This New Zelda Game Changes Everything
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- The New Zelda Game Changes Everything
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At first I was skeptical but now Oh my god this makes so much sense.
Oh, giga long time no see 😢
Indeed, my friend
@@ninbloxentertainment3968 cry
@@ninbloxentertainment3968 That’s like going to a church and saying “please use science for once”. Cry about it
@@ninbloxentertainment3968 cry about it
Ganon actually hasn’t given up on reincarnation, it’s a mistranslation. The original says that dark beast ganon was born out of ganon’s obsessive REFUSAL to give up on reincarnation.
So they mistranslated it into the exact opposite? Wow, great quality control on that bit of lore.
Are you serious right now!? 😒
@Jacob Hargiss Bad Jap to Eng translation happens a lot in games made by jap companies.
Two examples are Sonic Adventure 1 and Sonic Adventure 2.
Although not "bad", the English dialogue practically changes their personalities from the Jap
@@jacobhargiss9909nintendo of America are famous for being terrible translators/localizers, just the other day I learned that in BOTW for example the missions in Japanese are written from Link's POV like he actually talks about them, and it helps you learn so much more about him and how he sees the world, but for some reason they decided to just not do that
@@rooster1610 ARE YOU KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW!
if you finished the dragons tears quest you'll know why it's called that
What do you mean?
@@theresagrawe7053 zelda can be taken as the kingdom, whrn she made her sacrifice you follow it by interacting with her tears
@@themillersthree ahhh I see thanks
I haven't started Totk yet and I haven't beaten ganon in botw either cuz I'm lazy
I don't mind spoilers much though as long as they aren't to much
It’s also tears as in “tiers” with you having 3 different levels of sky, land and the depths . That’s the spoiler Bill Trinen probably meant
@@masyah oh ok was the underworld created by the uprising of the sky islands?
Personally I don't have a problem with minor spoilers I'm not gonna play the game in a while anyways I think
It was already stated that botw and totk take place super far into the future so their placement on any of the 3 timelines don’t matter, and the sky islands were formed when Hylia wanted to protect the land from Demise and his army so she just straight up launched it into the sky and reincarnated as Zelda and waited for someone to come along and be capable of using the full tri force (Link)
The sky islands in TotK were created by the Mineru in the past, long before the Upheaval anyway. The Zonai ruins were entirely on the ground in the distant past (the founding of Hyrule).
Given that that takes place even further back than the 10,000 years stated in BotW - at which point Ganondorf had already been sealed for so long that he was able to create the Calamity - it's safe to say that the old Hyrule (founded by Link and Zelda in Skyward Sword) was likely already ancient myth before the Rauru founded the Hyrule we know in BotW/TotK.
That was a lot of words to say that BotW/TotK is as removed from the original timeline as we are from the founding of the first modern civilization of Sumer - at least thrice over.
@@jamesbrandon5162 Way more than that. Sumer developed about 6,000 years ago. TotK's backstory occurs long before the calamity that occured 10,000 years ago, and the original timeline is already far removed from this backstory. The original timeline is at least hundreds of thousands of years before BotW/TotK, maybe even over a million.
I would like to comment that the quote “ganon has given up on reincarnation” in the English version is the exact fucking opposite of the Japanese version, where it says ganon has an absolute refusal to be defeated
Yeah I heard about that. Way to go translators 😂
I hadn’t heard that, thanks
I always interpreted that line as referring to Calamity Ganon giving up on regenerating a new body made of Sheikah tech since Link interrupted it and just assuming a form made completely of Malice like what Dark Beast Ganon is. It is definitely a weird and confusing translation either way.
that's the point. he doesn't want to continue the cycle of reincarnation, he gets defeated, repeat. he's found a way to keep himself alive while still creating calamities
and that's not even the worst change NoA made to tge game
The thing is, it's not just one Ouroboros, it's two, signifying how Link and Zelda (along with Ganon) are connected. When one appears, the others follow.
Or the cycle is divided into two eras. Sky Island vs Land, perhaps, or even Zelda vs Hylia.
Yep this true
i never saw it that way
cool, also same name
Ouroboros*
PointCrow the kinda guy to know how much wood a woodchuck would chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.
A woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood.
I think it’s now technically the prequel to The Legend of Zelda: Revenge of the Koroks…
Dude that’s hilarious we’ve destroyed so many korocks it’s almost not even funny
You monsters, I always help the Koroks!
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated so you are working with the ENEMY!
@@RealmsSMPStudios they are cute and harmless and they just want to get to their friends. If I found one and didn’t want to help them right then, I’d put a pin in the map for later, like I would for the sign guys. And they’re always so eager to share their golden poops! It’s nice having a maxed out weapons inventory 😃
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated a true Hyrulean patriot would torture a Korok, an anarchist would help them…
The problem with this is some of the texts were mistranslated and the Japanese text were different from the English ones. And for the BOTW Ganon “has given up on the reincarnation” was completely contradictory of what was said on the Japanese version that if was translated, Zelda said “This form was born from his obsessive refusal to give up on revival…”
That still sounds like it's the cycle repeating itself, though. They're both basically saying he reincarnated so many times that he pushed himself to become something else entirely, like one cycle ending and a new one beginning.
He gave up on reincarnation in that instance but he would still be reincarnated basically. The translation isnt wrong but it doesnt cover the whole scope what it means.
wait i don’t see how that is a problem for this
@@sylmaerie the theory is acting like the cycle ended/is reseting when it didnt/isnt
@@RedTheWeeb what?
If the Zelda timeline is circular then the branching lines are actually what happens in each cycle, just one at a time. Child, adult and fallen hero timelines would actually follow each other instead of happening together. With BotW and everything from Skyward Sword to OoT being constant because there has to be a calamity that causes Hylia to raise the sky islands and that leads down the same path until OoT when Zelda and Link mess with time and cause different events to happen leading to the timeline changes.
That actually makes so much sense!
Different times during the same loop. A triple möbius?
Properly a 3pi strip
the downfall timeline is just a what if scenario there's no actual reason for it's existence
@@alty2294 except it would be too easy if it ended there. Demise wants _revenge_ so winning isnt the only thing he wants. He wants the hero to suffer endlessly so the loop still makes sense-ish.
Remember when we thought this game would have a story connecting the timeline? Good times
Great times
The best times. We expected too much from Nintendo, though. They almost always mess up in the story department.
Fans take the Zelda timeline wayyyyy more seriously than Nintendo does. By and large, the games have not been created to tie into each other in any larger canon any moreso than Final Fantasy games.
Oroboros symbols don't stand for infinity, the stand for someone destroying themselves out of greed. But I get your point in general, and I think it's true
No Ourobouros stands for something something keves and agnus
Well there is no oroboros amyways
In the Japanese version Zelda states that his form was born out of an unstoppable need to reincarnate
U mean link zelda is the princess 😂
@@jamielewis4935 I'm pretty sure they mean Zelda because link never talks
@@jamielewis4935No they mean Zelda because Zelda is more knowledgeable about things like this and Link never talks
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@@jamielewis4935 You played yourself
Mans leaving even MatPat flabbergasted with this one.
@@Grim.Shadow-69 had to go through a ton of goofy comments and replies but I found it, thanks for the info 👍
@@Frogadier_00 you're welcome bro
Matpat hasnt actually been paying attention to his own garbage videos for at least 2 years now, dudes been left behind
@@sethaquauis maybe keep your opinions to yourself, Seth. it's not like MatPat has a family and is a living, breathing person with problems just like we have. so don't complain that his content is poor. just don't watch it if you really don't like it.
@@Grim.Shadow-69 it is still just a theory. It doesn't have to be right. But there is evidence for and against it, and nintendo can always retcon stuff. They already have, so they can do it agian.
Yeah turns out the title would be a spoiler since the title was pretty literal and the Zonai just love their dragons.
If you look at some of the ruins in the flooded canyon in the lanayru province in botw you can see engravings of loftwings in some of the architecture referencing skyward sword, so it’s highly unlikely that it’s a prequel.
yes and one of the “give dragon scales to a statue” shrine quests in botw literally has the goddess statue in the spring of earth from skyward sword. so his theory is impossible, skyward sword is def the first in the timeline
Plus since the master sword is the master sword not the goddess sword is can't be a prequel ☝️
I think what he means is that, yes BOTW takes place after all the other games, and ofc TOTK takes place after BOTW. But after the ending of the game, there's gonna come a point where the events of skyward sword will happen again in some sort of way, causing the series to loop over & over. I don't really like the idea cuz there are things that don't make sense like Zelda would have to become Hylia and reincarnate or the master sword would have to cease to exist to be forged again. Idk but I think that's what he means when he says TOTK is not just a sequel to BOTW, but also a prequel to Skyward Sword.
And the forgotten temple is literally just the temple from skyward sword. Giant godess statue and all. You can even see that tree with the magic fruit busting through the wall
The theory can still work without this bit, but I just want to point out that as most people know, Ganon "giving up on reincarnation" was a localisation mistake, only the English language has it. Every other language (and most importantly, the original Japanese) just says that Ganon hasn't been able to properly reincarnate (due to Zelda slowing him down, and now you as Link have destroyed the body he was trying to reincarnate into, but you haven't completely killed him) he's taken this beast form.
Why does NoA localization completely suck when it comes to lore
Just like how Hylia isn't actually a deity, but just an extremely powerful member of her race, and it's the same with Demise.
@@mrsuperheatran2794 things gets lost in translation all the time.
@@mrsuperheatran2794 it's amazing that apparently no one who speaks Japanese speaks fluent English in that company. Or perhaps NoA just doesn't care to pay anyone higher than an intern to localize.
It's a pretty bad translation error, but to be fair it makes BOTWs story a lot more interesting
Honestly the most difficulty I've been having is just figuring out what's been retconned and what hasn't
Link, Zelda and Ganon are tied together in a loop for ever that's pretty dark
I actually think that this game is about breaking the cycle of Hylia and Demise, basically putting an end to Demise's cycle of hatred and death.
god i hope that's it
Hope for that. So there could be finally something else as ganondorf
@@leonidasvonsparta Yuga has entered the chat.
Give me that Ganon protagonist
@@leonidasvonsparta then you should watch “Hero’s Purpose” a fanmade sequel and trilogy to the OoT series that tells the story between MM and how the Hero of Time became the Hero Shade
some random lizard: **bites its own tail cuz its itchy**
humans: i see. thats very good wisdom.
See this would be impossible as In Skyward sword You are presented with the Godess sword which is then used to make the master sword. The master sword itself in TOTK is already there but just super fucking dead, However I find this point rlly interesting and I’ll keep looking into it
Edit: It Also wouldn’t make sense as Fi isn’t Absent in Botw, Infact she’s the reason to why Link was saved. It’s said that Fi was created just to aid the Hero of the skies, after Hylia turned herself into a mortal (Zelda). So this wouldn’t make sense as Zelda In Botw only resurrected Link bc Fi spoke to Zelda (She also calls the voice inside it and ‘Ancient voice suggesting botw happened waaaaaay after skyward sword
@@Link_Hyrule211 Bro this wouldnt stop it from being a loop cus fi can die and the master sword can be destroyed completely
@@nikomikoiko my point is though how can it be true if FI already exists bc she saved Botw link by telling Zelda to put link on the shrine of ressurection, however Fi was created as hylia turned herself into a mortal being, so that’s my I’m saying it’s impossible bc Fi already exists
@@Link_Hyrule211do you not know what a loop is? Because your comment indicates that you have no damn clue
@@Link_Hyrule211 it's something we call a "paradox"
I hope we get a prequel to skyward sword based off the dark prequel manga
The forgotten temple in botw is the ruined sealed temple in skyward sword.
There is the giant statue, deemed the “oldest of them all” and the tree of life in there
Last time the word tears were used in a Zelda game it was the sacred tears in the sacred realm in skyward sword, those tears were used to ignite the flames of the three goddesses of the triforce and to turn the goddess sword into the master sword.
With the master sword being broken we could see a return of those tears (probably in a different way than in skyward sword) be used to restore the master sword in order to once again seal Gannon or Demise.
Great catch! First I’ve heard anyone reference this. This is definitely Occam’s razor.
@@jordanevans7544 wasn't one of the Hinox's holding something on the necklace. Green and tear-like. Looking a bit like a large version of the Tears in the wood trial?
Those tears were also used to activate my fight or flight response
@@jordanevans7544 What? No, who’s Occam? This is Zelda. (/s)
@@wildfire9280yeah I think he got terraria and loz confused 😂
The “ganon has given up on reincarnation” part is actually a mistranslation
what does it actually say?
You can't just say, 'It's a mistranslation' and not give a better translation.
@@serinaut206 I think it was actually talking about Gagnon trying to reincarnate himself and not giving up on reincarnation
@@serinaut206 in Japanese, the original language, they say it’s the fact that he HASNT given up on reincarnation. The fact that he so wishes to keep reincarnating.
@@serinaut206 it says the exact opposite
Matpat also proved that hyurle warriors is actually canon
The logo isn’t an Oroboros it’s two dragons you can see the other head in the bottom.
Spoilers for TOTK:
Which of course is supposed to foreshadow the fight between Ganon and Zelda at the end of the game. Also the title Tears of the Kingdom itself references the various dragon tears we see throughout the map which connect to the light dragon which as we know is Zelda ofc
I think it would be really interesting personally if tears of the kingdom both perpetuated the never ending cycle, but also ended. Like this has happened before, the technology, the reincarnations, everything, just keeps looping, and we in this game, find evidence of it, and finally put an end to the cycle.
Thats not very marketable of you
Hyrule Warriors Spinoff, I'm sure.
@@aquamarine23456 Nintendo bout to put him down
why on earth would you want the cycle to end, do you hate us that much? let them suffer for our entertainment
@@aquamarine23456 it's not like ending the cycle would end the series, we'd just continue to see new stories
Didn't the original Japanese say not "giving up on reincarnation," but rather, and I'm paraphrasing, "refusing to die and reincarnating." The exact opposite, but also makes more sense.
Ganondorf and Malice’s hatred is different, because when Ganondorf dies, the next incarnation of Malice’s hatred isn’t going to be Ganondorf, it’s going to be some other creature. Basically, Ganondorf doesn’t want to reincarnate because he isn’t going to be ‘Ganondorf’ when he comes back. At least, that’s what my interpretation of the Japanese text is on why Ganondorf doesn’t want to die.
@@Progenodid you mean demise? not malice?
It can still make sense either way
The best translation I could find is “This form [the calamity/dark beast ganon] was born from his obsessive refusal to give up on revival…”
@@genericname4168 That's it!
As I recall the "given up on reincarnation" line was a major mistranslation. She actually says the form was born from his refusal to give up on reincarnation. So, the opposite.
Ganon didn’t give up on reincarnation. That was a mistranslation during localization.
Out of curiosity, what is the correct translation?
@@DrFoggyPants it says that big pig is the result of his refusal to give up on reincarnation. The exact opposite
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Nah that circle in the logo isn’t an Ouroboros, it’s a wheel that Link can use to make a vroom vroom car
BoTW Nuts & Bolts
Bad Piggies
Real
@@Sevendiamond639BOTW Fast and Furious edition
@@Sevendiamond639 That comment made me exhale forcefully from my nose
I haven't seen a stretch this far since me and my brother over stretched a Stretch Armstrong which broke its stretchyness
I noticed that with Zelda fans. They make the craziest, most nonsensical theories and, for some reason, they just believe it like it's facts. I don't think I've ever been a part of any community that does this. It's just so weird
The Clamity is mentioned in almost every LoZ game. It's just the generic name they give to whatever big bad event always happens shortly befli KS arrival.
ToTK is actually one of the few where it ISN'T called The Calamity, but instead The Upheaval.
Also, the events of LoZ games have kinda always been cyclical, but since nobody usually seems to remember things between games, it's very likely that search game or specific groups of games each occur in their own separate reality with a distinct timeline.
Ganon didn’t actually give up on reincarnation, it was a mistranslation from Japanese to English. Zelda actually talks about how Ganon became the calamity because he REFUSED to give up on reincarnation
Edit: spelling
source?
@@that_aussie_guy RUclips auto deletes most external links, but Nintendo Life made an article about it called “Translation of Zelda: Breath of the Wild’s Japanese Ending Prompts Interesting Debate.”
Exactly!
@@that_aussie_guy the subtitles of the Japanese version of breath of the wild?
That's the source
The English version had a mistranslation
oh okay, thanks guys. that’s a pretty interesting mistranslation…
I think the Ouroboros simply signifies the never-ending cycle of Ganondorf's infinite return.
In the adult timeline, Ganondorf is dead for good. In the fallen timeline, Ganondorf is gone and has permanently become the beast Ganon. However, in the child timeline, Ganondorf's final fate is still unknown! Last we saw him he was stabbed in Twilight Princess, and it makes sense that his corpse was taken somewhere and stored. Perhaps in a crypt deep under Hyrule Castle? 🤔
But sadly there’s still the can of worms that is the rito
Child Timeline Ganondorf is also dead, but got reincarnated into a new Ganondorf that got sealed in the 4 sword
@@chelvo56 I believe Pig Ganon from FSA is the Ganon that slowly devolved into Calamity Ganon while the real Ganondorf's corpse was in a crypt all along
@@heehoknoobo2518 I mean, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that some Zora could evolve into Rito in another branch of the timeline. In fact, the Rito of BotW are so different it almost seems they have to have evolved under completely different circumstances.
The Rito in BotW are sentient humanoid birds, whereas the Rito in WW are basically just people with beaks and wings
I believe the ganondorf we see in tears of the kingdom will be the one from twilight princess as we can see in the first trailer the green hand covers a crack in his chest perhaps showing the spot where ganondorf was impaled by the master Sword in the final battle between him and link
Except there’s one massive triangular hole in this: before Skyward Sword, the Golden Goddesses created the world and the Triforce. Logically the world can only be created once so therefore it cannot loop.
Now that I think about it, there wasn't any triforce usage, especially with gannon. Secret stones were used
@@narutoedw1n what if somehow the stones "replaced" the triforce?
@@Kokushibo__Tsuki “What if somehow magic introduced in a single game that came out this year ‘replaced’ the magic that’s been essential to the rest of the iconic series” 💀
it can still loop in a certain point. the world is created and time moves on to the point that then starts the loop, all events continue and make their way back to that original point after creation.
@@haldouglas4773 it can but it cannot, ganon can come back all he wants in any way but it still is going to be different, also half of what he said is a mistranslation
Well even with only the info from BotW and TotK, we can see that constantly over the centuries there's a legendary swordsman, a princess, and Ganon. Ganon always comes back and the princess and the swordsman always push him back
it’s because of the curse, they’re stuck in a loop of never ending good vs evil
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This also makes sense with links clothing change from the green in breath of the Wild, because when the headmaster gives you the green tunic in skyward sword, he says it was a new style, hence why it wasn’t used in tears of the kingdom (presumably) as well as breath of the wild
And the fact that all the legends have become so obscure that they all seem to be in every timeline gives even more credence to the story since it explains all the odd names in Skyward Sword. And it also explains the three dragons that can only be seen by a pure heart that are likely related to the dragons in Skyward Sword since in this case, they are the same dragons... or at least descendant.
But you do get the green tunic in BotW...
@@Lulink013that's for amiibo, so I'm pretty sure its not canon, or else that would mean link has Majora's mask and that is just a giant ass rabbit hole
@@butterychalupa3633 You get it for completing all of the shrines and praying to the giant Hylia statue.
@@goombalo10 and the hero of the wild set looks like it was made for a child but still fits him. Thinking back, with the exception of WW, don't young Link's clothes generally appear to be loose and baggy compared to adult Link's?
I'm just gonna spoil this to settle the debate. Miyamoto doesn't give a fuck about story. There are interviews where he says this and instead focuses on gameplay. Nintendo has retconned every zelda story from the dawn of time.
But the dragon symbolizes the eternal life of the dragon that comes with consuming a zonai secret stone. All of the dragons were once people who ate the stones and turned into dragons and will now live forever.
The reasons to think it's before skyward sword are too contradictory.
In skyward sword we create the master sword and the triforce.
In totk we have the fully finished master sword. We do not have the triforce. If it's before skyward sword then the zonai stones work. But we have the master sword as it was completed at the end of skyward sword.
So how do we work around that? There's a past and a present in totk. In the past it stands to reason the master sword and triforce may not have been created yet. But the Sky Islands are a direct result of the upheaval. Which happened in the present day where the master sword was already well established.
It was a neat idea. But these games aren't well established and they just want to make new gameplay with each installment. I feel like the hyrule historia depicts this with how all over the damn place those 3 time lines are and now we're trying to figure out how to fit a reboot of the series into it.
It's also worth noting that the goddess hylia still exists in totk. Toren the monster forces leader mentions her in his dialogue and of course her statues are everywhere. It has potential but if thr sky islands are skyloft they need to explain how the fully forged master sword existed before skyloft when the whole point of skyward sword was to make the mastersword.
I disagree, because the title is a reference to the tears of the dragon, which if you have played through to a certain point of tears of the kingdom, you’ll understand the significance of those tears and the dragon they come from. It doesn’t directly spoil the game, but it is an obvious nod to the events of the game.
And the Zonai sky islands were not created during the calamity but during the upheaval, the skyward sword sky islands were made by the goddess Hylia herself to rescue her people from a calamity. So these sky islands inhabited by the Zonai that were made again during the upheaval of course aren’t the same sky islands.
Demise’s curse he lays on Link and Zelda are doesn’t create a time loop, it just means that there will always be more Zelda games and each one will have Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf in some way shape or form. It wouldn’t reset the timeline.
The line about Ganon giving up reincarnation was a mistranslation. The original Japanese line said that his refusal to give up on reincarnated turned him into Dark Beast Ganon.
what’s interesting is with this cycle theory, his intentions wouldn’t matter. if the timeline events are looping he has no choice but to reincarnate, whether he is trying to/wants to or not. it suggests that even the most evil man alive has no control over the curse, just like the fated hero of hyrule and descendant of the divine goddess have no control over it. plus, demise and ganon(dorf) aren’t the same beings. it could even be as simple as demise deciding ganondorf is no longer useful to him and choosing someone or something else to fulfill his hateful desires. at the end of the day ganondorf is just a guy and demise doesn’t need him specifically to continue on. it’s dark but i like it.
@@sylmaerie His intentions WOULD matter. If Ganondorf gives up on reviving himself, then a new incarnation of Demise can come into being, but, as is the canon of the game, if he does not give up, then this incarnation will continue.
You cannot have a separate being (i.e. Demise) carry the same power at the same time. Demise is Ganondorf (They are both a part of the reincarnation cycle, Demise simply was the original), he can't be become anew if he is still alive.
@@sylmaeriehow is Ganondorf just a guy he claimed the triforce of power a wholly separate source of power from the demise power arguably more powerful if you think about it.
@@KiaStout sure he did that in oot but demise is a whole different being who has the power to curse people to reincarnate for all eternity…he’s meant to be like the counterpart to the goddess hylia and i think we can agree that hylia is above zelda/link right? similarly demise is above ganondorf
@@tllgestalt1942 they don’t carry the same power what are you talking about? ganondorf was a gerudo who obtained the triforce of power and demise is a literal hatred god. and both already exist at the same time demise’s spirit is just sealed away and the curse is continuing through the current vessel of choice ie ganondorf…but it’s DEMISE’S curse ganondorf is still just a guy to him
Miamoto: The timeline makes no sense what should we do?
Aonuma: Eh lets just make the game and let the fans do the rest
“I have never found such bravery in before” skyward sword.
according to my lore, The islands in the sky drifted down from the heavens and were the home of the Zonai. They could’nt have been lifted up because in the cutscene it shows green rocks falling, and the golden vegetation does not match that of the surface. During the upheaval, The demon king broke the barrier between the 3 worlds and he could have been also Zonai in origin (this can be explained by gloom monsters dropping Zonite) Zelda is doing insane things like controlling Yunobo’s mind because she is the sage of time, and she saw all of the futures unfold and she knew it was the only way to do it. She can’t just turn into the daughter of a general and have no power at all suddenly. The depths were always there, but the demon king infected them. He broke the boundaries between the worlds so they would cancel each other out and he would come out on top. The lore that Pointcrow told us may well be the most logical explanation for the lore of the series, but as I play more and more of Tears, it doesn’t fit in as nicely. The depths can’t be closed up like that and everything is different (The map vastly). While this is an extremely valid claim, there are missing pieces of the puzzle that this lore lore can not find.
Edit: this took too long.
Zelda wasn't messing with yunobos mind that was ganon
I love how the rib cage of the Redead opens up when it cries out. Makes me think that when it lunges on you, the rib cage could wrap around you trapping link
Wait what? How is this relevant? Did I miss the Redead in the trailer?
@@TrueLadyEvilChan umm clearly you did lol. Around the halfway mark when it shows them spawning from the blood moon
Honestly kinda heart warming hearing one of my favorite zelda RUclipsr talk about my other favorite zelda RUclipsr
THEORY: Skyward Sword Zelda used time powers to loop back around in time due to something catastrophic happening (like another calamity), and she's subconsciously (in totk/botw) changing the events of time. Also, the Zelda we see roaming in Hyrule is SS Zelda's soul in the TOTK body.
the game disproves that it’s SS zelda and it’s actually ganondorfs puppet
You know I had inklings but I wasn’t quite sure until this, this just makes me want to see the cycle break all the more now
This does make a lot of sense, and maybe that could actually be Ganondorf/Demise’s plan is, to restart the timeline to keep the curse going. Perhaps this means that Link’s going to break the cycle and prevent the timeline from looping back to Skyward Sword
Would be hype, also hopefully a good ending for Ganondorf?
SkeleTrain Bruh imagine if there were 2 endings based on completion like BotW but in this one you either prevent the loop or don't. That'd be coo I think
I think if anything that will be the twist: that this was a time loop but now breaks. Because otherwise there's some serious paradoxes going on
They actually fixed the timeline, what a time to be alive
It’s not an uroborus, they are two snakes. You can see the two heads
They are dragons, they have horns
@@jadendrysdale8864 that’s even worse
When you play tears of the kingdom you get a sword doing a quest and that sword is the one from skyward sword,and the description says… “a sword said to have once belonged to a hero from the sky”. So TOTK is not a prequel.
I’m almost 100% convinced this is the case. Most people think the figure in the murals is Hylia, we know Ganon/Ganondorf gave up on reincarnation, so either Demise’s curse ends, or he comes back.
Edit: as people mentioned, the giving up on reincarnation is a mistranslation. I forgot about that. So for that set of lore what I said works. For the other, it’s his refusal to give up on reincarnation. So why does he have to refuse? Who is offering him to give up on it? Maybe Demise is trying end the cycle and return himself.
But Ganon giving up reincarnation was a mistranslation. In Japanese, Zelda says something like he's doing a last desperate act TO reincarnate.
But, if killing Dark Beast Ganon means he can no longer reincarnate, maybe it still holds up.
That makes total sense
@@ethanwu8650 the only flaw is that there isn’t ancient creatures mentioned in skyward sword, for example the time thinies
DENISE
Ganon has not given up on reincarnation, no matter how much that quote has a ring to it
Epic shoutout for Zeltik, he’s a fantastic Zeldatuber.
Nintendo Execs: yes…that’s what we were planning the whole time….*feverishly taking notes on this theory*
Then the 3 teachers in Skyward sword were named after the 3 bridges in botw
That actually means nothing. Tons of locations in botw share names with previous LoZ characters
It's the opposite, the bridges are named after the teachers, because it's not a prequel to Skyward Sword.
If this skeptical theory is correct, that means they, the teachers of the knight academy and one of the reasons Link had the ability to go toe-to-toe with the demon king, were each named after a bridge.
Would go hand in hand with the dragons being in Skyward sword as well as the ancient technology past aspect in Skyward Sword.
Except we see the skeletons of both Levias and the Wind Fish, along with the 3rd one. If the cycle of the curse begins over again is time going to be reset for them too?
Also Fi is present in Botw and she is made when Hylia reincarnates into a mortal form
@@alexmulder1145 I mean, they might be revived or something so we’ll just have to wait and see.
@@Link_Hyrule211 umm... where is Fi?
@@gavindennis9988 When you finish the Master Trials DLC and also in a cutscene in the base game. It's a memory after Link is knocked out by a Guardian. The sword blinks with Fi's chime.
I like how passionate and dedicated to one game and series pointcrow is. Now that i'm an adult, I can't just stick to one game for as long as this man has.
Lmao Nintendo realised they had a chronic case of Fucked Up Chronological Orders, so they finally decided to settle that
Bro pulled a MatPat
"It's an Ouroboros"
*Intense Xenoblade 3 Noises*
Extreme flute playing commences
Even more intense guitar solo from David Cinzano Bianco Lister
@@SlayerrKatt it's Moebin Time
Intense Legend of Heroes Trails series ptsd triggering
Monolith extending their influence yet again
A theory i had after AoC is that BotW isnt just when the timelines happen to unify, but that terrico was specifically built to unify the time lines, and did so around the time of the calamity when the state of the kingdom and the creatures in it were similar enough to reunify the timelines without destroying everything. it wouldnt be farfetched that this time travel and tampering could somehow cause a loop like Eric suggests the timeline is
i’d actually argue that terrako is a byproduct of the cycle, not the cause. the idea is that the whole timeline happens in a cycle over and over and over again with slight changes as the loop circles back around, with the events we see in one game coming back around again but not in the exact same way. if we look at it like a multiverse theory, that means there are literally infinite ways each event/game can play out, so a time traveling guardian egg baby that knows the outcome of one calamity is bound to exist for at least some of those cycles, making AoC possible. in another cycle it could have traveled back and warned the champions about the calamity and they still fail to prevent it and then for the BotW of THAT cycle terrako is a companion to link and helps him fill in his memories instead of impa giving him the pictures. just endless little things that change as the cycles repeat, yknow?
If you look up where BotW is on the timeline, the official explanation from the directors is that it doesn't neatly fit anywhere because they didn't want to have to adhere to it. Maybe parallel timelines?
now it makes sense to replay all the zelda games in a loop 😂
Ganon didn't give up on reincarnation, that's a massive translation error. What was actually said is that Ganon refuses to give up on reincarnation
I want a Zelda game we're link and Ganondorf are really good friends, nearly brothers, but as they traverse through the game they slowly learn about the looping prophecy
that would be an interesting twist to the Zelda series because it would mean that Link (the player) and Ganondorf were best buddies and then when they find out about it, there could be like an option to try to stem it
so like the movie pan were peter and captain hook were friends?
That’s hella gay
I’ve wanted this for a while too! I’ve always imagined some kind of dramatic scene where Ganondorf learns what he will become first but hides it from Link in fear
I want windwaker 2 man that was such a memorable game I mean almost every Zelda game is, so to be fair I would love continuations of any Zelda game that did not get 1. If its all a loop you have infinite potential and Zelda quite frankly is a game that could literally never die. As long as someone remembers the nostalgia of it all.
The only issue is, Ganon doesn't give up on reincarnation at the end of BoTW, that's a translation error
Actually the logo is…well to not spoil much, two dragons
The logo is not an ouroboros (an ouroboros is when 1 animal eats its tail/back that makes a circle). It's a double ouroboros that is different from the single ouroboros (a double ouroboros (two creatures swallowing one another's tail/back) in alchemy signifies volatility. Spiritually, it signifies the balance of the upper and lower natures. It can also be seen as an infinity symbol, the serpents twisting into each other).
In the english version says ganon gave up on reincarnation. But in the japanese version (considered as the canon version) translated it says: "born from his obsessive refusal to give up on revival".
Intriguing, I think I’ll preorder the game.
I think this is my first preorder of a game
Bro became Matt pat for a few seconds
I refuse to believe totk is the last zelda game
It better be. So I don't have to keep remaking lore for my Zelda OC each time
I’d like to point out that the original Japanese translation doesn’t have anything about Ganon giving up on reincarnation. In fact, it says “this form was born his obsessive refusal to give up on reincarnation.”
Interesting thought, but I'm more betting that Tears of the Kingdom will herald a hard reset in the timeline, rather than a loop. Everything starts from scratch with the conclusion of this title...Everything.
Agreed! It would be very interesting and a new beginning!
Which would let them to do more games, so it makes sense
I'm guessing the double snake bite logo is referencing link and ganondorfs repeated fights. So the cycle exists but this game is link finally breaking free of it.
@@BlueLeef agreed!
@@r033cx I would say even if it is an infinite loop, they could continue (just staying in side of it) but I think it breaking would be much more interesting
I’ve been racking my brain trying to figure out how everything fit together. This helps make some sense of it.
it makes no sense. skyward sword is the very start of the zelda timeline. totk literally cannot be a prequel to skyward sword. this theory is ridiculous
This is why I love Zelda so much. The devs aren’t afraid to go crazy with the lore
Ganon giving up on reincarnation is a huge mistranslation on the English team’s part. The Japanese version never said that. I know a lot of people don’t know that, though. Yet another reason why the English version of the game is inferior to literally every other version. Them taking out the 1st person Sheikah slate log entires & Link’s thoughts regarding saving Zelda & wanting to see her smile again was another.
I hope there can be a patch for a better translation for the game eventually (it’d probably have to be fanmade but so be it)
The sky islands exist in Skyward Sword because Hylia wanted to protect her people from the war on the surface. She gathered the humans all in a couple plots of land and raised them into the sky.
The sky islands in Tears of the Kingdom appear to happen as a result of Link and Zelda's discovery of Ganondorf below Hyrule Castle. The ornamented and ethereal green hand was holding Ganondorf in place, but the incident caused the hand to release itself from Ganondorf and attach to Link. It's then then the islands raise to the sky, and it doesn't seem that any humans are on there.
Yes but in the trailer we see Zelda turn into Hylia. So maybe after that happens she takes the people of hyrule up to the surface islands for one reason or another and the loop starts.
It’s never explicitly stated in skyward sword that hylia herself created the sky islands. Only that she took the people of skyrule up there to be safe
@@catnior What trailer? That literally never happens lmao
@@hypotheticaltapeworm the 3 minute trailer. There’s a goddess type girl. Suspected to be hylia but it’s. 100% Zelda in a different form. Both characters are wearing the same Jewellery and have the same face makeup as well as the same blonde hair
@@catniorIs it spoilers to say that's completely wrong?
@@hypotheticaltapeworm how would you know?
As of now, I think we can say "not quite, but a good theory at the time."
Still love how all of Termina is just an illusion and that adventure didn't need to happen
Until it’s revealed that Majora actually is the Malice sealed inside a mask, and that you’ve met with a terrible fate.
This Theory would also help to fix/clarify the whole "Original Hero" stuff because it would show that the Goddess's Chosen Hero referenced a few times in Skyward Sword (seemingly BEFORE SS Link) as have actually been BOTW Link, and with Hylia probably making a return in TOTK (speculated to be the glowing figure seen in the trailer), and showing that she must "lend him (Link) your (Hylia's) power" which actually translates to Link being the one who Hylia choses to help fight/destroy the root of all evil in the world (thus being the Goddess's Chosen Hero).
It’s not hylia in totk
so all of zelda happens, then enough time passes that events after every other game are before BotW's "ancient hero" even happens, then MORE time passes for BotW/TotK, and then *M O R E* time passes to where BotW/TotK Link is considered an ancient hero in Skyward Sword 2.0. that's so crazy!!! i love that
It makes sense why the series diverges into 3 different timelines
It's always "beware the cycle" and "don't repeat the cycle" and never "how was the cycle" and "did you have fun in the cycle"
It would honestly be so cool if you could get the secret true ending where you break the cycle and the normal ending is link sacrificing himself to allow Hyrule to escape to the sky
Wait why does Link have to die to kill
Demise?
@@Ostr0 that’s the backstory of skyward sword
Honestly, I don’t want it to just loop, nor do I want this to be the end of the timeline and yes, I know that if it is the there’s still what 10,000 years to fill in? I don’t know why but I just don’t feel like ending the timeline here would work very well
It would be fine, the next game can be about trying to break out of the loop or something. Even if the Zelda writers thought of something this cool, there's no way it would stop them making more games in whatever way they felt like.
@@ninjafruitchilled DLC is breaking the loop
"There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning."
Why does it feel like we're witnessing important historical events even though they're fictional
I cannot wait for BDG to update us using a perpetually loopable timeline video explaining this.
ToTK isn’t canon. Monopoly came first.
But if you complete Hylia’s quests, she gives you the sword of the sky and you can find the sky hero’s tunic
The Ganondorf fled across the desert, and the Link followed.
Fun fact, there's a huge cyclone above the Hebra region in the new trailer. You know what else is in Skyward Sword along with the floating islands???🤔
And it's in approximately same location as well!
i saw that too! I would love to see Levias again
@@lunacat_02we see his skeleton in botw though?
Even more proof is that the imprisoning war in totk is nothing like the one in oot so the events probably happened again
“It’s an ouroboros”
What’s the next game gonna be about, the acropolis?
What if zelda became
Hylia when she unlocked the power in botw? She didn't age for those 100 years in botw. And at the beginning of the timeline, Link was Hylia's favorite soldier and that she fell in love with him (if I understand the lore correctly). So if the entire timeline is a loop, then I bet Zelda became Hylia in botw, and now she's sending the islands into the sky.
Skyward Sword was already confirmed to be the oldest game in the Zelda timeline. Though the Zelda games are all independent of each other and Tears of the Kingdom is the only true sequel Zelda, Skyward Sword technically is the prequel to every single Zelda ever made.
Majora’s Mask is a direct OOT sequel, Wind Waker has multiple DS sequels, Four Swords has a sequel…
This part. They’ve confirmed Breath of the Wild (and TotK) is the very end of the timeline, meaning it’s as current as it can be. It’s definitely not a prequel to Skyward Sword when they’ve also stated Skyward Sword is the beginning of the entire story. Also how would Ganondorf be in TotK if it happened before Demise even started the cycle of reincarnation? Lol
@@razrv3lc oldest means it is the first thing that happened
a prequel is what comes before something
an origin story is a prequel to the whole series
With that being said, if the Zelda timeline were to loop again, then that means one thing. Remakes are gonna come our way.
Me: Wait, its a loop?
Zelda Lore: Always has been.