BlackLies_HD yes but tfa played it safe and copied anh while tros was og without being bad like the last Jedi imo it was the only sequel that I really liked
It would have been so great to see that part of the story. To see how the Jedi were arrogant and started to believe they were the best, which would lead them to their own destruction. it should have started with a civil war on Naboo in the TPM , where the Jedi failed to act in time to prevent the war. Then with Anakins training, where he saw the Jedi's dogma stiff and unyielding, contradiction teachings and where he has to conceal the relationship with Padme. And then in ROS we see a desolated Anakin fighting an endless war which has effected the galaxy, his mothers death and the temptation of the dark side.
Bellcross The entire prequel trilogy is about arrogant Jedi. Mace Windu for one along with the Jedi Council not believing the Siths return or trying O seize power at the end.
I think Jeremy is biased like a lot of reviewers of his generation (like RLM/Plinkett) because they idealize the originals and bash the prequels without even making the effort of paying a minimum of attention to it. I can paint any movie as something that 'sucks' if I put my mind to the task.
The fact that Obi wan loved anakin was kind of the point. Obi wan wasn't the master Anakin needed, Qui gon was. That's why the duel of the fates was the duel of the fates. It ultimately put anakin down the wrong path. Qui gon would have been the stoic, objective guiding father figure required to teach anakin to control his darker impulses. Obi wan wasn't that. He got attached to anakin and treated him more like a brother because he simply wasn't ready to assume the position of master that Maul (and, by extension sidious) put him in.
As much as I like the Clone Wars animated series, and I agree that in the series you can see Anakin slowly turn to the dark side (sometimes, other times it got weird), I will also say that in my opinion at least the Clone Wars only ever works for me when I consider it as being detached from the dumb prequels. And yeah 100% you should have been able to see his turn coming in the films ALONE, no add-ons required.
***** I for one actually like the Clone Wars series, with certain episodes as an exception. But especially the focus on the clone troopers was very interesting to me.
futurewriter87 For me personally, there wasn't enough of a focus on the clones. (That's why I love I.M.P.S. - a documentary about the stormtroopers, all fan made) So many interesting stories that are untold about the clones. Sadly, since I watched Clone Wars I can't re-watch any of the Star Wars movies and not feel bad for the clones and stormtroopers.
when u say animated do u mean awful 3d series or actual original animated one was so AMAZING it was more believable, great writing, and it ends just as third movie should of started off.
***** What was all that shit with Gandalf and the Outsider from Dishonored? When they get stuck on that planet and then Anakin sees the Vader mask, it's kind of weird :/
futurewriter87 Don't kid yourself. Lucas sold his soul long before Disney was in the picture. The prequels were more about cashing in on nostalgia and toy sales rather than focusing on a good story. While Disney does love their toy sale money as well, at least they know how to make a good movie. Disney acquired Marvel and they are doing alright.
@John Wack true considering he was the grand master and one of the most legendary jedi...he should have lowkey mopped the floor with sidious just using force power. Sidious should only be able to keep up with lightsabers
@@joker18524 or people pl let just have differing opinions. I swear if theres one thing the sequel trilogy did that was worse was give people this false sense in thinking the prequels are hidden gems or masterpieces when in fact, they're not. They're still as bad as s they were back when they released.
Antoine Bandele and that was all we got to see of the attack on the Jedi temple, a tiny and brief piece of security footage of him fighting two jedi (did we even see him kill him, I only remember a couple of brief sabre clashes). Just one of many disappointments with ROTS was we didn't even get to see the Jedi fighting clones in the temple. When Anakin and the Clones march to the temple I thought we were about to see some epic battle in the temple, but nope cuts to a different scene and we get to none of what could have been an epic battle
If u rewatch revenge of the sith it’s honestly way to long lol I’m not a prequel hater I love them a lot and respect the movies but the fight is way to over dramatic I’m fine with them fighting long but when they were swinging on lava platforms like monkeys it was a little bit to much looking back at it
I think the fact that the Jedi were hypocritical and made mistakes in the prequels was intentional. The prophecy talks about bringing balance to the force, but during the prequels there are thousands of Jedi and only two Sith. The Jedi have become complacent and somewhat corrupt, and Anakin/Vader leading the purge was just part of him fulfilling the prophecy (though unintentionally).
+Unicron Definitely not. The name of Order 66 has nothing to do with the number of Jedi, lol. I guess I could understand the confusion, but the Jedi were quite a large organization throughout the days of the Old Republic (excluding the First Jedi Purge). Many also died in the Clone Wars before Order 66, but there were still a large number of Jedi active, many of whom stayed at the Temple.
Like Jeremy said, Episode 1 should've started with Anakin in his late teens. In there, we see him already in his descent to the Dark Side. In Episode 2, we see his fall to the Dark Side and his taking the mantle of Darth Vader (basically, a two-part story chronicling his seduction and fall). Because, in Episode 3, we should've seen what Obi-Wan told Luke: Vader hunting down and destroying the Jedi. No Galen Marek, no Grievous and his trophies, and no Inquisitor. Just Vader doing what we were told he had done. And through Episodes 2 and 3, we could've watched him accumulate injuries and damage, and assimilating robotic parts a little bit at a time. We watch his appearance alter without actually seeing him in the full, finished armor we know and love, because it shouldn't be until Episode 4 we see the full monstrosity he's become.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so. There was the initial dichotomy of the "good friend" Anakin and his murderer, Vader. When Vader confronts Obi-Wan, we get dialogue mentioning the relationship of "learner" and "master". If 5 or 6 even hint at the cause of his injuries, it's more implicit in just seeing his scars and us being aware of that past relationship. I don't remember their cataclysmic duel ever being explicitly mentioned anywhere other than EU material, much less that it took place near lava.
deathsdoor07 Yeah, memory isn't always the best for this type of discussion. What's readily apparent to me is the fact Lucas overlooked several details from the OT.
Palpatine named him Vader because he's aware of Padme's pregnancy and vader means ,,father'' in dutch. What's amazing is that when the originals came out and we first learned about the characters, Luke's missing father and then heard about Vader, Netherlands knew the biggest spoiler in cinematic history.
+Evelina999 Really> I mean, I'm Dutch and I haven't heard anything about that. Obi-Wan clearly says that Darth Vader killed Luke's father, so I'm not sure people would connect the dots even knowing what the name means.
Tom Wijenbergh Wouldn't it be something like ,,Your father killed your father''? People would put this stuff together. Unless they changed his name in the translation.
Well it's just subtitles, right? So it's still "Darth Vader killed your father". I bet people were just like "Ha what a funny coincidence" instead of "Oh wow that means this Darth guy is his father". Because even though the name 'Vader' means 'father', there could be a million different reasons for it other than him being Luke's dad. So I don't think people caught on to it... especially since the notion that some villain Luke has never even met in his life and commands armies is his father is so far out there. Sure, in retrospect it might seem a bit obvious, but that can be said of a lot of plot twists in cinematic history.
Evelina999 Possibly, but I haven't heard anything about it myself, and I doubt it was like a widespread thing here. The theory of Vader being Luke's father, that is.
The thing about a Jedi not knowing love is bullshit. A Jedi can know love, but only platonic love. For example, love for their family/friends/species and a general love of life as a whole is not only allowed, but encouraged. It's passion they can't have. The Jedi Code goes: There is no passion, there is serenity. A romance without passion is not a romance at all. So Obi-Wan saying he loved Anakin like a brother is within the acceptable parameters set forth by the Jedi, but a passionate romance between a man and woman such as Anakin was having is taboo.
I've been saying for years that George intentionally made the Jedi very flawed because their ignorance was the reason as to why the Order collapsed in the first place, yet critics on RUclips always stated those flaws as a mistake which is fucking stupid, because the critics are too busy comparing the Jedi in the prequels to Obi Wan and Yoda in the OT. Yoda and Obi Wan are so different in the prequels, less enlightened so to speak, because they followed the same flawed laws of the Jedi Order until they survived the downfall, and been given the chance to reflect. George did it perfectly, but fans saw it as poor writing. Yes the prequels suffer from it, but the Jedi being the cause of their own downfall was the fucking point and OT fanboys missed that point entirely. So yeah, about the Love thing you are correct but it is one of the many hypocrisies that the Jedi had which Luke himself points out in Last Jedi (though he just called them hypocrites, which is nice because it was a reference to the Prequels).
First off the love story is too in your face in that movie second there was way too much cgi to the point it was laughable thirdly anakin was a little punk in that movie I could go on and on
I haven't heard it mentioned at all. In Return of the Jedi Luke is talking to Leia and asked what her mother was like. Leia said she didn't get to know her for too long, but that she remembered her always looking sad. Which would mean Padme should not of died giving birth in Revenge of the Sith. Please correct if I'm wrong.
Daniel Wood My assumption was that Leia wasn't talking about Padme at all in Episode VI, but rather Breha Organa. At the time, I don't think Leia would have known she was adopted considering that she didn't know her heritage. Which would have made sense, since the last thing Bail would have wanted was to give Leia dangerous information while Darth Vader was hunting down the last of the Jedi.
I think the movie poster is referring to romantic love. Obi-Wan feels brotherly love for Anakin, these are two different things. Then again, that shows attachment and Jedi aren't supposed to have attachments. But young Obi-Wan is proven to be pretty flawed. He killed Darth Maul (or injured him if you go with the EU) partially out of anger and he was clearly attached to Qui Gon Jinn.
***** Thats what I enjoy about star wars though. The jedi of the old republic are hypocrites. They are an order that has become arrogant with time. That's why you can KINDA justify the whole universe turning against them with the empire. THis is also why in the old EU, Luke Skywalker was a great leader when he established a much more compassionate jedi order.
MaMastoast Agreed. In the Old Republic novels post KOTOR Revan and bastilla wanted to introduce the idea of having Jedi being married and have kids but the Order was pretty hardcore bout the celibacy thing and both were kicked out as a result. I never understood why the Jedi were so adamant about that. I mean for the Night's Watch I can kinda understand sicne their job is pretty important but the people there made that choice. Jedi are pretty much kidnapped and brainwashed to join this order where sex isnt allowed and if you do want to have a family you get kicked out. Like you said, Luke did the awesome thing of having a more tolerant Jedi order....and he wanted to bang Mara Jade. I mean, you would!
Georg Veramme They just fail to understand that by banning such a natural desire. They are causing a lot more conflicts than otherwise would've been there. Jedi are just as human/alien as ayone else, even if they have a stronger willpower. Banning things like relationships and sex simply creates places for doubt and frustration to build.
MaMastoast Exactly. But the old jedi order kept their old rules and ideals very close.This mostly comes from arrogance and that they have established a certain "superiority" in the galaxy, as the only force users. You have to look at it like the church. They also have kept their mindset very ignorant of what is going on around them and that they need to evolve to stay alive. When Luke revived the Jedi Order, he included his own ideals that he grew up with and which made him the jedi he was. Overall you can argue that the Jedi had it coming and were closer to their sith adversaries than they knew.
if you watch cinemaWins he has a very good discussion about this movie, and talked about Anakin's supposed 'quick' turn to the dark side, and how everything up to that point was leading right to it. I used to be one of the people who thought the turn was too fast, but have really re-thought how I look at it. he also discusses the supreme failing of the Jedi council, why they are also responsible for everything that happened. qui-gon was one of the only one not complacent and arrogant and he was punished for basically not confirming.
But is the movie really successful if it feels sudden when you just watch it? I think the best movies can have analysis applied to them that reveals layers that matches and deepens the superficial and "first view" plot, rather than ones that need a lot of explanation to defend something that feels weird and out of place in the "first view" or whatnot.
9:18 I don't quite agree with what you are saying about Obi Wan going to kill him being against the original trilogy. In the OT, yes Luke thought there was still good in his father and that he could be redeemed, but Obi Wan, yes, Obi Wan, said that it wasn't true and Vader was pure evil. In my opinion this is more about Luke in particular being the one with the insight that the other 2 remaining jedi didn't grasp, and it lends importance to Luke as a character in the OT and what he specifically did. It's not just "oh the Jedi are all forgiving, so PT Obi Wan should be too". I think you are simplifying this a little bit in order to criticize the PT, which indicates a slight bias against it.
Andrew Ricklefs you would be right if Obi Wan had more reason to kill Anakin, or even tried at all to help him, he literally saw a recording of him killing younglings and was like “Ohhh I better go kill him” I always thought that Obi Wan saw him as pure evil after there fight, I believe that would make more sense.
SlapStick Productions He saw the recordings and it was hard for him to deal with. Also you say slaughtering young kings like it’s no big deal, Anakin was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Jedi. Obi-Wan asked Padme to help, when it was clear he couldn’t be convinced he stepped out there himself. He talked for a little, as Anakin CHOKED the loved of his life. I think at that point Obi-Wan realized Anakin was completely insane and needed to be stopped. Also I don’t even think he wanted to kill Anakin. Obi-Wan spends the whole fight running away, then at the end he says “don’t try it” to Anakin because he didn’t want to kill him. Obi-Wan was ready to just walk away with Padme and hide but Anakin wouldn’t allow it. So he cut his limbs, it’s funny cause he couldn’t even bring himself round to delivering the final blow.
Ojogbane Amedu he went there with the intent to kill Anakin, or at least that’s what I got from it, but it’s still Obi Wan’s fault that Anakin turned to the dark side, that is a master’s responsibility when raising and training his/her padawan, you can see just before their fight when they’re arguing, Obi Wan pulls out his saber and says “I will do what I must” before Anakin even draws his saber. But it really comes down to how you see the characters and reason to fight in general, I personally don’t think Obi Wan had enough motivation to kill Anakin but to each his own.
SlapStick Productions I see, so then you think the murdering of children and hundreds of innocent people is worth nothing? Objectively speaking Obi-Wan had every right to go there and kill him. Now yes it is Obi-Wans fault partially, he was a good trainer but a poor mentor. Yes Obi-Wan draws his saber first but I think at that point he did want to kill him. Somewhere along the fight it becomes clear he can’t beat Anakin and so he decides to run away. But yes if you are ok with mass murderers who kill children, then blame Obi-Wan all you want for wanting to kill Anakin. I think he couldn’t be more justified after Order 66, I was surprised he even had any love left in him to muster a tear.
Actually obiwan always thought Vader needed to die in the OT. Thats why he lied to luke, he wanted luke to kill Vader and he felt like luke wouldnt do what he needed to do if he knew Vader was his father.
+Comical Genius I interpreted it in the way that Obi-Wan was too attached to Anakin and because of that he couldn't bring himself to actually kill him ("you were my brother, Anakin, I loved you") and that is the reason why he lied to Luke, to make him avoid that attachment.
I actually love the prequels because of what they've done to the Star Wars fan base. Like it or hate it, we all talk about it and are willing to passionately defend the trilogy. That, AND without the prequels, we wouldn't have gotten all of the really cool cities, worlds, and mythology. The OT were better films, but there wasn't as much world building at the prequels had. This world building basically opened up the gates for a whole slew of mythos. Case and point, without the prequels, the Old Republic series wouldn't have existed. Thoughts?
+Matthew Bergman I liked Sith but didn't like the other two all that much..I've kinda recently returned to fandom and have been checking out Expanded Universe, realizing that just as much as Walking Dead "remixes" the original comic with the series, Force Awakens "borrows" and "remixes" EU elements! I still enjoyed the film though, but think someone might have a case...I think what you said kind of ties into what Lucas had to say (before backtracking) about Force Awakens. He had kind of given carte blanche to others going with his vision and adding to it for the expanded universe, as long as he had the control over the prequels (even if they actually included some EU stuff)..with Force Awakens they threw all that away, and in a way in retrospect the fact he allowed all the freedom with the EU, despite his flaws doing the prequels, make me have a newfound respect for him
I love all Star Wars movies. The new ones Episode 7 and 8 were okay. I was definitely into them new movies for a scene or two but they felt too Disney. I don't mean "magical/girly" Disney, I mean the Disney that made Marvel movies full of non intense scenes that have too much going on. The old Star Wars movies from the 70's to 00's had the enjoyable action and a story you can reflect on.
@@chatochafa130 7 and 8 barely add anything to the universe. I've no idea what unique and interesting stories they can add with the path they created. They will probably have to backpeddle. The world building is inconsistent and boring often, probably the only decently realized character is kylo ren. The did Poe and Fin poorly since fin is basically a comic relief when he shouldn't be and Poe has barely anything remarkable about him, he is as deep as anyone from rogue one but he has 2 movies under his belt. I just wish those movies were better.
Not gonna lie... Episode 3 is my favorite Star Wars to watch. Sure, there's a lot of terrible dialogue and cheesy moments, but it's such a fun ride from the opening space battle to the climactic finale between Obi-Wan and Anakin. Be gentle, please.
People can die from broken hearts. That's how Carrie Fisher's mom died. Also, I felt the movie made it clear that Obi-Wan was willing to break the rules for Anakin because he believed in the prophecy and put that above all else for his Master. He not only loved Anakin, he was willing to keep his secret when he found out Padme was pregnant. While Anakin was going to Palpatine for personal stuff, he should have put more trust in Obi-Wan and had the confidence to tell him things because Obi-Wan would have never betrayed Anakin. I always felt that was the true tragedy of their relationship.
It's also sad that Anakin was so corrupted by hate that he was needlessly paranoid that Obi-wan wanted Padmé for himself. Obi-wan was the one person who loved Anakin and would never do that to a man he saw as a brother.
+SiLvr_BuLLeTz I just assumed they were implying he went to the temple to kill everyone, not just kids. I just assumed they showed the kids in order to say how fucked up he became. I assumed this, because not everything has to be shown. Again, I just assumed it was implied.
+SiLvr_BuLLeTz Did you even watch the fucking movie? Anakin went in with the entire 501st Clone Legion to slaughter the Jedi Temple, there were plenty of Jedi to be killed there. EDIT: Dismiss this comment. Bad interpretation is bad interpretation.
+1966Zodiac he killed children. The prequels trilogy isnt the tragic fall of a hero and great jedi, its the story of how a stupid whiney brat becomes a child murdering physcopath! Thats it!
+1966Zodiac Yes, but not every Jedi knight is a Jedi master. All masters were away on missions and the rest went to arrest Palpetine, who killed them. Anakin never killed anyone high up on the ladder, who could have been considered his equal in terms of use of the force or lightsaber.
+ASobsessive ...if you have to put it so tactlessly. It's more nuanced than that. Anakin turns because he loves Padme, and believes 100% in his visions, and he fears them, especially because those of his mom became true, so he's willing to doubt his own judgement of Palpatine as the sith lord and undergo his training to save Padme, not realizing he's being corrupted every step of the way. You can even ask yourself, since Palpatine had his eyes on Anakin since early on, if it could've been one of his tricks to give Anakin visions of losing Padme. When Anakin kills the younglings, he's become clouded in his vision because of how far he's gone and because Palpatine probably has some kind of dark-side prescence that makes it worse for Anakin.
Nishant Thapa it was touched on. When anakin kills count dooku (which is another example of him falling towards the darkside) you can hear the raiders scream. Its subtle but there
9:04 "He's more machine now than man, twisted and evil." "When [Vader turned], the good man who was your father was destroyed." They think he's beyond saving in the OT. They think Luke needs to kill him. Remember that the Sith are the same guys who killed a lot of people and plunged the galaxy into civil war just to get at the Jedi. For Anakin to willingly side with the people who cut off is limb means he knows all this, and he made the conscious choice to follow them anyway. When he did that, he stopped being Anakin and instead became "the enemy". And Obi-Wan still sees Anakin at the time of their battle. That's why he walks away instead of just sticking his lightsaber into Anakin's eye. Also remember, Luke was the only guy making a case on Vader's behalf. Why does Luke try to save him where Obi-Wan does not? Because Luke isn't a Jedi like Obi-Wan and Yoda are Jedi. He's the first of the new Jedi, having grown to manhood without being taught ethics and philosophy by cold, emotionless beings. He doesn't have the same prejudices as they do. They see a monster who blows up planets and needs to die, Luke sees a human being who's been manipulated into doing all these things. Stop comparing the prequels to the OT like they're sequels. Roughly half of the complaints I've seen about the prequels start with "In the original trilogy". That's not fair to the prequels. Addendum: For those who ask why Obi-Wan didn't try to save him in RotS, remember that Obi-Wan tried to talk Anakin out of the fight no less than _three_ times, one of which was just after he watched Anakin strangle his own wife. I think that speaks volumes of how much Obi-Wan doesn't want to kill him, coupled with the fact that he was constantly giving ground throughout the fight and passed up numerous opportunities for an easy kill.
Ikrani I agree. I feel like everyone keeps looking at the Star Wars movies in order of release date instead of the order of the episode numbers. I mean, Lucas planned for this trilogy all the way back when he was writing Empire Strikes Back. Maybe there isn't any meaning behind the name "Vader". In the novelization, they say it just means "him"... Which is what a name does, isn't it? I don't know. "Darth Vader" sounds cool and that's probably why Lucas initially decided to go with it back when he still made movies that he wanted to make instead of movies he thinks we want to see (Strange Magic, anyone?)
Jethro Smith Common misconception that Lucas had all this dreamed up during the OT. He made that shit up as he went along. He even has a quote somewhere along lines of "Make them think you have it all planned" or something. The only thing he planned ahead for in the prequels was that Vader gets messed up in lava. That's it. The Trade Federation didn't exist, the clones were the enemies of the Clone War (at least, in the notes he gave to Timothy Zahn) and Yoda taught Obi-Wan.
Killmachine91 Where's your source? I wanna read this for myself. As I hear it, he didn't flesh out the story of the prequel trilogy itself, but he definitely wanted to explore Vader's past. After all, why would he hint at it so heavily in Empire if he wasn't going to do anything with it?
Damn. Looking back at Jeremy’s enthusiasm after watching his Rise of Skywalker review is sad. Sure he’s critical, but something about him seems waaay less jaded in this review. I hope Star Wars can return to it’s pedestal of awe for Jeremy and many other fans someday.
colebowlin68 All those Jedi he killed when raiding the Jedi temple. He didn't just kill younglings. He killed Masters, Knights, and Padawans. The youngling scene was just there to show how far gone he truly was.
colebowlin68 He went into the Jedi temple to kill Jedi. There is no reason to believe he only killed younglings while leaving the Jedi masters to the clones.
Used to love the Prequels as a kid, disliked them in my teens and now I've watched them again I actually quite like them again as a whole. The first sucks but has good characters and a cool last 20 minutes, the second is good but has a terrible love aspect and rots is just awesome with a few bad aspects here and there
Jimmy Rose- I went through a kind of edgy stage with the prequels where I jumped on the hate bandwagon for them even though I hadn't watched them in ages and only saw footage from vids that called them terrible. I gave them another shot before TFA and realised I still loved them despite their flaws lol
Andrew Abdel I have no problem with the idea of the romance and, unlike for some, I still find it watchable but its a little too cheesy and wooden in how its presented that I didn't really feel that they fell in love except for the film saying thats what I should be witnessing. So nice idea, iffy execution is my opinion on it. Nothing wrong with liking it though
Yeah i used to like ep 1 but as i watched it again its really boring. Its kinda like rogue one where its mostly character driven but still boring, and the third act is super exciting and really makes up the movie.
My favorite is still Empire Strikes Back. It's the best in original trilogy and is the best Star Wars movie in the series. It's also one the greatest movies of all time
Kunisake I guess, but then we needed ROTJ which 2 me was pretty awful. It was ok but to me if should have been better than Empire, how did they drop that ball?
@@mikesolemene5750 It's only half a movie. Jabbas Palace is an original scene. The Death Star run is just a repeat of Episode IV...unless u love Ewoks n the Moon of Endor...
Luke: "Well, did'ja try? Did'ja try to bring him back to the good side?" Obi-Wan: "Well... no. W- shut up. You're not a Jedi yet, okay, you can't lecture me." Loved that bit xD .
Jeremy, you are absolutely spot on about the part with obi wan going to kill Anakin and how Lucas missed the point of what it is to be a Jedi knight. I don't think even redlettermedia ever brought this point up.
+elcap22 I love Jeremy's reviews, but I think you're both missing the point. The Jedi during the time of the Republic were pompous, self-righteous hypocrites. That's the whole point of why they fell and the dark side won! Every time Jeremy said "fail", I said "yes! Exactly! That's the point!" Yoda failed, Obi-Wan failed, they all failed and the Jedi became no more--nearly. Yoda himself even says this and exiles himself as a result to, I guess, "re-learn" the force on Dagoba, which is why he's even wiser and more bad-ass in the original trilogy. Obi-Wan as well.
neozen01 If thats the case then shouldn't Obi Wan and Yoda have been hypocritical and immoral jedis in the original movies? No, they weren't, they were as wise and peaceful as a jedi should be so they would've been in the prequels. I think that's just your interpretation of the premise established in A New Hope. Obi Wan told luke "for over a thousand generations the jedi knights were the guardians of peace and justice of the old republic... before the dark times, before the empire." Obi Wan meant that when the dark times happened, hence the clone wars, the jedi knights were forced to use their powers to fight in a war, rather than preserve the peace, in other words desperate times calls for desperate measures. But history shown that even peaceful religious folk like Buddhists have become samurai warriors and killed people in self defence, its the same thing with the jedi knights. Also when obi wan mentioned the empire he meant the jedi were considered enemies and hunted down by the empire, kinda like how the Nazis hunted down Jews during the second world war. In return of the jedi vader told luke "Obi Wan once thought as you do," and it is assumed in episode 3, Obi wan believed that Anakin was still good and could be saved and most likely went off to find Anakin the way luke went to confront Vader in hopes of getting him back to the good side. We didn't see that in episode 3, as Jeremy explained.
+elcap22 First, I already said that they were wiser in the original trilogy after exiling themselves as a result of their failure. Yoda even mentions this towards the end of episode 3 as his intention. Now, I haven't seen any of the star wars films in years (and have recently been waiting to do a complete marathon before the release of 7), but wasn't there a dialogue in episode 6 where luke says "but I can't kill my own father", to which obi-wan responds "then the emperor has already won". This implies to me that it was still their intention that vader must die, which is more or less consistent with the prequels. Never once do I remember them (obi-wan or yoda) counselling luke about having compassion for vader (in fact they seemed to caution him about this, as tho his feelings for his father would be his downfall).
neozen01 no, I think obi wan wanted luke to kill vader if he had to, like in self defence. I think in order for Luke to become a jedi, he had to face Vader again and also face his own personal demons and ultimately overcome them in order to become a Jedi and defeat the dark side, that's what obi wan wanted luke to do. I think killing in self defence is rational. Just cause the jedi were guardians if peace and justice doesn't mean they cant fight or kill in self defence. In episode IV, Obi Wan amputated a thug in a bar in self defence and showed no remorse. The Jedi aren't pacifists, ya know.
Grievious was AWESOME in the orignal Clone Wars cartoon. It sucks that he was such a push-over in this movie. If he was anything like the original Grievious, he would have kicked Obi-Wan's ass faster than you could say "may the force be with you". I also think his voice in the original cartoon was better. It sounded calm and relaxed, but in the movie, he sounded like he was growling the entire time.
My only explanation for that part is that Mace did crush his chest so maybe that played into why he was such a push over. But then again it is George Lucas
AstroManX100 Oh hell yea, I love the 2D Clone Wars Grevious. Such a badass, he managed to beat several jedi masters at once... Bit of a shame he lost to Gungans in the 3D series...
***** Why the bloody hell would grievous be able to do anything like that? That was the problem with the cartoon. It was way, way over the top ALL the time. Clone Wars gave him a better and more realistic portrayal.
Awesome review Jeremy! Your Yoda impression cracks me up and you bring up a ton of great points. Though didn't we see Anakin fight some Jedi masters when Obi-Wan and Yoda are looking at the hologram thing? I could be wrong.
I think you're right but it looked more like a cowardly "kill them while they're sleeping" type thing. Granted, the Jedi weren't sleeping but it wasn't a battle. In the EU though (now non canon) they establish that Anakin fought a Jedi named Cin Drallig who's apparently the greatest swordsman of the Jedi and while Anakin was fighting him he was strangling his padawan at the same time. So Anakin, one handed killed the best swordsman and strangled his padawan too. But of course it's not in the movies.
When you think about it, it makes sense that palpatine would have a different “enforcer” each movie. He was in search of a much more powerful apprentice and that obviously happened to be anakin. Not to mention sidious was controlling both sides of the war, so it makes sense why he would have different people of power on his side at once and they all don’t even know they’re working for the same master (except probably dooku)
***** I would say everything is amazing about Dare Devil but the Dare Devil costume. The helmet looks goofy as hell. I just couldn't take him seriously with that helmet on. He had to be blind to think that was a good look.
Favorite film: Return of the Jedi: Favorite novel: Darth Plagueis Favorite comic: Omnibus Clone Wars volume 3, mainly the stories revolving Anakin and Obi-wan together Favorite game: Battlefront 2
You must like Star Wars. Me too. My favorite games are Battlefront (I love all of them) and KOTOR. And my favorite films were Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. 😊
Ian Barefoot Ehhhh. We already got people bitching about the action we did get. More would take away from the story and make it a man of steel esque slug fest
Myles Johnson Simple solution. Cut the final duel in half. I was far too long and drawn out with unecessary crap like balancing on droids and climbing fallen bridges to the point where it loses a lot of potency. Use that time showing Vader fighting in his suit and possibly hearing him talk a bit more. I too was amazed how such an epic fight in MoS became so mind-numbing, I just wanted it to be over.
Ian Barefoot I just think in mos the world engine scene should have just been him struggling to breath and fighting the world engines gravity with voice over of pa Kent mentioning how whatever man he chooses to be is gonna change the world. That would have run in parallel with how his real fathers voice over helped him to discover his true power his earth father essentially would have been what steered him towards his purpose. Vader is his suit is a noooooooo. But the last fight was drawn out just a little bit too long.
You know I have the filling that if I search for a fanfiction that was written before the Disney trilogy it would be more entertaining and starwarish then the new trilogy.
I know this isn't a popular opinion... But 1. Empire Strikes Back 2. Revenge of the Sith 3. New Hope 4. Return of the Jedi 5. Phantom Menace (just cuz Maul) 6. Attack of the Clones
+Spineshot25 I like Revenge better than New Hope too, actually some critics (back when RotS came out) called it better than the original Star Wars, although for me maybe New Hope is a better movie. I do enjoy Sith more than Return of the Jedi though.
I bought Anakin’s turn to evil. I did not buy Khaleesi’s turn out of the blue. Nobody did. The prequels set up Anakin’s turn over the course of Episode 2 and most of Episode 3. GoT had 100 hours and no set up to the queen’s turn in the second to last episode. Baffling.
@@drewwhitney7327 Nah I think the Clone Wars did add that much better because of Ashoka. And granted yeah, Anakin lost a lot ik the prequels and has been through much. But it was Ashoka's leaving AND the Jedi poorly handling it was just somewhat their domino to Anakin's fall and Padme was just the final one.
Mark D'Asaro There's a point where homage reaches copying. I'm not saying TFA was a total ripoff, but i'll be damned if it didn't feel like it at times.
Watch the original A New Hope then watch it you realize that it's pays homage it doesn't rip off little things moment in the movie it only copies the big plot points and even then it does do things the original did not.
Jan Vařeka yeah I agree I think 7 is still really good but the last Jedi is absolutely awful rise of skywalker was entertaining but the direction they took with the story was not good at all
Episode 3: Revenge of The Sith is an incredibly good movie. It has so many emotionally devastating scenes, epic action sequences and a phenomenal soundtrack. It gets an 9/10 from me
I hope we get the privilege of an Anthology film about Anakin and his Padawan, Ahsoka Tano. It would be truly fantastic to see Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor reprise their legendary roles in the Star Wars universe
That is the dumbest thing who said that yoga. First of all you have a code stricter than the commandments and have to follow it at all cost all your life regardless of the situation otherwise You gee thrown out that is a bloody absolute thing. Jedi are not flexible do or do not there is no try jeeeez yoda give us a break when you expect such high standards and when it fails you instead of encouraging them You diss them no wonder the Jedi order went extinct. Sith and Jedi are both Wrong it is arm twisting the force users to only believe one such way and for people who have almost magic powers there I said it force Equal magic without incantation it is a lot of pressure on their psyche. We need a new Jedi code.
+Ed O'Meara And he said that the sith see everything black and white, but the jedi also see everything black and white. Fear, passion, love or even hatred dont necesarilly lead you to the dark side. You just need to learn discipline and control of your emotions
The thing is though, he is great at STORY. And IDEAS of characters. Not writing dialogue, not directing, IDEAS. He should have stayed in charge of IDEAS only.
I KIND OF understand the gripe that they feel as thought they're in different worlds... but I'd argue that that was on purpose. Everything changed when order 66 happened. the prequels were the golden days of old or whatever, whereas the original trilogy takes place in a society that's crippled and under tyranny.
He did kill Cin drallig and another jedi while choking with his other hand effortlessly i might add another jedi in the holo recording. But yes... i always wanted to see the temple raid.
"How many Jedi Masters did Vader kill" Umm Obi-Wan anyone? I also feel like alot of these points were nitpicks. I mean, with the villains thing. I'll grant you that Darth Maul should've survived but htere is nothing wrong with having multiple villains. Even the orig. trig. had multiple villains (Boba Fett, The Emperor, Vader, Tarkin, Jabba, etc. Also, Obi-Wan DID try to bring Anakin back to the light side but he knew he had to be ready to kill him for the good of the galaxy. Also, sometimes, you have to draw your lightsaber first. By your logic, Han shouldn't have shot first. This was a good movie. Heck, I'd even say its original trilogy good.
I would say your extremely wrong.. The original trilogy had one constant protagonist. Vader. They threw other problems in there but throughout Vader is always there.. It's not even close to the original trilogy. It's terrible. Almost as bad as attack of the clones.. The acting is horrendous. The cg is still terrible and over used.. And the film is just too long.. There is no suspense, the action is dull and way over choreographed, the character relationships are lifeless, and the film generally fails on every level..
And with obi wan ready to kill anakin it makes the Jedi look like a bunch of power hungry douchebags with lout a moral compass.. They Jedi always use diplomacy first than in a last resort fight if they have to... The movie doesn't know what it's doing the plot is terrible. They turned Vader into a scorned lover not a methodical bad ass.. He murders kids with no hesitation.. Bad movie terrible Star Wars movie. All the prequels suck
I think the point being made was that it doesn't feel fitting to have a Jedi make the first move. Sometimes a fight will be unavoidable, but it's unwise to encourage conflict. Han Solo is a smuggler, not a warrior-philosopher, shooting first would be fitting for him.
spenceII Jedi made the first move plenty of times in the OT. His whole thing about Luke doing it because he was acting the way a Jedi should is purely HIS interpretation. Sometimes Jedi have to draw first.
+KingLink95 i know this a old post but i have to say something about the han shouldn't have shot first part first of all han is not a jedi hes not a good guy at the start of the first movie thats why he shot first so the movie can show you that. these small details are why the originals where so much better every action someone made meant something
Raver Reviews Probably didn't feel Obi-Wan was a match and if he dragged Yoda down it could have cost them. Or perhaps it would have simply been too difficult for them both to get close enough to fight him. Or perhaps it was just Yoda's overconfidence that he could handle it and didn't need the help.
A little gripe I have to say about why Obi Wan was sent after Grievous because he was the master of the defensive form Soresu. In the novel it's stated Grievous could strike about 20 times a second and only a Soresu master of Obi Wans caliber could face him and full speed
+Local Jinchūriki palpatine's monologue when he confesses to anakin he's a sith doesn't have great quotable lines, but it drives better the idea that the idea of the "sides" is kinda pointless. and as far as i'm aware, it kinda goes against the buddhist wisdom that inspired the jedi, because it's more about accepting the world and oneself's flaws and dealing with them, rather than avoiding and repressing them completely. again, *as far as i'm aware*. but it's understandable that, for the sake of the movies, lucas had this opposition between how the jedi and the sith interpretate the force. it still felt "too easy" that he made the jedi being like priests and nuns.
jp mesquita But the Force is a mixture of the major world religion's already. The chaste fighting monk/knight is seen in both Christianity and Buddhism historically speaking. I just felt it odd he attached them to the Senate because they are really ineffective because of such which makes me tend to side with the Sith more. They see a problem, they fix it, rather than waiting on corrupt politicians to decide. That said it makes Lucas look clever if they have Luke going opposite all that and marrying as like the Jedi version of the protestant reformation.
+Galahad THE SCORE AND DARTH MAUL ALSO. John Williams score never disappoints! It was probably a good thing Darth Maul wasnt in the films much, so Lucas didnt have a chance to ruin him.
13:08 It's interesting watching reviewers miss the fact that the jedi code and its rejection of personal attatchment is supposed to be fucked up within the context of the story. As is the jedi's general hubris and hypocrisy.
MrThedorkknight lmao @ pitch perfect getting it wrong tho and saying it's the german word for father, like nah, seriously, it's dutch. a simple google search could've fixed that
TheOminousOne Yeah, cause a New Hope rip off is soooo much better than Episode 3, even with the Order 66 scene, Anakins turn to the darkside and one of the best lightsaber fights ever.
i dont mind obi wan going to kill Anakin. Jedi were warriors like Samurai, they weren't afraid of doing what was necessary. Luke Skywalker was still feircely optimistic and hadnt lost his innocence. Thats why he couldnt be turned. Luke's belief in redeeming Vader is what makes him different as a jedi and a character
How tf is Anakin’s turn sudden? He grew up as a slave boy, and is forced to leave his mother behind to train because of this big responsibility of being the chosen one. He then finds his mother dead after he finally sees her again and even falls in love, still having to fulfill expectations and maintain responsibilities he wasn’t ready for or trained well to do. He goes through all of this all to be told to not show emotion at all, one of the biggest flaws of the Jedi. He grew up as a slave and was a slave to an order that distrusted him and didn’t even like him. You don’t need to have watched CW or know that much about SW to understand this so when u think about it, Anakin’s turn was not sudden at all. I would also like to add that Vader means father in Dutch so I guess that’s why Palps names Anakin Vader, cuz he found out Anakin was gonna be a father, so dark father, ehh.
I guess hsi romance with Padme in the films was just unbearable to the point that even Clone Wars tried to salvage it. And Ashoka being a missing element of the prequels overall.
Concerning your Love/Sex thing at 13:30, fun thing, they address that in Starwars KOTOR with the most badass Jolee Bindo. "Love doesn't lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled... but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love... that's what they should teach you to beware. But love itself will save you... not condemn you."
On the topic of Anakin's turn and his slaughters... sometimes that's how it happens in real life. Sometimes you have to make a tough call and you choose wrong. Not to mention there's been 3 movies of Palpatine whispering lies into Anakin's ear about trusting the dark side, so Anakin was torn and didn't know what to do. In the heat of the moment his fear took over and he wanted Palpatine to try saving Padme. And after making such a fatal mistake of killing Windu he didn't know where else to turn but follow Palpatine. Even then, you can tell he's in conflict cuz he's crying on Mustafar after he slays the Trade Fedaration guys. And he did start his massacres by killing the younglings, but along with the Fedaration you can see on Yoda and Obi Wan's hologram camera footage that Anakin was actually killing adult Jedi. it's easy to overlook, but i assumed he slaughtered more of the Jedi than just children. Also, Obi Wan didn't want to kill Anakin either! They had a whole argument before Obi Wan lit his saber, which he only did because he sensed Anakin was about to attack him first. Obi Wan struck in pre-emptive defense. He didn't want to slaughter him on the spot. And assumably, yes, the Jedi forbid love with sex, y'know romantic love. It's where the most irrational attatchment is created. But, perhaps if the Jedi allowed such a thing, Anakin wouldn't have felt he needed to turn to the dark side. Who knows!
Jeremy, I've been a fan for years. I doubt you'll be able to see this because you're a busy guy but This is probably my favorite video of yours. I whole heartedly disagree with everything you have said about the prequels. Because I love the prequels. But I love to hear your opinions and you make a lot of interesting points. And I love your analysis of the fight scenes. But yeah this was a perfect video.
+Exavair12 He repeatedly mentioned that he would be nothing without Padme, him destroying the whole room shouldve been enough indication. Or were you sarcastic?
+Exavair12 the movie would've been so badass if it cut when his masks gets put on and starts breathing. - an alternate would to scream "noooo" as he's wrecklessly fucking up the room
The first two prequals are meh to me but I quite enjoy episode 3, it is on the level of Return of the Jedi for me, minus the last 15 min of rotj (which is my favorite 15 min of star wars :) )
Anakin should not have been in The Phantom Menace, other than as a minor background character who was "adopted" by Obi-Wan after being saved from an attack by Darth Maul. Maybe have Anakin as an orphan from Tatooine who was freed by Amidala. The protagonist, instead, should've been Obi-Wan himself, as an adventurous, enthusiastic, up and coming Jedi Knight who was more down to earth than his older and wiser mentor in Qui-Gon. Think Luke as a Jedi, but less angry, and more interested in expressing his emotions rather than repressing them like Qui-Gon, who would caution control for both good and ill at various points in the story. Obi-Wan would've bonded with Anakin after saving him from Maul, seeing this bright new star as great potential for training, but Qui-Gon would've vetoed it because "You must mature yourself before going to mature others." That way, Qui-Gon's death would've paved the way for a poorly trained Anakin, since Obi-Wan would have lacked the experience found in his former mentor. Darth Maul could've been a foil to Obi-Wan - a Dark Side fanboy who trained in the ways of the ancient Sith lords and sought to become the new Dark Lord (to contrast Obi-Wan's free-wheeling), with Sidious being supportive (contrast Qui-Gon's opposition), but not accepting since he either doesn't think Maul is powerful/proven enough or because he fears Maul's ambitions. Maul would've been a window towards world building in the Dark Side; this is what the Sith believe (do not repress your emotions), this is what they used to represent and embody (freedom, essentially), this is how the Sith are now (freedom for themselves more than anything), and this is what I want as a Sith (to harken back to old Sith lore). Maul's shtick in Phantom Menace should've been as a giant hammer, to contrast Sidious' careful planning and politicking. Maul would've attacked Anakin because he hated the slave boy's "defeatism," or something. Dooku was a Jedi master who felt disillusioned with the Republic and the Jedi Order - that much is already canon. I don't think he should've been associated with Sidious at all, because Dooku was always more interesting as a harsh, stern, yet idealistic politician who wanted change in the galaxy (like in Clone Wars) rather than as a straight up villain who villain'd because villainy. Dooku could've been more like Jolee Bindo, where he saw the value in both Light and Dark Side, and asked questions about the fundamental nature of the Force and how it should be studied, felt, and experienced. Sidious advancing himself politically could've been done so much better, too. Have him as a Senator taking advantage of a crisis to get himself elected Chancellor, rather than manufacturing a crisis (the Trade Federation isn't exactly smart to trust a shadowy hooded figure 24/7). Said crisis should not have been about taxes IN SPACE, conducted by a really dumb corporate group who had nothing to gain and everything to lose from invading a peaceful planet to sign a treaty that was never explained or signed even after the invasion. The crisis could've been traced all the way back to Supreme Chancellor Valorum. First scene of the movie should've been a shot of Valorum's old, worn-out cruiser hovering over Naboo (with Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan as bodyguards and Dooku as a mediator). The Naboo frigate is small and regal, but unarmed, while Czerka Arms' cruiser is larger, more high-tech, and newer-looking. This shot symbolizes the decay of the Republic as the "past," the "future" in Czerka (including the implication that corporations are better at governing than governments), the unchecked power of special interests within the Republic, and the vulnerable systems within the Republic susceptible to such special interests. No, we are not talking about trade routes or space taxes, so they will not be the Trade Federation here; Czerka, I think, perfectly captures what it means to have a corporation in charge of a planet, and since they are manufacturers in weapons, industry, and droids, I think they fit the bill much more than Viceroy Gunray. In the bridge would be Valorum with Kenobi and Jinn as bodyguards and Dooku as a mediator. Queen Amidala would be arguing with Czerka over their "protection racket," where they offer to send their droids as security to buildings, cities, regions, celebrities, lawmakers, aristocrats, even whole continents or planets, in exchange for slowly leasing their clients' sovereignty over to Czerka. They have the backing of the Trade Federation, led by Viceroy Nute Gunray, who wants to deregulate the Republic's ability to police groups like Czerka (who help produce/enhance their droid armies), starting with their ability to "trade" security for a price (and actual economic trade, which Czerka uses to financially influence other planets that don't want their security). Naboo is Czerka's next target, but Amidala refuses to cede control, while Czerka says their droids are more efficient at security than organics. Why would Naboo want Czerka's "help"? Well, to make things interesting, I'd have someone show a hologram of Amidala and Boss Nassa being attacked by a beast while trying to negotiate with the Gungans; Naboo is plagued by beast attacks that many think are being coordinated by the Gungans, while the Gungans say the Naboo are responsible. War is on the horizon despite the Queen's best efforts and the palace guards are not able to hold off the beasts for much longer. Dooku wants the Republic to send their army to fight off the beasts instead of Czerka, because Naboo is part of the Republic whereas Czerka is just a mega corp. Amidala, since she clearly is willing to resort to violence despite being "peaceful," gets close to attacking Czerka and Gunray, leading to Obi-Wan drawing his saber to keep things calm; Qui-Gon would hold him back and diffuse the situation by differing to Valorum. THIS is the treaty that would've been so important to Gunray, as Valorum would've allowed Czerka to control Naboo by guilt-tripping Amidala to sign the treaty due to the unrest. This gives full control over Naboo to Czerka; Dooku's disillusionment was partly born from the takeover of Naboo by Czerka under the Republic's watch. Obi-Wan is scolded by Qui-Gon to never draw his blade first when he could've calmed things down like his mentor did. Dooku, himself Qui-Gon's former master, becomes an outspoken voice for change in the Republic, while Palpatine (a Senator from Naboo) presents himself as a "change from within" candidate as a contrast to Dooku's "it must be changed from the outside" rhetoric. Qui-Gon is concerned over the seemingly random, yet suspiciously specific attacks by the beasts, and decides to descend to Naboo (to "oversee" the Czerka takeover) after the treaty is signed. Czerka deploys their droids from the cruiser above the planet; they are attacked by Gungan raiders near Otho Gunga. Obi-Wan, being the adventurer, is enthusiastic about the unrest and is eager to utilize "aggressive negotiations," while Qui-Gon cautions control; being a Jedi may be boring, but it's better than being needlessly violent. As Czerka's droids approach the palace, it is discovered that the palace is under attack by Gungans. Amid the turmoil, Obi-Wan discovers that Darth Maul, using ancient Sith powers, was the one who sent the beasts to attack Amidala and Boss Nassa. Anakin is nearly killed along with Amidala by Maul. A duel is ignited that Obi-Wan loses and needs assistance from Qui-Gon (who uses the Force rather than the saber). Maul escapes, while Obi-Wan gives chase, but Qui-Gon would rather inform the Jedi Council over what happened first. Senator Palpatine suggests the Jedi take Amidala back to her frigate for refuge in Coruscant. Czerka decides to attack Otho Gunga, in addition to leeching all sovereignty from Naboo to themselves "for national security." Naboo gets its workers, businesses, and lawmakers replaced by droids, and Dooku plants the seeds of separatism within the Republic. Senator Palpatine convinces Amidala to move for a vote of no confidence to Valorum due to the debacle with Czerka, Palpatine wins the election, and the creation of a new army is made to counter the increasing secessionist movement within the Republic. When Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are sent back to Naboo to restore order, under Palpatine's orders, Czerka conducts an invasion against the Gungans' underwater city. Obi-Wan convinces Palpatine to sanction the Czerka director in Naboo for illegally attacking a society that was not involved in the beast attacks. The rest of Czerka is forced to disavow the Naboo contingent while Palpatine sends a task force against the director in Naboo. With Maul killing Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan killing Maul, Czerka is pushed out of the planet, freeing Naboo, but at the cost of many lives. Obi-Wan takes Anakin under his tutelage while Dooku formally establishes a separatist alliance against the Republic. Of course, Czerka plays both sides by maintaining their protection racket while supplying schematics to the separatists' droid armies. Grievous was created as a way to foreshadow Anakin's fall, as a broken man turned cyborg Jedi killer. I would've had Grievous as a Kaleesh warlord who nearly died at the hands of the Jedi, and was reconstructed as a cyborg by Czerka. They wanted him to be their top enforcer, as a symbol of "innovation" and advancement in military hardware, but he defected, and goes about assassinating Jedi throughout the galaxy. He is recruited by Dooku, who pitied his plight, and trained him in the ways of swordsmanship. While Dooku is the official head of state for the Separatist Alliance, Grievous is the supreme commander and top hatchet man - the "Vader" that the prequel trilogy sorely needed.
Anthony Serocco anakin should have been in TPM, but not as a child, rather a regular young jedi, albeit a strong one. this trilogy should have been a character study, but lucas isn't capable of any in-depth characters which is why he sticks to ensembles. pretty much every single thing in the PT should have been flipped 180 degrees.
King Morganite it needed a competent screenwriter and director. these movies (and others) puts his competence into question ~ was lucas just a lucky bum? was he just out of practice? did his ego get in his way? are his methods and stories just out of time and place?
I find it rather funny that no one says anything about the fact that the name Sith was never used until the prequels. the original trilogy never mentions the word sith even once! Why?
+Rusty Blade probably because there were no more Jedi around, that would leave the emperor now in total control of the galaxy and therefor no need to keep the sith around and dispanded them.
+Rusty Blade The Sith were mentioned in the Marvel comics Star Wars series of the 70s/80s. Vader frequently described himself as a "Lord of the Sith" in these stories. That phrase was also used in the children's audio cassette adapation of 'A New Hope'. So the concept of the Sith was part of the Star Wars universe even during the time of the original movies.
I agree that you shouldn't need to watch the clone wars to understand the prequels, but theclone wars is actually a fucking amazing show, it's good from season 1-2 but season 3 is better than evey single good moment in the prequels combined! It's all on netflix, do yourself a favor Jeremy and watch that show!
I gave the show a shot but thought that it was just meh. I only watched the first 6 episodes give or take, but I thought that the pacing and writing was sloppy so I gave up on it. A lot of people like it though so I might have to give it another try lol
There's two clone wars shows though - One cgi and another animated. The animated one bridges the gap of Anakin becoming a Jedi and the moments before episode 3 starts (including how Grevious got his lungs crushed)
Michael McCallister Trust me, the show gets better around late Season 2-early Season 3. It gets darker in tone and they give the characters more personality and depth. Just watch the Mortis trilogy in season 3 or the Mandalore arc in Season 5 to see what I'm talking about.
Obi wan didn't go to mustafar to kill Anakin. He went because it's important, because he loved Anakin and wanted to either help him to come to the light side, or destroy him if necessary to save the lives of others. But killing him wasn't the motive, it was a last resort, as he himself says: "then, i will do what i must"
uıɐʇdɐɔ ʞɔɐɾ uıɐʇdɐɔ Your the one with problems. I do love the prequel trilogy. I just do. I grew up watching the original trilogy, then I watched the prequel trilogy & then I loved the prequel trilogy just as much as l love the original trilogy. You can't tell what movies I love or don't love. I'll always love the prequel trilogy. So don't tell me what movies I can or can't love.
It's incredibly cheesy and out of character. What would have been a better way to show Vader's anger and sadness would be to have him just slaughter all the medical people and go nuts. Not scream no in overly dramatic fashion.
***** But tats just it, Star Wars was based on Lucas' love to movie serial. Big acting and big action, why do you think he uses Wilhelm screams when people fall off stuff.
Fenris30 Yeah and he can do that without ruining scenes. I respect him for creating this universe and giving ideas, but as a script writer and director he's dogshit.
Me personally, I am not a huge fan of the prequel movies. I like them a little bit, but not nearly as much as the original trilogy. But I must say, Revenge of the Sith was actually pretty good. It got intense at times, and it was very sad and depressing towards the end. I would probably say Revenge of the Sith is ranked my 4th favorite Star Wars movie behind the original trilogy.
If you think that we should have seen how powerful Anakin was in killing the Jedi masters then you haven't been paying attention what the movie is about. Obviously he killed Jedi masters, he attacked the Jedi temple after all but that was not the point. The Jedi purge is not there to show how awesome Anakin is, but to show his evil and terrible deeds.
Favorite from each trilogy,
Prequel: Revenge of the Sith
Original: Empire Strikes Back
Sequel: Force Awakens
Spin offs: rogue one
Am I the only person in the world who liked solo
Tros is way better then tfa
@@adamfurey7320 The rise of skywalker have way more plotholes than the force awakens though
BlackLies_HD yes but tfa played it safe and copied anh while tros was og without being bad like the last Jedi imo it was the only sequel that I really liked
Episode III and V are my favourite films in the saga.
neekafat episode 6 was pretty good too
Matthew Brant it was mine too
Sebastian Fitzpatrick My favorite is Episode 6. Only thing bad about Epi 6 is the Ewoks
RezaImranNinetyEight® nothing bad about the empire strikes back!
Both of them were the ones where the villains win😂
But that was the point of the prequels right??? The Jedi were corrupt and were not pure anymore. So of course they failed all the test
It would have been so great to see that part of the story. To see how the Jedi were arrogant and started to believe they were the best, which would lead them to their own destruction.
it should have started with a civil war on Naboo in the TPM , where the Jedi failed to act in time to prevent the war.
Then with Anakins training, where he saw the Jedi's dogma stiff and unyielding, contradiction teachings and where he has to conceal the relationship with Padme.
And then in ROS we see a desolated Anakin fighting an endless war which has effected the galaxy, his mothers death and the temptation of the dark side.
Bellcross The entire prequel trilogy is about arrogant Jedi. Mace Windu for one along with the Jedi Council not believing the Siths return or trying O seize power at the end.
Agreed, Jeremy said that all of them failed, but that is exactly what it supposed to be, Jedi falling! :D
Ps: The Jedi all failed to see how troubled Anakin was
I think Jeremy is biased like a lot of reviewers of his generation (like RLM/Plinkett) because they idealize the originals and bash the prequels without even making the effort of paying a minimum of attention to it.
I can paint any movie as something that 'sucks' if I put my mind to the task.
The fact that Obi wan loved anakin was kind of the point. Obi wan wasn't the master Anakin needed, Qui gon was. That's why the duel of the fates was the duel of the fates. It ultimately put anakin down the wrong path. Qui gon would have been the stoic, objective guiding father figure required to teach anakin to control his darker impulses. Obi wan wasn't that. He got attached to anakin and treated him more like a brother because he simply wasn't ready to assume the position of master that Maul (and, by extension sidious) put him in.
Episode III was and is still my favourite.
Revenge of the Sith is amazing
Tony Arevalo 8/10 but when compared to originals 6/10
I'm not ashamed to make it my favorite
Absolutely agree
I see you are a man of culture as well
Bruh not the younglings
You don't deserve that logo
The Last Oakland Raiders Fan How shameful...
Your right! Not the young o-- oh, it is to late!
Raiiii-ders!
Kickasscomedy94 What about 'em?..They suck..in a big way.
As much as I like the Clone Wars animated series, and I agree that in the series you can see Anakin slowly turn to the dark side (sometimes, other times it got weird), I will also say that in my opinion at least the Clone Wars only ever works for me when I consider it as being detached from the dumb prequels. And yeah 100% you should have been able to see his turn coming in the films ALONE, no add-ons required.
***** I for one actually like the Clone Wars series, with certain episodes as an exception. But especially the focus on the clone troopers was very interesting to me.
futurewriter87 For me personally, there wasn't enough of a focus on the clones. (That's why I love I.M.P.S. - a documentary about the stormtroopers, all fan made)
So many interesting stories that are untold about the clones. Sadly, since I watched Clone Wars I can't re-watch any of the Star Wars movies and not feel bad for the clones and stormtroopers.
when u say animated do u mean awful 3d series or actual original animated one was so AMAZING it was more believable, great writing, and it ends just as third movie should of started off.
***** What was all that shit with Gandalf and the Outsider from Dishonored? When they get stuck on that planet and then Anakin sees the Vader mask, it's kind of weird :/
futurewriter87 Don't kid yourself. Lucas sold his soul long before Disney was in the picture. The prequels were more about cashing in on nostalgia and toy sales rather than focusing on a good story. While Disney does love their toy sale money as well, at least they know how to make a good movie. Disney acquired Marvel and they are doing alright.
I don't know that Yoda failed the "test", considering Palpatine had just blasted him across the room with force lightning, so...
but yoda first used the force against the guards in the room. technically he still started the fight
Still, Yoda was flawed like the rest of the Jedi. That was the whole point.
Hero I don’t blame Yoda for starting it though. Wouldn’t you do the same if you lost your whole Jedi order to Sidious?
@John Wack true considering he was the grand master and one of the most legendary jedi...he should have lowkey mopped the floor with sidious just using force power. Sidious should only be able to keep up with lightsabers
@@kiddcannabis3816
And Darth Sidious was the culmination of a thousand years of Sith surpassing each other.
Vader did canonically kill a several Jedi Masters in the Temple. Also, Obi-Wan did try to talk Anakin down a bit before Anakin attacked.
Even when their fighting Obi-wan tries one last time to talk to him.
If your talking to me he tried to talk to Anakin twice before the fight started and again when their riding on the lava.
Its almost like jeremy didnt even watch the movie😂
Hex Prime there was a time when pretty much everyone on the internet was obligated to hate the prequels, so what you see here is blind hate.
@@joker18524 or people pl let just have differing opinions.
I swear if theres one thing the sequel trilogy did that was worse was give people this false sense in thinking the prequels are hidden gems or masterpieces when in fact, they're not. They're still as bad as s they were back when they released.
The scene when Palpatine and Anakin are talking in a theatre (or whatever) is just amazingly beautiful.
Mateusz Wojtkiewicz "Leave us" That powerful line..in two words. Gotta love Ian McDiarmid
Nick Santillo Yup he told some people to leave so powerful....
Mateusz Wojtkiewicz Probably one of the most redeeming scenes out of the prequels
Mateusz Wojtkiewicz Is it possible to learn this power?
zaandarbrow what?
Technically within the movie Anakin does kill one Jedi Master on screen: Cin Drallig. One handed, no less.
When?
When they are watching the archive footage
And while choking Drallig's apprentice at the same time.
elitekjms What +Henry he and +Andy Howard said.
Antoine Bandele and that was all we got to see of the attack on the Jedi temple, a tiny and brief piece of security footage of him fighting two jedi (did we even see him kill him, I only remember a couple of brief sabre clashes). Just one of many disappointments with ROTS was we didn't even get to see the Jedi fighting clones in the temple. When Anakin and the Clones march to the temple I thought we were about to see some epic battle in the temple, but nope cuts to a different scene and we get to none of what could have been an epic battle
Says the fight between Anakin and Obi Wan is too long:
“It’s treason then”
What is the point of them twirling their lightsabers at each other?
deathsdoor07 fighting is about technique.
Well at that point in time Anakin and obi-won were about the same strength/skill so it wouldn't have been a fight that would concluded immediately.
@@Tripster60 It looks stupid. "Let's twirl our lightsabers in the air before we go back to our fight."
If u rewatch revenge of the sith it’s honestly way to long lol I’m not a prequel hater I love them a lot and respect the movies but the fight is way to over dramatic I’m fine with them fighting long but when they were swinging on lava platforms like monkeys it was a little bit to much looking back at it
I think the fact that the Jedi were hypocritical and made mistakes in the prequels was intentional. The prophecy talks about bringing balance to the force, but during the prequels there are thousands of Jedi and only two Sith. The Jedi have become complacent and somewhat corrupt, and Anakin/Vader leading the purge was just part of him fulfilling the prophecy (though unintentionally).
+C Mufasa Thats a very, very interesting way of looking at it... :)
Good one.
thousands of jedi's? I thought there was 66 jedi's
+Unicron Definitely not. The name of Order 66 has nothing to do with the number of Jedi, lol. I guess I could understand the confusion, but the Jedi were quite a large organization throughout the days of the Old Republic (excluding the First Jedi Purge). Many also died in the Clone Wars before Order 66, but there were still a large number of Jedi active, many of whom stayed at the Temple.
Ight
Mace Windu was actually considering to take over the senate so Palpatine wasn't THAT wrong about the Jedi trying to take over.
Like Jeremy said, Episode 1 should've started with Anakin in his late teens. In there, we see him already in his descent to the Dark Side. In Episode 2, we see his fall to the Dark Side and his taking the mantle of Darth Vader (basically, a two-part story chronicling his seduction and fall). Because, in Episode 3, we should've seen what Obi-Wan told Luke: Vader hunting down and destroying the Jedi. No Galen Marek, no Grievous and his trophies, and no Inquisitor. Just Vader doing what we were told he had done. And through Episodes 2 and 3, we could've watched him accumulate injuries and damage, and assimilating robotic parts a little bit at a time. We watch his appearance alter without actually seeing him in the full, finished armor we know and love, because it shouldn't be until Episode 4 we see the full monstrosity he's become.
+NeroBlack2200 Didn't episode 4 allude to the fact that Kenobi was the reason Vader was in the suit to begin with?
I could be wrong, but I don't think so. There was the initial dichotomy of the "good friend" Anakin and his murderer, Vader. When Vader confronts Obi-Wan, we get dialogue mentioning the relationship of "learner" and "master". If 5 or 6 even hint at the cause of his injuries, it's more implicit in just seeing his scars and us being aware of that past relationship. I don't remember their cataclysmic duel ever being explicitly mentioned anywhere other than EU material, much less that it took place near lava.
NeroBlack2200
Now I must re-watch the OT.
deathsdoor07 Yeah, memory isn't always the best for this type of discussion. What's readily apparent to me is the fact Lucas overlooked several details from the OT.
NeroBlack2200
It doesn't help that Lucas made alterations to the OT.
Palpatine named him Vader because he's aware of Padme's pregnancy and vader means ,,father'' in dutch. What's amazing is that when the originals came out and we first learned about the characters, Luke's missing father and then heard about Vader, Netherlands knew the biggest spoiler in cinematic history.
+Evelina999 Really> I mean, I'm Dutch and I haven't heard anything about that. Obi-Wan clearly says that Darth Vader killed Luke's father, so I'm not sure people would connect the dots even knowing what the name means.
Tom Wijenbergh Wouldn't it be something like ,,Your father killed your father''? People would put this stuff together. Unless they changed his name in the translation.
Well it's just subtitles, right? So it's still "Darth Vader killed your father". I bet people were just like "Ha what a funny coincidence" instead of "Oh wow that means this Darth guy is his father". Because even though the name 'Vader' means 'father', there could be a million different reasons for it other than him being Luke's dad. So I don't think people caught on to it... especially since the notion that some villain Luke has never even met in his life and commands armies is his father is so far out there. Sure, in retrospect it might seem a bit obvious, but that can be said of a lot of plot twists in cinematic history.
Tom Wijenbergh I'm sure that some people figured it out.
Evelina999 Possibly, but I haven't heard anything about it myself, and I doubt it was like a widespread thing here. The theory of Vader being Luke's father, that is.
'That's genocide in the highest form: A planet's death.'
Thanos: 'Cool, but.. look at this magic trick.'
Jeremy's impersonation scenes are the best 😂😂
WolfsbaneFilms 5:47 😂
You're not a jedi yet ok, you cant lecture me
His Matthew McConaughey impression is spot on lol.
The thing about a Jedi not knowing love is bullshit.
A Jedi can know love, but only platonic love. For example, love for their family/friends/species and a general love of life as a whole is not only allowed, but encouraged. It's passion they can't have. The Jedi Code goes: There is no passion, there is serenity.
A romance without passion is not a romance at all. So Obi-Wan saying he loved Anakin like a brother is within the acceptable parameters set forth by the Jedi, but a passionate romance between a man and woman such as Anakin was having is taboo.
Xylarxcode ive been yelling this for years when people said that about jedis are bad because of no emotions/love.
Could’ve been illustrated better though
I've been saying for years that George intentionally made the Jedi very flawed because their ignorance was the reason as to why the Order collapsed in the first place, yet critics on RUclips always stated those flaws as a mistake which is fucking stupid, because the critics are too busy comparing the Jedi in the prequels to Obi Wan and Yoda in the OT. Yoda and Obi Wan are so different in the prequels, less enlightened so to speak, because they followed the same flawed laws of the Jedi Order until they survived the downfall, and been given the chance to reflect. George did it perfectly, but fans saw it as poor writing. Yes the prequels suffer from it, but the Jedi being the cause of their own downfall was the fucking point and OT fanboys missed that point entirely.
So yeah, about the Love thing you are correct but it is one of the many hypocrisies that the Jedi had which Luke himself points out in Last Jedi (though he just called them hypocrites, which is nice because it was a reference to the Prequels).
"There is no passion, there is Serenity"?
Hogwash and balderdash!
Try this one:
"Passion yet Serenity"
;)
Xylarxcode jedi can Love but they are said they cant reproduce so that theres not so much force sensitive children
Obi Wan: Its over Anakin. I have the high ground.
Anakin: Its not what Maul said.
Obi Wan: Fuck
(Anakin jumps behind Obi Wan and slices him in half)
Obi Wan is the Master of the ground.
He clearly didn't teach Anakin how to master the ground LOL
Fun fact: this actually happened in the ROTS video game alternate ending.
Fun Fact: Obi-Wan vs Anakin is in the Guinness book of World Records for being the longest sword fight in cinema history.
this is the only prequel i liked
Me to
QuaytGang that movie was terrible
First off the love story is too in your face in that movie second there was way too much cgi to the point it was laughable thirdly anakin was a little punk in that movie I could go on and on
QuaytGang that is your right
I just prefer star wars episode 6
I haven't heard it mentioned at all. In Return of the Jedi Luke is talking to Leia and asked what her mother was like. Leia said she didn't get to know her for too long, but that she remembered her always looking sad. Which would mean Padme should not of died giving birth in Revenge of the Sith. Please correct if I'm wrong.
She didn't die during childbirth. She died afterwards.
Jeremy tackled that in his Return of the Jedi review.
Daniel Wood My assumption was that Leia wasn't talking about Padme at all in Episode VI, but rather Breha Organa. At the time, I don't think Leia would have known she was adopted considering that she didn't know her heritage. Which would have made sense, since the last thing Bail would have wanted was to give Leia dangerous information while Darth Vader was hunting down the last of the Jedi.
crzymn246 wow good point.
Never even occurred to me
Daniel Wood She could've been referring to her adopted mother. Remember, that was before Luke told her that they were siblings.
I think the movie poster is referring to romantic love. Obi-Wan feels brotherly love for Anakin, these are two different things.
Then again, that shows attachment and Jedi aren't supposed to have attachments. But young Obi-Wan is proven to be pretty flawed. He killed Darth Maul (or injured him if you go with the EU) partially out of anger and he was clearly attached to Qui Gon Jinn.
***** Clone Wars is canon. Darth Maul lives :)
***** Thats what I enjoy about star wars though. The jedi of the old republic are hypocrites. They are an order that has become arrogant with time. That's why you can KINDA justify the whole universe turning against them with the empire. THis is also why in the old EU, Luke Skywalker was a great leader when he established a much more compassionate jedi order.
MaMastoast Agreed. In the Old Republic novels post KOTOR Revan and bastilla wanted to introduce the idea of having Jedi being married and have kids but the Order was pretty hardcore bout the celibacy thing and both were kicked out as a result.
I never understood why the Jedi were so adamant about that. I mean for the Night's Watch I can kinda understand sicne their job is pretty important but the people there made that choice. Jedi are pretty much kidnapped and brainwashed to join this order where sex isnt allowed and if you do want to have a family you get kicked out.
Like you said, Luke did the awesome thing of having a more tolerant Jedi order....and he wanted to bang Mara Jade. I mean, you would!
Georg Veramme They just fail to understand that by banning such a natural desire. They are causing a lot more conflicts than otherwise would've been there. Jedi are just as human/alien as ayone else, even if they have a stronger willpower.
Banning things like relationships and sex simply creates places for doubt and frustration to build.
MaMastoast Exactly. But the old jedi order kept their old rules and ideals very close.This mostly comes from arrogance and that they have established a certain "superiority" in the galaxy, as the only force users. You have to look at it like the church. They also have kept their mindset very ignorant of what is going on around them and that they need to evolve to stay alive.
When Luke revived the Jedi Order, he included his own ideals that he grew up with and which made him the jedi he was.
Overall you can argue that the Jedi had it coming and were closer to their sith adversaries than they knew.
if you watch cinemaWins he has a very good discussion about this movie, and talked about Anakin's supposed 'quick' turn to the dark side, and how everything up to that point was leading right to it. I used to be one of the people who thought the turn was too fast, but have really re-thought how I look at it. he also discusses the supreme failing of the Jedi council, why they are also responsible for everything that happened. qui-gon was one of the only one not complacent and arrogant and he was punished for basically not confirming.
Brett Jacobson what video is that discussion?
In his 'everything great about revenge of the sith' video. He goes through the list of wins, then begins more in-depth discussion later in the video
Brett Jacobson basically everything but the prequel movies did a good job showing anakins fall to the dark side.
But is the movie really successful if it feels sudden when you just watch it? I think the best movies can have analysis applied to them that reveals layers that matches and deepens the superficial and "first view" plot, rather than ones that need a lot of explanation to defend something that feels weird and out of place in the "first view" or whatnot.
Don't forget Episode 1 and 2, he discussed those as well.
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I don't quite agree with what you are saying about Obi Wan going to kill him being against the original trilogy. In the OT, yes Luke thought there was still good in his father and that he could be redeemed, but Obi Wan, yes, Obi Wan, said that it wasn't true and Vader was pure evil. In my opinion this is more about Luke in particular being the one with the insight that the other 2 remaining jedi didn't grasp, and it lends importance to Luke as a character in the OT and what he specifically did. It's not just "oh the Jedi are all forgiving, so PT Obi Wan should be too".
I think you are simplifying this a little bit in order to criticize the PT, which indicates a slight bias against it.
Completely agree. i think the PT really enhances and cares to add depth to the original trilogy.
Andrew Ricklefs you would be right if Obi Wan had more reason to kill Anakin, or even tried at all to help him, he literally saw a recording of him killing younglings and was like “Ohhh I better go kill him” I always thought that Obi Wan saw him as pure evil after there fight, I believe that would make more sense.
SlapStick Productions He saw the recordings and it was hard for him to deal with. Also you say slaughtering young kings like it’s no big deal, Anakin was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Jedi. Obi-Wan asked Padme to help, when it was clear he couldn’t be convinced he stepped out there himself. He talked for a little, as Anakin CHOKED the loved of his life. I think at that point Obi-Wan realized Anakin was completely insane and needed to be stopped.
Also I don’t even think he wanted to kill Anakin. Obi-Wan spends the whole fight running away, then at the end he says “don’t try it” to Anakin because he didn’t want to kill him. Obi-Wan was ready to just walk away with Padme and hide but Anakin wouldn’t allow it. So he cut his limbs, it’s funny cause he couldn’t even bring himself round to delivering the final blow.
Ojogbane Amedu he went there with the intent to kill Anakin, or at least that’s what I got from it, but it’s still Obi Wan’s fault that Anakin turned to the dark side, that is a master’s responsibility when raising and training his/her padawan, you can see just before their fight when they’re arguing, Obi Wan pulls out his saber and says “I will do what I must” before Anakin even draws his saber. But it really comes down to how you see the characters and reason to fight in general, I personally don’t think Obi Wan had enough motivation to kill Anakin but to each his own.
SlapStick Productions I see, so then you think the murdering of children and hundreds of innocent people is worth nothing? Objectively speaking Obi-Wan had every right to go there and kill him. Now yes it is Obi-Wans fault partially, he was a good trainer but a poor mentor. Yes Obi-Wan draws his saber first but I think at that point he did want to kill him. Somewhere along the fight it becomes clear he can’t beat Anakin and so he decides to run away.
But yes if you are ok with mass murderers who kill children, then blame Obi-Wan all you want for wanting to kill Anakin. I think he couldn’t be more justified after Order 66, I was surprised he even had any love left in him to muster a tear.
For me, that opening space battle is probably one of the best scenes in the movie.
Actually obiwan always thought Vader needed to die in the OT. Thats why he lied to luke, he wanted luke to kill Vader and he felt like luke wouldnt do what he needed to do if he knew Vader was his father.
+Comical Genius
I interpreted it in the way that Obi-Wan was too attached to Anakin and because of that he couldn't bring himself to actually kill him ("you were my brother, Anakin, I loved you") and that is the reason why he lied to Luke, to make him avoid that attachment.
Revenge Of The Sith is definitely the best prequel film.
This has gotta be the best outta the prequels and it got me teary eyed :'(
Yep.
This was the best of all the prequels
Indeed! It was exciting and hardcore :3
Delon Luu best of shit is still shit
***** well the classics will still top them all but let's hope Episode 7 dosen't try anything silly
I actually love the prequels because of what they've done to the Star Wars fan base. Like it or hate it, we all talk about it and are willing to passionately defend the trilogy. That, AND without the prequels, we wouldn't have gotten all of the really cool cities, worlds, and mythology. The OT were better films, but there wasn't as much world building at the prequels had. This world building basically opened up the gates for a whole slew of mythos. Case and point, without the prequels, the Old Republic series wouldn't have existed.
Thoughts?
+Matthew Bergman I liked Sith but didn't like the other two all that much..I've kinda recently returned to fandom and have been checking out Expanded Universe, realizing that just as much as Walking Dead "remixes" the original comic with the series, Force Awakens "borrows" and "remixes" EU elements! I still enjoyed the film though, but think someone might have a case...I think what you said kind of ties into what Lucas had to say (before backtracking) about Force Awakens. He had kind of given carte blanche to others going with his vision and adding to it for the expanded universe, as long as he had the control over the prequels (even if they actually included some EU stuff)..with Force Awakens they threw all that away, and in a way in retrospect the fact he allowed all the freedom with the EU, despite his flaws doing the prequels, make me have a newfound respect for him
You are completely right
I love all Star Wars movies. The new ones Episode 7 and 8 were okay. I was definitely into them new movies for a scene or two but they felt too Disney. I don't mean "magical/girly" Disney, I mean the Disney that made Marvel movies full of non intense scenes that have too much going on. The old Star Wars movies from the 70's to 00's had the enjoyable action and a story you can reflect on.
@Matthew Bergman I still think a watchable movie would´ve been better, tho... xDxD
@@chatochafa130 7 and 8 barely add anything to the universe. I've no idea what unique and interesting stories they can add with the path they created. They will probably have to backpeddle. The world building is inconsistent and boring often, probably the only decently realized character is kylo ren. The did Poe and Fin poorly since fin is basically a comic relief when he shouldn't be and Poe has barely anything remarkable about him, he is as deep as anyone from rogue one but he has 2 movies under his belt. I just wish those movies were better.
Not gonna lie... Episode 3 is my favorite Star Wars to watch. Sure, there's a lot of terrible dialogue and cheesy moments, but it's such a fun ride from the opening space battle to the climactic finale between Obi-Wan and Anakin. Be gentle, please.
Same
Its boring AF.
@@gabrielp9646 ....your opinion
There’s a lot of terrible dialogue and cheesy moments in every Star Wars film.
@@joker18524 ya. For example:
In ANH: Ben Kenobi literally says, "only a master of evil, DARTH."
People can die from broken hearts. That's how Carrie Fisher's mom died. Also, I felt the movie made it clear that Obi-Wan was willing to break the rules for Anakin because he believed in the prophecy and put that above all else for his Master. He not only loved Anakin, he was willing to keep his secret when he found out Padme was pregnant. While Anakin was going to Palpatine for personal stuff, he should have put more trust in Obi-Wan and had the confidence to tell him things because Obi-Wan would have never betrayed Anakin. I always felt that was the true tragedy of their relationship.
I heard that the novelization and George said that she died from force poisoning.
It's also sad that Anakin was so corrupted by hate that he was needlessly paranoid that Obi-wan wanted Padmé for himself. Obi-wan was the one person who loved Anakin and would never do that to a man he saw as a brother.
It’s definitely true that it can happen but it feels cheesy to send Padme off like that. I like how the Legends canon explained it.
Carrie Fishers mom was very old. Not even a comparison.
@@PorQpine09 Broken heart syndrome is still a real thing. Anyone can die from it.
Wrong!!!!! Anakin killed a lot of Jedi' s in the temple. However, they only show it in the camera footage.
+SiLvr_BuLLeTz I just assumed they were implying he went to the temple to kill everyone, not just kids. I just assumed they showed the kids in order to say how fucked up he became.
I assumed this, because not everything has to be shown. Again, I just assumed it was implied.
+SiLvr_BuLLeTz Did you even watch the fucking movie? Anakin went in with the entire 501st Clone Legion to slaughter the Jedi Temple, there were plenty of Jedi to be killed there. EDIT: Dismiss this comment. Bad interpretation is bad interpretation.
+1966Zodiac he killed children.
The prequels trilogy isnt the tragic fall of a hero and great jedi, its the story of how a stupid whiney brat becomes a child murdering physcopath! Thats it!
+1966Zodiac Yes, but not every Jedi knight is a Jedi master. All masters were away on missions and the rest went to arrest Palpetine, who killed them. Anakin never killed anyone high up on the ladder, who could have been considered his equal in terms of use of the force or lightsaber.
+ASobsessive ...if you have to put it so tactlessly. It's more nuanced than that. Anakin turns because he loves Padme, and believes 100% in his visions, and he fears them, especially because those of his mom became true, so he's willing to doubt his own judgement of Palpatine as the sith lord and undergo his training to save Padme, not realizing he's being corrupted every step of the way. You can even ask yourself, since Palpatine had his eyes on Anakin since early on, if it could've been one of his tricks to give Anakin visions of losing Padme.
When Anakin kills the younglings, he's become clouded in his vision because of how far he's gone and because Palpatine probably has some kind of dark-side prescence that makes it worse for Anakin.
anakins descent to the dark side began when schmi died, when he murders all those sand people. his switch was, in no way, quick
Bullshit.
exactly
Richard Moran Then why the hell was that never touched upon in revenge of the sith? Maybe a little flashback would've helped for ffs?
Richard Moran yea if schmi doesn't die anakin never turns to the dark side
Nishant Thapa it was touched on. When anakin kills count dooku (which is another example of him falling towards the darkside) you can hear the raiders scream. Its subtle but there
9:04 "He's more machine now than man, twisted and evil."
"When [Vader turned], the good man who was your father was destroyed."
They think he's beyond saving in the OT. They think Luke needs to kill him. Remember that the Sith are the same guys who killed a lot of people and plunged the galaxy into civil war just to get at the Jedi. For Anakin to willingly side with the people who cut off is limb means he knows all this, and he made the conscious choice to follow them anyway. When he did that, he stopped being Anakin and instead became "the enemy". And Obi-Wan still sees Anakin at the time of their battle. That's why he walks away instead of just sticking his lightsaber into Anakin's eye.
Also remember, Luke was the only guy making a case on Vader's behalf. Why does Luke try to save him where Obi-Wan does not? Because Luke isn't a Jedi like Obi-Wan and Yoda are Jedi. He's the first of the new Jedi, having grown to manhood without being taught ethics and philosophy by cold, emotionless beings. He doesn't have the same prejudices as they do. They see a monster who blows up planets and needs to die, Luke sees a human being who's been manipulated into doing all these things.
Stop comparing the prequels to the OT like they're sequels. Roughly half of the complaints I've seen about the prequels start with "In the original trilogy". That's not fair to the prequels.
Addendum: For those who ask why Obi-Wan didn't try to save him in RotS, remember that Obi-Wan tried to talk Anakin out of the fight no less than _three_ times, one of which was just after he watched Anakin strangle his own wife. I think that speaks volumes of how much Obi-Wan doesn't want to kill him, coupled with the fact that he was constantly giving ground throughout the fight and passed up numerous opportunities for an easy kill.
Ikrani I agree. I feel like everyone keeps looking at the Star Wars movies in order of release date instead of the order of the episode numbers. I mean, Lucas planned for this trilogy all the way back when he was writing Empire Strikes Back. Maybe there isn't any meaning behind the name "Vader". In the novelization, they say it just means "him"... Which is what a name does, isn't it?
I don't know. "Darth Vader" sounds cool and that's probably why Lucas initially decided to go with it back when he still made movies that he wanted to make instead of movies he thinks we want to see (Strange Magic, anyone?)
Jethro Smith Common misconception that Lucas had all this dreamed up during the OT. He made that shit up as he went along. He even has a quote somewhere along lines of "Make them think you have it all planned" or something. The only thing he planned ahead for in the prequels was that Vader gets messed up in lava. That's it. The Trade Federation didn't exist, the clones were the enemies of the Clone War (at least, in the notes he gave to Timothy Zahn) and Yoda taught Obi-Wan.
Killmachine91 Where's your source? I wanna read this for myself.
As I hear it, he didn't flesh out the story of the prequel trilogy itself, but he definitely wanted to explore Vader's past. After all, why would he hint at it so heavily in Empire if he wasn't going to do anything with it?
Ikrani I believe he said it to J.J. Abrams after "Lost" finished. Let's hope Abrams ignored his advice.
***** hi
Damn. Looking back at Jeremy’s enthusiasm after watching his Rise of Skywalker review is sad. Sure he’s critical, but something about him seems waaay less jaded in this review. I hope Star Wars can return to it’s pedestal of awe for Jeremy and many other fans someday.
Disney has a way with killing enthusiasm these days.
Anakin did kill a jedi master = Count Dooku
Jesse Belly Good point.
colebowlin68 That's true
+colebowlin68 Obi Wan.
colebowlin68 All those Jedi he killed when raiding the Jedi temple. He didn't just kill younglings. He killed Masters, Knights, and Padawans. The youngling scene was just there to show how far gone he truly was.
colebowlin68 He went into the Jedi temple to kill Jedi. There is no reason to believe he only killed younglings while leaving the Jedi masters to the clones.
Used to love the Prequels as a kid, disliked them in my teens and now I've watched them again I actually quite like them again as a whole. The first sucks but has good characters and a cool last 20 minutes, the second is good but has a terrible love aspect and rots is just awesome with a few bad aspects here and there
Abe S agreed with everything you said. Though I still liked the prequels, even as a teen lol
Jimmy Rose- I went through a kind of edgy stage with the prequels where I jumped on the hate bandwagon for them even though I hadn't watched them in ages and only saw footage from vids that called them terrible. I gave them another shot before TFA and realised I still loved them despite their flaws lol
Andrew Abdel I have no problem with the idea of the romance and, unlike for some, I still find it watchable but its a little too cheesy and wooden in how its presented that I didn't really feel that they fell in love except for the film saying thats what I should be witnessing. So nice idea, iffy execution is my opinion on it. Nothing wrong with liking it though
Yeah i used to like ep 1 but as i watched it again its really boring. Its kinda like rogue one where its mostly character driven but still boring, and the third act is super exciting and really makes up the movie.
My favorite is still Empire Strikes Back. It's the best in original trilogy and is the best Star Wars movie in the series. It's also one the greatest movies of all time
Kunisake I guess, but then we needed ROTJ which 2 me was pretty awful. It was ok but to me if should have been better than Empire, how did they drop that ball?
Shut up it not
@@mikesolemene5750 It's only half a movie. Jabbas Palace is an original scene. The Death Star run is just a repeat of Episode IV...unless u love Ewoks n the Moon of Endor...
Luke: "Well, did'ja try? Did'ja try to bring him back to the good side?"
Obi-Wan: "Well... no. W- shut up. You're not a Jedi yet, okay, you can't lecture me."
Loved that bit xD .
Jeremy, you are absolutely spot on about the part with obi wan going to kill Anakin and how Lucas missed the point of what it is to be a Jedi knight.
I don't think even redlettermedia ever brought this point up.
+elcap22 I love Jeremy's reviews, but I think you're both missing the point. The Jedi during the time of the Republic were pompous, self-righteous hypocrites. That's the whole point of why they fell and the dark side won! Every time Jeremy said "fail", I said "yes! Exactly! That's the point!" Yoda failed, Obi-Wan failed, they all failed and the Jedi became no more--nearly. Yoda himself even says this and exiles himself as a result to, I guess, "re-learn" the force on Dagoba, which is why he's even wiser and more bad-ass in the original trilogy. Obi-Wan as well.
+neozen01 finally someone who understands. A round of applause for you good sir
neozen01 If thats the case then shouldn't Obi Wan and Yoda have been hypocritical and immoral jedis in the original movies? No, they weren't, they were as wise and peaceful as a jedi should be so they would've been in the prequels.
I think that's just your interpretation of the premise established in A New Hope.
Obi Wan told luke "for over a thousand generations the jedi knights were the guardians of peace and justice of the old republic... before the dark times, before the empire."
Obi Wan meant that when the dark times happened, hence the clone wars, the jedi knights were forced to use their powers to fight in a war, rather than preserve the peace, in other words desperate times calls for desperate measures. But history shown that even peaceful religious folk like Buddhists have become samurai warriors and killed people in self defence, its the same thing with the jedi knights.
Also when obi wan mentioned the empire he meant the jedi were considered enemies and hunted down by the empire, kinda like how the Nazis hunted down Jews during the second world war.
In return of the jedi vader told luke "Obi Wan once thought as you do," and it is assumed in episode 3, Obi wan believed that Anakin was still good and could be saved and most likely went off to find Anakin the way luke went to confront Vader in hopes of getting him back to the good side.
We didn't see that in episode 3, as Jeremy explained.
+elcap22 First, I already said that they were wiser in the original trilogy after exiling themselves as a result of their failure. Yoda even mentions this towards the end of episode 3 as his intention. Now, I haven't seen any of the star wars films in years (and have recently been waiting to do a complete marathon before the release of 7), but wasn't there a dialogue in episode 6 where luke says "but I can't kill my own father", to which obi-wan responds "then the emperor has already won". This implies to me that it was still their intention that vader must die, which is more or less consistent with the prequels. Never once do I remember them (obi-wan or yoda) counselling luke about having compassion for vader (in fact they seemed to caution him about this, as tho his feelings for his father would be his downfall).
neozen01 no, I think obi wan wanted luke to kill vader if he had to, like in self defence.
I think in order for Luke to become a jedi, he had to face Vader again and also face his own personal demons and ultimately overcome them in order to become a Jedi and defeat the dark side, that's what obi wan wanted luke to do.
I think killing in self defence is rational. Just cause the jedi were guardians if peace and justice doesn't mean they cant fight or kill in self defence.
In episode IV, Obi Wan amputated a thug in a bar in self defence and showed no remorse.
The Jedi aren't pacifists, ya know.
Grievious was AWESOME in the orignal Clone Wars cartoon. It sucks that he was such a push-over in this movie. If he was anything like the original Grievious, he would have kicked Obi-Wan's ass faster than you could say "may the force be with you". I also think his voice in the original cartoon was better. It sounded calm and relaxed, but in the movie, he sounded like he was growling the entire time.
My only explanation for that part is that Mace did crush his chest so maybe that played into why he was such a push over. But then again it is George Lucas
AstroManX100 Oh hell yea, I love the 2D Clone Wars Grevious. Such a badass, he managed to beat several jedi masters at once...
Bit of a shame he lost to Gungans in the 3D series...
***** Why the bloody hell would grievous be able to do anything like that? That was the problem with the cartoon. It was way, way over the top ALL the time. Clone Wars gave him a better and more realistic portrayal.
Pasan Etternavn
You prefer him losing to gungans?
*****
Lucas: Hey, remember that tie-in series you made to conincide with Episode 3? Make that non-canon. It was stupid.
Awesome review Jeremy! Your Yoda impression cracks me up and you bring up a ton of great points. Though didn't we see Anakin fight some Jedi masters when Obi-Wan and Yoda are looking at the hologram thing? I could be wrong.
I think he killed the younglings but in the comics he killed an army of Jedi masters plus he fought obi wan to a basic standstill.
Hello there.
I think you're right but it looked more like a cowardly "kill them while they're sleeping" type thing. Granted, the Jedi weren't sleeping but it wasn't a battle. In the EU though (now non canon) they establish that Anakin fought a Jedi named Cin Drallig who's apparently the greatest swordsman of the Jedi and while Anakin was fighting him he was strangling his padawan at the same time. So Anakin, one handed killed the best swordsman and strangled his padawan too. But of course it's not in the movies.
The Unusual Suspect Are you going to do one of your reviews on this
Cool, a reviewer watching another reviewer's review. Sweet.
When you think about it, it makes sense that palpatine would have a different “enforcer” each movie. He was in search of a much more powerful apprentice and that obviously happened to be anakin.
Not to mention sidious was controlling both sides of the war, so it makes sense why he would have different people of power on his side at once and they all don’t even know they’re working for the same master (except probably dooku)
I'm not gonna say Daredevil, but.. Daredevil.
It's so good!
YES! Jeremy, do it! :D
Hand to hand combat is better than Arrow tv show
Ben Dover drama is also better than Arrow. (Its on the CW, sigh)
***** I would say everything is amazing about Dare Devil but the Dare Devil costume. The helmet looks goofy as hell. I just couldn't take him seriously with that helmet on. He had to be blind to think that was a good look.
16 minutes!!!! Whoa never seen a video review by jeremy that's this long.
He reviews Lord of the rings: return of the king with a video time of 18:20 seconds. That's his longest video.
Scott Wright He's very passionate about Return of The King and it shows so the 18 minutes just fly by. One of Jeremy's best reviews.
Bat Bapeck "Star Wars, nothing but Star WARRRS! Give me those STAR WARS! Don't let them ennnnnd."
Bat Bapeck LOTR: Return of the king is 18 minutes
Andrew Johnson
I know. I've been told.
"The final Star Wars movie!" If only you knew, Jeremy from 5 years ago... If only you knew.
Oof
All that innocence in his eyes... lost.
He said the final movie before December which was the time the force awakens came out
He didn't know he had to witness the abiminations The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker were
@@joshuahancock7125 Yup… So hopeful, excited for what the future holds… If only he knew…
Like it or not, it's the last star wars live action we'll get that was pure, creative story telling. ❤️❤️❤️
Favorite film: Return of the Jedi:
Favorite novel: Darth Plagueis
Favorite comic: Omnibus Clone Wars volume 3, mainly the stories revolving Anakin and Obi-wan together
Favorite game: Battlefront 2
You must like Star Wars. Me too. My favorite games are Battlefront (I love all of them) and KOTOR. And my favorite films were Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. 😊
MarsMac'n Gaming You bet I like Star Wars. And it's cool to see we have some ideas in common.
How do you feel about how George chose to include ewoks instead of Wookies..
I respect your decision just wanna know, also check out republic commando, one of my favorites
Roland Rice I would rather have Wookiees than Ewoks, but I'm not mad Ewoks exist.
Personally I like all the Prequel movies. Just sayin'.
Me, as well.
blob blob For as stupid as 1 and 2 are they actually do have some quality good stuff in them.
Same here
They suck
+blob blob Same here.
Palpatine actually did use the dark side when he jumped at them. That scream you hear is a force shout that threw all but mace off balance
Oh and Vader did have to kill some Jedi masters when he raided the temple. You don't think all of the teachers and masters were gone?
Myles Johnson Yes, but it was off camera. We wanted to see that.
Ian Barefoot Ehhhh. We already got people bitching about the action we did get. More would take away from the story and make it a man of steel esque slug fest
Myles Johnson Simple solution. Cut the final duel in half. I was far too long and drawn out with unecessary crap like balancing on droids and climbing fallen bridges to the point where it loses a lot of potency. Use that time showing Vader fighting in his suit and possibly hearing him talk a bit more. I too was amazed how such an epic fight in MoS became so mind-numbing, I just wanted it to be over.
Ian Barefoot I just think in mos the world engine scene should have just been him struggling to breath and fighting the world engines gravity with voice over of pa Kent mentioning how whatever man he chooses to be is gonna change the world. That would have run in parallel with how his real fathers voice over helped him to discover his true power his earth father essentially would have been what steered him towards his purpose. Vader is his suit is a noooooooo. But the last fight was drawn out just a little bit too long.
"...for the final star wars movie to exist"
Me: cries in sequel trilogy
The poor guy doesn’t know how the sequel will kill our feelings of Star Wars
@@viksaggu9085 The new Disney crap is not Star Wars
František Fojt it’s fanfiction
@@Wade_Fucking_Wilson bad fanfiction, the action is pulled out of children's tale
You know I have the filling that if I search for a fanfiction that was written before the Disney trilogy it would be more entertaining and starwarish then the new trilogy.
I know this isn't a popular opinion... But
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. New Hope
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Phantom Menace (just cuz Maul)
6. Attack of the Clones
Same
Agreed. Well, Revenge of the Sith and Star Wars (or call it a New Hope) is equal.
actually the same (exept with phantom menace and attack of the clones)
+Spineshot25 I like Revenge better than New Hope too, actually some critics (back when RotS came out) called it better than the original Star Wars, although for me maybe New Hope is a better movie. I do enjoy Sith more than Return of the Jedi though.
That's a pretty solid list. Don't see why people are so nitpicky and don't want to face the fact Sith is better than at least Jedi
"Wait what did you say....about Mein Kampf?"
+DeckThe Lols "It's like poetry, it rhymes"
Kevin N "It's so dense"
Fuck you Rick Berman, you ruined this too? Stop ruining eve- wait a minute, that's not Rick Berman.
What is it with Ricks?
You know, there's only one thing dense here. And it ain't the frame... [stares at Lucas]
Jeremy: Anakin's turn to the dark side is the most sudden shift.....
GoT writers: Challenge accepted!
Underrated comment
I bought Anakin’s turn to evil. I did not buy Khaleesi’s turn out of the blue. Nobody did.
The prequels set up Anakin’s turn over the course of Episode 2 and most of Episode 3. GoT had 100 hours and no set up to the queen’s turn in the second to last episode. Baffling.
Lmsooo
@@drewwhitney7327 TLOU 2:
@@drewwhitney7327 Nah I think the Clone Wars did add that much better because of Ashoka. And granted yeah, Anakin lost a lot ik the prequels and has been through much. But it was Ashoka's leaving AND the Jedi poorly handling it was just somewhat their domino to Anakin's fall and Padme was just the final one.
Little did Jeremy know what Star Wars would turn into
From my point of view, The Force Awakens is evil!
jg bubba Then you are lost I will do what I must.
It's too derivative of a new hope.
I think it more as a homage. It also brings Star Wars to a new generation
Mark D'Asaro There's a point where homage reaches copying. I'm not saying TFA was a total ripoff, but i'll be damned if it didn't feel like it at times.
Watch the original A New Hope then watch it you realize that it's pays homage it doesn't rip off little things moment in the movie it only copies the big plot points and even then it does do things the original did not.
Coming back here after the end of the sequel trilogy
How do you feel? At the end of it all?
Young fool, only now, at the end, do you understand.
@@jacookie9707 I liked episode 7 a lot. Then the last jedi happened and i was hurt a lot. The rise of "palpatine" just finished me off.
Jan Vařeka yeah I agree I think 7 is still really good but the last Jedi is absolutely awful rise of skywalker was entertaining but the direction they took with the story was not good at all
@@janvareka4838 episode 7 was a new hope ripoff
i think star wars the return of the king is the best
Fellowship of the Force and The Two Death Stars are also good too.
nah stars wars raiders of the lost ark was definitely the best
***** Nah, Grown Ups 2 is the best one from the whole franchise!
My favorite part is when Luke, Lea and Han have to destory the 7 horcroxus.
Dafuq is wrong with u people?
Clone Wars' Anakin is the true Anakin
2003 or 2008 version?
Order I would have done: Episide I: Attack of the Clones
Episode II: clone wars
Episide III: revenge of the Sith
@@omegaink5635 2008
vik saggu yeah I agree we didn’t need to see young Anakin and it would’ve been cool to see the clone wars.
@@cosmiccow4960 well they did show us the clone wars remember the first clone wars cartoon released between AOTC and ROTS
1. Empire Srikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. Attack of the Clones
6. Phantom Menace
1.Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3.Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi
5. The clone wars
6. Phantom menace
jack pace You forgot Attack of the Clones. Or are you pretending that one doesn't happen
Morgan Stephens I think he got attack of the clones and clone wars mixed up.
whoops my bad. lets just pretend it never happened and it will make us all feel better Morgan Stephens *****
jack pace So you do prefer Phantom Menace over that cause you at least accept that as happening
Episode 3: Revenge of The Sith is an incredibly good movie. It has so many emotionally devastating scenes, epic action sequences and a phenomenal soundtrack. It gets an 9/10 from me
TheWay BEST lol maybe like a 5 will suffice
For you. It's a 9 for me
TheWay BEST you're fucking delusional lmfao
HybridGames it's good but not the best
I hope we get the privilege of an Anthology film about Anakin and his Padawan, Ahsoka Tano. It would be truly fantastic to see Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor reprise their legendary roles in the Star Wars universe
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" IS an absolute.
That is the dumbest thing who said that yoga. First of all you have a code stricter than the commandments and have to follow it at all cost all your life regardless of the situation otherwise You gee thrown out that is a bloody absolute thing. Jedi are not flexible do or do not there is no try jeeeez yoda give us a break when you expect such high standards and when it fails you instead of encouraging them You diss them no wonder the Jedi order went extinct. Sith and Jedi are both Wrong it is arm twisting the force users to only believe one such way and for people who have almost magic powers there I said it force Equal magic without incantation it is a lot of pressure on their psyche. We need a new Jedi code.
+Ed O'Meara And he said that the sith see everything black and white, but the jedi also see everything black and white.
Fear, passion, love or even hatred dont necesarilly lead you to the dark side. You just need to learn discipline and control of your emotions
the funny thing is episode 5 was the most beloved star wars and it's the one where George Lucas had the least control over
Yep it all makes sense now
Gavin Beard he still wrote the story
Gavin Beard seems legit
I like rotj the most
The thing is though, he is great at STORY. And IDEAS of characters. Not writing dialogue, not directing, IDEAS. He should have stayed in charge of IDEAS only.
I KIND OF understand the gripe that they feel as thought they're in different worlds... but I'd argue that that was on purpose. Everything changed when order 66 happened. the prequels were the golden days of old or whatever, whereas the original trilogy takes place in a society that's crippled and under tyranny.
before the dark times.... before the empire....
Could'veBeenBetterProductions a more civilized age ;)
My best friend prefers the prequals over the sequals and,and,and I was like "no...get a new best friend"
Gresh854 That just makes you a terrible friend for not respecting your friend's opinion.
Kyle Phantom He has every right to get a new best friend. Something is wrong with the old one
Kyle Phantom You have no sense of sarcasm or humor it seems
The Arkham Knight Well its not really something to "joke" about.
Matt Lewis WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO GET AT?
He did kill Cin drallig and another jedi while choking with his other hand effortlessly i might add another jedi in the holo recording. But yes... i always wanted to see the temple raid.
I do wish we got to see more of the raid on the temple
Obiwan literally lit his saber in the first movie in the cantina on tantooine...Jeremy...
"How many Jedi Masters did Vader kill"
Umm Obi-Wan anyone? I also feel like alot of these points were nitpicks. I mean, with the villains thing. I'll grant you that Darth Maul should've survived but htere is nothing wrong with having multiple villains. Even the orig. trig. had multiple villains (Boba Fett, The Emperor, Vader, Tarkin, Jabba, etc. Also, Obi-Wan DID try to bring Anakin back to the light side but he knew he had to be ready to kill him for the good of the galaxy. Also, sometimes, you have to draw your lightsaber first. By your logic, Han shouldn't have shot first. This was a good movie. Heck, I'd even say its original trilogy good.
I would say your extremely wrong.. The original trilogy had one constant protagonist. Vader. They threw other problems in there but throughout Vader is always there.. It's not even close to the original trilogy. It's terrible. Almost as bad as attack of the clones.. The acting is horrendous. The cg is still terrible and over used.. And the film is just too long.. There is no suspense, the action is dull and way over choreographed, the character relationships are lifeless, and the film generally fails on every level..
And with obi wan ready to kill anakin it makes the Jedi look like a bunch of power hungry douchebags with lout a moral compass.. They Jedi always use diplomacy first than in a last resort fight if they have to... The movie doesn't know what it's doing the plot is terrible. They turned Vader into a scorned lover not a methodical bad ass.. He murders kids with no hesitation.. Bad movie terrible Star Wars movie. All the prequels suck
I think the point being made was that it doesn't feel fitting to have a Jedi make the first move. Sometimes a fight will be unavoidable, but it's unwise to encourage conflict. Han Solo is a smuggler, not a warrior-philosopher, shooting first would be fitting for him.
spenceII Jedi made the first move plenty of times in the OT. His whole thing about Luke doing it because he was acting the way a Jedi should is purely HIS interpretation. Sometimes Jedi have to draw first.
+KingLink95 i know this a old post but i have to say something about the han shouldn't have shot first part first of all han is not a jedi hes not a good guy at the start of the first movie thats why he shot first so the movie can show you that. these small details are why the originals where so much better every action someone made meant something
Why didn't Obi-Wan and Yoda both go to kill Palpetine? They shouldn't have split up.
Raver Reviews Probably didn't feel Obi-Wan was a match and if he dragged Yoda down it could have cost them. Or perhaps it would have simply been too difficult for them both to get close enough to fight him. Or perhaps it was just Yoda's overconfidence that he could handle it and didn't need the help.
Raver Reviews Anakin needed to be stopped too?
Raver Reviews Because the writers chose for them to split up for some reason
Raver Reviews Because plot... which is why it was stupid.
Raver Reviews Because the writer needed someone to get Padme to deliver her children....
Episode 3 will always be my favorite
Ugh.
Ron Swanson same
Pretty sure Ron Swanson would be more of a Rogue One kinda guy
Revenge of the Sith is a live action CloneWars episode, ahh, the memories of childhood.
A little gripe I have to say about why Obi Wan was sent after Grievous because he was the master of the defensive form Soresu. In the novel it's stated Grievous could strike about 20 times a second and only a Soresu master of Obi Wans caliber could face him and full speed
"Not a master - *the* master"
Love the novelization :)
Isn't "Only a Sith deals in absolute" an absolute in itself?
That's been bothering me for 10 years...
its all about context
+Craig Games It's all about plot holes.
+Agahnim01 Yeah, I get that Obi-Wan is referring to Anakin's, "you're with me or against me" mentality. But it does sound pretty awkward.
+Local Jinchūriki palpatine's monologue when he confesses to anakin he's a sith doesn't have great quotable lines, but it drives better the idea that the idea of the "sides" is kinda pointless. and as far as i'm aware, it kinda goes against the buddhist wisdom that inspired the jedi, because it's more about accepting the world and oneself's flaws and dealing with them, rather than avoiding and repressing them completely. again, *as far as i'm aware*.
but it's understandable that, for the sake of the movies, lucas had this opposition between how the jedi and the sith interpretate the force. it still felt "too easy" that he made the jedi being like priests and nuns.
jp mesquita But the Force is a mixture of the major world religion's already. The chaste fighting monk/knight is seen in both Christianity and Buddhism historically speaking. I just felt it odd he attached them to the Senate because they are really ineffective because of such which makes me tend to side with the Sith more. They see a problem, they fix it, rather than waiting on corrupt politicians to decide. That said it makes Lucas look clever if they have Luke going opposite all that and marrying as like the Jedi version of the protestant reformation.
The only good thing in the prequels was Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan IMO.
And Liam Neeson.
+Galahad I agree
+Galahad
THE SCORE AND DARTH MAUL ALSO. John Williams score never disappoints! It was probably a good thing Darth Maul wasnt in the films much, so Lucas didnt have a chance to ruin him.
***** I thought I was the only one who liked Jango Fett as much as Boba.
The Film Effect Yes but John Williams wasn't in the prequels exclusively, Ewan McGregor was. Get me?
Episode 3 and Episode 5 are my favorite of the Star Wars Saga
This film had the best action sequences. And a really good score.
13:08 It's interesting watching reviewers miss the fact that the jedi code and its rejection of personal attatchment is supposed to be fucked up within the context of the story. As is the jedi's general hubris and hypocrisy.
He's called Darth Vader because Vader is Dutch for father. No, really that's george lucas' reason.
The plot twist was really ruined for them...
lol that's rather silly, considering that it's spelled "vater", and is pronounced with an F, as in "farter". So he should had been called Lord Farter.
ThisIsMyFullName Vader is dutch for father. Source: I'm Dutch.
MrThedorkknight lmao @ pitch perfect getting it wrong tho and saying it's the german word for father, like nah, seriously, it's dutch. a simple google search could've fixed that
Celine H Yes Im german and in german it would be Vater.
I liked episode 3 more than The Force Awakens.
Coltallic yyes...
Coltallic you're both idiots.
TheOminousOne awh why thank you...
Coltallic No way
TheOminousOne Yeah, cause a New Hope rip off is soooo much better than Episode 3, even with the Order 66 scene, Anakins turn to the darkside and one of the best lightsaber fights ever.
I like the Star Wars prequels and I would say that Revenge of the Sith is my favourite Star Wars film.
i dont mind obi wan going to kill Anakin. Jedi were warriors like Samurai, they weren't afraid of doing what was necessary. Luke Skywalker was still feircely optimistic and hadnt lost his innocence. Thats why he couldnt be turned. Luke's belief in redeeming Vader is what makes him different as a jedi and a character
It actually is Dark Side corruption. When the lightning rebounded it dissolved Palpatine's Sith Mask, which he used to look long and not all pruney.
Jedi Master Cody starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Roleplaying_Game
How tf is Anakin’s turn sudden? He grew up as a slave boy, and is forced to leave his mother behind to train because of this big responsibility of being the chosen one. He then finds his mother dead after he finally sees her again and even falls in love, still having to fulfill expectations and maintain responsibilities he wasn’t ready for or trained well to do. He goes through all of this all to be told to not show emotion at all, one of the biggest flaws of the Jedi. He grew up as a slave and was a slave to an order that distrusted him and didn’t even like him. You don’t need to have watched CW or know that much about SW to understand this so when u think about it, Anakin’s turn was not sudden at all. I would also like to add that Vader means father in Dutch so I guess that’s why Palps names Anakin Vader, cuz he found out Anakin was gonna be a father, so dark father, ehh.
I guess hsi romance with Padme in the films was just unbearable to the point that even Clone Wars tried to salvage it. And Ashoka being a missing element of the prequels overall.
Concerning your Love/Sex thing at 13:30, fun thing, they address that in Starwars KOTOR with the most badass Jolee Bindo.
"Love doesn't lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled... but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love... that's what they should teach you to beware. But love itself will save you... not condemn you."
Frday101 Also: Favorite star wars is above-mentioned Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic. So much goodygoodness
the jedi are flawed in the prequel era which is why they fell
On the topic of Anakin's turn and his slaughters...
sometimes that's how it happens in real life. Sometimes you have to make a tough call and you choose wrong. Not to mention there's been 3 movies of Palpatine whispering lies into Anakin's ear about trusting the dark side, so Anakin was torn and didn't know what to do. In the heat of the moment his fear took over and he wanted Palpatine to try saving Padme. And after making such a fatal mistake of killing Windu he didn't know where else to turn but follow Palpatine.
Even then, you can tell he's in conflict cuz he's crying on Mustafar after he slays the Trade Fedaration guys.
And he did start his massacres by killing the younglings, but along with the Fedaration you can see on Yoda and Obi Wan's hologram camera footage that Anakin was actually killing adult Jedi. it's easy to overlook, but i assumed he slaughtered more of the Jedi than just children.
Also, Obi Wan didn't want to kill Anakin either! They had a whole argument before Obi Wan lit his saber, which he only did because he sensed Anakin was about to attack him first. Obi Wan struck in pre-emptive defense. He didn't want to slaughter him on the spot.
And assumably, yes, the Jedi forbid love with sex, y'know romantic love. It's where the most irrational attatchment is created. But, perhaps if the Jedi allowed such a thing, Anakin wouldn't have felt he needed to turn to the dark side. Who knows!
Jeremy, I've been a fan for years. I doubt you'll be able to see this because you're a busy guy but This is probably my favorite video of yours. I whole heartedly disagree with everything you have said about the prequels. Because I love the prequels. But I love to hear your opinions and you make a lot of interesting points. And I love your analysis of the fight scenes. But yeah this was a perfect video.
Do a top 10 directors movies. eg top 10 Nolan, Fincher, Spielberg
You forgot Quentin Tarantino
Zac Fernandez thats why he said e.g. as in "for example"
David Fincher is probably my favorite director i think
patrick sanderson Musker and Clements. Hands down.
Each director has a different style so itd be hard to decide a fav. Depends on my mood I spose
I actually feel Darth vader yelling No was neccessary. Without it how would I know he was sad. U see lucas is a good writer
+Exavair12 He repeatedly mentioned that he would be nothing without Padme, him destroying the whole room shouldve been enough indication.
Or were you sarcastic?
platfish I'm joking I just think its funny
Exavair12 y i already expected that haha
I know your joking but there are soooo many good examples how to show feeling under a mask. finn at force awakens is the best example currently.
+Exavair12 the movie would've been so badass if it cut when his masks gets put on and starts breathing. - an alternate would to scream "noooo" as he's wrecklessly fucking up the room
The first two prequals
are meh to me but I quite enjoy episode 3, it is on the level of Return of the Jedi for me, minus the last 15 min of rotj (which is my favorite
15 min of star wars :) )
People always say Ewoks but in realty I think it is the second best
I love this film. Underrated and one of the best SW films overall. Best portrayal of Obi-Wan too.
Its a below average movie lol
@@apmfer if you believe Revenge of the Sith to be a “below-average movie”, then you ought to watch more films.
Anakin should not have been in The Phantom Menace, other than as a minor background character who was "adopted" by Obi-Wan after being saved from an attack by Darth Maul. Maybe have Anakin as an orphan from Tatooine who was freed by Amidala.
The protagonist, instead, should've been Obi-Wan himself, as an adventurous, enthusiastic, up and coming Jedi Knight who was more down to earth than his older and wiser mentor in Qui-Gon. Think Luke as a Jedi, but less angry, and more interested in expressing his emotions rather than repressing them like Qui-Gon, who would caution control for both good and ill at various points in the story.
Obi-Wan would've bonded with Anakin after saving him from Maul, seeing this bright new star as great potential for training, but Qui-Gon would've vetoed it because "You must mature yourself before going to mature others." That way, Qui-Gon's death would've paved the way for a poorly trained Anakin, since Obi-Wan would have lacked the experience found in his former mentor.
Darth Maul could've been a foil to Obi-Wan - a Dark Side fanboy who trained in the ways of the ancient Sith lords and sought to become the new Dark Lord (to contrast Obi-Wan's free-wheeling), with Sidious being supportive (contrast Qui-Gon's opposition), but not accepting since he either doesn't think Maul is powerful/proven enough or because he fears Maul's ambitions. Maul would've been a window towards world building in the Dark Side; this is what the Sith believe (do not repress your emotions), this is what they used to represent and embody (freedom, essentially), this is how the Sith are now (freedom for themselves more than anything), and this is what I want as a Sith (to harken back to old Sith lore). Maul's shtick in Phantom Menace should've been as a giant hammer, to contrast Sidious' careful planning and politicking. Maul would've attacked Anakin because he hated the slave boy's "defeatism," or something.
Dooku was a Jedi master who felt disillusioned with the Republic and the Jedi Order - that much is already canon. I don't think he should've been associated with Sidious at all, because Dooku was always more interesting as a harsh, stern, yet idealistic politician who wanted change in the galaxy (like in Clone Wars) rather than as a straight up villain who villain'd because villainy. Dooku could've been more like Jolee Bindo, where he saw the value in both Light and Dark Side, and asked questions about the fundamental nature of the Force and how it should be studied, felt, and experienced.
Sidious advancing himself politically could've been done so much better, too. Have him as a Senator taking advantage of a crisis to get himself elected Chancellor, rather than manufacturing a crisis (the Trade Federation isn't exactly smart to trust a shadowy hooded figure 24/7). Said crisis should not have been about taxes IN SPACE, conducted by a really dumb corporate group who had nothing to gain and everything to lose from invading a peaceful planet to sign a treaty that was never explained or signed even after the invasion.
The crisis could've been traced all the way back to Supreme Chancellor Valorum. First scene of the movie should've been a shot of Valorum's old, worn-out cruiser hovering over Naboo (with Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan as bodyguards and Dooku as a mediator). The Naboo frigate is small and regal, but unarmed, while Czerka Arms' cruiser is larger, more high-tech, and newer-looking. This shot symbolizes the decay of the Republic as the "past," the "future" in Czerka (including the implication that corporations are better at governing than governments), the unchecked power of special interests within the Republic, and the vulnerable systems within the Republic susceptible to such special interests. No, we are not talking about trade routes or space taxes, so they will not be the Trade Federation here; Czerka, I think, perfectly captures what it means to have a corporation in charge of a planet, and since they are manufacturers in weapons, industry, and droids, I think they fit the bill much more than Viceroy Gunray.
In the bridge would be Valorum with Kenobi and Jinn as bodyguards and Dooku as a mediator. Queen Amidala would be arguing with Czerka over their "protection racket," where they offer to send their droids as security to buildings, cities, regions, celebrities, lawmakers, aristocrats, even whole continents or planets, in exchange for slowly leasing their clients' sovereignty over to Czerka. They have the backing of the Trade Federation, led by Viceroy Nute Gunray, who wants to deregulate the Republic's ability to police groups like Czerka (who help produce/enhance their droid armies), starting with their ability to "trade" security for a price (and actual economic trade, which Czerka uses to financially influence other planets that don't want their security).
Naboo is Czerka's next target, but Amidala refuses to cede control, while Czerka says their droids are more efficient at security than organics. Why would Naboo want Czerka's "help"? Well, to make things interesting, I'd have someone show a hologram of Amidala and Boss Nassa being attacked by a beast while trying to negotiate with the Gungans; Naboo is plagued by beast attacks that many think are being coordinated by the Gungans, while the Gungans say the Naboo are responsible. War is on the horizon despite the Queen's best efforts and the palace guards are not able to hold off the beasts for much longer. Dooku wants the Republic to send their army to fight off the beasts instead of Czerka, because Naboo is part of the Republic whereas Czerka is just a mega corp.
Amidala, since she clearly is willing to resort to violence despite being "peaceful," gets close to attacking Czerka and Gunray, leading to Obi-Wan drawing his saber to keep things calm; Qui-Gon would hold him back and diffuse the situation by differing to Valorum. THIS is the treaty that would've been so important to Gunray, as Valorum would've allowed Czerka to control Naboo by guilt-tripping Amidala to sign the treaty due to the unrest.
This gives full control over Naboo to Czerka; Dooku's disillusionment was partly born from the takeover of Naboo by Czerka under the Republic's watch. Obi-Wan is scolded by Qui-Gon to never draw his blade first when he could've calmed things down like his mentor did. Dooku, himself Qui-Gon's former master, becomes an outspoken voice for change in the Republic, while Palpatine (a Senator from Naboo) presents himself as a "change from within" candidate as a contrast to Dooku's "it must be changed from the outside" rhetoric. Qui-Gon is concerned over the seemingly random, yet suspiciously specific attacks by the beasts, and decides to descend to Naboo (to "oversee" the Czerka takeover) after the treaty is signed. Czerka deploys their droids from the cruiser above the planet; they are attacked by Gungan raiders near Otho Gunga.
Obi-Wan, being the adventurer, is enthusiastic about the unrest and is eager to utilize "aggressive negotiations," while Qui-Gon cautions control; being a Jedi may be boring, but it's better than being needlessly violent. As Czerka's droids approach the palace, it is discovered that the palace is under attack by Gungans. Amid the turmoil, Obi-Wan discovers that Darth Maul, using ancient Sith powers, was the one who sent the beasts to attack Amidala and Boss Nassa. Anakin is nearly killed along with Amidala by Maul. A duel is ignited that Obi-Wan loses and needs assistance from Qui-Gon (who uses the Force rather than the saber).
Maul escapes, while Obi-Wan gives chase, but Qui-Gon would rather inform the Jedi Council over what happened first. Senator Palpatine suggests the Jedi take Amidala back to her frigate for refuge in Coruscant. Czerka decides to attack Otho Gunga, in addition to leeching all sovereignty from Naboo to themselves "for national security." Naboo gets its workers, businesses, and lawmakers replaced by droids, and Dooku plants the seeds of separatism within the Republic. Senator Palpatine convinces Amidala to move for a vote of no confidence to Valorum due to the debacle with Czerka, Palpatine wins the election, and the creation of a new army is made to counter the increasing secessionist movement within the Republic.
When Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are sent back to Naboo to restore order, under Palpatine's orders, Czerka conducts an invasion against the Gungans' underwater city. Obi-Wan convinces Palpatine to sanction the Czerka director in Naboo for illegally attacking a society that was not involved in the beast attacks. The rest of Czerka is forced to disavow the Naboo contingent while Palpatine sends a task force against the director in Naboo. With Maul killing Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan killing Maul, Czerka is pushed out of the planet, freeing Naboo, but at the cost of many lives. Obi-Wan takes Anakin under his tutelage while Dooku formally establishes a separatist alliance against the Republic. Of course, Czerka plays both sides by maintaining their protection racket while supplying schematics to the separatists' droid armies.
Grievous was created as a way to foreshadow Anakin's fall, as a broken man turned cyborg Jedi killer. I would've had Grievous as a Kaleesh warlord who nearly died at the hands of the Jedi, and was reconstructed as a cyborg by Czerka. They wanted him to be their top enforcer, as a symbol of "innovation" and advancement in military hardware, but he defected, and goes about assassinating Jedi throughout the galaxy. He is recruited by Dooku, who pitied his plight, and trained him in the ways of swordsmanship. While Dooku is the official head of state for the Separatist Alliance, Grievous is the supreme commander and top hatchet man - the "Vader" that the prequel trilogy sorely needed.
The protag of PM is Qui-Gon Jinn. Had He lived things would have turn out much different.
Anthony Serocco Impressive fan fiction writing that incorporates the Expanded Universe
Anthony Serocco anakin should have been in TPM, but not as a child, rather a regular young jedi, albeit a strong one. this trilogy should have been a character study, but lucas isn't capable of any in-depth characters which is why he sticks to ensembles.
pretty much every single thing in the PT should have been flipped 180 degrees.
The whole prequel trilogy is about Anakin's rise to Vader! It's not about Obi-Wan! They NEEDED Anakin in that horrible movie.
King Morganite it needed a competent screenwriter and director. these movies (and others) puts his competence into question ~ was lucas just a lucky bum? was he just out of practice? did his ego get in his way? are his methods and stories just out of time and place?
I find it rather funny that no one says anything about the fact that the name Sith was never used until the prequels. the original trilogy never mentions the word sith even once!
Why?
+Rusty Blade probably because there were no more Jedi around, that would leave the emperor now in total control of the galaxy and therefor no need to keep the sith around and dispanded them.
Because George Lucas didn't think of sith until 1995
Thats what I thought to!
+Rusty Blade The Sith were mentioned in the Marvel comics Star Wars series of the 70s/80s. Vader frequently described himself as a "Lord of the Sith" in these stories. That phrase was also used in the children's audio cassette adapation of 'A New Hope'. So the concept of the Sith was part of the Star Wars universe even during the time of the original movies.
I agree that you shouldn't need to watch the clone wars to understand the prequels, but theclone wars is actually a fucking amazing show, it's good from season 1-2 but season 3 is better than evey single good moment in the prequels combined! It's all on netflix, do yourself a favor Jeremy and watch that show!
***** She got all pissy and left.
Nemesis A-Type For good reason though.
I gave the show a shot but thought that it was just meh. I only watched the first 6 episodes give or take, but I thought that the pacing and writing was sloppy so I gave up on it. A lot of people like it though so I might have to give it another try lol
There's two clone wars shows though - One cgi and another animated. The animated one bridges the gap of Anakin becoming a Jedi and the moments before episode 3 starts (including how Grevious got his lungs crushed)
Michael McCallister Trust me, the show gets better around late Season 2-early Season 3. It gets darker in tone and they give the characters more personality and depth. Just watch the Mortis trilogy in season 3 or the Mandalore arc in Season 5 to see what I'm talking about.
Obi wan didn't go to mustafar to kill Anakin. He went because it's important, because he loved Anakin and wanted to either help him to come to the light side, or destroy him if necessary to save the lives of others. But killing him wasn't the motive, it was a last resort, as he himself says: "then, i will do what i must"
I love the Prequel Trilogy.
you got problems. It's one thing to like, but love?
uıɐʇdɐɔ ʞɔɐɾ uıɐʇdɐɔ Your the one with problems. I do love the prequel trilogy. I just do. I grew up watching the original trilogy, then I watched the prequel trilogy & then I loved the prequel trilogy just as much as l love the original trilogy.
You can't tell what movies I love or don't love. I'll always love the prequel trilogy. So don't tell me what movies I can or can't love.
uıɐʇdɐɔ ʞɔɐɾ uıɐʇdɐɔ I love movies. So what?
Skylar Johnson amen
Than there is only one thing left to do
Ok, seriously, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE "NOOO" SCENE?! I never got what everyone's beef is with that scene?
It's incredibly cheesy and out of character. What would have been a better way to show Vader's anger and sadness would be to have him just slaughter all the medical people and go nuts. Not scream no in overly dramatic fashion.
***** Ok, I see your point. Though, I personally always saw it as "Getting Anakin/the prequels out of his system"
***** But tats just it, Star Wars was based on Lucas' love to movie serial. Big acting and big action, why do you think he uses Wilhelm screams when people fall off stuff.
Fenris30
Yeah and he can do that without ruining scenes. I respect him for creating this universe and giving ideas, but as a script writer and director he's dogshit.
Ira ProV Preach.
Me personally, I am not a huge fan of the prequel movies. I like them a little bit, but not nearly as much as the original trilogy. But I must say, Revenge of the Sith was actually pretty good. It got intense at times, and it was very sad and depressing towards the end. I would probably say Revenge of the Sith is ranked my 4th favorite Star Wars movie behind the original trilogy.
If you think that we should have seen how powerful Anakin was in killing the Jedi masters then you haven't been paying attention what the movie is about. Obviously he killed Jedi masters, he attacked the Jedi temple after all but that was not the point. The Jedi purge is not there to show how awesome Anakin is, but to show his evil and terrible deeds.