I feel so smart because I understand all of this. What an excellent and well thought out video. You've reached the MyLifeinGaming level of quality too. Be proud of your amazing work brother.
I’m very honoured to be thought in the same light and much of what I’ve learned comes from their always high standard content. That’s a huge compliment, thank you!!!
That shifting of lines when downscaling 480p to 240p is to preserve the 60fps. So you are witnessing how a 240p 60fps video signal works, shifting the odd and even fields for each video frame.
Aspect Ratio Police!!!! Great video!!! Thank you. You are one of the best channels regarding CRT retrogaming. I have used the RetroTINK 5x for downscaling, and in the latest firmware version it supports 720p to 240p/480i. Hope you can test it. Posting to Reddit's CRTGaming.
Thanks!!! I don’t have a Tink5x but apart from 1080p support they look to be the ideal scaler. I’ll be reviewing more soon though including the Dexx which seems very similar to the 5x for downscaling
Marco, great video. I will definitely be investigating the Corio2. Your knowledge in this area is impressive. This channel is a treasure trove of info for our niche hobby. Keep up the good work!
Hey, this video is incredible and I want to thank you for a couple things: First, now I will be putting extra pineapple on any pizza I see. Second, the Enzo Amore reference was 🤌 callback to the earlier joke about Italians. BUT most of all, having all this Corio information in one place is incredibly valuable. I've got a languishing homemade arcade cab project with a consumer Trinitron with component in. And I'm planning to run a PC to it. I'm using a Titan X to try to keep the whole chain analog. I tried to use a GBS-C for the downscaling but it was too flaky. I've got a 750 waiting for me when I get back home to finally try to finish it up, and again, so happy for your coverage here. The other info on these is a little scattered and that shmups thread now has like 69,000 posts and the search isn't great.
Thanks heaps for the compliment, I say pineapple as much as you want! The shmups post is great and like any forum is hard to navigate and find updated info apart from the first page and whatever hits google will highlight, so happy to pitch in with the collaboration. If a PC is the only video source in the cab then you may have a better time with CRT emudriver as someone else mentioned, but if you have other HD sources then the Corio is excellent.
@@MarcoRetro316 yeah I sort of have my heart set on using the Titan X, so CRT emudriver doesn’t really fit into that plan. You know how this hobby can be sometimes when you’re set on something specific…
I am very impressed by the quality of your presentation and it is indeed really an interesting subject, I definitely will try to downscale some games for my 15khz arcade cab. Thank you
Thank you! It’s a fun but expensive rabbit hole to go down, hopefully this series helps put into perspective which single device someone should pursue for their use case. I only wish I had the space for a full size arcade cab
Ola, estou com problemas de sincronização vertical em jogos como Truxton, você tem os presets que utilizou no video ? Minha tv é 4:3 e meus dedos estão doloridos para arrumar a escala. Corio C2 2250A
@@finalboss5545 Ciao! I wrote the settings that I used in the description, otherwise I didn’t adjust the vertical sync settings from the default XML file from Shmups. They are optimised for 16:9 so you would need to further configure for 4:3. The menu is difficult to navigate
@@MarcoRetro316 Consegui, mas esse negócio de 240p é trabalhoso. Testando em uma tv de 21 polegadas e outra de de 38 são duas Sony, 21 Wega e 38 Trinitron de 2003 eu gostei mais das scanlines da Trinitron. Muito obrigado e seus vídeos são obras de arte. Poderia mesclar os Shaders do ReteoArch Mega Bezel e Cyberlab em Tvs Led e Oled.
Thanks for the video, paisano. Very informative and interesting to watch. Do you plan to, or already have the RetroTINK 5X? I'm wondering if there's any lag there from 720p. I'm also wondering how will the Pixel FX one handle downscaling. Like you, I've become more interested in downscaling when it comes to those devices. And lol at the aspect ratio police, they are tough.
The aspect ratio and resolution police are on the prowl lol. I don’t plan on getting the Tink 5x but have watched RetroBobarino’s review which he showed only 3ms lag 720p to 240p! However… it’s so fast because it’s purely line dropping, making text and graphics a little jarring unless the game uses 2D pixel art. Whereas the Corio averages 720p lines on the bottom 2/3rds of the screen which preserve some detail but makes 2D art slightly blurry, pick your poison I guess. I’ve got a Dexx addon for the DE-10 on the way which will downscale 720p and 480p to 240p/480i so I’ll see if it behaves like the Tink5x. I’m also curious to know all the ins and outs about the Pixel FX Morph downscaling
Hey man, I know you're in a PAL country but I'm wondering if you can maybe help me figure out what scaler I should buy for my NTSC set. I have a beautiful 4:3 NTSC 32" JVC D-Series AC-32D201 from August 2000 that outputs an astonishing 450 TV Lines using your Mario warp pipe calculation. This TV has component input for up to 480i and can handle excellent 240p via RGB SCART connection to Component adapter. (Sadly, like virtually all NTSC sets this JVC lacks SCART input directly). I'd like to get a HDMI to Component downscaler that can go from 1080p to 240p, and ideally 480i and 480p as well though the real important output for me is 240p. I'm not especially bothered by aspect ratio but bonus points if that can be adjusted as well. I see the adapter you have as a complex web of connections in this video. Anything a little more basic, that goes from 1080 to 240p simply from HDMI to YPbPr. Currently, I am using a cheap HDMI to S-Video adapter for my Switch and that looks surprisinly good. I'm just sure that it's possible to get just that little bit extra goodness from Component downscaling to 240p over S-Video, hopefully.
I’d recommend a TVOne Corio in your scenario. In hindsight the multiple connectors I used wasn’t the best option although I’m not compelled enough to change it. You can feed HDMI straight to DVI and the Corio 750 has an audio passthrough option through DVI. I haven’t tried it myself but if audio doesn’t work then you could always fall back on the analogue VGA route. DVDO scalers can apparently downscale 1080p as well but I haven’t tried it out yet. Otherwise to date, these 2 are the only ones to downscale 1080p to 240p, without using some other scaler to drop to 480p to then feed into a GBSC
@@MarcoRetro316 Oh right, I forgot the Switch can be put into 480p mode. Okay. So assuming that, I would then need to drop HDMI 480p to Component 240p. That. What's the best device? A spcific name would be very useful. Thanks.
Unfortunately the HDMI to component scaler I’ve featured in the ‘gaming on a widescreen CRT’ video is old and I haven’t been able to find a link to it but that essentially up and downscales so I used to output 1080p to 480p into a GBS, then if I wanted 480i I would set the HDMI to component to 480i and GBS to pass-through. This Amazon Au listing describes very similar in and out resolutions, up and down scaling to my device but can’t guarantee it’ll work the same or if it’s internally identical. I’m yet to test lag and scaling but it worked fairly well with very rare occasions of screen tear. Musou HDMI to 1080P Component Video (YPbPr) Scaler Converter Adapter with Coaxial Audio Output + R / L Audio Support Windows 10,Black amzn.asia/d/hJRAi5V
Firstly, thanks for your content. There is no way that I could perform these comparisons, so this is extremely helpful. And if I could be so bold as to ask one more question - I have a 27" Sony with very low hours (I purchased new 25 years ago) that's waiting for an RGB mod. But I'm also considering a 31" Sanyo with Component Video, which would deliver a 27" horizontal picture - even in 16:9. However, based on the Service Manual, the Component-In is in 480i. What will happen if I feed that input a 249 signal? Would it automatically still upscale to 480i ? Sorry, I am new to this whole CRT scene, so I am just starting to figure this out. Thanks for your help and patience.
I forgot to mention, and this is pretty important (aside from typing 249 instead of 240p previously), I am in the U.S. on the NTSC standard. AND, I am only outputting from a PC to any CRT. I may even be able to create a custom resolution on my graphics card profiles. Any proprietary content would come from emulation (the HORROR!!). So I don't have the hurdles of sending different devices using different resolutions to my TV. But I'm still concerned that a Component input that creates a 480i resolution will upscale my 240p signal to 480i on the 31" Sanyo. Still watching your series to learn - thanks. But it dawned on me that maybe I can downscale via my graphics card before the frames are generated, since I don't have any consoles. I only have to worry about 480i upscaling on the Sanyo, not the Sony. And if I'm playing a modern title, I can switch the Sanyo to 16:9, assuming that the aspect ratio is handled by the tube, not by digital processing. If the TV is changing to 16:9 via digital processing, I THINK that there is a setting on the MiSTer FPGA to output in 16:9, so I might be able to sidestep that issue if it exists. Does any of this sound reasonable, or do I sound like an illiterate, pretending to read what's on the page?
Makes perfect sense. You just need to be sure the Sanyo isn't an HDTV which can be done by using the 240p test suite and using the dropped shadow video test to see if it displays correctly. If you have a lightgun then this is another way to test. I haven't played with pc CRTEmudriver or equivalent but I plan to after I have finished with the downscaling series. Only some Mister FPGA cores can output 16:9 via the core menu. PS1 I know definitely can for 3D games. If the Sanyo is 100% an analog, SD TV then a 16:9 mode won't cause any processing, artefacts or lag
@Gabriel-xi3sm yes that’s fine because the interlaced option will be set to ‘on’. As for why NTSC is 29.97 and not a perfect 30, the scaler is meant for video timings and modern displays expect 59.94Hz (effectively 60Hz). But you’d be hard pressed to notice a single errant frame stutter every so often if the source ran at a perfect 60Hz, I didn’t see any in my testing. But it shouldn’t be a problem to slightly alter the NTSC vertical refresh to a whole number, though I’d leave it as is.
Just install CRT Emudriver on a cheap PC. Don't fool with all this blurry, laggy Corio stuff. All these pixel art games: TMNT, Bloodstained, Sonic Mania, are available on PC, and you can play them at native resolution, no scaling needed. Which of course means no lag either. All you have to do is figure out the native resolution for each game, then make that custom resolution in Emudriver Bonus for Sonic Mania is on PC it has a config file tweak that switches to 4:3 output, 320x240. The other games you have to set your CRT's raster to 16:9 (if you don't have a 16:9 CRT)
I agree it’ll look and play best on a PC with CRT Emudrive especially games like TMNT in 270p. The Corio serves its purpose in my setup for convenience and accessibility
@@MarcoRetro316 You're still having to mess with a lot of menus and test patterns on Corio, definitely not "plug and play" by any means. Emudriver isn't really any more difficult, though it has its own headaches that can pop up depending on the game. Where I'll admit Emudriver is less accessible, is if you've already bought a game for Switch, and you want to play it on your CRT. You have to buy it again on PC. Sales are frequent though
@@lulkLogan Testei o Corio C2 - 2250A, liguei com PC e RetroArch e deixei em 240p. Ficou simplesmente absurda a imagem. Realmente as opções de scala da imagem são um pouco difíceis. Mas depois fica absurdamente lindas.
I Have a GBS-C and use that to dowscale, and it works very well, although my tv is 4:3 so i dont think it's nice for content that it is not in 4:3. And it does not downscale to 480i, it only downscale to 240p, wich kinda sucks
GBS is a great 240p downscaler and prior to Rama’s CFW there were no cheap and accessible options. It is a shame 480i is missing and that it won’t accept higher than 480p. If modern consoles catered for 640x480 (4:3) then the downscaled video would fit 4:3 CRT’s nicely. I’ll cover this scaler as well in the coming months
Yes, I’m contemplating getting the 5x purely for review. I feel like Bob (RetroRGB) did a great job of showing it off with lag testing and demonstrating it’s line-dropping, so if I feel I can add any further value then I might. I’d have to fund the purchase myself but would love this series to be as comprehensive as possible
I had bought this exact same model a few months ago for the same purpose. Didn't know it could output 480i though due to everyone on shmups need for scanlines. Also didn't know how to save apect ratios to presets. All good to know. My main issue with it so far is light guns on xbox. Have you tried this yet?
It’s a great product, you get 3 ‘quick’ presets, 1 for power on, then the other 2 are accessible with the front preset buttons, otherwise the rest are selectable with the OSD. I love me some scanlines when I feel it’s appropriate but 480i looks great for modern games. I can pretty much guarantee it won’t work with lightguns given the lag as they need precise timings with the CRT. The guitar hero lag test is more of a human reflex test than anything. Dialling in aspect is a PITA but once optimised, you shouldn’t need to mess with it again
Not to sound like a noob, but can't the MiSTer FPGA deliver all of the scenarios that you want, without adding any lag (discounting the lag that's native to your widescreen digital processing)?? Those are the benefits that interest me the most - retro games in native resolution and modern games downscaled but still in 16:9, with no appreciable lag. Particularly for modern shooters... (For example, when you were using the gyro in your controller, I could see the lag, though I've never used that feature, so maybe that's just the controller itself. It's such a PITA trying to sort all of this stuff out. I just want the zero lag that I remember.
Not a noob question at all. The Mister FPGA plays relatively older consoles. Whereas this is downscaling an HD console to 15KHz. The FPS games on the switch are remastered to 16:9 so they're perfect for downscaling on a widescreen CRT. Lag is everywhere lol. The scaler, controller, sometimes even the game has lag 'baked in' the code
We are part of the niche that gets overtalked into oblivion. I’ve been trying so hard to find something that can convert modern signals to 1080i but no matter how I search everybody is trying to take smaller resolution inputs and convert them for their crappy Walmart Tv that has Roku built in. Sometimes it’s impossible to find what we want because normies all want the same thing. They would rather watch 16k up-res’d versions of Star Wars original trilogy where the characters just look like Toy Story than dare to experience it as it was, grain and scratches galore. (They’d be shocked to know the movie is from the 1970s 🫢 don’t tell them) They’re in a race to clean up the Mona Lisa until it’s just a 2000megapixel picture of some side-shaved SJW so they can feel better about their self 🤦🏼♀️
Sounds like you’re fighting a witch hunt there. You can use something like an Extron DVS/DSC to downscale say 1080p to 1080i. I’m sure the OSSC Pro could do this as well
@@MarcoRetro316I searched and found your device for $60 on average. During my search I happened upon a Hall Research scaler for $20! It can take any input up to 1920x1200 and output all of the standard broadcast resolutions and many common PC resolutions. Therefore I am outputting a high resolution progressive image from my computer and my TV is receiving a 1080i signal. No issue whatsoever. It looks great.
@@MarcoRetro316I followed your advice and researched and found used items on eBay. I settled for a Hall Research HDMI to HDMI scaler. It can take anything up to about 1920x1200 and output all the standard resolutions: 480 NTSC, 720i, 720p, 1080i 60 or 50 Hz etc. This works and allows me to use modern equipment with old TV’s!
@@billgates3699 glad you found something that works for your setup. I’ve never tried those but if you’re mainly converting HD video content to 480i then it sounds like a winner
I feel so smart because I understand all of this. What an excellent and well thought out video. You've reached the MyLifeinGaming level of quality too. Be proud of your amazing work brother.
I’m very honoured to be thought in the same light and much of what I’ve learned comes from their always high standard content. That’s a huge compliment, thank you!!!
That shifting of lines when downscaling 480p to 240p is to preserve the 60fps. So you are witnessing how a 240p 60fps video signal works, shifting the odd and even fields for each video frame.
Aspect Ratio Police!!!! Great video!!! Thank you. You are one of the best channels regarding CRT retrogaming. I have used the RetroTINK 5x for downscaling, and in the latest firmware version it supports 720p to 240p/480i. Hope you can test it. Posting to Reddit's CRTGaming.
Thanks!!! I don’t have a Tink5x but apart from 1080p support they look to be the ideal scaler. I’ll be reviewing more soon though including the Dexx which seems very similar to the 5x for downscaling
Some of the best content going around - another addition to the superb library of videos on your channel!
Marco, great video. I will definitely be investigating the Corio2. Your knowledge in this area is impressive. This channel is a treasure trove of info for our niche hobby. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Jeff!
Hey, this video is incredible and I want to thank you for a couple things: First, now I will be putting extra pineapple on any pizza I see. Second, the Enzo Amore reference was 🤌 callback to the earlier joke about Italians.
BUT most of all, having all this Corio information in one place is incredibly valuable. I've got a languishing homemade arcade cab project with a consumer Trinitron with component in. And I'm planning to run a PC to it. I'm using a Titan X to try to keep the whole chain analog. I tried to use a GBS-C for the downscaling but it was too flaky. I've got a 750 waiting for me when I get back home to finally try to finish it up, and again, so happy for your coverage here. The other info on these is a little scattered and that shmups thread now has like 69,000 posts and the search isn't great.
Thanks heaps for the compliment, I say pineapple as much as you want! The shmups post is great and like any forum is hard to navigate and find updated info apart from the first page and whatever hits google will highlight, so happy to pitch in with the collaboration. If a PC is the only video source in the cab then you may have a better time with CRT emudriver as someone else mentioned, but if you have other HD sources then the Corio is excellent.
@@MarcoRetro316 yeah I sort of have my heart set on using the Titan X, so CRT emudriver doesn’t really fit into that plan. You know how this hobby can be sometimes when you’re set on something specific…
Great video, you sir are an asset to retro gamers world wide.
Thank you so much!
I am very impressed by the quality of your presentation and it is indeed really an interesting subject, I definitely will try to downscale some games for my 15khz arcade cab. Thank you
Thank you! It’s a fun but expensive rabbit hole to go down, hopefully this series helps put into perspective which single device someone should pursue for their use case. I only wish I had the space for a full size arcade cab
Ola, estou com problemas de sincronização vertical em jogos como Truxton, você tem os presets que utilizou no video ?
Minha tv é 4:3 e meus dedos estão doloridos para arrumar a escala.
Corio C2 2250A
@@finalboss5545 Ciao! I wrote the settings that I used in the description, otherwise I didn’t adjust the vertical sync settings from the default XML file from Shmups. They are optimised for 16:9 so you would need to further configure for 4:3. The menu is difficult to navigate
@@MarcoRetro316 Consegui, mas esse negócio de 240p é trabalhoso.
Testando em uma tv de 21 polegadas e outra de de 38 são duas Sony, 21 Wega e 38 Trinitron de 2003 eu gostei mais das scanlines da Trinitron.
Muito obrigado e seus vídeos são obras de arte.
Poderia mesclar os Shaders do ReteoArch Mega Bezel e Cyberlab em Tvs Led e Oled.
How did you write a 480i output res? Was there one built in the file you loaded? I have a ct 400 and the file doesn’t have a 480i res.
It’s already there by default under the label NTSC for 60Hz and PAL for 50Hz
So I'm using a VSC 500 and not a Corio, but do you have any idea how these downscalers might be downscaling 1080i to 480i?
I just started working on a video featuring the Extron VSC 500 so I’ll hopefully have all answers in a few weeks
Thanks for the video, paisano. Very informative and interesting to watch. Do you plan to, or already have the RetroTINK 5X? I'm wondering if there's any lag there from 720p. I'm also wondering how will the Pixel FX one handle downscaling. Like you, I've become more interested in downscaling when it comes to those devices. And lol at the aspect ratio police, they are tough.
The aspect ratio and resolution police are on the prowl lol. I don’t plan on getting the Tink 5x but have watched RetroBobarino’s review which he showed only 3ms lag 720p to 240p! However… it’s so fast because it’s purely line dropping, making text and graphics a little jarring unless the game uses 2D pixel art. Whereas the Corio averages 720p lines on the bottom 2/3rds of the screen which preserve some detail but makes 2D art slightly blurry, pick your poison I guess. I’ve got a Dexx addon for the DE-10 on the way which will downscale 720p and 480p to 240p/480i so I’ll see if it behaves like the Tink5x. I’m also curious to know all the ins and outs about the Pixel FX Morph downscaling
Hey man, I know you're in a PAL country but I'm wondering if you can maybe help me figure out what scaler I should buy for my NTSC set.
I have a beautiful 4:3 NTSC 32" JVC D-Series AC-32D201 from August 2000 that outputs an astonishing 450 TV Lines using your Mario warp pipe calculation. This TV has component input for up to 480i and can handle excellent 240p via RGB SCART connection to Component adapter. (Sadly, like virtually all NTSC sets this JVC lacks SCART input directly).
I'd like to get a HDMI to Component downscaler that can go from 1080p to 240p, and ideally 480i and 480p as well though the real important output for me is 240p. I'm not especially bothered by aspect ratio but bonus points if that can be adjusted as well.
I see the adapter you have as a complex web of connections in this video. Anything a little more basic, that goes from 1080 to 240p simply from HDMI to YPbPr.
Currently, I am using a cheap HDMI to S-Video adapter for my Switch and that looks surprisinly good. I'm just sure that it's possible to get just that little bit extra goodness from Component downscaling to 240p over S-Video, hopefully.
I’d recommend a TVOne Corio in your scenario. In hindsight the multiple connectors I used wasn’t the best option although I’m not compelled enough to change it. You can feed HDMI straight to DVI and the Corio 750 has an audio passthrough option through DVI. I haven’t tried it myself but if audio doesn’t work then you could always fall back on the analogue VGA route. DVDO scalers can apparently downscale 1080p as well but I haven’t tried it out yet. Otherwise to date, these 2 are the only ones to downscale 1080p to 240p, without using some other scaler to drop to 480p to then feed into a GBSC
@@MarcoRetro316 Oh right, I forgot the Switch can be put into 480p mode. Okay. So assuming that, I would then need to drop HDMI 480p to Component 240p. That. What's the best device? A spcific name would be very useful. Thanks.
Unfortunately the HDMI to component scaler I’ve featured in the ‘gaming on a widescreen CRT’ video is old and I haven’t been able to find a link to it but that essentially up and downscales so I used to output 1080p to 480p into a GBS, then if I wanted 480i I would set the HDMI to component to 480i and GBS to pass-through. This Amazon Au listing describes very similar in and out resolutions, up and down scaling to my device but can’t guarantee it’ll work the same or if it’s internally identical. I’m yet to test lag and scaling but it worked fairly well with very rare occasions of screen tear.
Musou HDMI to 1080P Component Video (YPbPr) Scaler Converter Adapter with Coaxial Audio Output + R / L Audio Support Windows 10,Black amzn.asia/d/hJRAi5V
Firstly, thanks for your content. There is no way that I could perform these comparisons, so this is extremely helpful.
And if I could be so bold as to ask one more question - I have a 27" Sony with very low hours (I purchased new 25 years ago) that's waiting for an RGB mod.
But I'm also considering a 31" Sanyo with Component Video, which would deliver a 27" horizontal picture - even in 16:9.
However, based on the Service Manual, the Component-In is in 480i. What will happen if I feed that input a 249 signal? Would it automatically still upscale to 480i ?
Sorry, I am new to this whole CRT scene, so I am just starting to figure this out. Thanks for your help and patience.
Thanks! Unless the TV states 100/120Hz or 'HD' then it's safe to assume the Sanyo is 15KHz, so it should display 240p properly
I forgot to mention, and this is pretty important (aside from typing 249 instead of 240p previously), I am in the U.S. on the NTSC standard. AND, I am only outputting from a PC to any CRT.
I may even be able to create a custom resolution on my graphics card profiles. Any proprietary content would come from emulation (the HORROR!!). So I don't have the hurdles of sending different devices using different resolutions to my TV.
But I'm still concerned that a Component input that creates a 480i resolution will upscale my 240p signal to 480i on the 31" Sanyo.
Still watching your series to learn - thanks. But it dawned on me that maybe I can downscale via my graphics card before the frames are generated, since I don't have any consoles. I only have to worry about 480i upscaling on the Sanyo, not the Sony.
And if I'm playing a modern title, I can switch the Sanyo to 16:9, assuming that the aspect ratio is handled by the tube, not by digital processing.
If the TV is changing to 16:9 via digital processing, I THINK that there is a setting on the MiSTer FPGA to output in 16:9, so I might be able to sidestep that issue if it exists.
Does any of this sound reasonable, or do I sound like an illiterate, pretending to read what's on the page?
Makes perfect sense. You just need to be sure the Sanyo isn't an HDTV which can be done by using the 240p test suite and using the dropped shadow video test to see if it displays correctly. If you have a lightgun then this is another way to test. I haven't played with pc CRTEmudriver or equivalent but I plan to after I have finished with the downscaling series. Only some Mister FPGA cores can output 16:9 via the core menu. PS1 I know definitely can for 3D games. If the Sanyo is 100% an analog, SD TV then a 16:9 mode won't cause any processing, artefacts or lag
Hi, could you provide a 480i xml file preset link to download ? I can't find any on shmups forum (only 240p xml files)
They’re there from stock under the resolutions ‘NTSC’ and ‘PAL’
@@MarcoRetro316 It's ok that the default preset of NTSC 480i 60hz is showing the frame rate at 29,970hz?.PAL is the same thing but with 25.000hz.
@Gabriel-xi3sm yes that’s fine because the interlaced option will be set to ‘on’. As for why NTSC is 29.97 and not a perfect 30, the scaler is meant for video timings and modern displays expect 59.94Hz (effectively 60Hz). But you’d be hard pressed to notice a single errant frame stutter every so often if the source ran at a perfect 60Hz, I didn’t see any in my testing. But it shouldn’t be a problem to slightly alter the NTSC vertical refresh to a whole number, though I’d leave it as is.
Just install CRT Emudriver on a cheap PC. Don't fool with all this blurry, laggy Corio stuff.
All these pixel art games: TMNT, Bloodstained, Sonic Mania, are available on PC, and you can play them at native resolution, no scaling needed. Which of course means no lag either.
All you have to do is figure out the native resolution for each game, then make that custom resolution in Emudriver
Bonus for Sonic Mania is on PC it has a config file tweak that switches to 4:3 output, 320x240. The other games you have to set your CRT's raster to 16:9 (if you don't have a 16:9 CRT)
I agree it’ll look and play best on a PC with CRT Emudrive especially games like TMNT in 270p. The Corio serves its purpose in my setup for convenience and accessibility
@@MarcoRetro316 You're still having to mess with a lot of menus and test patterns on Corio, definitely not "plug and play" by any means. Emudriver isn't really any more difficult, though it has its own headaches that can pop up depending on the game.
Where I'll admit Emudriver is less accessible, is if you've already bought a game for Switch, and you want to play it on your CRT. You have to buy it again on PC. Sales are frequent though
@@lulkLogan Testei o Corio C2 - 2250A, liguei com PC e RetroArch e deixei em 240p.
Ficou simplesmente absurda a imagem.
Realmente as opções de scala da imagem são um pouco difíceis.
Mas depois fica absurdamente lindas.
And I'm all happy with my HDMI to composite video converter 🤣. Great video.
Thanks! If it’s your pineapple on pizza and it serves its purpose, there’s nothing wrong with that at all
I Have a GBS-C and use that to dowscale, and it works very well, although my tv is 4:3 so i dont think it's nice for content that it is not in 4:3. And it does not downscale to 480i, it only downscale to 240p, wich kinda sucks
GBS is a great 240p downscaler and prior to Rama’s CFW there were no cheap and accessible options. It is a shame 480i is missing and that it won’t accept higher than 480p. If modern consoles catered for 640x480 (4:3) then the downscaled video would fit 4:3 CRT’s nicely. I’ll cover this scaler as well in the coming months
Only thing i care about is the lag in movement and in sound and the readable text seems hard to get the text readable
You probably know but the retrotink 5x and 4k both downscale to 240p over hdmi using a hdmi to component such as the portta you have there.
Yes, I’m contemplating getting the 5x purely for review. I feel like Bob (RetroRGB) did a great job of showing it off with lag testing and demonstrating it’s line-dropping, so if I feel I can add any further value then I might. I’d have to fund the purchase myself but would love this series to be as comprehensive as possible
@@MarcoRetro316 They are both so expensive especially on our side of the pond. Got to sell a kidney. Lol
I had bought this exact same model a few months ago for the same purpose. Didn't know it could output 480i though due to everyone on shmups need for scanlines. Also didn't know how to save apect ratios to presets. All good to know. My main issue with it so far is light guns on xbox. Have you tried this yet?
It’s a great product, you get 3 ‘quick’ presets, 1 for power on, then the other 2 are accessible with the front preset buttons, otherwise the rest are selectable with the OSD. I love me some scanlines when I feel it’s appropriate but 480i looks great for modern games. I can pretty much guarantee it won’t work with lightguns given the lag as they need precise timings with the CRT. The guitar hero lag test is more of a human reflex test than anything. Dialling in aspect is a PITA but once optimised, you shouldn’t need to mess with it again
Not to sound like a noob, but can't the MiSTer FPGA deliver all of the scenarios that you want, without adding any lag (discounting the lag that's native to your widescreen digital processing)??
Those are the benefits that interest me the most - retro games in native resolution and modern games downscaled but still in 16:9, with no appreciable lag. Particularly for modern shooters...
(For example, when you were using the gyro in your controller, I could see the lag, though I've never used that feature, so maybe that's just the controller itself.
It's such a PITA trying to sort all of this stuff out. I just want the zero lag that I remember.
Not a noob question at all. The Mister FPGA plays relatively older consoles. Whereas this is downscaling an HD console to 15KHz. The FPS games on the switch are remastered to 16:9 so they're perfect for downscaling on a widescreen CRT. Lag is everywhere lol. The scaler, controller, sometimes even the game has lag 'baked in' the code
Testing again looks like all my comments are deleted..
Did you have links in the comments?
@@MarcoRetro316No I didn't .. I give up.. Everything gets deleted..
@RionRedemp83 sorry man, RUclips must be eating them up and nothing has comes through on my end
widescreen? what the fuck for?
We are part of the niche that gets overtalked into oblivion.
I’ve been trying so hard to find something that can convert modern signals to 1080i but no matter how I search everybody is trying to take smaller resolution inputs and convert them for their crappy Walmart Tv that has Roku built in.
Sometimes it’s impossible to find what we want because normies all want the same thing. They would rather watch 16k up-res’d versions of Star Wars original trilogy where the characters just look like Toy Story than dare to experience it as it was, grain and scratches galore. (They’d be shocked to know the movie is from the 1970s 🫢 don’t tell them)
They’re in a race to clean up the Mona Lisa until it’s just a 2000megapixel picture of some side-shaved SJW so they can feel better about their self 🤦🏼♀️
Sounds like you’re fighting a witch hunt there. You can use something like an Extron DVS/DSC to downscale say 1080p to 1080i. I’m sure the OSSC Pro could do this as well
@@MarcoRetro316I searched and found your device for $60 on average. During my search I happened upon a Hall Research scaler for $20!
It can take any input up to 1920x1200 and output all of the standard broadcast resolutions and many common PC resolutions. Therefore I am outputting a high resolution progressive image from my computer and my TV is receiving a 1080i signal. No issue whatsoever. It looks great.
@@MarcoRetro316I followed your advice and researched and found used items on eBay. I settled for a Hall Research HDMI to HDMI scaler. It can take anything up to about 1920x1200 and output all the standard resolutions: 480 NTSC, 720i, 720p, 1080i 60 or 50 Hz etc.
This works and allows me to use modern equipment with old TV’s!
@@billgates3699 glad you found something that works for your setup. I’ve never tried those but if you’re mainly converting HD video content to 480i then it sounds like a winner