Proposed LDS temple project draws crowds, fierce debate on both sides
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- Crowds showed up to support a plan for a new temple for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as neighbors continue their fierce opposition.
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Better than a casino a bar or section 8 housing. The crimes is the highest here in Vegas that I don't want a getho casino . Yes to Jesus!
you claim to be a Christian but you oppose housing for poor people? you did not understand anything in the Gospels.
@@WhyDoTroonsHaveTheSameVoices don't worry, they already help! Know your facts!
@@WhyDoTroonsHaveTheSameVoices housing for the poor that breeds more crime is not pro-gospel
@@zionmama150 Jesus loved the poor and hated the rich. you are obviously not a Christian.
@@Illinois12 nah they are sinners
Show me an area where an LDS Temple has been built that didn't increase property values, decrease crime, beautify the neighborhood, and be a blessing to the community? The LDS Church will do everything they can to alleviate concerns of residents, but in the end, we live in America and they have a right to build a religious edifice and worship according to the dictates of their conscience.
The first temple community in Vegas is not exactly going the way everyone thought now is it. Cody Wyoming proposed temple is causing so many hard feelings in that area that the rift may never be healed and missionary work is doomed. The church puts these temples in areas that are not easily accessible to the average person and in neigjhborhoods that are "safe". How about putting one in downtown LV so members who need to, can get there by public transit?
@@boysrus61 Disagree. You claim the Church puts temples in areas not easily accessible by the average person and in safe neighborhoods? Where is a temple located that is not easily accessible? So you think they should put a temple in downtown Las Vegas next to a Casino or in an unsafe neighborhood? You may like to worship in such a place, but perhaps members of the LDS faith prefers other locations which is their right.
@@boysrus61 - "Hard feelings" in the area from those OPPOSED to a Church NOT of _THEIR_ faith being built , angered that the result only edified heir area , contributed to its VALUE and beautified the surrounding neighborhood as a result , NOT the fear of a Church Steeple Shadow that so _terrorized_ a town - as ahd been claimed by those opposing a HOUSE OF WORSHIP being built nearby .
ANY failings of promises of the benefits to the community come NOT from the Temple itself , but rather the dashed hopes of the naysayers , when their predictions of calamity *_never materialized_* .
@@Kimmer - What you're responding to is an invented accusation , and the more these appear - the more ridiculous the people putting them forth appear , _both_ to those hearing and dealing with the objections (including city councils) but to _themselves_ as well .
THIS is the source of their TRUE frustration - that there is _Really_ *NO* _good_ reason for their objections - its just that its "Those Mormons !!" .
If there were _SERIOUS_ concerns THOSE "concerns" would be aired in BOTH _THIS_ news report, _other_ "reports" on the topic of a Church building being built nearby , AND at City Council meetings on the subject . SERIOUS concerns , I mean , not like claims it will hurt the property values of the neighborhood because you fear a shadow they'll likely never see from a Church Steeple !
*Seriously* - ponder that for a moment , and ASK them :
The shadow is what you fear ?? Seeing a _CHURCH STEEPLE_ when you go outside ??
_SERIOUSLY_ ?!!? _THAT'S_ what you fear ?
*REALLY ?*
@@boysrus61 This is an invented accusation , and the more these appear - the more ridiculous the people putting them forth appear , _both_ to those hearing and dealing with the objections (including city councils) but to the people _making_ them as well .
THIS is the source of the TRUE frustration - that there is _Really_ *NO* _good_ reason for objecting to a Church being built nearby - its just that its "Those Mormons !!" .
If there were _SERIOUS_ concerns THOSE "concerns" would be aired in BOTH _THIS_ news report, _other_ "reports" on the topic of a Church building being built nearby , AND at City Council meetings on the subject . SERIOUS concerns , I mean , not like claims it will hurt the property values of the neighborhood because you fear a shadow you'll likely never see from a Church Steeple !
*Seriously* - ponder that for a moment , and ASK yourself -
The shadow is what you fear ?? Seeing a _CHURCH STEEPLE_ when you go outside ??
_SERIOUSLY_ ?!!? _THAT'S_ what you fear ?
*REALLY ?*
Strong feelings on both sides. It sounds like dialogue has been polite and respectful. Hoping that continues. I am grateful to live near an LDS temple.
the dialogue hasn't been, the cult members prefer insulting the normal people . but I have been getting lots of recs for videos by ex-cult members exposing the corruption of the corporation!
@@WhyDoTroonsHaveTheSameVoices Yikes! Sounds like your paid pastor had you come to their monthly "how to tract to Mormons" workshop again! Does your paid pastor ever talk about Jesus or just about Mormons. Does your paid pastor preach on RUclips too?
I think it is one thing to move to an area where there is a temple and you know it is there. Great. Lovely. I use the temple as a great rule of thumb as to what will grow in a garden in that area. But to live in a night sky neighborhood and an area where 20 years there are established rules for the height of a home should not be ignored.
@@WhyDoTroonsHaveTheSameVoicesI love how this is completely unbiased and not filled with strong perjoratives whatsoever. Jesus loves you amigo.
@@DavidPeel-fo9xv Jesus does love me, and never charges me ten percent. South Park exposed your inbred cult. Tribe of Elohim LMAO
I recently talked with someone who owned land near the Cedar City Temple. He said his property value quadrupled. Those who don't want a temple in their neighborhood should wait till it's dedicated and then sell and buy something larger and better.
Cedar City is also 80% Mormon, so of course there are no objections to a temple there.
Wow, I can't imagine that is your best advice.
@@boysrus61 That’s what they do. They build temples and crowd the non-Mormons out and then the cult takes over the neighborhood.
@@conductorsearle - "80% Mormon" doesn't change the basic truth of the comment , however . Claims it will hurt the property values of the neighborhood because you fear a shadow you'll likely never see from a Church Steeple ?!? *Seriously* - ponder that for a moment . The shadow is what you fear ?? Seeing a _CHURCH STEEPLE_ when you go outside ?? _SERIOUSLY_ ?!!?
@@chuckintexas A typical Mormon distortion. The fact is that this is the LD$ church doing a "flex" to show its presence in a community where non-members do not want it and because Mormons believe they are so superior to everyone else, they believe everyone SHOULD want it and they believe they are so special that they should not be subject to zoning laws. Saying it's "just a church steeple" is disingenuous, because an LD$ temple is not really a church, it's a clubhouse for pay-to-play Masonic cosplay, but LD$ try to make themselves appear as just another Christian denomination to sneak under the radar.
C’mon you guys. You wish to protect rural, yet no one has the right to be the last and only.
What rural did your own homes destroy when they were built? Latter-day Saint temples are absolutely beautiful. Would a trailer park book-ended by a pawn shop and a brothel be more pleasing to the eye? A temple will be a diamond in your desert. Cheers to you, good neighbors! 🙏🏽💛
They won't accept anything, even tho
they chose to move to a
newly developing area 🤡🤡🤡🤡
They aren't beautiful to people who don't want a religion forced down their throats, which is exactly what this "flex" on the part of the Mormons is all about. I'm guessing you won't see this, as it looks like my comments are being deleted. I guess a "member" manages this page.
Maybe not everyone wants that ideology rammed down their throats by a huge building dominating the skyline. It's pretty obvious that the LDS church used its wealth to bully its way around building codes, like a typical multi-billion dollar corporation.
Would you say the same thing if the Satanic Temple decided to build their 200' high religious building in your neighbourhood with a 80' high Baphomet statue in a prominent location and brightly lighted at night? I bet if any of the locals across and around in this area installed any large statues of Baphemet, Budda, Ganesha up to 35'-0" high with lights ,where the Mormons could always view, you bet their lawyer would file complaints or worse harass them constantly to buy their properties
Obviously you know nothing about subdivision rules covenants etc. wow 😂
Please build a temple right across the street from my house but wait to announce it til I can buy a lot more houses next to me and watch them all double in value by the time its built
exactly
You're dreaming. All of you delusional Christian fraudsters are dreaming & on a one-way path to Hell for your blasphemy & heresy.
Praying for you guys.
Building something like a temple will dramatically decrease the crime and other things that are running so rampant in places like Vegas. This will bring such a calming beauty to the entire area. Anybody that wants to oppose it now will see that when it actually is built, it will be wonderful and they will love it. It will also dramatically increase property value like nothing else could possibly do. Even if you don't like the temple, it will do wonders for the quality of everyone's living situation. What could possibly be better to build in an area than something as beautiful and clean as a temple?
Because some people view it as a blot on the natural landscape and as a "flex" by a multi-million dollar cult/corporation to force its culture on people who do not follow it. They could just follow building codes and respect neighbors' wishes, but LDS think themselves so superior that they don't need to be considerate.
People who are not Mormon will not “love it”. I would be furious about a gigantic monstrosity spoiling my view. It’s nothing but a flex by a very wealthy cult.
This is not in Vegas. This is outside Vegas. They people in this area don't want to live with the lights and traffic of Vegas. That is why they moved to this area with these rules. This community does not have crime like Vegas which is exactly WHY the church wants it in this area. The church wants to protect its 69 million dollar asset by building it in a nice community. They should build it in downtown Las Vegas so people without transportation will be able to access it.
I guess you have never visited the Mesa temple it is in the highest crime neighborhood in the city
Interesting conversation. I understand the concerns of the neighbors. It’s just difficult though, because wherever a temple is built, it will be opposed. It always is opposed, wherever you go, but then if you build it an hour from where the membership lives that wouldn’t make sense. I wonder if a Catholic cathedral or a Jewish Synagogue or a large evangelical Megachurch would be opposed as well in the same spot. It would be interesting to document that across the US to compare opposition to the different faiths.
They follow the building codes. If they want to build a large Cathedral or Synagogue or Megachurch, they do due diligence and find property where they can do it . Tehy don'f bully code changes. Especially ones that have existed for decades or longer. This isn't persecution. Church leadership failed looking for property. The simpliest research would have found the restrictions. They need to admit wrongdoing, apologize and change the design to honor and respect the community. And no pathetic 'property value' doesn't work on everyone
As another commenter says, Catholics and other faiths would follow building codes, etc. The Mormons think they’re the only “true church” so they’re special. They’re mainly a cult and a billion dollar corporation, however, so they muscle their way in and buy off politicians to build their eyesores.
Do you actually believe the LDS cult respects different faiths? Hilarious! Keep venerating your conman/pedophile.
You're not understanding the other side of the argument. It's too high. Just make it smaller. Be a good neighbor and respect others. If s large synagogue were built in Utah members would oppose that.
They are not opposed to having a Temple; it is the size and height. Why can't the Church follow building codes like everyone else? I am ashamed to be a member of the Church because of their actions because they are not Christ-like.
The Kingdom of God on Earth will keep growing,no unclean hand can stop it from reaching the 4 corners of the world.
The “Kingdom of God” is not tacky multimillion-dollar buildings for a “chosen” group to act out Masonic cosplay and baptize dead people. Mormons are so arrogant as to think that they are the only true church so everyone must want this nonsense in their neighborhood.
You people are NOT a part of the Kingdom of God! Are you serious! ANY deviation from the Holy Christian Bible (i.e., your Book of Mormon & other heretical texts that you abide by) is an apostasy, heresy, and blasphemy that cannot be forgiven. You folks really are sick-minded self-aggrandizing anti-Christ idolater & you MUST repent now &follow the one & only Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible (NOT Mormon, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, or any of your other figureheads) if you want to spend eternity with Him in Heaven.
ACCORDING TO THE JOLY BIBLE, GOD,S NARRATIVE OF THINGS, LAWS, PAST AND FUTURE
HE SAYS THRU THE PROPHET DANIEL IN CHAPTER 2, HE SAYS HE WILL BUILD UP HIS KINGDOM IN THE LAST DAYS AND IT WILL GROW AND GROW AND FILL ALL THE WORLD. SOME SAY THIS CHURCH IS IT.
Well, you know what a bunch of the other people say right? THIS is why people say Mormons have their own Jesus. It is so embarrassing to me the way the church acts. I can't defend it to non member friends. Are you aware the church has sued the tiny community of Cody Wyoming two times now? Cody is a small budget town. They don't want a temple on the high hill bla bla bla but they can't fight the billions of dollars that the church has.
This is an architectural issue. There is no reason the temple could not utilize an architecture that is less intrusive to the community. I think those requirements are not exceeding 35 feet high and adhering to a dark sky community at night.
Often the intent of a temple is to stand out against the landscape. This temple is going into a dark sky protected community. Most architectures consider ways to integrate with the landscape. I would love to see the church explore less intrusive architectures. As a member of the church in Utah that loves the outdoors I am concerned with the architectural impact these buildings have on the landscape, especially at night. I totally understand how this community would be concerned with this project.
If anything it will improve property values all around it and beautify and accentuate the beauty all around it as well as bring life to a desolate dry desert area. I would love to live next to a temple! It is like a beacon in the night that shines and guides as a lighthouse does for a ship
Unless you like to star gaze then the temple ruins that.
You people are idolaters. Real Christians rely on the power, glory, authority, and grace of Jesus Christ ALONE & we don't need idol-worshiping monuments to prove or disprove our faith. You LDS folks are heretics of the WORST kind. There's already good property value & stunning beauty out here and we do not want this eyesore.
Build the temple - it will be a great addition!
Everyone seems to be very even-handed with their opinions, which we should all be grateful and appreciative. I don't think I would refer to it as fierce, although I haven't attended the meetings. As far as land values are concerned, a study found that in 95% of observations, a temple added between $29,455 and $77,445 to a neighboring property value. Inflation was factored into the study. The study also concluded that the larger a temple is, the more substantial effect it will have on neighboring property values, adding 43 cents for each square foot of temple floor space.
So how much will the taxes be raised? How much taxes with the church pay to the community? Will the church pay the diference to the locals who only want the temple built within the local building ordinances of max 35'-0" and dark skies at night? BTW - all religious buildings must be open to the public to serve the public. That is why they recieve special tax statu. The public must be able to access the grounds and building. Respectfully of course. Tithing no donations cannot be demanded. so not locked gates and fencing. If not, then they are a private club, not religious buildings which would mean no special exemptions. Cathedrals and temples around the world can be visited by non-members. The Vatican , Hindu temples, Shoigan Temples, , Temple on the Mount, even Mecca. Just follow the rules and be respectful.
If you find the dollar value the most import selling point for a church building, especially one supposedly based on the teachings of Jesus Christ, you've lost the narrative. Any religion is supposed to be about serving THE community. Not A community. Equating Jesus Christ with the golden idol of the dollar is blasphemy and heretical. Jesus Christ tore down the temple exactly for this and they crucified him for it.
Carsi, sister resister! Is the church of Scientology paying taxes on all their inaccessible edifices? What kind of personality insists on being the only one in a vast desert and no one else is allowed to share the dark sky? Does the world really revolve around one privileged individual? FYI, anyone can enter our Latter-day Saint holy temples-as long as they qualify themselves by obedience to God’s commandments, having clean hands. That is written in the Writ (the Bible). Hate and contempt can be couched in such sophistication, but it creates sad pygmies.
@@Glen.Danielsen That's a load of crap about anyone being welcome, because your temple "ordinances" are part of a pay-to-play salvation scheme. Also, nice with the typical Mormon condescension to a woman. Maybe people like the desert and don't want a Disney castle dominating their skyline. This is a "flex" by the LDS cult to force their culture on non-Mormons and draw attention away from securities fraud, among other things. Stop trying to pass this church off as just another Christian denomination. We see through you.
@@Glen.Danielsen Nice sexist condescension in the way you address her. How typically Mormon of you.
Years ago, there was another temple somewhere in the US that residents protested because the temple allegedly took away sunlight. The church agreed to build the temple a lot lower, but when everything was finished the building turned out to be so beautiful that they regretted their action. Now they wish the temple could be seen in its full glory, but it is too late for that now.
That was in North Phoenix.
The arrogance of ignorance manifests itself in Human Regret .
This is an eternal principle , never to vary whenever it surfaces . THIS situation is NO exception .
I like how quickly the news report "flashed' the view of that barren mountainside.
The church will do it’s best to satisfy both parties. Maybe a Temple like the one in Mesa. Which is flat and not tall.
There are certain SPIRITUAL requirements of a TRUE Temple of God , and these are well attended to in the design presented . Those who _got_ the shortened Temple regret it now that they SEE the beauty brought to their area by the Temple as well as the people attracted to the area , but SADLY , once built , it was far too late .
It's always hard to see your little town grow, but it happens. A temple will be the best thing to happen to it. It's quiet. It's beautiful. It draws honest, good people. It increases the value of your land.
I truly don't believe this has much to do with the height of the Temple and building height! I believe this has more to do with the dislike these people have for the gospel in the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saint's!
The Temple brings peace and beauty to any neighborhood! The area isn't very attractive where they would put this Temple, if anything it would add to the area in ways nothing else would! These people 🙄 need to think about all of this more carefully! The church already owns the property! This is a very sad situation, the Temple is a slice of heaven for a community!
People definitely dislike the Mormon cult. They bully their way in with their massive wealth and build these eyesores everywhere due to their ability to use their enormous wealth to bully and buy off local governments. The news about the shell companies and possible securities fraud is just the tip of the iceberg with this cult.
@stardustgirl2904 You'd be wrong in your first sentence. The community has been clear they just want a lower design overall. The LDS church is bullying its way into this community as well as a few other communities across America. Jesus taught us to be peacemakers and instead, the LDS church has come up with this new piece of theology where steeple height is super important to Mormons and nobody better speak against that steeple height, or else you are religiously persecuting the LDS folks. It's not right and it's not honest. You would do well to ask yourself why it's ok for the church leaders to advocate lying to get a house of the Lord built.
The LDS “gospel” is the fabrication of a conman and the commenter referring to steeple height and the way this cult uses its wealth to bully its way into communities is spot on. Temples do nothing for the larger community. They are just places for the cult to host its Masonic cosplay events for their pay-to-play “ordinances”. One of the most successful cons in American history.
Bingo!
@@certainlyitis They want a lower design because they know that can't restrict the building of the temple. So they're doing the next worst thing, change the traditional shape of the temple.
There is already a Temple in Las Vegas.. But this report is a bout the temple that may be built there.. Then says ANOTHER temple is going to be built? Will that make 3 Las Vegas temples?
Temples are built per population of LDS members so there must be many LDS there and growing.
That temple is too busy to meet the needs of the members and their religious worship. Seriously this opposition to a new temple is nothing short of religious bigotry. The Church has a right to build temples to meet the needs of its members!!!
Vegas is next to Utah, it has a ton of members.
@@zionmama150 I would be curious as to the actual attendance at the temples. It is so difficult to get enough people to work the sessions, let alone patrons to attend them in our area- we have 2 temples about 11 miles apart.
@@boysrus61 depends on peak times. They judge it off of peak times. Few people go at 6am. But they are also looking at growth rates. By the time the current generation is temple going age, they will need two temples.
Can't _have_ an increase in FATHFULNESS so near _Sin City_ , now CAN we _?!?_
Everybody cries when there's a new Temple going up. The church usually gets their way and their property around them.
And everyone _WILLING_ is consistently BLESSED by that Temple , once the furor settles down .
A good story!!! I live in the Salt Lake area, and I had no idea that this had happened!!! And I am a Latter-day Saint also… hope the plans for the temple move forward!!! Because God/Heavenly Father’s work needs to move forward!! Because we are in the last days!!! Thank you to these two newscasters, and anyone else who brought us the story!!! ❤😇🙏🤗🌎🤟
Are the protests this strong when someone tries to build another 20+ story casino/hotel?
No, because casino owners are smart enough to build gaudy bullshit architecture only in places where it is actually zoned for it.
“The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done.”
― Joseph Smith Jr.
“Standard of truth” is a pretty hilarious statement, coming from one of the most successful conmen in the history of this country.
@conductorsearle who would that con man be condctor
@@wheels636 Joe Smith
@@conductorsearle I'm 100% positive he's not a conman and 100% positive you don't know what you're talking about.
Tell me where in any of the Standards Works of the Church it says that the height or size of a steeple on a Temple is needed for worship. As a member, I am embarrassed by even suggesting something like this doctrine, but it is not! The church leaders need their architects to design a Temple that will fit into a residential neighborhood; think of Pres. Hickley Temples. To claim the church is being persecuted is rich; it is not. It would be best if you told the truth.
I wonder if looking back on the first temple in las Vegas. All the opposition....did any of the bad things they said would happen actually happen? I don't know because i lived in las vegas long after it was built
No , NONE of the concerns manifested . NONE of them . There is ALWAYS opposition to ANYTHING regarding "faith" ever being on the rise , no matter WHERE , when or how . There will ALWAYS be those against a rise in faithfulness. Those so vocally opposing this _know_ their invented objections are hollow , and the dire predictions never come about . In fact , this consistently BENEFITS an are , no matter WHAT the prior "objection" might have been .
A Temple of the Lord would be a blessing to the city and the people
Yes, it’s too bad that the “Lord” doesn’t know what a MORmON is. Temples are just revenue centers for mormon Inc.
How exactly does a lds temple bless lives of non members?
I live super close to a Hindu temple. It has raised my property value. Many Indian people have moved into my neighborhood to be close to their temple. Houses sell quickly for this reason. I love having religious people( even if they aren’t of my faith) in my area. Makes for an overall positive experience.
There have been studies done in areas where Temples were built and had a lot of residential pushback. Years later these same people talk about how wonderful it has been to have a Temple in their neighborhood...
The people do not need the “blessing” of your sick, pretend-Christian cult, especially with it going against building codes and dominating the skyline. I would be furious if I owned property there.
Hopefully the church will work with the residents to maybe bring down the height and to lower the lighting at night.
In the adjacent area , they did that and once the Temple was completed the residents realized that the beauty of the building only added to the value of the area , and they wanted to return to the original plans , but by -then_ it was far too late . The "Height" of the steeple is an invented accusation , and the more these appear - the more ridiculous the people putting them forth appear , _both_ to those hearing and dealing with the objections (including city councils) but to the people _making_ them as well .
THIS is the source of the TRUE frustration - that there is _Really_ *NO* _good_ reason for objecting to a Church being built nearby - its just that its "Those Mormons !!" .
If there were _SERIOUS_ concerns THOSE "concerns" would be aired in BOTH _THIS_ news report, _other_ "reports" on the topic of a Church building being built nearby , AND at City Council meetings on the subject . SERIOUS concerns , I mean , not like claims it will hurt the property values of the neighborhood because you they a shadow they'll likely never see , from a Church Steeple !
@@chuckintexasperhaps some have the attitude of "those mormons". but i imagine that the vast majority do not. even if it was a hospital that was being built to cure children's cancer, residents have a valid concern that their skyline will be interfered with significantly. as a latter-day saint myself, i know that the spire itself serves no functional purpose. we have a number of temples that have zero spire at all.
I'm a member of the LDS faith and I attend the temple.. I love the temple, but I can totally understand where these people are coming from. If I lived in a rural community the last thing I'd want is more traffic and growth. Of course it'll be beautiful, of course it'll increase property values, but those things usually aren't the most important things to people who seek out places like this to live and/or those who grew up there and never left. That being said.. the church did legally buy the property and are going thru the proper channels to build there, so if the people are going to be upset they should look at those they voted for.
Tell them
Interesting that the LDS felt the need to build a second temple in Las Vegas. Most major cities only have one LDS temple while they still have a number of smaller meeting houses which are similar to many small to mid-sized churches.
This temple will do only good for your neighborhood
How is that? How many people in this neighborhood are card carrying members? How many other people will be brought in from completely outside the area with traffic and noise. How many people will lose their night skies by having the temple lights on?
@@boysrus61 I've been to many temples, and they were never noisy from the people nearby. There tend to not be many people outside them, and it's more common than not that the people are being quietly reverent even outside. Traffic is only high during open houses before the temples are dedicated.
Im happy to buy all the neighbors homes for FMV! Let's talk.....and when the temple is built and it's the most desired area and values are skyrocketing, you can tell me how glad you are to have sold
Is it hard for you to understand that the reason the people live in this particular community is because they don't want the sidewalks, streetlights, tall buildings? It is the non Vegas Vegas that they wanted? Do you know how long some of the people have lived there? Where do you propose they move to where they will have a community that has rules for height and lights? Ivins Utah to the Jodi Hilderbrandt neighborhood? Oh wait, they are all same color, same height, no lights.
@@boysrus61 Ill buy them all and relocate you all together to another community a few blocks away. I dont have a dog in this fight. Im just an investor who understands this will make values skyrocket. Let me know when want to sell at FMV. Dont know who Jodi is or colors of temples. I am an investor. Understand?
It's ironic that in a place where the land is so vast there is such an animated reaction to an edifice that will enhance the area's visual appeal and lead to an increase in property values in the area.
Not everyone wants higher property values. Higher taxes isn't a good thing. A temple isn't appealing to those who aren't members.
“Block a view of the Mountain” 😂 Yes, because that “mountain” is so lovely to view. Really?
It IS moron! I live right across the street from it! Keep your mouth shut if you don't know!
We are experiencing a full moon right now and the amount of light it puts off is astonishing in addition to the lights of the strip. The lights of the temple will pale in comparison. I live in the Southwest close to rural horse properties and there is simply no escaping the light. I realize this is only one concern but lots of light is a side effect of living within 50 miles of Vegas and having a moon 🌕.
I sincerely hope the neighbors will find peace with the new temple as it will bring peace to so many lives blessed by its presence.
Attn Mormon parrots.
1. This neighborhood is zoned RURAL. All the surrounding houses are custom built and on large .5-2 acre lots. Nobody wants to move from the lifestyle they bought into, nor can they find this someplace else. Most of you couldn't afford to move here anyways.
2. There are no commercial areas close by. It is strictly HOUSES and a park and a school. It will never be commercial, casinos or low cost apartments.
3. Lone Mtn is a popular hiking destination that overlooks the valley. This Temple will be in the line of sight disrupting that view. Specially at night when it is lit up.
4. The traffic from the Temple will be disruptive to the neighbors, horses and other life. Remember, Residents bought into a quiet area.
5. There is a Chapel down the street that meets religious needs and a nice Temple already in the valley.
6. If you don't live in Vegas you don't have a say. Looks like half the comments are from non-local Mormons.
-- Now do you understand why Residents don't want this in their back yard and why all us non-Mormans agree it's is the wrong location for a Temple?
We're NOT Parrots . We are LATTER Day Saints . Hyperbolic ISNULT helps _no one_ .
The _real_ concern is _as _*_you_*_ say_ the CHANGE to the local area that a large building will bring .
We ALL _get_ that, and TRUTHFULLY , that _is_ a VALID concern .
Get YOUR side of the debate to avoid the insult and hyperbole ("Steeple Shadows" ? _SERIOUSLY_ ??) and make the case YOU lay out , instead . The Church WILL come _with you_ to an understanding ALL can live with , and the RESULT _will_ bless the area immensely . You'll FIND that the result _enhances_ the value of the proposition *_you_* put forth , FAR _MORE_ than it hinders it . *This* is THE consistent pattern for EVERY protested Temple EVER protested and built . This is inescapable , and represents a body of benefits best not rejected , as they will be sorely missed .
SO-
Make YOUR case - _THIS_ case , stay WITH it , get those decrying "Steeple Shadows" _INSTEAD_ to focus on ratcheting _down_ the hyperbole , make THIS case , and work WITH The Church . You'll be PEASED with the results , I promise .
HOW _can_ I make such a promise ? Well ASIDE _FROM_ the fact that this IS a House of God - a house of WORSHIP , the pattern on this is CLEAR and undeniably consistent .
_AND_ So-
DON'T give _in_ , just avoid INSULT and _HYPERBOLE_ .
Work WITH The Church , _help_ OTHERS to see this as *you* do , and you _ill_ be *pleased* with the result .
Sincerely -
ALL the _BEST_ -
- Chuck .
One could argue that the Temple wouldn’t be that much of an eyesore, and that it would be relatively quiet. Although I do understand what the issue would be with traffic, however I think that is why temples are usually built by church buildings to provide for parking. Traffic also depends on what time of day it is.
It’s good to see opposition being their points together in a respectful manner rather than shouting us down as cultists who must be ruled out of the argument. God bless!
Except The committee confirmed it is NOT a rural neighborhood.
The same thing happened in Phx AZ and those property values went nowhere but up.
Bless their heart. Build the temple. 🙏
I understand the concerns but unfortunately if it’s not the temple it will be something worse likely. Just the sucky nature of cities expanding. Here in Atlanta our area went from rural to traffic nightmare probably eventually pushing us out of state to Tennessee.
The Church has every right to build their most sacred edifice on their own property.
As someone who lives fairly close to an LDS Temple, I can say The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is second to none on the beauty of their Temples and being respectful to neighbors.
what we need is a muslim mosque yelling ALAH ACKBAR! 5 times a day, every day 7 days a week.
As an LDS person I can confirm that the height of the temple has nothing to do with the religion or the ordinances that are performed inside. There are many temples with no steeple on top !
Hi Chris, I’ve been witness to the process of two new temple approvals. In both cases, neighbor activism was aimed at such things as the spires. Salt Lake personnel present listened and nodded. Both city’s councils had already voted their approval of the temples’ original plans, but the Church greatly reduced the size of the spires anyway, just to be good neighbors. So when you see abbreviated spires, consider their milieu. Spires do have purpose; they are not benign decor. They have intent; they point toward Heaven.
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They’re abusing a 2002 law. They’re using the 1st amendment as a bludgeon to get their way
I grew up with the Cardston Alberta temple . I highly doubt the size was reduced to be a good neighbor. The fact is the church leaders seem to be implying that the steeple is important to the worship. I have been a member for 50 years and have never been told this in my life .
@@Chris-bd2se i saw you commented same sentence to different youtube channel. You are a troll.
Surely we will all be civil and in no way misrepresent the other side’s opinions?
Weird. The same protesting is going on at the Heber, UT temple site.
And in Texas. Their arguments are stupid, and I personally think that if a person or organization owns land, they can do what they want with it
I don’t understand why it need to be so big… the Sacramento temple isn’t that big…
Because vegas has MANY members and they NEED a big temple to provide for those religious needs. People don’t realize just how busy these temples are!
If anything make make it bigger!
They will be grateful for a temple in their neighborhood when everything goes south.
Hold your ground Lds Christians. Don't back down. Whether the opposition outnumbered the number of faithful Lds Christians, too bad. I personally am a loyal Lds Christian who also served his country in the military. Got one combat tour to Afghanistan so definitely earned a right to peaceful temple of my church wherever in country I nearly died for. Same with any military where these temples are built. Screw that. I don't believe in the catholic church either. How about get rid of one of their big cathedrals the catholics have too. That ain't freaking fair. Freedom of religion. I fought and bled for it. Build that magnificent temple ASAP.
They’ll build a Walmart two blocks away with no problem. I would say religious freedom is important for one religion as it is for another.
Living in a rural area, I can see the issue they raise. But they live in Vegas. If it wasn't going to be a temple, it was going to be a casino. And one improves property value better than the other
So then you can see the concerns of the people in Cody Wyoming and Fairview Texas??? Also, these people don't live in Vegas they live in a rural area just north of there called Lone Mountain. So, according to you, their argument is still good.
If there were _SERIOUS_ concerns THOSE would be aired in BOTH _THIS_ news report AND at City Council meetings on the subject . SERIOUS concerns , I mean , not like claims it will hurt the property values of the neighborhood because you fear a shadow you'll likely never see , _from a Church Steeple !_
*Seriously* - ponder that for a moment .
The shadow is what you fear ?? Seeing a _CHURCH STEEPLE_ when you go outside ??
_SERIOUSLY_ ?!!? _THAT'S_ what you fear ?
REALLY ?
"Rural neighborhood"
You live in the city
Vegas needs more Jesus. But they get mad. Doesn’t surprise me
Just “ Say No”… you can’t always get what you want!!!
Sounds like something's being exaggerated here.
That's sad that people won't let other people get their blessings just because of their selfish need
So......ok to have hundreds of casinos, but a 2nd temple is a problem!?
I think the location is the issue.
Does the church know the saying “Less is more”
MUCH __*BETTER*_ expression: JUST _RIGHT_ . The proposal FITS _that_ expression PERFECTLY .
People need to understand − Religious exemptions are just that.
Wha wha.
Exodus 20:23-25
Psalm 5:5-8
Maybe the towers too big.
They don't like greater home value and low crime?
No, they don't like cults.
@@conductorsearle 😂 they don’t?? Then what the hell is the mafia doing running Vegas 😂😂😂😂😂 nothing more elitist cult than that
@@conductorsearle Las vegas….. sin city….. the city where we dont like cults😂😂😂 mate this is cult central.
@@Crikey420 Then maybe they should build it on the strip. It would blend perfectly with the other tacky architecture and after all, the “sinners” are the ones they need to reach most. Alas, LD$ temples aren’t churches where all are welcome.
The Mormons build nothing but gorgeous buildings. It will be a great addition to Las Vegas.
Let's pray for God's miracle that may the hearts of the people will be softened that His Holy House must be built. It's for the welfare of our souls. ❤❤❤
It is only Holy to those who believe in Mormonism.
I don't think the temple is 70,000 sq ft.
A little ironic since it was The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that founded Las Vegas. And these residents are doing the, "we were here first" defense.
The Paiutes were there long before Joseph Smith invented Mormonism.
@@tothemoon4776 Invented Mormonism? Bigot much?
You are completely missing the point. The point is they are trying to kick them out and they were not the founders, but are acting like they are. If they were doing the same to Paiutes or other Tribes, I would say the same thing about them.
@TheJoeE71 Imagine defending The Church online and you haven't even received your 2nd annointing.
@@tothemoon4776 Don't be a special kind of stupid, bigot.
Selfish, protect there property. That's all. I don't want ppl around my farm but it's coming. Ppl coming from all around buying up farmland. I have never seen a noisy temple. It quiet and the ppl want it. More then don't. There is nothing to protect. The land has been bought and if you all didn't want anything built, you should of bought the land yourselves.
Bottom line, Satan hates Christ, plain and simple.
Well the LDS church IS a billion dollars church now and they will bully themselves into any area they wish! It’s ridiculous that they can do this!!
The building codes and height limits (codes) both have to be waived at the start - The "tie runner" goes to the neighbors who bought their land when the code said no temples and limited height.
Their building codes don’t hold up to the first amendment. So it’s their own damn fault they wanted to restrict religious liberty by putting discriminatory codes in the first place
@@zionmama150 I think the scale is the major issue not religious freedom
@@49erDiner - Its fear of Steeple Shadows and "Those Mormons" .
@@chuckintexas Compromise is part of negotiating Crying wolf is a bully tactic
People around the world have said "a temple does not belong in their neighborhood" for over a hundred years in nearly every state and nation a temple is built. No one has yet succeeded in not having a temple where the religion wants it. In terms of lawsuits, there have been hundreds of those also and the religion has always won no matter who they have faced.
Because they're a multi-billion dollar corporation disguised as a religion.
Cry babies.
Obstructing the view of a barren hill is on the list of concerns? It's always something isn't it? I say a temple would greatly improve the view.
Or maybe people like to view God's creation without a Disney castle obstructing it.
@@conductorsearle a temple is God's creation.
@@The.Prepper.Princess😅😅😅 Of course you reply with something simplistic like that because you think Mormons are the only ones who follow God.
@@conductorsearleSome people like pretty buildings, too.
@@conductorsearleI highly doubt they think only Mormons follow God. Most members of that church agree that many other faiths follow the same God.
Does the LDS church understand that the Lord doesn't like any form of contentions ?
Tell that to Jesus when the very thing he got contentious about was the improper use of the temple.
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In order to stop contention, correct information needs to be given and these jokers who claim the church isn’t following the codes need to be put back in their place because they are LIARS!!! They are the ones causing the contention, NOT THE CHURCH!
By coming to the court with the crowd?? Hmmm...
There is a difference between being the one to choose to start a contention and being the one to choose to finish it.
Sometimes court truly is the fastest, and most peaceful way to end a contention. That is why it is a foundational branch of our government, sir.
Should this go to council, all members who have received more than $5000 from the lawyers representing the LDS Church should recuse themselves. Oh wait a minute, then there wouldn't be a quorum.
It must be nice living in a world where you can make blanket statements without any facts. Would you care to back up some of what you have to say?
@@jimbojimbo8 Absolutely. Five of the seven council members (Knudsen, Seaman, Crear, Diaz, and Allen-Palenske) have all received at least $10,000 ($20,000 in the case of Seaman) from Kaempfer Crowell, the attorneys representing the LDS Church in this matter, since the LDS Church started looking at this property in 2021. Prior to 2021, there is no record of this law firm making any contributions to local politicians.
“Blocking the view of the mountain” doesn’t sound like a good reason for not building there.
The church leaders sent a letter with detailed points to the members impacted by the McKinney Texas temple, and asked them to send letters to the city council explaining how important the steeple was to the religion. Wow, 45 years in the church and that is news to me that a steeple o a temple is part of worshipping. One brave LDS man at the end of the meeting said he was disappointed in the General Authority there to speak at the planning and zoning meeting because he knew the GA was not being truthful. You can watch Mormonism Live's podcast on this very topic. My warning to the people in that preservation area, if the LDS church wins this battle and a temple is allowed, the loss of the night skies is something you will never get back. 10 years living on a property and a home with 54 lights is allowed on the property near us. The night skies are gone.
No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing . Just watch this temple be built anyways.
These people need to chill out and let the church help them appraise their land value 😂
Opposition to a temple by sin city dwellers? Imagine our surprise LOL
The corporation doesn't care about your land... Don't be fooled, it ain't just a church.
I have you know The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saint's, does more with 10% tithing money to help people throughout the world 🌎 then the Government of the United States 🇺🇸 of America does!
We help other churches keep their food banks open to feed the needy and the poor!
We do more humanitarian work than any other churches! You have no idea how much joy and happiness 💖 the gospel brings to God's children ❗️💜✨️🙏🏻✨️🙏🙏🏼✨️🙏🏾✨️🙏🏿✨️💜✨️
We do care about the land and the lessening of crime and the economy of the city becoming better by increasing property values. The rich pay more to the poor that way. Isn’t this what all the libs want??? Oh wait… no because they want their elite houses so they can grind on the faces of the poor
Money and land for poor people. No wait, we need to build a temple and waste millions. 😂
Do you think anyone is gonna magically build free/cheap housing for the poor? Mormons literally have a social welfare system to help people who are poor. A welfare system that’s arguably more helpful than the governments.
Definitely a waste of money and space.
@MA-gv3wg I'd rather be poor and saved then rich and lose my soul. If members were offered free housing or Temples, we'd go for the Temples. One is for God and one is for Man. One shall stand, one shall perish.
true, the LDS cult could be building affordable housing, but they're building a tax-free money-making spectacle for their own customers! No one else allowed in!
@@beedle2081 no it's not. the LDS have hoarded tens of billions of dollars they use for luxury lifestyles for the old-men Elders who run the tax-free "church."
ironic, the bible and book of mormon talk about great and spacious buildings
Ya plenty on the strip LOL
Have you heard of King Solomons temple? Did you know it was huge and built from the finest materials. The great an spacious building refers to the world. Here is a clue . . . Think Circus Circus and you are getting close.
@@PaultheCanadian While I'm not in favour of benzun9600's implications, there may be an element of truth to the claim. Some have pointed out that the great and spacious building was indeed referring to Solomon's temple at Jerusalem, making the point that it had lost its foundation and that the core meaning had been stripped out of it, embodied in the Tree of Life. I think the accusations of opulence are unfounded. If need be, we could build altars in our homes and draw curtains for rooms and conduct the ceremonies ourselves. For now, we have accrued sufficient wealth and breadth of membership that we ought to build as many Temples as we're able to, and spare no expense. God doesn't want our second best if we can help it. We don't arbitrate between building temples and serving the living, we do both to the furthest extent of our abilities, as the Lord commands.
@@PaultheCanadian And he participated in magic and sorcery, too.
@@TheYgdsYour temples are not wanted by people who are not members of your cult and there are far many more people who are not members than are. Your organization uses its wealth to muscle into communities and erect these eyesores and they do it by stacking local government with their members or buying off politicians. These “temples” do nothing to serve the wider community.
Nobody wants to see that nonsense….
They have the right to build their temples and worship their gods. This is America we have an amendment for this.
@@JamesRaftery-kp6my Yes, within building codes, but who cares about that when you're a multi-billion dollar corporation and can buy off politicians?
Well, tens of thousands of members of the Church of Jesus Christ do. I thought America was founded on freedom of religion
@@JamesRaftery-kp6my”God”singular..
Nothing screams cult, like packing the place with members and trying to bully the community to get your way.
And if NOBODY showed up, would that represent the true identity of the entire community ?
@@bentducks That would be the other end of the extreme. How about the members who live in the specific area can go voice their support.The church does not respect zoning laws because they are doing this in different places.
So the only one side is allowed to be present? These are members of the community who came to express their views. Bullying is when you say others should be shut out of the hearing, OH yes and that is illegal too.
@@beeapprentice2725 LOL. Count up your logical fallacies and get back to me.
@@mikez1114 speaking of logical fallacies, any time any special interest group rallies supporters to a hearing, they must also be a cult.
a more man invasion 😂
GOD owns the earth stop opposing HIM
They are not building it on the outskirts of town to serve their members, they are putting it on a hill as a symbol of their moral superiority. The visibility of the temple is this rural area would be significant and they know it. It's their ego talking. Lone MT is not the right place for this monument.
Build affordable housing not temples
They need to go back UTAH and stay there. I’m born and raised in Las Vegas. I don’t want to live in Utah with the LDS cult members and I don’t want the LDS cult members in Las Vegas.
Rich people get to put things where ever they want , move out the way.
@@donnarios8053 they don’t want affordable housing anywhere near either.
easier to flip it off, give their cult the middle finger ever day!
The LDS church is not doing itself any favors by coming into these smaller communities and essentially bullying their way in to build these ridiculously tall steeples that ARE NOT REQUIRED in order for the temple to be acceptable to the Lord (speaking from the POV of an LDS person). For the church to have their lawyers and members speak to how important the steeple height is to them and their worship and how it points to God (as if we wouldn't know where to look for God if the steeple wasn't there. What are those poor people in Mesa AZ doing not knowing where to look for God?) is soliciting false statements - ie., the church is asking them to be less than honest - so a temple can be built. Anyone else see the sad irony of that? Jesus never taught such ideas. Follow Jesus, not Russell Nelson (who, BTW, has the final say so on temple designs - the man who could come along and say - "I don't want such a hotly contested dialogue going on. I will submit a new design that respects these children of God in Lone Mnt Nevada." Why won't Russell be a peacemaker?)
Since almost every temple design is criticized by opposition for the height of the spire, it only makes sense to start with a really tall design and then reduce it after public comment. If you start with a shorter design, it gets reduced to where its purpose is defeated.
This church is bad.
lol tell that to the MILLIONS of members whose life it has changed for the good. And hundreds of thousands of people, what are not members, that have received welfare assistance from the church.
@@davidfrey5654 tell that to my relatives that were graped in this church and it was covered up by this Church.
Millions of people the world over are served by this church every year.
Why is the church bad? It teaches its members to be honest and good. It teaches them to serve their fellowman. "By their fruits, ye shall know them." How much does the church give yearly to those around the world?
@@suzettedale3488 the fruits I've seen are csa being covered and huge scandalous amounts of litigation on behalf of the perps .. where have you been? I love the outward appearance, but there is a lot more than meets the eye. Wake up and look under the covers you've been sleeping under.
The book of Mormon has been debunked what a waste of money.
Debunked by who? If it was debunked than Mormonism would be as popular as Scientology.
Respectfully, I think that there are plenty of evidences for the Book of Mormon within the text itself. People have found hebraisms (Hebrew sayings that fit into an ancient Jewish context) and chiasmus, a form of poetry utilized by hebrews. Furthermore, the individual voices inside the Book of Mormon are more distinct from each other than any fictional character from any American book in the 1800s, including Oliver Twist and Moby Dick.
You can believe what you want, but you can’t dismiss something from the surface level.
God bless.
@@DavidPeel-fo9xv in 2024 It's literally a proven fraud the only ones that would disagree are LDS scholars (surprise surprise) and members. Current numbers show a conservative estimate is about 4.7 million active members with it probably closer to 3.5 million. I'm sure you've noticed like I have that ward attendance has drastically gone down compared to the 00's and wards keep combining and expanding boundaries.
Mark Twain would completely disagree with you about it being a good literally work. His words were that the book of Mormon was "chloroform in print". Though to be fair the church has drastically updated the BoM to fix the grammar, wording, removing racism, and punctuation. It's much easier to read the current version than the original. It still has a ton of "and it came to pass" which gets annoying. Moby dick is definitely a better read.
But if I understand your point correctly you're saying that your evidence for the BoM is the BoM saying so. By that same standard could we also say that Harry Potter and The Lord of the rings is also true history?
Why did you assume that they were dismissing the book of Mormon from surface level? The ex Mormon space is getting pretty big why do you assume devout members who were like you that left have it wrong?
Facts don't care what you think, or feel they are just facts. We know who authored the book of Mormon we know Joseph Smith sold the manuscript for money. Little education never hurt anyone.