one of the places I thought would be huge but was disappointed with was Ever Grande City. The name literally has Grande and City but literally just has a pokemon center with the entrance to victory road. I initially thought it might be a big city before you make way to the elite four.
Yeah, I think labeling "City" was a bad call; it's basically Indigo Plateau, but since they didn't call it "Indigo City" it got a pass, so if they just called it "Evergrande Station" or something it would have worked much better...
If they at least only counted the Pokemon League as "Ever Grande City" (meaning the area before Victory Road would be a part of the nearby route), that would be OK. The League itself isn't really enough for the place to be called a city, but it certainly _is_ "Grande", so it would be sorta understandable.
British person here! I would say Postwick is a hamlet (a settlement smaller than a village) which are very common in the British countryside which granted is still more that 2 houses, but when most starter towns have like 4 houses it is proportional in that sense. It’s useful to give them a name for postal reasons as the closet villages may be too far away to be considered part of them.
As far as Virbank is considered, you have obviously not been to New Jersey. It's called the Garden state because of all the beautiful farmland and forests in the south and middle of the state. However, as you go north towards NYC, you run into just the worst cities imaginable. Floccesy and Virbank are perfect examples.
The nicest parts of Jersey in terms of scenery are in the north and west. The NYC suburbs are the northeast, but more east than north. And the change from rural to suburban to urban is gradual, not so stark lol. It’s not like Upper Saddle River borders Irvington
Similarly, you could compare Virbank to LA. I know NJ is closer to NY, but in other languages the studios are literally referred to as Pokéwood. Hollywood is gorgeous, sure, but that's only because all the extremely rich celebrities and the other people who enable them live there. Look at the actual city where the normal people and deluded wannabes live though and you'll see it's pretty grimy. That actually fits really well with the Gym being a rundown, grungy club and Roxie being a punk rocker the more I think about it. They represent the underground counterculture scene. This video funnily enough just made me appreciate Virbank City more by making me notice that dichotomy. I think I like it for how different it is from how pristine and utopian the Pokemon world usually is. That's a big part of why I love the Colosseum games after all. P.S. Since he mentioned Castelia City and the sewers, I don't remember where I heard this rumor exactly, but it basically said that Roxie was initially supposed to replace Burgh as the Gym Leader there and that's why they opened up the sewers to us, because her Gym was originally going to be located down there. Not sure if this is true or why they changed it if it is, but I thought I should share it nonetheless.
@@roscoedash6673 Good sir. I will never concede to the belief that the southern shore of Jersey is not the most beautiful. To do otherwise would be an insult to my homeland.
@@emperorcubone Team Skull grunts are kind of all over the region anyway, they get around. I can only assume that wherever there are Team Skull grunts they're probably stealing stuff to bring back to home base. I wouldn't put it past them.
@@emperorcubone I sincerely disagree with your opinion of Virbank City, it sounds more like you're stating that you just don't like the fact that it's not clean or looks dirty and run down rather than the actual purpose of it existing along with the cool features or things that exist there. Virbank City has a lot more purpose than a lot of other cities or towns and sticks out a lot in the Unova games adding to it's uniqueness, acting as a contrast to the countryside like nature of Aspertia City and transitioning into the awesome city that is Castelia. The whole aesthetic of it also fits the gym adding to the grungy and punk themes
As a person who lived in a smallish village, I would call Post Wick, a small village - especially if we count in the farmland around. There are parts of Sweden that have like 2-4 houses and very much land being called by a separate name. Both in Sweden and England some parts of the land is called "name" even if it's basically just one farm. It's very much not a town though.
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I know in HG/SS if you talk to your Pokémon in Blackthorn, they are looking up at the mountain looming above the city. It would’ve made the town at least a little bit cooler to have either a big shadow of the mountain covering part of the town to explain the lack of vegetation, or maybe had a picture of the city with a upshot of the mountain, like how they had pictures for when you entered ice path or slowpoke well.
In Britain we have very small settlements in the country sometimes, they're not designated as towns, usually a Hamlet or Village with some older ones actually designating that, Postwick is a hamlet at most or an outlier to a nearby village, it's named separately as the village probably grew over time and extended towards the small country houses.
I actually liked Blackthorn City. It's just diferent then all those big ending city's. A quiet remote town in the mountains home to a dragon cult. It feels very mystic to me and worth the travel trough Ice Path.
Have to disagree with Blackthorn and Dewford. They may not be the best towns but I don't think they qualify as the worst. But I would submit Spikemuth from Galar as the worst ever. You only get to explore a hallway and only during the gym challenge. Po Town went a step further by having grunt run the Pokemon Center but Spikemuth just has a few grunt hanging with literally everything else the same. You walk in, do the gym, leave, and have no reason to return. There is nothing there. No homes to visit. No people to get random lore from. Just the gym with an interesting concept having no Dynamax. But there is nothing there.
If not for Postwick's only defining feature being the Slumbering Weald (where you don't even catch your box legendary you just help Hop catch the counterpart to the one you own) I'd 100% say Spikemuth. But the Slumbering Weald is counted as its own thing, not even seen as part of Postwick.
You actually can get up to meteor falls from rustboro once you have surf. There’s a way on the route above to surf past the ledge and get back in. Doesn’t really ever get used as it’s after you’d ever really need to go in there except to fight Steven and the route from the north is more intuitive and feels faster.
Virbank's contrast to Aspertia is a solid design choice to be honest. It represents the variety of the Northeast US very well, so it's successful in what it's intended to do. That doesn't mean you have to enjoy being there, but I wouldn't say it's conceptually bad objectively.
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As someone who lives in Hollywood/ LA, Virbank city is actually pretty accurate, movie studios be very nice and some other areas are rundown and sketchy
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With all the valid criticism you gave to Blackthorn City, I’m surprised you didn’t mention the part where Claire, the city’s Gym Leader, doesn’t even give you the badge after beating her fair and square. (Jerk….) Then again, I guess its unfair in itself to blame an entire city for what a single person did. XD Great job with this list, Emperor Cubone!
I left a tiny reference to it at the very end, but it is ridiculous. Whitney does it too; what is it about Johto NOT giving you the badges you've earned?
I always feel like Whitney gets called out on not giving you the badge, but Clair is treated like a waifu. To me, she's worse than Whitney, at least Whitney gives it to you like 5 seconds later! Lol
Ah yeah, the monorail in Coumarine City… First time playing, it went a little like this: Me talking to the person blocking the way, “You need to speak with the woman at the counter first.” Me walking over to the counter. “Do you want to ride the monorail?” “Yes.” Person blocking the way moves aside. Me: “For free? Just like that? Then what was the point of blocking the way then?”
I'm from the lake District where Postwick is based and honestly? Yeah Postwick is v small but a farmland town is bound to have fewer properties. You got the right explanation but then discounted it. We're very rural and many places are very close. We certainly don't have 2-house towns but I don't think that's too much of a step down from 3 or 4 houses ;)
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I think it's probably worth bearing in mind that the towns and cities in the games are not an actual reflection of the Pokémon world: the anime consistently shows towns and cities being a lot bigger and more populous, so I think it's reasonable to assume that Postwick, in the fictional reality of the Pokémon world, consists of more than just two houses, but, for the sake of gameplay, two houses are all you're allowed to explore. It's not much different from Pallet Town, which has only two houses (your house and your rival's) to explore, but does at least include Professor Oak's lab: in the anime, however, Pallet Town is a lot bigger and has a sizable population for a small town.
I would say the games ARE the primary interpretation of the Pokemon world since they were first and give birth to outside material like the anime. But to your point, other cities in Galar DO have buildings you can't explore, so at the very least they could have included some in the foreground or something...
@@emperorcubone Could have had a farmhouses in the distance. Three buildings isn't a ton, but it'd possibly be reminiscent of pallet, a subtle nod to it. And also, I think there are some things cut away from the main gameplay, because looking at the credits of ORAS or DPPT show things the player does not see. You see towns and cities much larger than they would be otherwise.
@@emperorcubone I see your point, but you also have to consider technological limitations. Game Freak can’t just model entire neighborhoods into their games. Do you really think Galar only has like 100 houses total, just like in the games?
Tapu being small on the big island is probably a reference to how the big island of Hawaii is much less populated than the smaller island of Oahu. Mostly to do with fresh water accessibility and how mountainous and volcanic the big island is.
I'm surprised Anville Town and Ever Grande City aren't here. You literally don't even need to go to Anville Town, you can only access it through the Unova subway since it doesn't even have a Pokémon Center, and all it has to offer is a trainyard.
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I mean, Postwick is only a town because that's the common Pokemon (And US) vernacular. I know villages aren't really a big thing in the US, but they are in the UK. Postwick would be a very small one (Maybe even a hamlet) but it would be perfectly valid for it to be granted a name under that definition.
Yeah I was going to say that postwick is more of a hamlet than a town. If memory serves me correctly you can't even fly there which helps with the hamlet thing.
In my hometown area, there’s a “town” named Beehunter that consists of a couple houses and only one family. By a couple, I mean three. Years ago when the railroad was the main way of transport it was apparently more, but for as long as I’ve been alive it has only been one family.
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The juxtaposition of the two different sides of Virbank City is likely intended as commentary on gentrification in major US cities like NYC. There's one side that's nice and has an acting studio, but then there's also the dirty nasty side where all the poor folks are essentially stuck because the rich guys came along and made housing way too expensive
I don't disagree, but there was no commentary to speak of. No story points or dialogue about it, the visual differences are the only way you could try to contrive that narrative.
I hadn't even thought about the contrast between Virbank City in Black & White 2 and the surrounding routes/towns. I also dislike Pokéstar Studios. 😂 Nice video overall.
I love your best/worst videos. Feel not enough people talk about the towns, routes and maps enough. 90% of the cities should be renamed towns cause they're so small.
@@emperorcubone just looking at the towns vs cities there's probably a square foot criteria that makes the distinction but even the super sparse cities would/should really be towns
Although it’s a small place, I think it would be so cool to live in Ballonlea. Like your perception of reality would be so weird, with all the Fairy type magic everywhere.
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I personally really like Dewford BUT it is so weird that you get the TM for Sludge Bomb in Dewford only after beating Norman all the way in Petalburg. Beating Norman is what opens up the right half of the map. There is no reason anyone would go back to Dewford then. Players have to go in the opposite direction. That TM is the only thing that changes in the town.
it's called "exploration" my friend; on one hand, you have the main path and on the other, you have optional paths, both possessing their own respective rewards; that's the part I really love about Hoeen, it has so many completely optional yet rewarding side areas
Towns and cities they are clearly representational and symbolic rather than one two one. They put minimal symbolism to ‘represent’ a town or city. The real one is. Meant to be more like in the real world. This has always been true. The real version would have way more buildings and be way larger. So just keep that in mind when playing games and how you rate locations. This feels less good the more realistic/3D the graphics. It’s harder to believe a town is supposed to be more than 2 houses if the look/proportions to more realistic the graphics.
As weird as it sounds, I’ve actually always really liked Virbank City because it reminds me so much of where I grew up, lol. I did really hate being forced to do the Poke Star studios thing though.
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I disagree with your Postwick take. How many Pokémon cities have a lot of buildings to begin with? Not as much as you’d think. Postwick being a neighborhood is fine and the it looks really nice. Are they supposed to make other neighborhoods out side of the city? It’s not that bad
i do like virbank city though it might be mostly for the music and the gym. i do tend to like more run down cities in pokemon, and i really wish spikemuth could've had that vibe instead of just being a gym in the middle of a random route.
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I’m surprised you didn’t mention Black City, or at least, the original one from Black/White 1. First off, you had to do some multiplayer thing to even develop the thing, and it would disappear after a while. This can also be said for White Forest, but the contents of Black City aren’t really worth it. White forest can help you complete the Pokédex even more, but Black City just lets you buy items you can probably get anywhere else. Also, the people are just plain mean. They did improve it however in the sequels, where there, there’s an extra tower for you to get a shiny Pokemon
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This list HAS to be only paldea. I mean, no interiors, no interesting dialogues, nothing to do at all. Even the biggest city (I can’t remember the name) is completely empty
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I considered it for sure, but I thought Blackthorne outweighed it, since being nothing at the start isn't nearly as unforgivable as at the end of the game...
More like EverBLAND city, right guys? I might agree with the surfing vibe if Slateport didn't have a beach with tons of people tubing and playing in the water next beach chairs...
My least favorite town was Lavaridge. I understand it has the hot springs, but there was no place to train (if you had the Mach Bike) and it was such a pain getting back to it if you left.
Yeah... that was a strange choice. The nearest spot to heal once you hop down is either through a fire cave or the harsh desert to a random woman's house...
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To be fair to Blackthorn, it is only Gen 2. In Gen 1 most towns look pretty much the same and there isn't even a 'final' town in that sense, as the 8th badge is just tucked in the small town you visit first thing in your adventure. Gen 2 didn't have that many different designs yet either. It's only with gen 3 that town and route design really started to take off. I can see your point for the HG/SS version of Blackthorn, though I actually quite enjoy the Wild West feeling it has. Completely agree with your other picks though :)
I think the unfortunate thing with pokemon towns is obviously the old games had a certain conservation of detail due to hardware limitations, but now they are are trying to pass off the same layouts in 3D games with more details expected. This is how we end up with Postwick being so small and Wyndon being barely inhabited for such a big town... My worst town is a result of these cut corners Spikemuth... it's literally a single line and the only accessible building to the player is the pokemon center... it's neat that the city is the gym but it should still amount to more than the Nimbassa Runway with a dingy back ally coat of paint.
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The reason the big island in Alola is so empty is almost certainly because the big island in Hawaii is the same way. Most people are on Oahu which is considerably smaller
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Despite how often I played the game already - I actually forgot that Postwick was it's own town. I thought that it was part of the other town with the train station and these two houses were just a bit separate.
Humilau City would be the most miserable city to live in. Yes, it looks just like Pacifilog Town, but we have Kyurem living in a cave to the west of the city. Kyurem is known for EATING PEOPLE. Humilau, unlike Lacunosa, has no walls to protect you from this beast.
The thing about Kyurem eating people is very likely a myth by the people of Lacunosa. I'm pretty sure it's noted by one of the locals of Lacunosa that no such incident has actually been reported and the walls and curfews are more or less a formality. Remember, the same story that claims Kyurem eats people caims it came from a meteorite, when in reality it's likely the husk of the original dragon Reshiram and Zekrom split from. Humilau is also likely too out of the way for Kyurem to even go to compared to Lacunosa, so even if the story were true, it seems unlikely anyone living in Humilau is at risk.
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The fact that you put Dewford as the worst when a city which has the exact same issues but worse is also in Hoenn, Ever Grande. The only thing it has and it’s only purpose is the Pokémon centre before Victory Road, there’s no mart, there’s no houses, all it is is the Pokémon centre
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Idk about aesthetics or whatever but oh my god, fuschia city is awful to navigate. The ledges next to the pokemon center just make you walk all the way around if you fall off, and dont even get me started on the path to the safari zone (though this is improved in lgpe)
I think comparing dewford to the un destroyed cinnabar makes dewford look even worse. Cinnabar is also way in the corner, also has two water routes to it, but is way better. It only has five buildings but they are literally all useful/interesting. Dewford also has five, but only two are useful or interesting. Plus in gen one cinnabar had the missing no glitch to make it even more interesting.
As much as I like your other content, I greatly disagreed with five out of your six picks and was even almost disheartened by some. I really like Dewford Town and Blackthorn City a lot. But, I can give you some other cities and towns to hate on: 6. Wyndon City - you can look but cannot actually interact with anything. There is a ferris wheel you cannot even get to and the only interaction with the restaurant is... a stupid cutscene with Hop. 5. Turrfield - has so many fences and barriers and has very few actual buildings, easily one of the worst "towns" 4. Ballonlea - there's nothing to do here 3. Hammerlocke - is solely exterior design with no interior 2. Postwick is fine to hate 1. Spikemuth -- biggest disappointment of a town ever
I always thought Sootopolis is the worst place to live. They didn't bother building a bridge to connect the two sides of the island and you can't leave nor enter if you don't have a Pokemon with dive or fly
TCG players that either played when B/W was standard or in expanded also hate Virbank City. Portland tends to have expanded regionals which means a lot of expanded tournaments leading up to them in the area, I’ve seen my fair share of lasers/toad/Virbank. Not fun to play against.
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They should've put Brawly's gym at Slateport City. People who play the original Gen 3 games skip him (and Winona) but in ORAS it's required to beat him before you head to Slateport
I don't think I've always thought this, but Fuchsia City could do with a few more... things. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's probably my least favourite city/town of Kanto, especially when it comes to the Let's Go games. Apart from the gym and the Safari Zone (as it used to be), it's boring. A few underground areas with hidden entrances that change every 2 or 3 days would make it more fun to visit from time to time, in my opinion.
There aren't even any hidden items in the ruined foundation in Tapu Village. Such a wasted opportunity, which is a recurring theme in Alola. I would not even count Po Town as an actual town. It may have been at one time in the game's lore, but it really only serves as the game's villain team hideout.
The entry for Blackthorn City is very hard to argue against. I don't hate any of these locations included but heck I agree. Why is it so barren? Why are the houses so few in numbers and also made of wood? Why is it called a City when it's only the Pokémon centre, mart and Gym buildings and ONE house and a lake and two caves, if you include both the Dragon Den and the Ice Caves? There are other mountain region cities and towns that feel more homely and appear more developed, like Lavaridge Town, near a freaking volcano and surrounding mountainous area, and it has a natural hot spring and a local herb shop apart from the obvious Pokémon centre, mart and Gym buildings. And the town even has trees, which Blackthorn lacks. When a town overseas is in a worse off similarly situated locale and yet thrives with more clearly visible economy, you know you're doing something wrong. Heck Ecruteak City in the same region is actually deserving of its title as a city because of its sheer size and content. Blackthorn City more like Blank n Torn Town.
Ecruteak is by far my favorite Johto city; it's huge with tons of cultural significance! Currently Goldenrod would've made a much better ending city than Blackthorne...
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At least Pokestar studios introduces you to a new form of battles, Mantine surfing is just something you’re forced to do that has nothing to do with battling and doesn’t fit at all for a Pokémon game, yet THATS the only way to get surfing Pikachu??
My least favorite towns are Oldale Town and Spikemuth. I don’t like Oldale Town because it honestly doesn’t need to exist. It’s just a few steps north of Littleroot Town and there is no reason to return there. At least Dewford Town had something, even if it was pretty insignificant. I don’t like Spikemuth because I was expecting it to be a cool, grungy city. Instead all we got was a glorified hallway.
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I don't like how the buildings in BLACKthorn City no longer have black roofs in the remake (and yes, the city's Japanese name also relates to the color black).
In defense of the starting town of Galar, there is a town in Wyoming that had like 2 buildings and 2 people living there (a couple) only being 10 acres, though is now a ghost town I believe
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Pretty sure Blackthorn is supposed to be less of a true city and more like the trope of a secluded ninja village, what with being home to the mysterious dragon clan.
I think you're missing the point with Virbank. That's the point. Hollywood is beautiful, the studios are nice, and the people who work with them are paid well, but LA, the community 6 miles down the road, is currently having a huge housing crisis and it really reflects on the streets. It's not sanitary, and it really does feel like Virbank catches the feel of the Hollywood/Los Angeles situation. Unova was a reflection om New York; However, just like we see in other regions, country identity usually takes a front seat to specific location identity. Unova felt much more like a Pokémon take on the US as a whole more so than just NY.
That may be so, but it seems like that's something we're looking back on and adding in, I'm not sure that was their intention 15 years ago. But you could be right!
@@hondaaccord1399 it's got the way to evolve Charcadet, it looks like an actual city, and it's aesthetically pleasing. More than what I can say about Grusha's turf.
one of the places I thought would be huge but was disappointed with was Ever Grande City. The name literally has Grande and City but literally just has a pokemon center with the entrance to victory road. I initially thought it might be a big city before you make way to the elite four.
Yeah, I think labeling "City" was a bad call; it's basically Indigo Plateau, but since they didn't call it "Indigo City" it got a pass, so if they just called it "Evergrande Station" or something it would have worked much better...
I was so excited to get to that point when the Anime had them go to an actual city, I started a bit later on Ruby so expectations were high
Yeah, Dewford is a small fishing village, but at least it doesn’t give itself a false status. Number 1 on the list should of been Ever Grande City…
@@AznYunHou I remember getting pokemon emerald as a kid and I thought that Ever Grande City and the Battle Frontier were the same place
If they at least only counted the Pokemon League as "Ever Grande City" (meaning the area before Victory Road would be a part of the nearby route), that would be OK. The League itself isn't really enough for the place to be called a city, but it certainly _is_ "Grande", so it would be sorta understandable.
British person here! I would say Postwick is a hamlet (a settlement smaller than a village) which are very common in the British countryside which granted is still more that 2 houses, but when most starter towns have like 4 houses it is proportional in that sense. It’s useful to give them a name for postal reasons as the closet villages may be too far away to be considered part of them.
how whimsical innit
We have that in Frnace too with the Hameaux.
As far as Virbank is considered, you have obviously not been to New Jersey. It's called the Garden state because of all the beautiful farmland and forests in the south and middle of the state. However, as you go north towards NYC, you run into just the worst cities imaginable. Floccesy and Virbank are perfect examples.
Unfortunately I HAVE been to New Jersey, hence my disdain for Virbank...
The nicest parts of Jersey in terms of scenery are in the north and west. The NYC suburbs are the northeast, but more east than north. And the change from rural to suburban to urban is gradual, not so stark lol. It’s not like Upper Saddle River borders Irvington
Similarly, you could compare Virbank to LA. I know NJ is closer to NY, but in other languages the studios are literally referred to as Pokéwood. Hollywood is gorgeous, sure, but that's only because all the extremely rich celebrities and the other people who enable them live there. Look at the actual city where the normal people and deluded wannabes live though and you'll see it's pretty grimy. That actually fits really well with the Gym being a rundown, grungy club and Roxie being a punk rocker the more I think about it. They represent the underground counterculture scene. This video funnily enough just made me appreciate Virbank City more by making me notice that dichotomy. I think I like it for how different it is from how pristine and utopian the Pokemon world usually is. That's a big part of why I love the Colosseum games after all.
P.S. Since he mentioned Castelia City and the sewers, I don't remember where I heard this rumor exactly, but it basically said that Roxie was initially supposed to replace Burgh as the Gym Leader there and that's why they opened up the sewers to us, because her Gym was originally going to be located down there. Not sure if this is true or why they changed it if it is, but I thought I should share it nonetheless.
@@roscoedash6673 Good sir. I will never concede to the belief that the southern shore of Jersey is not the most beautiful. To do otherwise would be an insult to my homeland.
@@emperorcubone Virbank is based on Los Angeles (the name is a pun on Burbank, California)
How does Po Town get supplies if the entire town is walled off?
Easy, Team Skull grunts go out and steal supplies.
From who? The police station right outside town? Cause that's the only civilization for miles!
@@emperorcubone Team Skull grunts are kind of all over the region anyway, they get around.
I can only assume that wherever there are Team Skull grunts they're probably stealing stuff to bring back to home base. I wouldn't put it past them.
@@emperorcubone *"From who?"*
Anybody in Alola. Flying Pokemon exist. They can just use them and fly from and to their home base.
I think Virbank is sick, I love the music and the gym and honestly I think it has a great vibe even if it kind of sticks out from the rest
Oh it is definitely sick, and you will be too if you go there...
@@emperorcubone I sincerely disagree with your opinion of Virbank City, it sounds more like you're stating that you just don't like the fact that it's not clean or looks dirty and run down rather than the actual purpose of it existing along with the cool features or things that exist there. Virbank City has a lot more purpose than a lot of other cities or towns and sticks out a lot in the Unova games adding to it's uniqueness, acting as a contrast to the countryside like nature of Aspertia City and transitioning into the awesome city that is Castelia. The whole aesthetic of it also fits the gym adding to the grungy and punk themes
As a person who lived in a smallish village, I would call Post Wick, a small village - especially if we count in the farmland around. There are parts of Sweden that have like 2-4 houses and very much land being called by a separate name. Both in Sweden and England some parts of the land is called "name" even if it's basically just one farm. It's very much not a town though.
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I love Virbank, the music alone makes it a good city + it really nails its theme of New Jersey as well as making sense to house a posion gym
I know in HG/SS if you talk to your Pokémon in Blackthorn, they are looking up at the mountain looming above the city. It would’ve made the town at least a little bit cooler to have either a big shadow of the mountain covering part of the town to explain the lack of vegetation, or maybe had a picture of the city with a upshot of the mountain, like how they had pictures for when you entered ice path or slowpoke well.
These ideas are the main reasons I'd be interested to see a Let's Go Johto, to give a facelift with an increased graphical display!
@@emperorcubone let’s go Johto would’ve been so much better of an idea over Pika/Eevee omg
@@ptylio6149 I dunno after seeing what PE did I don't think I want one, I'd rather have them go the Legends way, maybe focus on Celebi
In Britain we have very small settlements in the country sometimes, they're not designated as towns, usually a Hamlet or Village with some older ones actually designating that, Postwick is a hamlet at most or an outlier to a nearby village, it's named separately as the village probably grew over time and extended towards the small country houses.
I actually liked Blackthorn City. It's just diferent then all those big ending city's. A quiet remote town in the mountains home to a dragon cult. It feels very mystic to me and worth the travel trough Ice Path.
Thank you! Like how can it be such a bad place when there’s more lore to it than most towns anymore. It’s my fav city
yeah but why call itself a "city"?
The way you assaulted Virbank City was brutal I felt attacked lol can’t deny the place has one of the best city songs
Have to disagree with Blackthorn and Dewford. They may not be the best towns but I don't think they qualify as the worst.
But I would submit Spikemuth from Galar as the worst ever. You only get to explore a hallway and only during the gym challenge. Po Town went a step further by having grunt run the Pokemon Center but Spikemuth just has a few grunt hanging with literally everything else the same. You walk in, do the gym, leave, and have no reason to return. There is nothing there. No homes to visit. No people to get random lore from. Just the gym with an interesting concept having no Dynamax. But there is nothing there.
Agree, blackthorn and dewford definitely do not fit on this list
Spikemuth would have clenched it from Galar, if not for Postwick...
If not for Postwick's only defining feature being the Slumbering Weald (where you don't even catch your box legendary you just help Hop catch the counterpart to the one you own) I'd 100% say Spikemuth. But the Slumbering Weald is counted as its own thing, not even seen as part of Postwick.
Blackthorn is pretty barren tbh
Though I do agree with you about Dewford. it's supposed to be a "small town that everyone knows each other"
You actually can get up to meteor falls from rustboro once you have surf. There’s a way on the route above to surf past the ledge and get back in. Doesn’t really ever get used as it’s after you’d ever really need to go in there except to fight Steven and the route from the north is more intuitive and feels faster.
Virbank's contrast to Aspertia is a solid design choice to be honest. It represents the variety of the Northeast US very well, so it's successful in what it's intended to do. That doesn't mean you have to enjoy being there, but I wouldn't say it's conceptually bad objectively.
I mean the biggest island having the least cities is pretty accurate to Hawaii. The Big Island compared to Oahu and Maui
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As someone who lives in Hollywood/ LA, Virbank city is actually pretty accurate, movie studios be very nice and some other areas are rundown and sketchy
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Right! Paramount and Hollywood are not exactly the cleanest and safest cities. I don’t get the criticism there
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With all the valid criticism you gave to Blackthorn City, I’m surprised you didn’t mention the part where Claire, the city’s Gym Leader, doesn’t even give you the badge after beating her fair and square. (Jerk….) Then again, I guess its unfair in itself to blame an entire city for what a single person did. XD Great job with this list, Emperor Cubone!
I left a tiny reference to it at the very end, but it is ridiculous. Whitney does it too; what is it about Johto NOT giving you the badges you've earned?
I always feel like Whitney gets called out on not giving you the badge, but Clair is treated like a waifu. To me, she's worse than Whitney, at least Whitney gives it to you like 5 seconds later! Lol
@@emperorcubone I’m sorry, I missed it! I guess female Gym Leaders in Johto are super salty. XD
Blackthorn also has one of the most dangerous gyms. Molten lava in an enclosed space? How are the people inside not melted to death?!
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Ah yeah, the monorail in Coumarine City… First time playing, it went a little like this:
Me talking to the person blocking the way,
“You need to speak with the woman at the counter first.”
Me walking over to the counter.
“Do you want to ride the monorail?”
“Yes.”
Person blocking the way moves aside.
Me: “For free? Just like that? Then what was the point of blocking the way then?”
They gotta create jobs somehow!
I'm from the lake District where Postwick is based and honestly? Yeah Postwick is v small but a farmland town is bound to have fewer properties. You got the right explanation but then discounted it. We're very rural and many places are very close. We certainly don't have 2-house towns but I don't think that's too much of a step down from 3 or 4 houses ;)
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I think it's probably worth bearing in mind that the towns and cities in the games are not an actual reflection of the Pokémon world: the anime consistently shows towns and cities being a lot bigger and more populous, so I think it's reasonable to assume that Postwick, in the fictional reality of the Pokémon world, consists of more than just two houses, but, for the sake of gameplay, two houses are all you're allowed to explore. It's not much different from Pallet Town, which has only two houses (your house and your rival's) to explore, but does at least include Professor Oak's lab: in the anime, however, Pallet Town is a lot bigger and has a sizable population for a small town.
I would say the games ARE the primary interpretation of the Pokemon world since they were first and give birth to outside material like the anime. But to your point, other cities in Galar DO have buildings you can't explore, so at the very least they could have included some in the foreground or something...
@@emperorcubone Could have had a farmhouses in the distance. Three buildings isn't a ton, but it'd possibly be reminiscent of pallet, a subtle nod to it. And also, I think there are some things cut away from the main gameplay, because looking at the credits of ORAS or DPPT show things the player does not see. You see towns and cities much larger than they would be otherwise.
@@emperorcubone I see your point, but you also have to consider technological limitations. Game Freak can’t just model entire neighborhoods into their games. Do you really think Galar only has like 100 houses total, just like in the games?
@@TheRGuyRock No, but even just adding two more locked houses would've greatly improved the impression of an actual town.
Tapu being small on the big island is probably a reference to how the big island of Hawaii is much less populated than the smaller island of Oahu. Mostly to do with fresh water accessibility and how mountainous and volcanic the big island is.
I'm surprised Anville Town and Ever Grande City aren't here. You literally don't even need to go to Anville Town, you can only access it through the Unova subway since it doesn't even have a Pokémon Center, and all it has to offer is a trainyard.
Ever Grande is literally the end of the game
Vibrank city is quite unique and personally I do like it a lot. The weirdness in it is awesome
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I think it would be cool to see your rankings for each town/city in each region! Always love your commentary 😊
I'd have to do that one region at a time so as not to make an hour long video, but I've not really thought about all the middle ones...
I mean, Postwick is only a town because that's the common Pokemon (And US) vernacular. I know villages aren't really a big thing in the US, but they are in the UK. Postwick would be a very small one (Maybe even a hamlet) but it would be perfectly valid for it to be granted a name under that definition.
Yeah I was going to say that postwick is more of a hamlet than a town. If memory serves me correctly you can't even fly there which helps with the hamlet thing.
In my hometown area, there’s a “town” named Beehunter that consists of a couple houses and only one family. By a couple, I mean three.
Years ago when the railroad was the main way of transport it was apparently more, but for as long as I’ve been alive it has only been one family.
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The juxtaposition of the two different sides of Virbank City is likely intended as commentary on gentrification in major US cities like NYC. There's one side that's nice and has an acting studio, but then there's also the dirty nasty side where all the poor folks are essentially stuck because the rich guys came along and made housing way too expensive
I don't disagree, but there was no commentary to speak of. No story points or dialogue about it, the visual differences are the only way you could try to contrive that narrative.
As someone who grew up somewhere very similar to Postwick, I think you're just getting hung up on semantics. It's a hamlet, not a suburb or a town.
Sure, but was it six yards away from another one with a different name?
@@emperorcubone yes, that's what hamlets are. Very small areas with a handful of houses seemingly joined on to a slightly larger village.
Your a British viewer.
@@fireembliam9090 correct.
Virbank is one of if not my favorite city.
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I honestly do keep forgetting Wedgehurst and Postwick are separate and not put together.
It makes no sense; what is Route 1 even there for?
Cinnabar Island may have a Gym and a lab, but it only has one house, and it's abandoned. Where does everybody live?
Also don't forget Gen 2 when only the Pokemon Center survived...
I hadn't even thought about the contrast between Virbank City in Black & White 2 and the surrounding routes/towns. I also dislike Pokéstar Studios. 😂 Nice video overall.
I love your best/worst videos. Feel not enough people talk about the towns, routes and maps enough. 90% of the cities should be renamed towns cause they're so small.
It does confuse me on who decides which ones get the "city" label vs. "town." Is there ANY criteria, or are you just drawing from a hat?
@@emperorcubone just looking at the towns vs cities there's probably a square foot criteria that makes the distinction but even the super sparse cities would/should really be towns
Although it’s a small place, I think it would be so cool to live in Ballonlea. Like your perception of reality would be so weird, with all the Fairy type magic everywhere.
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I personally really like Dewford BUT it is so weird that you get the TM for Sludge Bomb in Dewford only after beating Norman all the way in Petalburg. Beating Norman is what opens up the right half of the map. There is no reason anyone would go back to Dewford then. Players have to go in the opposite direction. That TM is the only thing that changes in the town.
Yeah, see... I didn't even know that was a thing because I never went back!
it's called "exploration" my friend; on one hand, you have the main path and on the other, you have optional paths, both possessing their own respective rewards; that's the part I really love about Hoeen, it has so many completely optional yet rewarding side areas
Surprised Pacifidlog town wasn't mentioned since it doesn't have a gym unlike Dewford town and it's in the middle of nowhere
It is remote, and small but there was at least a unique idea behind Pacifidlog. Dewford is just a bland regular town, even with a gym...
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Towns and cities they are clearly representational and symbolic rather than one two one. They put minimal symbolism to ‘represent’ a town or city. The real one is. Meant to be more like in the real world. This has always been true. The real version would have way more buildings and be way larger. So just keep that in mind when playing games and how you rate locations. This feels less good the more realistic/3D the graphics. It’s harder to believe a town is supposed to be more than 2 houses if the look/proportions to more realistic the graphics.
As weird as it sounds, I’ve actually always really liked Virbank City because it reminds me so much of where I grew up, lol.
I did really hate being forced to do the Poke Star studios thing though.
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Why didn't you evolve to emperor marowak?
He's holding an Evemperor Stone
I think I'd have to get at least 28 million subscribers, since Cubone evolves at 28...
@@emperorcubone understandable
What about Alolan Marowak?
I disagree with your Postwick take. How many Pokémon cities have a lot of buildings to begin with? Not as much as you’d think. Postwick being a neighborhood is fine and the it looks really nice. Are they supposed to make other neighborhoods out side of the city? It’s not that bad
But at least the others all have more than just two buildings.
i do like virbank city though it might be mostly for the music and the gym. i do tend to like more run down cities in pokemon, and i really wish spikemuth could've had that vibe instead of just being a gym in the middle of a random route.
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I’m surprised you didn’t mention Black City, or at least, the original one from Black/White 1. First off, you had to do some multiplayer thing to even develop the thing, and it would disappear after a while. This can also be said for White Forest, but the contents of Black City aren’t really worth it. White forest can help you complete the Pokédex even more, but Black City just lets you buy items you can probably get anywhere else. Also, the people are just plain mean. They did improve it however in the sequels, where there, there’s an extra tower for you to get a shiny Pokemon
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This list HAS to be only paldea. I mean, no interiors, no interesting dialogues, nothing to do at all. Even the biggest city (I can’t remember the name) is completely empty
Virbank city is my favorite town in all of unova. So we're gonna fite on that one my friend
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Honestly, if it wasn't for the supermarket trail, I would have 200% forgotten about Tapu Village
Cherrygrove is a pathetic excuse for a city and I was hoping it'd be on this list, but alas.
I considered it for sure, but I thought Blackthorne outweighed it, since being nothing at the start isn't nearly as unforgivable as at the end of the game...
Pretty sure Po Town is just a straight up prison.
They tricked them into thinking the prison was their idea!
Dewford has that small beach town vibe which I like. Ever Grande City is a totally flop though.
More like EverBLAND city, right guys?
I might agree with the surfing vibe if Slateport didn't have a beach with tons of people tubing and playing in the water next beach chairs...
I remember playing X and getting on the train at Coumarine and was like “wait, what was the point of that”
Enjoyed the passion in this video
I always thought Virbank City was pretty cool
My least favorite town was Lavaridge. I understand it has the hot springs, but there was no place to train (if you had the Mach Bike) and it was such a pain getting back to it if you left.
Yeah... that was a strange choice. The nearest spot to heal once you hop down is either through a fire cave or the harsh desert to a random woman's house...
okay but every town in paldea is worse than than these
I kind of like Levincia, but you're not wrong!
Ok but Ever Grande City Exists
I can’t believe Ever Grande City was not on this list
A moment of silence for every time Brawly had his gym skipped, just for someone to come back near the end of the game to ruin his career
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To be fair to Blackthorn, it is only Gen 2. In Gen 1 most towns look pretty much the same and there isn't even a 'final' town in that sense, as the 8th badge is just tucked in the small town you visit first thing in your adventure. Gen 2 didn't have that many different designs yet either. It's only with gen 3 that town and route design really started to take off. I can see your point for the HG/SS version of Blackthorn, though I actually quite enjoy the Wild West feeling it has. Completely agree with your other picks though :)
I think the unfortunate thing with pokemon towns is obviously the old games had a certain conservation of detail due to hardware limitations, but now they are are trying to pass off the same layouts in 3D games with more details expected. This is how we end up with Postwick being so small and Wyndon being barely inhabited for such a big town...
My worst town is a result of these cut corners
Spikemuth... it's literally a single line and the only accessible building to the player is the pokemon center... it's neat that the city is the gym but it should still amount to more than the Nimbassa Runway with a dingy back ally coat of paint.
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The reason the big island in Alola is so empty is almost certainly because the big island in Hawaii is the same way. Most people are on Oahu which is considerably smaller
Malie City is definitely based on Hilo, which while the state seat, is not a big place.
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I should've known Dewford would be #1 on this list. I remember you saying in a previous video that it was basically just "worse Cianwood."
Yeah, apparently I had more to say about it. Somebody else commented that it's basically a ripoff of Cinnabar too, so it's a double failure...
Despite how often I played the game already - I actually forgot that Postwick was it's own town. I thought that it was part of the other town with the train station and these two houses were just a bit separate.
Humilau City would be the most miserable city to live in. Yes, it looks just like Pacifilog Town, but we have Kyurem living in a cave to the west of the city. Kyurem is known for EATING PEOPLE. Humilau, unlike Lacunosa, has no walls to protect you from this beast.
The thing about Kyurem eating people is very likely a myth by the people of Lacunosa. I'm pretty sure it's noted by one of the locals of Lacunosa that no such incident has actually been reported and the walls and curfews are more or less a formality.
Remember, the same story that claims Kyurem eats people caims it came from a meteorite, when in reality it's likely the husk of the original dragon Reshiram and Zekrom split from.
Humilau is also likely too out of the way for Kyurem to even go to compared to Lacunosa, so even if the story were true, it seems unlikely anyone living in Humilau is at risk.
Thankfully there is no Pyrite Town slander in this video 👏🏽
I am surprised ever grande city isn't on the list, that city has literally no houses
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The fact that you put Dewford as the worst when a city which has the exact same issues but worse is also in Hoenn, Ever Grande. The only thing it has and it’s only purpose is the Pokémon centre before Victory Road, there’s no mart, there’s no houses, all it is is the Pokémon centre
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Am I rembering wrong or don't some of the npcs in the trailers next to Tapu Village say they were forced out of the village or something like that?
Idk about aesthetics or whatever but oh my god, fuschia city is awful to navigate. The ledges next to the pokemon center just make you walk all the way around if you fall off, and dont even get me started on the path to the safari zone (though this is improved in lgpe)
Yeah, that was a weird idea; I don't think any other prominent town has had ledges since, probably for good reason...
Virbank City is supposed to be modeled after Burbank/LA, presumably because it has Hollywood (PokéStar Studios) but also has a lot of pollution.
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Number 1 pick is emperor Cubone popping off so hard
Dang dude you been holding this for 20 years and just let it all out
I remember the cities/towns in Shield and Sword but not their names
I think comparing dewford to the un destroyed cinnabar makes dewford look even worse. Cinnabar is also way in the corner, also has two water routes to it, but is way better. It only has five buildings but they are literally all useful/interesting. Dewford also has five, but only two are useful or interesting. Plus in gen one cinnabar had the missing no glitch to make it even more interesting.
Dewford has 1 and a half interesting buildings, tops. But you're right, Dewforf is a worse Cianwood AND a worse Cinnabar!
As much as I like your other content, I greatly disagreed with five out of your six picks and was even almost disheartened by some. I really like Dewford Town and Blackthorn City a lot. But, I can give you some other cities and towns to hate on:
6. Wyndon City - you can look but cannot actually interact with anything. There is a ferris wheel you cannot even get to and the only interaction with the restaurant is... a stupid cutscene with Hop.
5. Turrfield - has so many fences and barriers and has very few actual buildings, easily one of the worst "towns"
4. Ballonlea - there's nothing to do here
3. Hammerlocke - is solely exterior design with no interior
2. Postwick is fine to hate
1. Spikemuth -- biggest disappointment of a town ever
I think there is no excuse for how small towns in Pokemon are. Especially on the hardware they have now.
Yeah, although Galar had many spots with "buildings" but you couldn't even go inside, or just the ground floor, so I don't think that's much better...
I always thought Sootopolis is the worst place to live. They didn't bother building a bridge to connect the two sides of the island and you can't leave nor enter if you don't have a Pokemon with dive or fly
4:10 Considering how various cities in California function, the answer to this question is definitely no. "Not In My Backyard!" is a thing after all.
Dunford reminds me of a city I lived in during high school. Yeah there were small shops but the closest Walmart was like around 15 miles 😂
TCG players that either played when B/W was standard or in expanded also hate Virbank City. Portland tends to have expanded regionals which means a lot of expanded tournaments leading up to them in the area, I’ve seen my fair share of lasers/toad/Virbank. Not fun to play against.
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They should've put Brawly's gym at Slateport City. People who play the original Gen 3 games skip him (and Winona) but in ORAS it's required to beat him before you head to Slateport
I don't think I've always thought this, but Fuchsia City could do with a few more... things. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's probably my least favourite city/town of Kanto, especially when it comes to the Let's Go games. Apart from the gym and the Safari Zone (as it used to be), it's boring. A few underground areas with hidden entrances that change every 2 or 3 days would make it more fun to visit from time to time, in my opinion.
There aren't even any hidden items in the ruined foundation in Tapu Village. Such a wasted opportunity, which is a recurring theme in Alola. I would not even count Po Town as an actual town. It may have been at one time in the game's lore, but it really only serves as the game's villain team hideout.
Right? Would it kill them to have a single Z-Crystal laying around or something?
Dewford has awesome cavemons
Never thought I’d ever hear someone say that Professor Magnolia is “arguably a more important figure” than Leon lmao
I did say "Arguably."
@@emperorcubone fair lmao
Po Town should have changed to a cleaned up renovated town upon revisit after you beat the villains there
The entry for Blackthorn City is very hard to argue against. I don't hate any of these locations included but heck I agree. Why is it so barren? Why are the houses so few in numbers and also made of wood? Why is it called a City when it's only the Pokémon centre, mart and Gym buildings and ONE house and a lake and two caves, if you include both the Dragon Den and the Ice Caves? There are other mountain region cities and towns that feel more homely and appear more developed, like Lavaridge Town, near a freaking volcano and surrounding mountainous area, and it has a natural hot spring and a local herb shop apart from the obvious Pokémon centre, mart and Gym buildings. And the town even has trees, which Blackthorn lacks.
When a town overseas is in a worse off similarly situated locale and yet thrives with more clearly visible economy, you know you're doing something wrong. Heck Ecruteak City in the same region is actually deserving of its title as a city because of its sheer size and content.
Blackthorn City more like Blank n Torn Town.
Ecruteak is by far my favorite Johto city; it's huge with tons of cultural significance! Currently Goldenrod would've made a much better ending city than Blackthorne...
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At least Pokestar studios introduces you to a new form of battles, Mantine surfing is just something you’re forced to do that has nothing to do with battling and doesn’t fit at all for a Pokémon game, yet THATS the only way to get surfing Pikachu??
What about North Pettalburg? That's the REAL worst town in Hoenn.
My least favorite towns are Oldale Town and Spikemuth. I don’t like Oldale Town because it honestly doesn’t need to exist. It’s just a few steps north of Littleroot Town and there is no reason to return there. At least Dewford Town had something, even if it was pretty insignificant.
I don’t like Spikemuth because I was expecting it to be a cool, grungy city. Instead all we got was a glorified hallway.
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I don't like how the buildings in BLACKthorn City no longer have black roofs in the remake (and yes, the city's Japanese name also relates to the color black).
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In defense of the starting town of Galar, there is a town in Wyoming that had like 2 buildings and 2 people living there (a couple) only being 10 acres, though is now a ghost town I believe
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Virbank City being one of the worst cities is one of the worst takes I've ever heard lmao
Postwick? This charming little patch of countryside? Bad? Actually, you made some pretty weird choices in your list.
Pretty sure Blackthorn is supposed to be less of a true city and more like the trope of a secluded ninja village, what with being home to the mysterious dragon clan.
I think you're missing the point with Virbank. That's the point. Hollywood is beautiful, the studios are nice, and the people who work with them are paid well, but LA, the community 6 miles down the road, is currently having a huge housing crisis and it really reflects on the streets. It's not sanitary, and it really does feel like Virbank catches the feel of the Hollywood/Los Angeles situation. Unova was a reflection om New York; However, just like we see in other regions, country identity usually takes a front seat to specific location identity. Unova felt much more like a Pokémon take on the US as a whole more so than just NY.
That may be so, but it seems like that's something we're looking back on and adding in, I'm not sure that was their intention 15 years ago. But you could be right!
I'd argue that the Alola region was full of un-memorable places tbh.
Bro made this right before Zapapico dropped 💀
I think you mean Glasaedo, only 3 buildings, the arena, the league building, and the poke center. Not even a sub shop.
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Yeah, but I don't mean from an irl standpoint. I mean like, from a gameplay standpoint
@@hondaaccord1399 it's got the way to evolve Charcadet, it looks like an actual city, and it's aesthetically pleasing.
More than what I can say about Grusha's turf.