It was really nice to see an interview with someone who has detransitioned that is not politically motivated or demonising the trans community! Thank you for sharing your story
I find as soon as someone brings up "cons" or "right-wingers" they're the ones making it political... a lot of people care about this issue with differing opinions who aren't into the political side. Otherwise, I have total compassion and appreciation for Cassie... interesting, nice and smart human being to listen to. I relate to growing up disphoric, but I'm 33 now so back then, I held on for dear life and ended up growing into myself after years passed (and with some work put into healing of course)... and yeah... I only wish Cassie the best from here on out!
the only politically motivated and demonising conversation thats happening when watching de-transitioning videos is the one in your head. those videos are triggering your own insecurities. its important to realise that A CHILD should not be making life altering decisions in any capacity, and nobody is demonising the trans community by saying that
Totally agree… usually. I felt like the host did a lot of the talking in the last 30mins. She has good insights but I wish Cassie got more time to share
“Trans kids deserve better than being fast tracked along this process and told this is the only way - because it isn’t the only way” This right here. This is so freaking important.
@@blindbandit9579 The number of children getting surgery is less than 1% 57 kids from 2019 to 2021. And 776 received top surgery. This rate has increased in the last two years. There are 71 million children in the us. This makes up less than a percent. A single percent. It’s extremely rare they doctors will approve surgery for children. Versus hormone blockers which can be stopped and is not permanent.
@@tee57515There are definitely permanent changes, for both blockers and hormones, whether these would be physical or mental. I support the trans community and even used to identify (when of course, I was only 10), but it’s disingenuous and harmful to those who are questioning or trans to say that there are no permanent effects. The process to get on these sorts of drugs should be more arduous and informed, since it could very well be that they cause a permanent change that effects the life of a person forever and leaves them with depression or suicidal ideation.
It does matter if people constantly change gender. It’ll have huge implications in regard to health. Females experience numerous health problems differently to males. The number one being heart attacks. In regard to crime, it’ll be impossible to measure crime statistics correctly; males commit more violent crimes than females. In regard self id, if any male can say he’s a woman that negates female only spaces because ANY male who says he’s a woman can access female only spaces. There are growing numbers are of cases of males claiming they’re women accessing females only spaces and assaulting females. It also endangers children because you’re demanding a child to go against his or her own instincts by forcing him or her to accept males, who are inherently more dangerous than females, as women.
I am 100% trans affirming but as a mom I could NEVER co sign medical transitioning that young !!! I would do everything in my power to help my child socially transition or become more comfortable in their body. Surgery at 14 is criminal imo.
as a mother of two boys, ive thought about it. how or what i would do. and id let him wear the clothes he wants, respect his feelings, but if he wanted surgery id have to say no. therapy, physical expression is ok but the rest HAS to wait.
Puberty blockers are a wonderful thing too if the child doesn’t mind having a late puberty, it gives the kid time to understand what they want for themselves
I am hugely supportive of the trans community, but a mastectomy at that age is bonkers to me. Your body isn’t even done developing at that age, it makes no sense to even do a reduction let alone a full removal at that age.
I had a breast reduction at 15 years old, let me tell you, it absolutely makes sense, when you're 1.54 cm, 50 kgs and 10% of your body weight is your boobs
it's medical malpractice not the fault of trans people, she said herself the consultation was only 15 minutes instead of the standard and that then they couldnt get in touch with their doctor for months afterward
I agree, whilst i fully support trans people and transitioning where wanted and needed, i feel 14 is such a young age to go through such a permanent change... whilst i understand the issues with dysmorphia, i think its better to live through a few yrs of discomfort and take a decision later on when it comes to permanent changes... at 14 a lot of teens are still trying to adjust to the changes their body is going through as a result of the onset of puberty...and not faulting this person, but as she said the adults and professionals around her who should have been more diligent in their decisions...
There is the problem. People being supportive of the trans community by upholding their flawed ideology. The guest states at 16:02 that "Non of the surgeries or hormones are going to make me a cis man" or what l would call a man. I agree and this is what we should be telling those children who believe this is so. One cannot change their gender. One can change their appearance but not their gender. In order to do so one will undergo major surgeries and become a life long medical patient. Whilst this is beneficial for the pharmaceutical companies it may not be so for the patient as all medications have side effects.
As a trans man it’s really good to hear a story about detransitionig that isn’t making the trans community out as the bad guys, and just about someone’s story on their gender identity
People who say they’re non binary are just oppression opportunists. Most people feel a bit masculine sometimes or a bit feminine sometimes, but they don’t call themselves non binary. The majority of non binary people are white affluent people. Morally they’re amongst the lowest of the low because they see oppression as a way of advancing their needs. Disgusting.
Yes!! Absolutely insane that a child was allowed to go on testosterone which changed her voice forever amd changed the size of her genitals, a child could request a surgery to get both breasts removed for FREE as she said Medicaid paid for it. And now at 17, still a child, was allowed to make plans to get a series of 4 or 5 reconstructive surgeries to reverse the breast removal for FREE. Just shocked.
@@katcankan7129 - Haha... YES! That was before the diabolical Democrat party was hi-jacked by extreme, radical, progressive, ideologs who promote and endorse liberalism which is nothing more than the normalization of immoral and unethical behaviors...
I love that the guests are given a a platform to be heard. The host is fantastic! It’s amazing that the host only speaks when it is helpful! This interview was educational. My hope is that they keep sharing their story and their point of view.
Allowing a child to dictate their own healthcare is NEVER a good idea in any situation. It’s outrageous to me that a 14 year old could, who can’t legally drive a car, can’t legally buy alcohol, can’t legal join the military could be allowed to get a double mastectomy
This whole interview just screams to why we need more funding and resources for trans health. Patients each individually deserve the time and resources to make the best most educated decisions for them. Gender is very complicated and transition is individual to the person. There’s truly so much variation between even people with the same labels. If being trans weren’t so politicized and polarized, people would more easily be able to access the resources to help them figure themselves out. Trans kids deserve safe and up to date healthcare. Kids who are figuring themselves out deserve the time and space to do that without pressure.
i really felt for her immediately when she talked about how early she hit puberty and wondering what role being uncomfortable in her body from such a young age played, there is psychology research showing that being a girl who hits puberty early can be really challenging because the kids your age will make fun of you and then older boys and men start creeping on you, of course you feel extremely uncomfortable in your body and with breasts especially big ones which can cause back and other health problems like with breathing too :( poor baby. and i feelt when she said she doesn't like being perceived as a man or a woman cause thats me and it has taken me a long time to deconstruct in my own mind the feeling of "oh i look too much like a woman" today and hating that. but there's no one body assigned to any gender and man and woman are made up categories and being nonbinary is so free. its not my problem if someone sees me and thinks "woman," thats their own closed-mindedness. but it took so much hard work to unlearn that and im almost 30 now shes only 18 so i hope she gives herself grace and is kind and goes easier on herself a little bit
I told my boyfriend the same thing. The moment your the girl with big breasts other girls mAke fun of you or say your stuffing your bra. Any man in your life starts commenting on how “much you’ve grown” but they aren’t talking about getting taller because you can see where there eyes are looking when they say it. Boys who never talked to you or even were horrible to you start acting weird and it’s SO CONFUSING when you’re already concerned about the new hair and everything else going on with your body. I remember my boobs came in over a freaking weeekend and I didn’t wear a bra yet, and I got bullied so badly and a gym teacher asked me about wearing a bra in front of other people. It’s hard enough being a kid. And then you realize your not a little kid anymore it’s a lot. I wore baggy clothes and was a “Tom boy” because I thought it made life easier if no one saw me as a girl at all.
im 25 and i identify as non-binary. i have dysphoria around my chest and this helped me realize that i need to get a breast reduction before deciding whether i want a double mastectomy. thank you for telling your story.
or ur just androgynous girl. why do u hate women so much? does identifying as 'non binary" help anything? ur solving the wrong problem. maybe u just needed smaller boobs but society got u fuked up
@@lpycb42i understand you wanted it to be a genuine questions. But when you use words like “mutilating” it comes across disingenuous. Because their are women that get surgeries on their chest, for illness reasons, and that completely changes the narrative of what’s happening. It’s not mutilating. I’m most cases, it is a medical necessity. Bc mental health is medical. So if you’d like to learn more, please keep an open mind. Bc just bc it’s something you haven’t experienced, doesn’t mean it’s not valid. Just be glad you don’t have to know first hand, and you haven’t experienced any of the factors that go into chest surgeries.
i’m so glad that i found this. i am trans masc and have been wanting to learn about detransitioners so i can educate myself about other experiences and possibilities that may occur in my life. however, every time i tried to research i was confronted with so much transphobia. though it may sound contradictory, hearing her story has made me feel way more certain in transitioning for myself. it is incredibly refreshing to hear someone detransition and still support trans people. obviously, i wish she didn’t have to go through all the pain and trauma but i’m glad she’s in a better place now and able to help others
I hate that you've been finding so much transphobia but I would say that it could be helpful to listen to these detransitioners stories as well, there's a common thread through these stories (most have been failed by therapists and medical professionals). I wish you luck on your life journey and hope you can get all the support you need.
@@fancydeer thank you 🫶 i’ve had my share of negative experiences with medical professionals (though in the opposite direction, i’ve been dismissed and ignored) and hate that so many people have experienced it. i try to learn about detransitioners when i have the mental capacity to sort through transphobic stuff, and it’s really cool to hear different experiences, even when they are largely painful for the person. knowing that they can share and i can learn and reflect on myself is nice
I have watched many detransitioners stories and have yet to see one where they demonize or bash trans people. it's the trans community that bashes, demonizes, and tries to silence detransitioners.
in general i think puberty can be such a scary and traumatizing time in life, especially for people who are afab. i remember feeling sooooo uncomfortable in my own skin when developing my chest, and so sexualized despite never having any negative experiences with other people. i hated the sensation and how it made me feel. i never noticed the social divide between girls and boys, until it became instilled in school/media/etc; having traditionally masculine traits and interests made me feel like i didn't fit in, not socially but on a much deeper level. that combined with stress, hormones, and undiagnosed depression and PCOS made for very confusing and tumultuous teenage years, despite ultimately being a cis woman, although i don't really identify with that. it took me until my mid 20s to feel comfortable in my own skin and realize, for me personally, my body isn't inherently sexual or shameful and how others perceive me doesn't matter or define who i am. i don't mean to discredit anyone else's experiences, just giving my own! i feel like there is such an immense pressure on teens, even moreso now with social media, to know who they are and be confident in that; it's okay to not know!
i relate, i just commented about the puberty part!! and i have pcos too which i wonder sometimes if that affects my feelings about my gender. some people say pcos can count as an intersex medical condition. you dont have to identify as a woman if you don't want to! i call myself genderqueer, agender, genderfluid and sometimes i identify as a fem person but rarely, mostly i just dont think of myself as being gendered at all.
@@bebooo0 i've heard that as well! pcos is super underdiagnosed, too, i have so many friends who also have it that weren't diagnosed until their mid 20s. i think learning about it really helped me understand myself. the fact that it's literally a hormonal imbalance of estrogen/testosterone makes a lot of sense in how it would affect feelings of gender. i suspect more information and more diagnoses of pcos would help a lot of people struggling with this, cis, trans, or otherwise. i don't mind being referred to as a woman these days, gender isn't important to me personally, in fact i feel kind of empowered knowing all of this is just part of what makes me who i am
Thank you so much for sharing your experience, because I never hear people talk about this. Everyone says that womanhood is beautiful, but my afab puberty was so traumatic for me internally, externally, socially, and physically. And though I identify as a demi-girl the whole concept of girl/woman-hood is very scary (and almost unwanted to new). I am not yet in my 20s so, hearing your story gives me hope that I’ll feel better and more comfortable. So thank you for this
This. there's so much shame society puts on afab people especially teenagers for no reason. It's such a confusing time, especially for little girls who never really considered themselves girls or considered boys and girls to be different. Having society shame you for something you have no control over and being sexualized so young is just disgusting and it makes you feel gross but you don't know *why* you just do.
As a trans man, I really believe kids should wait until they are adults to make a hormonal change decision or at least extend therapy even longer with all the explanations of effects just in case. Great video!
I saw the title and immediately was disappointed, thinking the guest was going to be pushing harmful right-wing ideologies. I’m so glad I watched because not only was I wrong, I learned about a bias that I didn’t know I had and I got to challenge it! This was such a powerful story, thank you for sharing ❤
Sadly, I thought this video was about what you thought it originally was about. Right-wing ideology of transgenderism and detransitioners are right, and the fact this person who went through all this is still supportive of a transgenderism is so sad. They are helping to cause more mutilations and more people to ruin their lives under harmful left-wing ideology.
i relate this girl SO much, i thought i was trans, ftm, for 5 years (13-18) and literally right after i turned 18 i kind of realized it wasnt JUST gender dysphoria causing me so much pain and anxiety, but lots of other mental illnesses. (i actually pushed gender dysphoria on myself by trying to fit into the 'masc' box as a curvy, large chested and short girl) now im almost 20 and i just identify as non binary but often refer to myself as a girl. I still have some dysphoria and want to do some transitioning but im taking my time and making sure i dont do anything im not sure of :)
why dont you just consider yourself to be a woman? Why do you have to identify as non-binary? Wasnt one of the biggest factors of feminism being that woman can look/act/dress however they please without being disqualified as a woman?
That’s so weird because I am kinda dealing with the same thing. I’m a woman who’s got some curves and i wear a lot of baggy clothes - which made me feel gender dysphoria. For a little bit I considered that I might not be a woman, but then I realized when I dressed in ways that wasn’t hiding my body, or when I wasn’t trying to be masc, i felt better about myself because I felt like I was actually succeeding in a presentation of myself. And it happens that I like presenting feminine. All this stuff is so weird and complicated, people and our relationship with our gender identities.
@@anava7030 there are different ways to be a woman and to be feminine. I feel like we aren't talking about that as much and we're trying to put people in "male" and "female" boxes when that's not the case. There's as many ways to be a woman as there are women in the world. The same for men. It's not about fitting what society says a woman should be, it's about fitting what makes you feel right and comfortable.
i completely get this! i personally have and was diagnosed after many years of counseling with gender dysphoria, but only a few years back i realized i didnt need to throw myself into a box. my gender doesnt have to fit the mold of man or woman, and i can be happy being called whatever. it’s a big discovery process ❤️
what an amazing + brave guest to talk about their lived experience! it was so refreshing to hear this topic being discussed without politics getting involved, just a real human sharing their real human journey. i wish cassie nothing but the best!!
This is absolutely her truth, but I worry that uninformed individuals will think this is how ALL doctors treat their transgender patients. I've almost never heard of anyone able to access surgery this fast / this young, and only about 1% of transgender individuals regret transitioning (one of the LOWEST regret rates in all of plastic surgery). Thank you for sharing your story.
I do support them in their journey and than you so much for not putting trans people down while sharing your experince, but some things dont align with my experince with getting top surgery and someone i know getting a masectomy for cancer, I think the experince with a bad surgeon at least isnt the norm now, most of them have you see a mental health profesional before getting the surgery. Also, the breast reconstruction is the same as you decirbed for a mascetomy for cancer reasons. I also didnt get nipple grafts but i do have sensation expt for the scars (your outfit is also so good i love the yellow!!!)
@@popopodongI think they were just correcting some misinformation shared by the guest. There was no disrespect or really any comparison intended, just speaking about the medical procedures.
Delayed reconstruction in breast cancer patients is similar to that of detrans women, but the currently most common type of breast cancer reconstruction is immediate, meaning they place the implants at the same time as the mastectomy. And breast cancer patients who don’t choose to reconstruct immediately most often have skin-sparing mastectomies, meaning they leave the pocket of skin that held the breast tissue intact so reconstruction can be completed in one surgery, without tissue expanders. My surgery will be similar to that of a breast cancer patient who had an aesthetic flat closure, meaning they remove all the extra skin.
I truly feel that so many autistic girls are being failed by the system. We still don't understand us well enough. Bless her heart and her ability to reflect on her life with so much insight and maturity.
for clarity: there is nothing wrong with detransition or detransitioners. they need love and support and to be heard and listened to. trans people need support too. there is no villain here except bigotry.
@@ql6588 if the narrative is ever “this person detransitioned, therefore nobody should be able to transition”, then yeah, fuck that narrative and it should not be platformed. i said what i said.
Good question. As a girl, I could see being extremely uncomfortable with developing breasts or starting your period at a young age but I don’t think she would’ve gotten the idea that she should be a boy if it wasn’t for social media
i‘m a 17 yr old trans dude (don‘t have hormones or other things yet) and i can tell you that i personally felt those „gender isssues“ before habing access to social media and before puberty even. Idk about her tho
I think the issue with an age limit is that there are so many kids who will not live til that age limit because of their struggle with the body they're in. It's a very tough situation to navigate. I don't think it should necessarily be fast tracked but I do think feelings should be validated.
i agree that there will never be a clear cut answer. i knew i was trans at 13, and i mean i /knew/. i cut my hair and began wearing my dad's clothes, and this was when being trans was almost unheard of for eighth graders. i'm 21 now, still trans. what i would do to go back in time and be able to start hormones at 14. so much time i spent in pain would never have happened. but that's not the same for everybody. people can truly go through a phase of believing they're trans, when it's just a phase. if i ever have a child that realized they're trans at the age i did, i'm not sure what i'll do. giving or denying is a gamble for causing a child pain
this also happens to normal mastectomy's one of my moms best friend lost her nipples due to breast cancer that later took her life. The mental stress of it was so hard for her and for cancer patients with her insurance reconstructive plastic surgeries and tattooing weren't covered sadly.
Wow. Do you by any chance know if it's still not covered? Obviously in the cases where a mastectomy saves the person's life, losing a breast is preferable to dying but, a woman's breast play such a large part in feeling & looking womanly & feminine... I can't imagine the emotional rollercoaster of almost losing your life, undergoing an invasive & dangerous surgery & then having to learn how to live with the scar & loss of your breasts.... Especially if the cancer only progresses.... I feel like insurance companies probably make enough money to help cancer survivors by covering reconstructive surgeries but, what do I know?
@@DarlingDaintyfoot I'm not sure exactly but they had insurance with a good company in California about 8 years ago, they considered it cosmetic and not necessary for quality of life... I agree as a woman it would take a toll especially with being intimate. And it's frustrating that it happened. I pray that has been fixed because mental health is important when it comes to quality of life in my opinion.
@DarlingDaintyfoot back in MA in 2012 it also wasn't covered. My aunt had breast cancer had had to save for years to be able to cover her own out of pocket. I don't know about modern times, but it was sad to see her so upset
This type of thing is why it's SO important to not be a Trans medicalist. Do not pressure people into medical transition no matter their gender. If people are more accepting of gender diversity beyond just the physical presentation of someone's body, there will be much less pressure to change that body. As your gender evolves, you won't have to undo medical procedures.
As someone less than a month away from top surgery, this interview was really hard to listen to, but so so valuable. It can be hard to hear detrans people talk about their experiences and actually listen to what they say because of the way its been used against the community. Detrans people should have access to the same care and community that we all need. Thank you for sharing your story, wishing you all the best 🖤
Congratulations!! It is so sad to me that the political agendas of others has made it more difficult for us to hear the stories of others, because there is the threat of manipulation. Good luck with your surgery!
This is then only podcast where the more she keeps talking, shes not just spewing filler bs, everything you said was real, very gentle to this guests feelings, and I appreciate your attention to detail a lot. This conversation brought me to tears.
@@jannafranco5623 of course they are internally uncomfortable as well. I was just pointing out that the chair seems a miss as far as a choice. Why not give the guests the option to get more physically comfortable - room to curl up or put their feet up - as the host is able to do right in front of her guest.
“you’re not wrong for not being better for it, but other people aren’t wrong for being better for it.” there were so many great quotes in this episode (the whole thing was really good), but this is one of my favorites. making the wrong choice for yourself is a human right, and it’s okay to realize that the thing that helped someone else didn’t help you.
Seriously...these doctors are medicalizing gender stereotypes....we are better than that. We finally stepped away from stereotypes, why are they back? Let men be fem with surgeries, let women be masc without surgeries. Be nonconforming without surgeries. Why are we pushing surgeries as the only path of true self acceptance? 😢
The guest made it seem like their parents just agreed out of nowhere to cut their child's breasts and place them on hormones. I think the parents did everything right in supporting their children to the best of their abilities. I am sure it was difficult to hear constantly from their child that they are in the wrong body and see them try to cut their breast with a butcher knife. They visited several professionals and therapists and they trusted the doctor's analysis which also seemed to have matched what they have experienced at home with their child.
@@lucysingh506lucy, dear lucy, cassie’s experience is EXTREMELY RARE and does not happen as much as you may think. reputable surgeons do not perform surgeries on monors. 18+ only. hormones may be given to teens, but only after extensive screening by professionals. most often, theyll just get puberty blockers which are 100% REVERSIBLE.
@@epickody3924yet trans activists still find a way to silence them
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As someone who used to have social anxiety, I just want to thank you so much for doing the effort to make every single interview such a safe space for everyone. It's not an easy thing to do, yet you achieve it everytime 💞
This story was so powerful. Thank you to this beautiful guest for having the courage to share. I am completely shocked by the medical system or parents allowing children to transition. Not to say it’s wrong, but too early. I can’t relate to the that but I can relate to an example on a much smaller scale. When I turned 18 I got tattoos. At that stage in my life, I was so set on it. I immediately regretted it and got stuck marking my skin permanently. Sometimes we feel that something outside ourselves will be the answer. Her point to heal first, take your time, allow life to show you the decision is so spot on. For a decision that is permanent, I think someone has to live a bit before making that decision. A child is not able to make it and unfortunately we have adults and some parents that are not protecting them.
You cant compare this to getting a tattoo. Many trans people feel that something is not "right" from a very early age. Everyone is different and thus should be treated individually.
Only comparing the fact that it is permanent. We have age limits of consent for many things because a child should not be placed in a situation to make a PERMANENT decision that they may regret or may feel differently later on.
@@Teez395 its not permanent. a lot of the effects within the first 3 months are reversible. some trans women and transfemme people wait to go on bc theyre unsure if they want to preserve the ability to have kids. if children are unsure if transition is right for them they can take puberty blockers (at the start of puberty) which are entirely reversible
@@Teez395 I agree that we should have age limits, for example I think 14 is too early for a full on breast removal. I think 16 would be a much more appropriate age for those with gender dysphoria who have been through therapies to seek treatment. The gender affirming clinics I’ve seen recently stress the importance of not trying to push for surgical interventions or any sort of outcome. To help the child come to an understanding as true to themselves about their gender identity, asking about history of any abuse, do they feel pressured by their peers, how long have they felt this way, how do they feel internally etc. Checking for other life factors. Questioning about how they feel being a gender non-conforming girl/boy, non-binary identities, etc. It’s very sad that she didn’t receive that kind of explorative care. I also would try to get a second opinion as well. The World Professional Association for Transgender Health, which sets global best practices for transition care, recommends “extensive exploration of psychological, family, and social issues” prior to any physical interventions for young people. Along with significant counseling and a psychological assessment.
As a trans-guy who started medically transitioning at 16 (back in 2011), there were soooo many hoops to jump through even as a minor. Now, that doesn’t seem the case. There’s countless issues on the spectrum of care, between threatening parents to not allow their children to access gender affirming care, to just giving a script for HRT within one appointment. It really helped me by being required to see a speciality therapist for over a year before even knowing what direction was my goal, but I worry about creating hard limits and how it limits life saving care for someone else. Such a challenging topic from so many people to discuss, kudos to them, for being able to discuss their personal journey. I commend your courage in finding your own path forward to make yourself comfortable.
Autistic people experience more gender dysphoria than neurotypical folks and I believe many do identify themselves as non-binary. I think that's something we need to study more and professionals who work with gender affirming care need to have some autism knowledge too.
it's unbelieve how everyone's supposed to fit within an identity/role that is socially constructed, it works for most people but humans are far too complex to be boxed into two catergories. big ups to her for having the courage to share and for being so articulate at such a young age!!
Except the two categories in real life are male and female, and those aren't limiting anymore than the fact we have two arms is limiting, it is what it is. Nature is what it is, biology is what it is. You get what you get and you don't get upset, you know? The modern gender ideology movement has tightened the constricrions of man and women through these very immature relations of biology and social roles. Wanting to wear a dress as a boy doesn't make you a girl. Playing with boys as a young girl doesn't make you a boy. Feeling self conscious of your breasts as a woman doesn't make you a man. Feeling "euphoric" at the thought of being a woman if you are a man doesn't make you a woman, it probably just means you have a fetish that you need to work through.
this is why i dont fully understand trans community, it feels like they re affirm traditional sterotypes, like how girls dress how men dress, to me the point is that there is no such things? i feel like they re affirm toxic and traditional gender roles.
I think that the US has the worst of both worlds in a case because the political attacks on trans people existing and wanting to eradicate them and hurt them is beyond cruel and crazy but on the other hand it also is too """easy""" in some cases to transition without proper care... but then also it can be a question of transition or suicide for some kids so it's just so difficult on all fronts. i wish nothing but love and healing to all trans kids who can't transition and those who were given the wrong care too early as well
@@thaismitraud6901it's not. They have the exact same issue in Canada and the UK. The only difference between privates paying for it vs the government paying for is that in the second case you're making others complicit in your mutilation.
@@macarenarrieta the fact that you believe us having the freedom to do what we want with our bodies is "mutilation" makes it clear that you are not approaching this conversation seriously and your politics are completely driven by you feeling that trans people's bodies are disgusting and disfigured
@@thaismitraud6901 This is actually a great reason for private for-profit healthcare. I dont want my tax dollars to be spent on transgenderism and I would sadly be forced to in other formats of healthcare.
I am a woman’s who was also born with a large chest, you learn to hate it quickly. I remember adults jokingly sexualizing my body from as young as 6th grade, sickening looking back. I remember hatin my body and feeling the need to change it so I expirmented with binding and cross dressing, in the end I decided I was just depressed and unhappy with myself and I need to learn to love how I am because no magic pill or surgery was going to change it. I have trans friends and still support them fully, I just try to warn people transitioning to really self explore before doing anything that’s permanent
that's incredible to me as a woman who had the exact opposite experience, and felt like I was never "womanly" enough with a small chest. just goes to show we are all miserable about our bodies at one point of our lives, and learning to see your body for what it is, a vessel to experience life, is the only way out. happy to know you're happy now
“i just try to warn people transitioning to really self explore before doing anything that’s permanent” i hope you know that that’s what we have to do regardless. trans youth rarely begin to medically transition. it a phenomenon that is not as present as one may think. instead, what our transitions look like at that age is different name, different clothes, different haircut. some may be put on puberty blockers, which are 100% reversible as they simply block puberty and the moment they are stopped puberty resumes. they had been used on cis kids who begin puberty far too early originally. but back to my point, majority of trans kids are experimenting with their gender identity, all of which is nothing permanent and is encouraged. it is rare that they are allowed to transition so young medically.
I'm trans(ftm) I'm a freshman in highschool and I began this when I was 10 I have not started testosterone or had surgery and I want to wait but I am so impatient this video was EXTREMELY HELPFUL
I would see a good therapist first and reflect on childhood, parents, experiences. It's extremely difficult to accept being a woman. Puberty is difficult psychologically and physically. Unwanted sexual attention from males is extremely traumatizing. Social expectations are disgusting. A lot of girls reject their femininity and it's natural. It's important to know that society doesn't define womanhood. You can define it yourself. You don't have to look feminine, you don't have to be sexual, you don't have to get married, have children, etc. Being a woman is not about external attributes like dresses or make up. It's not about genitals or breasts either. It's about being strong, confident, intuitive, empathetic, etc. Women face a lot of challenges in life and it's all about finding the strength to be yourself and do what you love.
i was in your shoes before and @thecommonchums3937 is right. it's hard being a woman and it's hard to accept that, but becoming a man won't magically fix everything, for everyone. Find a good therapist (that doesn't just tell you everything you want to hear), and find other issues you may have. For me, it was undiagnosed mental health issues, and internalized misogyny.
I’ve been weary ever since she had that clairvoyant woman on who said she was predicting an upcoming genocide against Jewish people having to do with the 2024 election. I’m open minded, this channel has been helpful for me with some videos, but I worry about where this is going. I guess we will see
@@Yourmomdotcomdotnet I get that, to be fully honest the sad truth is this video could be very nuanced and everything can be well articulated. However the tittle alone could draw in the wrong crowd. I shall hope for the best.
this woman’s parents FAILED her as a little girl. what competent, decent, caring parent allows their daughter coming out of 8th grade to get a FULL MASTECTOMY???? doctors didn’t do the right thing, but where tf were her guardians???😢
This doctor along with their parents need to be in jail. This is deeply saddening. I dressed masculine from 11-14 too. Back in the day it was called “Tom boy”. I’m a lot of cases this is just a phase. Your brain isn’t developed enough to be making these decisions. 😭😭 I’m not saying transitioning is bad. AT LEAST 18 should be the legal age for sure.
The biggest threat to people being put in a situation where they feel they have to transition or do something a specific way is transphobia. There is no one way to transition, there should never been this forced "show of commitment" that cisgender people like to push. We should be allowed to stop, go, and slow down every second we please and do things our way. Including being cisgender. Every single person deserves the right to expressing their gender how they see fit without pressure to perform
Great interview! Honestly the only one thing to blame when it comes to the ‘model female or male’ should be, is the Media - magazines, Tv, movies, social media, etc - and look how far it has come where people hate who they are so much bc they don’t fit a certain look or identity - if you identify as something other than your birth identity, then absolutely but so many, like this interview, have done it bc technically, they didn’t ‘fit in with society’ - it is so sad, so many lives lost and peoples lives hurt and destroyed - you cannot choose what and how you came into this world and who gives a fuck what others think…wish more thought this way…
yes exactly! I think probably the most insidious one might be p r0 n... that's where I most compared myself growing up (and it's way too accessible to young ones).
hey friend, ive worked with many breast cancer patients and more and more of them are now having their nipples/areolas tattooed instead of another surgery. its a less invasive option. just wanted to share :)
She's not making the point she thinks she's making. She's a good example of why transitioning should be banned before 18 years old. She didn't have the information or maturity to handle this situation. She's still emotionally immature.
I respect her bravery for sharing. I think she's still in the stage of denial about the trans decisions. She said she doesn't regret what testosterone did to her voice because she said she enjoys her voice being low like this. Then she later says she can't stand hearing her own voice. I understand she's still young and still has a lot of mental growth ahead. I think she should continue to share her story. It takes guts to do this.
She expressed it much softer, that she doesn't like to hear it played back, acknowledging that that is universal (for everyone). And it is. Very very few people find their voice comfortable to listen to, because it sounds different than one hears it, when played back. But yeah, I also see a struggling person. And a very very brave one as well.
@@PrinzEisenkarpfe I like the way my voice sounds, even recorded. I don’t think everyone is uncomfortable with the sound of their own voice. We know many of our leaders and celebrities enjoy the sound of their own voices. Why shouldn’t I?
You're so brave for coming on an interview to speak on this.❤❤Wishing you strength, and happiness to continue strong on your life journey❤️✨️✨️You are beautiful and your life matters!!🫶🏾
It is alarming to hear that the only 'solution' to gender disphoria is going straight to these extreme surgeries. Lets not run before we walk. Professionals need to take the time, money & resources to discuss & implement other avenues towards helping people that think & feel this way before crossing lines that are hard or impossible to come back from, especially where children are concerned. I can't get on board with gender affirming surgery being a green light on anybody under the age of 18.
@@epickody3924Thank God for that, but the fact is even with the minority of these teenagers who have been butchered, they still deserve to have people in their corner making sure that no one else suffers.
This insight is so central "I wanted to be a cis man". Realizing that one would have preferred to be born a different sex is a very different thing than now, given that one wasn't born that way, wanting to become a trans man, it's different deals! This insight was crucial for me, too.
I am so, so, so relieved that gender affirming care didn’t exist when I was going through puberty. I was a SUPER early bloomer (C-cups at 11, it was awful) and very much a tomboy. I was into cars and snakes and had no conception of style or makeup or anything like that. I didn’t fall in love with my femininity until about halfway through college in my early 20s, and now I love my figure, I love doing my makeup, taking care of my skin and hair, etc etc. I’m certain that if I’d had access to gender affirming care (and Twitter) when I was a young teen, I would’ve been encouraged to transition, and I probably would have. But I didn’t resent being female; I resented having a woman’s body but still being a child. I resented being told that girls have to look a way and like certain things, when in reality interests and aesthetics have no sex or gender. I understand that gender affirming care saves a lot of young trans kids’ lives, but there NEED to be more checks and double-checks in order for kids to get access to this kind of care. No one knows what they want for themselves at 12/13/14, and it sucks that we’re making lifelong medical patients out of kids who are just confused about their own identities. :(
These sugeries are not free. Tax paying people that may be incredibly against children being medically harmed by these pushed surgeries help pay for them.
I’m so confused when I hear some trans people versus others/de-transitioners. One end I’ll hear stories like this where a 14 year old was so easily able to get a surgery like that…then on the other side, I’ve heard stories and also know a trans person who has been waiting FOUR YEARS to even be able to get a consultation, roadblock after roadblock and they would say it’s anything but easy. Maybe it’s the state you’re in, idk.
there are a variety of factors that go into it. another is also parental support. many of is have unsupportive parents. or we cannot afford it. or the doctors found are not reputable, as only the reputable ones will refuse surgeries on those under 18.
I think it's mostly parents. I'm trans and getting on hormones soon while in college , 7 years after I figured out that I'm trans. My parents are completely anti, so I'm not telling them
I am absolutely amazed at what this pod cast has become. You are doing such a phenomenal job! I loved the podcast before the change, and I love it just as much now! It’s so different, but in the best way possible! I love you dev🩷
I think society just needs to start talking to young adults about puberty and how it is normal to all develop differently and to learn to embrace your body as it is instead of insisting on changing those things. Sex education should be about what happens during puberty, how to control your emotions esc... I think when these children come into the doctors, if the kid hasn't been talked to about this stuff then they need to be taught. I seem to hear alot that girls just didn't want breast because their peers weren't getting them yet and that made them have body dysmorphia. Also obviously if a child had gone through sexual trauma that issue needs to be discussed and resolved before any discussion or a transition. Alot of detransitioners I have heard speak have had sexual trauma prior to wanting transitions.
I believe doctors who perform these surgeries on minors need to be sent to the deepest pits of hell. Permanently helping these children self harm at such a young age should be criminal. Doctors don’t want to let women get their tubes tied if they don’t want children cause they might change their mind, but children can decide and make a decision that will forever impact them for the rest of their lives
I think we need to have more gender therapists trained to gauge if transitioning physically is the solution. There are other gender affirming steps that can be taken before surely. And not just from a binary perspective
most gender therapists require you to be living socially as your chosen gender for at least a year before approving medical transition, its a shame that there are doctors who go outside of the standard that has been widely approved by many medical bodies
This was determined in the 70s when all of the gender clinics that were established in the 50s closed down due to research findings proving that transition didn't help the people coming to these clinics, in fact it made things worse. Yet somehow, in the past 20 years we see the same thing play out.
The fact that you think it shouldn’t is astounding. They paid for them to be removed, why should it be up to me to pay to get them back? I’m on food stamps and living with who disabled adults, if it wasn’t covered I would never be able to afford it. The fact you think I should have to suffer for the rest of my life because of a mistake I made at 14 is astounding. The lack of empathy is real.
@@cassidy7315 the lack of accountability is unreal 😂 if there’s something about my body that I don’t like, I have to save up the money and pay for it out of my own pocket. Why would us be any different with a transgender person?? Take some responsibility for your own actions and pay for your detransitioning out of your OWN POCKET.
@@paigekiersten5198you weren’t taken advantage of as a child by a predatory for-profit industry into removing organs. It’s not that I “don’t like” my body, it causes severe psychological distress and has caused me to be hospitalized. It’s different for me and for transgender people because we have a recognized psychological condition. Have fun paying for my tits lol 😘
I’m a trans 17 year old and this information is so helpful, i think all people considering medical transition should watch this. I never even thought about some things mentioned and it really opens up my perspective. Thank you for coming on this interview, usually i avoid detransition interviews because they repeat the same stuff from the same people but this persons opinions are new and nice to hear.
Wow! As a trans man I had no clue it could be that easy to transition in the US. I knew it was easier but this is leaving me stunned. In Denmark you need to be 18, be on T for at least 6 months (and have healthy stable levels), etc. it’s heartbreaking to hear a surgeon would do this. I don’t think ANY surgical consultation should take fifteen minutes! Having the minimum age be 18 in Denmark SUCKED when I was below 18, but 14 is absolutely too young to make such a big decision. Children live more in the “now”, and they often can’t understand the ramifications of choices like this. I’m also baffled there was never any mention of breast reduction! It’s a tough decision as well, but should at the very least have been discussed. Not sure what the age should be, and maybe there should be exceptions made, but we really need to do better. As for identifying as trans in the past and being told you weren’t, I think that’s bullshit. It’s not a black/white issue. It’s up for you to decide.
They were told similarly to me that transitioning was the only thing that would ease the acute psychological distress I was experiencing. “Would you rather have a dead daughter or a trans son” and such.
Cassie you did a great job explaining this. I’m sure lots of people watching this who we’re not sure what they want to become man or woman the way you explained you might just be confussed at this time will get someone to really think before they make a final decision . Good luck to you in the future your wonderful❤️👌👍
i dont think enough ppl talk about how a LOT of young girls feel this way growing up. we reject puberty because look at how women are treated around us? whether in the real world, or in fiction/media. a lot of girls are more likely to be chronically online in these kinds of spaces. it's NORMAL to hate your body growing up and during puberty. i went through this "i want to be a boy" thing for yrs as a teen. now im girly as all hell. yes, some will turn out to be trans, but the majority wont and thats okay. having phases are a part of growing up. if i went thru w a surgery when i felt this way at 15, my life would be over.
I came into this so worried that this was going to demonize the reputation of the trans community even further, I'm pleasantly surprised. Love the work y'all do.
Anyone under the age of 18 shouldn’t be able to transition just like you can’t get a tattoo, vote, join the military, buy cigarettes or alcohol. A minor shouldn’t be making big decisions like “changing their gender” when they are still figuring out who they are and their purpose. Everyone knows puberty and school is a tough time, but that’s where a parents job comes in to guide and teach their children to love yourself as you were wonderfully & purposefully created. It’s important to show the sacredness and beauty in womanhood. It’s important to look inward and heal your mental health. You can support your child, but you as a parent have to protect and set limits on how much you can allow & enable. Especially nowadays with social pressures/contagion from social media, older peers, friends and family manipulating young confused impressionable minds. At that age you’re not thinking critically about the information you’re perceiving and understanding. The world tells you if you’re a male and feel more feminine or you’re a female and feel more masculine you are trans is a massive problem.
There's a big difference between social and medical transitioning. Trying out a nickname or dressing differently is perfectly fine for a child and if they change their mind, there's no issue. I agree that *medically* transitioning (except for hormone blockers, which aren't exclusively used for trans kids) should probably wait until they are 18.
@@nicoles2159 exactly most treatment is puberty blockers which is completely reversible no surgery involved. the case describe here sounds like medical malpractice, not the fault of trans people!! she said herself the doctor only met w them for 15 minutes and then they could'nt even get in touch with the doctor for months after. how awful.
@@alex-iu6rj Yes suicide is a tragedy no matter if it’s from depression or gender dysphoria. That doesn’t mean you should allow minors to do whatever they want like take hormones and get surgery to fix their insecurities. There’s other ways to go about it then to jump to the extreme. You want to allow children to do whatever they want, you really think they have the mental capacity to make the right decisions for themselves. Answer is no. That’s why you have people that regret it. Once you are old enough then you can make that decision for yourself.
@@beautyandbrainz have fun being dense chicky✌️ detransition isnt as common as you generalize it to be and gender affirming care can save trans or cis lives
Interesting point of view but I don’t think this happened because of medical malpractice, the parents should have stepped in and been more informed before allowing their child who was a minor to change themself forever.
So medical malpractice is when a doctor goes against the standards of care to an extent that leads to personal injury. The standards of care for adolescents with gender dysphoria states they must get counseling first and must be properly informed of all the consequences and complications that could arise. The doctor did not properly disclose that lack of sensation and inability to breastfeed would result from the surgery, leading to personal injury. Definitionally it is medical malpractice.
I'm very grateful for how the system is where I live (I live in the Netherlands). The waiting time is very long, which I hated for most of it, but now I'm kind of thankful that I had all that time to really think about what I want. I also have to talk to a specialized gender therapist multiple times before being allowed any medical steps. My therapist is seriously amazing at helping me understand my own thoughts and doubts, we talk through them at length and it has gotten me to a point where I can let go of trying to find a label for myself and just existing as I am. I still want to have surgery but I've gotten to know myself a lot better and my motivation feels more clear and really coming from me instead of trying to prove that I'm trans enough. A proper support system where they take the time to evaluate what is best for you can do a lot to prevent situations like the one she was in.
im from Maryland too, didn't know detransition is covered. these stories always make me so sad. i think back to when i was a teen and going through puberty. i cried when i got my period, but i never once thought about it any deeper then just damn this sucks. i was too busy hanging out with my friends, and enjoying being a kid. didnt even know such a thing as transgender even existed at 14....i love the internet, but sometimes i wonder if kids nowadays didnt have the ability to look/discover these things, they wouldn't even think about it unless its true dysphoria.
I would really hope that people consider the statistical unlikely hood of detransition before considering further gate keeping of gender affirming care. Detransitioners make up one percent of the trans population, so far. You would be forcing people to live through longer assessment periods for surgeries that have infinitesimal regret rates. I understand that it's very evocative to look at a person who the system failed by not doing the proper checks and feel that there should be more regulation, but the current amount of regulation is fine. The issue is that doctors are not following the guideline and are 'fast tracking' teens that they feel are at risk.
I totally get what ur saying but saying that they make up less than 1 percent is incredibly inaccurate. It’s more common than you think but people are afraid to come out and tell their stories. It’s important we don’t invalidate their experience by simply saying “hey it’s only less than one percent” there should definitely be more that goes into allowing people to take hormones that will permanently alter them.
I just want to state that there are some of us who became adults, who had dysphoria as teens and were outcasted our whole lives as well. If I was growing up today, I could've been convinced to go through with all these transformations to my body too... and I'm thankful I grew up in an earlier time, because even though I suffered and felt like every other girl/woman out there was ACTUALLY a girl/woman, and I was just some ... outlier... even though I felt like that into my 20s, even.. I eventually worked through enough emotional and mental pain, and worked on my self esteem and perspective, and grew into myself. I'm thankful to be just myself and a human being first, and definitely a woman, too. But that's just one aspect of me, it's not my entire identity. It took me a long time to get to this (overall) peaceful place. I just wanted to share this for anyone who cared to listen. Take care, everyone.
Jamie Dodger has great educational videos about trans rights I think you’d really benefit from!! Also would love to see the other side represented of someone who has transitioned at a younger age and hasn’t detransitioned nor wants to.
I highly recommend listening to one of this podcast's older episodes, which features a heartwarming story about a trans man who is also a bodybuilder. It's truly inspiring!
I’m suprised they didn’t talk about the medical greed very much I think that they encourage transitioning often because they make a ** ton of money from these surgeries and stuff
Their story is just so sad because they were failed or let down by many people in her life, even professionals every single step of the way. I truly wished that those with gender dysphoria were able to express everything that is going on, so they might have this understanding before going through surgery. I really don't know the answers, but this story is really upsetting. Yeah what they said around 38:32 I agree with a lot, but there are some groups on the left that actually don't agree. Many are gender affirming like the therapist, never asking any real questions about whether it is right for the person or not. I have issues with this fast track and sadly many think that makes you are a conservative. I think the conservative movement just highlight these sad stories for their own agenda.
I love this channel so much. Variety of guests and so many different topics. The host is also very phenomenal; she is so patient, empathetic and a genuine listener. ❤
Another fantastic episode! Thank you for sharing your story. Best wishes for your future. ❤ I loved your message for many things in life. You should write a book.
And I also want to say .. I hate that tube tying or partial hysterectomy is unacceptable for cis women like me who absolutely hate the idea of having children and the idea of even saying I do or don't what to be able to breast feed my children gives me chills. I am super dysphoric in that sense but I am still a woman.
@@adriennebrown2941no hate, meant by this! just a little correction that cis people do not feel gender dysphoria as its when there is a conflict between you sex and gender identity.
@@epickody3924 I believe that there is a lack of understanding when it comes to gender dysphoria in general and maybe it is because of the way I was raised but I only feel dysphoric about being a woman when it comes the idea of having children I am fine with being a woman but the entire idea of children makes me feel this fll it because I don't feel like my body should be able to do that and produce that and have the emotions tied with motherhood
@@epickody3924 That is untrue. Cis people can experience gender dysphoria. "Gender dysphoria is a discomfort experienced when one's internal identity of gender doesn't match up with one's body or social expectations." Men who see themselves as too effeminate and take testosterone and start weightlifting, women who have flat chests and feel they are "not womanly" getting breast implants. I think you need to expand your understanding a little.
They did an amazing job!! It was super interesting to hear a story of detransitioning and what people go through. They are incredibly brave for sharing!
It was really nice to see an interview with someone who has detransitioned that is not politically motivated or demonising the trans community! Thank you for sharing your story
Totally agree, it was a great interview.
Why is that the focus here
I find as soon as someone brings up "cons" or "right-wingers" they're the ones making it political... a lot of people care about this issue with differing opinions who aren't into the political side.
Otherwise, I have total compassion and appreciation for Cassie... interesting, nice and smart human being to listen to. I relate to growing up disphoric, but I'm 33 now so back then, I held on for dear life and ended up growing into myself after years passed (and with some work put into healing of course)... and yeah... I only wish Cassie the best from here on out!
The trans Community ist demonising detransitioners ...
the only politically motivated and demonising conversation thats happening when watching de-transitioning videos is the one in your head. those videos are triggering your own insecurities. its important to realise that A CHILD should not be making life altering decisions in any capacity, and nobody is demonising the trans community by saying that
this podcast is genuinely so refreshing with how much space the host gives the guests to tell their stories
Totally agree… usually. I felt like the host did a lot of the talking in the last 30mins. She has good insights but I wish Cassie got more time to share
Yeah I’ve noticed she’s great at leaving them be and rarely intervening. Super calm and serious when times call for it
agree, she's great
she legit gets money for people coming over and sharing their traumas, and she doesnt has to do anything but listen. Easy money.
we love devorah
“Trans kids deserve better than being fast tracked along this process and told this is the only way - because it isn’t the only way”
This right here. This is so freaking important.
The fact that your profile pic is of our flag speaks volume! You put it in excellent words. We need to protect our kids...
There's no such thing as trans kids
@@derekb4977 what you think people magically become trans when they turn 18? Nope they were always trans.
@@blindbandit9579 The number of children getting surgery is less than 1% 57 kids from 2019 to 2021. And 776 received top surgery. This rate has increased in the last two years. There are 71 million children in the us. This makes up less than a percent. A single percent. It’s extremely rare they doctors will approve surgery for children. Versus hormone blockers which can be stopped and is not permanent.
@@tee57515There are definitely permanent changes, for both blockers and hormones, whether these would be physical or mental. I support the trans community and even used to identify (when of course, I was only 10), but it’s disingenuous and harmful to those who are questioning or trans to say that there are no permanent effects.
The process to get on these sorts of drugs should be more arduous and informed, since it could very well be that they cause a permanent change that effects the life of a person forever and leaves them with depression or suicidal ideation.
Love the way this podcast just gets right into it without a long introduction.
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love it
It does matter if people constantly change gender. It’ll have huge implications in regard to health. Females experience numerous health problems differently to males. The number one being heart attacks. In regard to crime, it’ll be impossible to measure crime statistics correctly; males commit more violent crimes than females. In regard self id, if any male can say he’s a woman that negates female only spaces because ANY male who says he’s a woman can access female only spaces. There are growing numbers are of cases of males claiming they’re women accessing females only spaces and assaulting females. It also endangers children because you’re demanding a child to go against his or her own instincts by forcing him or her to accept males, who are inherently more dangerous than females, as women.
I am 100% trans affirming but as a mom I could NEVER co sign medical transitioning that young !!! I would do everything in my power to help my child socially transition or become more comfortable in their body. Surgery at 14 is criminal imo.
Unfortunately the far Left encourages it.
as a mother of two boys, ive thought about it. how or what i would do. and id let him wear the clothes he wants, respect his feelings, but if he wanted surgery id have to say no. therapy, physical expression is ok but the rest HAS to wait.
Puberty blockers are a wonderful thing too if the child doesn’t mind having a late puberty, it gives the kid time to understand what they want for themselves
I am hugely supportive of the trans community, but a mastectomy at that age is bonkers to me. Your body isn’t even done developing at that age, it makes no sense to even do a reduction let alone a full removal at that age.
I had a breast reduction at 15 years old, let me tell you, it absolutely makes sense, when you're 1.54 cm, 50 kgs and 10% of your body weight is your boobs
Mental illness is wild as fuck, that’s all that is from what they described their family life was
it's medical malpractice not the fault of trans people, she said herself the consultation was only 15 minutes instead of the standard and that then they couldnt get in touch with their doctor for months afterward
I agree, whilst i fully support trans people and transitioning where wanted and needed, i feel 14 is such a young age to go through such a permanent change... whilst i understand the issues with dysmorphia, i think its better to live through a few yrs of discomfort and take a decision later on when it comes to permanent changes... at 14 a lot of teens are still trying to adjust to the changes their body is going through as a result of the onset of puberty...and not faulting this person, but as she said the adults and professionals around her who should have been more diligent in their decisions...
There is the problem. People being supportive of the trans community by upholding their flawed ideology. The guest states at 16:02 that "Non of the surgeries or hormones are going to make me a cis man" or what l would call a man. I agree and this is what we should be telling those children who believe this is so. One cannot change their gender. One can change their appearance but not their gender. In order to do so one will undergo major surgeries and become a life long medical patient. Whilst this is beneficial for the pharmaceutical companies it may not be so for the patient as all medications have side effects.
As a trans man it’s really good to hear a story about detransitionig that isn’t making the trans community out as the bad guys, and just about someone’s story on their gender identity
The unaware victims of the medical industrial complex, mentally ill, or both. No one thinks of you as the "bad guys".
@@macarenarrietathat’s worse :)
tell that to the people threatening our lives on the daily
Maybe pumping the brake on spreading of the "massage" of trans would help children that may lash on to it, as a new trend
@@otmossampacado1550 you spelled both message and latch incorrectly. maybe before speaking on something you should be able to spell
this is why Non-Binary people are so important to know about. You don't necessarily fit in every box in trans or cis settings
People who say they’re non binary are just oppression opportunists. Most people feel a bit masculine sometimes or a bit feminine sometimes, but they don’t call themselves non binary. The majority of non binary people are white affluent people. Morally they’re amongst the lowest of the low because they see oppression as a way of advancing their needs. Disgusting.
The fact that the consult was only 15 minutes long is criminal. She had no idea what she was getting in to
Yes!! Absolutely insane that a child was allowed to go on testosterone which changed her voice forever amd changed the size of her genitals, a child could request a surgery to get both breasts removed for FREE as she said Medicaid paid for it.
And now at 17, still a child, was allowed to make plans to get a series of 4 or 5 reconstructive surgeries to reverse the breast removal for FREE. Just shocked.
- the short consult time is by design...
Once upon a time not so long ago, children could not give medical consent.
@@katcankan7129 - Haha... YES! That was before the diabolical Democrat party was hi-jacked by extreme, radical, progressive, ideologs who promote and endorse liberalism which is nothing more than the normalization of immoral and unethical behaviors...
I love that the guests are given a a platform to be heard. The host is fantastic! It’s amazing that the host only speaks when it is helpful! This interview was educational. My hope is that they keep sharing their story and their point of view.
Allowing a child to dictate their own healthcare is NEVER a good idea in any situation. It’s outrageous to me that a 14 year old could, who can’t legally drive a car, can’t legally buy alcohol, can’t legal join the military could be allowed to get a double mastectomy
This whole interview just screams to why we need more funding and resources for trans health. Patients each individually deserve the time and resources to make the best most educated decisions for them.
Gender is very complicated and transition is individual to the person. There’s truly so much variation between even people with the same labels.
If being trans weren’t so politicized and polarized, people would more easily be able to access the resources to help them figure themselves out. Trans kids deserve safe and up to date healthcare. Kids who are figuring themselves out deserve the time and space to do that without pressure.
Literally all you have to do in this case is let people WAIT instead of pushing medical transition as the first solution.
i really felt for her immediately when she talked about how early she hit puberty and wondering what role being uncomfortable in her body from such a young age played, there is psychology research showing that being a girl who hits puberty early can be really challenging because the kids your age will make fun of you and then older boys and men start creeping on you, of course you feel extremely uncomfortable in your body and with breasts especially big ones which can cause back and other health problems like with breathing too :( poor baby. and i feelt when she said she doesn't like being perceived as a man or a woman cause thats me and it has taken me a long time to deconstruct in my own mind the feeling of "oh i look too much like a woman" today and hating that. but there's no one body assigned to any gender and man and woman are made up categories and being nonbinary is so free. its not my problem if someone sees me and thinks "woman," thats their own closed-mindedness. but it took so much hard work to unlearn that and im almost 30 now shes only 18 so i hope she gives herself grace and is kind and goes easier on herself a little bit
I told my boyfriend the same thing. The moment your the girl with big breasts other girls mAke fun of you or say your stuffing your bra. Any man in your life starts commenting on how “much you’ve grown” but they aren’t talking about getting taller because you can see where there eyes are looking when they say it. Boys who never talked to you or even were horrible to you start acting weird and it’s SO CONFUSING when you’re already concerned about the new hair and everything else going on with your body. I remember my boobs came in over a freaking weeekend and I didn’t wear a bra yet, and I got bullied so badly and a gym teacher asked me about wearing a bra in front of other people. It’s hard enough being a kid. And then you realize your not a little kid anymore it’s a lot. I wore baggy clothes and was a “Tom boy” because I thought it made life easier if no one saw me as a girl at all.
@@frankiel7517I couldn't have said this better myself. You worded it perfectly. And I completely relate and agree.^^^
im 25 and i identify as non-binary. i have dysphoria around my chest and this helped me realize that i need to get a breast reduction before deciding whether i want a double mastectomy. thank you for telling your story.
or ur just androgynous girl. why do u hate women so much? does identifying as 'non binary" help anything? ur solving the wrong problem. maybe u just needed smaller boobs but society got u fuked up
plz visit a psychiatrist
We want to see those muffins gone ok sister? Do it now
@proudperp7614 oh my God???????
@@lpycb42i understand you wanted it to be a genuine questions. But when you use words like “mutilating” it comes across disingenuous. Because their are women that get surgeries on their chest, for illness reasons, and that completely changes the narrative of what’s happening. It’s not mutilating. I’m most cases, it is a medical necessity. Bc mental health is medical. So if you’d like to learn more, please keep an open mind. Bc just bc it’s something you haven’t experienced, doesn’t mean it’s not valid. Just be glad you don’t have to know first hand, and you haven’t experienced any of the factors that go into chest surgeries.
i’m so glad that i found this. i am trans masc and have been wanting to learn about detransitioners so i can educate myself about other experiences and possibilities that may occur in my life. however, every time i tried to research i was confronted with so much transphobia. though it may sound contradictory, hearing her story has made me feel way more certain in transitioning for myself. it is incredibly refreshing to hear someone detransition and still support trans people. obviously, i wish she didn’t have to go through all the pain and trauma but i’m glad she’s in a better place now and able to help others
I hate that you've been finding so much transphobia but I would say that it could be helpful to listen to these detransitioners stories as well, there's a common thread through these stories (most have been failed by therapists and medical professionals). I wish you luck on your life journey and hope you can get all the support you need.
@@fancydeer thank you 🫶 i’ve had my share of negative experiences with medical professionals (though in the opposite direction, i’ve been dismissed and ignored) and hate that so many people have experienced it. i try to learn about detransitioners when i have the mental capacity to sort through transphobic stuff, and it’s really cool to hear different experiences, even when they are largely painful for the person. knowing that they can share and i can learn and reflect on myself is nice
I have watched many detransitioners stories and have yet to see one where they demonize or bash trans people. it's the trans community that bashes, demonizes, and tries to silence detransitioners.
I second this
She was severely emotionally neglected by her parents.
in general i think puberty can be such a scary and traumatizing time in life, especially for people who are afab. i remember feeling sooooo uncomfortable in my own skin when developing my chest, and so sexualized despite never having any negative experiences with other people. i hated the sensation and how it made me feel. i never noticed the social divide between girls and boys, until it became instilled in school/media/etc; having traditionally masculine traits and interests made me feel like i didn't fit in, not socially but on a much deeper level. that combined with stress, hormones, and undiagnosed depression and PCOS made for very confusing and tumultuous teenage years, despite ultimately being a cis woman, although i don't really identify with that. it took me until my mid 20s to feel comfortable in my own skin and realize, for me personally, my body isn't inherently sexual or shameful and how others perceive me doesn't matter or define who i am. i don't mean to discredit anyone else's experiences, just giving my own! i feel like there is such an immense pressure on teens, even moreso now with social media, to know who they are and be confident in that; it's okay to not know!
i relate, i just commented about the puberty part!! and i have pcos too which i wonder sometimes if that affects my feelings about my gender. some people say pcos can count as an intersex medical condition. you dont have to identify as a woman if you don't want to! i call myself genderqueer, agender, genderfluid and sometimes i identify as a fem person but rarely, mostly i just dont think of myself as being gendered at all.
@@bebooo0 i've heard that as well! pcos is super underdiagnosed, too, i have so many friends who also have it that weren't diagnosed until their mid 20s. i think learning about it really helped me understand myself. the fact that it's literally a hormonal imbalance of estrogen/testosterone makes a lot of sense in how it would affect feelings of gender. i suspect more information and more diagnoses of pcos would help a lot of people struggling with this, cis, trans, or otherwise. i don't mind being referred to as a woman these days, gender isn't important to me personally, in fact i feel kind of empowered knowing all of this is just part of what makes me who i am
Thank you so much for sharing your experience, because I never hear people talk about this. Everyone says that womanhood is beautiful, but my afab puberty was so traumatic for me internally, externally, socially, and physically. And though I identify as a demi-girl the whole concept of girl/woman-hood is very scary (and almost unwanted to new). I am not yet in my 20s so, hearing your story gives me hope that I’ll feel better and more comfortable. So thank you for this
This is exactly my story as well ❤
This. there's so much shame society puts on afab people especially teenagers for no reason. It's such a confusing time, especially for little girls who never really considered themselves girls or considered boys and girls to be different. Having society shame you for something you have no control over and being sexualized so young is just disgusting and it makes you feel gross but you don't know *why* you just do.
As a trans man, I really believe kids should wait until they are adults to make a hormonal change decision or at least extend therapy even longer with all the explanations of effects just in case. Great video!
I'm 20 and just started my medical gender transition, I'm interested in hearing all different experiences thank u for this episode 💕
Wishing you the best, and I hope everything goes smoothly for you! :]
@paradox8541 thank you!🥰
Good luck to you! I hope your journey is full of supportive people and lots of love (:
Stop this is not right
@@Eva12303that’s not for you to determine.
I saw the title and immediately was disappointed, thinking the guest was going to be pushing harmful right-wing ideologies. I’m so glad I watched because not only was I wrong, I learned about a bias that I didn’t know I had and I got to challenge it! This was such a powerful story, thank you for sharing ❤
Hey good on you thank you for sharing. For me these kind of surgeries are really scary, and more irreversable than most people realise.
Sadly, I thought this video was about what you thought it originally was about. Right-wing ideology of transgenderism and detransitioners are right, and the fact this person who went through all this is still supportive of a transgenderism is so sad. They are helping to cause more mutilations and more people to ruin their lives under harmful left-wing ideology.
@@raydare2002 no ❤️
@@chazzalyn yes ❤️
@@chazzalynthe person you're replying to is correct.
i relate this girl SO much, i thought i was trans, ftm, for 5 years (13-18) and literally right after i turned 18 i kind of realized it wasnt JUST gender dysphoria causing me so much pain and anxiety, but lots of other mental illnesses. (i actually pushed gender dysphoria on myself by trying to fit into the 'masc' box as a curvy, large chested and short girl) now im almost 20 and i just identify as non binary but often refer to myself as a girl. I still have some dysphoria and want to do some transitioning but im taking my time and making sure i dont do anything im not sure of :)
why dont you just consider yourself to be a woman? Why do you have to identify as non-binary? Wasnt one of the biggest factors of feminism being that woman can look/act/dress however they please without being disqualified as a woman?
That’s so weird because I am kinda dealing with the same thing. I’m a woman who’s got some curves and i wear a lot of baggy clothes - which made me feel gender dysphoria. For a little bit I considered that I might not be a woman, but then I realized when I dressed in ways that wasn’t hiding my body, or when I wasn’t trying to be masc, i felt better about myself because I felt like I was actually succeeding in a presentation of myself. And it happens that I like presenting feminine. All this stuff is so weird and complicated, people and our relationship with our gender identities.
@@anava7030 there are different ways to be a woman and to be feminine. I feel like we aren't talking about that as much and we're trying to put people in "male" and "female" boxes when that's not the case. There's as many ways to be a woman as there are women in the world. The same for men. It's not about fitting what society says a woman should be, it's about fitting what makes you feel right and comfortable.
please stop putting a thousand labels on yourself - it's okay just to be a woman. not trans masc, or demiboy, or whatever.
i completely get this! i personally have and was diagnosed after many years of counseling with gender dysphoria, but only a few years back i realized i didnt need to throw myself into a box. my gender doesnt have to fit the mold of man or woman, and i can be happy being called whatever. it’s a big discovery process ❤️
what an amazing + brave guest to talk about their lived experience! it was so refreshing to hear this topic being discussed without politics getting involved, just a real human sharing their real human journey. i wish cassie nothing but the best!!
It's shocking to hear that they removed the breasts of a kid that young. In my country you need to be 18 for that kind of surgery.
yeah the adults working in that industry and doing that are irresponsible.
I’m more wondering what state they were living in because where I live they won’t perform operations that young.
@sbocaj22 I guarantee it’s Oregon
They target young minds for a reason
Also it’s more effective done before puberty as it harder to reverse the effects
This is absolutely her truth, but I worry that uninformed individuals will think this is how ALL doctors treat their transgender patients. I've almost never heard of anyone able to access surgery this fast / this young, and only about 1% of transgender individuals regret transitioning (one of the LOWEST regret rates in all of plastic surgery). Thank you for sharing your story.
“Uninformed” is a kind way to put it for some of them. A revival of teaching and learning about media literacy is much needed in the U.S. right now.
If you guys were informed you would know the life threatening effects of cross sex hormone replacement
I do support them in their journey and than you so much for not putting trans people down while sharing your experince, but some things dont align with my experince with getting top surgery and someone i know getting a masectomy for cancer, I think the experince with a bad surgeon at least isnt the norm now, most of them have you see a mental health profesional before getting the surgery. Also, the breast reconstruction is the same as you decirbed for a mascetomy for cancer reasons. I also didnt get nipple grafts but i do have sensation expt for the scars (your outfit is also so good i love the yellow!!!)
@@popopodongI think they were just correcting some misinformation shared by the guest. There was no disrespect or really any comparison intended, just speaking about the medical procedures.
Delayed reconstruction in breast cancer patients is similar to that of detrans women, but the currently most common type of breast cancer reconstruction is immediate, meaning they place the implants at the same time as the mastectomy. And breast cancer patients who don’t choose to reconstruct immediately most often have skin-sparing mastectomies, meaning they leave the pocket of skin that held the breast tissue intact so reconstruction can be completed in one surgery, without tissue expanders. My surgery will be similar to that of a breast cancer patient who had an aesthetic flat closure, meaning they remove all the extra skin.
@@popopodongit really isnt as they are the same procedure, just different names due to different circumstances.
couldn't of picked a better topic of discussion this week to disect 🧠💭💡 so conflicting & heavy , & I'm totally here for it .
I truly feel that so many autistic girls are being failed by the system. We still don't understand us well enough. Bless her heart and her ability to reflect on her life with so much insight and maturity.
thank you for being a channel that covered a detransitioner’s story without making it about demonizing the trans community. we need more like you
for clarity: there is nothing wrong with detransition or detransitioners. they need love and support and to be heard and listened to.
trans people need support too. there is no villain here except bigotry.
Ah yes, let detransitioners speak but only if they adhere to your pre-determined narrative. Got it.
@@ql6588the way in which they did not say that💀
@@ql6588 if the narrative is ever “this person detransitioned, therefore nobody should be able to transition”, then yeah, fuck that narrative and it should not be platformed. i said what i said.
@@ql6588 demonising is bad is apparently controversal to you now?
Do you think you would have “gender issues” if you didn’t have social media?
Good question. As a girl, I could see being extremely uncomfortable with developing breasts or starting your period at a young age but I don’t think she would’ve gotten the idea that she should be a boy if it wasn’t for social media
@@Apk1991 possibly but, I bet social media played a big part in making her transition a deciding factor.
i‘m a 17 yr old trans dude (don‘t have hormones or other things yet) and i can tell you that i personally felt those „gender isssues“ before habing access to social media and before puberty even. Idk about her tho
I think the issue with an age limit is that there are so many kids who will not live til that age limit because of their struggle with the body they're in. It's a very tough situation to navigate. I don't think it should necessarily be fast tracked but I do think feelings should be validated.
i agree that there will never be a clear cut answer. i knew i was trans at 13, and i mean i /knew/. i cut my hair and began wearing my dad's clothes, and this was when being trans was almost unheard of for eighth graders. i'm 21 now, still trans. what i would do to go back in time and be able to start hormones at 14. so much time i spent in pain would never have happened. but that's not the same for everybody. people can truly go through a phase of believing they're trans, when it's just a phase. if i ever have a child that realized they're trans at the age i did, i'm not sure what i'll do. giving or denying is a gamble for causing a child pain
this also happens to normal mastectomy's one of my moms best friend lost her nipples due to breast cancer that later took her life. The mental stress of it was so hard for her and for cancer patients with her insurance reconstructive plastic surgeries and tattooing weren't covered sadly.
Wow. Do you by any chance know if it's still not covered? Obviously in the cases where a mastectomy saves the person's life, losing a breast is preferable to dying but, a woman's breast play such a large part in feeling & looking womanly & feminine... I can't imagine the emotional rollercoaster of almost losing your life, undergoing an invasive & dangerous surgery & then having to learn how to live with the scar & loss of your breasts.... Especially if the cancer only progresses.... I feel like insurance companies probably make enough money to help cancer survivors by covering reconstructive surgeries but, what do I know?
@@DarlingDaintyfoot I'm not sure exactly but they had insurance with a good company in California about 8 years ago, they considered it cosmetic and not necessary for quality of life... I agree as a woman it would take a toll especially with being intimate. And it's frustrating that it happened. I pray that has been fixed because mental health is important when it comes to quality of life in my opinion.
@DarlingDaintyfoot back in MA in 2012 it also wasn't covered. My aunt had breast cancer had had to save for years to be able to cover her own out of pocket. I don't know about modern times, but it was sad to see her so upset
@@oliviacaron7088 I just can't even believe it.
This type of thing is why it's SO important to not be a Trans medicalist. Do not pressure people into medical transition no matter their gender. If people are more accepting of gender diversity beyond just the physical presentation of someone's body, there will be much less pressure to change that body. As your gender evolves, you won't have to undo medical procedures.
this!! im ftm and transmedicalism is harmful for trans and detrans people!
As someone less than a month away from top surgery, this interview was really hard to listen to, but so so valuable. It can be hard to hear detrans people talk about their experiences and actually listen to what they say because of the way its been used against the community. Detrans people should have access to the same care and community that we all need. Thank you for sharing your story, wishing you all the best 🖤
Well done for looking at different experiences! It's good to be as informed as you can be, certain things can't be reversed
Congratulations!! It is so sad to me that the political agendas of others has made it more difficult for us to hear the stories of others, because there is the threat of manipulation. Good luck with your surgery!
congrats on top surgery!!!! hoping for a speedy and easy recovery
There is no 'community'.
How scary, listing to people damage their body forever and still willing to damage yours
This is then only podcast where the more she keeps talking, shes not just spewing filler bs, everything you said was real, very gentle to this guests feelings, and I appreciate your attention to detail a lot. This conversation brought me to tears.
The host seems comfortable in that tiny chair, but none of the guests ever seem so. They need a bigger chair to get all cozy in.
I think the guests are just more nervous typically. I don’t think it’s the chair that’s uncomfortable
@@jannafranco5623 of course they are internally uncomfortable as well. I was just pointing out that the chair seems a miss as far as a choice. Why not give the guests the option to get more physically comfortable - room to curl up or put their feet up - as the host is able to do right in front of her guest.
they need to lose their weight obvi
“you’re not wrong for not being better for it, but other people aren’t wrong for being better for it.” there were so many great quotes in this episode (the whole thing was really good), but this is one of my favorites. making the wrong choice for yourself is a human right, and it’s okay to realize that the thing that helped someone else didn’t help you.
I hope I will see a day when gender non conforming people can just live life without pressure for surgery and hormones.
Seriously...these doctors are medicalizing gender stereotypes....we are better than that. We finally stepped away from stereotypes, why are they back? Let men be fem with surgeries, let women be masc without surgeries.
Be nonconforming without surgeries. Why are we pushing surgeries as the only path of true self acceptance? 😢
That will be the day all of this gender ideology BA is behind us. It looks like it will be a while.
The guest made it seem like their parents just agreed out of nowhere to cut their child's breasts and place them on hormones.
I think the parents did everything right in supporting their children to the best of their abilities. I am sure it was difficult to hear constantly from their child that they are in the wrong body and see them try to cut their breast with a butcher knife.
They visited several professionals and therapists and they trusted the doctor's analysis which also seemed to have matched what they have experienced at home with their child.
i agree 200%
Children cannot consent to hormones and surgery. Let adults make that choice
@@lucysingh506lucy, dear lucy, cassie’s experience is EXTREMELY RARE and does not happen as much as you may think. reputable surgeons do not perform surgeries on monors. 18+ only. hormones may be given to teens, but only after extensive screening by professionals. most often, theyll just get puberty blockers which are 100% REVERSIBLE.
@@epickody3924yet trans activists still find a way to silence them
As someone who used to have social anxiety, I just want to thank you so much for doing the effort to make every single interview such a safe space for everyone. It's not an easy thing to do, yet you achieve it everytime 💞
This story was so powerful. Thank you to this beautiful guest for having the courage to share. I am completely shocked by the medical system or parents allowing children to transition. Not to say it’s wrong, but too early. I can’t relate to the that but I can relate to an example on a much smaller scale. When I turned 18 I got tattoos. At that stage in my life, I was so set on it. I immediately regretted it and got stuck marking my skin permanently. Sometimes we feel that something outside ourselves will be the answer. Her point to heal first, take your time, allow life to show you the decision is so spot on. For a decision that is permanent, I think someone has to live a bit before making that decision. A child is not able to make it and unfortunately we have adults and some parents that are not protecting them.
You cant compare this to getting a tattoo. Many trans people feel that something is not "right" from a very early age. Everyone is different and thus should be treated individually.
No you cannot compare tatoos to gender affirming care. One is a vanity based body mod. The other is life saving medical care.
Only comparing the fact that it is permanent. We have age limits of consent for many things because a child should not be placed in a situation to make a PERMANENT decision that they may regret or may feel differently later on.
@@Teez395 its not permanent. a lot of the effects within the first 3 months are reversible. some trans women and transfemme people wait to go on bc theyre unsure if they want to preserve the ability to have kids. if children are unsure if transition is right for them they can take puberty blockers (at the start of puberty) which are entirely reversible
@@Teez395 I agree that we should have age limits, for example I think 14 is too early for a full on breast removal. I think 16 would be a much more appropriate age for those with gender dysphoria who have been through therapies to seek treatment. The gender affirming clinics I’ve seen recently stress the importance of not trying to push for surgical interventions or any sort of outcome. To help the child come to an understanding as true to themselves about their gender identity, asking about history of any abuse, do they feel pressured by their peers, how long have they felt this way, how do they feel internally etc. Checking for other life factors. Questioning about how they feel being a gender non-conforming girl/boy, non-binary identities, etc. It’s very sad that she didn’t receive that kind of explorative care. I also would try to get a second opinion as well.
The World Professional Association for Transgender Health, which sets global best practices for transition care, recommends “extensive exploration of psychological, family, and social issues” prior to any physical interventions for young people. Along with significant counseling and a psychological assessment.
As a trans-guy who started medically transitioning at 16 (back in 2011), there were soooo many hoops to jump through even as a minor. Now, that doesn’t seem the case. There’s countless issues on the spectrum of care, between threatening parents to not allow their children to access gender affirming care, to just giving a script for HRT within one appointment. It really helped me by being required to see a speciality therapist for over a year before even knowing what direction was my goal, but I worry about creating hard limits and how it limits life saving care for someone else. Such a challenging topic from so many people to discuss, kudos to them, for being able to discuss their personal journey. I commend your courage in finding your own path forward to make yourself comfortable.
Autistic people experience more gender dysphoria than neurotypical folks and I believe many do identify themselves as non-binary. I think that's something we need to study more and professionals who work with gender affirming care need to have some autism knowledge too.
it's unbelieve how everyone's supposed to fit within an identity/role that is socially constructed, it works for most people but humans are far too complex to be boxed into two catergories. big ups to her for having the courage to share and for being so articulate at such a young age!!
Except the two categories in real life are male and female, and those aren't limiting anymore than the fact we have two arms is limiting, it is what it is. Nature is what it is, biology is what it is. You get what you get and you don't get upset, you know? The modern gender ideology movement has tightened the constricrions of man and women through these very immature relations of biology and social roles. Wanting to wear a dress as a boy doesn't make you a girl. Playing with boys as a young girl doesn't make you a boy. Feeling self conscious of your breasts as a woman doesn't make you a man. Feeling "euphoric" at the thought of being a woman if you are a man doesn't make you a woman, it probably just means you have a fetish that you need to work through.
this is why i dont fully understand trans community, it feels like they re affirm traditional sterotypes, like how girls dress how men dress, to me the point is that there is no such things? i feel like they re affirm toxic and traditional gender roles.
I think that the US has the worst of both worlds in a case because the political attacks on trans people existing and wanting to eradicate them and hurt them is beyond cruel and crazy but on the other hand it also is too """easy""" in some cases to transition without proper care... but then also it can be a question of transition or suicide for some kids so it's just so difficult on all fronts. i wish nothing but love and healing to all trans kids who can't transition and those who were given the wrong care too early as well
I believe the issue with this case is for-profit healthcare! Reminds me of the opiod crisis
@@thaismitraud6901it's not. They have the exact same issue in Canada and the UK. The only difference between privates paying for it vs the government paying for is that in the second case you're making others complicit in your mutilation.
@@macarenarrieta the fact that you believe us having the freedom to do what we want with our bodies is "mutilation" makes it clear that you are not approaching this conversation seriously and your politics are completely driven by you feeling that trans people's bodies are disgusting and disfigured
@@thaismitraud6901 This is actually a great reason for private for-profit healthcare. I dont want my tax dollars to be spent on transgenderism and I would sadly be forced to in other formats of healthcare.
I am a woman’s who was also born with a large chest, you learn to hate it quickly. I remember adults jokingly sexualizing my body from as young as 6th grade, sickening looking back. I remember hatin my body and feeling the need to change it so I expirmented with binding and cross dressing, in the end I decided I was just depressed and unhappy with myself and I need to learn to love how I am because no magic pill or surgery was going to change it. I have trans friends and still support them fully, I just try to warn people transitioning to really self explore before doing anything that’s permanent
that's incredible to me as a woman who had the exact opposite experience, and felt like I was never "womanly" enough with a small chest. just goes to show we are all miserable about our bodies at one point of our lives, and learning to see your body for what it is, a vessel to experience life, is the only way out. happy to know you're happy now
“i just try to warn people transitioning to really self explore before doing anything that’s permanent”
i hope you know that that’s what we have to do regardless. trans youth rarely begin to medically transition. it a phenomenon that is not as present as one may think. instead, what our transitions look like at that age is different name, different clothes, different haircut. some may be put on puberty blockers, which are 100% reversible as they simply block puberty and the moment they are stopped puberty resumes. they had been used on cis kids who begin puberty far too early originally. but back to my point, majority of trans kids are experimenting with their gender identity, all of which is nothing permanent and is encouraged. it is rare that they are allowed to transition so young medically.
Kids shouldn’t be online that young.
What state lets a 14 yo old remove her breats? Sounds like a California issue. Adults who are suppose to protect children.
I love that you have given so many people a voice through this channel. Love what you’re doing 🫶
I'm trans(ftm) I'm a freshman in highschool and I began this when I was 10 I have not started testosterone or had surgery and I want to wait but I am so impatient this video was EXTREMELY HELPFUL
I would see a good therapist first and reflect on childhood, parents, experiences. It's extremely difficult to accept being a woman. Puberty is difficult psychologically and physically. Unwanted sexual attention from males is extremely traumatizing. Social expectations are disgusting. A lot of girls reject their femininity and it's natural. It's important to know that society doesn't define womanhood. You can define it yourself. You don't have to look feminine, you don't have to be sexual, you don't have to get married, have children, etc. Being a woman is not about external attributes like dresses or make up. It's not about genitals or breasts either. It's about being strong, confident, intuitive, empathetic, etc. Women face a lot of challenges in life and it's all about finding the strength to be yourself and do what you love.
i was in your shoes before and @thecommonchums3937 is right. it's hard being a woman and it's hard to accept that, but becoming a man won't magically fix everything, for everyone. Find a good therapist (that doesn't just tell you everything you want to hear), and find other issues you may have.
For me, it was undiagnosed mental health issues, and internalized misogyny.
Deeply worried what kind of people this video may attract
I’ve been weary ever since she had that clairvoyant woman on who said she was predicting an upcoming genocide against Jewish people having to do with the 2024 election. I’m open minded, this channel has been helpful for me with some videos, but I worry about where this is going. I guess we will see
Same. Hopefully there isn’t a huge influx of transphobia , but I fear I may be wrong.
@@Yourmomdotcomdotnet I get that, to be fully honest the sad truth is this video could be very nuanced and everything can be well articulated. However the tittle alone could draw in the wrong crowd. I shall hope for the best.
@@Sylvanwater So far all seems well. c:
At 19:50 and 1:01:17 they talked about that, but I think one disclaimer would be nice
this woman’s parents FAILED her as a little girl. what competent, decent, caring parent allows their daughter coming out of 8th grade to get a FULL MASTECTOMY???? doctors didn’t do the right thing, but where tf were her guardians???😢
This doctor along with their parents need to be in jail. This is deeply saddening. I dressed masculine from 11-14 too. Back in the day it was called “Tom boy”. I’m a lot of cases this is just a phase. Your brain isn’t developed enough to be making these decisions. 😭😭 I’m not saying transitioning is bad. AT LEAST 18 should be the legal age for sure.
The biggest threat to people being put in a situation where they feel they have to transition or do something a specific way is transphobia.
There is no one way to transition, there should never been this forced "show of commitment" that cisgender people like to push. We should be allowed to stop, go, and slow down every second we please and do things our way. Including being cisgender. Every single person deserves the right to expressing their gender how they see fit without pressure to perform
amen!!!
Great interview! Honestly the only one thing to blame when it comes to the ‘model female or male’ should be, is the Media - magazines, Tv, movies, social media, etc - and look how far it has come where people hate who they are so much bc they don’t fit a certain look or identity - if you identify as something other than your birth identity, then absolutely but so many, like this interview, have done it bc technically, they didn’t ‘fit in with society’ - it is so sad, so many lives lost and peoples lives hurt and destroyed - you cannot choose what and how you came into this world and who gives a fuck what others think…wish more thought this way…
yes exactly! I think probably the most insidious one might be p r0 n... that's where I most compared myself growing up (and it's way too accessible to young ones).
hey friend, ive worked with many breast cancer patients and more and more of them are now having their nipples/areolas tattooed instead of another surgery. its a less invasive option. just wanted to share :)
She's not making the point she thinks she's making. She's a good example of why transitioning should be banned before 18 years old. She didn't have the information or maturity to handle this situation. She's still emotionally immature.
I respect her bravery for sharing. I think she's still in the stage of denial about the trans decisions. She said she doesn't regret what testosterone did to her voice because she said she enjoys her voice being low like this. Then she later says she can't stand hearing her own voice. I understand she's still young and still has a lot of mental growth ahead.
I think she should continue to share her story. It takes guts to do this.
I noticed the same thing.
She expressed it much softer, that she doesn't like to hear it played back, acknowledging that that is universal (for everyone). And it is. Very very few people find their voice comfortable to listen to, because it sounds different than one hears it, when played back. But yeah, I also see a struggling person. And a very very brave one as well.
@@PrinzEisenkarpfe I like the way my voice sounds, even recorded. I don’t think everyone is uncomfortable with the sound of their own voice. We know many of our leaders and celebrities enjoy the sound of their own voices. Why shouldn’t I?
display of how demented things have gotten.
sick….
Sad
I wonder how this person’s experience would have been different if they did decide to look and find Jesus.
Public health is so important.
Insurance is bad for healthcare in general
100000000% agree
You're so brave for coming on an interview to speak on this.❤❤Wishing you strength, and happiness to continue strong on your life journey❤️✨️✨️You are beautiful and your life matters!!🫶🏾
“I knew that when they were talking about women, they were talking about me. And that scared me.” That is so powerful and so sad.
It is alarming to hear that the only 'solution' to gender disphoria is going straight to these extreme surgeries. Lets not run before we walk. Professionals need to take the time, money & resources to discuss & implement other avenues towards helping people that think & feel this way before crossing lines that are hard or impossible to come back from, especially where children are concerned. I can't get on board with gender affirming surgery being a green light on anybody under the age of 18.
yeah it shows irresponsibility and love of money on the adults' part.
the extremes are not as common as you may think. the majority of surgeons refuse to operate on anyone under 18.
@@epickody3924Thank God for that, but the fact is even with the minority of these teenagers who have been butchered, they still deserve to have people in their corner making sure that no one else suffers.
Idk why anyone would think breast surgery for trans people should be free. It’s 100% cosmetic. Pay for it like the rest of us had to do
This insight is so central "I wanted to be a cis man". Realizing that one would have preferred to be born a different sex is a very different thing than now, given that one wasn't born that way, wanting to become a trans man, it's different deals! This insight was crucial for me, too.
autism, bipolar, & anxiety ? girlllll
I am so, so, so relieved that gender affirming care didn’t exist when I was going through puberty. I was a SUPER early bloomer (C-cups at 11, it was awful) and very much a tomboy. I was into cars and snakes and had no conception of style or makeup or anything like that.
I didn’t fall in love with my femininity until about halfway through college in my early 20s, and now I love my figure, I love doing my makeup, taking care of my skin and hair, etc etc. I’m certain that if I’d had access to gender affirming care (and Twitter) when I was a young teen, I would’ve been encouraged to transition, and I probably would have. But I didn’t resent being female; I resented having a woman’s body but still being a child. I resented being told that girls have to look a way and like certain things, when in reality interests and aesthetics have no sex or gender.
I understand that gender affirming care saves a lot of young trans kids’ lives, but there NEED to be more checks and double-checks in order for kids to get access to this kind of care. No one knows what they want for themselves at 12/13/14, and it sucks that we’re making lifelong medical patients out of kids who are just confused about their own identities. :(
These sugeries are not free. Tax paying people that may be incredibly against children being medically harmed by these pushed surgeries help pay for them.
I’m so confused when I hear some trans people versus others/de-transitioners. One end I’ll hear stories like this where a 14 year old was so easily able to get a surgery like that…then on the other side, I’ve heard stories and also know a trans person who has been waiting FOUR YEARS to even be able to get a consultation, roadblock after roadblock and they would say it’s anything but easy.
Maybe it’s the state you’re in, idk.
there are a variety of factors that go into it. another is also parental support. many of is have unsupportive parents. or we cannot afford it. or the doctors found are not reputable, as only the reputable ones will refuse surgeries on those under 18.
I think it's mostly parents. I'm trans and getting on hormones soon while in college
, 7 years after I figured out that I'm trans. My parents are completely anti, so I'm not telling them
I am absolutely amazed at what this pod cast has become. You are doing such a phenomenal job! I loved the podcast before the change, and I love it just as much now! It’s so different, but in the best way possible! I love you dev🩷
I think society just needs to start talking to young adults about puberty and how it is normal to all develop differently and to learn to embrace your body as it is instead of insisting on changing those things. Sex education should be about what happens during puberty, how to control your emotions esc... I think when these children come into the doctors, if the kid hasn't been talked to about this stuff then they need to be taught. I seem to hear alot that girls just didn't want breast because their peers weren't getting them yet and that made them have body dysmorphia. Also obviously if a child had gone through sexual trauma that issue needs to be discussed and resolved before any discussion or a transition. Alot of detransitioners I have heard speak have had sexual trauma prior to wanting transitions.
I believe doctors who perform these surgeries on minors need to be sent to the deepest pits of hell. Permanently helping these children self harm at such a young age should be criminal. Doctors don’t want to let women get their tubes tied if they don’t want children cause they might change their mind, but children can decide and make a decision that will forever impact them for the rest of their lives
Wait yeah what the heck
Girl i was literally just wondering when you'd upload again. I appreciate these videos so much!
I think we need to have more gender therapists trained to gauge if transitioning physically is the solution.
There are other gender affirming steps that can be taken before surely. And not just from a binary perspective
most gender therapists require you to be living socially as your chosen gender for at least a year before approving medical transition, its a shame that there are doctors who go outside of the standard that has been widely approved by many medical bodies
This was determined in the 70s when all of the gender clinics that were established in the 50s closed down due to research findings proving that transition didn't help the people coming to these clinics, in fact it made things worse. Yet somehow, in the past 20 years we see the same thing play out.
Thank you for sharing your story I know this one’s going to help people. I wish you nothing but happiness on your healing journey.
HOW CAN WE ALLOW 14 YEAR OLDS TO REMOVE THEIR BODY PARTS??!?!??
The fact that they think it should be paid for by tax dollars is astounding. The entitlement is real.
The fact that you think it shouldn’t is astounding. They paid for them to be removed, why should it be up to me to pay to get them back? I’m on food stamps and living with who disabled adults, if it wasn’t covered I would never be able to afford it. The fact you think I should have to suffer for the rest of my life because of a mistake I made at 14 is astounding. The lack of empathy is real.
@@cassidy7315 the lack of accountability is unreal 😂 if there’s something about my body that I don’t like, I have to save up the money and pay for it out of my own pocket. Why would us be any different with a transgender person?? Take some responsibility for your own actions and pay for your detransitioning out of your OWN POCKET.
@@paigekiersten5198you weren’t taken advantage of as a child by a predatory for-profit industry into removing organs. It’s not that I “don’t like” my body, it causes severe psychological distress and has caused me to be hospitalized. It’s different for me and for transgender people because we have a recognized psychological condition. Have fun paying for my tits lol 😘
@@paigekiersten5198also, removing my breasts wasn’t my action, it was the action of a surgeon.
@@paigekiersten5198maybe ALL healthcare should be paid for by taxes not just for detransitioners and trans people then everyone gets what they need :)
I’m a trans 17 year old and this information is so helpful, i think all people considering medical transition should watch this. I never even thought about some things mentioned and it really opens up my perspective.
Thank you for coming on this interview, usually i avoid detransition interviews because they repeat the same stuff from the same people but this persons opinions are new and nice to hear.
What a beautiful brave human sharing their story ❤
Wow! As a trans man I had no clue it could be that easy to transition in the US. I knew it was easier but this is leaving me stunned.
In Denmark you need to be 18, be on T for at least 6 months (and have healthy stable levels), etc. it’s heartbreaking to hear a surgeon would do this. I don’t think ANY surgical consultation should take fifteen minutes!
Having the minimum age be 18 in Denmark SUCKED when I was below 18, but 14 is absolutely too young to make such a big decision. Children live more in the “now”, and they often can’t understand the ramifications of choices like this.
I’m also baffled there was never any mention of breast reduction! It’s a tough decision as well, but should at the very least have been discussed.
Not sure what the age should be, and maybe there should be exceptions made, but we really need to do better.
As for identifying as trans in the past and being told you weren’t, I think that’s bullshit. It’s not a black/white issue. It’s up for you to decide.
Did I miss something ?? Why did the parents pay for/allow the surgery at 14?
They were told similarly to me that transitioning was the only thing that would ease the acute psychological distress I was experiencing. “Would you rather have a dead daughter or a trans son” and such.
Now show the other side, somebody who transitioned young and doesn’t regret it!
Cassie you did a great job explaining this. I’m sure lots of people watching this who we’re not sure what they want to become man or woman the way you explained you might just be confussed at this time will get someone to really think before they make a final decision . Good luck to you in the future your wonderful❤️👌👍
i dont think enough ppl talk about how a LOT of young girls feel this way growing up. we reject puberty because look at how women are treated around us? whether in the real world, or in fiction/media. a lot of girls are more likely to be chronically online in these kinds of spaces. it's NORMAL to hate your body growing up and during puberty.
i went through this "i want to be a boy" thing for yrs as a teen. now im girly as all hell.
yes, some will turn out to be trans, but the majority wont and thats okay. having phases are a part of growing up.
if i went thru w a surgery when i felt this way at 15, my life would be over.
I came into this so worried that this was going to demonize the reputation of the trans community even further, I'm pleasantly surprised. Love the work y'all do.
Anyone under the age of 18 shouldn’t be able to transition just like you can’t get a tattoo, vote, join the military, buy cigarettes or alcohol. A minor shouldn’t be making big decisions like “changing their gender” when they are still figuring out who they are and their purpose. Everyone knows puberty and school is a tough time, but that’s where a parents job comes in to guide and teach their children to love yourself as you were wonderfully & purposefully created. It’s important to show the sacredness and beauty in womanhood. It’s important to look inward and heal your mental health. You can support your child, but you as a parent have to protect and set limits on how much you can allow & enable. Especially nowadays with social pressures/contagion from social media, older peers, friends and family manipulating young confused impressionable minds. At that age you’re not thinking critically about the information you’re perceiving and understanding. The world tells you if you’re a male and feel more feminine or you’re a female and feel more masculine you are trans is a massive problem.
There's a big difference between social and medical transitioning. Trying out a nickname or dressing differently is perfectly fine for a child and if they change their mind, there's no issue. I agree that *medically* transitioning (except for hormone blockers, which aren't exclusively used for trans kids) should probably wait until they are 18.
@@nicoles2159 exactly most treatment is puberty blockers which is completely reversible no surgery involved. the case describe here sounds like medical malpractice, not the fault of trans people!! she said herself the doctor only met w them for 15 minutes and then they could'nt even get in touch with the doctor for months after. how awful.
then you'll go and say "why are the children committing sui??? IT'S A TRAGEDYYYYYY"
@@alex-iu6rj Yes suicide is a tragedy no matter if it’s from depression or gender dysphoria. That doesn’t mean you should allow minors to do whatever they want like take hormones and get surgery to fix their insecurities. There’s other ways to go about it then to jump to the extreme. You want to allow children to do whatever they want, you really think they have the mental capacity to make the right decisions for themselves. Answer is no. That’s why you have people that regret it. Once you are old enough then you can make that decision for yourself.
@@beautyandbrainz have fun being dense chicky✌️ detransition isnt as common as you generalize it to be and gender affirming care can save trans or cis lives
Interesting point of view but I don’t think this happened because of medical malpractice, the parents should have stepped in and been more informed before allowing their child who was a minor to change themself forever.
i think the medical malpractice part was the doctors also allowed it at such a young age. but yes the parents are also at fault
So medical malpractice is when a doctor goes against the standards of care to an extent that leads to personal injury. The standards of care for adolescents with gender dysphoria states they must get counseling first and must be properly informed of all the consequences and complications that could arise. The doctor did not properly disclose that lack of sensation and inability to breastfeed would result from the surgery, leading to personal injury. Definitionally it is medical malpractice.
I'm very grateful for how the system is where I live (I live in the Netherlands). The waiting time is very long, which I hated for most of it, but now I'm kind of thankful that I had all that time to really think about what I want. I also have to talk to a specialized gender therapist multiple times before being allowed any medical steps. My therapist is seriously amazing at helping me understand my own thoughts and doubts, we talk through them at length and it has gotten me to a point where I can let go of trying to find a label for myself and just existing as I am. I still want to have surgery but I've gotten to know myself a lot better and my motivation feels more clear and really coming from me instead of trying to prove that I'm trans enough. A proper support system where they take the time to evaluate what is best for you can do a lot to prevent situations like the one she was in.
im from Maryland too, didn't know detransition is covered. these stories always make me so sad. i think back to when i was a teen and going through puberty. i cried when i got my period, but i never once thought about it any deeper then just damn this sucks. i was too busy hanging out with my friends, and enjoying being a kid. didnt even know such a thing as transgender even existed at 14....i love the internet, but sometimes i wonder if kids nowadays didnt have the ability to look/discover these things, they wouldn't even think about it unless its true dysphoria.
This seems to have all stems from a lack of confidence. It’s so sad.
I would really hope that people consider the statistical unlikely hood of detransition before considering further gate keeping of gender affirming care. Detransitioners make up one percent of the trans population, so far. You would be forcing people to live through longer assessment periods for surgeries that have infinitesimal regret rates. I understand that it's very evocative to look at a person who the system failed by not doing the proper checks and feel that there should be more regulation, but the current amount of regulation is fine. The issue is that doctors are not following the guideline and are 'fast tracking' teens that they feel are at risk.
I totally get what ur saying but saying that they make up less than 1 percent is incredibly inaccurate. It’s more common than you think but people are afraid to come out and tell their stories. It’s important we don’t invalidate their experience by simply saying “hey it’s only less than one percent” there should definitely be more that goes into allowing people to take hormones that will permanently alter them.
I just want to state that there are some of us who became adults, who had dysphoria as teens and were outcasted our whole lives as well. If I was growing up today, I could've been convinced to go through with all these transformations to my body too... and I'm thankful I grew up in an earlier time, because even though I suffered and felt like every other girl/woman out there was ACTUALLY a girl/woman, and I was just some ... outlier... even though I felt like that into my 20s, even.. I eventually worked through enough emotional and mental pain, and worked on my self esteem and perspective, and grew into myself. I'm thankful to be just myself and a human being first, and definitely a woman, too. But that's just one aspect of me, it's not my entire identity. It took me a long time to get to this (overall) peaceful place.
I just wanted to share this for anyone who cared to listen. Take care, everyone.
@@restorative-wavesbig love. Have a good week
it's not 1%, and in the upcoming 5-10 years there will be plenty of detransitioners coming out and sharing their stories
@@skullchimes thanks! right back at you ❤ have a good week too!
Jamie Dodger has great educational videos about trans rights I think you’d really benefit from!! Also would love to see the other side represented of someone who has transitioned at a younger age and hasn’t detransitioned nor wants to.
I highly recommend listening to one of this podcast's older episodes, which features a heartwarming story about a trans man who is also a bodybuilder. It's truly inspiring!
I’m suprised they didn’t talk about the medical greed very much I think that they encourage transitioning often because they make a ** ton of money from these surgeries and stuff
Their story is just so sad because they were failed or let down by many people in her life, even professionals every single step of the way. I truly wished that those with gender dysphoria were able to express everything that is going on, so they might have this understanding before going through surgery. I really don't know the answers, but this story is really upsetting. Yeah what they said around 38:32 I agree with a lot, but there are some groups on the left that actually don't agree. Many are gender affirming like the therapist, never asking any real questions about whether it is right for the person or not. I have issues with this fast track and sadly many think that makes you are a conservative. I think the conservative movement just highlight these sad stories for their own agenda.
I love this channel so much. Variety of guests and so many different topics. The host is also very phenomenal; she is so patient, empathetic and a genuine listener. ❤
Another fantastic episode!
Thank you for sharing your story. Best wishes for your future. ❤ I loved your message for many things in life. You should write a book.
As a cis female with a breast reduction.. A lot of her complications for 'top surgery' are also breast reduction complications.
And I also want to say .. I hate that tube tying or partial hysterectomy is unacceptable for cis women like me who absolutely hate the idea of having children and the idea of even saying I do or don't what to be able to breast feed my children gives me chills. I am super dysphoric in that sense but I am still a woman.
@@adriennebrown2941no hate, meant by this! just a little correction that cis people do not feel gender dysphoria as its when there is a conflict between you sex and gender identity.
@@epickody3924 I believe that there is a lack of understanding when it comes to gender dysphoria in general and maybe it is because of the way I was raised but I only feel dysphoric about being a woman when it comes the idea of having children I am fine with being a woman but the entire idea of children makes me feel this fll it because I don't feel like my body should be able to do that and produce that and have the emotions tied with motherhood
@@epickody3924 That is untrue. Cis people can experience gender dysphoria. "Gender dysphoria is a discomfort experienced when one's internal identity of gender doesn't match up with one's body or social expectations." Men who see themselves as too effeminate and take testosterone and start weightlifting, women who have flat chests and feel they are "not womanly" getting breast implants. I think you need to expand your understanding a little.
I was never told? In the age of Google ppl shock me
thank you for not throwing us under the bus.
They did an amazing job!! It was super interesting to hear a story of detransitioning and what people go through. They are incredibly brave for sharing!