your Opinion matters as you use both inputs , GG 👏 as a MnK only bunny hopping gives me hard time , they jump shot without any recoil penalties ... you right , Anyone says plug-in a Roller and smash everybody is a delusional , i Try it in private with Bots .. bad experience 😆 ... tho i do think it will take way less time to train than a MnK .
While 90% of these fights can be effectively handled with a keyboard and mouse (KBM), the real issue lies in the disparity of skill required between KBM and controller players. At the high end, when comparing a top-tier KBM player to a skilled controller player, the gap isn't significant, and the skill ceiling for both input methods seems fairly close. However, when we look at mid-tier and lower-tier players, the difference becomes much more pronounced. Controller players, especially at these levels, have a clear advantage, with the input method offering more consistent aim assistance and a generally smoother experience. For KBM players, the skill required to make the same shots and execute precise movements is far more demanding, making it a tougher challenge for them in comparison. I’ve been a KBM player for a long time, and I never really cared about the controller vs. KBM debate because I could always rely on superior movement and out-maneuvering controller players. But lately, I feel like that movement gap has been closed, and it's made me reconsider things. Now, I’m starting to feel like KBM players have less to compete with. The ease of use and aim assist that controller players have in lower to mid tiers make it harder to compete, and without that clear advantage in movement, it feels like KBM has been left at a disadvantage in terms of overall effectiveness. It’s frustrating because at the high-end, sure, skill matters, but at lower levels, it feels like the controller's input system is just more forgiving, giving them a noticeable edge.
even at high level the skill is high in disparity, i was destroying a lot of irisdecents on mw3 with mnk input, all of my lobbies were highest SBMM on mw3, mw2 and mw2019, on this game it feels like in order to match 1.5kd-2kd controller players i need to be PERFECT with my reaction aim and tracking its just no fair, i get they have aim assist but STOP nerfing MY INPUT MAN
Lmao, you thinking low-mid tier kbm players are worse than controller players of the same level is crazy. I’m barely at 1.5 kd and my entire lobby is just kbm players point and clicking from across the map 💀💀 controller when you can’t play 24/7 is 100x more difficult than grabbing my kbm and playing after work
@@Vune_GG Anyone who hasn’t spent time playing on mouse and keyboard (MnK) wouldn’t fully understand. Just the other day, I played a match using a controller for the first time since BO2, and despite feeling awkward and out of practice, I still managed to drop 30 kills in TDM. While it was obvious that I wasn’t playing at my best, the aim assist helped compensate. On the other hand, there’s no way someone could switch to MnK after 12 years and immediately achieve the same result. It’s clear that using a controller is the easier input method thanks to aim assist. It’s hard to see how this is even up for debate. This is for cod at least and no-one is arguing that PC from a distance isn’t better. The point I was making was that controller players can achieve the same results with less effort.
@@Vune_GG also you and many others prove my point when you say from a distance we (MnK) destroy y’all I think the aim assist falling off from farther ranges is a big part of why it feels like this.
@@Vex762I disagree, I used to play competitive unreal tournament in 2003 on PC, after that I stopped playing right up until last year when I got a Xbox, a week ago I jumped on my buddies PC, 4th map in I was top fragging, 21 years later bro.
The aim assist is 100% consistent; it's a programmed function within the game. The human body will never be 100% consistent in any sport.Most kills would certainly be made by a mouse and keyboard player. The problem is that, due to human inconsistency, sometimes-or I would say, most of the time-we mis
I've said this for 3 years now . Put a 100 ms delay to directional change on aim assist and kbm would compete perfectly fine with controller . Aim assist isnt too sticky . Its that the thin tracking is impossible to replicate on kbm . In fact it's impossible for humans to replicate. 100 ms would mean those who are truly goaded would still respond quicker than aim assist. But it's a little quicker than 90% of humans reaction times so it would be about on par with a humans reaction time. If anything a little faster but not enough to make any discernable difference
100ms is basically instantly, no human can react that fast. fortnite has introduced "human-like AA" it has a 180ms delay and it's still insane, considering the average is 250ms. so based on that imo it should be 250ms delay, if someone can react faster, good.
@NoMisZx fair enough but you get the point . Thats what would fix aim assist . I play kbm and I can beam people at any range up to a little passed 100 yards . Controller should have aim assist and be able to hot those shots to . But when I played ranked my deaths were almost always because I missed one bullet that controller would have been able to hit . Adding that delay would fix that issue
@@H4NN4BLESL4YER imo there should be zero aim assist in competetive modes, well there shouldn't be aim assist anywhere these days but that's obviously not gonna happen. but aim assist is redundant with modern tech. in Controllers, Gyro has become so good in the past few years, that it's basically on par with a mouse. so controller player have access to the same aiming capabilities as a MnK player, that's why aim assist wouldn't be needed anymore. Raw skills for both sides, fair for everyone
What they need to do is delay the information that the aim assist receives, but allow it to predict accurately to compensate for the delay. So the aim assist is seeing the world as it was 150ms ago, but predicting how it should be "now" based on that outdated info. Then you can get decent tracking, aim assist onto stationary targets, but no inhuman reactions to changes or newly visible targets. I made a test using this type of delay->prediction model; ruclips.net/video/B_BFUD77SXo/видео.html and this is obviously exaggerated, but here it is being applied to all of the mouse movement with inaccuracies, so it will over/under predict and correct and such. But without that layer of inaccuracy, it would be very effective, just "late" to seeing changes, whilst knowing how delayed it is so that it can compensate and predict 150ms into the future to get bang on target for anything stationary or with a static move speed.
In a lot of these kills that you say MnK can do, MnK will actually miss a bullet or two due to micro tracking adjustments/recoil which are aimbot-like on controller. This causes MnK to lose a lot of "easy" fights against controller.
Perhaps. But I've known a guy who was consistent to the point you'd believe he's got soft aimbot. He could beat controller players that would demolish me in 1v1's. Crazy talent is out there
@@CODPlayer033-yt A prodigy for sure. But could a top MnK player hang in a CDL tournament that lasts for hours? MnK players use a lot more energy and brainpower and thus fatigue faster, especially with a low sens like yours. They fatigue faster and also need to be consistent 100% of the time. I don't see any MnK lasting for multiple hours in row in a CDL tournament unless you're on methamphetamine.
I agree that u can win gunfights on kbm, the thing is. Imagine that u have a controller player 1v1ning a kbm player, both have the same hours played in cod, both with no previous experience in any other games or aimtrainers. I believe that a controller player will win the 1v1 100% of the time. Now when u add previous experience and aimtraining to the mix, the story is a bit different.
I think the main thing for me, as a kb+m player with around 6k hours on csgo and probably another 1-2k hours on other fps games, is the time investment. To get to the level I am on on pc in terms of tracking, it takes me very little controller time with rotational aim assist to equal that at short to medium ranges. At long ranges I'm still shit on a controller and would take more time investment. The skill ceiling floor is much lower on pc and the skill ceiling is also higher.
Me too man, same exact issue with controller. I've played in FPL for a few years on CS, been global, level 10 faceit for a decade. On COD tracking long range with controller is impossible.
I think I could compete as an AR player, but not as a sub/obj player. And .6 aim assist isn’t much of a problem on cods that are 100 health, as it becomes more of a target acquisition and target switching based game, with some dynamic clicking if you have guns that can one shot to the head. The higher you scale the health with the aim assist staying at .6, the larger the gap between controller and mouse and keyboard becomes. Just from last cod being 150 health then switching to 100 health this cod, it almost feels easy. Now you go up to 250 health with the aim assist staying at .6, top tier MnK players can barely compete with above average controller players. Top tier controller players can’t compete with average MnK players on overwatch, which should show you that it’s simply an aim assist diff!
hard agree, MP is way easier on MnK at least for me. Im a TS main and float around Astra to Celestial on the voltaic benchmark and i can say that i have no problem at all in MP on any COD. When it comes to warzone tho, man do i feel cheated sometimes. Granted my tracking isn’t perfect, but i still consider myself having a good skill level on tracking, but close range gunfights feels extremely hard with MnK on Warzone. I honestly used to play Warzone on controller too (since i was sweating n didn’t want to lose the advantage aim assist gives), but the more i play, the more i want to use MnK to truly feel like im winning from 100% my mechanical input. This isn’t gonna change and im fully aware, but it seems like the huge majority of people doesn’t understand the intricacies of aiming using a mouse, especially once you dive into techniques n stuff
A lot of those early kills you say "KBM can do this, can do this too". Yes they can. However, what it cannot replicate is the consistency in which the aim is centered gunfight after gunfight. Takes a ton of concentration on KBM, its quite easy on controller.
Give me an exoskeleton and cyborg eyes that are perfectly in sync and a brain that can process informations faster than any living creature in this world. So i can get stomped by cdl pros.
the issue with this strong AA is obviously rotational AA with 0ms reaction time. but also how sticky it is, to the point where the average controller player has better aim than 95% of MnK players. If someone knows how to use RAA, it's pretty easy to have constantly perfect tracking and it requires much less effort and focus than on MnK / Gyro. with raw / manual aiming, you have to be a 100% focused all the time and put in hundreds of hours in aim training or playtime to get the same consistency.< this means, a top 1% MnK / Gyro player might not have much struggles to keep up with good controller players, but the average MnK / Gyro players will be at a pertty big disadvantage
They would really have to mess with Aim Assist. Someone can compete. But against these shooters (Pros), it would be damn near impossible. Locked in on LAN would be crazy hard. Pros at this point is the main reason they don't use KBM is because a controller is just the better input. If they balanced AA though. I think you would see a pretty good mix and more people be able to join the CDL.
dude keyboard and mouse input is just insanely broken on bo6, i play on mouse since mw2019 and every year they just secretly nerf it, i dont play ranked but i play against highest sbmm (3-4kd + lobbies) in public HP vs irisdecents all the time, but on bo6 i have to be insanely accurate and instant to match 1.5-2kd players on controller its insane. This is after trying to adjust with every setting possible, sen changes, relative/legacy, resolution changes, config changes, dpi changes NOTHING makes it consistent.
There's definitely nothing "wrong" if that's what you're implying by saying the setting changes. You can test this, Kovaak has a tool that does perfect 360s (if you tell it your sensitivity) when you press a button in order to check your sensitivity across different games. The input is 100% mapped accurately. It doesn't go faster one day and slower the next or anything like that, it is pixel perfect, so there is no issue with your settings making it inconsistent, it is your aim. However, I do agree that aim assist is ridiculous in comparison to KBM. So I understand experiencing the difficulty in relation to controller players, but it isn't your input at fault, it's their input with an aimbot.
The comparison of the two inputs will drive us all crazy. We all know that the roller is the better of the two. However we play on the keys for a totally seperate reason. It’s not to be the best but rather since of gratification that comes along with it. One has to admit that in every kill there is the tiniest bit of instant gratification that happens in our brain. We know we choose the hard road. We know that 99% of the lobby is on controller. So to go postive or even top chart is a good feeling knowing that you are topping people that couldn’t even play kbm if they tried. We know that we put the work in and that it’s a skill that continues to get better each and everytime we play. Controller I feel like caps out at a certain level of experience and become automatic. When I started my journey as a kbm player it was ruff, but the progression is much more than all my years playing controller. So to me that is why I choose kbm over controller oh and I think it’s much more pleasing to watch.
The difference is in most of these gunfights are yes you can hit these with MnK but - Controller you don't miss most close 1v1s (good player) - KBM you can't miss or you lose (good to insane mnk player) Its a much more stressful but rewarding experience on mnk, controller the consistency and reaction time is always there due to the crutch of AA.
Honestly, after I got angle snapping to work I am able to track better. I am having a bigger problem with the hit detection and spawns now at this point.
A bit off topic but another issue i think is theres no competitive community in cod using mnk afaik. I would love to see people streaming wagers and everyone is using mnk. I dont think we can expect to the cdl or activision to give mnk a competitive space so those interested need to do it themselves.
yeah could be cool. Personally I don't trust anyone on this game with this anti-cheat without looking at their gameplay, and even then they could be wallhacking. I'd want a better anti-cheat before creating a competitive scene
after rewatching my vods. theres a latency issue. yes I can win those gunfight. but the registration of the bullets delayed on higher ping is a real thing
Controller aim assist is broken and even more in cod. If you are a competent m&k player , you should just play other fps that respect your time, i learnt it the hard way with halo.
bro same here these people post those video about how much better on controller because of aim assist but in reality aim assist is 100% broken no matter what setting you are on either ps5 xbox or pc with controller
I used to frag hard on the old cods (cod 4 - bo2) had high spm, high kd, would play 8’s with ams and some pros, had laser aim, haven’t touched controller in about 10 years but my prime roller would beat me on kb&m rn (about top 1% mechanics) being good on controller is like having jade rank minimum on voltaic in terms of in game on cod. Ppl fry u with perfect tracking bc of AA. I have off days too. AA doesn’t have off days.
do you have any tips regarding the movement? Like I tend to run like a lot and be a rusher and i am always getting shit on by someone who is camping in an unexpected corner or if lets say I know someone is in "x position" i still cant get that guy because no idea how to win against a camper. Also how to know when to shoot or when to avoid the challenge of shooting a guy?
Bro ill be honest. I used to do well against controller players on mw3 but i just cant compete in bo6. Warzone is fine i still do very well in warzone but ive been getting slammed by controller players in multi. It's weird because it should be the opposite
If someone like Mattyow wanted to learn cod, he’d dominate Keyboard and mouse has an infinitely high skill ceiling compared to controller, and obviously mattyow pretty much has the best aim in the world, but it still proves my point
He'd get good quickly compared to MNK players, but he would never be #1 overall. No amount of skill can match perfect aim with inhuman reaction time, so he will lose fair 1v1 situations 90% of the time against high level controller players. Consider that however good he is at aiming with the mouse, there's an equivalent "high level aimer" with controller who has mastered aiming with aim assistance.
Yes aim assist looks like not much but, like you said. The longer the ttk the more tracking required. Also there is so much visual noise, you don’t even need to see your target on controller, just aim in the general direction and aim assist makes all those micro adjustments in milliseconds for you.
damn i have ps5 and xbox series x both controller doesnt work aim assist i make sure both aim assist is on and did perfect setting and tried many different way but still 0 aim assist will you help me to fix?
My aim assist doesn’t work like this at 0:40 as in MW3 it would but on this game nah. Up close it doesn’t seem to work. Most of the initial bullets were hit scan and not even on the target itself as of yet.
I don't get why not make CDL fraction for MNK ? would encourage ppl to get into it from other games and give that a shot? imagine Cs/Valorant players givin that a shot,but unrelated to that,didn't try BO6 but I m not hearing any voice chat between rounds after rounds and most of the time when I check some youtubers?
@@iiahahybilaash9434 interesting, i know the RnG thing got pretty sweaty back in the day. i lowkey miss that. especially free-aim. I hope GTA 6 has a nice aiming system and the game gets a good pvp community like that again.
@CODPlayer033-yt My point is you could be a top 250 on mnk and still not compete. I know ow you're not a random bronze too ( I was your videos). There's so much more that goes into pro play than just shooting beams
games been out for like 17 years and extremly popular on controller yall gotta give up with making aim assist ur entire personality u bout a 4k pc to complain about something that only effects 20 percent of the playerbase that doesnt actually ever do bad when they try or have good aim
imagine a game that was only for pc in the early days and was designed as a PC got shiftet to console it is such a shame what call of duty has became and the part that the whole omni movement was designed for controller its a shame just a shame COD is and will be allwayas a PC game
Controller takes next to zero skill. The aim assist is crazy. I play on mouse and keyboard to have fun and make it skillful. If I play on controller I can slay but it doesn’t feel like I’m doing the hard part.
So this is ultimately a console game with controllers. I agree that pc players should not be able to cross play because of hacks. Aim assist is not OP by any means. If anything mouse players are more responsive and have an edge. I know this generation grew up on mouse and keyboards and wants to show their countless hours of taping a button on a computer.
I always knew mnk can compete. It’s really just the fact that people still have the thoughts of dealing with aim assist when playing a game like cod. Like just get good at mnk. Anyone can get good. It’s really not hard.
@@theanimazin I feel like your missing the point I don’t think that people don’t wanna try to put in the effort to be good it’s more that I have to have 3k+ hours to be consistent while controller can be very consistent with less than double. It’s also the fact that I know I am aiming 100% myself like if they slide across into a prone or jump across it’s all 100% me doing the tracking and making sure my shots hit while the controller player is layed back feet up chilling hitting these shots. I don’t know how to fix it so I guess it just sucks for now
@Vex762 I respect your response. I was simply just acknowledging that yes it's harder to progress in some ways compared to controller. But the progress will always be up to you simply due to the fact that a keyboard is a keyboard and a mouse is a mouse. We gotta get good at 2 separate inputs while a controller is one. Plus a controller with 2 sticks that are exactly the same except for what they do makes it easier to adapt to the various movements and aiming in game. Cod is a controller game. Mnk is completely different. If you're on PC, especially a good PC, you have every advantage. Don't forget Windows allows you to use multiple input devices. That includes keyboards. I'll tell you what I've been doing. I have my main keyboard that I use with my left hand and another with all the key caps taken out except for the regular enter key and the number pad enter key for my right foot. I use the regular enter key for walk and the number pad enter key for fire mode. It's not cheating to have additional buttons from another keyboard for different in game actions to be used by different body parts. Even a mouse with side buttons is good to use in cod. Fps gaming doesn't always have to be exclusively played with your hands. Especially if you're not able to walk in cod. Walking is very important for recoil control, aiming accuracy and more importantly what you decide to do before, while and after walking. All I'm saying is both inputs are hard in their own rights. Mnk is just naturally harder especially in cod because it's just you pressing a bunch of buttons. But it can be done. Most mnk players I've seen don't ever walk. I promise you even as an average player like me, being able to walk in game much more comfortably makes your accuracy so much better.
In one clip you say it’s rotational,aim assist and then other clips when you say nothing to see here they are literally moving their left thumb stick while shooting and go off target. It’s crazy to think that controller players can’t make some precise movements in a narrow hallway like come on. Plus black ops 6 nerfed aim assist close up for controller players which kind of defeats your argument with most of these encounters. Lastly if aim assist is so crazy why would you compare it with players who have fantastic aim? If it is indeed super strong, why not watch crappy players where it be more noticeable ?
My point didn't come across properly to you. My point in this video was that most kills are not all that crazy and that keyboard & mouse can likely compete in this league, because rotational aim assist is generally not helping as much as people think. Hope that clears it up
that wasnt aim assist in the beginning where ur like oh it went up when he went up lmao and thats not true whqtso ever lol takes skills forsure to do that
It's Because I've played against an mnk player who was so much better than me, that it shattered my belief system of what is possible on kbm. Hidden talents man...
@@CODPlayer033-ytI see I see yea the highest level is just insane but from all the comp cod I’ve watched over the years sometimes shit gets so crazy I feel like mnk would just get rolled
@@Timayyapex is way way different tho the scenarios they get in and the ranges are different it can’t really be compared and they have shields different abilities etc
I will never understand the point of videos like this. Just seems like a waste of time/energy. competative call of duty has been played on controller for 17 years (I don't care if it started on mouse & keyboard). Even if someone was "good enough" on mouse & key to compete against the best CoD players in the world using controller, no CDL team on the planet is going to risk bringing in a keyboard & mouse player unless they were CONSIDERABILY better than all other controller pros which will never happen.
Take a shot everytime i say keeboardemouse
your Opinion matters as you use both inputs , GG 👏
as a MnK only bunny hopping gives me hard time , they jump shot without any recoil penalties ...
you right , Anyone says plug-in a Roller and smash everybody is a delusional , i Try it in private with Bots .. bad experience 😆 ... tho i do think it will take way less time to train than a MnK .
speaking of WZ .. that when the chit hit the fan for MnK users (or low Rollers) ☹
Make a discord for us to share kbm builds
too many shots, now I am hammered
LMFAOOO!
While 90% of these fights can be effectively handled with a keyboard and mouse (KBM), the real issue lies in the disparity of skill required between KBM and controller players. At the high end, when comparing a top-tier KBM player to a skilled controller player, the gap isn't significant, and the skill ceiling for both input methods seems fairly close. However, when we look at mid-tier and lower-tier players, the difference becomes much more pronounced. Controller players, especially at these levels, have a clear advantage, with the input method offering more consistent aim assistance and a generally smoother experience. For KBM players, the skill required to make the same shots and execute precise movements is far more demanding, making it a tougher challenge for them in comparison.
I’ve been a KBM player for a long time, and I never really cared about the controller vs. KBM debate because I could always rely on superior movement and out-maneuvering controller players. But lately, I feel like that movement gap has been closed, and it's made me reconsider things. Now, I’m starting to feel like KBM players have less to compete with. The ease of use and aim assist that controller players have in lower to mid tiers make it harder to compete, and without that clear advantage in movement, it feels like KBM has been left at a disadvantage in terms of overall effectiveness. It’s frustrating because at the high-end, sure, skill matters, but at lower levels, it feels like the controller's input system is just more forgiving, giving them a noticeable edge.
even at high level the skill is high in disparity, i was destroying a lot of irisdecents on mw3 with mnk input, all of my lobbies were highest SBMM on mw3, mw2 and mw2019, on this game it feels like in order to match 1.5kd-2kd controller players i need to be PERFECT with my reaction aim and tracking its just no fair, i get they have aim assist but STOP nerfing MY INPUT MAN
Lmao, you thinking low-mid tier kbm players are worse than controller players of the same level is crazy. I’m barely at 1.5 kd and my entire lobby is just kbm players point and clicking from across the map 💀💀 controller when you can’t play 24/7 is 100x more difficult than grabbing my kbm and playing after work
@@Vune_GG Anyone who hasn’t spent time playing on mouse and keyboard (MnK) wouldn’t fully understand. Just the other day, I played a match using a controller for the first time since BO2, and despite feeling awkward and out of practice, I still managed to drop 30 kills in TDM. While it was obvious that I wasn’t playing at my best, the aim assist helped compensate. On the other hand, there’s no way someone could switch to MnK after 12 years and immediately achieve the same result. It’s clear that using a controller is the easier input method thanks to aim assist. It’s hard to see how this is even up for debate. This is for cod at least and no-one is arguing that PC from a distance isn’t better. The point I was making was that controller players can achieve the same results with less effort.
@@Vune_GG also you and many others prove my point when you say from a distance we (MnK) destroy y’all I think the aim assist falling off from farther ranges is a big part of why it feels like this.
@@Vex762I disagree, I used to play competitive unreal tournament in 2003 on PC, after that I stopped playing right up until last year when I got a Xbox, a week ago I jumped on my buddies PC, 4th map in I was top fragging, 21 years later bro.
The aim assist is 100% consistent; it's a programmed function within the game. The human body will never be 100% consistent in any sport.Most kills would certainly be made by a mouse and keyboard player. The problem is that, due to human inconsistency, sometimes-or I would say, most of the time-we mis
Its not 100% tho it does have alot of downsides
There are definitely players who have a way higher upside compared to aim assist (specifically from longer range)
Cod is just a controller game, lol
@@thetf8142 for sure but I think kbm can compete in bo6 bc of the aim assist nerf and there's way better movement on kbm
@@clipzify9actually, movement is buffed for controller in bo6 lmao, omni directional sprint for controller players which it isn’t for pc
@@Vune_GG go look at kbm movement tech
I've said this for 3 years now . Put a 100 ms delay to directional change on aim assist and kbm would compete perfectly fine with controller . Aim assist isnt too sticky . Its that the thin tracking is impossible to replicate on kbm . In fact it's impossible for humans to replicate. 100 ms would mean those who are truly goaded would still respond quicker than aim assist. But it's a little quicker than 90% of humans reaction times so it would be about on par with a humans reaction time. If anything a little faster but not enough to make any discernable difference
100ms is basically instantly, no human can react that fast. fortnite has introduced "human-like AA" it has a 180ms delay and it's still insane, considering the average is 250ms.
so based on that imo it should be 250ms delay, if someone can react faster, good.
@NoMisZx fair enough but you get the point . Thats what would fix aim assist . I play kbm and I can beam people at any range up to a little passed 100 yards . Controller should have aim assist and be able to hot those shots to . But when I played ranked my deaths were almost always because I missed one bullet that controller would have been able to hit . Adding that delay would fix that issue
@@H4NN4BLESL4YER imo there should be zero aim assist in competetive modes, well there shouldn't be aim assist anywhere these days but that's obviously not gonna happen.
but aim assist is redundant with modern tech. in Controllers, Gyro has become so good in the past few years, that it's basically on par with a mouse. so controller player have access to the same aiming capabilities as a MnK player, that's why aim assist wouldn't be needed anymore.
Raw skills for both sides, fair for everyone
What they need to do is delay the information that the aim assist receives, but allow it to predict accurately to compensate for the delay. So the aim assist is seeing the world as it was 150ms ago, but predicting how it should be "now" based on that outdated info. Then you can get decent tracking, aim assist onto stationary targets, but no inhuman reactions to changes or newly visible targets.
I made a test using this type of delay->prediction model; ruclips.net/video/B_BFUD77SXo/видео.html and this is obviously exaggerated, but here it is being applied to all of the mouse movement with inaccuracies, so it will over/under predict and correct and such. But without that layer of inaccuracy, it would be very effective, just "late" to seeing changes, whilst knowing how delayed it is so that it can compensate and predict 150ms into the future to get bang on target for anything stationary or with a static move speed.
I love this solution. Can we shed some more light on this idea so the devs make the change
In a lot of these kills that you say MnK can do, MnK will actually miss a bullet or two due to micro tracking adjustments/recoil which are aimbot-like on controller. This causes MnK to lose a lot of "easy" fights against controller.
Perhaps. But I've known a guy who was consistent to the point you'd believe he's got soft aimbot. He could beat controller players that would demolish me in 1v1's. Crazy talent is out there
@@CODPlayer033-yt A prodigy for sure. But could a top MnK player hang in a CDL tournament that lasts for hours? MnK players use a lot more energy and brainpower and thus fatigue faster, especially with a low sens like yours. They fatigue faster and also need to be consistent 100% of the time. I don't see any MnK lasting for multiple hours in row in a CDL tournament unless you're on methamphetamine.
@@ReaperX77 yeah that's a good point.
I agree that u can win gunfights on kbm, the thing is. Imagine that u have a controller player 1v1ning a kbm player, both have the same hours played in cod, both with no previous experience in any other games or aimtrainers. I believe that a controller player will win the 1v1 100% of the time.
Now when u add previous experience and aimtraining to the mix, the story is a bit different.
watching this while I eat lunch
I think the main thing for me, as a kb+m player with around 6k hours on csgo and probably another 1-2k hours on other fps games, is the time investment. To get to the level I am on on pc in terms of tracking, it takes me very little controller time with rotational aim assist to equal that at short to medium ranges. At long ranges I'm still shit on a controller and would take more time investment. The skill ceiling floor is much lower on pc and the skill ceiling is also higher.
Me too man, same exact issue with controller. I've played in FPL for a few years on CS, been global, level 10 faceit for a decade. On COD tracking long range with controller is impossible.
I think I could compete as an AR player, but not as a sub/obj player.
And .6 aim assist isn’t much of a problem on cods that are 100 health, as it becomes more of a target acquisition and target switching based game, with some dynamic clicking if you have guns that can one shot to the head.
The higher you scale the health with the aim assist staying at .6, the larger the gap between controller and mouse and keyboard becomes. Just from last cod being 150 health then switching to 100 health this cod, it almost feels easy. Now you go up to 250 health with the aim assist staying at .6, top tier MnK players can barely compete with above average controller players.
Top tier controller players can’t compete with average MnK players on overwatch, which should show you that it’s simply an aim assist diff!
hard agree, MP is way easier on MnK at least for me. Im a TS main and float around Astra to Celestial on the voltaic benchmark and i can say that i have no problem at all in MP on any COD. When it comes to warzone tho, man do i feel cheated sometimes. Granted my tracking isn’t perfect, but i still consider myself having a good skill level on tracking, but close range gunfights feels extremely hard with MnK on Warzone. I honestly used to play Warzone on controller too (since i was sweating n didn’t want to lose the advantage aim assist gives), but the more i play, the more i want to use MnK to truly feel like im winning from 100% my mechanical input.
This isn’t gonna change and im fully aware, but it seems like the huge majority of people doesn’t understand the intricacies of aiming using a mouse, especially once you dive into techniques n stuff
Symfuhny has switched to controller on this cod xdd
There should be a warning on the emblems of people playing with controllers that says "A marksman is a player who cannot aim by himself in a game" :)
A lot of those early kills you say "KBM can do this, can do this too". Yes they can. However, what it cannot replicate is the consistency in which the aim is centered gunfight after gunfight. Takes a ton of concentration on KBM, its quite easy on controller.
Give me an exoskeleton and cyborg eyes that are perfectly in sync and a brain that can process informations faster than any living creature in this world. So i can get stomped by cdl pros.
Loving these reaction type content with kbm focused stuff
the issue with this strong AA is obviously rotational AA with 0ms reaction time. but also how sticky it is, to the point where the average controller player has better aim than 95% of MnK players.
If someone knows how to use RAA, it's pretty easy to have constantly perfect tracking and it requires much less effort and focus than on MnK / Gyro.
with raw / manual aiming, you have to be a 100% focused all the time and put in hundreds of hours in aim training or playtime to get the same consistency.<
this means, a top 1% MnK / Gyro player might not have much struggles to keep up with good controller players, but the average MnK / Gyro players will be at a pertty big disadvantage
They would really have to mess with Aim Assist. Someone can compete. But against these shooters (Pros), it would be damn near impossible. Locked in on LAN would be crazy hard.
Pros at this point is the main reason they don't use KBM is because a controller is just the better input.
If they balanced AA though. I think you would see a pretty good mix and more people be able to join the CDL.
dude keyboard and mouse input is just insanely broken on bo6, i play on mouse since mw2019 and every year they just secretly nerf it, i dont play ranked but i play against highest sbmm (3-4kd + lobbies) in public HP vs irisdecents all the time, but on bo6 i have to be insanely accurate and instant to match 1.5-2kd players on controller its insane. This is after trying to adjust with every setting possible, sen changes, relative/legacy, resolution changes, config changes, dpi changes NOTHING makes it consistent.
That's odd
There's definitely nothing "wrong" if that's what you're implying by saying the setting changes. You can test this, Kovaak has a tool that does perfect 360s (if you tell it your sensitivity) when you press a button in order to check your sensitivity across different games. The input is 100% mapped accurately. It doesn't go faster one day and slower the next or anything like that, it is pixel perfect, so there is no issue with your settings making it inconsistent, it is your aim.
However, I do agree that aim assist is ridiculous in comparison to KBM. So I understand experiencing the difficulty in relation to controller players, but it isn't your input at fault, it's their input with an aimbot.
The comparison of the two inputs will drive us all crazy. We all know that the roller is the better of the two. However we play on the keys for a totally seperate reason. It’s not to be the best but rather since of gratification that comes along with it. One has to admit that in every kill there is the tiniest bit of instant gratification that happens in our brain. We know we choose the hard road. We know that 99% of the lobby is on controller. So to go postive or even top chart is a good feeling knowing that you are topping people that couldn’t even play kbm if they tried. We know that we put the work in and that it’s a skill that continues to get better each and everytime we play. Controller I feel like caps out at a certain level of experience and become automatic. When I started my journey as a kbm player it was ruff, but the progression is much more than all my years playing controller. So to me that is why I choose kbm over controller oh and I think it’s much more pleasing to watch.
Very true it's nice to know we did everything ourselves
The difference is in most of these gunfights are yes you can hit these with MnK but
- Controller you don't miss most close 1v1s (good player)
- KBM you can't miss or you lose (good to insane mnk player)
Its a much more stressful but rewarding experience on mnk, controller the consistency and reaction time is always there due to the crutch of AA.
Honestly, after I got angle snapping to work I am able to track better. I am having a bigger problem with the hit detection and spawns now at this point.
angle snapping on mnk? interesting
A bit off topic but another issue i think is theres no competitive community in cod using mnk afaik. I would love to see people streaming wagers and everyone is using mnk. I dont think we can expect to the cdl or activision to give mnk a competitive space so those interested need to do it themselves.
yeah could be cool. Personally I don't trust anyone on this game with this anti-cheat without looking at their gameplay, and even then they could be wallhacking. I'd want a better anti-cheat before creating a competitive scene
after rewatching my vods. theres a latency issue. yes I can win those gunfight. but the registration of the bullets delayed on higher ping is a real thing
Controller aim assist is broken and even more in cod. If you are a competent m&k player , you should just play other fps that respect your time, i learnt it the hard way with halo.
bro same here these people post those video about how much better on controller because of aim assist but in reality aim assist is 100% broken no matter what setting you are on either ps5 xbox or pc with controller
MnK is actually viable in comp MP because it is all about info and positioning
interesting take
I used to frag hard on the old cods (cod 4 - bo2) had high spm, high kd, would play 8’s with ams and some pros, had laser aim, haven’t touched controller in about 10 years but my prime roller would beat me on kb&m rn (about top 1% mechanics) being good on controller is like having jade rank minimum on voltaic in terms of in game on cod. Ppl fry u with perfect tracking bc of AA. I have off days too. AA doesn’t have off days.
A iitztimmy reaction video breakdown would be nice, he has been playing in some scrims
do you have any tips regarding the movement? Like I tend to run like a lot and be a rusher and i am always getting shit on by someone who is camping in an unexpected corner or if lets say I know someone is in "x position" i still cant get that guy because no idea how to win against a camper.
Also how to know when to shoot or when to avoid the challenge of shooting a guy?
if i can remember i'll try to make a vid about it. probably will forget though lol
Id pay money to allow kbm in cdl. We need it
would be cool indeed
Bro ill be honest. I used to do well against controller players on mw3 but i just cant compete in bo6. Warzone is fine i still do very well in warzone but ive been getting slammed by controller players in multi. It's weird because it should be the opposite
the thing it takes skill on controller, but its brutally lower comparing to the amount of skill on mnk you need to play the same way a controller does
Good point
very saddening to find out kbm isn't allowed. i'd smoke these guys with my 10k hours on kbm. they need to get off of these joysticks man
If someone like Mattyow wanted to learn cod, he’d dominate
Keyboard and mouse has an infinitely high skill ceiling compared to controller, and obviously mattyow pretty much has the best aim in the world, but it still proves my point
He's the best at aim trainers, that I would agree with
He'd get good quickly compared to MNK players, but he would never be #1 overall. No amount of skill can match perfect aim with inhuman reaction time, so he will lose fair 1v1 situations 90% of the time against high level controller players. Consider that however good he is at aiming with the mouse, there's an equivalent "high level aimer" with controller who has mastered aiming with aim assistance.
Let’s start a movement, allow mnk in the cdl. No reason not to
IMO K&M doesnt need to be in comp (tradition should stand in standard comp) its top tier gameplay either way
true i respect the pro's
Yes aim assist looks like not much but, like you said. The longer the ttk the more tracking required.
Also there is so much visual noise, you don’t even need to see your target on controller, just aim in the general direction and aim assist makes all those micro adjustments in milliseconds for you.
Flinch isn’t a thing on controller … however on MnK it’s crazy !
i get your point but having played controller myself it certainly is there haha
hello good friend I have a sense problem, can you share your sens with us?
3 sens 1600 dpi 0 coefficient
@@CODPlayer033-ytyou went up from 2.5 ? interesting.
damn i have ps5 and xbox series x both controller doesnt work aim assist i make sure both aim assist is on and did perfect setting and tried many different way but still 0 aim assist will you help me to fix?
My aim assist doesn’t work like this at 0:40 as in MW3 it would but on this game nah. Up close it doesn’t seem to work. Most of the initial bullets were hit scan and not even on the target itself as of yet.
well he was moving his stick to the right so he was aiming in that sense. but the upward motion was the rotational aim assist.
I don't get why not make CDL fraction for MNK ? would encourage ppl to get into it from other games and give that a shot? imagine Cs/Valorant players givin that a shot,but unrelated to that,didn't try BO6 but I m not hearing any voice chat between rounds after rounds and most of the time when I check some youtubers?
I agree that'd be cool to have mixed inputs. Idk about voice chat because I keep everyone muted to avoid demonetization when livestreaming.
Yea aim assist been a problem since I play GTA 5 competitively online they had free aim lobbies, but yea ppl don’t realize now much free aim helps.
GTA compétitively online ?
@ Back in 2014 yes
@@iiahahybilaash9434 interesting, i know the RnG thing got pretty sweaty back in the day. i lowkey miss that. especially free-aim. I hope GTA 6 has a nice aiming system and the game gets a good pvp community like that again.
i have few friends also said controller aim assist is completely broken so non of these matter
Campairing skill from a ranked player to a pro is wild 😅
There is no pro league for mnk so how is it wild? I simply tried to give my credentials so that you know I'm not a random bronze player
@CODPlayer033-yt My point is you could be a top 250 on mnk and still not compete. I know ow you're not a random bronze too ( I was your videos). There's so much more that goes into pro play than just shooting beams
@@beenoanb2117 Yeah that's true I agree with you. I was only looking at the aim aspect
@@CODPlayer033-yt Ah I get you bro
Are you the guy who exposed Convolk JT a while back?
Ye good old days
Gaslighting videos are Bae.
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games been out for like 17 years and extremly popular on controller yall gotta give up with making aim assist ur entire personality u bout a 4k pc to complain about something that only effects 20 percent of the playerbase that doesnt actually ever do bad when they try or have good aim
true ppl complain too much just switch to controller at the point of making complaining about aa ur personality. good point
CDL allows aim assist and ninja but ban smoke grenades and snipers
yeah idk man
imagine a game that was only for pc in the early days and was designed as a PC got shiftet to console
it is such a shame what call of duty has became
and the part that the whole omni movement was designed for controller
its a shame just a shame
COD is and will be allwayas a PC game
ye unfortunately many kbm players are forced to play with controller. Black Ops 3 on pc already had some strong aim assist on PC which is interesting
19.23 of pure yapping
yes that's the point of the vid, giving my thoughts on the topic
Controller takes next to zero skill. The aim assist is crazy. I play on mouse and keyboard to have fun and make it skillful. If I play on controller I can slay but it doesn’t feel like I’m doing the hard part.
So this is ultimately a console game with controllers. I agree that pc players should not be able to cross play because of hacks. Aim assist is not OP by any means. If anything mouse players are more responsive and have an edge. I know this generation grew up on mouse and keyboards and wants to show their countless hours of taping a button on a computer.
thanks for sharing your thoughts
I always knew mnk can compete. It’s really just the fact that people still have the thoughts of dealing with aim assist when playing a game like cod. Like just get good at mnk. Anyone can get good. It’s really not hard.
@@theanimazin I feel like your missing the point I don’t think that people don’t wanna try to put in the effort to be good it’s more that I have to have 3k+ hours to be consistent while controller can be very consistent with less than double. It’s also the fact that I know I am aiming 100% myself like if they slide across into a prone or jump across it’s all 100% me doing the tracking and making sure my shots hit while the controller player is layed back feet up chilling hitting these shots. I don’t know how to fix it so I guess it just sucks for now
@Vex762 I respect your response. I was simply just acknowledging that yes it's harder to progress in some ways compared to controller. But the progress will always be up to you simply due to the fact that a keyboard is a keyboard and a mouse is a mouse. We gotta get good at 2 separate inputs while a controller is one. Plus a controller with 2 sticks that are exactly the same except for what they do makes it easier to adapt to the various movements and aiming in game. Cod is a controller game.
Mnk is completely different. If you're on PC, especially a good PC, you have every advantage. Don't forget Windows allows you to use multiple input devices. That includes keyboards. I'll tell you what I've been doing. I have my main keyboard that I use with my left hand and another with all the key caps taken out except for the regular enter key and the number pad enter key for my right foot. I use the regular enter key for walk and the number pad enter key for fire mode.
It's not cheating to have additional buttons from another keyboard for different in game actions to be used by different body parts. Even a mouse with side buttons is good to use in cod. Fps gaming doesn't always have to be exclusively played with your hands. Especially if you're not able to walk in cod. Walking is very important for recoil control, aiming accuracy and more importantly what you decide to do before, while and after walking.
All I'm saying is both inputs are hard in their own rights. Mnk is just naturally harder especially in cod because it's just you pressing a bunch of buttons. But it can be done. Most mnk players I've seen don't ever walk. I promise you even as an average player like me, being able to walk in game much more comfortably makes your accuracy so much better.
Been saying this for years
Im sorry but
Controller + aim assist on = no skill
Great video though as always 🫡
trust me aim assist is broken on controller with either ps5 or xbox
In one clip you say it’s rotational,aim assist and then other clips when you say nothing to see here they are literally moving their left thumb stick while shooting and go off target. It’s crazy to think that controller players can’t make some precise movements in a narrow hallway like come on. Plus black ops 6 nerfed aim assist close up for controller players which kind of defeats your argument with most of these encounters. Lastly if aim assist is so crazy why would you compare it with players who have fantastic aim? If it is indeed super strong, why not watch crappy players where it be more noticeable ?
My point didn't come across properly to you. My point in this video was that most kills are not all that crazy and that keyboard & mouse can likely compete in this league, because rotational aim assist is generally not helping as much as people think. Hope that clears it up
react to the new strahfe warzone vid
nah i can just react to my own gameplay then cause i play keyboard on cod at a high level myself
that wasnt aim assist in the beginning where ur like oh it went up when he went up lmao and thats not true whqtso ever lol takes skills forsure to do that
Didn't know humans can react to the upward motion of jumping in 0ms
im shocked you think mnk can compete especially since from your videos it sounds like you watch cdl lol thats insane
A few can, would be like apex, mostly controllers with a few gifted mnk players
It's Because I've played against an mnk player who was so much better than me, that it shattered my belief system of what is possible on kbm. Hidden talents man...
@@CODPlayer033-ytI see I see yea the highest level is just insane but from all the comp cod I’ve watched over the years sometimes shit gets so crazy I feel like mnk would just get rolled
@@Timayyapex is way way different tho the scenarios they get in and the ranges are different it can’t really be compared and they have shields different abilities etc
I will never understand the point of videos like this. Just seems like a waste of time/energy. competative call of duty has been played on controller for 17 years (I don't care if it started on mouse & keyboard). Even if someone was "good enough" on mouse & key to compete against the best CoD players in the world using controller, no CDL team on the planet is going to risk bringing in a keyboard & mouse player unless they were CONSIDERABILY better than all other controller pros which will never happen.
The point of the video is that I find it interesting and therefore I know others are too