ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS: - Number one, I regret that I was unable to deliver this video in 4K. But after over half a dozen attempts at uploading, this is the only cut that has (SO FAR) remained free of copyright claims. - Number two, unfortunately the extended cut is NOT available for members as it was blocked worldwide due to, again, copyright claims. The Patreon version is up however, and you can access that at the link in the description. - Number three, I apologize for the inconsistent audio throughout the video. During filming of my commentary for seasons 1 & 2, we had an issue with my lav mic, so I had to switch to backup audio - Number four, Fred Tatasciore who voices Shaxs also voiced Saren in Mass Effect. Can't believe I forgot that! Finally, here's the link to Kinzie's video again: ruclips.net/video/N51REdxIRlU/видео.html
i cant say i saw this video coming from you , i know you had a cursory interest in it but i was unaware that you were watching it. I appreciate the coverage as its on its way out , not to stave off a season end but to spread the word at how capable it is.
The copyright dragons are always circling, you see? They have great vision during the day, and even better vision at night. But in the failing light, just before nightfall, they can't focus. Magic hour.
I realized early on that they were going for 'fun' first and 'funny' was secondary, that perspective helped make Lower Decks my favorite of the newer shows.
True. I love lower desks, but I wouldn't call it funny. More of like a "How would normal, modern human beings react to all this weird shit?". I think it's super fun.
Tindi Obsessive jokes to one side? Good video. My thoughts on the Pakled in Lower Decks. We have actually seen Pakled on DS9 in the background. So they clearly are able to trade and do honest business. What we see are largely those elements that have been scrapping and junking dominion war era salvage and have been emboldened. Those that are on Pakled Planet and their yearly revolution and general 'dopey' personalities contrasting with otherwise very sturdy and substantive construction based on the buildings and architecture we see? I view it as an alien mindset. they have a biological want for immediacy. Likely due to pre historic possibly even as far back as paliolithic era shortages and enviromental factors that led to those that sought immediate gains as being able to survive long enough. This tracks with how robust their physiology is (assuming short term vacuum survival wasn't a joke.... that they didn't have to immediate get medical attention was jawdroppingly ... wow.) Mentally i'd put them as... Smart, but their values structure is different than us. They probably are the relative late bloomers of the region and saw that everyone around them already HAD things. Probably were treated as simpletons given their mindset and general way of things. Likely a very initially trusting society and people since subterfuge just takes up too much time and effort. They arne't stupid. Far from it. You don't figure out how to get breen federation cardassian klingon and Q alone knows what other systems talking to eachother by being Stupid. Plus as the tamranians have shown the universal translator isn't perfect and Pakled syntax seems to have too many words that are all encompassing. Or they've literally used 'Picard' as their word for 'starfleet captain'. Plus given how many wonder solutions the federation will pull out of fat air on a dime can you fault any of them for just going wit hthe idea the federation isn't bullshitting them?
Are we all gonna petition Paramount or what? This show has “heart”, which is different than “emotion” shown in Disco. Also, I love Tendi too. She’s like the epitome of Trek. Fight me… and I’ll just stun you and win you over with my enthusiasm after you’ve recovered.
thank you for not scheduling this for days in advance so i don't have a premiere i can't even watch in my sub feed for days and then when it actually goes live i don't see it because it's too far down the feed.
@@OrangeRiver All I think about when it comes to these altruistic future concepts is how white men misjudged how the future will be. I think Joss Whedon got it right, or is the closest. In the far future in space, EVERYONE will be speaking Chinese Mandarin. You're already seeing the shift in dynamic with Eastern global influence. The West is in decline, they are losing power and influence and ultimately the winner will be China because of their business sense and not having blown up bridges with other countries and communities.
Criminal they cancelled it, especially since it's way cheaper to make than your Discos etc, but we can't have it being firmly based on optimistic golden era trek and putting most of NuTrek to shame now can we? :) All those who've been convinced into not watching it by a single trailer, and by popular RUclipsrs vociferously trashing it based entirely on said trailer, might bear some blame and don't know what they're missing out on, but perhaps the fanbase of 'true' trekkies is also too small to sustain the viewing figures necessary for modern shows.
Humour has always been part of stat trek, and lower decks was clearly written by people who love science fiction in general and Star Trek in general. Maybe you should have a quick look on e bay and see if you can buy yourself a sense of humour
@@swfcocs1 Some bits of Lower Decks really made me laugh. Some bits of Lower Decks made me think "God! What a predictable bunch of "nerd" gags." No one's obliged to find anything funny, laughter is not mandatory. Perhaps your defensive response shows that YOU are the one in need of a sense of humour. Something to think about, huh? Have a nice day.
I really love this show. It has grown on me so much. I am super disappointed to hear that it will be ending after the next season. Could have easily done 10 imo.
I really do think Rutherford and Tendi are asexual, but they're also romantic and not aromantic. However they're both so awkward that they don't know how to express this. Fortunately both seem to have wound up with an ideal partner.
@@thedakotalogsfrom what, and to become what? Also, there's no evidence for Matt Smith coming back, and even if he did, he'd be written by RTD and if you're not liking the latest series then I doubt Matt Smith returning would resolve that.
@@thedakotalogs all I can see is a April fools day prank article. And to clarify my question, you said he was back to save Doctor Who. So I am asking what he is supposedly saving Doctor Who from, and what you think Doctor Who would become if he did.
I was born in 1967, so if I ever saw the first airings of the original series, I can't say but I did grow up watching TOS and the animated series followed by the movies and all of the newer Star Trek TV shows over the years. THAT SAID, Lower Decks is my favorite of them all. Feel free to disagree with me but Lower Decks reminds us in every episode whet we love most about the entire spectrum of Star Trek.
I liked the idea of Badgy in that there have been a number of holodeck programs that have gone rouge or gibe beyond their programming. Might not have been the best way they could have done it, but he grew on me over time.
They took a joke about Clippy and turned it into a character that sadly lasted more than one episode. That's not ground breaking or genius... it's lazy and low brow. Contrary to some sayings, farts are NOT always funny. Sometimes it's better to just leave the dead horse alone.
I initially avoided STLD, but when I heard about the crossover, I thought I should watch it. I’m so glad I did. Now, I want more live action with the Lower Decks five.
funny...I did the same, but mostly because I'm not a "cartoon" person. but after being pleasantly surprised by the crossover episode, I thought I'd give it a shot and it's def up there as one of my fave ST series now.
you dont even know whats in her pants. what if she drops em and a gross tentacle thing pops out. ever been to a gwar show? aliens have weird junk. what if her lady juice is acid?
Right after you said "let's go get some pizza", it cut to a pizza commercial. The word "pizza" was immediately followed by the word "pizza". RUclips is gaining...something.
Lower Decks sold me in one and a quarter episodes. First episode: Alright, this is pretty funny. I like the characters. Second episode: Omg, I'm Boimler...
I really love that show, am not a huge fan of new Trek and this was the first thing I watched of it and it become an insta watch when a new episode came out, got me to watch Star Trek New Worlds which I find pretty good too.
I am sad its ending before all the characters get to the end of their arcs. I thought it would be the one new trek show to go past 5 seasons. I really wanted to see these characters grow from nobodies to the finest command crew in the fleet....
This show has done more to legitimize the animated series than I ever thought was possible. The cross references in general felt more like taking proper advantage of the rich history of the franchise, rather than just token nostalgia.
the thing about modern trek is that the animated shows are good, and the live action shows are bad to meh. even the kids show has enough memberberries to please old fans while entertaining their loinspawn.
"Also, don't date Barnes" 29:50 I listened to this about 40 times until I had a headache trying to figure out what was said here. I just kept hearing it as "ah so, doe ding burns."
I'm with you that hte Mariner and Ma'ha therapy session is one of the lower decks series high points. Let dude show up as a provisional on the ceritos. Him and Shax would get along great.
I think Lower Decks is the only new Star Trek show that actually feels like Star Trek. I would put it in 4th place too, behind DS9, TNG, and TOS. It is a shame it is getting canceled. I hope another streaming service picks it up.
Decades? Star Trek: Destiny was only 15 years ago! :3 Edit: Just finished the video, and this was such a great presentation of and commentary on Lower Decks and its place in the broader franchise. I absolutely agree with you about it providing some much-needed commentary on Starfleet, and I love how deep the characters ended up. Thanks for a great piece!
I just started watching this show recently and I have to admit that I'm really pleasantly surprised just how good it actually is. Animation and Voice Acting are both really solid, and episodes have been way better written than I expected. It's got a twinge of that Millennial quippy-ness that you see in a lot of adult cartoons, but it's still really solid. I was worried it was going to be a "he's....right behind me, isn't he?" type show and never actually gave it a chance
I agree about looking forward to next season! Bums me out that we’re only getting one more. I was hoping they’d get back to the tng era of giving us at least 7 seasons.
As a nearly life long trekkie/trekker/whatever... I like to state that Lower Decks is so awesome. And the writers and cast nailed it from the start. Such a good show. 🤩
I was initially dead set against Lower Decks, when it was first announced. I just though it was another new Trek nonsense, and the way the concept was pitched to me put me off. All that has changed now having watched it. It's great. Obviously it's not TNG, but it's not trying to be. It's a bit of fun, and the people making it clearly love the source material and understand it. Something that can't be said about the producers of most of the new Trek stuff. Yeah it's easter-eggy, but in the context of this show I'm ok with that Looking forward to season 5, sad it's the last one
Badge isn’t my favorite (though jack mcbrayer sells it) but I think the only outright miss is peanut hamper, made all the worse by giving her way more air time than she deserved.
I tried watching it, but it's more of that Rick and Morty talking over top of each other annoying kind of humour that I just can't get into. I'm happy some people like it it's just not ever going to be for me
I can't even begin to explain how much it pisses me off and ultimately disappoints me that they cancelled the show following the fifth season. It was just starting to hit a stride.
I really don't get the appeal, I finally bit the bullet and watch the first two episodes and it's nothing but your typical tropes, you have your female lead who is perfect in every way and completely unrelatable, your male back up who is terrible in every way and completely unrelatable, the jokes don't go much further then saying something rude, being rude or being dumb, and every twist is a gotcha kind of twist not a smart one, frankly it's just childish.
Oh my funny God. Or I just pissed my pants. You are awesome. Star trek 2 me was always G Roddenberry's future. It's not our future but maybe our great great great great grandchildren x. Bbttww I 💕 peanut hamper
the best compliment that this show could've gotten is my friend, that hates cartoons, not really into star trek (so doesn't know all the references) LOVES this show. i think that says enough.
As a kid I was a sci-fi junkie and a Star Trek TOS fan, but one of my favorite comedy routines in high school was "Star Trip," an audio theater routine by the Congress of Wonders. An mp3 version of the original vinyl LP is available online.
Is Star Trek "kid friendly"? TOS was, and if NG, DS9 and Voy had things that maybe parents wanted to be on hand for with little kids, it wasn't anything that you wouldn't be comfortable with you teenager watching. That you feel the need to run a disclaimer on the content of this show... Nope, not the best Trek in decades.
Its a fun show with just a rough first season like most shows tbh. Its fun if you engage it with the idea thats its silly and made for fun over the story and themes. But its enjoyable I liked it atleast better than discovery pretty good branch out for startrek wish more series had some fun little side stuff like this. Just dont take it seriously if you enjoy startrek and push through that first season and its good and enjoyable a fun watch.
I’ve seen the show. I don’t like it. Watched way more of it than I normally give something a chance to reel me in. Just don’t like it. Just a bunch of silly jokes and stupid Easter eggs.
Like I said in the video, I think watching it through the lens of season 4, so to speak, gave me much more of an appreciation. I do commend you for actually giving it a shot though. That's more than so many others did
Suggestion: you may not want to start with Second Contact. Mariner's (and to a lesser extent, Boimler's) characterisation has not gelled yet, and the humour is fairly mean spirited. Anecdotally, many people have said they were put off the show because of it. I persisted, and I'm glad I did, but I can see how many people bounced off it.
@@spicyf Crisis Point, probably. Shows Mariner in a more fun light, also helps give her actions and feelings more weight, plus the interactions throughout are great. That said, once you've got a feel for the series and if you like the characters, then I would suggest to go back to the beginning. There's definitely some ok episodes in S1, but like most first seasons of trek it's spotty.
I like your suggestion of rewatching the early seasons thru the lens of S4. I should add that I’m glad I started this video over - I initially started watching when it premiered & had no idea what you were doing with the looped Kamala Harris clip. Starting over let me see the opening bit of “real talk” about you going very far with memes & such. Tendi is my favorite character too, but more because she’s a big cinnamon roll of a character. I think that’s why the episode where she turns into a scorpion is one of my favorites.
Yeah I normally don't do premieres for a lot of reasons--glad you enjoyed the video! Rewatching through the lens of season 4 has indeed given me a newfound appreciation for the series
I absolutely agree no hang ups politics with a female lead and diverse supporting cast it works because there is no hidden agenda and it's just brilliant writing.
If you want proof that Lower Decks is a good show and is worthy of as much respect as any other Star Trek show then i am just going to say that it was Lower Decks that made me a Star Trek fan. Before this show, all i had watch of Star Trek were the 3 movies that came out since 2009, the "reboot" of the original show. I also knew star trek by name and the reputation/influence it had on social culture. But it never accured to me to actually watch any of the shows or movies. Then, being a huge fan of animation, i heard of Lower deck and gave it a try... and i love it ! Not love LOVE it, but i had a very good time and was waiting eagerly for the next season. But then i realize the show was obviously making references that i wasn t able to understand, so i decided to watch other star trek shows. And by now, 2 years after i started getting interested into the univers, i have watch 3 season of discovery (i stopped because i didn't like it after a while...), Strange new world, TNG the show and the movie, half of DS9 (currently watching the rest) and Prodigy. And you knoiw what ? I love it ! I particulary enjoy how some of the episodes of TNG and DS9 are still so incredebly relevant more than 20 years later ! To summarize, i have become a Star Trek fan, not just of one show or movie but of the whole univers and it all started with Lower Decks and its pure communicative energy.
The voice acting is so annoying and loud. I love all the lore and ACTUALLY good TREK elements! Just wish they would stop trying to be Rick and morty. It doesn’t have to be 10 laughs a minute or whatever they think they have to do.
I've said it once, I'll say it again. Lower Decks is the second best series of Star Trek, second only to DS9. And I came to this conclusion after its first season, it had that special feeling to it. I'm glad that it hasn't at all deteriorated in quality since then. And I'm honestly still pretty bummed that Season 5 is going to be its last.
Tuvix is an ideal example of the “Needs of the many..” axiom. As a Captain you always make the sacrifice for the biggest gain of the crew under your command. No debate. Also Vulcans are the ultimate sci-fi “straight man” race. Also: Tendi trans? No. Being trans, or any other LGBTQ+ identity, is a thing. We get it. But some people cannot divorce their own inner views and identity from that of EVERYONE else portrayed in every media today. It’s really analogous to the Christian tenet that that position of faith should apply to everyone and if you deny it, you’re wrong. I identify as a Christian, but my belief is that every religion comes from the same belief in its creation. Different settings, different names, and differing personifications of the various elements of Creation and the universe, but all coming from the same human search for that one basic truth, those universal questions: where do I come from? Is this all that I am? Is there nothing more? What’s the next phase? In my head,it’s DC vs Marvel vs whatever other universe you choose to follow. Thank you, I’ll see myself to my own handbasket now. You’ll find me right behind the guy that shot the Pope.
I've been a huge Star Trek fan ever since my Uncle showed me reruns of TOS when I was 6 years old. I love all Trek, except this show. I can even find some good in Voyager and Enterprise which are both considered weak shows. Lower Decks though, I just can't do it. It's just Rick and Morty on a space ship to me and I'm all set with that. It's just personal opinion, nothing to get upset about. We all like and dislike different things. I just happen to dislike Lower Decks.
real StarTrek fans are the ones who hate StarTrek and who complain about how StarTrek, being a sci-fi show set in the StarTrek universe, is highly derivative and unoriginal (people with clothes on? THATS A RIP OFF OF STARWARS!)
54:50 -- An interesting proposal... I vaguely remember seeing the Ferenginar episodes of DSP and wondering if they're go into their world's societal mechanics better. Given how pro-capitalist they were, one would expect some manner of societal equilibrium with the manufacturers and other people who are actually responsible for development and construction of merchandise to sell, yet they're reportedly kept on a lower, way lower caste than the business executive types.
I love the show. I think it's hilarious. Steve Shives says it's not funny but I don't know how he says that. The humor is very insider. It's probably not going to be all that funny if you don't know the 90s shows pretty well. But Steve does so I don't know how he doesn't get it. They have to come to grips with the multitude of alien ethical standards. I love how they make fun of the officer's penchant for poetry readings and one act plays.
I worked out quickly that Shives has opinions that disagree with me own on basically every element of Trek. Now, I'm not saying that mine are correct and his are wrong and I am right and his opinions are terrible ... I'm not saying that ...
I'm going to give this a listen because I started Lower Decks and found it intolerable. It had that snarky sarcastic millennial-speak, which is narcissistic and insufferable. I did not get a ST feel from it - nor from anything post DS9 - but as I said, I'll give this a lesson.
I like this show shame its being cancelled it has good humour and like the throw back from the original and tng shows. Animation isn't all that good i would like to see a more CGI type like the resident evil CGI movies done it or even a live action comedy film with the same actors who plays the characters if there young enough and can act
Dude, you had to throw in that woke trash crap. Again. Wth? Kidding. As someone who is hyper aware to the point of it being annoying to myself about _woke_ shit as I'm constantly having to remind myself that just bc something has properties that the mid-far left cult is attached to, that does not necessarily mean that it's _"Woke anti cis white male patriarchal racismaphobic."_ I can say with all assuredness that the Andorian gender thing isn't anti straight Caucasian guy. And the show would be pretty boring if everyone was a far right War freak...or wait, it seems like the left is more supportive of foreign Wars lately, but you know what I mean. Boring if they were all far right manly men and the chicks were all hot blond and ditsy? No, that actually sounds like a pretty good show and would seem original in the current year. I'll just stop typing now, but for all of Lower Decks left tilting, it's no more so than Hollywood of the past, and overall, it is a pretty good show if you click with the humor. If not, idk, go watch Archer?
Nah; it's just a mixture of family guy and rick&morty with horrible modern characters and TNG paint. Nothing about it is even remotely star trek besides the branding. Even with their flaws, Picard s3 and Enterprise outclass this
I normally watch your episodes in full. But I just cannot watch Lower Decks. The animations is horrible. Why not make it great and the humor kills it for me. I don't need Rick and Morty Star Trek.
Well... Don't watch Lower decks if you didn't watch all of star trek, and I mean ALL, like with the wiki at the side and notes. Else you gonna miss the jokes. If you are that trekkie. 5/5 go for it. Best show.
I can't stand Lower Decks, I also think it's a well-made show and adds a lot to Star Trek as a whole. The problem for me is that it's a half-hour comedy and thus follows a lot of the story-telling tropes of that format, and I can't deal with those tropes. They are painful to watch. It doesn't make it a bad show, but it very much means it's not for me.
Wow, great breakdown Tyler! I'm glad you made it 2 hours. I fell in love with Lower Decks from the beginning. I'll confess I've got the hots for the Vulcan T'lyn ( I know, bad spelling). Just something about those Vulcan women and their logic! 🤣. Can't wait for season 5! 🖖😎🤘🇨🇦🕊️
It ultimately failed to keep me engaged in any meaningful way. Its tepid idea of criticism is 75% missing the point. Fallowed by 25%, the first 6 jokes you see about the series. Maybe it does get better at seasons 3 and 4. But that doesn't matter if you don't get there.
It is been cancelled now. Possibly, because it made the other NuTrek shows look like dog breakfast. I guess SNW will be cancelled soon to safe money for Star Trek Academy 🤢
ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS:
- Number one, I regret that I was unable to deliver this video in 4K. But after over half a dozen attempts at uploading, this is the only cut that has (SO FAR) remained free of copyright claims.
- Number two, unfortunately the extended cut is NOT available for members as it was blocked worldwide due to, again, copyright claims. The Patreon version is up however, and you can access that at the link in the description.
- Number three, I apologize for the inconsistent audio throughout the video. During filming of my commentary for seasons 1 & 2, we had an issue with my lav mic, so I had to switch to backup audio
- Number four, Fred Tatasciore who voices Shaxs also voiced Saren in Mass Effect. Can't believe I forgot that!
Finally, here's the link to Kinzie's video again: ruclips.net/video/N51REdxIRlU/видео.html
I mostly know Fred Tatasciore from Overwatch where hes Soldier 76!
But dude is in all kinds of stuff!
Number five, here are links to the Tendi merch pictured:... 🙏
My merch store link is in the description!
i cant say i saw this video coming from you , i know you had a cursory interest in it but i was unaware that you were watching it. I appreciate the coverage as its on its way out , not to stave off a season end but to spread the word at how capable it is.
The copyright dragons are always circling, you see? They have great vision during the day, and even better vision at night. But in the failing light, just before nightfall, they can't focus. Magic hour.
It's freaking funny. Moopsy was my favorite. All hail Moopsy.
its a pokemon.
My cat isn’t old enough to watch this.
Genuinely appreciate the disclaimer! It's great to have kid-safe stuff to listen to while they're around, and if a video isn't it's nice to know.
Glad it was useful!
I'm commander Worf and this is my favorite program on the Holodeck.
I realized early on that they were going for 'fun' first and 'funny' was secondary, that perspective helped make Lower Decks my favorite of the newer shows.
True. I love lower desks, but I wouldn't call it funny. More of like a "How would normal, modern human beings react to all this weird shit?".
I think it's super fun.
Yeah. I would have to say I like it, but I don't think I've ever laughed out loud at it.
@@a.jherbert5436Or perhaps specifically "how would modern normal Star Trek fans react to being in Starfleet and all this weird shit?".
Tindi Obsessive jokes to one side? Good video.
My thoughts on the Pakled in Lower Decks.
We have actually seen Pakled on DS9 in the background. So they clearly are able to trade and do honest business. What we see are largely those elements that have been scrapping and junking dominion war era salvage and have been emboldened. Those that are on Pakled Planet and their yearly revolution and general 'dopey' personalities contrasting with otherwise very sturdy and substantive construction based on the buildings and architecture we see?
I view it as an alien mindset. they have a biological want for immediacy. Likely due to pre historic possibly even as far back as paliolithic era shortages and enviromental factors that led to those that sought immediate gains as being able to survive long enough. This tracks with how robust their physiology is (assuming short term vacuum survival wasn't a joke.... that they didn't have to immediate get medical attention was jawdroppingly ... wow.)
Mentally i'd put them as... Smart, but their values structure is different than us. They probably are the relative late bloomers of the region and saw that everyone around them already HAD things. Probably were treated as simpletons given their mindset and general way of things. Likely a very initially trusting society and people since subterfuge just takes up too much time and effort. They arne't stupid. Far from it. You don't figure out how to get breen federation cardassian klingon and Q alone knows what other systems talking to eachother by being Stupid.
Plus as the tamranians have shown the universal translator isn't perfect and Pakled syntax seems to have too many words that are all encompassing. Or they've literally used 'Picard' as their word for 'starfleet captain'. Plus given how many wonder solutions the federation will pull out of fat air on a dime can you fault any of them for just going wit hthe idea the federation isn't bullshitting them?
tyler huffed the orion pheromones a little too deeply in this episode I think
Mariners behaviour is important it might not be the Enterprise, but its still Star Fleet.
Are we all gonna petition Paramount or what? This show has “heart”, which is different than “emotion” shown in Disco.
Also, I love Tendi too. She’s like the epitome of Trek. Fight me… and I’ll just stun you and win you over with my enthusiasm after you’ve recovered.
It's hard to describe the rage I feel over the cancellation of this show.
IT was unwatchable and not funny.
"All Good Things..."
That mass effect soundtrack always making me smile
Let's go 😎 For some reason, the Virmire ride REALLY fits Crisis Point
thank you for not scheduling this for days in advance so i don't have a premiere i can't even watch in my sub feed for days and then when it actually goes live i don't see it because it's too far down the feed.
Agreed!!! 😅
Yeah I normally don't do premieres for that reason lol
@@OrangeRiver All I think about when it comes to these altruistic future concepts is how white men misjudged how the future will be. I think Joss Whedon got it right, or is the closest. In the far future in space, EVERYONE will be speaking Chinese Mandarin. You're already seeing the shift in dynamic with Eastern global influence. The West is in decline, they are losing power and influence and ultimately the winner will be China because of their business sense and not having blown up bridges with other countries and communities.
@suzygirl1843 That's a really...random direction to take the conversation 😂
@@OrangeRiver what did they say it's gone now 🥹
Your refusal to do the Peanut Hamper episode throws the barby out with the newspaper.
Nah, disliked that episode too.
Criminal they cancelled it, especially since it's way cheaper to make than your Discos etc, but we can't have it being firmly based on optimistic golden era trek and putting most of NuTrek to shame now can we? :) All those who've been convinced into not watching it by a single trailer, and by popular RUclipsrs vociferously trashing it based entirely on said trailer, might bear some blame and don't know what they're missing out on, but perhaps the fanbase of 'true' trekkies is also too small to sustain the viewing figures necessary for modern shows.
You could sum-up a lot of the vibe of this show as “What if Red Dwarf took place in the Star Trek universe?”
Arnold Rimmer...what a guy.
yeah but Red Dwarf didn't spend most of it's script on constant lore references
That's actually a pretty apt description.
Given that they've said Lower Decks is now cancelled, it is very sad
It shouldn't have ever existed
Right, because everything should be fine tuned to your specific tastes and preferences
j/k people like you are the absolute worst
Humour has always been part of stat trek, and lower decks was clearly written by people who love science fiction in general and Star Trek in general. Maybe you should have a quick look on e bay and see if you can buy yourself a sense of humour
@@swfcocs1 Watch the Orville, it did humor much better than LD
@@swfcocs1 Some bits of Lower Decks really made me laugh. Some bits of Lower Decks made me think "God! What a predictable bunch of "nerd" gags." No one's obliged to find anything funny, laughter is not mandatory. Perhaps your defensive response shows that YOU are the one in need of a sense of humour. Something to think about, huh? Have a nice day.
tuvix solution: Transporter clone tuvix, split one copy into nelix + tuvok, retain tuvix
I really love this show. It has grown on me so much. I am super disappointed to hear that it will be ending after the next season. Could have easily done 10 imo.
it Was good. the only reason I kept my paramoutplus, all for a weekend binge of this show once a year. oh well
I really do think Rutherford and Tendi are asexual, but they're also romantic and not aromantic. However they're both so awkward that they don't know how to express this. Fortunately both seem to have wound up with an ideal partner.
Lower Decks surprised and impressed me which hadn't happened with a TV series since Matt Smith took over as Doctor Who
He is the next Doctor. They are bringing him back to try and save it
Did you try the orville?
@@thedakotalogsfrom what, and to become what?
Also, there's no evidence for Matt Smith coming back, and even if he did, he'd be written by RTD and if you're not liking the latest series then I doubt Matt Smith returning would resolve that.
@@TheGerkuman they announced the Matt Smith thing and you are going to have to explain your question a bit more.
@@thedakotalogs all I can see is a April fools day prank article.
And to clarify my question, you said he was back to save Doctor Who. So I am asking what he is supposedly saving Doctor Who from, and what you think Doctor Who would become if he did.
I was born in 1967, so if I ever saw the first airings of the original series, I can't say but I did grow up watching TOS and the animated series followed by the movies and all of the newer Star Trek TV shows over the years. THAT SAID, Lower Decks is my favorite of them all. Feel free to disagree with me but Lower Decks reminds us in every episode whet we love most about the entire spectrum of Star Trek.
I liked the idea of Badgy in that there have been a number of holodeck programs that have gone rouge or gibe beyond their programming. Might not have been the best way they could have done it, but he grew on me over time.
It's probably how much clippy you were exposed to effecting the way one feels about badgey.
They took a joke about Clippy and turned it into a character that sadly lasted more than one episode. That's not ground breaking or genius... it's lazy and low brow. Contrary to some sayings, farts are NOT always funny. Sometimes it's better to just leave the dead horse alone.
Tendi dislocating her jaw ... HOT. lmfao
Some people think it's hot too, but for very, very different reasons than you probably do
@@spencerkoelle184are we talking Vore?
@@ericbaker8781 You said it, not me >_>
I think it's adorable how you thought this was too racy for youtube. This was great!
😂 Evidently, they've had more of an issue with my attempts to skirt copyright claims. Glad you enjoyed the video!
I initially avoided STLD, but when I heard about the crossover, I thought I should watch it. I’m so glad I did. Now, I want more live action with the Lower Decks five.
funny...I did the same, but mostly because I'm not a "cartoon" person. but after being pleasantly surprised by the crossover episode, I thought I'd give it a shot and it's def up there as one of my fave ST series now.
As a fellow Alian enjoyer i appreciate how open you are about your feelings about the green lady.
you dont even know whats in her pants. what if she drops em and a gross tentacle thing pops out. ever been to a gwar show? aliens have weird junk. what if her lady juice is acid?
Right after you said "let's go get some pizza", it cut to a pizza commercial. The word "pizza" was immediately followed by the word "pizza". RUclips is gaining...something.
Lower Decks sold me in one and a quarter episodes.
First episode: Alright, this is pretty funny. I like the characters.
Second episode: Omg, I'm Boimler...
Not nearly enough Tendi Rule34 in this video
DISLIKED!!!!!
I really love that show, am not a huge fan of new Trek and this was the first thing I watched of it and it become an insta watch when a new episode came out, got me to watch Star Trek New Worlds which I find pretty good too.
I am sad its ending before all the characters get to the end of their arcs. I thought it would be the one new trek show to go past 5 seasons. I really wanted to see these characters grow from nobodies to the finest command crew in the fleet....
A lot of deep thought and a lot of fun too.
i will pay money for my lower Decks
This show has done more to legitimize the animated series than I ever thought was possible. The cross references in general felt more like taking proper advantage of the rich history of the franchise, rather than just token nostalgia.
the thing about modern trek is that the animated shows are good, and the live action shows are bad to meh. even the kids show has enough memberberries to please old fans while entertaining their loinspawn.
"Also, don't date Barnes" 29:50 I listened to this about 40 times until I had a headache trying to figure out what was said here. I just kept hearing it as "ah so, doe ding burns."
It's certainly more Trek than any current live action Trek.
I'm with you that hte Mariner and Ma'ha therapy session is one of the lower decks series high points. Let dude show up as a provisional on the ceritos. Him and Shax would get along great.
I think Lower Decks is the only new Star Trek show that actually feels like Star Trek. I would put it in 4th place too, behind DS9, TNG, and TOS. It is a shame it is getting canceled. I hope another streaming service picks it up.
Decades? Star Trek: Destiny was only 15 years ago! :3
Edit: Just finished the video, and this was such a great presentation of and commentary on Lower Decks and its place in the broader franchise. I absolutely agree with you about it providing some much-needed commentary on Starfleet, and I love how deep the characters ended up. Thanks for a great piece!
I just started watching this show recently and I have to admit that I'm really pleasantly surprised just how good it actually is. Animation and Voice Acting are both really solid, and episodes have been way better written than I expected. It's got a twinge of that Millennial quippy-ness that you see in a lot of adult cartoons, but it's still really solid. I was worried it was going to be a "he's....right behind me, isn't he?" type show and never actually gave it a chance
Prodigy is the best Star Trek show in decades.
I agree about looking forward to next season! Bums me out that we’re only getting one more. I was hoping they’d get back to the tng era of giving us at least 7 seasons.
Lower Decks became one of my favorite Trek shows since episode 1 season 1
As a nearly life long trekkie/trekker/whatever... I like to state that Lower Decks is so awesome. And the writers and cast nailed it from the start. Such a good show. 🤩
All hail the Mistress of the Winter Constellations!
Absolutely not, the show is 100% terrible. This does not change my opinion because the show is garbage. Discovery maybe is still worse but come on.
The strange new worlds cross over should be included too, it’s essential a Lower decks episode, and great.
I was initially dead set against Lower Decks, when it was first announced. I just though it was another new Trek nonsense, and the way the concept was pitched to me put me off. All that has changed now having watched it. It's great. Obviously it's not TNG, but it's not trying to be. It's a bit of fun, and the people making it clearly love the source material and understand it.
Something that can't be said about the producers of most of the new Trek stuff. Yeah it's easter-eggy, but in the context of this show I'm ok with that Looking forward to season 5, sad it's the last one
Badge isn’t my favorite (though jack mcbrayer sells it) but I think the only outright miss is peanut hamper, made all the worse by giving her way more air time than she deserved.
I tried watching it, but it's more of that Rick and Morty talking over top of each other annoying kind of humour that I just can't get into. I'm happy some people like it it's just not ever going to be for me
I can't even begin to explain how much it pisses me off and ultimately disappoints me that they cancelled the show following the fifth season. It was just starting to hit a stride.
Time to write in
time to cancel your streaming service and get a vpn, tor, and a pirate bay proxy. rug pulling goes both ways.
I really don't get the appeal, I finally bit the bullet and watch the first two episodes and it's nothing but your typical tropes, you have your female lead who is perfect in every way and completely unrelatable, your male back up who is terrible in every way and completely unrelatable, the jokes don't go much further then saying something rude, being rude or being dumb, and every twist is a gotcha kind of twist not a smart one, frankly it's just childish.
Me when I can't accept that characters evolve over time and a show's latter seasons can improve on its first :(
@@OrangeRiver Fine I'll give it another shot, BUT I'm bringing the vodka
#SaveStarTrekLowerDecks
Everyone should be watching this show. Any fan that isn't into it just didn't make it past the second episode. This is the best show ever.
Tyler, me, Archer and Arik Soong hittin' an Orion strip club!!
Oh my funny God. Or I just pissed my pants. You are awesome.
Star trek 2 me was always G Roddenberry's future.
It's not our future but maybe our great great great great grandchildren x.
Bbttww I 💕 peanut hamper
the best compliment that this show could've gotten is my friend, that hates cartoons, not really into star trek (so doesn't know all the references) LOVES this show. i think that says enough.
Exactly. This show is a genius level tool for drawing new fans to the franchise.
As a kid I was a sci-fi junkie and a Star Trek TOS fan, but one of my favorite comedy routines in high school was "Star Trip," an audio theater routine by the Congress of Wonders. An mp3 version of the original vinyl LP is available online.
I love the ships name because it sounds like a corn chip manufacturer.
Hold on now. At no point in the video did you warn us there'd be spoilers! Geezs bud, just a little heads up would be nice. -s
I have enjoyed LD so much- very sad its ending, but All Good Things, neh?
Is Star Trek "kid friendly"? TOS was, and if NG, DS9 and Voy had things that maybe parents wanted to be on hand for with little kids, it wasn't anything that you wouldn't be comfortable with you teenager watching. That you feel the need to run a disclaimer on the content of this show... Nope, not the best Trek in decades.
Sounds like you stopped watching after that part...
Its a fun show with just a rough first season like most shows tbh. Its fun if you engage it with the idea thats its silly and made for fun over the story and themes. But its enjoyable I liked it atleast better than discovery pretty good branch out for startrek wish more series had some fun little side stuff like this. Just dont take it seriously if you enjoy startrek and push through that first season and its good and enjoyable a fun watch.
Hard pass for me, I'm glad it was cancelled. SNW is the most decent thing we've gotten post 2005 and even it is barely watchable at times.
Hope you didn't just click on the video to leave this comment and click off :0
I’ve seen the show. I don’t like it. Watched way more of it than I normally give something a chance to reel me in. Just don’t like it. Just a bunch of silly jokes and stupid Easter eggs.
Like I said in the video, I think watching it through the lens of season 4, so to speak, gave me much more of an appreciation. I do commend you for actually giving it a shot though. That's more than so many others did
Well, Tyler, I have no dog to hide...
I love Lower decks!
Lower decks is definitely the best new trek. 😊🎉 😂
Suggestion: you may not want to start with Second Contact. Mariner's (and to a lesser extent, Boimler's) characterisation has not gelled yet, and the humour is fairly mean spirited. Anecdotally, many people have said they were put off the show because of it.
I persisted, and I'm glad I did, but I can see how many people bounced off it.
It put me off, unfortunately.
What is a good point to jump in?
@@spicyf Crisis Point, probably. Shows Mariner in a more fun light, also helps give her actions and feelings more weight, plus the interactions throughout are great.
That said, once you've got a feel for the series and if you like the characters, then I would suggest to go back to the beginning. There's definitely some ok episodes in S1, but like most first seasons of trek it's spotty.
I like your suggestion of rewatching the early seasons thru the lens of S4.
I should add that I’m glad I started this video over - I initially started watching when it premiered & had no idea what you were doing with the looped Kamala Harris clip. Starting over let me see the opening bit of “real talk” about you going very far with memes & such.
Tendi is my favorite character too, but more because she’s a big cinnamon roll of a character. I think that’s why the episode where she turns into a scorpion is one of my favorites.
Yeah I normally don't do premieres for a lot of reasons--glad you enjoyed the video! Rewatching through the lens of season 4 has indeed given me a newfound appreciation for the series
@@OrangeRiver Tawny Newsome looks like Candice Patton
Shame that it's canceled
I absolutely agree no hang ups politics with a female lead and diverse supporting cast it works because there is no hidden agenda and it's just brilliant writing.
Holy shit dude, that comment is so transparent. Just say what you mean like an adult
He means it's not discovery
I was honestly blown away by how good it was
Also, i'm consistently weirded out by the fact that Tyler is lowkey identical to my ex! truly uncanny
I feel the same way about Holo from spice and wolf. Look her up.
If you want proof that Lower Decks is a good show and is worthy of as much respect as any other Star Trek show then i am just going to say that it was Lower Decks that made me a Star Trek fan. Before this show, all i had watch of Star Trek were the 3 movies that came out since 2009, the "reboot" of the original show. I also knew star trek by name and the reputation/influence it had on social culture. But it never accured to me to actually watch any of the shows or movies. Then, being a huge fan of animation, i heard of Lower deck and gave it a try... and i love it ! Not love LOVE it, but i had a very good time and was waiting eagerly for the next season. But then i realize the show was obviously making references that i wasn t able to understand, so i decided to watch other star trek shows. And by now, 2 years after i started getting interested into the univers, i have watch 3 season of discovery (i stopped because i didn't like it after a while...), Strange new world, TNG the show and the movie, half of DS9 (currently watching the rest) and Prodigy. And you knoiw what ? I love it ! I particulary enjoy how some of the episodes of TNG and DS9 are still so incredebly relevant more than 20 years later !
To summarize, i have become a Star Trek fan, not just of one show or movie but of the whole univers and it all started with Lower Decks and its pure communicative energy.
The voice acting is so annoying and loud. I love all the lore and ACTUALLY good TREK elements! Just wish they would stop trying to be Rick and morty. It doesn’t have to be 10 laughs a minute or whatever they think they have to do.
I've said it once, I'll say it again. Lower Decks is the second best series of Star Trek, second only to DS9. And I came to this conclusion after its first season, it had that special feeling to it.
I'm glad that it hasn't at all deteriorated in quality since then. And I'm honestly still pretty bummed that Season 5 is going to be its last.
Tuvix is an ideal example of the “Needs of the many..” axiom. As a Captain you always make the sacrifice for the biggest gain of the crew under your command. No debate.
Also Vulcans are the ultimate sci-fi “straight man” race.
Also: Tendi trans? No. Being trans, or any other LGBTQ+ identity, is a thing. We get it. But some people cannot divorce their own inner views and identity from that of EVERYONE else portrayed in every media today. It’s really analogous to the Christian tenet that that position of faith should apply to everyone and if you deny it, you’re wrong. I identify as a Christian, but my belief is that every religion comes from the same belief in its creation. Different settings, different names, and differing personifications of the various elements of Creation and the universe, but all coming from the same human search for that one basic truth, those universal questions: where do I come from? Is this all that I am? Is there nothing more? What’s the next phase? In my head,it’s DC vs Marvel vs whatever other universe you choose to follow. Thank you, I’ll see myself to my own handbasket now. You’ll find me right behind the guy that shot the Pope.
Lower Decks is the best Star Trek since DS9.
I've been a huge Star Trek fan ever since my Uncle showed me reruns of TOS when I was 6 years old. I love all Trek, except this show. I can even find some good in Voyager and Enterprise which are both considered weak shows. Lower Decks though, I just can't do it. It's just Rick and Morty on a space ship to me and I'm all set with that. It's just personal opinion, nothing to get upset about. We all like and dislike different things. I just happen to dislike Lower Decks.
I think, the only thing I disliked theough everything, was just the Paklids... Because of bow derpy they are by nature.
Does that include them in tng?
real StarTrek fans are the ones who hate StarTrek and who complain about how StarTrek, being a sci-fi show set in the StarTrek universe, is highly derivative and unoriginal (people with clothes on? THATS A RIP OFF OF STARWARS!)
54:50 -- An interesting proposal... I vaguely remember seeing the Ferenginar episodes of DSP and wondering if they're go into their world's societal mechanics better. Given how pro-capitalist they were, one would expect some manner of societal equilibrium with the manufacturers and other people who are actually responsible for development and construction of merchandise to sell, yet they're reportedly kept on a lower, way lower caste than the business executive types.
No.
I love the show. I think it's hilarious. Steve Shives says it's not funny but I don't know how he says that. The humor is very insider. It's probably not going to be all that funny if you don't know the 90s shows pretty well. But Steve does so I don't know how he doesn't get it. They have to come to grips with the multitude of alien ethical standards. I love how they make fun of the officer's penchant for poetry readings and one act plays.
I worked out quickly that Shives has opinions that disagree with me own on basically every element of Trek. Now, I'm not saying that mine are correct and his are wrong and I am right and his opinions are terrible ... I'm not saying that ...
@@spooforbrains I hear you. It's all very subjective. But I do like DS9 as he does. But I still don't understand how he says LD isn't funny.
56:23 I wouldn’t doubt it. JFK probably wanted an Orion girlfriend. And we couldn’t blame him.
I'm going to give this a listen because I started Lower Decks and found it intolerable. It had that snarky sarcastic millennial-speak, which is narcissistic and insufferable. I did not get a ST feel from it - nor from anything post DS9 - but as I said, I'll give this a lesson.
I like this show shame its being cancelled it has good humour and like the throw back from the original and tng shows. Animation isn't all that good i would like to see a more CGI type like the resident evil CGI movies done it or even a live action comedy film with the same actors who plays the characters if there young enough and can act
I just found out they cancelled Lower Decks.... Will season 5 be released!?!?!?!
Yep, this fall
Dude, you had to throw in that woke trash crap. Again. Wth? Kidding. As someone who is hyper aware to the point of it being annoying to myself about _woke_ shit as I'm constantly having to remind myself that just bc something has properties that the mid-far left cult is attached to, that does not necessarily mean that it's _"Woke anti cis white male patriarchal racismaphobic."_ I can say with all assuredness that the Andorian gender thing isn't anti straight Caucasian guy. And the show would be pretty boring if everyone was a far right War freak...or wait, it seems like the left is more supportive of foreign Wars lately, but you know what I mean. Boring if they were all far right manly men and the chicks were all hot blond and ditsy? No, that actually sounds like a pretty good show and would seem original in the current year. I'll just stop typing now, but for all of Lower Decks left tilting, it's no more so than Hollywood of the past, and overall, it is a pretty good show if you click with the humor. If not, idk, go watch Archer?
Nah; it's just a mixture of family guy and rick&morty with horrible modern characters and TNG paint. Nothing about it is even remotely star trek besides the branding. Even with their flaws, Picard s3 and Enterprise outclass this
I normally watch your episodes in full. But I just cannot watch Lower Decks. The animations is horrible. Why not make it great and the humor kills it for me. I don't need Rick and Morty Star Trek.
Well... Don't watch Lower decks if you didn't watch all of star trek, and I mean ALL, like with the wiki at the side and notes.
Else you gonna miss the jokes.
If you are that trekkie. 5/5 go for it. Best show.
I can't stand Lower Decks, I also think it's a well-made show and adds a lot to Star Trek as a whole. The problem for me is that it's a half-hour comedy and thus follows a lot of the story-telling tropes of that format, and I can't deal with those tropes. They are painful to watch. It doesn't make it a bad show, but it very much means it's not for me.
This show is absolutely horrible. It's not remotely funny, and it's not even Trekky feeling. WTF is this guy talking about?
Wow, great breakdown Tyler! I'm glad you made it 2 hours. I fell in love with Lower Decks from the beginning. I'll confess I've got the hots for the Vulcan T'lyn ( I know, bad spelling). Just something about those Vulcan women and their logic! 🤣. Can't wait for season 5! 🖖😎🤘🇨🇦🕊️
It ultimately failed to keep me engaged in any meaningful way. Its tepid idea of criticism is 75% missing the point. Fallowed by 25%, the first 6 jokes you see about the series. Maybe it does get better at seasons 3 and 4. But that doesn't matter if you don't get there.
It is been cancelled now. Possibly, because it made the other NuTrek shows look like dog breakfast. I guess SNW will be cancelled soon to safe money for Star Trek Academy 🤢