What i want - 980 pro. 500GB What i have - 970 plus 500GB What i need - 860 Evo 2TB What i learnt is am addicted to speeds that i can't afford. I will stick to my 970 Evo plus till it dies.
And you exactly described how I think too. I have all three in this machine (but my 860 EVO is 500GB) and few HDDs for mass storage. My path is that when speed/capacity isn't adequate (and finances allow) I get better parts and keep using old ones for less demanding stuff. But, as there isn't that much difference IRL between 970EP and 980 PRO and they would probably be dead after the same workload put through them sticking with 970EP is a good idea.
Im glad you reply every question in here, my question is, can u suggest which one is better with ryzen 5600x+rtx 3060 ti and also which mobo are the best for 1tb ssd x2
Hi Aiman, it's your money so you have to decide if you want to invest in to the best (980 PRO) or something good (970 EP). Both drives are very capable so you wont feel much difference between them. But still, 980 PRO is a faster drive but still not that much faster as its price suggest. There is a new version (silent update) of a 970 EVO Plus, probably due to electronic component shortages. Now it uses 980 PRO controller set in gen 3.0 mode with a slower Flash writes. So, the difference is do you want almost the same drive in gen 3.0 or 4.0? About the motherboard, if you want a full PCIe Gen. 4.0 speed on both M.2 sockets you have to go with a X570 chipset. Now there are X570s versions without a fan if you want the most silent options. If you go with B550 mbo, second socket works with Gen 3.0 speed. Some motherboards have more than two sockets but other sockets share bandwidth with the second socket. For exact brand/model you should check some sites that are oriented toward mbo testing because there can be big differences in VRMs (power delivery) and cooling between almost the same models.
Please I want to replace my SSD from my Macbook Pro 2015 Retina, only 128gb. Whats the best SSD for video editing in Premiere Pro? I saw that have any adapter to run this, can u tell me what adapter can I use, and what Samsumg Ssd is better in my case ? Thanks a lot for the video, congrats Bro !!!
Very good comparison! I am thinking of switching to AMD to be able to add PCIE-4 and this bad boy. Currently I have Evo Plus and I use my workstation only for programming. Thanks man!
Hi Bogdan, EVO Plus is a fast drive but with a complete system upgrade you will probably see benefits in all areas. Sometimes, there are other factors that can come to mind for specific uses. My friend is a programmer too and works under Linux. He was using Intel platforms for years and although he wanted to switch to AMD was hesitant because of possible problems with driver support. But as he recently got his new high-end AMD business laptop and everything worked great (except RGB controls but that's not AMD's fault but lack of Linux support for that feature from laptop manufacturer) he has peace of mind to do it with his personal desktop.
@@dvr1337 With forced Intel CEO switch they have to make some aggressive moves to try to return lost market share. As AMD has trouble producing enough CPUs/GPUs their prices has gone up due to very high demand.
Truth is, these drives live at the 4k mark when transferring data and as you can see the Pro is only slightly faster than the Plus. Not even noticeable. But the price is! Synthetic benchmarks don't REALLY give you the truth about overall performance...
Synthetics show what the drive hardware is capable of. Using that capability is another story. For transferring data there is difference between these two drives. Speed for start then SLC cashe size where 980 PRO shines and 970 EP losses pace. Most user workloads don’t create enough IOPS to utilize most of the benefits that came with fully mature PCIe Gen. 4.0 drive. In real life tests benefits came to mostly 10% lower latency that came with the new generation of NAND and controller. But 980 PRO is faster but just as a grow up 970 EP. If it didn’t lose 2-bit NAND it would be the best drive for professional use. But that’s the way FLASH story goes. Less NAND cells for a bit lower price.
Hi. Thank you very much for the video... but I was wondering why the 980 Pro, which is a gen 4.0 device, was tested on a PCI 3.0 slot? I presume the numbers wouldn't be accurate and that the 980 would be bottlenecked compared to if it was tested on a PCI 4.0 slot?
Hi Maky, 980 PRO was tested both on a PCIe 3.0 and 4.0. Except this one test all are done on a 4.0. Test was done on a 3.0 also for two reasons. First, many users still use only Gen 3.0 capable machines, especially on an Intel platform, but plan on buying new NVMe drive (and maybe later transfer it to the new machine). Second, it was a way to more directly compare performance difference of the new controller and NAND flash of the 980 PRO vs. 970 EP.
LOL, I recognize your name from a video I was just at looking at these! Yep, if ya got PCIE4 and want to do editing and such it's worth it. I'm scoring over 28,000 on CinebenchR23 and getting nearly 7,000 BPS with the 980Pro 2TB version. It's pricey, yes, but I'll have it for ten years or the rest of my life, whichever comes first! Spending a bit more in my retirement computing instead of playing Bingo sounds more fun.
Hi John, having a full control and building ones world (real and virtual) is certainly more fun than waiting for someone to draw some random numbers :) I hope that those drives pass the 10 year mark and you make a video of replacing them. Although there are now some marginally faster drives Samsung top drives are usually very well polished before they even hit the market so they are great companions in a long run.
hello bro, i want to ask, with around 15$ different between 970 ep and 980 pro, is it really worthy to go for 980 pro? i use it for programming purpose
Sorry for late reply, Yt. didn't showed me your comment until now. I would go with 980 PRO but that doesn't mean you have to do that. You'll hardly feel any kind of noticeable difference. 980 PRO just has bigger top speed potential if you later need it and slightly lower latencies. Simply Gen 4.0 evolution of the 970 EP.
Hello. I’m wondering their difference in gaming loading time. I am looking for a 970 EP or 980 PRO for my new PC (capable for PCI-E 4.0) . And what I most care about is loading time in games. Nowadays most reviews shows us that how much MB/s does nothing for shortening the loading time. So simply upgrade to an PCI-E 4.0 is unlikely helps. But latency is a key, and we saw Samsung put a new controller for 980 pro. I wonder if the new controller shortens the latency and then loading times
Hi Tako, in a test latency is little over 10% better with 980 PRO (Elpis controller) than on 970 EP (Phoenix) but that is mostly due to newer version of V-NAND in a 980. There is not much info around about Elpis. Other than PCIe Gen 4.0 support it has 128 IO Queue vs 32 on Phoenix so it can much better handle simultaneous activity. That can be beneficial on high core count CPUs. Other than that it's built on 8nm process vs 14nm on older controller. That makes it more power efficient but as it has much bigger throughput it's power consumption is a bit higher than on older Phoenix. Considering real world speed I would look for Random 4k Q1T1 speed results because everything else depends strongly on a activity you do. For example, if you do video editing sequential speed is very important too. But most manufacturers can push sequential speed but working with a small, random data is not an easy task. About speed difference in a game loading times, I'm not sure if it would be noticeable. We are not talking about the hdd vs sdd. Or even ssd vs nvme. Both 970 EP and 980 PRO are great and fast drives and difference between them might not be that noticeable but maybe measurable. I could do some testing on a drives with a few older games I have (WoT, X-com, Fallout NV, Witcher III) and maybe add one or two more but it would take some time to do it.
@@EnVildKat Thanks for giving so many tips! Now I guess that 980 pro have more random write&read speed and slightly reduce the latency. But this may unnoticeable in daily loading time, compare with some high-end PCI 3.0 drives like 970 EP. Now I am using a quad-core 4.0Ghz, DDR3 and SATA SSD computer. Not only games, when I load a profile in some software, “impulse” workload get in, my computer behave like a shocked grammy and freeze everything for about 10 secs. Hopefully new techs like Ryzen, DDR 4 and NVME will reduce that freeze.
@@dondonMMD You're welcome! I'm doing the game load time tests and results are almost the same between them. I'll finish the tests tomorrow and will publish the results next week. Considering stalls, it can be many things. Let's assume CPU is not 100% occupied when that happens. You checked Resource monitor (CPU/Disk)? For example it might help to know what ssd do you have and how much free space you have on it? Do you have some software that can check it's health (like Magician for Samsung)? There might be ecc errors if flash is on the end of the lifetime so controller needs time to correct read data. If you don't have newest firmware, installing it sometimes fixes some issues. Do you have hard drive and do you store some programs you use on it? Are CPU temperatures o.k. under full load (thermal throttling)? Can it be some sw related problem like antivirus?
@@EnVildKat Thinks for the tests with patient! Now I’m using an Intel 4790 without overclocking. Mostly I the “freezing” is due to CPU. I have noticed when a thread hits fully occupied. The entire system is slowed down or go lagging. Even this CPU have 4 cores and 8 threads. I guess the older Intel CPU can’t handle this “impulse” single thread workload. On the other hand, loading is a teamwork. Whether CPU, RAM or drives gets a bottleneck, the entire system will slow down. So I am considering to build a new PC from scratch in these days.
@@dondonMMD If the whole machine was well rounded when it was built (so now no cheaply curable bottlenecks) and you feel now it doesn't satisfies your needs then your thinking about building a new one might be a good decision.
So basically it makes no sense to use the Pro unless you're handling professional workloads which would deplete cache. Standard consumers simply won't do this ever, or at most rarely
Even with professional workloads you would put on 980 PRO you don't have what you had with the older 970 PRO, endurance of the 2-bit (MLC) NAND. So now, when comparing 970 EVO Plus and and 980 PRO only real benefit you have is speed and dynamic cashe. If you are on a Gen 3.0 controller difference is even lower. If you fill 980 PRO with data (and you certainly will) dynamic cashe size will be lower so cashe will deplete faster. As I see it, if someone has EVO Plus in a system and goes for the same capacity (500GB vs 500GB or 1TB vs. 1TB) there is no point in upgrading, even with the Gen 4.0 board, if there is not specific need that 980 PRO might help to fulfil. But if you're buying new drive and the price is close enough, even on Gen 3.0, 980 PRO is a better choice. You have the capability to unlock speed if you upgrade your motherboard in the future.
Thank you Axel. When I bought X570 chipset paired with 970 EVO Plus I bought it with the plan to later install some future Samsung Gen 4.0 drive. Gen 4 hyped speeds sounded great but graphs and number don't always relate to realistic performance increase. This video answered almost all questions I personally had about their difference. Only thing i wish I tested too was performance when drives are more then half full but that would probably only made a difference in continues writes and possible negate big dynamic cashe benefit that 980 PRO has.
@@EnVildKat Hello, can I put these two ssd laptops? but the laptop document states that the laptop has ssd 512 nvme m 2 2280 PCi @ Gen 3, one of these ssd is 980 pro PCi @ Gen 4, the question is, will my laptop work with these two ssd? . Bye
@@reshad711 Hi, if you have M.2 slot that works in PCIe Gen 3.0 mode you can switch your current NVMe drive with any of these two drives. If you put 980 PRO (PCIe Gen 4.0 drive) it will work in Gen 3.0 mode with speeds measured in Gen 3.0 part of the video.
I am also thinking which one to buy as I will buy build a new PC soon. I think I would go with 980 PRO, 500 GB for OS and programs as I think you don't need more than that (it takes about 130 GB on my current PC), and 1 TB for everything else (video, photo editing and games). Or I could get additional 500 GB just for games. What do you think about the choice?
That's mostly how I always do it. In the moment I use 500 GB 980 PRO for OS (50% used), another 500 GB NVMe for other stuff like video editing and 500 GB SSD for games. Mass data storage is on the HDDs, internal and external. I have faster drives that I can use (KC3000 is on the shelf) but in reality there's not much of a difference in a everyday work between good and best drives. I doubt you would get any performance benefits if you go the 3rd drive route because (you might lose it depending on a mbo etc.). I do it because drive for editing takes lots of writes beating and game drive is mostly only reads. Heavy write activity in a drive means lot of internal data reshuffling even when idle (garbage collection, SLC cashe recovering etc.) so it can take a toll depending on a drive. But two good drives: OS and the rest is a good choice. Just keep in mind to have enough free space.
@@EnVildKat Sorry for replying late. Thank you very much for your reply. I really appreciate it. I will probably go with 500 GB for OS and 1 TB for everything else, but if I choose the grt the third one only for games, I think I will go with Samsung 970 Evo Plus. Thank you very much once again for the reply!
Right, if you now have gen 3.0 mbo you can have nice boost of speed when you move the drive to the Gen. 4.0 capable mbo/CPU. But even in gen 3.0 mode it works great because it's built for overall speed, not just sequential r/w.
Hi, on a Z490 motherboard Samsung 980 PRO would work in PCIe Gen. 3.0 mode as would a 970 PRO. You can find Gen 3.0 speeds in this video. 970 PRO has a big benefit of having twice the endurance (TBW) of a 980 PRO (3-bit TLC on a 980 PRO vs 2-bit on a 970 PRO). So. if you don't soon plan to switch to a newer platform with Gen 4.0 and you do lots of heavy writing tasks on a drive, 970 PRO is a good choice.
@@nelc2399 I appreciate the input and time to comment. If you want silence there's a mute button. Until RUclips changes its copyright policies making a deal with the music industry I'll put what can be in the video not rock/metal staff I listen. As people have different tastes I see no reason to even try to please anyone. If you don't like something point taken and life still goes on.
Yes, you can use all M.2 sockets you have at the same time. Just take into the account that all sockets don't necessarily have the same connection speed (PCIe gen 3 vs. gen 4 for example) to the CPU as that depends on a hardware used (CPU/mbo).
So I’m building a gaming pc right now, and I have the 2tb 970. Should I go with the 980? Right now for a 2tb 980, it’ll be 150 more. But I can get a 1tb 980 for around 50 cheaper than what I paid for on my 2tb 970. So if the 980 is the better choice should I get it?
Hi Alex, first thing to be sure about is that by 980 you mean PRO version not 'SSD 980'? Pro is a better drive, gen 4.0 so it's a better choice if you are building machine of the long run. But if you already have 970 EP than you won't feel much difference because it's a great gen. 3.0 drive. SSD 980 is a DRAMless so I wouldn't advise to get it for a performance oriented PC. Second thing, or maybe even first is how much space do you really need? Going for a too small drive that will have most of its capacity filled will impact its performance and shorten its life. You might go for a new 1TB 980 PRO for a O.S. and use 970 EP (or EVO) that you already have for games as there is almost no difference in game loading times between the two. But if you're thinking of buying a new drive just for a better performance than it might not be a priority upgrade at this time. Maybe soon there will be a new set of drive editions from different manufacturers (Kingston KC3000 might be a new speed king). But with unstable world economy, production problems on every level, inflation and Taiwan war threats any future upgrade plans might get into the GPU Twilight zone.
WD Black SN850 is slightly faster than Samsung 980 PRO but any difference in this category is hard to notice. WD SN750 has DRAM vs. SSD 980 being DRAM-less so SN750 is on a bit higher level as a drive. If you're asking what drive to choose from all these four then there is too much difference between these categories, both performance and in price and you are the one who will pay the price. If you need performance choose which one you like more (SN850/980PRO) and if you want to save some money than SN750 or something like a Samsung 970 EVO Plus is a good choice.
@@MichaelMolli It's a great drive and Samsung has a good reliability record and no matter SN850 or 980 PRO you'll have a top Gen. 4.0 drive in your system :)
Hey sorry im about to get into photography and video editing as a hobby i was wondering as someone thats new is it fine if I cheap out and go for the 970 evo?
Hi David, don't be sorry :) 970 EVO will still be faster than any hard drive so go for what's comfortable to get. You can always replace it with a faster drive in a future if you have PCIe Gen 4.0 capable CPU and motherboard.
Would 970 EVO plus as a boot drive and 980 pro as a work (render, Editing ) drive be ideal or will there be any noticeable differences. Should I go with both gen 4 drives?
Hi Syd, I doubt you would fell any noticeable difference in any combination. I didn't. 980 PRO and 970 EP have both the same endurance. Replacing 970 EP with 980 PRO and loading some 60 GB of video files into DaVinci Resolve timeline made maybe 1 or 2s difference. At this moment I use 980 PRO for O.s., 970 EP for some programs and for video editing and 860 Evo ssd for games (and hdds for storage). I have a spare Kingston KC3000 outside of the PC and I don't see any big reason to replace the 970 EP with it although it's a much faster drive. P.s. If you get one bigger drive instead of two smaller you'll get faster write speeds and still have at least one spare M.2 socket for future upgrades.
@@EnVildKat Thanks for the apt response, I did get a 2TB 980 pro for work and 970 Evo plus 1 TB for OS and a 860 for scratch drive. Your video really helped with this decision. I was planing Dual SN850s but found out about the bandwidth issue with Sns going through X570 chipset, research led me here.
@@syduploads1990 I hope you'll enjoy your storage setup and I'm glad I could help. You made a good decision not to get SN850s for video editing work. It's a very fast O.S. & gaming drive but when under continuous write load it was freezing constantly (writes dropped to ~11 MB/s ).
Thanks for this video, I need help, is 980 pro compatible with Gigabyte z490 ud an i7 10700 (for this speeds) I think maybe with above motherboard and cpu can't reach very different speed with 970 plus. Please answer it is right or not.
Hi Shayan, Gigabyte Z490 UD and i7 10700 combined can only provide PCIe Gen 3.0 speeds with the 980 PRO instaled. So, as you guessed, it will be close to the speeds of the 970 EVO Plus.
Was this speed from the start or suddenly started to happen? Maybe the drive is overheating so a thermal throttling occurs. What about other test results (SEQ1M Q8T1 and RND4K Q1T1), are they very low too? What CPU/MBO do you have and are all the right drivers for your motherboard chipset installed? How does Samsung Magician report health of the drive (maybe it's failing or on the end of its cell life cycles if you played with Chia for example) and how much data is written to the drive (TBW)? Do you have the latest firmware for 970 EP? Lots of questions but we have to try to pinpoint the problem.
Hi Resha, yes they are both great drives. It seams that Samsung is now using the same controller (silent change) on a 970 EP as on a 980 PRO but limited on a Gen 3.0 mode. With 980 PRO you will have full PCIe Gen. 4.0 speed on your system.
How much space do you need? If you watch my game loading time test video then you can see that there isn't any significant loading speed increase with a gen 4.0 drive although a drive is faster. Adding some passive cooler on an NVMe drive might prolong it's life in a hot environment.
@@gamervet7793 Well, although considering hardware compatibility probably any gen 3.0 drive could work, Sony wouldn't want that someone put a very low spec NVMe drive in the PS5 and then blame them for a low performance and stuttering. 980 Pro works well in all scenarios, so it's a good choice.
Hi Bryan, 980 PRO is the evolution of 970 EVO Plus and if price isn't important you'll get the better drive if you go with 980 PRO. You will get 10% better memory latency with faster and more capable controller, much higher sequential transfer rate when paired with motherboard with PCIe Gen 4.0 and you'll get much better SLC cashing profile for continuous writing (if you don't fill it with too much data). But, in most normal uses there isn't much, if any, noticeable difference and their write endurance is the same (NAND flash has finite life). So, everything comes back to the price and how much are you wiling to pay for that difference.
will the Samsung 980 PRO work on a ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming (WiFi 6) AMD AM4 Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 & 3rd Gen Ryzen and with a AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-core Processor? and is the 980 pro worth it then the 970 plus?
Yes, it will work in PCIe Gen 4.0 mode. rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-model/ Is it worth it? Watch my videos where their performance is compared and decide for yourself is it worth it for you.
980 PRO excels at continues writing. In normal activities it mostly comes down to performance benefits of lower latency (around 10% compared to 970 EVO). I tested both drives with opening saved project in Davinci Resolve 16 (62 GB full hd video). Results are 23,2 for 970 EP and 22,5 for 980 PRO so 3% difference. And drive endurance is the same because they both use 3-bit NAND.
@@mccringy7294 980 PRO is better in almost every way but not always by the big margin. If price is not a problem go for 980, if it is, 970 EVO Plus is not far behind. Performance difference of the 980 PRO is mostly in sequential speed in PCIe gen 4 mode and high continuous write speed (SLC cashing). So, if you don't need them 970 EP is a great PCIe gen 3.0 drive.
Hi, first, no worries. Not only it's possible but it will work without any problems. But to answer should you, it depends on what NVMe drive you are using now. If you have a slow and drive with a small capacity (more capacity gives more parallel channels controller can access) going with 980 PRO can bring felt performance. If you already have top gen 3.0 drive like 970 EP of the same capacity you'll only get around 10% increase in performance so it's up to you to decide if it's worth the price. P.s. most user workloads don't have a need or use at all high sequential speeds and great continuous write capability 980 PRO can offer.
Ok! I currently have an MSI gf65 10UE with a 512gb in a NVMe PCIe Gen3. The reason I would consider the 980 Pro is for the longer time it has before the Drop. The 970 evo plus' drop is seems pretty bad
@@TheRetroChallengerV That laptop has 2 x m.2 slots so it's easy to add another NVMe drive. If you need that kind of a write performance than 980 PRO is an obvious choice. Just keep in mind that you have to have enough free space on a drive to have dynamic SLC cashing do it's thing (prolong the drop).
@@TheRetroChallengerV It's hard to say. For a 2TB version cashe can be up to 216GB. Thats SLC sized so if it were MLC (2bit) it would use 432GB and as TLC (3bit), what is a real declared capacity of the 2TB drive 648 GB. So with half full drive (1000GB of data + 648GB as SLC cashing) I guess you can have full performance but over that cashe size should start to shrink. And for completely clearing cashe drive likes to have some idle time.
Hi Mahesh, I would say no. As XPS 15 7590 should have only PCIe Gen 3.0 M.2 slot, 980 PRO will work in Gen 3.0 mode. So, you can expect some 10% difference because of lower latency NAND on a 980 PRO. It can have an edge if you have a need for a continuous writes at full speed because it has larger dynamic SLC cashe (but you have to have enough free space on a drive to use that feature). My earlier test for a previous video editing question had this result: 'I tested both drives with opening saved project in DaVinci Resolve 16 (62 GB full HD video). Results are 23,2 s for 970 EP and 22,5 s for 980 PRO so 3% difference.' And this 3% difference was when 980 PRO worked in Gen 4.0 mode.
@@EnVildKat thank you very much for such fast reply. So I think since I don't have gen 4.0 slot it self so not a huge difference in buying costlier 980 pro.? Or shall consider buying 980 pro for my future use of upgrading upcoming systems? What suggestions would you like to give being empathetic?
@@mvbproductions_in If difference in price isn't that big of an issue and you plan to move that NVMe drive to a newer machine with Gen 4.0 than 980 PRO can be a better decision (although you probably won't feel any difference). It's a better drive, just more pricey than you'll get performance boost. And I have a feeling you already have an eye on a 980 PRO ;)
Probably the best Gen 3.0 drive. It has slightly better performance (a bit higher speeds, bigger SLC cashe and 2 GB of DRAM) than smaller size versions. New version might be based on a controller from a 980 PRO set in Gen 3.0 mode.
By 980 evo you probably mean dramless gen 3.0 'ssd 980'. I bought it just to test it how it goes against 970 EP and still haven't got time to do it. Maybe next week when mini Thompson is finished. Kingston a2000 should be slower than 970 EP.
@@A4icaMkd84 980 and 970EP will probably be very, very close in results with 980 maybe being a bit faster in some tests (faster NAND but still no RAM on drive).
I'm still working on a data and video but in most of the tests 970 EVO Plus beats SSD 980. Only where SSD 980 has an edge over 970 EP is in continuos writes on an empty drive. But on a half full drive it can have huge drops in write speed so even then 970 EP is better.
Difference between those two, tested in the few games, is almost non existent. But, 980 PRO is overall faster drive and it's performance might come in handy in some other applications. So, if price is not a problem and you have PCIe Gen 4.0 motherboard go for 980 PRO. If you want to save some money, there isn't much of a felt performance penalty with the 970 EP.
Basically should have been the 980 evo. Best price a little while back was a $115 sn750 1tb imo. $249 for the 2tb Samsung 970 evo plus is best if you want a bigger drive
You are right, it should've been called EVO by it's design. But as the only real difference between PRO and EVO (Plus) was type of NAND and Samsung, as the latest player in the field, stopped using 2-bit NAND this is the new performance drive. That brings even more PRO(fit) to Samsung. So now budged oriented drive series EVO will probably be combined with the same PCIe 4.0 controller and start to use QLC (or something like PLC in the future) backed with SLC to mask it. I haven't tried WD sn750 but if Samsung wasn't around, based on the all the reviews I read in the past, that would be my choice too.
It depends on how much you'll push it, how high is temp. inside a case and how good the airflow is to drop temp. spikes if thermal throttle is engaged. You can always put aftermarket heatsink on it to be on a safe side.
@@EnVildKat my case is old cooler master cmp 350 I wont put it under extreme loads but i want a more responsive machine and a bit more space for newer games I have m2 ssd alredy in slot 2 (bellow the gpu and it gets around 53 degrees celsus max .The other slot is above the graphic card and bellow cpu socket (in middle of the board . Motherboard model asus prime z390 m plus And im mostly gaming on this pc And heatsink wise i dont think i can buy separetlu heatsink (loccaly) . All i found was corsair mp600 ssd with built in heatsink .
@@energygameplay6513 Cooler master cmp 350 is somewhat restrictive (you do have intake fan as it seams as it's optional?). The big problem here is Asus Prime z390 m plus is only PCIe Gen 3.0 so you won't have much of a boost from a Gen 3.0 drive like 970 EP. Noting noticeable. So 970 EP would be a good option but still hot. I ordered mine heatsink directly from a manufacturer website (different country) and only after I had a drive some time.
@@EnVildKat i have front fan 120(deepcool rf 120 1200 or 1400rpm) mm and i im buying 980 pro because when i eventually upgrade platform (pcie4) i dont have to worry about ssd upgrades And case wise i know very good how restricted i am ...for example my gpu barely fits (gtx 1060 6gb msi gaming) cable managment non existent sata cables barely reach me hard drives ..it is what it is
@@energygameplay6513 You have a plan and that's what's important here. It will work and limited to Gen 3.0 it won't get hot as much. And you can always monitor it with a Samsung Magician sw to be sure what's going on.
which is more reliable and able to handle more read/write? the 970 or 980? Im not interested in the speed but rather reliability. Note: I will use this to save my video streaming from 20x IP Cameras (then it will transfer it to a bigger purple HDD at the end of every day). Using SSD greatly affects the performance during scrubbing footage in the timeline.
Hi Jonathan, both 970 EP and 980 PRO have the same TBW value (max total writes in TB under warranty) so there is not much difference between them in r/w reliability. For 1 TB drives that's 600TBW. But old 970 PRO has a more durable 2-bit NAND and that gives it 1200 TBW for the 1TB drive so it would be a better choice. I guess one IP stream to be around 15-45 MB per minute. One thing that can help the drives to reduce internal rewrites is to have enough free space at all times. The more free space you have the less internal data shuffle controller has to do (data are written in small pages but page can't be deleted alone, only the whole block with many pages). And to have good cooling if drive temperature is high.
Hi Alvi, 980 PRO would work but you probably wonder will it work in PCIe Gen 4.0 mode? Intel 11th gen CPUs should have support for it. If there are more than one m.2 sockets they don't have to have same specs so one might be Gen 4.0 and other Gen 3.0. But to be sure you'd have to know exact laptop model number and check on Acer website. That info sometimes isn't easy to find in specs so sending mail to their support might be the most sure way to get exact answer. Acer support: www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support
You're welcome :) Just watch out for the exact model (980 PRO) because there is newer and much slower 'SSD 980' that is Gen 3.0 drive and some shops around me had mislabel them as '980 EVO' & Gen 4.0.
Hi Vikash, can you please give me some more info, like (for start) what speeds are you getting and with what did you measure it with, what motherboard you have, did you install chipset drivers for the motherboard and how much free space you have on a P5 drive?
For games there is not any noticeable difference in whatever you get out of these two. For everything else mostly not but it depends on the type of workload.
P.s. I didn't ask if you have PCIe Gen 4.0 motherboard because without it there's no point at even looking at 980 PRO and alike drives (WD SN850, Kingston KC300...). But only place where they have a bigger impact is with video editing.
Hi Giuseppe, storage performance does increase overall system performance (or at least perceived performance) but for intensive CPU only tasks it won't give much to the equation. Performance increase with faster drives can only be seen in tasks that rely on storage access.
@@EnVildKat For this reason I think it is useful. During the rendering and texturing process the information is taken from the memory. Thanks for your fast answer :)
@@giusepper.390 It's useful, at least your software will load faster ;) But after it loads everything into RAM I'm not sure you'll get any benefit from faster storage drive. Having enough RAM at speeds which can benefit CPU performance might be more cost effective road. But having fast storage is a must for any system, just it's a question of if it's justified to replace maybe a bit slower drive with the fastest.
Without the price tag the 980 PRO is a winner :) Just pay attention for the 980 PRO version, not 'Samsung SSD 980' that's dram-less PCIe Gen 3.0 drive.
hello i have this motherboard asus tuf b450m-plus gaming it's support pcie 4.0? because i want install this ssd Samsung 980 pro ?! if not support what m.2 can i get i work on heavy project in aftereffects is 970 evo plus is good for me ?!
This mbo supports only PCIe Gen 4.0 (With x4 PCI Express 3.0 bandwidth, M.2 supports up to 32Gbps data-transfer speeds.). You can use both drives but 970 ep would be a more reasonable choice. Get more ram to compensate if you don't have enough.
I am buying i7 10700K, Zotac RTX3070 Twin Edge, and Gigabyte z490 Elite Ac Wifi motherboard,,, which will be a better choice for me with this config? 970 Evo plus or 970 pro?
It depends on how you intend to use it. They have the same controller with the different NAND setup. All round 970 EVO Plus is a balanced drive that gives slightly better performance with lower price and that makes it a great choice. 970 PRO has double the write endurance (with great sustained write speeds) so it's much better choice if you need that endurance for uses like video editing of very large files. But it's pricier for a reason. That endurance comes from more NAND cells for the same capacity (2-bits per cell vs 3-bits on a 970 EVO Plus, on a NAND less is better).
@@AcquireKnowledge Gigabyte Z490 Elite AC has 3 M2 slots but only two (lower, with the heatsinks) are useable and they are PCIe Gen 3.0. Samsung 980 PRO should work without problem in them but in Gen 3.0 mode so with limited top speed. This motherboard has one m2 slot that could give this motherboard future m2 PCIe 4.0 compatibility if you put in it some future Intel CPU with Gen. 4.0 support. But... as this is not exactly tested who knows will it work as it was intended and will it be without bugs.
Hi, AMD B550 chipset, by design, support one M.2 slot with x4 PCIe Gen 4.0 directly connected to Ryzen CPU. So yes, with Gigabyte B550 Aorus you can use Gen 4 NVMe storage at full speed. Some B550 motherboards use switching technology to add more M.2 slots with PCIe Gen 4.0 support but they share the bandwidth and that can slow down connected devices if more than one is used at the same time.
For those top speeds mbo needs to support PCIe 4.0. With PCIe 3.0 everything will work but you'll get top speeds that are in line with 3.0 standard (970 EP was built for that). Both drives are still fast in that mode (980 PRO wins again) and how they perform while in 3.0 is shown in the video. So, if you put it in older mbo you'll get more than ok speeds but just not the maximum the 980 PRO can deliver.
Hi, Samsung 980 PRO works with Asus B560 but supports PCIe gen 4.0 only if used with Intel 11-th gen. CPU. If used with an older 10-th gen. CPU than 980 PRO will work in PCIe Gen. 3.0 mode/speeds.
Hi, as I don't use PS5 I can’t give you the definite answer. It seems you could use it with the good NVMe to USB-C (not being 2.0 version) adapter but the speed will be almost the same as with a SSD and, more importantly, you won't be able to play PS5 games directly from the USB.
Still better than tape :) In those times ideas and author creativity kept players playing, now it's mostly graphics. I remember booting DOS from a floppy because PC didn't have a hdd. But everything was smaller, the whole Windows 3.1 came on 7 floopys and games were mostly on one. But later, Strike Commander, 42. On 41st was an error.
Well, you can mix it although there can always be issues. I presume you plan to mix two pairs. With mixing sticks first you need to make sure that they both work with a same voltage. Resulting speed and timings of the mixed sticks will be based on the specs of the slower one. So 3200 MHz CL18-21-21. After installing it run some memory tester (I do it over night) to make sure there are no errors.
@@EnVildKatfirst of all you are helpful thanks for all respond can i ask last question i wanna get new ram as i said up I'm in confusion between 2 ram corsair vengeance rgb pro 16gb 3200mhz and this ram Kingston HyperX FURY 16GB 3200Mhz can you tell me what i choose ?! is any difference between them ? i have this motherboard asus tuf b450m gaming plus and ryzen 5 2600
@@3iddesign120 You have to choose, it's your machine and money. There's always some difference but most will work fine if their specs are compatible beyond frequency (voltage and timings). When you go with different brands with a same specs (even the same brand and different model, even the same model but different size, even the same size but different die with a newer model...) you increase the chance of having a compatibility problems with more sticks. Especially with an older mbo and CPU.
@@3iddesign120 I don't know specs of every memory stick out there, buy what you like that's as close or better to the specs of the pair you already have.
For profit. Switch to TLC creates bigger capacity for the same number of flash NAND cells so a drive with the same capacity is cheaper to make. If it's the same price that difference is pure profit. Performance doesn't suffer much. Reading is fast, for writes there is big dynamic SLC cashe but endurance is half of the MLC. All other manufacturers have already made that switch so it was just a matter of time but price is higher than it should be.
Hi Arun, although 980 PRO is faster, I would say that it would be hard to distinguish any difference in blind test between 970 EP & 980 PRO of equal size in boot time. As seen in game loading tests video (and add to that test in DaVinci Resolve as someone in a comments asked) storage at these speeds are not that big of a bottleneck at the moment.
@@JAG_UAR Yes it is, but it depends on a price difference. I checked local prices now and 980 PRO is 30% more expensive for a 500 GB model. I would probably stretch for the 980 PRO but it usually only gives around 10% speed difference so it doesn't justify its premium price.
That stupid "we call our triple layer cells double layer cells"! 😡 I can understand why they did it. If nonstop writing isn't part of the profession you buy the pro for, SSDs just last so much longer than many people actually use them for, but the excuse "because M stands for multi and 3 is multi too!" is just scummy.
Simply put, If money isn't the problem buy 980 PRO if it is go for 970 EVO Plus, you mostly won't feel any difference. 980 PRO definitely wins if your activity includes heavy continuous writes on a drive. If you still think about what motherboard to buy 980 PRO needs PCIe Gen 4.0 to show full (speed) potential. So, at this moment, motherboards with AMD X570 or B550 chipset should be the way to go.
@@niceguy9790 Hi, to a more realistic prices? I would say not before they clear inventory of the equivalent Gen 3 devices. In the case of Samsung, everything added over 970 EVO Plus is a pure profit bonus with 980 PRO. So, they have the room for price cuts if they cut their profit but if they sell everything that they can produce there isn't any reason for that. But it may happen. Gen 4 prices can go down in devices that use or will use QLC (4 bits per cell) and future PLC (5 bits) because they will give bigger capacity with the exact same parts. Maybe some future '980 EVO' like product. But how much will it benefit from Gen 4 is to be seen. To a more reasonable prices? With every disturbance in production/supply comes shortages and price going up. With every RAM factory burnt down, RAM prices go up and stay up for years. Short electricity cut in FLASH factory that destroy whole production line, FLASH prices go up. Floods in Thailand and HDD prices go up and stay there for years. Cryptocurrency mining or Sberbank buys all the graphic cards they can find... With pandemic, disturbance is not centralised but it's in every possible part of the chain. Any supplier of the most basic parts can halt complete production of motherboards, graphic cards, PSUs etc. If we take into account possibility of the economic war between USA & China and China decides to cut supply of rare Earth elements (RRE) the whole electronic industry will suffer. That includes Taiwan, Japan and South Korea production lines. I won't even say what would happen with prices if things escalate over Taiwan. So, at the moment I don't expect prices to go down much. And they can even go up. To a more palatable prices? Usually I saw some annual price drops between April and July because of a lower demands for parts but there are now continuous shortages so it may not apply. And going for a great Gen 3 drive can still give almost all of the benefits of the fastest NVMe Gen 4 drives for the most of the user workloads.
@@EnVildKat Awesome reply. I guess no point in holding out as many unknowns factor in pricing. I'll stick with the best value gen 3 I can find and maybe gen 4 for a bit of future proofing.
@@niceguy9790 That's exactly what I did, bought 970 EVO Plus and X570 mbo for Gen 4 PCIe compatibility and in December 2020, when it was available, bought 980 PRO. Now they both work in a machine side by side.
Great! But I will stick to my 970 evo plus. I am always first on game servers. GTA V launches in less than minute. And performance for my needs still amaze me!
Hi Karol, 980 PRO is a faster (and in some areas much better) drive but at this moment, compared with the price you wrote, local price today in my location is more than 380USD/307EUR for a 1TB version and they are not even available anywhere in the country at the moment. And considering what time of the year it is it could stay that way for some time so check availability. EVO Plus is a good drive and I couldn't notice any big difference in use. But if you do lots of heavy writing activity there s a difference or you simply want the best/fastest parts (and you do have a PCIe Gen4 capable mbo of course) you might get what you need with the 980 PRO.
No mostly are gaming but now want try edit some 4K videos but for now I think I will stay with 970plus I want upgrade my cpu mobo in next 4 years so will be next gen like PC expires 5.0 = faster disks
In gaming, my guess is, you wouldn't notice big difference, maybe not even in benchmarks., while editing big files (4k video) you might. In time, there will always be faster parts. My reasoning it to buy new parts/computer when parts currently in use aren't capable of fulfilling your needs.
Oh, ads... yeah, they can say it's 2x the speed because in the ad they compared drives maximum sequential speed with different PCIe generations. It doesn't matter that means almost nothing for most of the usual workloads but it makes nice graphs. There are some benefits with 980 PRO other than write improvements. It has almost 60% better random 4k Q1T1 speed and 10 % lower latency. But even that in most cases might not be that noticeable in use. Currently, in a desktop segment, only on AMD. But Intel has Tiger Lake mobile CPUs that support PCIe 4.0. For desktop, Intel plans to add PCIe 4.0. in (late) Q1 2021 with Rocket Lake platform. But AMD still has a plan (it was planned for end of 2020) to make the last update to AM4 family with X670 chipset and add more PCIe 4.0 lanes, more USB 3.2 Gen2 ports and passive cooling. As future AM5 will use DDR5 and PCI-E 5.0 who knows when and how it will be out and how Intel will respond to that. Or, in a parallel universe, introduce it before AMD can do it with a better CPU.
@@alexanderunknown8605 You can check it on a Samsung website. TLC (3-bit), QLC (4-bit), PLC (5-bit)... they are all MLC (Multi level cells). Problem is that MLC name was used for a 2-bit NAND to differentiate it from SLC (single level cell). Samsung wants people to think that it uses better memory, like it was on a 970 PRO that had 2-bit NAND and double the endurance.
Yes, I agree, it does sound more professional when someone talks, but as I'm not a native English speaker I probable wouldn’t. Talking gives more opportunities for side info and with some emotion put into the topic the same message can have a deeper impact. I tried it but I wasn't satisfied with the final result so ditched it and just used data.
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Great vid mate the one I've been looking for
What i want - 980 pro. 500GB
What i have - 970 plus 500GB
What i need - 860 Evo 2TB
What i learnt is am addicted to speeds that i can't afford. I will stick to my 970 Evo plus till it dies.
And you exactly described how I think too. I have all three in this machine (but my 860 EVO is 500GB) and few HDDs for mass storage. My path is that when speed/capacity isn't adequate (and finances allow) I get better parts and keep using old ones for less demanding stuff. But, as there isn't that much difference IRL between 970EP and 980 PRO and they would probably be dead after the same workload put through them sticking with 970EP is a good idea.
Im glad you reply every question in here, my question is, can u suggest which one is better with ryzen 5600x+rtx 3060 ti and also which mobo are the best for 1tb ssd x2
Hi Aiman, it's your money so you have to decide if you want to invest in to the best (980 PRO) or something good (970 EP). Both drives are very capable so you wont feel much difference between them. But still, 980 PRO is a faster drive but still not that much faster as its price suggest. There is a new version (silent update) of a 970 EVO Plus, probably due to electronic component shortages. Now it uses 980 PRO controller set in gen 3.0 mode with a slower Flash writes. So, the difference is do you want almost the same drive in gen 3.0 or 4.0?
About the motherboard, if you want a full PCIe Gen. 4.0 speed on both M.2 sockets you have to go with a X570 chipset. Now there are X570s versions without a fan if you want the most silent options. If you go with B550 mbo, second socket works with Gen 3.0 speed. Some motherboards have more than two sockets but other sockets share bandwidth with the second socket.
For exact brand/model you should check some sites that are oriented toward mbo testing because there can be big differences in VRMs (power delivery) and cooling between almost the same models.
Please I want to replace my SSD from my Macbook Pro 2015 Retina, only 128gb. Whats the best SSD for video editing in Premiere Pro? I saw that have any adapter to run this, can u tell me what adapter can I use, and what Samsumg Ssd is better in my case ? Thanks a lot for the video, congrats Bro !!!
I'm not working with Macs but that should be a PCIe Gen 3.0 inside so 970 EP would be a good choice for performance.
@@EnVildKat tks nice work man
Very good comparison! I am thinking of switching to AMD to be able to add PCIE-4 and this bad boy. Currently I have Evo Plus and I use my workstation only for programming. Thanks man!
Hi Bogdan, EVO Plus is a fast drive but with a complete system upgrade you will probably see benefits in all areas. Sometimes, there are other factors that can come to mind for specific uses. My friend is a programmer too and works under Linux. He was using Intel platforms for years and although he wanted to switch to AMD was hesitant because of possible problems with driver support. But as he recently got his new high-end AMD business laptop and everything worked great (except RGB controls but that's not AMD's fault but lack of Linux support for that feature from laptop manufacturer) he has peace of mind to do it with his personal desktop.
Wtf? Intel has gen4 now and its cheaper than amd at the moment
@@dvr1337 With forced Intel CEO switch they have to make some aggressive moves to try to return lost market share. As AMD has trouble producing enough CPUs/GPUs their prices has gone up due to very high demand.
@@dvr1337 It's hard to get a workstation Intel motherboard right now that has a Gen 4 support.
Truth is, these drives live at the 4k mark when transferring data and as you can see the Pro is only slightly faster than the Plus. Not even noticeable. But the price is! Synthetic benchmarks don't REALLY give you the truth about overall performance...
Synthetics show what the drive hardware is capable of. Using that capability is another story. For transferring data there is difference between these two drives. Speed for start then SLC cashe size where 980 PRO shines and 970 EP losses pace. Most user workloads don’t create enough IOPS to utilize most of the benefits that came with fully mature PCIe Gen. 4.0 drive. In real life tests benefits came to mostly 10% lower latency that came with the new generation of NAND and controller. But 980 PRO is faster but just as a grow up 970 EP. If it didn’t lose 2-bit NAND it would be the best drive for professional use. But that’s the way FLASH story goes. Less NAND cells for a bit lower price.
Hi. Thank you very much for the video...
but I was wondering why the 980 Pro, which is a gen 4.0 device, was tested on a PCI 3.0 slot?
I presume the numbers wouldn't be accurate and that the 980 would be bottlenecked compared to if it was tested on a PCI 4.0 slot?
Hi Maky, 980 PRO was tested both on a PCIe 3.0 and 4.0. Except this one test all are done on a 4.0. Test was done on a 3.0 also for two reasons. First, many users still use only Gen 3.0 capable machines, especially on an Intel platform, but plan on buying new NVMe drive (and maybe later transfer it to the new machine). Second, it was a way to more directly compare performance difference of the new controller and NAND flash of the 980 PRO vs. 970 EP.
@@EnVildKat ah I missed that... thanks a lot for the test!
LOL, I recognize your name from a video I was just at looking at these! Yep, if ya got PCIE4 and want to do editing and such it's worth it. I'm scoring over 28,000 on CinebenchR23 and getting nearly 7,000 BPS with the 980Pro 2TB version. It's pricey, yes, but I'll have it for ten years or the rest of my life, whichever comes first! Spending a bit more in my retirement computing instead of playing Bingo sounds more fun.
Hi John, having a full control and building ones world (real and virtual) is certainly more fun than waiting for someone to draw some random numbers :) I hope that those drives pass the 10 year mark and you make a video of replacing them. Although there are now some marginally faster drives Samsung top drives are usually very well polished before they even hit the market so they are great companions in a long run.
hello bro, i want to ask, with around 15$ different between 970 ep and 980 pro, is it really worthy to go for 980 pro? i use it for programming purpose
Sorry for late reply, Yt. didn't showed me your comment until now. I would go with 980 PRO but that doesn't mean you have to do that. You'll hardly feel any kind of noticeable difference. 980 PRO just has bigger top speed potential if you later need it and slightly lower latencies. Simply Gen 4.0 evolution of the 970 EP.
Great review thank you!
Thank you Andy!
Hello. I’m wondering their difference in gaming loading time.
I am looking for a 970 EP or 980 PRO for my new PC (capable for PCI-E 4.0) . And what I most care about is loading time in games.
Nowadays most reviews shows us that how much MB/s does nothing for shortening the loading time. So simply upgrade to an PCI-E 4.0 is unlikely helps. But latency is a key, and we saw Samsung put a new controller for 980 pro. I wonder if the new controller shortens the latency and then loading times
Hi Tako, in a test latency is little over 10% better with 980 PRO (Elpis controller) than on 970 EP (Phoenix) but that is mostly due to newer version of V-NAND in a 980. There is not much info around about Elpis. Other than PCIe Gen 4.0 support it has 128 IO Queue vs 32 on Phoenix so it can much better handle simultaneous activity. That can be beneficial on high core count CPUs. Other than that it's built on 8nm process vs 14nm on older controller. That makes it more power efficient but as it has much bigger throughput it's power consumption is a bit higher than on older Phoenix.
Considering real world speed I would look for Random 4k Q1T1 speed results because everything else depends strongly on a activity you do. For example, if you do video editing sequential speed is very important too. But most manufacturers can push sequential speed but working with a small, random data is not an easy task.
About speed difference in a game loading times, I'm not sure if it would be noticeable. We are not talking about the hdd vs sdd. Or even ssd vs nvme. Both 970 EP and 980 PRO are great and fast drives and difference between them might not be that noticeable but maybe measurable. I could do some testing on a drives with a few older games I have (WoT, X-com, Fallout NV, Witcher III) and maybe add one or two more but it would take some time to do it.
@@EnVildKat Thanks for giving so many tips! Now I guess that 980 pro have more random write&read speed and slightly reduce the latency. But this may unnoticeable in daily loading time, compare with some high-end PCI 3.0 drives like 970 EP.
Now I am using a quad-core 4.0Ghz, DDR3 and SATA SSD computer. Not only games, when I load a profile in some software, “impulse” workload get in, my computer behave like a shocked grammy and freeze everything for about 10 secs. Hopefully new techs like Ryzen, DDR 4 and NVME will reduce that freeze.
@@dondonMMD You're welcome! I'm doing the game load time tests and results are almost the same between them. I'll finish the tests tomorrow and will publish the results next week.
Considering stalls, it can be many things. Let's assume CPU is not 100% occupied when that happens. You checked Resource monitor (CPU/Disk)? For example it might help to know what ssd do you have and how much free space you have on it? Do you have some software that can check it's health (like Magician for Samsung)? There might be ecc errors if flash is on the end of the lifetime so controller needs time to correct read data. If you don't have newest firmware, installing it sometimes fixes some issues. Do you have hard drive and do you store some programs you use on it? Are CPU temperatures o.k. under full load (thermal throttling)? Can it be some sw related problem like antivirus?
@@EnVildKat Thinks for the tests with patient!
Now I’m using an Intel 4790 without overclocking. Mostly I the “freezing” is due to CPU. I have noticed when a thread hits fully occupied. The entire system is slowed down or go lagging. Even this CPU have 4 cores and 8 threads. I guess the older Intel CPU can’t handle this “impulse” single thread workload.
On the other hand, loading is a teamwork. Whether CPU, RAM or drives gets a bottleneck, the entire system will slow down. So I am considering to build a new PC from scratch in these days.
@@dondonMMD If the whole machine was well rounded when it was built (so now no cheaply curable bottlenecks) and you feel now it doesn't satisfies your needs then your thinking about building a new one might be a good decision.
So basically it makes no sense to use the Pro unless you're handling professional workloads which would deplete cache. Standard consumers simply won't do this ever, or at most rarely
Even with professional workloads you would put on 980 PRO you don't have what you had with the older 970 PRO, endurance of the 2-bit (MLC) NAND. So now, when comparing 970 EVO Plus and and 980 PRO only real benefit you have is speed and dynamic cashe. If you are on a Gen 3.0 controller difference is even lower. If you fill 980 PRO with data (and you certainly will) dynamic cashe size will be lower so cashe will deplete faster. As I see it, if someone has EVO Plus in a system and goes for the same capacity (500GB vs 500GB or 1TB vs. 1TB) there is no point in upgrading, even with the Gen 4.0 board, if there is not specific need that 980 PRO might help to fulfil. But if you're buying new drive and the price is close enough, even on Gen 3.0, 980 PRO is a better choice. You have the capability to unlock speed if you upgrade your motherboard in the future.
Awesome comparison.
I am currently rocking a 1TB 980 PRO as my boot drive and I am planning to buy a 2TB 970 EVO as a backup drive only.
This route is the ideal way to get the best storage price/performance.
That was a really great video bro. I've been searching something like this to help me determine if I should buy an 970 Evo Plus or the newest 980 Pro.
Thank you Axel. When I bought X570 chipset paired with 970 EVO Plus I bought it with the plan to later install some future Samsung Gen 4.0 drive. Gen 4 hyped speeds sounded great but graphs and number don't always relate to realistic performance increase. This video answered almost all questions I personally had about their difference. Only thing i wish I tested too was performance when drives are more then half full but that would probably only made a difference in continues writes and possible negate big dynamic cashe benefit that 980 PRO has.
@@EnVildKat Hello, can I put these two ssd laptops? but the laptop document states that the laptop has ssd 512 nvme m 2 2280 PCi @ Gen 3, one of these ssd is 980 pro PCi @ Gen 4, the question is, will my laptop work with these two ssd? . Bye
@@reshad711 Hi, if you have M.2 slot that works in PCIe Gen 3.0 mode you can switch your current NVMe drive with any of these two drives. If you put 980 PRO (PCIe Gen 4.0 drive) it will work in Gen 3.0 mode with speeds measured in Gen 3.0 part of the video.
I am also thinking which one to buy as I will buy build a new PC soon. I think I would go with 980 PRO, 500 GB for OS and programs as I think you don't need more than that (it takes about 130 GB on my current PC), and 1 TB for everything else (video, photo editing and games). Or I could get additional 500 GB just for games. What do you think about the choice?
That's mostly how I always do it. In the moment I use 500 GB 980 PRO for OS (50% used), another 500 GB NVMe for other stuff like video editing and 500 GB SSD for games. Mass data storage is on the HDDs, internal and external. I have faster drives that I can use (KC3000 is on the shelf) but in reality there's not much of a difference in a everyday work between good and best drives. I doubt you would get any performance benefits if you go the 3rd drive route because (you might lose it depending on a mbo etc.). I do it because drive for editing takes lots of writes beating and game drive is mostly only reads. Heavy write activity in a drive means lot of internal data reshuffling even when idle (garbage collection, SLC cashe recovering etc.) so it can take a toll depending on a drive. But two good drives: OS and the rest is a good choice. Just keep in mind to have enough free space.
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Sorry for replying late. Thank you very much for your reply. I really appreciate it. I will probably go with 500 GB for OS and 1 TB for everything else, but if I choose the grt the third one only for games, I think I will go with Samsung 970 Evo Plus. Thank you very much once again for the reply!
Great review ❤️ love your content❤️
Going with 980pro is more future proof, I think due to it's PCIe 4.0 !! Right or not??
980pro❤️
Right, if you now have gen 3.0 mbo you can have nice boost of speed when you move the drive to the Gen. 4.0 capable mbo/CPU. But even in gen 3.0 mode it works great because it's built for overall speed, not just sequential r/w.
@@EnVildKat thanking you for your valuable time ❤️
I'm really appreciate that!!!❤️
Thank you :)
would a 980 pro work on a asus rog z490 motherboard with a 10th gen intel cpu, or should I go with the 970 pro?
Hi, on a Z490 motherboard Samsung 980 PRO would work in PCIe Gen. 3.0 mode as would a 970 PRO. You can find Gen 3.0 speeds in this video. 970 PRO has a big benefit of having twice the endurance (TBW) of a 980 PRO (3-bit TLC on a 980 PRO vs 2-bit on a 970 PRO). So. if you don't soon plan to switch to a newer platform with Gen 4.0 and you do lots of heavy writing tasks on a drive, 970 PRO is a good choice.
the music choice killed this vid
Yup, moment of silence. Turns up the volume and presses play.
@@EnVildKat wrong, should turn off the volume and playback in silence.
@@nelc2399 I appreciate the input and time to comment. If you want silence there's a mute button. Until RUclips changes its copyright policies making a deal with the music industry I'll put what can be in the video not rock/metal staff I listen. As people have different tastes I see no reason to even try to please anyone. If you don't like something point taken and life still goes on.
Great video buuuut you just cost me $229 .Thanks!
It's hard to resist when you want the best! :)
@@EnVildKat Greatness comes with secrifice
will these 2 drives work along side each other in same PC?
Yes, you can use all M.2 sockets you have at the same time. Just take into the account that all sockets don't necessarily have the same connection speed (PCIe gen 3 vs. gen 4 for example) to the CPU as that depends on a hardware used (CPU/mbo).
So I’m building a gaming pc right now, and I have the 2tb 970. Should I go with the 980? Right now for a 2tb 980, it’ll be 150 more. But I can get a 1tb 980 for around 50 cheaper than what I paid for on my 2tb 970. So if the 980 is the better choice should I get it?
Hi Alex, first thing to be sure about is that by 980 you mean PRO version not 'SSD 980'? Pro is a better drive, gen 4.0 so it's a better choice if you are building machine of the long run. But if you already have 970 EP than you won't feel much difference because it's a great gen. 3.0 drive. SSD 980 is a DRAMless so I wouldn't advise to get it for a performance oriented PC.
Second thing, or maybe even first is how much space do you really need? Going for a too small drive that will have most of its capacity filled will impact its performance and shorten its life.
You might go for a new 1TB 980 PRO for a O.S. and use 970 EP (or EVO) that you already have for games as there is almost no difference in game loading times between the two. But if you're thinking of buying a new drive just for a better performance than it might not be a priority upgrade at this time. Maybe soon there will be a new set of drive editions from different manufacturers (Kingston KC3000 might be a new speed king). But with unstable world economy, production problems on every level, inflation and Taiwan war threats any future upgrade plans might get into the GPU Twilight zone.
Get two Tb Evo plus
1000GB WD Black SN750 / SN 850 ... or ... 1000GB Samsung SSD 980 / 980 Pro?
WD Black SN850 is slightly faster than Samsung 980 PRO but any difference in this category is hard to notice. WD SN750 has DRAM vs. SSD 980 being DRAM-less so SN750 is on a bit higher level as a drive. If you're asking what drive to choose from all these four then there is too much difference between these categories, both performance and in price and you are the one who will pay the price. If you need performance choose which one you like more (SN850/980PRO) and if you want to save some money than SN750 or something like a Samsung 970 EVO Plus is a good choice.
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Thank you very much! I find it difficult to make a choice but now I tend more to the Samsung 980 Pro :D
@@MichaelMolli It's a great drive and Samsung has a good reliability record and no matter SN850 or 980 PRO you'll have a top Gen. 4.0 drive in your system :)
Thanks for the compare of the 2 drive disk. Can you tell me the name of the song from 4.40? Have a great new year
Thank you, same to you. Name of the song is 'It's her' by Harris Heller. It's royalty free so you can use it for your projects.
Hey sorry im about to get into photography and video editing as a hobby i was wondering as someone thats new is it fine if I cheap out and go for the 970 evo?
Hi David, don't be sorry :) 970 EVO will still be faster than any hard drive so go for what's comfortable to get. You can always replace it with a faster drive in a future if you have PCIe Gen 4.0 capable CPU and motherboard.
Would 970 EVO plus as a boot drive and 980 pro as a work (render, Editing ) drive be ideal or will there be any noticeable differences. Should I go with both gen 4 drives?
Hi Syd, I doubt you would fell any noticeable difference in any combination. I didn't. 980 PRO and 970 EP have both the same endurance. Replacing 970 EP with 980 PRO and loading some 60 GB of video files into DaVinci Resolve timeline made maybe 1 or 2s difference. At this moment I use 980 PRO for O.s., 970 EP for some programs and for video editing and 860 Evo ssd for games (and hdds for storage). I have a spare Kingston KC3000 outside of the PC and I don't see any big reason to replace the 970 EP with it although it's a much faster drive.
P.s. If you get one bigger drive instead of two smaller you'll get faster write speeds and still have at least one spare M.2 socket for future upgrades.
@@EnVildKat Thanks for the apt response, I did get a 2TB 980 pro for work and 970 Evo plus 1 TB for OS and a 860 for scratch drive. Your video really helped with this decision. I was planing Dual SN850s but found out about the bandwidth issue with Sns going through X570 chipset, research led me here.
@@syduploads1990 I hope you'll enjoy your storage setup and I'm glad I could help. You made a good decision not to get SN850s for video editing work. It's a very fast O.S. & gaming drive but when under continuous write load it was freezing constantly (writes dropped to ~11 MB/s ).
thanks bro❤💕
Thanks for this video, I need help, is 980 pro compatible with Gigabyte z490 ud an i7 10700 (for this speeds)
I think maybe with above motherboard and cpu can't reach very different speed with 970 plus.
Please answer it is right or not.
Hi Shayan, Gigabyte Z490 UD and i7 10700 combined can only provide PCIe Gen 3.0 speeds with the 980 PRO instaled. So, as you guessed, it will be close to the speeds of the 970 EVO Plus.
@@EnVildKat Thank you very much
Why is that my Q32T16 for the 970 EVO Plus is reading so low? Read (MB/s) 675.96 and Write (MB/s) 288.53
Was this speed from the start or suddenly started to happen? Maybe the drive is overheating so a thermal throttling occurs. What about other test results (SEQ1M Q8T1 and RND4K Q1T1), are they very low too? What CPU/MBO do you have and are all the right drivers for your motherboard chipset installed? How does Samsung Magician report health of the drive (maybe it's failing or on the end of its cell life cycles if you played with Chia for example) and how much data is written to the drive (TBW)? Do you have the latest firmware for 970 EP? Lots of questions but we have to try to pinpoint the problem.
This is a great nvme both.. anyway can my system work at gen 4 pcie if i buy 980 pro 500gb? (ryzen 5600x feat asus x570 F gaming). Thank you
Hi Resha, yes they are both great drives. It seams that Samsung is now using the same controller (silent change) on a 970 EP as on a 980 PRO but limited on a Gen 3.0 mode. With 980 PRO you will have full PCIe Gen. 4.0 speed on your system.
which would u recommend for the ps5?the 970 2tb is on sale for 229. 980 pro 1tb is on sale for 169.not much a price difference
How much space do you need? If you watch my game loading time test video then you can see that there isn't any significant loading speed increase with a gen 4.0 drive although a drive is faster.
Adding some passive cooler on an NVMe drive might prolong it's life in a hot environment.
@@EnVildKat yeah,the 970 doesnt meet specs for the ps5 its speed isnt fast enough,says hasto be 5500 or higher so i went with 980 pro 2 tb
@@gamervet7793 Well, although considering hardware compatibility probably any gen 3.0 drive could work, Sony wouldn't want that someone put a very low spec NVMe drive in the PS5 and then blame them for a low performance and stuttering. 980 Pro works well in all scenarios, so it's a good choice.
@@EnVildKat thanx for info, i actually went with pny's 2 tb pcie 4 3140, 7500 read 6500 write, even tho ps5 specs will not read n write that fast.
@@gamervet7793 This escalated quickly :) No matter the top sequential speed, having a fast drive (RND4k speed) will help with every data access.
So which one should I go for?
I have no problem with the price, I just wanna know if its really worth go for the 980 instead of 970
Hi Bryan, 980 PRO is the evolution of 970 EVO Plus and if price isn't important you'll get the better drive if you go with 980 PRO. You will get 10% better memory latency with faster and more capable controller, much higher sequential transfer rate when paired with motherboard with PCIe Gen 4.0 and you'll get much better SLC cashing profile for continuous writing (if you don't fill it with too much data). But, in most normal uses there isn't much, if any, noticeable difference and their write endurance is the same (NAND flash has finite life). So, everything comes back to the price and how much are you wiling to pay for that difference.
@@EnVildKat hi what if u have only got a pcie 3.0 would the 980 still out perform the 970?
@@craigfoy6604 Hi Craig, yes it would. By how much you can find in this video, there's a test of both of them while in a PCIe Gen 3.0 mode.
will the Samsung 980 PRO work on a ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming (WiFi 6) AMD AM4 Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 & 3rd Gen Ryzen and with a AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-core Processor? and is the 980 pro worth it then the 970 plus?
Yes, it will work in PCIe Gen 4.0 mode.
rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-model/
Is it worth it? Watch my videos where their performance is compared and decide for yourself is it worth it for you.
For editing videos, is there a big difference between 970 and 980
980 PRO excels at continues writing. In normal activities it mostly comes down to performance benefits of lower latency (around 10% compared to 970 EVO). I tested both drives with opening saved project in Davinci Resolve 16 (62 GB full hd video). Results are 23,2 for 970 EP and 22,5 for 980 PRO so 3% difference. And drive endurance is the same because they both use 3-bit NAND.
@@EnVildKat so a 970 is probably a better option u think
@@mccringy7294 980 PRO is better in almost every way but not always by the big margin. If price is not a problem go for 980, if it is, 970 EVO Plus is not far behind. Performance difference of the 980 PRO is mostly in sequential speed in PCIe gen 4 mode and high continuous write speed (SLC cashing). So, if you don't need them 970 EP is a great PCIe gen 3.0 drive.
@@EnVildKat ok thanks
And one last question can any pc build fully utilize the speed of the 980 pro
I'm wondering... if my laptop only supposrts gen 3. Should I still buy the 980 pro (which is gen 4) and have it on mode Gen.3? Possible?
Hi, first, no worries. Not only it's possible but it will work without any problems. But to answer should you, it depends on what NVMe drive you are using now. If you have a slow and drive with a small capacity (more capacity gives more parallel channels controller can access) going with 980 PRO can bring felt performance. If you already have top gen 3.0 drive like 970 EP of the same capacity you'll only get around 10% increase in performance so it's up to you to decide if it's worth the price.
P.s. most user workloads don't have a need or use at all high sequential speeds and great continuous write capability 980 PRO can offer.
Ok!
I currently have an MSI gf65 10UE with a 512gb in a NVMe PCIe Gen3.
The reason I would consider the 980 Pro is for the longer time it has before the Drop. The 970 evo plus' drop is seems pretty bad
@@TheRetroChallengerV That laptop has 2 x m.2 slots so it's easy to add another NVMe drive. If you need that kind of a write performance than 980 PRO is an obvious choice. Just keep in mind that you have to have enough free space on a drive to have dynamic SLC cashing do it's thing (prolong the drop).
Usually how much on a 2T drive?
@@TheRetroChallengerV It's hard to say. For a 2TB version cashe can be up to 216GB. Thats SLC sized so if it were MLC (2bit) it would use 432GB and as TLC (3bit), what is a real declared capacity of the 2TB drive 648 GB.
So with half full drive (1000GB of data + 648GB as SLC cashing) I guess you can have full performance but over that cashe size should start to shrink. And for completely clearing cashe drive likes to have some idle time.
Need Help. I do heavy Video editing on XPS 15 7590. Confused on 970 plus or 980 pro? Will it give significant performance on my laptop?
Hi Mahesh, I would say no. As XPS 15 7590 should have only PCIe Gen 3.0 M.2 slot, 980 PRO will work in Gen 3.0 mode. So, you can expect some 10% difference because of lower latency NAND on a 980 PRO. It can have an edge if you have a need for a continuous writes at full speed because it has larger dynamic SLC cashe (but you have to have enough free space on a drive to use that feature).
My earlier test for a previous video editing question had this result: 'I tested both drives with opening saved project in DaVinci Resolve 16 (62 GB full HD video). Results are 23,2 s for 970 EP and 22,5 s for 980 PRO so 3% difference.'
And this 3% difference was when 980 PRO worked in Gen 4.0 mode.
@@EnVildKat thank you very much for such fast reply. So I think since I don't have gen 4.0 slot it self so not a huge difference in buying costlier 980 pro.?
Or shall consider buying 980 pro for my future use of upgrading upcoming systems?
What suggestions would you like to give being empathetic?
@@mvbproductions_in If difference in price isn't that big of an issue and you plan to move that NVMe drive to a newer machine with Gen 4.0 than 980 PRO can be a better decision (although you probably won't feel any difference). It's a better drive, just more pricey than you'll get performance boost. And I have a feeling you already have an eye on a 980 PRO ;)
Is a 2TB Evo plus good?
Probably the best Gen 3.0 drive. It has slightly better performance (a bit higher speeds, bigger SLC cashe and 2 GB of DRAM) than smaller size versions. New version might be based on a controller from a 980 PRO set in Gen 3.0 mode.
@@EnVildKat Thank you for the information!
You're welcome :)
@@EnVildKat Before I go, is there any difference between EVO plus and PRO?
@@GoneFishingAway One is a PCIe Gen 3.0 drive, other is Gen 4.0. Inside, with a silent update, they might be almost the same.
I want to upgrade nvme ssd evo 980 evo 970 plus or kingston a2000? what you think man?
By 980 evo you probably mean dramless gen 3.0 'ssd 980'. I bought it just to test it how it goes against 970 EP and still haven't got time to do it. Maybe next week when mini Thompson is finished. Kingston a2000 should be slower than 970 EP.
@@EnVildKat what should get? evo 980? wqit for reviews tnx man i will bulis ryzen pc i need good nvme ssd ryzen 2600 pc
@@A4icaMkd84 980 and 970EP will probably be very, very close in results with 980 maybe being a bit faster in some tests (faster NAND but still no RAM on drive).
@@EnVildKat im confused what to getwww.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-980-m2-nvme-ssd-review
I'm still working on a data and video but in most of the tests 970 EVO Plus beats SSD 980. Only where SSD 980 has an edge over 970 EP is in continuos writes on an empty drive. But on a half full drive it can have huge drops in write speed so even then 970 EP is better.
I didn’t really understand it all, if I had to choose between the 2. Which is better for gaming
Difference between those two, tested in the few games, is almost non existent. But, 980 PRO is overall faster drive and it's performance might come in handy in some other applications. So, if price is not a problem and you have PCIe Gen 4.0 motherboard go for 980 PRO.
If you want to save some money, there isn't much of a felt performance penalty with the 970 EP.
Basically should have been the 980 evo. Best price a little while back was a $115 sn750 1tb imo. $249 for the 2tb Samsung 970 evo plus is best if you want a bigger drive
You are right, it should've been called EVO by it's design. But as the only real difference between PRO and EVO (Plus) was type of NAND and Samsung, as the latest player in the field, stopped using 2-bit NAND this is the new performance drive. That brings even more PRO(fit) to Samsung. So now budged oriented drive series EVO will probably be combined with the same PCIe 4.0 controller and start to use QLC (or something like PLC in the future) backed with SLC to mask it.
I haven't tried WD sn750 but if Samsung wasn't around, based on the all the reviews I read in the past, that would be my choice too.
im planning to buy 980 pro 500gb but i wonder how temperatures would be since my motherboard doesent come with heatsink
It depends on how much you'll push it, how high is temp. inside a case and how good the airflow is to drop temp. spikes if thermal throttle is engaged. You can always put aftermarket heatsink on it to be on a safe side.
@@EnVildKat my case is old cooler master cmp 350
I wont put it under extreme loads but i want a more responsive machine and a bit more space for newer games
I have m2 ssd alredy in slot 2 (bellow the gpu and it gets around 53 degrees celsus max .The other slot is above the graphic card and bellow cpu socket (in middle of the board . Motherboard model asus prime z390 m plus
And im mostly gaming on this pc
And heatsink wise i dont think i can buy separetlu heatsink (loccaly) . All i found was corsair mp600 ssd with built in heatsink .
@@energygameplay6513 Cooler master cmp 350 is somewhat restrictive (you do have intake fan as it seams as it's optional?). The big problem here is Asus Prime z390 m plus is only PCIe Gen 3.0 so you won't have much of a boost from a Gen 3.0 drive like 970 EP. Noting noticeable. So 970 EP would be a good option but still hot.
I ordered mine heatsink directly from a manufacturer website (different country) and only after I had a drive some time.
@@EnVildKat i have front fan 120(deepcool rf 120 1200 or 1400rpm) mm and i im buying 980 pro because when i eventually upgrade platform (pcie4) i dont have to worry about ssd upgrades
And case wise i know very good how restricted i am ...for example my gpu barely fits (gtx 1060 6gb msi gaming) cable managment non existent sata cables barely reach me hard drives ..it is what it is
@@energygameplay6513 You have a plan and that's what's important here. It will work and limited to Gen 3.0 it won't get hot as much. And you can always monitor it with a Samsung Magician sw to be sure what's going on.
which is more reliable and able to handle more read/write? the 970 or 980? Im not interested in the speed but rather reliability. Note: I will use this to save my video streaming from 20x IP Cameras (then it will transfer it to a bigger purple HDD at the end of every day). Using SSD greatly affects the performance during scrubbing footage in the timeline.
Hi Jonathan, both 970 EP and 980 PRO have the same TBW value (max total writes in TB under warranty) so there is not much difference between them in r/w reliability. For 1 TB drives that's 600TBW. But old 970 PRO has a more durable 2-bit NAND and that gives it 1200 TBW for the 1TB drive so it would be a better choice.
I guess one IP stream to be around 15-45 MB per minute.
One thing that can help the drives to reduce internal rewrites is to have enough free space at all times. The more free space you have the less internal data shuffle controller has to do (data are written in small pages but page can't be deleted alone, only the whole block with many pages). And to have good cooling if drive temperature is high.
Would 980 pro work on acer nitro 5 11 th gen intel rtx 3050 sir?
Hi Alvi, 980 PRO would work but you probably wonder will it work in PCIe Gen 4.0 mode? Intel 11th gen CPUs should have support for it. If there are more than one m.2 sockets they don't have to have same specs so one might be Gen 4.0 and other Gen 3.0. But to be sure you'd have to know exact laptop model number and check on Acer website. That info sometimes isn't easy to find in specs so sending mail to their support might be the most sure way to get exact answer.
Acer support:
www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support
Thanks for helping me to buy Evo980 pro 🥰
You're welcome :) Just watch out for the exact model (980 PRO) because there is newer and much slower 'SSD 980' that is Gen 3.0 drive and some shops around me had mislabel them as '980 EVO' & Gen 4.0.
Why i am getting half of speed in crucial p5 500gb? Please give me suggestion
Hi Vikash, can you please give me some more info, like (for start) what speeds are you getting and with what did you measure it with, what motherboard you have, did you install chipset drivers for the motherboard and how much free space you have on a P5 drive?
if i have a 970 plus and 980 pro in my system, will it use the faster one?
Not necessarily. Can you please provide some more info of the scenario you're looking for when using these two drives?
hello, which ssd should I take for the system and for games and programs, 970 evo plus 1tb or 980 pro 1tb?
Hi еNжL, you did check two videos where I compared these two drives directly and in games?
@@EnVildKat no, sorry, I didn’t understand, I’m from Russia and I didn’t understand the video, please answer the question if it’s not difficult
For games there is not any noticeable difference in whatever you get out of these two. For everything else mostly not but it depends on the type of workload.
@@EnVildKat thank you
P.s. I didn't ask if you have PCIe Gen 4.0 motherboard because without it there's no point at even looking at 980 PRO and alike drives (WD SN850, Kingston KC300...). But only place where they have a bigger impact is with video editing.
This is very important for cpu rendering. it's correct?
Hi Giuseppe, storage performance does increase overall system performance (or at least perceived performance) but for intensive CPU only tasks it won't give much to the equation. Performance increase with faster drives can only be seen in tasks that rely on storage access.
@@EnVildKat For this reason I think it is useful. During the rendering and texturing process the information is taken from the memory.
Thanks for your fast answer :)
@@giusepper.390 It's useful, at least your software will load faster ;) But after it loads everything into RAM I'm not sure you'll get any benefit from faster storage drive. Having enough RAM at speeds which can benefit CPU performance might be more cost effective road. But having fast storage is a must for any system, just it's a question of if it's justified to replace maybe a bit slower drive with the fastest.
Is a new 980 pro 1tb good for 150$ cause I have a friend who offered it to me
Hi Skyzert, my local prices start from 265$ so I would buy it but your local prices might be different.
Should I get 970 or 980 if price wasn’t an issue?
Without the price tag the 980 PRO is a winner :) Just pay attention for the 980 PRO version, not 'Samsung SSD 980' that's dram-less PCIe Gen 3.0 drive.
@@EnVildKat I went ahead and got the crucial p5 1tb as it’s £40 less is that a good buy?
@@EnVildKat I didn’t really think there would be much a difference for £40
@@xPinnicle It's a good gen. 3.0 drive, slightly slower than 970 EP but with much better price, so it's a good buy.
@@xPinnicle In everyday use there can barely be any noticeable difference between fastest and fast drive.
hello
i have this motherboard asus tuf b450m-plus gaming it's support pcie 4.0?
because i want install this ssd Samsung 980 pro ?!
if not support what m.2 can i get i work on heavy project in aftereffects
is 970 evo plus is good for me ?!
This mbo supports only PCIe Gen 4.0 (With x4 PCI Express 3.0 bandwidth, M.2 supports up to 32Gbps data-transfer speeds.). You can use both drives but 970 ep would be a more reasonable choice. Get more ram to compensate if you don't have enough.
@@EnVildKat thanks 😊
can I ask you what's best ram for this board I wanna buy Kingston hyperx fury 16 gb 3200 cl 16 is it good ?!
For work .. thanks for replay
@@3iddesign120 What RAM do you have now installed?
@@EnVildKat 8 3200mhz
I am buying i7 10700K, Zotac RTX3070 Twin Edge, and Gigabyte z490 Elite Ac Wifi motherboard,,, which will be a better choice for me with this config? 970 Evo plus or 970 pro?
It depends on how you intend to use it. They have the same controller with the different NAND setup. All round 970 EVO Plus is a balanced drive that gives slightly better performance with lower price and that makes it a great choice. 970 PRO has double the write endurance (with great sustained write speeds) so it's much better choice if you need that endurance for uses like video editing of very large files. But it's pricier for a reason. That endurance comes from more NAND cells for the same capacity (2-bits per cell vs 3-bits on a 970 EVO Plus, on a NAND less is better).
Thank you so much!
@@EnVildKat I have one more question. Is Samsung 980 pro suitable with a Gigabyte Z490 Elite AC motherboard?
@@AcquireKnowledge Gigabyte Z490 Elite AC has 3 M2 slots but only two (lower, with the heatsinks) are useable and they are PCIe Gen 3.0. Samsung 980 PRO should work without problem in them but in Gen 3.0 mode so with limited top speed. This motherboard has one m2 slot that could give this motherboard future m2 PCIe 4.0 compatibility if you put in it some future Intel CPU with Gen. 4.0 support. But... as this is not exactly tested who knows will it work as it was intended and will it be without bugs.
@@EnVildKat Is it same scenario for Samsung 970 pro?
Is there a big difference. Day to day use
In my case almost none.
Can I use gen 4 ssd on gen 3 port?
Yes you can, it will work in PCIe Gen 3.0 mode with top speeds limited to it.
Hey, does the Aorus B550 pro motherboard support gen 4.0 m.2 ?? Thanks for helping!
Hi, AMD B550 chipset, by design, support one M.2 slot with x4 PCIe Gen 4.0 directly connected to Ryzen CPU. So yes, with Gigabyte B550 Aorus you can use Gen 4 NVMe storage at full speed. Some B550 motherboards use switching technology to add more M.2 slots with PCIe Gen 4.0 support but they share the bandwidth and that can slow down connected devices if more than one is used at the same time.
@@EnVildKat Thanks a lot for the fast response! Awesome! Have a nice day sir 😊
@@notorioezz Thank you, you too :)
does the mb need to have necessarily pcie 4.0 for those speeds to work ? Or on 3.0 it will run just ok?
For those top speeds mbo needs to support PCIe 4.0. With PCIe 3.0 everything will work but you'll get top speeds that are in line with 3.0 standard (970 EP was built for that). Both drives are still fast in that mode (980 PRO wins again) and how they perform while in 3.0 is shown in the video.
So, if you put it in older mbo you'll get more than ok speeds but just not the maximum the 980 PRO can deliver.
Can I go with 980pro along with Asus B560 plus WiFi ?
Hi, Samsung 980 PRO works with Asus B560 but supports PCIe gen 4.0 only if used with Intel 11-th gen. CPU. If used with an older 10-th gen. CPU than 980 PRO will work in PCIe Gen. 3.0 mode/speeds.
Grazie mille. Con un adattatore usb c, si possono mettere su ps5?
Hi, as I don't use PS5 I can’t give you the definite answer. It seems you could use it with the good NVMe to USB-C (not being 2.0 version) adapter but the speed will be almost the same as with a SSD and, more importantly, you won't be able to play PS5 games directly from the USB.
@@EnVildKat thanks!
Hi guys, what sound in this video?
Hi, it's 'Better - Anno Domini', 'Forget me not - Patrick Patrikios' and 'It's her - Harris Heller'
I remember playing sim city on a 20 gb hard drive
Still better than tape :) In those times ideas and author creativity kept players playing, now it's mostly graphics. I remember booting DOS from a floppy because PC didn't have a hdd. But everything was smaller, the whole Windows 3.1 came on 7 floopys and games were mostly on one. But later, Strike Commander, 42. On 41st was an error.
Epic brother ....... Epic
Thank you Abdulelah
please can i mix
Kingston HyperX FURY 16GB 3200Mhz CL16-18-18
with
Kingston HyperX FURY 8GB 3200Mhz CL18-21-21
Well, you can mix it although there can always be issues. I presume you plan to mix two pairs. With mixing sticks first you need to make sure that they both work with a same voltage. Resulting speed and timings of the mixed sticks will be based on the specs of the slower one. So 3200 MHz CL18-21-21.
After installing it run some memory tester (I do it over night) to make sure there are no errors.
@@EnVildKatfirst of all you are helpful thanks for all respond
can i ask last question i wanna get new ram as i said up I'm in confusion between 2 ram
corsair vengeance rgb pro 16gb 3200mhz
and
this ram Kingston HyperX FURY 16GB 3200Mhz
can you tell me what i choose ?! is any difference between them ?
i have this motherboard asus tuf b450m gaming plus and ryzen 5 2600
@@3iddesign120 You have to choose, it's your machine and money. There's always some difference but most will work fine if their specs are compatible beyond frequency (voltage and timings). When you go with different brands with a same specs (even the same brand and different model, even the same model but different size, even the same size but different die with a newer model...) you increase the chance of having a compatibility problems with more sticks. Especially with an older mbo and CPU.
I'm not get two of them😊
I will choose one
I asked which one I get?
Is there any difference between them?
@@3iddesign120 I don't know specs of every memory stick out there, buy what you like that's as close or better to the specs of the pair you already have.
great post, SAMSUNG is worth every penny
Samsung is a leader in NAND technology but it knows how to cash it too :) P.s. Happy New Year!
@@EnVildKat samsung 💪
Why is the pro version using tlc?
For profit. Switch to TLC creates bigger capacity for the same number of flash NAND cells so a drive with the same capacity is cheaper to make. If it's the same price that difference is pure profit. Performance doesn't suffer much. Reading is fast, for writes there is big dynamic SLC cashe but endurance is half of the MLC. All other manufacturers have already made that switch so it was just a matter of time but price is higher than it should be.
Bro what about booting speed? to windows 10
Hi Arun, although 980 PRO is faster, I would say that it would be hard to distinguish any difference in blind test between 970 EP & 980 PRO of equal size in boot time. As seen in game loading tests video (and add to that test in DaVinci Resolve as someone in a comments asked) storage at these speeds are not that big of a bottleneck at the moment.
@@EnVildKat my usage is for a normal task like watching 4k videos browsing etc... So 970 evo plus is better for money isn't it? 500gb
@@JAG_UAR Yes it is, but it depends on a price difference. I checked local prices now and 980 PRO is 30% more expensive for a 500 GB model. I would probably stretch for the 980 PRO but it usually only gives around 10% speed difference so it doesn't justify its premium price.
That stupid "we call our triple layer cells double layer cells"! 😡
I can understand why they did it. If nonstop writing isn't part of the profession you buy the pro for, SSDs just last so much longer than many people actually use them for, but the excuse "because M stands for multi and 3 is multi too!" is just scummy.
Just marketing and profit margins. The same with branding new Gen 3.0 drive with a 980 name after Gen 4.0 980 PRO and being slower than older 970 EP.
still dont know what these numbers mean. Can anyone put this in layman's terms? I just started PC Building and dont wanna regret the parts i buy
Simply put, If money isn't the problem buy 980 PRO if it is go for 970 EVO Plus, you mostly won't feel any difference. 980 PRO definitely wins if your activity includes heavy continuous writes on a drive. If you still think about what motherboard to buy 980 PRO needs PCIe Gen 4.0 to show full (speed) potential. So, at this moment, motherboards with AMD X570 or B550 chipset should be the way to go.
@@EnVildKat when do you think pcie 4.0 prices would be more palatable.
@@niceguy9790 Hi, to a more realistic prices? I would say not before they clear inventory of the equivalent Gen 3 devices. In the case of Samsung, everything added over 970 EVO Plus is a pure profit bonus with 980 PRO. So, they have the room for price cuts if they cut their profit but if they sell everything that they can produce there isn't any reason for that. But it may happen. Gen 4 prices can go down in devices that use or will use QLC (4 bits per cell) and future PLC (5 bits) because they will give bigger capacity with the exact same parts. Maybe some future '980 EVO' like product. But how much will it benefit from Gen 4 is to be seen.
To a more reasonable prices? With every disturbance in production/supply comes shortages and price going up. With every RAM factory burnt down, RAM prices go up and stay up for years. Short electricity cut in FLASH factory that destroy whole production line, FLASH prices go up. Floods in Thailand and HDD prices go up and stay there for years. Cryptocurrency mining or Sberbank buys all the graphic cards they can find... With pandemic, disturbance is not centralised but it's in every possible part of the chain. Any supplier of the most basic parts can halt complete production of motherboards, graphic cards, PSUs etc. If we take into account possibility of the economic war between USA & China and China decides to cut supply of rare Earth elements (RRE) the whole electronic industry will suffer. That includes Taiwan, Japan and South Korea production lines. I won't even say what would happen with prices if things escalate over Taiwan. So, at the moment I don't expect prices to go down much. And they can even go up.
To a more palatable prices?
Usually I saw some annual price drops between April and July because of a lower demands for parts but there are now continuous shortages so it may not apply. And going for a great Gen 3 drive can still give almost all of the benefits of the fastest NVMe Gen 4 drives for the most of the user workloads.
@@EnVildKat Awesome reply. I guess no point in holding out as many unknowns factor in pricing. I'll stick with the best value gen 3 I can find and maybe gen 4 for a bit of future proofing.
@@niceguy9790 That's exactly what I did, bought 970 EVO Plus and X570 mbo for Gen 4 PCIe compatibility and in December 2020, when it was available, bought 980 PRO. Now they both work in a machine side by side.
Great! But I will stick to my 970 evo plus.
I am always first on game servers. GTA V launches in less than minute. And performance for my needs still amaze me!
It's a great drive!
i just bought 970 plus 1tb for 150 consider to return it and get 980 ?
Hi Karol, 980 PRO is a faster (and in some areas much better) drive but at this moment, compared with the price you wrote, local price today in my location is more than 380USD/307EUR for a 1TB version and they are not even available anywhere in the country at the moment. And considering what time of the year it is it could stay that way for some time so check availability.
EVO Plus is a good drive and I couldn't notice any big difference in use. But if you do lots of heavy writing activity there s a difference or you simply want the best/fastest parts (and you do have a PCIe Gen4 capable mbo of course) you might get what you need with the 980 PRO.
No mostly are gaming but now want try edit some 4K videos but for now I think I will stay with 970plus I want upgrade my cpu mobo in next 4 years so will be next gen like PC expires 5.0 = faster disks
In gaming, my guess is, you wouldn't notice big difference, maybe not even in benchmarks., while editing big files (4k video) you might.
In time, there will always be faster parts. My reasoning it to buy new parts/computer when parts currently in use aren't capable of fulfilling your needs.
If you really want to get the best out of it. You need more ram.
Hi TG, what do you mean by 'You need more ram'?
just so everbody know, the 980pro did not come with a sticker or badge.
shame shame shame
Older drives had stickers, shame, shame, shame
Samsung 970 evo plus uses a controller Phoenix!
Yes, you are right! I haven't noticed I misplaced cells, thank you!
Good
Samsung best quality premium hardware 💪still rocking evo 750💪
Samsung has great SSD reliability. Oldest I still have around is 840 PRO, almost 9 years now :)
twice is a very harsh word
Hi Pal, what do you mean?
@@EnVildKat the ad says 2x the speed so basically its like 20-30% and only on amd
Oh, ads... yeah, they can say it's 2x the speed because in the ad they compared drives maximum sequential speed with different PCIe generations. It doesn't matter that means almost nothing for most of the usual workloads but it makes nice graphs. There are some benefits with 980 PRO other than write improvements. It has almost 60% better random 4k Q1T1 speed and 10 % lower latency. But even that in most cases might not be that noticeable in use.
Currently, in a desktop segment, only on AMD. But Intel has Tiger Lake mobile CPUs that support PCIe 4.0. For desktop, Intel plans to add PCIe 4.0. in (late) Q1 2021 with Rocket Lake platform. But AMD still has a plan (it was planned for end of 2020) to make the last update to AM4 family with X670 chipset and add more PCIe 4.0 lanes, more USB 3.2 Gen2 ports and passive cooling. As future AM5 will use DDR5 and PCI-E 5.0 who knows when and how it will be out and how Intel will respond to that. Or, in a parallel universe, introduce it before AMD can do it with a better CPU.
Should of tested 1tb
Send me one and I will
@@EnVildKat good point lol
Jag tror det stavas katt
Hi Felp, I might be wrong but isn't it katt in Swedish and kat in Danish?
lmfao, pro only for durability, the speed difference is neglible.
Not even that Alexander. 980 PRO uses TLC like the EVO Plus and it has the same TBW warranty limit. That's for these 500 GB models 300 TB.
@@EnVildKat omg... thank you, if it's true. :)
@@alexanderunknown8605 You can check it on a Samsung website. TLC (3-bit), QLC (4-bit), PLC (5-bit)... they are all MLC (Multi level cells). Problem is that MLC name was used for a 2-bit NAND to differentiate it from SLC (single level cell). Samsung wants people to think that it uses better memory, like it was on a 970 PRO that had 2-bit NAND and double the endurance.
Sorry, I like when somebody talks. It sounds more professional.
Yes, I agree, it does sound more professional when someone talks, but as I'm not a native English speaker I probable wouldn’t. Talking gives more opportunities for side info and with some emotion put into the topic the same message can have a deeper impact. I tried it but I wasn't satisfied with the final result so ditched it and just used data.