2021 EcoDiesel Jeep Gladiator Broke Down at 3500 miles...
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- 2021 EcoDiesel Jeep Gladiator Broke Down at 3500 miles... We are having DEF issues with the new Ecodiesel Gladiator. Took it to the dealer and they think its a pump issue. They replaced the pump and still having issues...
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With anything new we have to expect issues. Was really hoping to not deal with any LOL. What do you think of the DEF systems?
I have the JL Eco Diesel got over 18k miles. Everything all good here. Keep us updated
I have a 2021 JL Willys EcoDiesel - over 4000 miles and so far - no issues.
2014 jeep grand cherokee ecodiesel right here and no issues. Currently 98k miles great car so far .
Delete it when the aftermarket supports & if no emissions testing in your area
Love my diesel.
As a biochemist, I have always wondered how DEF solution works in near freezing storage conditions. The urea is 5.4 molar at 32.5% and will crystallize near the freezing point. In the lab it is a pain getting the crystals back into solution even with heat. Are the pumps designed to handle dissolved solids because there is a good chance that the crystals still persist after the DEF has thawed enough to begin flowing?
There has to be a solution, even big rigs have these systems, our entire shipping system relies upon it.
Own a 2014 Grand Cherokee with Eco Diesel, 65,000 miles. Failed DEF pump at 10,000 miles. That has been the only mechanical failure. Most significant problems involve computer updating emission and engine. After one update had persistent check engine light for months trying to get it sorted out. After all the emission problems with EPA went from 28 MPG to 23-25. Love the Diesel engine and am thinking about a new Wrangler with the diesel. Owned a Wrangler in the past- Jeeps are fun but expect some issues. Good news- collected $4000 from Jeep for EPA violations!
I have a 2021 diesel gladiator as well. I had the same issue. Amazingly my dealer researched this and found an FCA bulletin that said it was an electrical harness. Bad pins in a connector. That’s why there are so many codes. They replaced the harness and no issues. May not be your issue, but something to investigate.
Wow. I will.keep an eye on that. But after 8000 miles, I haven't had a single issue with mine and I take mine on trails and it has the 37 tires and other gear.
I have had a 2014 WK2 with Ecodiesel for last 10 years, 106k miles. SCR and DEF systems had to be replaced under warranty at 20k miles or so. It has been trouble free since but has had few other issues. Dealers have no idea on how to support these diesels.
2020 diesel Wrangler 12,600 miles, no issues whatsoever. My wife's Jeep, she loves it.
I haven’t had issues anymore! Super happy with the truck!
Had the same issue. Had my def pump and heater replaced. Have the same issue again. Glad it is under warranty. Either going to trade it for a gasser or power wagon. Love the diesel. Don’t love the headache. Too bad.
Sometime ago I researched the actual engine and manufacturer learning much in doing so. When I mentioned to my son I saw several videos how this oil burner was so amazing, he loudly ordered me to stay the hell away from diesels period. He’s a professional truck driver and he HATES the regen systems. The truck industry as a whole suffers load delays, driver time, shop time constantly dealing with these issues. He goes through limp mode about twice a year. Volvo tracks. 2021’s
Yes modern Diesel engines are crap!
It’s not a freezing issue either! I live in Texas and my Ram 3500 did the same thing in June! And I was told my warranty would not cover the $7000 repair!
I traded it for my Mojave Gladiator….y’all can keep your diesels!
I too am a truck driver and should have known better… all 2009 and up Diesel engines are junk because of their DEF systems.
I would never have purchased that Dodge Ram if I would have known that the warranty was not going to cover DEF break downs! I’m still passed off about that whole deal!
I drive a truck for a living. I have been towed multiple times with the newer diesels. The old diesels just ran until turned off. I traded Ram 2500 with 6700 miles on it due to this junk.
The DEF in the tank being frozen and not running the truck long enough to fully thaw it can cause the level sensor to not be able to report the remaining DEF. If this continues for too many key cycles it can trigger a CEL. If this happens again you can bring it into a heated garage overnight to allow the DEF to melt, or let the truck idle outside for (not joking) 2-4 hours so the entire tank thaws. The Gladiator DEF tank is quite tall and the heater is only at the bottom so it can take some time.
In your case, based off the codes, it might be a heater issue with your pump module. Its possible that the wire isn't fully seated for the heater and its getting interment signals. Or, you're unlucky and gor a bad heater, which would require a tank replacement, which would be covered under warranty.
Pump pressure too low after swapping pumps is a decent sign that the heaters aren't working as there's likely a cavity of air where your truck used the melted DEF and and the frozen block of it above the pump. This can cause further issues as the pump is not great at self priming.
I hope you managed to get this fixed and are enjoying your truck.
Damn. Unreliable, well it is a brand new system, but for 66,000 dollars you should not have to deal with it.
Thanks, now I know what that buzzing is when I shut it off. 2100 miles on mine, no issues so far.
No problem! Im glad i get to use some of my Cat knowledge again lol. Sometimes I miss working on those big tonka toys! I pray yours stays issue free!
@@MaxOverland Im glad you guys made it out alive
I have a 2020 Jeep Wrangler with the eco diesel and had the same/similar error codes at only 300 miles. I took it in to my dealer and the write up was that the tightened up a few things the looked loose, sounded like BS to me. The check engine light did not come on so, ok…. The following day I drove it cross country and the def warnings started this time telling me that in 155 miles the engine will not start GREAT!! Not what I wanted to see being now over 1000 miles from home. The engine however did start thankfully. When I got back in town I took it back into the dealer and they ended up ordering a new def tank and def heater. They had my Jeep for about a month due to the parts were on back order yada yada. Got it back and so far things have been good. Good luck to you!
I remember 2007. The year PACCAR had DPF trucks. Our leased 07’ kenworths within a year had issues. I got good and removing them for annual cleanings or out right replacements. Clean running trucks but damn.... problems.
Yep, their newer trucks still have emissions related problems as well! The MX power plant has been a huge let down for many fleets!
Cold weather is probably one of the biggest problems with def system make sure you are running a full tank of Def always.
I will personally steer clear of the eco-diesel. Loved my 2016 Ram1500 ED and that engine had multiple issues and was drinking a full tank of coolant every 400 miles in the middle of PA winter with only 28,000 miles. Ended up trading it in bc they couldn’t figure out the issues.
oh wow who was servicing it a bunch of idoits because soon as i seen your problem i knew that it was a cracked EGR very common issue and its fixed in like 30 min cant believe you had a problem with a well known recall and super easy fix dont go were you were going ever again!!!
That's why I stayed away from the diesel and went with the simple proven v6. Hope they figure it out.
I did a LT1 with a 8 speed on 1 tons and 40s with a metalclock 5n1/2 lift. I got it tuned to about 500 foot pounds of torque I get about 20 mpg on the highway and about 16mpg in town if I drive it mild. Had Robbie at motech in Vegas Got about 5k on it now and been running like a champ and it spins the 40s like a rock star can’t what to drop a whipple 2.9 on it next month
I’m sure it’s solved by now, I’m a tech for Ford and have worked on many of these systems… to me it sounds like the tech did not prime the pump with urethra before installing.
I appreciate your Insight. I myself have been trying to debate whether or not I should get the gas version or go with a diesel.
I can see the benefits and the downsides to both. It comes down to cost. Because of the price of fuel locally, it's actually more cost-effective to drive diesel but because of the expense of buying the diesel over the gas, it's actually cheaper to purchase the gas version.
If the def level is too high it van splash into the nozzle which is not heated and it will freeze throwing a code.
Other issue being, mechanics are not certified to work on diesels. Dealerships do not send people to school like they claim.
Man,,, I almost just bought a 21 wrangler eco diesel, glad I went with the gas gladiator instead.i don’t want the headaches even if the power was nice. Good luck man.
I have the ecodiesl gladiator, it has the 37 tires and the other gear you would expect. Mine is 2021 Rubicon with 8000 miles. I haven't had a single issues. I traded my 2018 jlu for it. The ecodiesl is such better. You are missing out. It drives smother than my jlu and doesn't have the steering issues either, although I still replaced it with steersmarts. Lol
@@taraaaron1242 nice, yeah I test drove it, not really into it. Gotta move those 37’s well tho👍. Too much unknowns at this point too. Gen 1 and 2 were complete lemons. Hope they got it right this time man. Sounds like yours is doing we’ll
They’ll be great until the warranty runs out
All modern diesels are gonna have DEF/DPF issues. No way around it. Not a matter of “if” but “when.” Thank the EPA. I say this driving a deleted F250. This is probably my last diesel.
If you do choose a newer diesel, trade/sell it before the warranty runs out.
I am thinking about getting an ecodiesel and deleting right after warranty. Think I would have any problems after that?
Thanks for sharing brother. Thinking of getting a new gladiator. I did not know about the purging in the line for the DEF. I'm in Canada so its gets cold here in the winter. I think the regular pentastar may be lacking so that's why I wanted the diesel.
Don’t do it! Run away….
It’s not a freezing issue!
My Dodge Ram Dually did the same thing in June, here in Texas! And the worthless warranty would not cover the repair!
But hey what’s $7k amongst friends? 🤬
@@shawnblaylock5956 Wow !!!!! Thanks for the reply, I think I will get a pentastar if I get one as the stuff I read about the diesels is just scary!!!
I know it's not an apples to apples comparison, but I've got a 2020 ram 1500 ecodiesel that just crossed 21k miles with no issues. I got it June 2020, and 95% of miles have been highway, so the miles have been going on decently fast. I also used it in Wyoming (and in Michigan) when it was winter and I didn't have any issues with freezing def (even in -10 degrees). It's been nothing but great for me, hopefully it works out for you
Did your dealer ever find the root cause to this problem? I was in the process of buying a 2021 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon Ecodiesel and the dealer could not figure out what was going on with the EXACT same issue that you are having. I didn't buy it because I couldn't even drive it home.
PLEASE HELP!!!!
My dealer replaced the def pump. That fixed my issues.
@@MaxOverland - My dealer is still stating that the DEF froze in the tank and caused the infrared gauge to produce a false negative report of no DEF in the tank. This placed the Jeep into "limp mode". There were no check engine error codes, just the DEF sensor stating there was not DEF in the tank. I wonder if anyone else has ever experienced this in very cold weather. I do know that DEF freezes at about 10-12 degrees.
Urea is injected into the scr. Reacts with NOx and turns it into nitrogen, oxygen and water.
Some vehicles have a dpf and scr. Some pre 2012’s only have the dpf.
The main show is the dpf. Where it traps all the soot and burns it in a regeneration when it’s full by either fueling it with another injector within the dpf, or on the exhaust stroke in the engine.
And ur Adblue tank has a heater …
Modern day diesels have these systems. They are all problematic especially if you only do city.
I tuned mine out so to speak 😅
There is a corrective fix coming out end of next month for the DEF error. It’s a programming error
How do I get it early!? My dealer is idiots then. If it’s a software issue. They shouldn’t be replacing pumps!
still got your Tazer?
@@mattbrew11 yes sir!
So what did you do with your tazer?
cleared out those codes when it was cold outside and they haven’t returned. Now I’m on a beta software upgrade.
Just picked up a 2022, hoping to tow a small camper and still be able to do some moderate wheeling after I get there, not sure about tire size 35s or 37s really don’t want to re-gear or overheat on hills? Any advice?
Have heard of this several times now in FB Gladiator group and the forums. Really inexcusable considering this engine is already in the Wrangler and Ram trucks. I really wanted to go diesel when I bought my JT, now glad I went with the gasser- 20k miles on mine without a single issue of any kind. Hoping they can get this sorted out in short order since it’s sounding fairly common.
You might want to switch to a regular gas 3.6L Engine Pentastar. If nothing improves for many attempts, you may file a lemon 🍋 complaint in getting another Gladiator.
I ended up buying a 3.6L wrangler rubicon.
P20e8 was likely caused because the new pump failed to prime due to air being introduced to the system...the tech probably needs to finish priming the pump. Love my ecodiesel gladiator sport s. Only issue I had was frozen def back in February and honestly that's probably what happened to you with the original pump
I will keep my 2022 Gladiator Rubicon V6....Thanks
I actually just sold the diesel. Was having more issues and decided I was done. Ended getting a 2018 Silverado for a daily. Will build my older jeeps and not drive a jeep for a daily.
I have an ecodiesel gladiator with no issues knock in wood. Keep in mind the ecodiesel has been around for many years so this is not what I would consider a new engine.
I almost got to 5k miles before I had a check engine light and many issues with fuel system and fuel pump. Car shaking aggressively and sounds like the engines going to fall out. Major issues with getting jeep to fix this issue. Also problems with the manual trans creating clutch noise occasionally.
been thinking to swapping my 2017 rubicon for eco diesel wrangler or gladiator. Word of advise screw the dealer!!! don't pay for any warranty crap, those guys are worthless!!! At the end of the day nothing is covered. Find your self good aftermarket shop and go there.
100% agree! Not sure what they expect. Most people buy jeeps for a reason. We like to explore and modify. Then they won’t take care of us. I’d swap all day any day for a diesel again!
@@MaxOverland Yea I found a good off-road shop and if would have any issues with the Jeep that’s where I would go, not the dealer! If you have a chance to go inside and see who’s working at the dealer you’ll see it’s bunch of younger inexperienced people with one older mechanic person. Not what you’ll find in off-road shop.
I am no fan of anything big 3 because of the past experience. I will make you feel better. I am a huge Toyota fan. My six month old Tundra needed a NEW BATTERY 4 days ago. It was a no crank after work. Dealer tested the battery and it failed. My truck has almost 6 000 kms now. Previous 3 Toyotas, battery would last 5 to 7 years.
The big 3’s diesels turned me into a Toyota gasser! Oh and a Benz diesel.... Couldn’t be happier with my yota!
Outstanding information for a potential buyer. Thank you. Well done.
I just bought a diesel wrangler and I was definitely wondering about the buzzing noise, lol. I hope you get the issue fixed! I love the way these diesels feel, but I also hope the turn out to be decently reliable.
DEF sistem sometimes has a little problem,, probably in cold weather some DEF sensor has been stoked..
Thanks for the video. I have a 2021 Jl Wrangler rubicon, it has 2,990 miles saying that I have 200 miles to refill def or vehicle will shut off?
Did you just put def fluid in before this happened. Sometimes new def is setting on the shelf to linger and exspires. It causes all the stuff you are mentioning.
Man that stinks, sorry you have to deal with that. After reading about the problems with the diesel I went with the 3.6 pentastar when I bought my gladiator. I'm an automotive technician and I can tell you first hand that all these EPA restrictions are choking the life out of cars. I bet that engine would be very reliable if they got rid of all those emissions devices and ran it like an old Cummins.
Good luck with the huskies, we have 4 that are 13 years old and they still escape. It’s all fun
Hi Buddy,
I’m also a RE/MAX Agent 😀 driving a 2020 ram eco-diesel, 15k with no problems so far
Sorry to hear about your new ECODiesel problems. I haven'y heard about this defect but Casy250 on RUclips had a problem with his diesel Wrangler. Check his channel out. I was going to order a diesel Gladiator but changed my mind and purchased a 2021 Power Wagon instead.
Yeah I remember watching his. Luckily it wasn’t too much of an issue for him. Hoping mine gets fixed soon. It’s putting a damper on my plans LOL. The power wagons are badass!! Congrats!!
@@MaxOverland Max just trade yours in and get the trx please. Save yourself the headaches
Supposedly I have heard that if you idle around too much they will have that issue..... you have to hold it wide every now and again..... I have one in a wrangler no issues so far....
Haha issue is I’m wide open throttle a lot LOL. I’m a realtor so I drive a ton.
@@MaxOverland DEF is a joke.... nothing but problems and a pain to deal with..... i know guys with deleted rigs and they get better mileage and seem pretty clean like no black smoke.... i wish they would do away with the piss juice
The diesel still has issues to work
Out
It sucks that you gotta deal with that. Hopefully it gets all fixed up soon
I'm wondering if the gladiator will get the 392 ????
Hopefully someone will come out with a bullet proof system. Also sounds like you need new mechanics.
Maybe someday! Ugh and yes they better get this crap figured out soon.
Def and dpf, scr systems been around in trucks for a long time now. The best fix is to remove it completely
Brand new truck and it’s already having issues? Junk
I thought the same thing at the time I made the video. Knock on wood it’s been good since the issue.
Diesel today with emissions is a mistake to purchase unless it’s a big rig and you haul for business ...
?? They have lower CO2 emissions by 20%
Should've taken a video of the husky chase.
Sooo...ditch the DEF system as soon as the warranty is up.
Extremely weak customer service and vehicle service departments have been a weakness in Jeep/Chrysler dealerships for decades. I wish you good luck, but I don't expect you will be treated fairly.
Mine did it at the exact same mileage. I reset it myself the first time but it came back. I then took it to the dealership and they said it was air pocket on the DEF system. Who knows if it comes back. I still love the truck!
How's that junk running now? Not a slam on your vehicle, a slam on the technology
Casey 250 on you tube had issues with his Rubicon he was first in Canada with it shutting down
was this engine based off of the WK2 platform??
Man that’s sucks
Hopefully all gets worked out, is that the same motor they were putting in the ram trucks, knew a guy that had one for awhile and now he’s driving a Chevy
Gotta make a call and get my gasser Gladiator in for a regear and order up a spare tire carrier and which soon
Having owned a 2015 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel I can say that the engine is a POS. Consumers get caught up in the idea that "hey its a diesel AND it gets pretty good MPG. Well, with an EGR DEF system it wont last long. GUARANTEED!I cleaned my EGR tube numerous times, cleaned my TPS, got my fingers into the intake and I could pull out and visually look in and see TONS of nasty coked up soot. NO way it'll last. Traded it in for a 6.4 Gasser... Couldnt be happier. If you want a diesel....get a diesel...not an ECODiesel.
Damn 😢...I have a Honda and still going strong!Go anywhere with it too
It’s not a freezing temperature issue!
It’s the EPA restrictions…
All of you who say my diesel is or has been fine…
Just wait
You better buy a extended warranty!! You fixing to need it!!!
Jeep Just Expect Every Problem
Yup except we love it anyways LOL
Jeep owner comments: "I have 4k miles no problems"
Honda owner comments: "350k on this baby, all good"
EPA SUCKS!!! Forcing people to destroy their vehicle's
There will probably be a tsb about this later on down the line...
I see a dpf/def delete video in my future
I hate to hear about new vehicles having issues so soon. I love Wranglers and Gladiators. I hope they figured it out by now.
Might just have to delete it lol
Any updates?
Yes sir! It’s been working great!
@@MaxOverland - What did the dealer repair shop do to fix this? My service department has no idea.
@@victorpolston2885 replaced the pump for a second time. That fixed the issue.
Raise hell with the dealer! Your the customer that pays there bills! F them and go to another dealer.
The sad part is that all of your emissions warranty ends with your 3/36 bumper to bumper. Then you’re on your own. You better learn the system by then, so you can do your own repairs.
After warranty dump it.
Can just go back to just putting diesel in our truck No def needed
Intro song?
I wouldn’t buy diesel powered anything today... thanks to the government, they are problematic!
“Not modified at all”, “Back on 40’s…”. 🤔
DEF diesel fuel
The more I watch on these diesels make me so sure I will never buy one
It’s been great since we got the issues fixed! I haven’t had any issues. Have almost 20k on it now.
I'm glad to hear that
Run away from new diesels,
You can find it better ways to spend your dollar.
Never stopping problem. RUN AWAY NOW
I agree. I've started craving 1970s Detriot two-strokes, CATs, and pre-def Cummins.
The new Jeeps and 2022 diesel Yukons look good, temping, but i hate what politics did to diesel
Probably won’t have that issue in Texas lol
Wrong!
My Ram Dually did the same shit in June!
And the warranty wouldn’t cover the $7k repair! 🤬
All of y’all who say mine has been fine….
Good luck with that! You’re going to need it sooner or later
should of kept the other Gladiator
Complete delete*
Good to know (Fix It Again Tony) is still FU
Nothing new fiat Chrysler are really bad vehicles
Jeep and diesel? recipe for disaster.
DELETE DELETE DELETE!!! They run so much better an more reliable!
Unless you know something I don't, there are no efficient tunes for it yet
just bypass and delete that whole system, you will get better fuel mileage and more power
screws up the warranty . he needs to wait until jeep is no longer responsible
This is my plan but I don't know if I can do it myself.
too much talking not enough action.....
What kind of action would you expect in a video like this?
@@MaxOverland maybe do a podcast
It's a FIIIIIAT that's why😂 get a REAL truck
Toyota all day for long!