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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Old Believers!
Film by Margaret Hixon
Produced by Margaret Hixon
Cinematographer: Harry Dawson and John Stewart
Sound: Dan Adams and Glenn Micallef
Editing: Harry Dawson
Copyright: 1981, Margaret Hixon
29 minutes, Color
Original format: Film: 16mm, 1981
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In the 1660s Patriarch Nikon, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, instituted reforms in Russian Orthodox ritual and usage. These included such things as the wording and number of prayers, the configuration of the hand when making the sign of the cross, the spelling of Jesus' name, and the like. Nikon's stated purpose was to bring the Russian Orthodox Church into closer alignment with the usages of the Greek Orthodox Church of his day, as he believed the Greeks surpassed the Russians in preserving ancient Orthodox tradition.
Whatever the merits of Nikon's position, it was opposed by millions of Russian believers. In the resulting Great Schism Nikon, most of the clergy, the Tsar and many common folk accepted the reforms, resulting in what is today commonly called the Russian Orthodox Church. Other clergy, along with millions of believers, rejected the reforms, sometimes choosing martyrdom rather than abandoning the old ways. For their adherence to the "old ritual" they became known as "Old Believers" or "Old Ritualists", and became subject to fluctuating levels of persecution over the life of the Russian empire and that of the Soviet Union.
Over the course of time, millions of Old Believers fled to the outskirts of the Russian Empire in search of greaterfr religious freedom. Many crossed borders, or stayed put as borders moved around them, and as a result ended up in modern Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey and China. Some fled the country with the advent of Soviet power. Others stayed. Some groups adopted modern ways in everything but liturgical matters. Others maintained traditional dress, hairstyle, and folkways as part of their Old Believer practice.
Margaret Hixon's 1981 film documents a real-life wedding in the Old Believer settlements of Marion County, Oregon, in the years 1979 and 1980. The film briefly touches on a wealth of traditional arts (embroidery, clothing construction, weaving, vernacular architecture, folk song and foodways) and beautifully presents a whole series of rituals -- the "devichnik" (engagement party), "selling" the bride and her braid, the wedding feast, the bargaining over the dowry, and the ceremony of bestowing gifts and advice on the newlyweds. In English and Russian with subtitles or voice-over translations. (This descriptive material is from the website Old Believers In North America)
A strikingly beautiful film... the film's visual delights...lead us to a clearer understanding of the cultural values that lie at the heart of Old Believer society.
--- Richard Meyer, Journal of American Folklore
I am an old Russian believer from Romania (lipovan) and even though our traditions aren't as severe ,most of our beliefs and traditions are kept the same as our ancestors old believes from Russia. It's amazing seeing how all these groups and traditions are kept around the whole world.
Also, idk why but our folk songs are the best songs EVER
Glad you're happy with the fact that these beautiful traditions and beliefs are not lost through the years. The songs are very nice indeed! Thanks, Alexandru for your comment.
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What do old believers teach about contraception?
my grandfather was a lipovan from tulcea and i am slowly rediscovering my roots. Doame miluieste.
The embroidery is truly beautiful and I could watch the lady weaving all day long ..
I love all kind of needlework, & I also can sit & watch all day as well. If you like quilting, I use to have a video on a wonderful documentary that was not mine so the rightful owner took it out. I don't mind that but people loved it & it inspired a lot of them to quilt. I am going to put you the link here so you can watch it that is if you like quilting. Kathleen Ware, Quiltmaker (1979). It is a Folkstream video that you find on Google. I hope you enjoy it. Thanks
I’m not necessarily an Old Believer but I sympathize wholeheartedly with you.
Also, I cross myself the two-finger way, but I go to a Greek Orthodox Church.
You mean the three fingers way as it represents "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit". The Greek Orthodox Faith. I'm glad to know that you Go to that church since it is also an Old Religion that did not change since the time of Jesus Christ! Thanks for stopping by and God bless you!🙏☦⛪
The needle work is awesome.
i am in this religion and i was born in brazil but i live in America currently. i feel like this is a good representing of the religion but we are a bit more modernized now.
Siklitikia Piatkov How does one come and become an old believer?
Travis Glenn there are very few old believes around. It would be hard to find a old believer church to attend. Very very few
Kyril J not every woman wears a head covering 24/7, this isn't strictly mandatory. When I'm in Russia in the village all women cover their heads, but some of the women that live in Moscow but come to the village just for the Divine Services, evidently don't cover their heads outside the village.
I myself, I mean I'm a young guy, living in the west currently. I wear street wear, but don't forsake my baptismal belt under my clothes, and although I'm too young for a beard, I keep a moustache.
@@travyglenn You have to find an old believers church that is willing to baptize u & also someone that can teach you everything, but you need to know if thats really what u want.
@@travyglenn you most likely would even be given a different name
We should all seek to ensure the countries where we live allow religious freedom and democracy so people can live in peace whatever their beliefs, as important today as in the 1600s, here in the UK as much as anywhere else too.
This religion has gone on far but is falling apart quite quickly. The elderly are passing away and the young show no interest and don't bother to learn.
I am a old believer from Oregon and I'm 15 me and all of my cousins and siblings are going bible studys and are still learning. We are setting up a russian school its gonna be finished next year or in 2 years
Its because when we've leanred it all our lives, most of us havent always known what the words meant but the will hopfully change soon
Its sad really😢💕
@@feviamolodih1078 Quite sad the elderly have failed to teach the kids. The kids have adopted western culture and have dropped their own. Everywhere all I hear is God forbidden music being played by the young. They can't drive anywhere without playing some stupid rap song. The young dont understand heresy or paganism. They dont understand why dining at restaurants is forbidden. They dont understand anything. We are truly lost. Their fathers do the same and they just copy and think it's right.
@@simplewick350 That is really true, the perants should be setting an exasmple for the kids since they were young
I love this kind of story teller or narrator...who is she ? I like cameraman work too
What amazingly enduring and beautiful people they are. Hope their way of life continues. As a side note, the blonde guy at the wedding clearly drank a bit too much braga; there's one in every crowd, but he was hilarious.
I see some of my relatives in this video.
A lot has changed since this video was made
As much as I love this video it fails to explain the difference between the mainstream Russian Orthodox Christianity and the Old Believers.
I believe that there is no difference between the mainstream Russian Orthodox Christianity & the Old Believers, the church has been the same since the conversion of Russia to Orthodoxy, however, the Old Believers rebelled against the church & many of them were persecuted & even killed for their beliefs. This happened in the 1650"s. However, their number is declining drastically. You could find all the answers on Google under facts & details when you type: do old believers still exist? Christianization of the Rus'. The Kievan period. Orthodox Christian Constantinople's greatest mission outreach was to areas known as Kievan Rus that are now the states of Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia. Christianity was introduced into Kievan Rus by Greek missionaries from Byzantium in the 9th century.
Recognition: (as a Patriarchate) in 1589 by Co...
Independence: 1448, de facto in the Metropolis ...
Founder: Apostle Andrew, Vladimir of Kiev, Mi...
History of the Russian Orthodox Church - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Russian_Orthodox_Church. Thanks for your interest, God bless.
@@irinaki2011 Thank you for the answer and the link. I personally know a thing or two about the Old Believers, the Schism and their theological standing points - we have them here in Estonia, too. They came in the 17th century to flee persecution in Russia (Estonia was part of the more tolerant Swedish Empire then), are settled mostly on the shores of Lake Peipus (Chudskoye ozero in Russian) and are sometimes referred to as "the Onion Russians", because they are known for their tasty onions which they sell at markets and fairs. What I wanted to say is that the video makes no mention or avoids the issue of their raison d'etre.
@@xwiirastusxHow interesting, " the onion Russians" haha. Yes, I agree that the video is just their way of life on a daily basis & not the true reason for them called Old Believers, & as you put their raison d'etre. Folkstream is the rightful owner of the video, I just uploaded it.
Old Orthodox Pomorian Church preserved the Christian Faith till the modern days.
Jesus Christ, The Way, The Truth, The Life. My Savior, My Lord. My walk in His Holy Spirit is my Light. Walking in the day, not in the night.
Jesus Christ, The Light of the world.
Amen.
Amen! God bless you.
@@irinaki2011
Thank you ❤️
God bless you also! 🙏
Very nice video :-)
+N. Taranko Thank you for your nice comment, God bless!
Desire to be the best you can be in all you do and live knowing that intention defines your character, not religion and state.
But real question is. Wat defines ‘Better’ or what your intentions are? I think for every one it is what they believe in.
@@juliusbakker4415 intentions are internal, “best” is determined by the individual
@@ruthojen well if you believe that. Doesn’t Thad mean that there is no objective morality? And that every action you take can be justified simply by saying that you as an individual think it was the rite one? Doesn’t that just mean ‘do what ever you want’? How can you expect that?
@@juliusbakker4415 the crusades, the inquisition, ethnic cleansing all come with hang tags that say « morally approved. » maybe I believe in objective reality e.g. the sun comes up and goes down and human behavior in a gross generalization is self-serving whether I like it or not
@@ruthojen wel there are exceptional people that sacrifice their entire life for others. When you hear about or even meet such people you’re mouth drops because of how good and graceful they are. I think that there is no higher purpose than to imitate those people. Even when you’re an atheist I can’t see how you can disagree with that. Or do you think there is a higher goal in live?
Hmm. I hope none of these people continue to kill tigers, or sell them to the dreadful Chinese medicine industry, that's awful!
I agree with you, I am against cruelty to animals for whatsoever reason. Thanks for commenting Barbara.
In 1666???
They seem more like Hutterites, like you see in South Dakota. Which regardless of how they live the sect is only like 300 years old. I could go on about how Anabaptists are messed up, but I'd like for you to just explain a little more.
They are not Hutterites, they are Orthodox meaning they follow the Greek Orthodox faith; Being the oldest religion that ever existed since the coming of Christ, the Orthodox Christians are referred to as the old believers & they get baptized when they are still babies.Thank you Dakota Neuman for your interest & your honest comment!
Why no Icons, or Divine Liturgy then?
Dakota Neuman The beginning of this documentary shows Icons & you can hear prayers as well; This did not change, however, they have moved so much in their lives that they have lost some of their traditions & customs but not their faith. There is no church in the video where you can spot the Icons but at 27.26 The icons & prayers books are surely mentioned. Thank you.
Thank You!
Dakota Neuman You are welcome.
Is somebody here OB old-rite and old-orthodox of russian?
They dont show in the church cause it is a sin for cameras or technology to me in the church
Can someone please tell me, I thought that old believers made the sign of the cross with the left hand ?? Also aren't all the men meant to wear beards ??
No, on the contrary, they make the sign of the cross with the right hand & right before left not like the Catholics do. the ones that wear beards are the monks & the priests,( the clergy) not the lay people. Thank you for your interest.
Only one cross and it's made with the right hand. All people part of this religion must have a beard and is a sin to shave it. A few decades ago a part of the church broke away seeking something that does not exist no more. The ones who broke away don't follow the all the religious ways no more.
@@simplewick350 That is really true though, its called the other side & there are conflicts sometimes, someone were to get married to a person on the other side
We make the sign of the cross on the right hand, & men are not allowed to shave there beards
How does this religion differ to that of Russian Orthodox?
Not in theology but only in ritual traditions. They consider each other to be good and proper
Are these people suppose to be Orthodox? I see no Icons, and a few other things seem to be off.
Supposed to be ??? They are the truly orthodox Orthodox !
Доброго здоровья всем! Надо всем переезжать на свою историческую родину в Россию я переехал 20 лет назад и ни разу не пожелел а своём решении мы на в других странах живём веками всё ровно мы там чужие
Are there still old believers in Oregon?
+Valerie Fredrick Yes there are old believers in Oregon & in all North America. The Greek Orthodox church (Old Believers) have spread all throughout North America.
+Eoina Kulikov Thank you for your information, it is good to know that his son became a Priest... The Orthodox Faith is really spreading! God bless you & all the Orthodox people.
+salam irini Awad Thank you very much! do you know if there are any near western Kentucky?
+Valerie Fredrick Here are a few, I am not sure if they are close to you. I hope you will be able to find one near you, good luck & God bless!Parishes - Kentucky - Orthodox Church in America
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+salam irini Awad
Thank you.
Not exactly a fan of the 13 years old marriages and women status in general.
My mom got married when she was 14, she didnt want to same for me though
@@feviamolodih1078 that is really interesting. Could you tel more about it? Do you and your husband have a good relationship despite getting married so young? Do you Regret getting married? I would love to hir about it🙂
@@juliusbakker4415 I'm not married, sorry if you didn't expect that
My mom did get married at 14, & it was normal, I only stated to go out to the divishnek at 16
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He said:
- His ass is grown up & he can't enter to the door =)
Babylon is fallen. The Orthodox church as well as the Catholic church and the creed-bound Protestant churches are Babylon. Keep the word of God. Don't follow human traditions. The Lord has said, "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Matthew 15:9