INSANE NEWS! WAVES BACKTRACKED - IS THIS A WIN?

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  • Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
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    Hey there, Scott here from Chernobyl Studios and wow, another video.
    Today the CTO and co-founder of Waves came out and said they are bringing back perpetual licenses.
    In this video I explain and ask a few questions as well as give a few thoughts and ideas of what this might mean going into the future with Waves plugins.
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Комментарии • 77

  • @williamwolfdagger9788
    @williamwolfdagger9788 Год назад +12

    You know, it's nice when a lot of people bully a company to the point that they have to back down because they know if they don't, they're pretty much screwed.

  • @visionswords5477
    @visionswords5477 Год назад +1

    "I'm *literally* talking out of my butt" Incredible talent you have there, sir. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @mergo573
    @mergo573 Год назад +7

    Nice to know that power is still held by us consumers and that we can scare a company into a better decision. Unfortunately waves will always have a sour taste in most of our mouths from now on, but I’m still happy with their new decision

  • @xp50player
    @xp50player Год назад +5

    What makes the WUP a joke is that they base the fee on the inflated never-charged MSRP of the plugins. If it were a reasonable fraction of the typical sale price, more users would be fine with it.

    • @visionswords5477
      @visionswords5477 Год назад

      I didn't think about it this way but it seems true!

    • @user-ib2cl1zu3r
      @user-ib2cl1zu3r Год назад

      WUP is a joke as they have to code compatibility to continue selling their decades old plugins to new customers. They’re not doing us any favours. It’s a core part of their business they’re charging to existing customers instead of simply costing into the plugin

  • @TaylorDanley
    @TaylorDanley Год назад +1

    Great job! Next, you can make Neural release the desktop editor 😂🥳

  • @visionswords5477
    @visionswords5477 Год назад +2

    I've been saying Waves could've just made the subscriptions an option and no one would've cared; some people would've signed up and enjoyed it and others would buy them piece meal as they always have.

  • @kalidesu
    @kalidesu Год назад +2

    Waves customers: Go home Waves you're drunk.

  • @moisesvillasenor3302
    @moisesvillasenor3302 Год назад +2

    I'm glad that they listened

  • @TheGarageRecordingSC
    @TheGarageRecordingSC Год назад +8

    The CTO did mention about doing something a little extra, so perhaps they have an idea to do something like make the perpetual license upgrades a fixed fee instead of per plug-in. I would actually upgrade a little more frequently if it was just $29.99 or something like that. That could potentially bring in a lot more revenue because you would actually have people upgrading more often rather than like I did, which was twice in 10 years. Obviously I'm just spitballing, but I think waves actually needs to do a little something for the customer now instead of just saying it's going back and leaving it at that. I still take it as a win though.

    • @thegodsrockstar
      @thegodsrockstar Год назад +2

      Why even pay for upgrades when everyone else upgrades for free.. don't let them take unnecessary money out of your pockets 👍🏾

    • @TheGarageRecordingSC
      @TheGarageRecordingSC Год назад

      @@thegodsrockstar I would say that most of the other companies out there are extremely small compared to waves. I personally never had a problem with paying for the upgrades when the time came to update and operating system. That's just me.

    • @DanielGutierrezMix
      @DanielGutierrezMix Год назад

      That was the strategy 😂😂 to made them look like they listen to the people. Waves’CTO presumably get back to perpetual (don your own research but that’s what I heard) Jajaj very old method from politics

  • @Metaldad87
    @Metaldad87 Год назад +2

    I am amazed how waves thought they could pull a stunt like that in the age of social media and content creation, and get away with it

  • @maraudermusic2714
    @maraudermusic2714 Год назад

    Always enjoy your videos! Great job! Glad they listened to the community!

  • @eddyobbish3730
    @eddyobbish3730 Год назад +2

    If they are “genuinely sorry” they should give all perpetual license holders free updates and 2nd licenses to every plugin they own for at least a year.

  • @beatbuildersstudio
    @beatbuildersstudio Год назад +3

    While it is great they changed their mind I'm still moving on from their plugins. I don't use many of them so it doesn't hurt my work flow as much as others.
    Is it a win? Maybe. It seems like a marketing ploy in hindsight. Either way Waves will get more of our money lol.

  • @satch72
    @satch72 Год назад

    I’m glad they are allowing for perpetual licensing. They should stop the upgrade program, charge more for new buyers and eat any losses.

  • @robertlathan4639
    @robertlathan4639 Год назад +1

    Glenn at specter was pointing out that waves went to rentals instead of owning the product.

  • @rexduranzelandony
    @rexduranzelandony Год назад +1

    They already removed the part about the bonus, the second license

  • @Bernz66
    @Bernz66 Год назад

    Funny how there was a Waves advert in this video…. lol

  • @MajikMuzq
    @MajikMuzq Год назад +1

    I wish someone would leak the in-fighting 😂. We won!!

  • @brucewayne251
    @brucewayne251 Год назад +2

    Was this a way for Waves to dump all of the unregistered licenses?

  • @Anders01
    @Anders01 Год назад

    I'm glad that Waves perpetual licenses will be back. I wonder what the price will be though after the introduction of subscriptions.

  • @davidspingler6337
    @davidspingler6337 Год назад +2

    it would be a good thing for them to quit the super sale price BS - do it just like their competition and give a real choice, as they should’ve done in the first place
    they played themselves with the sale prices giving people the impression that their products are lower in quality than their competition rather than on par with (true in some cases, but certainly not all)
    I no longer trust Waves as a consumer, and that’s my only takeaway from this fiasco

  • @diammondleemono8924
    @diammondleemono8924 Год назад +1

    Depends I think we can all understand new or newish plugins being like $199 or something like that, but what if they charge the same for plugins like L1 or the old CLA compressors?👀

    • @DolphinWave
      @DolphinWave Год назад +1

      Then people will go to competitors, just as they said they will do because of that subscription fiasco. Waves is not the only company that makes limiters or LA- compressors emulation plugins.

    • @diammondleemono8924
      @diammondleemono8924 Год назад +1

      @@DolphinWave Dan Korneff is already teasing a L1 clone **EL JUAN Limiter**

  • @luisbarrera5740
    @luisbarrera5740 Год назад

    You gotta review the neural amp modeler!

  • @GrumpleSenior
    @GrumpleSenior Год назад +5

    I think we’ve all just fallen for a very shrewd and cynical marketing ploy. Create outrage by claiming to do something you actually don’t intend to do. Get countless thousands of dollars worth of free advertising and have the entire internet taking about your new subscription model, come out with a “mea culpa “, reintroduce and have people embrace the WUP that they’ve always complained about.

    • @CreativeMindsAudio
      @CreativeMindsAudio Год назад

      Wouldn’t put it passed them! But also their brand is pretty tarnished rn. Not all bad press can be considered good press.

    • @petesmith6434
      @petesmith6434 Год назад +1

      The vast majority of posts on the forums today regarding Waves “sorry” statement are as negative as their “were going to screw you” statements. The vast number of users are stating that they no longer trust Waves and going to start moving to other plugins and that they will not be purchasing another WUP. So, I think their marketing ploy failed.

    • @jahana81
      @jahana81 Год назад

      Totally dude

    • @DolphinWave
      @DolphinWave Год назад +1

      I don't think that making people to hate even saying "Waves" again, leave alone promoting it to their friends; or pushing a lot of their customers to research alternative replacements from their direct competitors is a good marketing ploy.
      If it was, then their marketing department should be fired along with their executive one for ruining their name.

  • @DanielStaff_
    @DanielStaff_ Год назад +1

    Just to be clear on my part talking about the T&Cs. I was not trying to mislead anyone, but wanted to warn people since it seemed to be the case. I also got a couple people reply to me saying waves support confirmed it was correct that you would lose your licenses. Cant confirm any of it but wanted people to be aware and check for themselves before subbing and potentially losing their licenses.

  • @andyje
    @andyje Год назад +1

    I was cautious, I felt the options paralysis, now I'm annoyed. not with you or with Adam, I wanted to wait and see what the fallout was going to be, and still is going to be. In the meantime...we rock on!

  • @Johnny-Hash
    @Johnny-Hash Год назад +2

    If the $5 footlong is gone..

  • @vladv5126
    @vladv5126 Год назад

    The damage is done though, I'm still switching away from using anything from them.

  • @agentviktor3297
    @agentviktor3297 Год назад

    29.99 just came back, lol!
    Anyway, the spreadsheet is very very nicely done, congrats. It would be nice to color code the free software ;)
    Also your noise reduction\gate is kinda disturbingly hard.

    • @agentviktor3297
      @agentviktor3297 Год назад

      I also would like to add, that (in my opinion) there's absolutely nothing to think about Waves . They are not some garage devs, with zero experience, but one of the oldest plugin designers, who have actual stocks on the actual market. They pulled a disgusting trick out of nowhere and they seemingly eff'd a lot of people , because if you take a look on their own Facebook "apology" post, people went back to kicking butts on the company, like nothing happened, but remember, Waves (and very likely many people from different positions there) thought that going subscription only, - after they lied in people's face for years - IS A GOOD IDEA.

  • @gazjo85
    @gazjo85 Год назад

    thx a lot for this list ,great work

  • @Shawn_WTF_
    @Shawn_WTF_ Год назад

    Let this be an example to any corporation that assumes they can take advantage of the people that line their pockets.

  • @kadiummusic
    @kadiummusic Год назад +1

    Just a shame people didn't stand up to Avid in the same way when we got shafted over Pro Tools. 😠

  • @PooNinja
    @PooNinja Год назад

    Power to the people ✊🏽

  • @mkdawson1908
    @mkdawson1908 Год назад +1

    Yeah - no thanks - I’ll keep using the waves plugins I like and that are my go tos, but I’m out for new stuff. IK has some great stuff and others.

    • @Bernz66
      @Bernz66 Год назад

      I was looking at IK also since I do have Mixbox on my iPad…..

  • @Jakesr59
    @Jakesr59 Год назад

    Yes real pile up!!

  • @AtoragoN1
    @AtoragoN1 Год назад +1

    I would really be curious now to see who would be so dumb to believe them at this point.

  • @IntheDAW
    @IntheDAW Год назад

    Viral beats made a video on how he lost his lisicnes

  • @AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69
    @AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 Год назад +1

    Are you ok with a SUBscription plan on a car? Subscription plans for the SUB human. Aka the Simp like from the Simpsons. You know that TV show is mocking you? The average Joe or Jack?

    • @AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69
      @AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 Год назад +1

      Truth is is subscription plans for a car is already a thing and it's the future for the "You will own nothing and be happy"

    • @Bernz66
      @Bernz66 Год назад

      @@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 that’s why corporations are buying up houses…. They want you to rent instead of owning…. I despise subscription based software….. it ain’t a magazine where you get new content every month….

    • @BalashToth
      @BalashToth Год назад +1

      it's called "car loan". you don't own the car until you pay it off. :)

  • @TheMixClub
    @TheMixClub Год назад

    This video shows a user with disabled waves plugins. Its worth a look. (Waves Subscription DISABLED my Plugins! - VIRAL BEATS) Sorry you got caught up in this shit show. I hope it was ok to drop the name of the video i saw the showed this......Stay Safe

  • @tosvus
    @tosvus Год назад

    The thing about losing your licenses wasn't even that much of an issue. You could just sign up with a different email address. The lack of updates was horrible though. Glad they reversed course.

  • @JoshMobleyMusic
    @JoshMobleyMusic Год назад

    I’d pay more with ownership. They are worth the money.

    • @JoshMobleyMusic
      @JoshMobleyMusic Год назад

      @@DerSilvano I disagree but, it's a matter of taste

  • @flashbak01
    @flashbak01 Год назад

    Yeah, and now people all over the world need to use this power to bring change to these corrupt political systems! Power to the people!!!!!!! See folks, you do have the power to change things!😃

  • @victorbicudo1374
    @victorbicudo1374 Год назад

    "literally talking out of my butt" - you shure know what "literally" means

  • @Klevaer
    @Klevaer Год назад +2

    Yeah, I think I'm done with Waves at this point. Any company that can be that greedy, I don't want to deal with. Plus, I've found so many better alternatives in the last two days. RIP Bozo. ✌️

  • @kadiummusic
    @kadiummusic Год назад

    Just a shame people didn't stand up to Avid in the same way when we got shafted over Pro Tools. 😠