I'm Honestly Shocked By Just How Much The New 2023 Toyota Sequoia Hybrid Tows!
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Toyota has really upped their game. I’m a Ram guy but the tundras have always had a special spot in my heart. Now with the new tundra and this new sequoia, even the new supra. They are all amazing vehicles. Good job Toyota
Did all the car manufacturers have a meeting to start all their full size trucks and suv 60k plus?
I am not sure, but it would be a great opportunity for someone to sell something at 50k price range.
Even Hyundai/Kia sells their full size suvs for $60+ here in Puerto Rico😓
I have a 2022 sequoia 5.7 v8 with 6 speed. I tow a 5100 dry weight 30 ft trailer. It does very well with power and brakes! I was even more shocked this weekend when I went up and down some 8 percent grades fully loaded with wife and 4 kids. My guess is I am pushing payload a bit. I spent 2 hours calculating out my equalizer hitch and it rides amazing! When it gets windy I just slow down a bit, no worth the rush. You are welcome to test my 2022 and compare to the 2023. I am just down a bit from you in Utah :)
We need payload capacity as well as towing capacity.
EXACTLY. You’d think that since they don’t offer a 3/4T or 1T pickup, they would offer high payload packages on the Tundra and Sequoia. Especially since the iForce Max puts out more power than every gas-engine HD truck on the market. But nope. Unbelievable.
Hybrid drivetrain makes a lot more sense in a Truck/SUV than an all electric setup especially in rural areas etc no range anxiety
This would have been my next car, but that 3rd row is a deal breaker. The search continues.
Can you option the 2nd row bench in the higher trims? All the reviews say Platinum and up are Captains chairs but I won’t to know if you can get them back with the bench seat
It doesn’t appear that will be possible. I want the same but I have lost hope, looking at the limited instead.
Tell me if I’m wrong but if I get a limited 4x4 with the trd off-road package, panoramic sunroof, tow technology package, and JBL premium audio… wouldn’t I be very close or over the price of a trd pro? The trd pro has all this standard with the exception of the panoramic. All this to get a 2nd row bench seat... Toyota I may just wait till you make a 2nd row bench in the PRO to buy.
Looks like it will be great for towing. Pricing seems on par with competition. Still, $63k for a base SR5 4x4 with destination before any options is about a $10k jump from last gen…
This hybrid engine from my understanding was designed for Towing only, not fuel economy. I’ll be curious down the road if Toyota doesn’t offer the standard TT6 like the tundra already does.
Yes but the Sequoia and Tundra now benefit from a chassis/platform that was designed for Toyota’s toughest, most durable vehicle (300-series LC/LX).
That’s what the market is right now. All the prices are insane for everything. 10,000 difference between last gen and this new one is a good price difference for what you get compared to the old one. All the new tech inside and the new hybrid power train. Basically everything is new. 10,000 is a big difference and expensive for a base model but the pricing does make sense when compared to last gen but the market in general just sucks right now but I’m sure automakers and dealerships are loving it. Not just Toyota but every manufacturer has insanely steep prices and that’s without stealership markups. I think consumers would swallow the fact prices have gone up but when dealerships add their markups it’s just an extra slap in the face and just doesn’t make sense it pay that much for markups.
@@andyham6094 yup all great points. Toyota trucks and SUVs have even been facing extreme markups even on their less appealing more basic trucks thanks to a-hole stealerships. Wouldnt be surprised to see SR5s for over $70k
Probably because the last generation Sequoia was based on a 2007 platform with literally no changes.
I'm amazed they went back to solid axle. Totally ok with it one way or another, but it's somewhat surprising. I thought the IRS wasn't bad and a good direction to pursue. They needed to do a longer arm TRD Pro model, or IMO- shorten the wheelbase, make it a two door and it would have really made people think twice about a Bronco.
Andre, did you had a look at the payload sticker?
Exactly what I was thinking! 9000lbs towing capacity does you no good if you exceed your payload with a 5000lbs travel trailer !
@@WanderingLB yep, I bet most of these door jambs say around 1300 lb.
Just like most trucks and other SUV’s coming out these days. Over priced and too expensive for most people.
@thestraightpipes said cars and trucks are for rich people now a days
Everything is over priced not just vehicles
Totally agree. Might even be too much power for most people. But if you can afford an airstream, you’ll probably use the power, and probably have the money for a new Sequoia!😂
Inflation- everything went up, there is no reasons the cara would not
but still will sell like hotshit
Looking forward to the IKE GAUNTLET and more Tacoma spy photos.
Will you still be doing an Ike Gauntlet test for the 2023 Sequoia? I live in Colorado and that exact road is what is killing my 4Runner with a 3500lb camper trailer. Would love to see how the Sequoia does. Thanks!
Oh look another car most of us can’t afford 😂😂😂
It's a damn platinum trim wtf you expect it to be $19995? Base is 50k
With a 15k trade and 3500 down your paying $520 a month. I mean if you can't pay $520 a month your aiming to high on a vehicle and should buy older used or a smaller vehicle.
@@GhostlyGhille the only way you're only paying that is if you found a magical interest-free loan or take out an extended, more than 5 year loan
That was at a 2.9 Apr which I see pretty often on loans for people with a score 700+
@@blake031299 and that's 72 months so yes. Most people finance 6 years.
@@GhostlyGhille they shouldn't🤷🏼♂️
People want a redesign but now it unattainable.
For real. People complain that it needs to be redesigned and more power and now that they got it, no one buys it. Make it make sense people!
No one wants truck in the 70-80k range ? The people who want to spend that much money on a vehicle don’t want a Sequoia, they don’t want a Suburban or Tahoe either. They want well know luxury brands (Mercedes’ and BMW for example).
@@devopstech7054 so they want unreliable overpriced garbage?
@@fishermanclow3386 No one is buying??? Have you looked around? The lots are empty and they are selling everything they build. I just bought a Tundra myself and the only ones sitting on the lots are cheaper SR5 models. I waited 10 months for my truck.
It's time for tent camping! With gas prices this high towing is the last thing I would want to do.
It’s a nice truck and I like what Toyota is doing. However to put my 8700 lb camper that 30ft long behind would be dangerous. The wheel base is way to short and the sway would be dangerous. Yet, this makes me would why the new Suburban tow numbers are so low? Ahhh, we know… no solid axel!
interesting...I always thought the towing capacity was higher BUT after looking, only 8300!
8700 is too close for comfort. I wouldn’t exceed 90 percent. Sounds like you need a truck for this.
Meh, I’d do it with a weight distribution hitch. It’s got the power and it will handle it.
Really depends I where you tow. Sway bars help a lot. The biggest factor is grade. If you live in the Midwest this would work fine. If you live anywhere where grade is a factor it would be miserable. I’m thinking of getting this for the wife and a backup to my 3500 for short trips.
Capstone the luxury of impractical interior colors! Should have come with white carpet to keep with the theme.
Sweet truck but those prices are ridiculous.
Oof that 3rd row.
It will be interesting to see it on the gauntlet at altitude. I live in Colorado Springs and have a 8000lb max travel trailer and my tow vehicle is F250 6.2l. I would love to be able to trade in for a better daily driver for family and still tow my trailer in the mountains. How was the stability with the boat?
Have you considered an F150 Powerboost?
You could go to a 1/2 ton with the 8000lb trailer, I’m sure one of the new full size truck based suvs will tow your trailer just fine but I would stick with a truck. My Tahoe pulls my boat great but not as easily as my Silverado did.
I’d highly recommend you keep the F250. I tow a 8000lb boat/trailer with a Denali XL and it’s not fun. I actually only use it for short distances and use my friend’s F250 for longer hauls. Issue is suspension. Not power.
You didn't mention it, so I am guessing in doesn't have a plug-in. I hope some manufacturer will make a plug-in hybrid that can tow like this.
Would be great
I’ll take the SR5 base model 4WD please, I’m not too picky
Yep, that's what we got, just picking it up.
Just because the badge on the trailer is 5000lbs, that means when the trailer is fully loaded, So was the trailer empty? So that is really was towing 3850lbs if it was empty, which is a much easier test. Looks like it was a Airstream RV Caravel 19CB which is 3850lbs dry weight (love your videos, BTW)
It says on the sticker the manufactured weight is 4226 pounds, or something similar.
TFL really struggles with the difference between curb weight and GVWR.
I was literally thinking the same, 5000lbs GVRW is the max the trailer can ever weight with all your gear etc. UVW is the number you want to look for. That trailer probably weights in the 3500-4300lbs range. Big difference when boasting how well the suv tows.
Does the Sequoia have the front air dam that unfolds under the front end at speeds over 55mph like the Tundra?
Nope. Fixed.
Too bad as big as it is the rear storage is terrible.
Another channel complained of trailer sway when towing with the Sequoia. Did you notice it? I also saw there was no sway control on the hitch. Trailers that heavy should have sway control and weight distribution. I like the grill on the sequoia better than the tundra. For a truck based SUV I prefer a solid rear axle. Following the new Tahoe and Suburban down the the road you see a lot of low hanging suspension bits. They’re probably going to get damaged on large rocks going off road. It also looks funny!
That’s the main thing I see on the Tahoe/Yukon is the lower suspension arms almost dragging on the ground. They can’t be much further than 6inches from touching.
How about doing a side to side/cost comparison with a new Trundra? That would be very nice to see if having a fully enclosed "pickup" is worth the money or just getting a new Trundra?
Yes that would be very interesting. In my opinion the Sequoia would be better without the hybrid system and without the 3rd row. That way you have a more affordable, more reliable truck with an enclosed bed for safety.
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 I was thinking the same thing, make the 3rd row optional and get rid of hybrid to lower cost. Would make a better RV towing and gear storing machine for a 4-5K less expensive
Interested in the design of the airdam. Didn’t Tundra engineers say the airdam on the pickup retracted for towing since that was better in terms of stability or something? Wonder how the Sequoia will respond when towing with its fixed airdam.
This is why used cars are at record resale prices. New cars at 70-80k, nope. I’ll wait to buy it used in a year or so or maybe a moped...😂
In this market, new is probably cheaper than used, at least in Canada. One of my friend trade his 4 year old 4runner limited for $3,000 less than what he bought it for and got a new 4runner trd pro for msrp. He had to wait for 8 months though. Interesting time we are in..
I was gonna get one but my rent increase jumped from US Dollar to Au bars
What is the mpg on towing?
That’s going to be extremely variable
TRDJohn posted the MSRP on the TRD Pro will be $76,900.
0:55 Please stop quoting GVWR as curb weight. You're misleading consumers.
So expensive. Who can afford these new trucks??
The price of body on frame SUV trucks is going up. Just for comparison, the Tahoe in Z71 trim starts a $65,000 - optioned out is probably $75K. The Tahoe offers up an engine choice of two V-8 gasoline burners and the 3.0L diesel.
And the diesel has a timing belt that requires the transmission to be removed because it is on the BACK of the engine! GENIUS!
@@atodaso1668 honestly that could be a good design. every timing belt just yank both and do a rebuild. effectively new engine
@@bradhaines3142 lol
@@atodaso1668 That's been fixed with the new design on the 3.0
The purpose of a non-plug in hybrid like this is to save money on city mileage.
So basically the population density of where you drive should dictate the value of this purchase. There is no regenerative braking on the highway. Which is why hybrids always get amazing city mpg and average highway mpg compared to non-hybrids.
You guys in rural areas, hybrid won’t do anything for you.
You guys in dense suburbia with a stop sign every 1/4 mile. This will give you 18-20mpg instead of the 12-13mpg you’d normally get with an suv this size. Huge savings in that environment.
Very true. In my experice, Toyota hybrids take some getting used to, and need to have some milage put on them before you start getting or even beating EPA estimates. The new RAV4 Hybrid can easily do under 6 L100km, which is about 40 mpg.
Toyota should offer hybrid for urban and diesel for rural buyers.
What about cold areas vs warmer climate like Florida ?
Interesting. Tim and Jill of Truck and SUV talk said that the Sequoia towed ... less than ideally. They said that with a 4700lbs trailer it was swaying and Jill was uncomfortable towing with it.
Ya these guys seem to have gone downhill and just say YES to everything...
It’s Jill. Jill also got like 28mpg with the ford maverick. I get 38-45 with mine going the same speed and 50-60 in the city. The highest I got was a 7.8 mile trip in the city 67 mpg
If you read the comments, they note that it's possible the hitch wasn't set up properly.
@@josephs8364 Tim also said he felt it while driving. *shrug*
@@AnontheGOAT also notice they never show the date stamp on the videos. Thinking they will get more clicks/less filtering of views due to video age but it is disingenuous.
Seems like the hybrid is more to save the v6 from heavy hauling and heavy acceleration and not to save in fuel as the MPG on the iForce Max Tundra hybrid only save about 2 to 3 MPG. For the extremely high price of that vehicle it better save me in fuel costs which it doesn't. Waste of money in my opinion.
I really want to like the new sequoia, but Toyota dropped the ball on everything behind the second row. The hybrid battery ruins third row leg and head space. And try as they might I’m not sold on the whole shelf system for the cargo area. Overly complicated for what should be a simple open space. The hybrid power train should have been an option not standard on all models. This works on the Tundra because the Tundra is obviously a pickup without a third row and enclosed cargo area. What executive or engineer signed off on this? I see that hybrid battery disappearing or being moved forward during a mid cycle refresh in a few years. After they fail to make a dent in Tahoe or Expedition sales because of it.
Same with the truck! I wanted one so bad but that clunky battery taking up all your floor space in the back! No thanks
Someone said on the other sequoia video….”why can’t you order trucks like this without third row seats. You officially have no rear cargo room and have those useless rear seats. Once the kids grow up you can’t use them anymore so why not have the option to delete the rears and leave the mandatory three row for the sienna.
Honestly 3rd rows and captains chairs in the second row should be optional in every single trim. Toyota just has some stupid packaging.
You usually can take them out if you wanted to.
Please stop putting cheesy background music in the review videos while you are talking
Background music is way too loud. Turned the video off due to it
How can you tow 9100 pounds when it says 5000. Which one is it?
What says that
The Airstream trailer was 5000lbs.
Toyota website is updated for the sequoia
IT STARTS AT 58?!?!?!?!
It's nice to be able to tow without having to buy a truck and still have a rear axle.👍
Looks sharp
Was seriously considering this as our next vehicle, but that pricing is crazy.
Its not gonna be reliable
What's the payload on the new sequoia?
Max payload is 1,730 lbs. the Sequoia’s you are in this video has payloads closer to 1,300lbs.
@@TFLtruck Thank you. Any idea what the payload would be on the TRD Pro? We tow with a Lexus GX right now but need more payload. Like the Tundra BUT love driving a SUV for every day.
When is it available to buy? And is there going to be shortage just like any other cars out there ??
Sad that they only offer the 22gal fuel tank for it. They could have squeezed the 32gal tank in. I guess they are forcing the small ranges like EVs on us.
Yeah this should have been around 30 gallon
Why does Andre always spread his arms like that in the thumbnail?
Short term memory loss. The 2021 Platinum 4x4 was 71k. They're expensive.
i really like this new sequoia !
That thing said 191 miles to empty with 3/4 tank 🤣🤣🤣
If that is while towing, it is a great number
No Paddle Shifters??? C'mon Toyota...
Why would you need paddle shifters on a big SUV? That's just a gimmick. If you want to shift manually the console shifter has a mode for that.
I am only 6.2 LOL.
When is Toyota going to open up the builder on their website?
Thanks!
the pricing is insane and completely unaffordable. these are not luxury vehicles, they are work vehicles. i guess if one auto maker jumps off a bridge, the others follow.
Want this drivetrain in 4Runner size, get rid of massive hood, grille, rear overhang, lower roof.
although 3 row 6 seater would be really cool,
stick those axles under a Tesla X cabin layout, lexus materials, built to last 100 years.
Which trim has the tow mirrors?
My lawwd I gotta get ones of these!!
ok i like your reviews, but get rid of the background music it is distracting and annoying - talking over background music takes away from me wanting to ever comeback. thnx
Where is the sr5 trd off-road? I’m sure most will be interested in this.
3.4L not 3.5L
Someday…..
If you guys don't put 9000 pounds on this car and drive to the Ike gauntlet I will not continue subscribing to this channel
This Sequoia is the bees-knees compared to the unsightly new Tundra. I’ll take one!
EDIT: I just got to the pricing part… N 👀 P E! Those price$ are astronomical and I’m not having it. I’ll taper my standards and refuse to pay these XidenfIation rates.
My question is, what does the hybrid do for this vehicle? MPG still not great
Imagine the mpg without it. But also, the electric engine gives instant torque while the turbo is spooling up so there’s no turbo lag. This seems to be the way a lot of manufacturers are doing it these days.
Hella torque and beating emissions....
Makes it heavier, more expensive, reduces interior room and gives it more power that nobody needs.
The MPG without it is basically the same and while towing it would even be better. Remember when TFL compared the 5.7L Hemi vs the 3.5L Powerboost? The Hemi got better fuel economy in the towing test.
A hybrid vehicle is no more efficient for steady highway speeds when wind drag is primary factor in power required to propel vehicle. It is city driving where the huge differences emerge. Lookup average speed of car or truck over lifetime in US. It is only about 40 mph. A lot of time at 0 mpg which hybrids mostly eliminate. The overall hybrid mpg average is up to 50 percent higher than standard powertrain.
Andre, Thanks for another highly relevant and sensible review!
That tow mirror wouldn’t need to move if it had glass out to the edge.
“Saquoia”
The solid rear axle is a deal breaker for me…
May I ask why?
Yeah why on earth would that be a deal breaker?!
I prefer an independent suspension - that’s all… I will not be towing so I would prefer a nicer riding axle…🤙
@@jpmackin
I can totally respect that man... you do you!! 👍👊
@@jpmackin Highlander, Sienna or Rav4 might be a better option if you’re in it for a smooth ride and don’t need to tow
Payload Andre please!!
Hello is the trailer brake controller standard on all trims?
PREMIUM ENGINE??!?!? Toyota should put in their 90s v8s or big v6's NA for a premium trim... or maybe call it a reliable trim
Andre, you broke my heart. I knew pricing was going to increase but this is painful. Especially since all along Toyota kept saying that the 23 Sequoia was made possible because of all the development time and money saved by using so much of the Tundra. Yet they added a huge premium over the Tundra. Over a 6 grand price difference between the two in platinum trim. That's a kick in the nuts.
That's beyond reasonable when you consider how much more goes into the interior of an SUV versus a truck. GM's and Ford's are over 10K for similar Tahoe's/Yukon's & Expedition's when compared to their respective truck siblings.
The pricing is stupid high.
These new SUVs and trucks are just unaffordable for regular people
@@kirillkucheryavenko6116 does it look like this is necessary for normal people?
@@jeremycook9852 I know the SUV is always more than it's pickup counterpart. However, Toyota was really pushing the time and cost savings in every interview. Even stressing what a saving it was to move Sequoia production to the Tundra plant. If this is the result of saving on top of saving on top of saving, I would hate to see how much it would have been if they had to develop it from the ground up. The other disappointment in the pricing comes from the fact that it still has shortcomings compared to its competitors, like no AWD. I'm pretty sure that this is the only 4WD vehicle on the planet that doesn't have an auto feature even as an option. If they were going to charge thousands more they could have at least spent some time and money to develop that.
That pricing is insane. I dont care what the competitors are charging. These vehicles just don't justify the price. This new hybrid makes significantly more power than the old V8 but acceleration hasn't improved as much as it should if you look at the Tundra.
We have our government to thank for that. With all of the added regulations for emissions etc, the cost gets passed on to the consumer
How much for TRD pro?
No wait the TRD pro cost more than the dam Luxury version. Hoooly ******
Sorry, the leg room was NOT okay. We all saw it. What say you, Toyota?
That’s a big ass trailer to only have one axle lol
Not very heavy.
@@averagejoe9343 don’t matter if it’s super long and bouncy then you need a 2xle trailer so it’s not swingy hella
@@active411vm Won't sway with adequate weight distribution. Yes, 2 axle would be bonus, specially for blow outs.
Finally a hybrid! My Highlander hybrid is still on its battery at 180k miles and I love the mileage, but would have preferred this size SUV and ground clearance.
Andre, could you find out if they will offer the same Tundra TRD lift kit for Sequoia please?
they have TRD package across the board. read up. already known
Didn’t show you’re hitch set up.
We’re you using a weight distribution system ? If so which system ?
Toyota prepared these SUVs and trailers for the Texas event. Both trailers did not have weight distribution hitches.
considering the old design was also built n the Tundra Platform, I am disappointed it took them this long to get it right.
Great content thanks for sharing beautiful SUV.
Billy D
My Turbo charged SUV and Supercharged Truck both use 91+ octane fuel @ $6.50 a gallon (LGB). What does this use?
Toyota happily puts all their vehicle Owner's Manuals on their website. The '23 Sequoia shares it's hybrid powertrain with the '22 Tundra pickup truck. According to that vehicle's Owner's Manual, 87 octane is the recommended fuel.
That’s a bargain compared to that $150k caddy 😳 how do people afford new cars.
Can't Wait See The Brand New Sequoia Hybrid On The Ike Gauntlet.
great car
Hey look guys!!! Were witnessing the fall of automobiles because of the epa!!! Dont you guys love how plastic and ugly new toyotas are? Arnt you glad they dont make them like they did in the 90s and 2000's? Cause I am. I love the fact that our new toyotas are no more reliable than Chevy anymore, and none looks offroad capable whatsoever anymore!! Dont you love it?@?@
If 70-80K is the new standard, guess I'll keep fixing and driving my 04 Z71 Suburban til the wheels fall off, then put new wheels on again
All the car reviews these guys do now they are all wonderful. I wonder why….$$$$
Love the new look, thanks Andrei.
this SUV is for rich people. itself is as much as a downpayment for a house.
I was dead set on getting the sr5 TRD sport; however, after seeing the pricing, I will no longer be getting that. Nearly $10k more than the previous model is a slap in the face from Toyota.
Well, Toyota priced this one out of my budget. 63k for a 4WD Sequoia with cloth seats is too steep. Overpriced by 8-10k.
That's every vehicle these days. "Overpriced"
@@MrCaryk the saving grace for the Sequoia is that when you have to push the loan term out to 7 or 8 years, you at least won't have any repair costs for that period of time.
@@exparrot9074 is that because they are reliable? Or a long term warranty? Never owned a Toyota before
@@exparrot9074 I wouldn’t trust one of these for a few years.
@@Jbs6187 I really like this vehicle for my wife. Gonna keep an eye on it for reviews and such
I live in city. How about parking in tight spots? Can you test cars for parking