Still don’t care. Am still bashing my head on the wall of why charisard is so popular. Yes, it’s a dragon! That’s it! Like it if you want, I just can’t see what’s so cool that it needs everything.
Pikachu's problem, at least with me, is that Raichu is ignored so much. If Raichu (and Pichu to an extent) was used as part of the marketing I wouldn't care about the overexposure that much.
You know that if Raichu did not exist, there would be a Mega-Pikachu, but since it exists, they had to invent a whole new special battle form that doesn't matter if it's fully evolved just so Pikachu could finally get something like that.
I am sick of how over exposed Charizard is, though in the defense of Smash 4, Sakurai went out of his way to mention that the 3DS was having difficulty with Pokémon Trainer and that he wanted both versions to have the same roster. It’s the same reason why Ice Climbers weren’t in that game as well.
Plus charizard was probably the best choice, squirtle was the best in brawl but his nice set wasn’t exactly overflowing with originality and ivysaur was worse than canon if you wanted to solo main even without stamina Plus the zard walk was a meme
Yeah, I know WHY Pokemon Trainer got scaled back, I'm just worried that since they did it once it'll be easier to do it again, even if the hardware can keep up now. But maybe the unique gimmick will at least save it...
Honestly after smash 4 being the best charzard ever was And playing PM. They should have just made all 3 different characters Rock smash is 110% a better move then fail blitz Solar beam is so sick And Squirtle can just have another special move
Yeah Greninja got special treatment whereas the other two got nothing, Meowth got alolan form, galarian form with a new evolution to it and in the same gen got a G Max for its Kanto counterpart yet no one complaints bout it instead the only thing that's visible to people is Charizard getting special treatment, Charizard without being the mascot is still a huge cash cow to the company so it rightfully deserves the special treatment it gets unlike Greninja and Meowth
Your criticisms with Greninja are valid, and I will admit Greninja getting it's own exclusive form while Chesnaught and Delphox didn't get anything is pretty unfair (I think they all should've gotten Mega Evolutions, had they not cancelled that enhanced Kalos game) and isn't my favorite Pokemon from Kalos, but I still think Greninja a really cool Pokemon, and I get why it's it's so popular.
Honestly, GameFreak *REALLY* screwed up by not giving the Kalos starters Megas(which is most likely why the anime writers had to make one up for Ash to use).
@@nickdentoom1173 I kind of do blame the games, because the reason why the anime had to create the Ash-Greninja form in the first place is because there were no Gen 6 Pokémon that could Mega-Evolve(besides Diance, but Ash was obviously never going to get that) & the anime writers at the time were still hard-locked into only allowing Ash to catch/have "Current-Gen" Pokémon(plus Pikachu). There's also the, at the time, still-persisting delusion(among the execs, at least) that the anime would be over if Ash ever actually won a game-based Pokémon League, but that's another issue altogether. Giving all three Kalos starters their own Mega forms would've easily & immediately solved *A LOT* of very solvable problems, in both the games & the anime; unfortunately, that didn't happen, so we're stuck dealing with the mess we currently have.
I think the reason Garchomp is so favored because of what it did to the game, it was honestly the start to the Dragon Domination that lasted till they made fairy to stop it. Also it’s a freaking land shark that’s cool af.
I've always favored haunter over gengar especially design and representation...only reason i even used it was for pokedex reasons but i always went and caught two ghastly
@@harold5337 exactly, honestly it could've stayed a two stage with a few buffs to the base stats and i would've definitely been ok with that lol. Gengar is cool and all but the design lags a bit
Lucario feels really overrated to me. I guess the anime tricked people into thinking it was a legendary, but that effect should have ended when the games came out. Its biggest gimmick is being a mixed attacker who can be taken out by any fighting or ground type move.
Yeah, I agree, I've never "gotten" the Lucario hype. It's not terrible, but it's just, like, a fox that punches people. I genuinely don't understand why it's so popular as compared to a bunch of other equally interesting and good pokemons
I don't know if I'd hold the Entei in the movie being an illusion against it since Entei still by far (and rightly so) got more attention in that movie than the Unown, which were relegated to basically just being a plot device to let the movie happen, while Entei was the one who got to be an actual character. It had the emotional moments where it was doing everything it could to make Molly happy, the epic battle against Charizard, and the heroic sacrifice at the end. Suicune, on the other hand, definitely played second fiddle to Celebi in Pokémon 4Ever. It was honestly just kinda there, helping out whenever it was needed and not getting much attention beyond that. I don't think that really makes up for Suicune getting to be a box art legendary (and being a fighter in Pokkén), but I'd definitely say Entei got the better deal of the movies.
I never understood why Suicune is always the Beast to get any hype or special attention. As a kid I always saw Raikou as the leader/main one of the three. Its design strikes a great balance between the grace and fury Suicune and Entei respectfully represent. Entei is always seems more popular and liked within the fandom.
Another Raikou fan here. I never really saw any of them as leaders, but tbh, I didn't think of that as a kid, ahaha. Thinking of it now, I feel like those three are just like the Regis; Three underlings of a much greater being (the beasts being under Ho-Oh since it's the one whose shrine they live under, although i thought Lugia would be it as well. I forgot though that Lugia didn't have a shrine in the OGs, but it's been ages since I last played either Johto game). Side note: So glad some people are saying "Beasts" instead of "dogs", because Raikou and Entei are more feline based, or at least Raikou. I see a saber tooth tiger and a lion-ish creature with Suicune, of whom may be the only "canine" of the group. xD Who thought all three were actually dogs? Saber Tooth Tiger is unamused. :P
I definitively feel like both Gengar & suicune was pushed by the Pokemon company themselves instead of the fans themselves. I especially hate how Suicune has basically made the other 2 beast non-important entities these days. When was the last time you saw Raikou or Entei ON THEIR OWN in an important role?
Yeah and when was the last time we've seen suicune be in the same roll as entei and raikou? Like in some games entei and raikou are roaming legendaries and suicune got it's on special place to be catch like if they not even were raleted and the worst part is that entei in some media was supposed to be the leader of the trio and not this blur hot dog
Right? I get why they'd prioritize Gengar maybe, since it was the only Ghost, but we had TONS of Water types by the end of Gen 2, so what made Suicune so special?
11:39 I don't really understand this argument. Greninja can learn all of Water Shuriken, Shadow Sneak, Hydro Pump, Substitute, and the description of Secret Ninja Attack clearly states that it's using Mat Block, which is one of its signature moves in the games.
Unfortunately Zard has caused a rift in some of my friendships, a lot of my friends think I hate it because I don't want to see it get into every gen let alone be a rep for the gimmick, but in truth he's grown on me. But that doesn't stop me from pointing out that not only did it get a g max form before the other Kanto starters but it got it before the freaking starters of Galar which like jfc that's bad. Not to mention it also got two Megas, as you pointed out, but the starters of Kalos didn't even get one, like WTF?
tbh, i feel the same. My favorite Pokemon is Glalie, but i get tired of seeing it in every gen since inclusion (Except for 5). Give other Pokemon some love, Gamefreak. One of the other Pokemon that falls into that category is Talonflame. Its in my top 10, but has been in every gen since inclusion. Like, i get that Talonflame is popular and that Glalie is probably a favorite of someone in the staff of Gamefreak (Since its an odd choice for a Mega as well), but come one.
@@nickdentoom1173 it's very much the same with me and Eevee, it's my all time favourite Pokémon but Gamefreak just needs to chill out with putting it in every game, I still love it with my whole heart though
You said like that was new thing or exclusive Zard thing. Blaziken gets his megas long before the others of hoen, he was the first gen 3 showed in anime. Greninja has a exclusive and unique form.
@@eeveewonder6277 doubt eevee wont show up, it has to many pokemon tied to it. aslogn as we have eevees and water stones im happy) never can get tired of vaporeon
Probably this is why I feel that Gen 3 starters are the most balanced in terms of reception. Sceptile was loved in the anime. Blaziken was loved in the games. Swampert was loved by the fanbase.
Great points on Greninja. Its interesting to think about the ways in which the company itself synthetically boosted it's popularity. I have got to say that Pikachu has never been a favourite of mine but I have to give it all the respect for carrying the burden of being the mascot of an insanely successful and longevous franchise. There is a reason its been so successful in that role and was, in hindsight, a masterstroke choice from the company from the beginning. I love suicune - one of my favourites ever. I wish the other two received more love though. Three of the best designs to date.
In my eyes, they're the perfect (non-plot focused) trio, in design and even lore. Just ambiguous and roaming anywhere, to be discovered and to be in awe
I don't think Garchomp deserves a spot on this list, being the strongest pokemon in the (arguably) hardest battle of the series does earn some deserved points in popularity. Not quite his fault if the other pseudos couldn't live up to the bar he setted Back in 2006. Also game freak did the same "mistake" with every single pseudo after him: so being constantly overshadowed by another pokemon introduced the very same generation, think about Goodra and Dragapult, instead of being the aces of the champion team they're in by using the new mechanics that spot woa given to another pre existing pokemon namely Gardevoir and Charizard, and none of them needed a boost in popularity, while brand new pokemon were left out of the table. This is somewhat more excusable in gen 6 wjere they only gave megas to previous gen mons (besides diancie but that was a later release as mistery gift), the other way around in gen 8 this mistake is abysmal as they made the gmax available for galar Pokémon as well..... So I think Garchomp is fine being popular, the other pseudos should have been treated better. If I'm to pick a replacement I'd say Eevee or even Meowth; think about it's gmax: Pikachu and Eevee were the mascots of the very previous games so it would make sense, but Meowth being the only other unevolved mon to get a gmax is absurd..... Now, we know the gmax energy only crops up in galar, and Meowth has a regional variant there, so it'd be logical to have gmax galarian Meowth or gmax Perrserker.... But nop, we got the gmax regular Meowth, which is not even in the galar dex..... So this pokemon is basically overshadowing itself, plus the fact that it's the only one having all the possible regional forms so far (I'm really NOT looking forward to a paldean Meowth being revealed).
"being the strongest pokemon in the hardest battle of the series" This, this is the reason why it's so overrated, can't even have an opinion where i just 1 shot it then this Cynthia fans will defend it like their life depends on it
@@jayq2571 It's not Cynthia as a character, it's the battle being objectively harder than many others. It's not me, it's a well shared opinion. Also, I'm just explaining my point, my life doesn't depend on that.
Being the "strongest" Pokemon Cynthia has is very different from being the hardest to fight; one Ice move and it's done... But I agree with the Meowth sentiment, it seems to be everywhere lately. Although we have seen regular Meowth in the Gen 9 trailers, so I think we're spared this time...
@@jodygrottino8257 But its not a battle ojectively harder than many others, since everyhing depends on team build-up. The only one of Cynthia's mons that gives me genuine trouble is Spritomb. However, if you rock out with Froslass, four out of six Pokemon already die against it Gastrodon/Togekiss, Garchomp, Roserade and Milotic if you run Freeze-Dry). Like for me Diantha is the hardest, since i needed three re-tries against her team, since i didn't have an active counter against Aurorus and Mega Gardevoir (Ergo: Lacking a Steel and Fighting type).
@@nickdentoom1173 back then freeze-dry didn't exist that's only in BDSP. Also all the Cynthia's Pokémons have perfect IV, if you don't pay attention to your team EVs having a Weavile with Ice shard won't save you couse it might resist, and if you don't run ice shard and only rely on weavile's speed (still without EVs) you might be outspeeded. The fact that your team building needs to be pretty accurate it only means that the challenge you're preparing for it's hard. Also if you want to say that everything is about team building then there's no difficult fighting in the series at all, it's obvious that if you build up a counter team you're gonna have easy time, that's true for Cynthia, that's true for Red and that's true for Leon and everyone else. However many people don't really do team building at all, they just play with a team that they like and seems strong to them, there's no team in the world that perrfectly counter every challenge in the game, so when you play for example pokemon platinum you're likely to came to cyntha with your adventire party, and not with a team that perfectly couter her's, maybe if you're in a Nuzlocke you do that, but even there your team needs to take into account elite 4 as well.
This is probably why a lot of people tend to like all three Gen 3 starters equally and is probably the most balance in terms of favoritism and exposure. None of the starters feels like they have an uneven amount of popularity or focus among each other despite their competitive values. Sceptile, Blaziken, and Swamper are all fairly shined among each other and in their respective typings. Unfortunately, this and maybe Gen 4 is probably the last time it happened because it’s easy to tell who will become the teacher’s pet in every other set of starters after that. The moment Cinderace’s hidden ability (Basically another Greninja with even less merit…) and stats were revealed, I knew he would get all the attention compared to Rillaboom and Inteleon. And guess who’s one of the first Pokémon in Pokémon Unite? Nowadays, it just seem like Gamefreak decides on which starter they want to pander or which starter is the loser. (Poor Meganium…..)
@@domenicavallone28 It’s kinda difficult to determine for Gen 5 because the case is the exact opposite of Gen 3 where they are probably the least popular trio of starters. I would say Emboar at first as they are trying so hard to make it the third coming of Blaziken and Infernape in terms of the games with it being the only one with a secondary typing and the widest movepool or another Infernape and Charizard with the anime, being another Fire starter Pokémon abandoned by a neglectful trainer but it seems that Gamefreak realized that never fly considering Emboar is probably the least popular since people are sick of the overused trends it brought as well as its design. For Gen 7, I would say Incineroar because of its Smash Bros debut but it’s relatively close with it and Decidueye. The latter did appear in Unite and Pokken after all. It was even considered for Smash but they went for Incineroar instead. All I know is that Primarina got benched in that generation in terms of focus.
Blaziken is much pushed up than the others gen 3 starters. It gets a Mega years before the others. Was the first introduced in anime beating Charizard. Its May Ace, and has the most broken abilities of any other starter in Gen 3.
@@TheQuasarDragon1706 The other two still got Mega evolutions and unlike Charizard, none of them get two. May is the only notable trainer who owns a Blaziken. The other two on the other hand, is a different case. Swampert and it’s evolution line is owned by 4 different trainers, one being Brock, another being Ash’s league rival, and one being a Battle Frontier. Heck, Brendan, the male protagonist from the games, used one in his cameo. Meanwhile, Sceptile: -Is owned by Ash who was the MVP of Katie’s battle aka one of the best match in the Hoenn league, fought freaking Deoxys, and KO’d Darkrai. -Was used by Tyson, the person who beat Ash in the Hoenn league. -Owned by Swayer, both who got a healthy amount of development in the XY series and gave an intense match against Ash and Greninja.
Gengar being a Clefable mirror might have to do with its initial concept being a doppelGENGAR. Unfortunately that property by nature made it less ghostly and down the line, took Levitate away.
Huh, didn't know Suicune was that overrated. But I do agree that it overshadows the other two in the trio. Especially poor Raikou, I mean at least Entei got a movie and it ain't even the best fire dog in Pokémon despite it being "legendary". But yeah Greninja definitely the most overrated Pokémon. Personally, I took an immediate dislike to it the moment I saw it though I do like it's previous form just fine.
Honestly my main surprise is that Suicune is on this list instead of Mewtwo. I always remembered hearing that when it came to overrated Pokemon, Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo were the "holy trio" as it were. I was going to say at Zard should have been number one, but you did bring up some good points for Greninja that I can agree with, despite the ninja frog being my favorite of the Kalos starters. (Not favorite Pokemon though, that goes to Grovyle and Sceptile). My favorite Kalos starter use to be Chesnaught, but my eyes were opened up once I realized that I loved all three forms of Froakie, while when it came to our knightly friend, I love Chespin and Chesnaught, but I don't really like Quilladin.
Mewtwo is just the G. Everyone knows and likes him and he gets love for being the strongest but for the most part he takes a back seat It's kinda like Reptile boys vs horse girls both are crazy but horse girl are on like level 500 crazy
Man. Since I was 8 years old I freaking loved charizard and I've never let that go. But even I played sw/sh and just went jeez guys give him a break dang. The x/y dual megas were fun and felt like GF couldn't make up their mind on multiple ideas, but by the time you get to Gen 8 it just felt like they were forcing a meh idea in its gigantimax form
I love Heatmor, his design is cool, he's an anteater with a fire lash tongue and it's rival is a steel ant that has a 2x weakness to it because it's a prey
Gengar and Greninja were two Pokemon that I enjoyed that were ruined for me by fans. Gengar was one of my favourite gen 1 Pokemon until I started watching The King Nappy back in the day. Even before all the stuff about his private life came out, his obsession and borderline aggression around Gengar made me kind of sick of seeing it and I stopped really wanting to use it until recently. Greninja meanwhile has been ruined for me by the militant XY anime fans who seem to think it is the only Pokemon that matters. Every discussion and rumour about Journeys seems to start with 'Greninja comes back and...', normally ending with it evolving into Jesus and 6-0ing every trainer in the world. Greninja wasn't my favourite Kalos starter (I think I'm in the minority that loves the Chespin line), but it is now one of my least favourites because of its fans.
I love Chespin too, that just means we can easily beat the vast armies of Greninja fans! Yeah, I mean I love Cubone, but I don't feel like I'm in your face about it, you know? Just let people like the Pokemon they like...
I'm also rather sick of how much people put gen6 on a pedestal, particularly with Greninja and Serena. The former I feel is a big reason why so many people got SOOOOOOO triggered by seeing Alain lose so badly to Leon, not just because it makes Leon look better by proxy, but also because it robbed Ash the chance to have his rematch against Alain and get the win with Greninja he "deserved" during Kalos, although I don't see too many people admitting this is part of why they hate that battle so much. As for Serena, you ALWAYS hear amourshippers talk about how they want to see Ash and Serena get together again, I even remember that there were some people who seemed disappointed that she didn't appear in the first episode of Journeys, even though it was more about introducing the audience to Goh and giving Ash's Pikachu a backstory before meeting Ash
I really do wish we could get more cool pseudolegends in the future that aren't all dragon type. Like sure, I do like Dragapult, Kommo-o, Garchomp, etc. I think they're cool designs. I just wish we also got more equally cool designs of things that don't have to be dragon. I'd say Metagross is my favorite pseudo based on appearance, it's really cool without being a dragon. I think there's plenty of room to work with in the realm of "what is cool" outside of assuming that being a dragon is a prerequisite to being cool.
I've been saying this for years I think it would be cool if we had a Fairy/Flying Griffin or an Ice/Fairy Yeti as psuedo legendaries, but no we can't get variety, they just keep giving us dragons.
Honestly Baxcalibur being so dissapointing as a design (and generally unliked) in gen 9, I hope can finally kill the dragon pseudo trend. It's really obvious they were picking straws with it, and much as I love dragons, always being a pseudo really devalues them. Goodra being a pure dragon type is where I thought it started being ridiculously typecast.
Yeah but I have heard some people complain about Kommo-o’s design. Like I get that it might be a little ugly, but it’s the first one to be a Dragon/Fighting type.
I agree with all of your points! Each of the mons definitely gets more spotlight than others. I hate to say I get sick of seeing Charizard so much that it kinda grosses me out when I see him ( he's a cool job but feels so over saturated). Give love to other mons. Heck so many pokemon need some other mon need love. When have you seen tropius since gen 5? You always see them put the same mons over and over again. Garchomp used to be my favorite dragon type but honestly I love flygon and kommo-o much more. I honestly think you should touch more onto this topic. It will be interesting to see what mons you bring up. I love your videos and always look forward to them.
@@emperorcubone I definitely agree though I think a regional form would do it well. Similar to our friendly egg pokemon that became a dragon type. Idk I feel like hoenn pokemon tend to not show up as often plus gen 5 ones. There were some good ones in there.
Agreed. By the time you catch them you already have a pretty well established team. That’s why I like how Scarlet and Violet seem to be doing it where you get them early on
Oh jeez, this is a dangerous topic. No matter what is said or what justification is used, there's bound to be a good chunk of people that will get legitimately angry when a Pokemon they think is rightfully popular gets called overrated.
Pikachu's biggest crime was stealing Squirtle's shine in Pokemon Go. There was Christmas hat and Birthday hat Pikachus in the game so far and everyone was asking for Squirtle Squad sunglasses. They announced that they were doing exactly that and a week before they gave sunglasses to Pikachu, for absolutely no reason.
typlosion is pushed so hard for such a boring pokemon. the way people got mad that it's flames aren't always on in it's 3d model...THATS HOW IT LOOKS! Feraligatr was given a great hidden ability that should have pushed up higher on people's favorite starters list yet it is still ignored because of how obsessed with nostalgia people are for typlosion. it's too much, he gets the hisuian form even tho meganium is the one who needs a boost like wtf
Suicune is a mix of aesthetic and lore as a beautiful and mystical entity that can purify damage to important aspects of the environment and showing most anywhere only to disappear as quick in to fading mists. Compared to its more "masculine" appearance and more destructive/abrupt powers of entei and raikou (volcanic eruption and lightning storms. though soil of dormant volcanoes is quite fertile and lightning strikes can actually recharge soil to support new plant growth), Suicune's more "feminine/androgynous" design mixed with its more prominent healing curative nature is gonna be more stand out as something people want to actually meet. Personally, I share your sentiment in that they need to prop up the other two more.
From what I've been told, to which feels legit to me, the reason Ash owns Gengar in Journeys because it's among the Pokémon he could've own given the writing direction. Especially during Indigo League, Ash had a Haunter for Sabrina's rematch. But Sabrina only _lost_ because Haunter managed to make her laugh, heck even gets to keep Haunter after the battle.
Suicune is such a weird case of Early Installment Weirdness. Johto introduced two big Legendaries (Lugia and Ho-Oh) rather than three, three "lesser" ones (the legendary beasts), and a Mythical (Celebi), and they didn't want to use the Mythical for the third version, so I guess they rolled the dice for who's going to be the third version mascot. That's my theory, there must be a good behind-the-scenes reason why Suicune is picked. 11:41 Actually, Greninja's four Special moves form a legal moveset (Water Shuriken/Shadow Sneak/Hydro Pump/Substitute), albeit with artistic license in how they function, e.g., Substitute being a counter-attack. But by Pokémon-in-Smash-standards, it isn't that bizarre. 12:33 In hindsight, I'm almost surprised Greninja can't learn any move from the new Fairy Type. I really want to know what's going on behind the scenes.
Just my opinion: should be renamed to overused/overrepresented, most of these are not overrated at all, they are actually powerful and prove themselves easily. Overrated meaning something being better than it really is, which I agree pikachu surely is, all others are very powerful. Maybe charizard not so much, except the megas.
Lucario is so overrated. I hate it. Its not deserved. Its an ugly blue dog with spikes on it. How come people get mad about meowscarada and incineroar were criticized for being bipedal but its okay for lucario to be standing up? Lucario meat riding is insane.
I can sorta excuse Suicune being the third box legendary because it was early days of Pokémon. Gen 1 had all the starters as their box mascot and Gen 2 began the box legendary tradition we see to this day. They probably realized later on that Ho-Oh and Lugia where only a duo and didn’t know what to do for the 3rd version of the game so they just slapped Suicune on the cover and had every future box legendary be a trio (Weather Trio, Creation Trio, etc.) though because of that they felt the obligation to push it more than the other legendary beast.
They should've made Mewtwo the third boxart legendary. They aren't connected thematically but they share stats. They make a pretty good trio, in my opinion.
And poor Misdreavus. In her home region she wasn’t even used by the ghost leader (when Gengar and it were the only ghost types) and she was lucky Sinnoh gave her an evolution. And even then had to live in poor Gengars shadow with it being in the dex too, and being exclusive only to Pearl.
@@harold5337 yeah Misdreavus is so cool and I love Mismagius! And if I'm not mistaken they haven't given it any attention since Sinnoh right? It's a shame...
@@tredorre6590 Good news! Misdreavus did get a paradox form in Gen IX in Flutter Mane, which is nice to see, but still little love compared to Gengar. I’m surprised Misdreavus isn’t more popular, I think her design is adorable yet quite goth. Murkrow and Misdreavus were a duo, getting evolutions at the same time so I was a little bummed Murkrow didn’t get a paradox form too. Banshee and Witch Crow need to be together.
Gastly is his ghost form, most gaseous state, then as Haunter he develops hands and finally as Gengar he has fully crossed from the spirit realm into the physical realm and formed an entire body. That's why I like it, I hear where you're coming from but my nostalgia is too powerful and refuses to accept what you're saying.😋
Greninja being ranked over Charizard was a bit shocking but i can see why mamy find it overrated. I personally expected to be a frog ninja because of the Naruto anime and Froakie being an agile pokemon.
@@emperorcubone Poor Misdreavus. The first pure ghost type, yet in her home region she got overshadowed by Gengar. The ghost leader didn’t use her (instead using nothing but constant Gengar family members) and she wasn’t obtainable until mt.silver, at the END OF THE POSTGAME. Thankfully, Hoenn gave some love to the new ghost types, and left Gengar on the sidelines.
I agree. I was thinking the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I still adore the heck out of Eevee and plan to use it on my team in Scarlet, but yeah I agree with you 100% about Eevee and share the same opinion about it as you do.
I think the Suicune case as a boxart legendary is because it's based on a kirin, the third more sacred animal no chinese mythology, while Ho-Oh and Lugia represent the phoenix and the dragon who're the more sacred ones (yes, Lugia is not a dragon type, but it wouldn't be the only time that happened)
I get why Pikachu is on this list but I also think it being the mascot has lead to it being overhated just as much as it's overrated. It's adorable and has a likeable personality. It's really the perfect mascot.
Say what you want about Charizard, but Charizard was a popular Pokemon long before it got overexposed hardcore after Gen VI. It worked hard to get it. And Venusaur and Blastoise do get attention, even if unfair in the case of the megas. Greninja was spoonfed it’s popularity and it feels artificial and forced. It was chosen to be in Smash before X and Y even came out, just because they wanted it to be popular. It was given all these trophies without working at all to get them. We’ve had frog Pokemon and even ninjas, yet how come nobody claims Seismetoad or Ninjask as their favourite Pokemon, and poor Chesnaught and Delphox get nothing, almost as if they were surplus to requirement as soon as they pushed on with the frog with the stupid tongue. Even if you like Greninja, at least admit it’s treatment is unfair. It’s like if Tornadus got an anime exclusive form and the other two genies got nothing. 1997- “We will give Ash Pikachu as that will make everyone feel their starter was equal” 2017- “What? You thought you were allowed to pick a Pokemon that wasn’t Greninja?”
Honestly I think Umbreon is overrated too. I know it looks really cool but its honestly one of the worst Eeveelution to use in battle. It’s very bulky but it hardly has any attacking power. Like the other Eeveelution at least can hit back hard and take hits but Umbreon can only take hits. Like the only way for Umbreon to actual damage is for it to Toxic stall them.
Well this video was before scarlet and violet So Ash greninja was reduced to a stat buff But it was forced as was zygarde in sun and moon , atleast zygarde had some effort to get by collecting cells Poor zygarde man But the cherry on top with greninja is protean greninja was favoured over battle bond greninja in competitive if I remember correctly
Lucario is without a doubt part of this list without being just a slight mention. It was the most popular Pokémon in Gen 4 and 5, and it's still one of the most popular to this day. Got it's own movie, it's in Pokken, Smash and everything you can think of. Heck they even give you a Mega Lucario for free in Gen 6 Edit : it's even mentioned in the first Pokémon Mystery Dungeon as a hero . Also the highest rank you can get is "Lucario Rank"
Thing is Greninja is a starter. As in part of a trio. Starters should always get equal treatment, to make everyone feel like they made the right choice.
I also think Lucario is much more deserving of a slot on this list. I like it, but I feel GameFreak really tried to make him a super cool, laid back character, and it just doesn't work for me IMO. I think it's fine, but gets overhyped by a lot of fans.
I feel like they weren't as blant as with those on this list Lucario is bad....but not top 5 bad, lucario was a face of mega evolution and a smash face but its NO where as bad as most on this list.
I agree with this list Especially charizard (and greninja. God i hate ash greninja). I heard, most tcg sets feature a charizard even. Gengar, you make a solid point. I love gengar to bits, but the adventures manga is the one that did gengar right as far as making it have more ghost-like abilities imo
Gengar isn't overrated. He is very simplistic. Like Kirby. Girls who never even played a Kirby game love Kirby. He is a simple design that works. Some of my friends got into collecting Pokemon cards recently. Guess who everyone wants Gengar. Gengar was my favorite as a little kid for awhile. I even used it in several art projects. Gengar is literally behind Pikachu for the mascot at this point. You can put it's face on anything. The simplicity is what takes it to the next level. Man do I hate it in Pokemon unite though. Way too op
I have been so sick of eevee and the eeveelution group recently, eevee gets as much attention as pikachu now and its kinda annoying such as getting its own game, a gigantamax form, an exclusive Z move, and so many anime appearances and an just over abundance of eeveelution merch too. I get that its popular but ugh... I really hate how if eevee has to get the spotlite then all of its evolutions have to aswell in any form of media which is just annoying
I find it funny how you considered Greninja the most overrated Pokémon because of how much special attention it got before it even had a chance to be popular but then say Lucario isn’t overrated when it literally got it’s own movie before gen 4, something arguably even bigger than anything Greninja got. On top of that, it was also the ace of a fairly important character in Korina in XY, got a mega which was one of the poster children of megas and was just handed to you for free, all of this happening 2 generations after it’s creation, at least Greninja stuck inside its own generation
Not only did Greninja appear on this list, he got Number 1 I don’t think Greninja is that bad, atleast I met some Greninja fans that were overall cool, Swampert is a more overrated starter and I say this as a Gen 3 fan
@@ValiTheSaltMan That’s not true. Swampert is nowhere near as overrated as Greninja is. The other Hoenn starters are way more popular then it. Blaziken was the first one to get a mega and was a monster in competitive thanks to Speed Boost and Scepitle had a big role in anime while Grovyle had a even bigger role in mystery dungeon. On top of that, they were both in Pokken while Swampert was no where in sight. Swampert is confirmed to be the least popular Hoenn starters so there’s no way that it’s more overrated than Greninja.
@@ValiTheSaltMan Swampert is in no way as overrated as Greninja, Sceptile, Blaziken and Charizard in popularity, but also not in anime presence(In no particular order). Like here is the thing: Blaziken was the only Hoenn Mega Starter in XY. It and Sceptile were the only Hoenn Mega's featured in the Kalos Anime (Honestly, they should have given Tierno Mega Swampert, since Siebold already rocked Mega Blastoise).
I never understood that battle bond thing. Like was greninja time only one that could do it? I wish the dratini line got more love. My favorite pokemon. 😍 those 3
The whole "Battle Bond" thing was probably the anime's desperate work-around for no Gen 6 mons being able to Mega Evolve(except Diance, which Ash was never going to get). I've said it once & I'll say it again: the Gen 6 starters not having Megas was an objectively dumb decision that clearly helped nobody.
I can’t bring myself to say garchomp is over rated, it’s brilliant. Pikachu however, over rated AF and charizard is too, but in a good way. Greninja id an absolute unit, really hoping it makes it into the gen 9 dex
I can agree with that: to say something is overrated, by definition, I feel should mean that it gets more praise than is truly warranted, and I don't think that Garchomp is deserving of such a title, and I feel like Emperor Cubone was just salty that it usurped Flygon by being the objectively stronger dragon/ground Pokemon. It wasn't until the top 3 of his list that I felt that his picks were valid, and I think that most people have to agree that they all are overrated in some way, shape or form, rather they personally like that fact or not
Gengar is very neutral to me. My only problem is that I feel like we need another Ghost/Poison Type. Reading the Dex Entries, Gengar feels more Ghost/Dark than anything. An alternative evo for Haunter would be nice, one that doesn't grow legs and still floats with detached arms.
If Greninja is on the list, then I think that Rowlett and, by extension, Decidueye are a great fit as well. Like Froakie, Rowlett was an immediate favorite amongst fans, and this only increased when its cool final stage was revealed, much like Greninja. However, unlike Greninja, Decidueye just came up short, as far as I know. In game, Greninja has great moves that it can utilize to great degree because of how it was programmed, but, maybe because Decidueye loses one typing for another but can’t reap the benefits from the moves it learned or learns as well, it falls behind in that regard. Rowlett clearly carries this line, and is one the likely reasons they never bothered to evolve Ash’s, because, after the release of the game, a good amount of excitement for Decidueye must’ve died down.
Also flygon is overrated imo, people tend to like it cuz it’s considered “unpopular” in comparison to garchomp, salamence, dragonite, etc. Furthemore, people still complain to this day about it not getting a mega despite the fact that megas haven’t been prevalent in years
Any Pokémon that gets to be considered a “wAiFu” by some weirdos is automatically overrated for me I can forgive Gardevoir tho since I’m biased for Gen 3
I KNEW IT! Although actually. Wouldn't that account for most of the mons as technically someone out there could consider them that except for very rare excuses and certain legends but even then no one is safe from the hammer.
@@ValiTheSaltMan That hammer goes to no one Gallade is 100% Male but they make art (Some which slaps) but that's only my views and opinions and experiences although I do agree 100% Males or legendaries are less common it doesn't make it impossible for people to see them that way especially in a generation like this where one wrong move or glitch or thing is going to get people talking.
@@ValiTheSaltMan That's what I've been saying. Honestly I had this game and I had this idea for RUclips the idea of Breaking "Internet Rules" Or finding the breaks and this one underrated game a flash game like thing had 2 characters pretty good images and I was like "Ah yes no one knows about this I'll be able to upload that video and show it has nothing on that rule." Then recently someone made something on the site and I... I was completely shock locked I couldn't move I couldn't even realize I was laying down forcing my eyes to look up as I couldn't believe what had gone on... I had convinced myself so much that No one would ever find this game that the idea of someone in the world existing also knowing the game but being such a better artist than me and uploading, commissioning, or creating such art broke me in a way that not much other things have. So now I just had to get past that and think what likely doesn't finding a way to get past such rules and regulations seemed like it was going to be harder than just searching up something in the past this didn't help with that part technically not being true to some as one of the mottos is to just make some if something worth it really doesn't have it and not everyone believes in such a rule anyways.
11:00 How the distortion world am I never surprised? (Seriously, your like the only known Pokétuber who is only known for slagging on Greninja on the highest degree)
I generally agree with this list, minus Garchomp. And as a charizard fan myself, I also feel that he gets a bit too much love sometimes (as much as I approve of his x mega evolution and his gigantimax form). I guess Gengar is sorta the same to charizard, but to a lesser extent. As for Pikachu.....yeah, overrated/oversaturated, especially for a mascot. I actually prefer Raichu over Pikachu, and really loved Surfer Raichu. As for Greninja....not really much to say about him personally, but I probably would have chosen him over the other two, with chespin being second, if I ever get a chance to play X or Y. I usually just choose the starter whose final evolution I am most aesthetically pleased with. RIP Spriggatito, my hopes for a non-humanoid final form were short lived. Guess I'll go Fuecoco. I think a mon you could have put on this list, and could have probably replaced Garchomp, would have been Zygarde (as much as I like him because of 100% form reminding me of Imperialdramon Fighter Mode). It is another ground/dragon type mon, and it has 3 signature moves. Another mon that could have been on this list more for over favoring than overrating is Rayquaza (I'm generally a dragon type fan, so sue me XD). It gets to Mega Evolve without needing an item an gets an ability after Mega Evolving that nullifies all of it's flying type weaknesses, banning it from the banned tier XD
Legit agree with all. I personally find Zygarde overrated with its 3 signature moves and plethora of forms. It's got too many gimmicks for just 1 Pokémon.
@@emperorcubone that's a fair point. I guess it would be better to say that they tried pushing it to be a favorite, like they did Greninja, but ended up failing in the process. No pokemon, not even a legendary, really needs to have 4 signature moves, unless it hase 4 separate evolution paths, if you ask me. I still love the thing, though.
...dragonite is overrated, and I don't understand flygon obsession.. Seems overrated too... Suicune just has a better overall design... . Entei is cool but Rai whatever face looks weird
"Do you just hate Mewtwo for some reason?" Yeah actually I do. Everyone speaks of it like it's some amazing powerful design and one of the best legendaries ever or something. First of all, the design is just kinda whatever imo. It's a humanoid cat thing with a big tail and random shapes all over its body. I feel people only like it because of the first pokemon movie and its status as the "final boss of Red/Blue." It's yet another obnoxiously undeserved Smash Bros fighter and doesn't deserve two mega evolutions and a special Shadow Mewtwo form in Pokken.
As a pikachu fan, your pikachu entry is 100% true. I made this account as a tween, and the pikachu overexposure made even me not like it as much. I actually like raichu more now and even that's not my favorite anymore. They just overexposed my favorite so much that I felt disgusted by the fact it was my favorite.
@@ValiTheSaltMan I never judge on tastes. I have a pretty weird taste in which Pokemon i like as well (One of my favorites is Primarina, while i also like Bruxish and Greedent a lot). But i guess this has also too do with me not being that shallow that i only look at designs, but also at usability (Greedent and Bruxish are actually really good Pokemon if you know how to use them).
from what I remember, they tried to make Entei the trio master, but Suicune was wayy more popular amongst the fans. I think that's why Suicune got his own game. similar story to what happened with pikachu.
Charizard is the equivalent of Pizza. Charizard is great and Pizza is great, but to Gamefreak its the equivalent of pizza for breakfast, lunch, dinner and dessert every day, and you won’t ever get sick of it. Also as a Delphox fan, you hit the nail on the head with Greninja. Honestly prefer Frogadier.
@@emperorcubone we had one for returning characters since gen 4: Anime: Aaron, Riley, Maylene Cameron (Ash League Dream Crusher), B2W2 promo Korrina and Gurkin Kukui, Sorrel Ash From Game perspective also Cynthia, Volo, Gladion (with Z-move), Marshall and Bruno in rematches.
I agree that Suicune didn't need its own game, but at least Entei got its own movie and some love in the TCG. If anything it feels like Pokemon elevated both Suicune AND Entei, then just forgot about Raikou haha
@@emperorcubone yeah I’m in the same boat - Raikou was definitely the one I was most excited to catch all the way back during my first play through of Silver when it first came out!
Decidueye for me it's overrated, not only it's spammed a lot in different spin off games but he also got a new form. He got a lot of love even if he is the weakest of the alola starter fight wise and design wise ruins the fantastic rowlet by make him a lot humanoid.
Yeahhh I've never got the Gengar love. I started with Gen 4 so I feel like I'm just missing a nostalgic link or something. There's just not much to him man, he's cool but not a Top 10 like he seems to be received
Pokemon fans be like "Charizard this Charizard that" Do i need to remind you about Meowth They made meowth talk in the anime and if thats not good enough evidence then I'll tell you more about the games Meowth has had 2 Regional forms with 1 new evolution and a gigantamax and was shown in the first scarlet and violet trailer So basically there are more pokemon that gamefreak likes to use Note: This is my opinion I'm not in the mood to argue with someone
Hmm, you know that's a good point; Meowth is the only other Pokemon that has been in the anime as long as Pikachu. Although they are supposed to have a rivalry, down to their numbers being inverted (25-52)
I don't agree with Garchomp here. Sure, it has lots of love, but I believe it totally deserves it. It is one of those Pokémon where the design perfectly encapsulates the inspirations and blends them together organically. Like, who would have thought that a land shark jet dragon could be pulled off this well?? It is true that it is very powerful, but that's bound to happen if you are a pseudo-legendary. Also, looking at the pseudos before and even after it, I think Garchomp stands out pretty well. And blame Salamence for the dragon type trend, it did it a generation before. Also, I think Flygon has the "so underrated it's now overrated" type of scenario. Nowadays lots of people overrate this Pokémon (I love it as well, but being honest Garchomp is superior in almost every way). Flygon is cool, but I wouldn't blame Garchomp for stealing the spotlight, as Flygon never had the spotlight in the first place until people realised what a great Pokémon it is. Long story short, Garchomp is very well regarded, but it deserves it. (Great video btw)
I had similar sentiments. While I sorta understand the reasoning, I didn't really consider Garchomp to be overrated. As for the "so underrated it's overrated" thing for Flygon, I think we can blame that on Salamence getting (a poorly designed, personally) mega evolution with Flygon being left with nothing. It was the perfect opportunity to give the "dragonfly dragon pokemon" a dragon/bug type form to play further into its gimmick. Then again, this could just be that "so underrated it's overrated" thinking itself XD EDIT: forgot to mention that I love the mega form given to Flygon in the fangame Pokemon: Insurgence. I feel it perfectly hits that blend of draconic and insectoid.
Man i was gonna type similar comment but you did it first.You are right.If i live in a Pokemon world the day i turn 10 I'm gonna find a gible and become the best of the best
Unpopular Opinion: Salamence is overrated and is my least favorite psuedo To me, Salamence feels like an inferior dragonite in every way. I know that a lot of people like salamence, but I am sorry. Dragonite deserved the mega more. (Yeah it would have been ubers but that would have been awesome.)
While I don't disagree that Dragonite probably needed the Mega more, I don't really care for Dragonite in the first place. As you saw it was on the thumbnail so I find it overrated; it's like Gengar, it's not "good," just the only Dragon at the time. So yes, Salamence is the same typing as Dragonite, but to me it did literally everything way better...
Honestly I think Lucario should be here instead of Pikachu, with Pikachu it makes sense that it's that popular and it really isn't excessive. Yeah it's not always organic when he fits in...but even for those times most of the time he fits in as someone who represents Pokémon as a whole. Pikachu having that many forms make sense as well with it being well...the series mascot, it should logically get special attention. Although yes FINALLY! Someone else sees just how overrated Greninja is. He is at least comparable to Charizard in that aspect if not even more overrated.
I’m glad someone else agrees with me in the Greninja department. Kalos was the second generation in which I chose a grass type. The first was Johto, by the way.
I've actually chosen Grass the majority of the time, Kalos included, but I like the overall type of Grass far less than the other two, so I guess they just design cool staters...
Justice for Flygon and I agree on Leon using a stupid Charizard as his ace, while the charizard has some good coverage moves that doesn't excuse it from taking a better rep's place instead
huh,i didn't know that greninja was so overused. i guess growing away from the franchise does that. i do admit it is my fave gen 6 starter,but i do have a weakness for the water starters.glad swampert isn't here
I'm also a fan of the water type starters in general, but I feel like Greninja was picked for a few reasons, with the biggest one that it was put on a pedestal more than any other starter in the series before or since, other than Charizard, that is, I'd be remiss to not mention that. But with Swampert, on the other hand, it's generally agreed that it deserves the praise it gets from people, and I can definitely see it as being the second most loved water starter after Greninja; I will, however, admit that u don't really like the design of it's mega evolution and that it somewhat randomly has swift swim as it's new ability
Overrated doesn't mean bad. That's tough for a lot of people to understand.
Thank you, I'm not saying any of these Pokemon "suck," just that they have severe overexposure...
Unfortunately, for most people, "overrated" means "wahhhh people like what I don't like"
I mean... Greninja and Charizard are bad in their respective generations though.
Still don’t care. Am still bashing my head on the wall of why charisard is so popular. Yes, it’s a dragon! That’s it!
Like it if you want, I just can’t see what’s so cool that it needs everything.
Spot on, but I think objectively 6-4 are not overrated, with 3-1 all having justifiable reasons but are all imposed so not the fans' fault.
Pikachu's problem, at least with me, is that Raichu is ignored so much. If Raichu (and Pichu to an extent) was used as part of the marketing I wouldn't care about the overexposure that much.
You know that if Raichu did not exist, there would be a Mega-Pikachu, but since it exists, they had to invent a whole new special battle form that doesn't matter if it's fully evolved just so Pikachu could finally get something like that.
Raichu is SERIOUSLY neglected. Both forms.
@@AlMoSiCe210 Worst part is that when people say they like raichu, 9 times out of 10 they’re talking about alolan raichu
@@shushumga7482 verily... Kantonian Raichu deserves more love
i honestly think getting even after a little involved in pokemon, you kind of forget about pikachu
I am sick of how over exposed Charizard is, though in the defense of Smash 4, Sakurai went out of his way to mention that the 3DS was having difficulty with Pokémon Trainer and that he wanted both versions to have the same roster. It’s the same reason why Ice Climbers weren’t in that game as well.
Plus charizard was probably the best choice, squirtle was the best in brawl but his nice set wasn’t exactly overflowing with originality and ivysaur was worse than canon if you wanted to solo main even without stamina
Plus the zard walk was a meme
Yeah, I know WHY Pokemon Trainer got scaled back, I'm just worried that since they did it once it'll be easier to do it again, even if the hardware can keep up now. But maybe the unique gimmick will at least save it...
@@jmurray1110 I'd have preferred bilbasaur and wartortle tbh
Honestly after smash 4 being the best charzard ever was
And playing PM. They should have just made all 3 different characters
Rock smash is 110% a better move then fail blitz
Solar beam is so sick
And Squirtle can just have another special move
@@emperorcubone It's sakurai, they won't Don't worry
The fact that Greninja overshadowed even Pikachu in the anime is… like yeah they were really pushing it
Yeah Greninja got special treatment whereas the other two got nothing, Meowth got alolan form, galarian form with a new evolution to it and in the same gen got a G Max for its Kanto counterpart yet no one complaints bout it instead the only thing that's visible to people is Charizard getting special treatment, Charizard without being the mascot is still a huge cash cow to the company so it rightfully deserves the special treatment it gets unlike Greninja and Meowth
Your criticisms with Greninja are valid, and I will admit Greninja getting it's own exclusive form while Chesnaught and Delphox didn't get anything is pretty unfair (I think they all should've gotten Mega Evolutions, had they not cancelled that enhanced Kalos game) and isn't my favorite Pokemon from Kalos, but I still think Greninja a really cool Pokemon, and I get why it's it's so popular.
tbh, Greninja's form was anime exclusive before SUMO games... so i don't blame that one of the games.
@@nickdentoom1173 and then they put it in the games
I agree ... Besides Greininja is my fav pokemon
Honestly, GameFreak *REALLY* screwed up by not giving the Kalos starters Megas(which is most likely why the anime writers had to make one up for Ash to use).
@@nickdentoom1173 I kind of do blame the games, because the reason why the anime had to create the Ash-Greninja form in the first place is because there were no Gen 6 Pokémon that could Mega-Evolve(besides Diance, but Ash was obviously never going to get that) & the anime writers at the time were still hard-locked into only allowing Ash to catch/have "Current-Gen" Pokémon(plus Pikachu).
There's also the, at the time, still-persisting delusion(among the execs, at least) that the anime would be over if Ash ever actually won a game-based Pokémon League, but that's another issue altogether.
Giving all three Kalos starters their own Mega forms would've easily & immediately solved *A LOT* of very solvable problems, in both the games & the anime; unfortunately, that didn't happen, so we're stuck dealing with the mess we currently have.
I think the reason Garchomp is so favored because of what it did to the game, it was honestly the start to the Dragon Domination that lasted till they made fairy to stop it. Also it’s a freaking land shark that’s cool af.
Takes me back to the days when "Street Sharks" was an actual cartoon that kids in the 90's watched.
Different times.
@@TheBlessedRed great times
I mean I really like sharks, and dragons so garchomp was made to be my weakness.
@@christianlangdon3766 you might say the design was super effective against you
I've always favored haunter over gengar especially design and representation...only reason i even used it was for pokedex reasons but i always went and caught two ghastly
Haunter looks cool, and IMO, is creepier. Gengar looks more like a mischievous ghost. Haunter looks like a vengeful spirit
@@harold5337 exactly, honestly it could've stayed a two stage with a few buffs to the base stats and i would've definitely been ok with that lol. Gengar is cool and all but the design lags a bit
Same. Haunter is cooler anyways
@@TortillaPizzeria definitely
Finally someone who has the same opinion as me, I always loved haunter and thought it looked way cooler than gengar
Lucario feels really overrated to me. I guess the anime tricked people into thinking it was a legendary, but that effect should have ended when the games came out. Its biggest gimmick is being a mixed attacker who can be taken out by any fighting or ground type move.
Yeah, I agree, I've never "gotten" the Lucario hype. It's not terrible, but it's just, like, a fox that punches people. I genuinely don't understand why it's so popular as compared to a bunch of other equally interesting and good pokemons
@@yannickgrignon2473
Furries. Lucario is just some terrible furbait.
@@semi-useful5178 It's not fur bait if it's not intentional.
@@PokemonZenith
Just look at it.
I'm still baffled Garchomp was picked over Lucario for this list
I don't know if I'd hold the Entei in the movie being an illusion against it since Entei still by far (and rightly so) got more attention in that movie than the Unown, which were relegated to basically just being a plot device to let the movie happen, while Entei was the one who got to be an actual character. It had the emotional moments where it was doing everything it could to make Molly happy, the epic battle against Charizard, and the heroic sacrifice at the end. Suicune, on the other hand, definitely played second fiddle to Celebi in Pokémon 4Ever. It was honestly just kinda there, helping out whenever it was needed and not getting much attention beyond that. I don't think that really makes up for Suicune getting to be a box art legendary (and being a fighter in Pokkén), but I'd definitely say Entei got the better deal of the movies.
*Raikou left the chat*
I never understood why Suicune is always the Beast to get any hype or special attention. As a kid I always saw Raikou as the leader/main one of the three. Its design strikes a great balance between the grace and fury Suicune and Entei respectfully represent. Entei is always seems more popular and liked within the fandom.
Another Raikou fan here. I never really saw any of them as leaders, but tbh, I didn't think of that as a kid, ahaha.
Thinking of it now, I feel like those three are just like the Regis; Three underlings of a much greater being (the beasts being under Ho-Oh since it's the one whose shrine they live under, although i thought Lugia would be it as well. I forgot though that Lugia didn't have a shrine in the OGs, but it's been ages since I last played either Johto game).
Side note: So glad some people are saying "Beasts" instead of "dogs", because Raikou and Entei are more feline based, or at least Raikou. I see a saber tooth tiger and a lion-ish creature with Suicune, of whom may be the only "canine" of the group. xD Who thought all three were actually dogs? Saber Tooth Tiger is unamused. :P
I have always preferred Entei
But entei is the leader of the three
I definitively feel like both Gengar & suicune was pushed by the Pokemon company themselves instead of the fans themselves. I especially hate how Suicune has basically made the other 2 beast non-important entities these days. When was the last time you saw Raikou or Entei ON THEIR OWN in an important role?
Yeah and when was the last time we've seen suicune be in the same roll as entei and raikou?
Like in some games entei and raikou are roaming legendaries and suicune got it's on special place to be catch like if they not even were raleted and the worst part is that entei in some media was supposed to be the leader of the trio and not this blur hot dog
@@richardbradford3265 yeah, but that was nearly 20 years ago, and suicune got its movie appearance not long afterward.
Right? I get why they'd prioritize Gengar maybe, since it was the only Ghost, but we had TONS of Water types by the end of Gen 2, so what made Suicune so special?
@@richardbradford3265 yes he had but a movie is different thing than a game or an appearance in spin-off
Charizard was pushed by game freak too
I think this is more along the lines of over-exposure or being disproportionately pushed by the Pokémon company than necessarily "overrated".
11:39 I don't really understand this argument. Greninja can learn all of Water Shuriken, Shadow Sneak, Hydro Pump, Substitute, and the description of Secret Ninja Attack clearly states that it's using Mat Block, which is one of its signature moves in the games.
I checked the internet and Greninja is capable of learning those moves. I guess it Emperor Cubones bias.
Charizard Y was an really good re-design. Prefer this over the standard one.
Yeah I agree, wish Y was it's actual last stage
Unfortunately Zard has caused a rift in some of my friendships, a lot of my friends think I hate it because I don't want to see it get into every gen let alone be a rep for the gimmick, but in truth he's grown on me. But that doesn't stop me from pointing out that not only did it get a g max form before the other Kanto starters but it got it before the freaking starters of Galar which like jfc that's bad. Not to mention it also got two Megas, as you pointed out, but the starters of Kalos didn't even get one, like WTF?
tbh, i feel the same. My favorite Pokemon is Glalie, but i get tired of seeing it in every gen since inclusion (Except for 5). Give other Pokemon some love, Gamefreak. One of the other Pokemon that falls into that category is Talonflame. Its in my top 10, but has been in every gen since inclusion.
Like, i get that Talonflame is popular and that Glalie is probably a favorite of someone in the staff of Gamefreak (Since its an odd choice for a Mega as well), but come one.
@@nickdentoom1173 it's very much the same with me and Eevee, it's my all time favourite Pokémon but Gamefreak just needs to chill out with putting it in every game, I still love it with my whole heart though
@@eeveewonder6277 Yeah... but Eevee is probably gonna be in every game going forward, considering its the secondary mascot at this point.
You said like that was new thing or exclusive Zard thing.
Blaziken gets his megas long before the others of hoen, he was the first gen 3 showed in anime.
Greninja has a exclusive and unique form.
@@eeveewonder6277 doubt eevee wont show up, it has to many pokemon tied to it. aslogn as we have eevees and water stones im happy) never can get tired of vaporeon
Probably this is why I feel that Gen 3 starters are the most balanced in terms of reception.
Sceptile was loved in the anime.
Blaziken was loved in the games.
Swampert was loved by the fanbase.
Great points on Greninja. Its interesting to think about the ways in which the company itself synthetically boosted it's popularity. I have got to say that Pikachu has never been a favourite of mine but I have to give it all the respect for carrying the burden of being the mascot of an insanely successful and longevous franchise. There is a reason its been so successful in that role and was, in hindsight, a masterstroke choice from the company from the beginning. I love suicune - one of my favourites ever. I wish the other two received more love though. Three of the best designs to date.
In my eyes, they're the perfect (non-plot focused) trio, in design and even lore. Just ambiguous and roaming anywhere, to be discovered and to be in awe
I don't think Garchomp deserves a spot on this list, being the strongest pokemon in the (arguably) hardest battle of the series does earn some deserved points in popularity.
Not quite his fault if the other pseudos couldn't live up to the bar he setted Back in 2006.
Also game freak did the same "mistake" with every single pseudo after him: so being constantly overshadowed by another pokemon introduced the very same generation, think about Goodra and Dragapult, instead of being the aces of the champion team they're in by using the new mechanics that spot woa given to another pre existing pokemon namely Gardevoir and Charizard, and none of them needed a boost in popularity, while brand new pokemon were left out of the table.
This is somewhat more excusable in gen 6 wjere they only gave megas to previous gen mons (besides diancie but that was a later release as mistery gift), the other way around in gen 8 this mistake is abysmal as they made the gmax available for galar Pokémon as well.....
So I think Garchomp is fine being popular, the other pseudos should have been treated better.
If I'm to pick a replacement I'd say Eevee or even Meowth; think about it's gmax: Pikachu and Eevee were the mascots of the very previous games so it would make sense, but Meowth being the only other unevolved mon to get a gmax is absurd..... Now, we know the gmax energy only crops up in galar, and Meowth has a regional variant there, so it'd be logical to have gmax galarian Meowth or gmax Perrserker.... But nop, we got the gmax regular Meowth, which is not even in the galar dex..... So this pokemon is basically overshadowing itself, plus the fact that it's the only one having all the possible regional forms so far (I'm really NOT looking forward to a paldean Meowth being revealed).
"being the strongest pokemon in the hardest battle of the series"
This, this is the reason why it's so overrated, can't even have an opinion where i just 1 shot it then this Cynthia fans will defend it like their life depends on it
@@jayq2571 It's not Cynthia as a character, it's the battle being objectively harder than many others.
It's not me, it's a well shared opinion.
Also, I'm just explaining my point, my life doesn't depend on that.
Being the "strongest" Pokemon Cynthia has is very different from being the hardest to fight; one Ice move and it's done... But I agree with the Meowth sentiment, it seems to be everywhere lately. Although we have seen regular Meowth in the Gen 9 trailers, so I think we're spared this time...
@@jodygrottino8257 But its not a battle ojectively harder than many others, since everyhing depends on team build-up. The only one of Cynthia's mons that gives me genuine trouble is Spritomb. However, if you rock out with Froslass, four out of six Pokemon already die against it Gastrodon/Togekiss, Garchomp, Roserade and Milotic if you run Freeze-Dry).
Like for me Diantha is the hardest, since i needed three re-tries against her team, since i didn't have an active counter against Aurorus and Mega Gardevoir (Ergo: Lacking a Steel and Fighting type).
@@nickdentoom1173 back then freeze-dry didn't exist that's only in BDSP.
Also all the Cynthia's Pokémons have perfect IV, if you don't pay attention to your team EVs having a Weavile with Ice shard won't save you couse it might resist, and if you don't run ice shard and only rely on weavile's speed (still without EVs) you might be outspeeded.
The fact that your team building needs to be pretty accurate it only means that the challenge you're preparing for it's hard.
Also if you want to say that everything is about team building then there's no difficult fighting in the series at all, it's obvious that if you build up a counter team you're gonna have easy time, that's true for Cynthia, that's true for Red and that's true for Leon and everyone else.
However many people don't really do team building at all, they just play with a team that they like and seems strong to them, there's no team in the world that perrfectly counter every challenge in the game, so when you play for example pokemon platinum you're likely to came to cyntha with your adventire party, and not with a team that perfectly couter her's, maybe if you're in a Nuzlocke you do that, but even there your team needs to take into account elite 4 as well.
This is probably why a lot of people tend to like all three Gen 3 starters equally and is probably the most balance in terms of favoritism and exposure. None of the starters feels like they have an uneven amount of popularity or focus among each other despite their competitive values. Sceptile, Blaziken, and Swamper are all fairly shined among each other and in their respective typings. Unfortunately, this and maybe Gen 4 is probably the last time it happened because it’s easy to tell who will become the teacher’s pet in every other set of starters after that. The moment Cinderace’s hidden ability (Basically another Greninja with even less merit…) and stats were revealed, I knew he would get all the attention compared to Rillaboom and Inteleon. And guess who’s one of the first Pokémon in Pokémon Unite?
Nowadays, it just seem like Gamefreak decides on which starter they want to pander or which starter is the loser. (Poor Meganium…..)
Who would you say is the teachers pet for gen 5 & 7?
@@domenicavallone28 It’s kinda difficult to determine for Gen 5 because the case is the exact opposite of Gen 3 where they are probably the least popular trio of starters. I would say Emboar at first as they are trying so hard to make it the third coming of Blaziken and Infernape in terms of the games with it being the only one with a secondary typing and the widest movepool or another Infernape and Charizard with the anime, being another Fire starter Pokémon abandoned by a neglectful trainer but it seems that Gamefreak realized that never fly considering Emboar is probably the least popular since people are sick of the overused trends it brought as well as its design.
For Gen 7, I would say Incineroar because of its Smash Bros debut but it’s relatively close with it and Decidueye. The latter did appear in Unite and Pokken after all. It was even considered for Smash but they went for Incineroar instead. All I know is that Primarina got benched in that generation in terms of focus.
Blaziken is much pushed up than the others gen 3 starters.
It gets a Mega years before the others.
Was the first introduced in anime beating Charizard.
Its May Ace, and has the most broken abilities of any other starter in Gen 3.
@@TheQuasarDragon1706 The other two still got Mega evolutions and unlike Charizard, none of them get two. May is the only notable trainer who owns a Blaziken. The other two on the other hand, is a different case.
Swampert and it’s evolution line is owned by 4 different trainers, one being Brock, another being Ash’s league rival, and one being a Battle Frontier. Heck, Brendan, the male protagonist from the games, used one in his cameo.
Meanwhile, Sceptile:
-Is owned by Ash who was the MVP of Katie’s battle aka one of the best match in the Hoenn league, fought freaking Deoxys, and KO’d Darkrai.
-Was used by Tyson, the person who beat Ash in the Hoenn league.
-Owned by Swayer, both who got a healthy amount of development in the XY series and gave an intense match against Ash and Greninja.
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Gengar being a Clefable mirror might have to do with its initial concept being a doppelGENGAR. Unfortunately that property by nature made it less ghostly and down the line, took Levitate away.
Huh, didn't know Suicune was that overrated. But I do agree that it overshadows the other two in the trio. Especially poor Raikou, I mean at least Entei got a movie and it ain't even the best fire dog in Pokémon despite it being "legendary".
But yeah Greninja definitely the most overrated Pokémon. Personally, I took an immediate dislike to it the moment I saw it though I do like it's previous form just fine.
Honestly my main surprise is that Suicune is on this list instead of Mewtwo. I always remembered hearing that when it came to overrated Pokemon, Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo were the "holy trio" as it were. I was going to say at Zard should have been number one, but you did bring up some good points for Greninja that I can agree with, despite the ninja frog being my favorite of the Kalos starters. (Not favorite Pokemon though, that goes to Grovyle and Sceptile). My favorite Kalos starter use to be Chesnaught, but my eyes were opened up once I realized that I loved all three forms of Froakie, while when it came to our knightly friend, I love Chespin and Chesnaught, but I don't really like Quilladin.
I don't disagree that Mewtwo could be overrated too, but at least it was a standalone Pokemon, not overshadowing two others like Suicune...
Mewtwo is just the G.
Everyone knows and likes him and he gets love for being the strongest but for the most part he takes a back seat
It's kinda like Reptile boys vs horse girls both are crazy but horse girl are on like level 500 crazy
Man. Since I was 8 years old I freaking loved charizard and I've never let that go. But even I played sw/sh and just went jeez guys give him a break dang.
The x/y dual megas were fun and felt like GF couldn't make up their mind on multiple ideas, but by the time you get to Gen 8 it just felt like they were forcing a meh idea in its gigantimax form
I love Heatmor, his design is cool, he's an anteater with a fire lash tongue and it's rival is a steel ant that has a 2x weakness to it because it's a prey
Gengar and Greninja were two Pokemon that I enjoyed that were ruined for me by fans. Gengar was one of my favourite gen 1 Pokemon until I started watching The King Nappy back in the day. Even before all the stuff about his private life came out, his obsession and borderline aggression around Gengar made me kind of sick of seeing it and I stopped really wanting to use it until recently. Greninja meanwhile has been ruined for me by the militant XY anime fans who seem to think it is the only Pokemon that matters. Every discussion and rumour about Journeys seems to start with 'Greninja comes back and...', normally ending with it evolving into Jesus and 6-0ing every trainer in the world. Greninja wasn't my favourite Kalos starter (I think I'm in the minority that loves the Chespin line), but it is now one of my least favourites because of its fans.
I love Chespin too, that just means we can easily beat the vast armies of Greninja fans! Yeah, I mean I love Cubone, but I don't feel like I'm in your face about it, you know? Just let people like the Pokemon they like...
Woooooooooooo chespin lovers unite! All three of us!!!
I'm also rather sick of how much people put gen6 on a pedestal, particularly with Greninja and Serena. The former I feel is a big reason why so many people got SOOOOOOO triggered by seeing Alain lose so badly to Leon, not just because it makes Leon look better by proxy, but also because it robbed Ash the chance to have his rematch against Alain and get the win with Greninja he "deserved" during Kalos, although I don't see too many people admitting this is part of why they hate that battle so much. As for Serena, you ALWAYS hear amourshippers talk about how they want to see Ash and Serena get together again, I even remember that there were some people who seemed disappointed that she didn't appear in the first episode of Journeys, even though it was more about introducing the audience to Goh and giving Ash's Pikachu a backstory before meeting Ash
@@matthewkuscienko4616 true xy fans obsession with greyninja and Serena annoys me
Greyninja is overrated because the fans are obsessed with it
I really do wish we could get more cool pseudolegends in the future that aren't all dragon type. Like sure, I do like Dragapult, Kommo-o, Garchomp, etc. I think they're cool designs. I just wish we also got more equally cool designs of things that don't have to be dragon. I'd say Metagross is my favorite pseudo based on appearance, it's really cool without being a dragon. I think there's plenty of room to work with in the realm of "what is cool" outside of assuming that being a dragon is a prerequisite to being cool.
I've been saying this for years I think it would be cool if we had a Fairy/Flying Griffin or an Ice/Fairy Yeti as psuedo legendaries, but no we can't get variety, they just keep giving us dragons.
Honestly Baxcalibur being so dissapointing as a design (and generally unliked) in gen 9, I hope can finally kill the dragon pseudo trend.
It's really obvious they were picking straws with it, and much as I love dragons, always being a pseudo really devalues them. Goodra being a pure dragon type is where I thought it started being ridiculously typecast.
Yeah but I have heard some people complain about Kommo-o’s design. Like I get that it might be a little ugly, but it’s the first one to be a Dragon/Fighting type.
I agree with all of your points! Each of the mons definitely gets more spotlight than others. I hate to say I get sick of seeing Charizard so much that it kinda grosses me out when I see him ( he's a cool job but feels so over saturated). Give love to other mons. Heck so many pokemon need some other mon need love. When have you seen tropius since gen 5? You always see them put the same mons over and over again. Garchomp used to be my favorite dragon type but honestly I love flygon and kommo-o much more. I honestly think you should touch more onto this topic. It will be interesting to see what mons you bring up. I love your videos and always look forward to them.
I love Tropius! It could've used a Mega, or Z-Move, or G-Max form much more than anyone else!
@@emperorcubone I definitely agree though I think a regional form would do it well. Similar to our friendly egg pokemon that became a dragon type. Idk I feel like hoenn pokemon tend to not show up as often plus gen 5 ones. There were some good ones in there.
Lucario should be here imo, should've replaced suicune instead.
I always thought that most of the legendaries tend to get over hyped. By the time you catch them, they usually just go into the box anyways.
I find myself doing this a lot because I don’t want spoilers then i realize that it’s type overlaps with like my starter
Agreed. By the time you catch them you already have a pretty well established team. That’s why I like how Scarlet and Violet seem to be doing it where you get them early on
You cant use them for battle frontier so yeah they dont get much use i just like catching them without a master ball
I know you said most, but what about the Swords of Justice?
@@gregorywood7554 honestly I never got far enough in black and white to catch them.
Oh jeez, this is a dangerous topic. No matter what is said or what justification is used, there's bound to be a good chunk of people that will get legitimately angry when a Pokemon they think is rightfully popular gets called overrated.
Yeah, but it was the best idea I had this week. Haha!
Me with Swampert. I say this as a Gen 3 enjoyer, Swampert is the weakest water starter after Inteleon
@@ValiTheSaltManMe: GET OUT.... GET OUT.... HOW DARE YOU?
End of Tantrum.
Just kidding.
@@nickdentoom1173 what
Pikachu's biggest crime was stealing Squirtle's shine in Pokemon Go. There was Christmas hat and Birthday hat Pikachus in the game so far and everyone was asking for Squirtle Squad sunglasses. They announced that they were doing exactly that and a week before they gave sunglasses to Pikachu, for absolutely no reason.
typlosion is pushed so hard for such a boring pokemon. the way people got mad that it's flames aren't always on in it's 3d model...THATS HOW IT LOOKS! Feraligatr was given a great hidden ability that should have pushed up higher on people's favorite starters list yet it is still ignored because of how obsessed with nostalgia people are for typlosion. it's too much, he gets the hisuian form even tho meganium is the one who needs a boost like wtf
Yeah, Meganium needed much more help than Typhlosion. But I agree, Quilava is a great middle stage that becomes far more dull upon evolution...
Suicune is a mix of aesthetic and lore as a beautiful and mystical entity that can purify damage to important aspects of the environment and showing most anywhere only to disappear as quick in to fading mists. Compared to its more "masculine" appearance and more destructive/abrupt powers of entei and raikou (volcanic eruption and lightning storms. though soil of dormant volcanoes is quite fertile and lightning strikes can actually recharge soil to support new plant growth), Suicune's more "feminine/androgynous" design mixed with its more prominent healing curative nature is gonna be more stand out as something people want to actually meet.
Personally, I share your sentiment in that they need to prop up the other two more.
I love all three, Raikou especially but Suicune has such an elegant and majestic look, along with what you've said, it makes sense why it's used more
You mean entei looks majestic, it’s a freaking lion :/
Pikachu and Charizard aren’t overrated, “overused” is a better word for them
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Charizard n pikachu is not bad it just the overused
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pikachu isn't OU
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@@frankunodostres473 He would prob if he had Raichu stats, the moves that Pikachu had in LGPE, and Light Ball all 3 at the same time
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Yeah, that's the same thing... Even if it's just a small sect of people who happen to be in charge of Pokemon, they are still overrated somewhere...
From what I've been told, to which feels legit to me, the reason Ash owns Gengar in Journeys because it's among the Pokémon he could've own given the writing direction. Especially during Indigo League, Ash had a Haunter for Sabrina's rematch. But Sabrina only _lost_ because Haunter managed to make her laugh, heck even gets to keep Haunter after the battle.
I love Gengar. I have loved him since gen 1. The entire line are just great. The anime cemented it. Best evolution line ever.
give him back levitate!!!
I agree. Gengar is cute
It should be the new mascot
Suicune is such a weird case of Early Installment Weirdness. Johto introduced two big Legendaries (Lugia and Ho-Oh) rather than three, three "lesser" ones (the legendary beasts), and a Mythical (Celebi), and they didn't want to use the Mythical for the third version, so I guess they rolled the dice for who's going to be the third version mascot.
That's my theory, there must be a good behind-the-scenes reason why Suicune is picked.
11:41 Actually, Greninja's four Special moves form a legal moveset (Water Shuriken/Shadow Sneak/Hydro Pump/Substitute), albeit with artistic license in how they function, e.g., Substitute being a counter-attack. But by Pokémon-in-Smash-standards, it isn't that bizarre.
12:33 In hindsight, I'm almost surprised Greninja can't learn any move from the new Fairy Type. I really want to know what's going on behind the scenes.
11:50 very disrespectful to how Sakurai picked Greninja.
Just my opinion: should be renamed to overused/overrepresented, most of these are not overrated at all, they are actually powerful and prove themselves easily.
Overrated meaning something being better than it really is, which I agree pikachu surely is, all others are very powerful. Maybe charizard not so much, except the megas.
Lucario is so overrated. I hate it. Its not deserved. Its an ugly blue dog with spikes on it. How come people get mad about meowscarada and incineroar were criticized for being bipedal but its okay for lucario to be standing up? Lucario meat riding is insane.
Greninja having an OP ability isn't enough to move me from favoring Delphox.
I can sorta excuse Suicune being the third box legendary because it was early days of Pokémon. Gen 1 had all the starters as their box mascot and Gen 2 began the box legendary tradition we see to this day. They probably realized later on that Ho-Oh and Lugia where only a duo and didn’t know what to do for the 3rd version of the game so they just slapped Suicune on the cover and had every future box legendary be a trio (Weather Trio, Creation Trio, etc.) though because of that they felt the obligation to push it more than the other legendary beast.
They should've made Mewtwo the third boxart legendary. They aren't connected thematically but they share stats. They make a pretty good trio, in my opinion.
@@ldmtag or Celebi.
Honestly, I'd say this is one of the most accurate list i've seen on the topic. Sick of seeing Greninja everywhere
Great video, feel like I come back and watch this like once a month
Thank you for putting Gengar in there, Haunter has always been one of my favourite pokemon but it always gets soooo overshadowed by its evolution
And poor Misdreavus. In her home region she wasn’t even used by the ghost leader (when Gengar and it were the only ghost types) and she was lucky Sinnoh gave her an evolution. And even then had to live in poor Gengars shadow with it being in the dex too, and being exclusive only to Pearl.
@@harold5337 yeah Misdreavus is so cool and I love Mismagius! And if I'm not mistaken they haven't given it any attention since Sinnoh right? It's a shame...
@@tredorre6590 Good news! Misdreavus did get a paradox form in Gen IX in Flutter Mane, which is nice to see, but still little love compared to Gengar. I’m surprised Misdreavus isn’t more popular, I think her design is adorable yet quite goth. Murkrow and Misdreavus were a duo, getting evolutions at the same time so I was a little bummed Murkrow didn’t get a paradox form too. Banshee and Witch Crow need to be together.
Gastly is his ghost form, most gaseous state, then as Haunter he develops hands and finally as Gengar he has fully crossed from the spirit realm into the physical realm and formed an entire body. That's why I like it, I hear where you're coming from but my nostalgia is too powerful and refuses to accept what you're saying.😋
Gengar is one of my favourite Pokemon but I'm so happy to hear someone talk about how much cooler Gastly and Haunter are
Greninja being ranked over Charizard was a bit shocking but i can see why mamy find it overrated. I personally expected to be a frog ninja because of the Naruto anime and Froakie being an agile pokemon.
I feel like the reason gengar gets so much attention, is because it’s the first fully evolved ghost type and the only fully evolved one in kanto.
Sure, and that would make since in Let's Go when there were no other Pokemon, but in Galar? Why didn't Runerigus get a G-Max form?
@@emperorcubone yeah I would loved a gmax runerigus
@@emperorcubone Poor Misdreavus. The first pure ghost type, yet in her home region she got overshadowed by Gengar. The ghost leader didn’t use her (instead using nothing but constant Gengar family members) and she wasn’t obtainable until mt.silver, at the END OF THE POSTGAME.
Thankfully, Hoenn gave some love to the new ghost types, and left Gengar on the sidelines.
I think you should've added Eevee to this list (due to the heavy amount of exposure it gets in the games, Tcg's, and ESPECIALLY the Anime).
I agree. I was thinking the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I still adore the heck out of Eevee and plan to use it on my team in Scarlet, but yeah I agree with you 100% about Eevee and share the same opinion about it as you do.
THANK YOU - I have NEVER understood the hype for Greninja. It's *fine*.
Same!
I think the Suicune case as a boxart legendary is because it's based on a kirin, the third more sacred animal no chinese mythology, while Ho-Oh and Lugia represent the phoenix and the dragon who're the more sacred ones (yes, Lugia is not a dragon type, but it wouldn't be the only time that happened)
I get why Pikachu is on this list but I also think it being the mascot has lead to it being overhated just as much as it's overrated. It's adorable and has a likeable personality. It's really the perfect mascot.
I agree with this list. Especially Greninja
Glad I'm not alone!
Greninja is overrated af yeah, I never got the hype
yeah i never understood the greninja stuff, and espaiccly ash greninja, that was a line crossed. it evne makes no sense at all.
Say what you want about Charizard, but Charizard was a popular Pokemon long before it got overexposed hardcore after Gen VI. It worked hard to get it. And Venusaur and Blastoise do get attention, even if unfair in the case of the megas.
Greninja was spoonfed it’s popularity and it feels artificial and forced. It was chosen to be in Smash before X and Y even came out, just because they wanted it to be popular. It was given all these trophies without working at all to get them. We’ve had frog Pokemon and even ninjas, yet how come nobody claims Seismetoad or Ninjask as their favourite Pokemon, and poor Chesnaught and Delphox get nothing, almost as if they were surplus to requirement as soon as they pushed on with the frog with the stupid tongue. Even if you like Greninja, at least admit it’s treatment is unfair. It’s like if Tornadus got an anime exclusive form and the other two genies got nothing.
1997- “We will give Ash Pikachu as that will make everyone feel their starter was equal”
2017- “What? You thought you were allowed to pick a Pokemon that wasn’t Greninja?”
@@harold5337 literally charizard has a reason to be loved it’s the og starter and has a menacing design it’s overated for a reason
Honestly I think Umbreon is overrated too. I know it looks really cool but its honestly one of the worst Eeveelution to use in battle. It’s very bulky but it hardly has any attacking power. Like the other Eeveelution at least can hit back hard and take hits but Umbreon can only take hits. Like the only way for Umbreon to actual damage is for it to Toxic stall them.
Agreed.
Not only that, it seems Umbreon is also favored in the anime over the others.
Yeah, Toxic stalling is an infuriating tactic, but I've used Umbreon in playthroughs before and it holds up, even in Legends Arceus it helped out...
I’ve always preferred Espeon, she’s beautiful and majestic. Umbreon is cool tho.
Well this video was before scarlet and violet
So Ash greninja was reduced to a stat buff
But it was forced as was zygarde in sun and moon , atleast zygarde had some effort to get by collecting cells
Poor zygarde man
But the cherry on top with greninja is protean greninja was favoured over battle bond greninja in competitive if I remember correctly
Lucario is without a doubt part of this list without being just a slight mention. It was the most popular Pokémon in Gen 4 and 5, and it's still one of the most popular to this day. Got it's own movie, it's in Pokken, Smash and everything you can think of. Heck they even give you a Mega Lucario for free in Gen 6
Edit : it's even mentioned in the first Pokémon Mystery Dungeon as a hero . Also the highest rank you can get is "Lucario Rank"
I feel like Lucario is similar to Greninja in that it was inorganically pushed to be the face of a generation. I was surprised it was not on the list.
Thing is Greninja is a starter. As in part of a trio. Starters should always get equal treatment, to make everyone feel like they made the right choice.
I also think Lucario is much more deserving of a slot on this list. I like it, but I feel GameFreak really tried to make him a super cool, laid back character, and it just doesn't work for me IMO. I think it's fine, but gets overhyped by a lot of fans.
Umbreon falls into that boat as well. This list could easily have been a top 20 list.
I feel like they weren't as blant as with those on this list Lucario is bad....but not top 5 bad, lucario was a face of mega evolution and a smash face but its NO where as bad as most on this list.
@@SuperGamefreak18 yeah
I agree with this list
Especially charizard (and greninja. God i hate ash greninja). I heard, most tcg sets feature a charizard even.
Gengar, you make a solid point. I love gengar to bits, but the adventures manga is the one that did gengar right as far as making it have more ghost-like abilities imo
I LOVE Raikou. He deserves so much more.
Gengar isn't overrated. He is very simplistic. Like Kirby. Girls who never even played a Kirby game love Kirby.
He is a simple design that works. Some of my friends got into collecting Pokemon cards recently. Guess who everyone wants Gengar. Gengar was my favorite as a little kid for awhile.
I even used it in several art projects.
Gengar is literally behind Pikachu for the mascot at this point. You can put it's face on anything. The simplicity is what takes it to the next level.
Man do I hate it in Pokemon unite though. Way too op
I have been so sick of eevee and the eeveelution group recently, eevee gets as much attention as pikachu now and its kinda annoying such as getting its own game, a gigantamax form, an exclusive Z move, and so many anime appearances and an just over abundance of eeveelution merch too.
I get that its popular but ugh... I really hate how if eevee has to get the spotlite then all of its evolutions have to aswell in any form of media which is just annoying
I find it funny how you considered Greninja the most overrated Pokémon because of how much special attention it got before it even had a chance to be popular but then say Lucario isn’t overrated when it literally got it’s own movie before gen 4, something arguably even bigger than anything Greninja got. On top of that, it was also the ace of a fairly important character in Korina in XY, got a mega which was one of the poster children of megas and was just handed to you for free, all of this happening 2 generations after it’s creation, at least Greninja stuck inside its own generation
If I don't see Greninja on this list it's about to get WICKED in here and that certainly would be a tough BLOW!
Not only did Greninja appear on this list, he got Number 1
I don’t think Greninja is that bad, atleast I met some Greninja fans that were overall cool, Swampert is a more overrated starter and I say this as a Gen 3 fan
@@ValiTheSaltMan nah its just those mudkip meme fans otherwise swampert is not that overrated
@@ValiTheSaltMan That’s not true. Swampert is nowhere near as overrated as Greninja is. The other Hoenn starters are way more popular then it. Blaziken was the first one to get a mega and was a monster in competitive thanks to Speed Boost and Scepitle had a big role in anime while Grovyle had a even bigger role in mystery dungeon. On top of that, they were both in Pokken while Swampert was no where in sight. Swampert is confirmed to be the least popular Hoenn starters so there’s no way that it’s more overrated than Greninja.
@@ValiTheSaltMan Swampert is in no way as overrated as Greninja, Sceptile, Blaziken and Charizard in popularity, but also not in anime presence(In no particular order).
Like here is the thing: Blaziken was the only Hoenn Mega Starter in XY. It and Sceptile were the only Hoenn Mega's featured in the Kalos Anime (Honestly, they should have given Tierno Mega Swampert, since Siebold already rocked Mega Blastoise).
@@nickdentoom1173 Swampert is in Gen 8, not Greninja.
I never understood that battle bond thing. Like was greninja time only one that could do it?
I wish the dratini line got more love. My favorite pokemon. 😍 those 3
The whole "Battle Bond" thing was probably the anime's desperate work-around for no Gen 6 mons being able to Mega Evolve(except Diance, which Ash was never going to get).
I've said it once & I'll say it again: the Gen 6 starters not having Megas was an objectively dumb decision that clearly helped nobody.
@@1992holycrap yeah seems like it
I can’t bring myself to say garchomp is over rated, it’s brilliant. Pikachu however, over rated AF and charizard is too, but in a good way. Greninja id an absolute unit, really hoping it makes it into the gen 9 dex
I can agree with that: to say something is overrated, by definition, I feel should mean that it gets more praise than is truly warranted, and I don't think that Garchomp is deserving of such a title, and I feel like Emperor Cubone was just salty that it usurped Flygon by being the objectively stronger dragon/ground Pokemon. It wasn't until the top 3 of his list that I felt that his picks were valid, and I think that most people have to agree that they all are overrated in some way, shape or form, rather they personally like that fact or not
Gengar is very neutral to me. My only problem is that I feel like we need another Ghost/Poison Type. Reading the Dex Entries, Gengar feels more Ghost/Dark than anything.
An alternative evo for Haunter would be nice, one that doesn't grow legs and still floats with detached arms.
And it should not be a trade evolution.
If Greninja is on the list, then I think that Rowlett and, by extension, Decidueye are a great fit as well. Like Froakie, Rowlett was an immediate favorite amongst fans, and this only increased when its cool final stage was revealed, much like Greninja. However, unlike Greninja, Decidueye just came up short, as far as I know. In game, Greninja has great moves that it can utilize to great degree because of how it was programmed, but, maybe because Decidueye loses one typing for another but can’t reap the benefits from the moves it learned or learns as well, it falls behind in that regard. Rowlett clearly carries this line, and is one the likely reasons they never bothered to evolve Ash’s, because, after the release of the game, a good amount of excitement for Decidueye must’ve died down.
Also flygon is overrated imo, people tend to like it cuz it’s considered “unpopular” in comparison to garchomp, salamence, dragonite, etc. Furthemore, people still complain to this day about it not getting a mega despite the fact that megas haven’t been prevalent in years
Any Pokémon that gets to be considered a “wAiFu” by some weirdos is automatically overrated for me
I can forgive Gardevoir tho since I’m biased for Gen 3
I KNEW IT!
Although actually.
Wouldn't that account for most of the mons as technically someone out there could consider them that except for very rare excuses and certain legends but even then no one is safe from the hammer.
@@ZelZ-.-z some Pokémon like Volbeat are 100% male, so they can flee from that thanks to that
@@ValiTheSaltMan That hammer goes to no one Gallade is 100% Male but they make art (Some which slaps) but that's only my views and opinions and experiences although I do agree 100% Males or legendaries are less common it doesn't make it impossible for people to see them that way especially in a generation like this where one wrong move or glitch or thing is going to get people talking.
@@ZelZ-.-z oh god no one is safe… :
@@ValiTheSaltMan That's what I've been saying.
Honestly I had this game and I had this idea for RUclips the idea of Breaking "Internet Rules" Or finding the breaks and this one underrated game a flash game like thing had 2 characters pretty good images and I was like "Ah yes no one knows about this I'll be able to upload that video and show it has nothing on that rule."
Then recently someone made something on the site and I...
I was completely shock locked I couldn't move I couldn't even realize I was laying down forcing my eyes to look up as I couldn't believe what had gone on... I had convinced myself so much that No one would ever find this game that the idea of someone in the world existing also knowing the game but being such a better artist than me and uploading, commissioning, or creating such art broke me in a way that not much other things have.
So now I just had to get past that and think what likely doesn't finding a way to get past such rules and regulations seemed like it was going to be harder than just searching up something in the past this didn't help with that part technically not being true to some as one of the mottos is to just make some if something worth it really doesn't have it and not everyone believes in such a rule anyways.
11:00 How the distortion world am I never surprised? (Seriously, your like the only known Pokétuber who is only known for slagging on Greninja on the highest degree)
I generally agree with this list, minus Garchomp. And as a charizard fan myself, I also feel that he gets a bit too much love sometimes (as much as I approve of his x mega evolution and his gigantimax form). I guess Gengar is sorta the same to charizard, but to a lesser extent. As for Pikachu.....yeah, overrated/oversaturated, especially for a mascot. I actually prefer Raichu over Pikachu, and really loved Surfer Raichu. As for Greninja....not really much to say about him personally, but I probably would have chosen him over the other two, with chespin being second, if I ever get a chance to play X or Y. I usually just choose the starter whose final evolution I am most aesthetically pleased with. RIP Spriggatito, my hopes for a non-humanoid final form were short lived. Guess I'll go Fuecoco.
I think a mon you could have put on this list, and could have probably replaced Garchomp, would have been Zygarde (as much as I like him because of 100% form reminding me of Imperialdramon Fighter Mode). It is another ground/dragon type mon, and it has 3 signature moves. Another mon that could have been on this list more for over favoring than overrating is Rayquaza (I'm generally a dragon type fan, so sue me XD). It gets to Mega Evolve without needing an item an gets an ability after Mega Evolving that nullifies all of it's flying type weaknesses, banning it from the banned tier XD
Legit agree with all. I personally find Zygarde overrated with its 3 signature moves and plethora of forms. It's got too many gimmicks for just 1 Pokémon.
Zygarde actually had 4 signature moves, but I feel like after Gen 7 it just disappeared. Did it have any spotlight since?
@@emperorcubone that's a fair point. I guess it would be better to say that they tried pushing it to be a favorite, like they did Greninja, but ended up failing in the process. No pokemon, not even a legendary, really needs to have 4 signature moves, unless it hase 4 separate evolution paths, if you ask me. I still love the thing, though.
Surprised that Eevee didn't make the list lol
Well, you gotta admit Eevee has one of the coolest tricks in the whole game, getting to turn into so many different Pokemon...
Vaporeon is an overrated eeveelution and so is prob Umbreon but Eevee and the rest are fine
...dragonite is overrated, and I don't understand flygon obsession..
Seems overrated too...
Suicune just has a better overall design...
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Entei is cool but Rai whatever face looks weird
"Do you just hate Mewtwo for some reason?" Yeah actually I do. Everyone speaks of it like it's some amazing powerful design and one of the best legendaries ever or something. First of all, the design is just kinda whatever imo. It's a humanoid cat thing with a big tail and random shapes all over its body. I feel people only like it because of the first pokemon movie and its status as the "final boss of Red/Blue." It's yet another obnoxiously undeserved Smash Bros fighter and doesn't deserve two mega evolutions and a special Shadow Mewtwo form in Pokken.
As a pikachu fan, your pikachu entry is 100% true. I made this account as a tween, and the pikachu overexposure made even me not like it as much. I actually like raichu more now and even that's not my favorite anymore. They just overexposed my favorite so much that I felt disgusted by the fact it was my favorite.
Wow, how unexpected of you to put Cubone at #1 of this list!
Haha, I almost wish it was overrated, it needs more love!
@@emperorcubone
Who'd've guessed?
I have mixed feelings on GENGAR, on one hand I think he’s cool, on the other hand I think there are better ghost types
HATTERENE?
WHY?
That's actually shocking.
Also why do all of your picks bar Gyrados feel like they can almost have a theme?
@@ZelZ-.-z I was gonna place Swampert on gyarados’s placement but changed idea since I already had Milotic for Gen 3
@@ValiTheSaltMan Ah I see you didn't want to over saturate Gens understandable.
Yeah
Image the design potential of a Gmax chabdelure
It could probably be be a good replacement for feucoco’s terasteralisation
@@ValiTheSaltMan I never judge on tastes. I have a pretty weird taste in which Pokemon i like as well (One of my favorites is Primarina, while i also like Bruxish and Greedent a lot). But i guess this has also too do with me not being that shallow that i only look at designs, but also at usability (Greedent and Bruxish are actually really good Pokemon if you know how to use them).
from what I remember, they tried to make Entei the trio master, but Suicune was wayy more popular amongst the fans. I think that's why Suicune got his own game. similar story to what happened with pikachu.
Charizard is the equivalent of Pizza. Charizard is great and Pizza is great, but to Gamefreak its the equivalent of pizza for breakfast, lunch, dinner and dessert every day, and you won’t ever get sick of it.
Also as a Delphox fan, you hit the nail on the head with Greninja. Honestly prefer Frogadier.
Hmm, that's actually a pretty perfect way to describe Charizard. Well done!
I mean, Venusaur and Blastoise were *technically* in Sword and Shield's coding since day one.
C'mon no Lucario? It's more shilled than Garchomp and Suicune. Also Mewtwo would make an argument
Mewtwo was liked because he had the best stats in Gen 1
I don't disagree, but I don't think Lucario's pressure has quite as constant, it seems to come and go...
@@emperorcubone we had one for returning characters since gen 4:
Anime:
Aaron, Riley, Maylene
Cameron (Ash League Dream Crusher), B2W2 promo
Korrina and Gurkin
Kukui, Sorrel
Ash
From Game perspective also Cynthia, Volo, Gladion (with Z-move), Marshall and Bruno in rematches.
I’d argue Lucario deserves its fans
Emperor Cubone: can you see Greninja has been propped up to date?
Me: No because Charizard is more overrated.
I agree that Suicune didn't need its own game, but at least Entei got its own movie and some love in the TCG. If anything it feels like Pokemon elevated both Suicune AND Entei, then just forgot about Raikou haha
Raikou is my favorite of the three, so I feel this very much...
@@emperorcubone yeah I’m in the same boat - Raikou was definitely the one I was most excited to catch all the way back during my first play through of Silver when it first came out!
"Someone's favorite out there is Heatmor."
Literally one of my good friends favorite Pokemon 😂
Solid pokemon. Fire Anteater with a gnarly Signature move.
Decidueye for me it's overrated, not only it's spammed a lot in different spin off games but he also got a new form. He got a lot of love even if he is the weakest of the alola starter fight wise and design wise ruins the fantastic rowlet by make him a lot humanoid.
An ad cut off you saying pikachu as number 3, i find it funny because it’s as if even youtube is about to disagree with you, great video man
Haha, they're trying to prop it up even more!!
Personally I like Flygon more than Garchomp too. Just my personal preference, Garchomp is cool, but I just like Flygon more.
I’m you but in the exact opposite way and I also think flygon deserved a mega
Yeahhh I've never got the Gengar love. I started with Gen 4 so I feel like I'm just missing a nostalgic link or something. There's just not much to him man, he's cool but not a Top 10 like he seems to be received
Pokemon fans be like "Charizard this Charizard that"
Do i need to remind you about
Meowth
They made meowth talk in the anime and if thats not good enough evidence then I'll tell you more about the games Meowth has had 2 Regional forms with 1 new evolution and a gigantamax and was shown in the first scarlet and violet trailer
So basically there are more pokemon that gamefreak likes to use
Note: This is my opinion I'm not in the mood to argue with someone
Hmm, you know that's a good point; Meowth is the only other Pokemon that has been in the anime as long as Pikachu. Although they are supposed to have a rivalry, down to their numbers being inverted (25-52)
@@emperorcubone Yeah
I agree! It's also my second least favorite pokemon which makes it worse.
Do underrated mons next, i agree with greninja.
I don't agree with Garchomp here. Sure, it has lots of love, but I believe it totally deserves it. It is one of those Pokémon where the design perfectly encapsulates the inspirations and blends them together organically. Like, who would have thought that a land shark jet dragon could be pulled off this well?? It is true that it is very powerful, but that's bound to happen if you are a pseudo-legendary. Also, looking at the pseudos before and even after it, I think Garchomp stands out pretty well. And blame Salamence for the dragon type trend, it did it a generation before. Also, I think Flygon has the "so underrated it's now overrated" type of scenario. Nowadays lots of people overrate this Pokémon (I love it as well, but being honest Garchomp is superior in almost every way). Flygon is cool, but I wouldn't blame Garchomp for stealing the spotlight, as Flygon never had the spotlight in the first place until people realised what a great Pokémon it is. Long story short, Garchomp is very well regarded, but it deserves it.
(Great video btw)
I had similar sentiments. While I sorta understand the reasoning, I didn't really consider Garchomp to be overrated. As for the "so underrated it's overrated" thing for Flygon, I think we can blame that on Salamence getting (a poorly designed, personally) mega evolution with Flygon being left with nothing. It was the perfect opportunity to give the "dragonfly dragon pokemon" a dragon/bug type form to play further into its gimmick. Then again, this could just be that "so underrated it's overrated" thinking itself XD
EDIT: forgot to mention that I love the mega form given to Flygon in the fangame Pokemon: Insurgence. I feel it perfectly hits that blend of draconic and insectoid.
Man i was gonna type similar comment but you did it first.You are right.If i live in a Pokemon world the day i turn 10 I'm gonna find a gible and become the best of the best
It's not about deserving it or not; I think Charizard is very worthy of attention, but it still gets a lot.
I like how the last half of the video consists of playable Smash Bros. characters. D:
Unpopular Opinion:
Salamence is overrated and is my least favorite psuedo
To me, Salamence feels like an inferior dragonite in every way.
I know that a lot of people like salamence, but I am sorry. Dragonite deserved the mega more. (Yeah it would have been ubers but that would have been awesome.)
I just really don't like how it looks I've never used it despite gen 3 being my favorite
Agreed
While I don't disagree that Dragonite probably needed the Mega more, I don't really care for Dragonite in the first place. As you saw it was on the thumbnail so I find it overrated; it's like Gengar, it's not "good," just the only Dragon at the time. So yes, Salamence is the same typing as Dragonite, but to me it did literally everything way better...
Honestly I think Lucario should be here instead of Pikachu, with Pikachu it makes sense that it's that popular and it really isn't excessive.
Yeah it's not always organic when he fits in...but even for those times most of the time he fits in as someone who represents Pokémon as a whole.
Pikachu having that many forms make sense as well with it being well...the series mascot, it should logically get special attention.
Although yes FINALLY! Someone else sees just how overrated Greninja is. He is at least comparable to Charizard in that aspect if not even more overrated.
I’m glad someone else agrees with me in the Greninja department. Kalos was the second generation in which I chose a grass type. The first was Johto, by the way.
You're in the vast minority then especially johto
Eh, I chose grass in Gen 3, 6 and 7!
Fire in 4 and 8
Water in 1,2 and 5
To complete this, I’ll pick Fuecoco in Gen 9
I don't agree but good taste for chikorita
I've actually chosen Grass the majority of the time, Kalos included, but I like the overall type of Grass far less than the other two, so I guess they just design cool staters...
I wound up choosing Chesnaught because it was the starter I despise the least.
Justice for Flygon and I agree on Leon using a stupid Charizard as his ace, while the charizard has some good coverage moves that doesn't excuse it from taking a better rep's place instead
huh,i didn't know that greninja was so overused. i guess growing away from the franchise does that. i do admit it is my fave gen 6 starter,but i do have a weakness for the water starters.glad swampert isn't here
I'm also a fan of the water type starters in general, but I feel like Greninja was picked for a few reasons, with the biggest one that it was put on a pedestal more than any other starter in the series before or since, other than Charizard, that is, I'd be remiss to not mention that. But with Swampert, on the other hand, it's generally agreed that it deserves the praise it gets from people, and I can definitely see it as being the second most loved water starter after Greninja; I will, however, admit that u don't really like the design of it's mega evolution and that it somewhat randomly has swift swim as it's new ability
Top 6 underrated Pokemon Video next week?👀
Looking Forward to it