G is a lens full of character, but not exactly known for its sharpness. I understand your remark that your goal was to compare both systems, but USD 4000 is still quite an investment and many people will probably keep using the Z8 with F-mount glass they still have for a while - especially lenses such as the ones I've mentioned above, which have no Z-mount analog -, so in retrospect I still feel something is missing in this shootout.
Well, the thing is that the sensor is identical to the Z9's, and Matt has done a ton of work with F-mount lenses on the Z9. I think you'd be interested in those other videos of his. Bottom line: he says the Z9 brings the best F-mount glass to new levels, even with AF.
@@gyozakeynsianism true, I saw these videos as well and I expect it to be the case based on IBIS alone, but how each AF system interacts with the lens is also important and a direct shootout comparison between the Z9 and the D850 using the same F-mount glass on both hasn't been done there either, as far as I remember. That would be useful to D850 owners (like me) who might be considering the jump to Z8 in the near future but for which the USD 4000 figure (about 50-60% more than that here in Brazil, btw) also bears a critical weight in the decision. Personally, as it stands I'd still wait for a cheaper, lighter, Expeed 7-equipped Z6 III to go mirrorless and keep the D850 I still love, also because the latter should drop in price considerably in the next weeks/months and I'm not sure that selling it will make up for the price difference by then.
Probably the most useful Z8 video iIve seen yet - it's making the comparison that a huge number of potential Z8 buyers are likely making in their heads. Well done - thanks. Hope you get better soon! I hated my Covid experience. 😞
Absolutely agree that this is the very best Z8/D850 comparison!! My Covid experience in February was bad, but the worst part was know knowing if I would live through it.
@@kennethraysealsphotography3513 Sorry to hear that - must have been terrible. I hope you're back to 100 % or close (many people aren't). Because of pre-existing health issues, my Covid experience was bad, though not life-threatening. But I still have curious lingering symptoms months later.
I dont get why you used different lenses across the bodies. what you did was a comprison of eco-systems, not of Z8 versus D850. The issue was to use a 200mm f2 or a 105 1.4 in both bodies and compare.
Dear Matt. For the first time ever I may disagree with you. I have totally lost faith in the Z system. Didn't even realize it happened unconsciously, as I never reach for it anymore. Operationally, despite many peoples claims that the Z focuses well I find it cumbersome. For any moving action I seldom use autofocus, so one of the real issues is the poor manually focusing ring. I find it impossible to use precisely or control. Just yesterday I forced myself to bring the Z9 to a marathon I was commissioned to shoot. I was like bringing a knife to a gunfight. The camera was too slow to respond and unable to be precisely controlled. Pulled out my back up D850 w of all things, the 85mm F/1.4 G lens, a lens I never liked, and got supreme control and stellar images. I always felt the color in the middle apertures was stellar, easily surpassing any Z lens, but as everyone else hails, not the sharpest tool in the shed. However, the images were tack, under moving conditions. So? I know this G lens in terms of sharpness to my mind has always been the dullest of the F mount Nikkors. But the images were sharp. And the color, the clients noticed that is stood out compared to most, if not all of the other published shooters whom were using mirrorless cameras of a wide range of brands. As others have also noticed, the color out the z lenses leaves something to be desired. In some ways Z lens color reminds me of rangefinder lenses from the 1940s and 1950s. I was asked back to shoot the August 24, 2023 Triathlon for the event and several personal individuals. The stand out color clearly contributed to the invite. And I don't shoot this kind of thing normally ( High Fashion, Entertainment, Executive and Lawyer portraits and the occasional event ). I will do a more head to head shoot out of the Nikkor 85mm F/1.4 G and the 85mm F/1.8 Z and send you the results. On the same camera, probably on the Z7II, as it is ever slightly better in image quality that the Z8 or Z9. About a 1/3 greater dynamic range. Barely noticeable, but is there. Snappier, richer images. D850 has the same dynamic range as the Z7II. Am not discounting the many, many advantages of the Z mount Nikkors display. For me, most noticeably, the general absence of that horrible blue violet casts and edges, the sharp performance wide open, and the apparent, though not sure real, constrastier overall look.
Resolution is WAY overrated. I was debating getting the R5 (45 MP) or R6 II (24 MP) last fall. I've been shooting as a pro for 18 years mostly with the 1D Mark III (10 MP) and then got the 5D Mark IV and EOS R (30 MP). I wasn't too happy about going down to 24 MP but wondered if it mattered. I did a comparison with the R6 II and R5 by upscaling the R6 II files to 45 MP using Adobe Camera Raw (most people don't realize you can do this). I then overlayed the files in PS and did a "blind" comparison of the layers at 100% zoom on a 5K monitor. I mostly couldn't tell which was which (was about 50/50). This was using Canons best RF primes and zooms for portraits and landscapes. Then I used the Adobe Camera Raw/LR "Enhance Super Resolution" feature on the R6 II files, and output to 45 MP. Again I did a "blind" comparison in PS at 100% zoom and guess what. 9/10 I picked the R6 II files as being sharper and more detailed. I sent these comparisons to a designer friend without telling him which was which layer and he too picked the R6 II files as being sharper and more detailed 9/10 times. We both have about 30 years between us in photo and design. I've done the same with R6 vs A7IV files (20 vs 33 MP) and got the same results. The lens and AF sharpness is more important than advertised resolution. And btw, I've had billboard prints for advertising printed on city buses that came from an 8 MP (1D Mark IIN) camera and they looked PHENOMENAL. Things like dynamic range and AF reliability are way more important than resolution (which is why I love the R6 Mark II because it's the best in it's class for these things, arguably the best all around for AF).
Thanks Matt.. Would love to keep my 850, but when the time comes to go ML....I still kinda like the Z9.. watching all the Z8 vids... might change my mind... who knows..
Thank you Matt not to be too judgy but I've been following you since the Nikon guy and even though you still pronounce Nikon wrong ;) I have really really really found a lot of respect for you over the last few videos and I know the Shibari course is just gonna blow me away. While I won't be getting the Z8, I have tried the Z7ii side by side with the D750, and aside from the very obvious clarity difference the ability to see your exposure real time the full frame focus is where its at. I will be getting the Z7ii for sure and can't wait to evolve into the Z glass. So sad my 300, and 500 are both AF-S. Thank you for a great review
I am in my mid 60's and have no plans to switch to mirrorless. Heck, I am still shooting a Nikon F5 along side my D850. If I were younger, I would jump on the Z camera's in a heartbeat.
Reading all the comments I come to the conclusion that the price to upgrade from a lens-wise well equipped D850 to the Z8 can hardly be justified for an amateur photographer like me. I have to work on myself first. Could be different for a professional of course.
Matt, thanks as always for your thorough videos. Question for you. You said we can use our F-Mount lenses with the Z8. I’m a D850 with all the pro lenses. In an ideal world I’d replace the D850 and lenses with the Z line but if budget is an issue would you said it’s still a good move to upgrade to the Z8 and use my F-mount lenses or will I only really see a big benefit by replacing everything?
D850 is beast and will always be one of the best ever made with its killer HDR. Love mine, along with my D5, D4 and D500. And getting a mirrorless is not necessarily an “upgrade”. The Z6 or Z7 are far from better than the D850
In your opinion why is using 3d continuous af for this kind of shooting? I never saw before... I have to admit I'm not a professional, maybe there is something that i ignore for sure.
Thanks for the video mate. I’ve just changed d850 to z8. I agree the af is a vast improvement with eye af. I don’t like that you can’t lock the multi selector as you could on the d850. I’m slowly getting used to the minuscule click the z8 makes compared to that satisfying click of the 850. By the way, the harnes/strap your wearing, what brand please. Looks good.
I’m on the fence between the Z8 and Z9, I shoot my D810 with the grip all the time and by the time you buy a grip and battery for the z8 you’re close to z9 price territory. Also the reason for me is to keep my lenses and lighting which if I replace it would be too much money and they won’t give me really anything for what I have at the moment. I’m thinking to most likely just go with the z9 instead.
Well not exactly. It's still about $1,000 difference. I would get the z8 with the grip and an extra battery. Specifically since i have big hands and the z8 with the grip is bigger than the z9
The build quality of the Z8 is poor compared to that of the Z9; unlike the Z9 which is made entirely of Magnesium-Alloy; only the Z8's front is Magnesium-Alloy, the rest is carbon fibre and plastic; another utterly stupid decision by Nikon, they might as well had employed dunces to work for them instead of university graduates.
thanks for the review!!! According to my observation, all mirrorless cameras of the professional segment are technologically better. But on DSLRs, the picture is more natural, the structure of stones, water, hair .. The quality on mirrorless cameras is excellent, but the image is plastic!
@@mattgranger Is having 16bit files a physical limitation because of the sensor or is that just something camera manufacturers prefer not to release? I agree with the previous comment about wanting that instead of more MP.
4:23 It was very interesting to see an old USSR schoolbook in your video =)) For me it's a bit nostalgic. I'm also have D850 and thinking about buying Z8 :)
Matt has done a few great videos on the Z9 with those top F-mount lenses. Check them out, they're very useful and revealing. (And other lazy RUclipsrs don't bother with this kind of quality content!)
@@mattgrangerOnly if one uses the EVF; but for those who compose their subjects using the rear LCD the battery life is crap. It's so much easier and quicker to compose using the LCD as the subject appears considerably larger on a LCD thus making it easier to notice and correct errors before making a exposure, especially when using wide-angle lenses.
the eVF is great, but your argument was not convincing. you could have checked in the back of the screen afters shooting in the d850 and take again. you dont need to wait for post to fix the problem.
Matt had done a comparison video with D200 and D850 and went out asking ppl which pic they like more 8 of 10 ppl chose the D200 because of its less sharp and smoother image. It is exactly the same situation but here the D850 wins cause of less sharp and smoother looking images.
I've heard that the Nikon Z8 doesn't handle sigma F mount lenses consistently i.e., locks up and you need to turn off the camera and back on and it locks up again after a few images. Any feedback on this? Thank you.
I am dreaming of an hybrid between the d780 and the d850 with a gps. It will be outstanding to have an OVF which can become a EVF. Liveview-> EVF. OVF in DSLR mode. The cherry on top will be a gps to geotag the pictures.
still watching the video, i'm glad to hear my Z8 prepurchase is possibly a good idea, Jumped on pre-order just as fast as i did with the D850 originally. I wont have any Z lenses yet so hoping the F lenses behave moderately near the level of improvement on the Z system.. worried but i likely will get Z lenses at some stage but will possibly have to slowly add a ton of lenses soon after
My mom is a photographer and she has a D850. After watching this video, Z8 is absolutely bettery than D850 but my mom said she'll stay with D850 because first, the price to spend. If my mom moves to Nikon Z8, she has to replace lens and memory card. My family just moved to a new house, so we don't have much money. Also, my mom didn't really use D850 alot so I think my mom's opinion is the best
Truly a legendary camera the D850.
Having been a photojournalist for 52 years, I have pretty much used Nikon exclusively. From Nikon FTN to the current D850. there have been some fantastic upgrades by the company through the years. I really don't want to get into boring technical debates. The most important thing about photography is not how fast the eye is tracked by a sensor or how you can recover from a screwed up exposure. It's about the final image. Does it remind you of a long-lost lover? A favorite song? A special time in your life? does the picture stay with you for hours, days, and years? Though the Z8 is a technical marvel, the D850, in my opinion, looks more analog and organic than the lean, overly sharpened Z8. Yes, you have to work harder with the D850, but the final outcome (in my opinion) is worth it. Some of the greatest pictures in history were not very sharp, so younger photographers ... remember that.
I love this comment so much.
@stardust193019561989: Hear hear! Personally for me you folks are talking FX/full-frame, I am a DX/crop sensor person. I am getting too old to carry around huge FX lenses. And as a side benefit, the lenses are also a bit less expensive. My Nikon D7500 and D500 are more than adequate for most of my photographic needs.
I still.ise the d800 and even the d850 looks not so nice and magic like the d800 imo. I tested the z-series and was astonished how good they handle low light. But the look you get from these are not so nice and special like the d800. Maybe I need another workflow but so far I am not convinced
@@rehab4everybody....thank you....the Nikon D810 for me....the D800/D810 have more dynamic range than the D850...imo
D850 does everything I need still. I'll be sitting this generation out.
Brilliant video as always.
I think the stark contrast between the D850 and the z9/8 is that the D850 was absolutely the best of the best across the board; there was no except for the ….
Z9/8 can’t say that - they are compromised in one of the most important areas - AF. If Canon and Sony had crappy AF, then z9/8 could take the crown from the D850, but they don’t, so they can’t. I am not spending that kind of coin for kit that has compromised functionality. Back to sleep, waiting on the Z”next”.
One day i will buy a Z8 the D850 is better than me
@@WilliamBarrow compromised functionality? In what way?
@@matsudakodo As in not top notch, best in class AF. I am not going to get into a debate of how good is good enough. I have zero experience with anything Z, so not talking from experience. While I am sure the Z’s have AF 10x better than my current camera, most “influencers” seem to conclude they are not quite up to the same level of performance as a good Sony or Canon. So, not paying top $ for less than top AF. My current camera still spits out stunning image quality with the aid of “RI” focussing, so I’m good for now. Next gen Z is when I may bite.
I think DSLR’s in general still have a better look to them. Cant really explain it but closest I can get to is the mirrorless images just feel way more ‘digital’
This just make me realize that the D850 Is still a GREAT and AWESOME camera
If you have a canon 5dmk4 or a d850 whats the point in upgrading? If you need great video for a shoot just rent a REAL video camera for the work it's needed for.
Great video. D810 and the D850 feel so much like a digital film camera. I just picked up a d810 and it’s so satisfying to shoot with it. My main is a gfx 50r but man the d810 is a beast
I traded my Sony A7Rii for a D810 because it shoots better so I know what yo mean. I'm gonna love it
My D810 has been my all time favorite camera to shoot with. I just purchased the Z8 so I would have a second camera that I can to use for video.
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It's funny how when the D850 came out everyone raved over it and continued to for years after. Now, suddenly, it seems to be impossible to take a good photo with it. It also makes you wonder how it is that Ansel Adams' photos still look great as well as the photos of many talented portrait photographers over the years. You would think their photos would look like trash now. The truth is that if you were taking lousy photos with the D850, you will continue to take lousy photos with the Z8, Z9 or whatever. If you are a good photographer, you can use a Nikon F series with some black and white film and good vintage Nikon glass and take some wonderful photos.
Ansel Adams was a master in the darkroom, his main skill, that made his plates stand out even today. He spent much more time developing than shooting. Many still use his Zone system.
What’re you talking about - ‘impossible to take a good photo with it’? Nonsense.
People trot out this same tired analogy every camera release. Yes. We ALL know it’s as good today as it was on release. But the market has moved on. Horse and buggy is still viable - why don’t you take it to go shopping anymore?
@@mattgranger You just made my point. If someone's 5 year old car is maintained and in great condition, you can use it to go shopping just fine. Your car doesn't become a 'horse and buggy' just because the new car has the latest tech. The fact is that the camera being used is quite far down on the list in determining whether a photo is going to be something special or not for the vast majority of camera users. If someone is not happy with their photography, buying a Z8 to replace their D850 (assuming it is functioning properly) is not going to fix that. If money is no object, then there is nothing wrong with going out buying the latest gear. It is interesting. Very few people though are really pushing their gear to the point where it will actually make much of a difference. Top level wildlife photographers get the most benefit from the advanced technology IMO.
BTW - I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
no worries. But lets be clear - you saying "It's funny how when the D850 came out everyone raved over it and continued to for years after. Now, suddenly, it seems to be impossible to take a good photo with it" is hyperbolic nonsense. I didnt suggest that at all.
Health comes first so hope you're feeling better. Watched this and while the D850 was a solid camera and a workhorse when it came out almost 6 years ago, it's clear the Z8 is definitely the way. Also glad they didn't try chasing the megapixel wars and went with what works. Good video and illustration on how far these two are apart.
Agree about megapixels. 60 vs 45 is also just not that big of a difference, though maybe 80 would have been.
@@gyozakeynsianism I don't think so. Even the sensor of the D800 is so much for today
@@bobamarmstrong For me? 36 is easily enough. But high mp and high crop flexibility are important for some photographers.
Agreed on the megapixel wars. Literally there is zero need for more in this consumer segment. If you want 100mp, then phase one delivers.
She’s beautiful and has a lovely voice! That was a really nice treat for those of us who watched the video until the end☹️
Cheers. We do that in every video Katy appears in.
Money holds people back Matt , and if people aren't professional the D850 gets the job done with no issues. Thanks for the comparison .
I’ve had 2 D850’s for 3 years. Images still knock me out. And the greatest lens range in history
From everything I have seen, I would love a Z8. As someone who has a d850 just now, with a d750 as backup/second camera, the cost of switching and gradually upgrading all the glass is just unjustifiable for me at present.
Exactly the same gear and lots of expensive lenses while not a professional photographer. Only reason for me to „upgrade“ is lots of botched shots when it comes to sharp eyes but I think I need to work on my shooting before even thinking to spend a tremendous amount of money to become mirrorless.
@@jean-marcducommun8185 I found the Z9 focuses very well with AFS lenses. It does so much better at focusing on the eyes with the same lenses as opposed to the D4 and D800. I'm tempted to get a Z lens, but not today.
Everyone is quick to discard their current camera model for the latest on the market.But the truth is if you can't get the job done with what you have then you probably don't know what you are doing. I shoot everyday average people not models and they have skin issues and weight problems and I don't want the ultra high resolution camera.A older Nikon DSLR works great.
Great. Enjoy it. It isn’t ‘everyone’, as you put it. Some people have just bought, some are happy with what they have, and others have been waiting and saving up to upgrade. They’re the ones watching most likely.
7:03 It's true that with mirrorless cameras, all AF points are equally powerful. But that's not because they're all cross-type; they're actually all line-type.
Am I the only one who still prefers the look of the D850 images?! They look easier on the eye and more natural. They have the smooth shadows and color transitions. I don't know man, whatever dark magic Nikon put into the D850 sensor is just incomparable still to this day. The Z8 images are sharper but D850 images just look smoother, more natural and overall better... I don't know what it is, they just look more natural and easier on the eyes to look at.
Could be that you prefer softer lenses
No, you are right. I have both the Z9 and D850 and the images from te D850 have beter color and feeling. And it doesn’t matter if you use native z lenses or use FX with the adapter. The image from the D850 have a more “MF” feeling
Mirrorless = soulless
I have been using Nikon for wedding for years. After post processing it does not matter how the photo looks in raw. Unless you want to shoot jpg, but then you can always set up the camera the way you like. To me, auto focus , accuracy, speed, weight, and consistency is more important. I do also agree with you, somehow I also like the d850 better for straight out of camera photos in this video
You are not alone😢
Great to see this comparison Matt! I still have a brand new D850, (never even shot it) that I've been debating keeping as a second body to the Z9, but I'm becoming more & more convinced to go fully with the mirrorless system & get the Z8. I just need to sell the D850 first. Hope you're kickin' covid! Thanks again for the video!
D850 still superior to Z8 in terms of dynamic range (same sensor as the Z9)
i'll buy your d850
@@juliep.Z8 Sensor the same as z9?
12:43 I like the colors of the D850 better, but they are close. (I know colors are a preference and you can work them, but if I wanted to fight colors I will have changed brands already) and 12:50 The colors of the Z8 are way off. Is this an anomaly?
Hello Matt, Thanks for a great comparison video. I have a friend who uses his D850 and I know he like my Z9, so I think this Z8 look amazing and I am looking forwards to getting my hands on one at some point. Keep well, keep safe and enjoy life.
Nice video Matt! I'm a Nikon user for 3 decades. The D850 was a great camera which shook the photo world with its abilities and build quality. It was a machine which stood out of the bunch! The Z8 doesn't do it. It is a downscaled Z9. Nothing special in its category concerning also the competition. I have 2 D850's plus some other full frame bodies. I was expecting a new sensor at least and a higher resolution, but no... A professional photographer will go for a Z9 straight because it is a dealbreaker also. The Z8 is a camera that for sure it is going to be used by pros but (Nikon) have in mind that the D850 was bought by a huge portion of highly skilled amateurs or pros who do fine art, landscape and other genres. It is hard for all of us to switch system if the camera hasn't anything special to offer. The Z8 also comes at a very high price. 1000 more than the D850 with a simpler design (no mirror and shutter) based on software development with cheaper manufacturing costs. (This applies to all brands). So they better be serious in the future... With 4000 thousand euros I would prefer to go for a GFX 50SII to get the benefits of a larger sensor. Powerful Autofocus is not the first thing for all the users. The only sirious camera in the mirrorless line of Nikon is the Z9. It is the Z8 also but it hasn't got 'star' to bring the people 'in'... I was waiting for the Z8 all this time but I wasn't impressed at all. If I would upgrade I would go for the Z9. The rest of the bunch is 'one more'.....
I own a Z8 and its good. But not long ago I saw and hold a D850 for the first time in my life.
And yes. IT has something 😌
The whole debate DSLR vs mirrorless is pointless. I see People using D4's for pro work and live from that camera.
Just buy what you prefer. Nobody Will tell the difference between your shoots if you own a Z8 or D850.
Two points of contention, 1) silent shooting in live mode is achievable and B) I follow plenty of RUclips channels that use the d850, so you are nowhere near being the last to move over to mirrorless. I knew from the start of your video what direction it would take. Anyone who knows the story of John Henry and the steam hammer knows that new technology wins out over old.
11:54 just use liveview on the D850 then :). Yes it's slow with focusing but perfectly fine for portraits. I never found the mirrorless nikons to have pleasing colors. Much more prefer the D850's skin tones. But I love the look of the Z8 body though! Wish they put in a higher res EVF. Thanks for the comparison! Was fun!
I’m really excited about the pre shutter release buffer and ibis. Taking underwater and sports photography, getting that extra edge to get the shot is a difference ..
Olympus cameras got this since 2015 lol
@@Makta972 And yet they don't even have full frame.... lol
Great video! Hope you are feeling better. This is the camera I have been waiting for. Bought a few Z lenses late last year when they were on sale as they are again now as I expected this but thought it would have come in February once the Z9 stock issue was no longer. My D850 will go on the shelf. Help me understand the reason why there is a desire for larger MP like 60 or 80? There is so many options to upscale an image if you really need it. The additional size of the image is another consideration also. I know I will have to get used to the view finder but technically it is far superior. Excited to get it and start using it!
Is the difference in price between a decent used D850, especially if you already have many F mount glass, and a new Z8 and the fact that you have to buy new, expensive glass, worth it? I believe unless you are a pro working in the harshest conditions and making a lot of money at it, you'd be a fool to from a D 750, D 810 or D850 to mirrorless. What do you think will be better when you do street photography or potrait? Some people really want me to believe that those "old" DSLR simply can't lock focus on one eye or will not be able to get the shot done. Really?
🎉I not giving up my Nikon D850, that Z8 is a beast, my clients can not tell the differences between the 2 cameras 😂😊😂 nor the pictures...😮
Thank you you are right
I still find D850 colour tone on the skin much natural and vignette is much darker then Mirrorless Cameras. Z series have warm yellowish tone or flat tone.
Big difference in price between the z8 and d850, at least in Australia. I just upgraded to a d850 from d810. Too much afs glass to chuck it all away.
What is you experience between them both. What are the differences?
I prefer my D810
Having grown up on Nikon starting with a F80 then D70, D700 I switched to Sony A7iv at the end of 2022 and now this Z8 really has me drooling. I went to Tin Cheung Camera today and they said it's not in yet and HK prices are not published, they reckon it might be close to the Z9 pricing.
I am particularly excited with the Nikon come back… Z9 compressed into a smaller affordable body is great… But it is equally exciting to watch Nikon finally catch up on the marketing front… counter for launch date, product already distributed to influencers in the community, simultaneous release of influencer videos globally with the product release… If Nikon keeps this up, they will grab significant market share from Canon and Sony… and with a Zf from Fuji 😂
👍🏼 like the specs, their launch strategy also didn’t change since the z9
Well if fuji ever cared to deliver a full frame
Man there’s some tough customers in this comments section. I shot with the D850 for 5 years and I loved that camera more than anything. I got the Z9 and several Z lenses. You can get amazing images with the D850 but the Z9/Z8 and Z lenses are way better in ease of use, speed, accuracy and image quality. Just in terms of image quality, the Z cams and lenses are sharper, little to no purple/green fringing and way less color noise in the higher ISO ranges.
Been shooting mirrorless for a few years now, but recently shot with family member's d500--wow is that shutter loud. Also picked up a d610 for a few min--geez the AF point area is tiny. Mirrorless has some significant advantages
I recently upgraded my camera to Nikon D850 to Z8
What is your conclusion so far?
Sounds a little too much like an ad for the Z8. Sure, I get it - new tech and all…but the difficulties with OVFs have existed since the beginning of time and photographers have learned the skills to overcome them. I don’t mean to undervalue the Z8 but the D850 in skilled hands is still a beast of a workhorse.
I had some regrets getting rid of a D850 but your video has put that to rest.
Z9 is much better than d850 from my experience. I’d assume you won’t regret with Z8
You won’t regret it, I sold my d850 for z9 and it’s been a complete pleasure.
Excellent Review! You're right about one thing. It's hard to Beat NEW TECH!!! Its about making the Job easier & optimizing the Final Product!
I have BOTH the D850 and the Z6ii. I have learned that both cameras have their 'best uses'. The D850 is perfect for landscapes and sports. The Z6ii is better for capturing colors and is superior when it comes to VIDEO. At the end of the day, it's the lense on the camera that makes the difference. D850 does much better with big lenses ie 200mm+, and the Z6ii is better with smaller focal lengths, and tighter shots........
I hated the z6ii for video. Such a cheap look and bad colors. My d800 is better for video look wise..
Sometime in the future I'm picking up a FX DSLR.
What I'm debating now is D850 vs D780. According to reviews and videos it looks like the D780 is a bit of a hybrid machine with Lice View focusing taking a lot of tech from the Z series.
Your thoughts?
D850 is better , love mine
I would Zeiss manual focus lenses anyway I don’t like Nikon lenses. The build quality on the D850 is better and made in Japan. The new mirrorless camera feel cheaper made.
The advantages of the EVF, AF coverage and IBIS have been quite clear since long before the Z8 came along. I was rather hoping for seeing as well a comparison of IQ using the same lens on both cameras - particularly, I'd like to see top-notch F-mount primes such as the 105mm f/1.4E and the 28mm f/1.4E in such a test, since the 50mm f/1.4G is nowhere near those, let alone a state-of-the-art Z-mount 50mm f/1.2S. Even the 58mm f/1.4G is a lens full of character, but not exactly known for its sharpness. I understand your remark that your goal was to compare both systems, but USD 4000 is still quite an investment and many people will probably keep using the Z8 with F-mount glass they still have for a while - especially lenses such as the ones I've mentioned above, which have no Z-mount analog -, so in retrospect I still feel something is missing in this shootout.
Well, the thing is that the sensor is identical to the Z9's, and Matt has done a ton of work with F-mount lenses on the Z9. I think you'd be interested in those other videos of his. Bottom line: he says the Z9 brings the best F-mount glass to new levels, even with AF.
@@gyozakeynsianism true, I saw these videos as well and I expect it to be the case based on IBIS alone, but how each AF system interacts with the lens is also important and a direct shootout comparison between the Z9 and the D850 using the same F-mount glass on both hasn't been done there either, as far as I remember. That would be useful to D850 owners (like me) who might be considering the jump to Z8 in the near future but for which the USD 4000 figure (about 50-60% more than that here in Brazil, btw) also bears a critical weight in the decision. Personally, as it stands I'd still wait for a cheaper, lighter, Expeed 7-equipped Z6 III to go mirrorless and keep the D850 I still love, also because the latter should drop in price considerably in the next weeks/months and I'm not sure that selling it will make up for the price difference by then.
Probably the most useful Z8 video iIve seen yet - it's making the comparison that a huge number of potential Z8 buyers are likely making in their heads. Well done - thanks.
Hope you get better soon! I hated my Covid experience. 😞
Absolutely agree that this is the very best Z8/D850 comparison!! My Covid experience in February was bad, but the worst part was know knowing if I would live through it.
@@kennethraysealsphotography3513 Sorry to hear that - must have been terrible. I hope you're back to 100 % or close (many people aren't).
Because of pre-existing health issues, my Covid experience was bad, though not life-threatening. But I still have curious lingering symptoms months later.
Thanks for the video. Very informative. I'd be curious to see a comparison between the Z7II and the Z8 for portraits.
The Z7ii easily wins .This is from a person that has Z9,Z7ii and D850.
I dont get why you used different lenses across the bodies. what you did was a comprison of eco-systems, not of Z8 versus D850. The issue was to use a 200mm f2 or a 105 1.4 in both bodies and compare.
Thumbs up for the pirouette. LOL. Made my day. Great singing!
Dear Matt. For the first time ever I may disagree with you. I have totally lost faith in the Z system. Didn't even realize it happened unconsciously, as I never reach for it anymore.
Operationally, despite many peoples claims that the Z focuses well I find it cumbersome. For any moving action I seldom use autofocus, so one of the real issues is the poor manually focusing ring. I find it impossible to use precisely or control. Just yesterday I forced myself to bring the Z9 to a marathon I was commissioned to shoot. I was like bringing a knife to a gunfight. The camera was too slow to respond and unable to be precisely controlled. Pulled out my back up D850 w of all things, the 85mm F/1.4 G lens, a lens I never liked, and got supreme control and stellar images. I always felt the color in the middle apertures was stellar, easily surpassing any Z lens, but as everyone else hails, not the sharpest tool in the shed. However, the images were tack, under moving conditions. So? I know this G lens in terms of sharpness to my mind has always been the dullest of the F mount Nikkors. But the images were sharp. And the color, the clients noticed that is stood out compared to most, if not all of the other published shooters whom were using mirrorless cameras of a wide range of brands. As others have also noticed, the color out the z lenses leaves something to be desired. In some ways Z lens color reminds me of rangefinder lenses from the 1940s and 1950s. I was asked back to shoot the August 24, 2023 Triathlon for the event and several personal individuals. The stand out color clearly contributed to the invite.
And I don't shoot this kind of thing normally ( High Fashion, Entertainment, Executive and Lawyer portraits and the occasional event ).
I will do a more head to head shoot out of the Nikkor 85mm F/1.4 G and the 85mm F/1.8 Z and send you the results. On the same camera, probably on the Z7II, as it is ever slightly better in image quality that the Z8 or Z9. About a 1/3 greater dynamic range. Barely noticeable, but is there. Snappier, richer images. D850 has the same dynamic range as the Z7II.
Am not discounting the many, many advantages of the Z mount Nikkors display. For me, most noticeably, the general absence of that horrible blue violet casts and edges, the sharp performance wide open, and the apparent, though not sure real, constrastier overall look.
I will always love Nikon and dream about the D850. But now I'm on the dark side with Canon R6. Debating on Z8 vs R3. My hearth lean to Nikon.
come...to the Nikon side....we have cookies
@@ts7071 Oh I love cookies. I started with a D5300, ill come back for another cookie.
Thank you Matt.Excellent and pleasant video.Can you please do the same for landscape photography?Thanks
Introduced the same technology as from October 28, 2021 (Nikon Z9), but in smaller body ? What Nikon was doing all this time ?
Selling z9s 😂
Thank you for doing a portrait review of those 2 cameras! It helped me a lot!
Thanks for the vid. I prefer OVF experience and DSLR experience to be honest. EVF on z8 could have been better.
Resolution is WAY overrated. I was debating getting the R5 (45 MP) or R6 II (24 MP) last fall. I've been shooting as a pro for 18 years mostly with the 1D Mark III (10 MP) and then got the 5D Mark IV and EOS R (30 MP). I wasn't too happy about going down to 24 MP but wondered if it mattered. I did a comparison with the R6 II and R5 by upscaling the R6 II files to 45 MP using Adobe Camera Raw (most people don't realize you can do this).
I then overlayed the files in PS and did a "blind" comparison of the layers at 100% zoom on a 5K monitor. I mostly couldn't tell which was which (was about 50/50). This was using Canons best RF primes and zooms for portraits and landscapes.
Then I used the Adobe Camera Raw/LR "Enhance Super Resolution" feature on the R6 II files, and output to 45 MP. Again I did a "blind" comparison in PS at 100% zoom and guess what. 9/10 I picked the R6 II files as being sharper and more detailed. I sent these comparisons to a designer friend without telling him which was which layer and he too picked the R6 II files as being sharper and more detailed 9/10 times. We both have about 30 years between us in photo and design.
I've done the same with R6 vs A7IV files (20 vs 33 MP) and got the same results. The lens and AF sharpness is more important than advertised resolution.
And btw, I've had billboard prints for advertising printed on city buses that came from an 8 MP (1D Mark IIN) camera and they looked PHENOMENAL. Things like dynamic range and AF reliability are way more important than resolution (which is why I love the R6 Mark II because it's the best in it's class for these things, arguably the best all around for AF).
Thanks Matt..
Would love to keep my 850, but when the time comes to go ML....I still kinda like the Z9.. watching all the Z8 vids... might change my mind... who knows..
Thank you Matt not to be too judgy but I've been following you since the Nikon guy and even though you still pronounce Nikon wrong ;) I have really really really found a lot of respect for you over the last few videos and I know the Shibari course is just gonna blow me away. While I won't be getting the Z8, I have tried the Z7ii side by side with the D750, and aside from the very obvious clarity difference the ability to see your exposure real time the full frame focus is where its at. I will be getting the Z7ii for sure and can't wait to evolve into the Z glass. So sad my 300, and 500 are both AF-S. Thank you for a great review
Haha. Cheers Michael.
I wish they put all the aux info outside the frame on the EVF same to DSLR
I am in my mid 60's and have no plans to switch to mirrorless. Heck, I am still shooting a Nikon F5 along side my D850. If I were younger, I would jump on the Z camera's in a heartbeat.
12:36 where is the socket in the Z8 picture? 🤔
I’m still GAS’ing over that D850, Z8 is impressive for sure.
Get well Matt. Thanks for the video.
the Z8 in clipping some harsh light in the model face etc more than the d850 i can see....is that correct? thanks!
Which lens is that on the 850? Looks like a 35mm 1.4
as always amazing video ... but, why dont save your back and use screen and tilt screen ?
Mobility is important :)
@@mattgranger I agree... and finding myself using it oldfashion way.
If i have Z9 would you recommend to get Z8 or it no sense?
If you have a z9, I imagine you know what works for you 👍🏼 it’s pretty simple. Are the trade offs worth the size weight and cost saving, for you?
@@mattgranger I was really hoping for Z8 to be a 61mp camera or higher. Would buy it without thinking
I have a Z9 and see no need for the Z8. And I am keeping my D850 for landscape and nature closeup work.
Reading all the comments I come to the conclusion that the price to upgrade from a lens-wise well equipped D850 to the Z8 can hardly be justified for an amateur photographer like me. I have to work on myself first. Could be different for a professional of course.
C'est vrai.
Just Nice and Cool to see the sing at the end...its complete the main menu which already superb!....
you basically used one of the worst 1.4s in Nikon F mount with one of the best Z primes. Why? just why?
Matt, thanks as always for your thorough videos.
Question for you. You said we can use our F-Mount lenses with the Z8. I’m a D850 with all the pro lenses.
In an ideal world I’d replace the D850 and lenses with the Z line but if budget is an issue would you said it’s still a good move to upgrade to the Z8 and use my F-mount lenses or will I only really see a big benefit by replacing everything?
Why isn't there a side-by-side comparison photo in this video?!!! Is it really the first time you make a comparison?
Not the first no. With RUclips compression you can’t judge, that’s why I give sample download files.
D850 is beast and will always be one of the best ever made with its killer HDR. Love mine, along with my D5, D4 and D500. And getting a mirrorless is not necessarily an “upgrade”. The Z6 or Z7 are far from better than the D850
In your opinion why is using 3d continuous af for this kind of shooting? I never saw before... I have to admit I'm not a professional, maybe there is something that i ignore for sure.
The Z6 or Z7 isn’t what this video was about. It was about the Z8 compared to the D850. Why you would mention those two is crazy talk.
Thanks for the video mate. I’ve just changed d850 to z8. I agree the af is a vast improvement with eye af. I don’t like that you can’t lock the multi selector as you could on the d850. I’m slowly getting used to the minuscule click the z8 makes compared to that satisfying click of the 850.
By the way, the harnes/strap your wearing, what brand please. Looks good.
Cheers. Its BR Breathe strap: geni.us/bNhT
Было бы не плохо показывать и настройки, что за обьектив, какая диафрагма, выдержка и т д
If I purchase the Z8, will my Flashpoint/Godox flashes(V860ii...AD200...Flashpoint 600)sync with the Z8
Sure.
Great info Matt. Hope you’re feeling better.
Thanks mate. I’m getting there 👍🏼
8:28 it's a bit annoying that the information overlaps with the frame, why can't it be placed outside?
raw file is not the same whether that matters anymore THE D850 is almost 2x that of zed 9-8
I’m on the fence between the Z8 and Z9, I shoot my D810 with the grip all the time and by the time you buy a grip and battery for the z8 you’re close to z9 price territory. Also the reason for me is to keep my lenses and lighting which if I replace it would be too much money and they won’t give me really anything for what I have at the moment. I’m thinking to most likely just go with the z9 instead.
Well not exactly. It's still about $1,000 difference. I would get the z8 with the grip and an extra battery. Specifically since i have big hands and the z8 with the grip is bigger than the z9
i need a z8 vs z9 compa. Moreover, why buy a 9, apart from the verti?
The build quality of the Z8 is poor compared to that of the Z9; unlike the Z9 which is made entirely of Magnesium-Alloy; only the Z8's front is Magnesium-Alloy, the rest is carbon fibre and plastic; another utterly stupid decision by Nikon, they might as well had employed dunces to work for them instead of university graduates.
Would you up grade to mirror-less and keep a dslr as a back up or would it be to different?
I wouldn’t. Why have two lens systems
But at the start, using lens adapter, then yeah it could work
This video proves what I've been saying of late. "We live in the world of instant gratification." Don't think, let the processor do it for you.
They're going to have to do a hell of a lot better for me to replace my D850 and it's 2024!
I keep nostalgically thinking how good the d850 is then this reminded me! Though I still love using the 28, 58 and 105 1.4's on mirrorless
This was very insightful/informative/useful/helpful. Thank you very much.
Thanks for this . The 1st comparison I wanted for sure
thanks for the review!!! According to my observation, all mirrorless cameras of the professional segment are technologically better. But on DSLRs, the picture is more natural, the structure of stones, water, hair .. The quality on mirrorless cameras is excellent, but the image is plastic!
Thanks for sharing. Can’t say I agree on either point, but appreciate your thoughts.
45 to 60 megapixels isn’t that big of a difference. It’s not deal breaker at all. What I want is 16bit color
Time for medium format then
@@mattgranger Is having 16bit files a physical limitation because of the sensor or is that just something camera manufacturers prefer not to release? I agree with the previous comment about wanting that instead of more MP.
@@mattgranger I have been lusting over the GFX cameras. But the almost $3,000 85 1.2 I just bought says otherwise.
4:23 It was very interesting to see an old USSR schoolbook in your video =))
For me it's a bit nostalgic.
I'm also have D850 and thinking about buying Z8 :)
Hey Matt great video. Can you test lenses on the z8 with FTZ adapted lens. 58 1.4 , 105 , etc
Matt has done a few great videos on the Z9 with those top F-mount lenses. Check them out, they're very useful and revealing. (And other lazy RUclipsrs don't bother with this kind of quality content!)
😊very nice shots an far the best Modell for now , oh that voice , wow
She has some pipes…. Loved her sound….5 Stars
To get around most of this I put it on Live View and touch the screen to focus and take the picture.
To get around most of what?
The battery life of the z8 is a show stopper for me, I will keep the d850.
Z8 battery life is really good!
@@mattgrangerOnly if one uses the EVF; but for those who compose their subjects using the rear LCD the battery life is crap. It's so much easier and quicker to compose using the LCD as the subject appears considerably larger on a LCD thus making it easier to notice and correct errors before making a exposure, especially when using wide-angle lenses.
I have been a pro for 50 years. The D850 clearly has a better look and more soul.
the eVF is great, but your argument was not convincing. you could have checked in the back of the screen afters shooting in the d850 and take again. you dont need to wait for post to fix the problem.
Enjoy your DSLRs mate.
@@mattgranger thanks. traded my d850 for Z 50mm 1.2 long time ago.
Matt had done a comparison video with D200 and D850 and went out asking ppl which pic they like more 8 of 10 ppl chose the D200 because of its less sharp and smoother image. It is exactly the same situation but here the D850 wins cause of less sharp and smoother looking images.
I've heard that the Nikon Z8 doesn't handle sigma F mount lenses consistently i.e., locks up and you need to turn off the camera and back on and it locks up again after a few images. Any feedback on this? Thank you.
Don’t know sorry. I didn’t buy a Z8 and I don’t own sigma lenses.
I understand all the arguments for mirrorless. Only problem is, that the stuff is 3x more expensive.
It really isn’t.
I am dreaming of an hybrid between the d780 and the d850 with a gps. It will be outstanding to have an OVF which can become a EVF. Liveview-> EVF. OVF in DSLR mode. The cherry on top will be a gps to geotag the pictures.
Sometimes dreams come true. Sadly, I don't think this one will haha. Cheers mate.
great vid, learned much from this one, Z8 looks much more attractive now. thanks Matt!!
still watching the video, i'm glad to hear my Z8 prepurchase is possibly a good idea, Jumped on pre-order just as fast as i did with the D850 originally. I wont have any Z lenses yet so hoping the F lenses behave moderately near the level of improvement on the Z system.. worried but i likely will get Z lenses at some stage but will possibly have to slowly add a ton of lenses soon after
This should reassure you: ruclips.net/video/S-BhBdKYo3s/видео.html
I get it…the Z8 is a nice body BUT I’d rather have a D850 🙌🏾
My mom is a photographer and she has a D850. After watching this video, Z8 is absolutely bettery than D850 but my mom said she'll stay with D850 because first, the price to spend. If my mom moves to Nikon Z8, she has to replace lens and memory card. My family just moved to a new house, so we don't have much money. Also, my mom didn't really use D850 alot so I think my mom's opinion is the best
I agree with you mum - of course! FYI you can use your lenses and memory cards with the z8 too
Could you do the same comparison with wildlife please? c",)