Daily Driving a Welded Differential? Should You?
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Welded differential? Good for drifting, but can you daily a 100% locked diff?
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In this video we talk about daily driving a welded diff. We are using my BMW E36 316i winterbeater as a example. I show you what you have to live with.
Hope you enjoy! If you can live with this, weld yours and have fun!
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Yup and i accidentally broke my diff
Im going to weld my diff forsure
I've had that thought some time ago, but as I don't fool around that often (also drifting on public roads is punishable by 1 year license suspension and 1500 euros fine) and I didn't want to ruin my daily, I installed an LSD. Welded diff in my experience gives the best predictability when you want to drift, but 365 days a year can be a chore, especially when there is no snow the past few winters. Ideally you would have a nice garage with a car lift so that you can have a welded and an open diff, that you can swap anytime you want.
i love that bmw
I was dailing my E30 for almost 1 month and i heard strange noises,i discovered that 4 bolts that secure the diff on the axle were loosed and diff had much play.... Except that, dailing a welded is much fun!
Dailying a welded diff can be a headache, but it’s my headache so i liked it. The steering at first at low speeds is definitely heavier.. but sideways is so much better.
When you welded your diff the first time, was there a break in period?
The inner wheel wants to turn faster when you take a corner with an open diff
I also have a compact and weld the diff, no complains, its a lot of fun to drive in rain and is very predictable, you can also do donuts very easy.
With winter tires the hopping is a lot less i also drive/drift the car daily in the winter
Except that inner wheel rotates slower
@@MadEvo606 True, i see it now in my comment :-) thanks
ive already replaced both Drive axles (snapped) Fixed one side and the other snapped the next time i was out drifting, prepare for alot of broken parts and worn bushes, if you drive in the city alot DONT do it if you live in sub urban area or the countryside why not!
I have been street drifting for like 2 years now, started with a 328i E36 with (rather worn) factory LSD, drove it for maybe 8 weeks with a welded diff and then I put back in the worn out LSD again.
Well, I only do drifting when the streets are wet to be fair but in those conditions I prefer a proper LSD by far.
I've always had cheap tyres in the rear with a rather high pressure. With the LSD I drove around the streets and just by flooring it in a turn the rear came out smoothly. That wasn't the case with the welded diff. People always think that you are going sideways all the time with a welded diff, which isn't the case. Actually my car didn't want to go sideways as easy as with the rather worn LSD. With the welded diff I always needed a clutch kick and then the rear kicked out suddenly and massively. Whilst sideways, it also was extremely sensitive, every little gas input influenced the drift angle directly which sometimes was a bit of a nervous behaviour. But it was ok as soon as it was sideways, just getting sideways was a bit sketchy and risky sometimes with stock steering angle, I spun out often in the beginning with the welded diff.
Well, the 2.8 is the second most powerful engine in the E36 and as I said I am only drifting on wet roads but in this scenario, a proper LSD gets you the best out of both worlds and I am very happy with my decision to buy a second, shorter ratio LSD and two sets of rebuild/upgrade kits for 40% lockup. Unfortunately in newer BMWs like E46, E39 etc there aren't LSDs available from the factory (except M cars), so I might need to weld the diff, too if I drive such car during the next winters but this will cause more stress for the drivetrain and the whole car and a very compromised daily driving. So if you don't want to have a rattling, shaking, tyre skipping shit box low budget drift missile car but a "class" higher, definately see a proper LSD as an option I would suggest.
@@ThePCJakub Hi, well it is not that hard to get but they are pretty expensive unfortunately. Depending on the size of the case (168mm in 316i - 320i, 188mm in 323i - M3 3.0l or 210mm in M3 3.2l (at least in Europe)) and gear ratio they go for like 400€ to over 1000€ in Germany. But it helps that you could order a LSD directly from BMW as an option in all older BMWs until E36 and E34. You couldn't order a LSD in E46 or E39 for example, only the M models still had one. So for those "newer" BMWs LSDs are a lot more expensive since they weren't available from factory. E36 LSDs are expensive but not as expensive as LSDs for cars that didn't get any LSD from the factory.
For example if you want a LSD for your modern 235i BMW you would have to pay like 2000€+ for an aftermarket part and not like 600€ for a used factory E36 one.
So I think if you have an E36, maybe not a 318 Compact but a sedan or coupe with nice 6 cylinder engine that does cost a bit, you should totally look for a LSD and invest the money. It makes the car sooo much more fun and capable. But be aware that the LSDs are like 25 years old nowadays and most likely worn out. So you can buy a rebuild kit for around 200€ or even an upgrade kit which increases the factory 25% lockup. I bought a 40% rebuild/upgrade kit, so you can get a real racing-like LSD for well under 1000€, not that bad.
@@peterm3861Hallo, habe gesehen das du aus deutschland kommst und wollte dir eine Frage stellen, da du dich ja mit driften und Differentialsperre auskennst.
Und zwar fahre ich einen bmw e46 320i (170ps) und wollte dich da fragen was schlauer wäre, hab gelesen das es von bmw selbst eine 25% Sperre zum nachkaufen gibt die 40% jedoch nur von anderen anbietern.
Was würdest du mir empfehlen das 25% von bmw oder 40% von einem anderen anbieter (wäre auch froh um einen Tipp falls du erfahrungen hast, welcher Hersteller am besten ist)?
Oder soll ich es gleich schweißen (Auto hat 200k km und hab es für knapp unter 5 tausend ergattert, als daily und auch öfter zum driften)
@@maxrothauer6403 Hey Max, sorry für die späte Antwort.
Also beim E46 gibt es im Gegensatz zu den älteren Bmws leider gar keine Sperrdifferenziale in den nicht-M Modellen ab Werk. Nur der M3 hatte eins und das ist wohl leider auch nicht so mega toll. In eine Hinterachse vom nicht-M passt es auch nicht und E36 E34 Sperrdiff oder so geht auch nicht im E46. Die Diff-Bauform ist ganz anders, ebenso die Antriebswellen usw.
Also hier hast du eigentlich nur die Möglichkeit, ein Sperrdiff teuer aus dem Aftermarket zu kaufen oder das Diff zu schweißen. Beides ziemlich hart, finde ich :( Geschweißt fährt halt schon asozial. Wenn die Karre nicht schon heftig rappelig, sacktief und mies verbastelt ist, fühlt es sich mit geschweißtem Diff meiner Meinung nach dann ziemlich schnell so an. Fährt auch nicht so Anfänger-freundlich. Das Auto will im ersten Moment sogar weniger ausbrechen als mit offenem Diff oder humaner Sperre, du brauchst einen Clutch Kick und dann hängst du aber ziemlich plötzlich quer.
Wenn du das nötige Kleingeld hast, würde ich tatsächlich zum ordentlichen Aftermarket Sperrdiff raten. Das kann man ja ggf. auch wieder weiter verkaufen, es ist also nicht unbedingt der ganze Kaufpreis abgeschrieben. Ob jetzt 25% oder 40% Sperrwirkung ist eigentlich nicht so wichtig. Wenn du mit einem 320er zum Spaß haben mit Grip-armen Hinterreifen bei Regen rum rutschen willst, ist 25% schon 1000x besser als offen.
Die Prozent-Zahl gibt sozusagen nur an, bis zu welchem Grip-Unterschied beide Räder noch gleich schnell drehen. Wenn du auf der Hinterachse wenig Grip hast, verhalten sich beide Sperrwerte recht ähnlich, weil selbst bei der 25% Sperre das kurveninnere Rad selten die Sperre überwindet und durchrutscht. Ein weiterer Faktor ist noch der Grundsperrwert. Ein höherer wird fürs (fortgeschrittene) Driften empfohlen, dann rappelt es allerdings im Alltag auch eher. Zum Spaß haben und Rantasten nicht so mega entscheidend, finde ich.
Eine Kompromisslösung (von der man allerdings nicht allzu viel und nicht zu lange etwas erwarten kann) ist so ein Nachrüst-Kit vom Hersteller Racing Diffs. Bietet keinen hohen Sperrwert, ist spätestens nach ein paar Sessions Nassdriften überfordert oder verschlissen aber man könnte damit mal einen Winter lang testen, ob einem die Drifterei grundsätzlich gefällt. Dem Ding müsstest du halt mit wenig Grip auf der Hinterachse unter die Arme greifen. Also hartes Fahrwerk hinten, das wenig Seitenneigung zulässt (z.B. durch den Einbau von so auf die Stoßdämpfer-Kolbenstange aufsteckbare Federwegsbegrenzer), billige schmale Reifen, hoher Luftdruck usw.
Übrigens halten Sommerreifen beim Driften deutlich länger als Winterreifen. Mach das alles am besten aber wirklich abgelegen nachts bei Regen und in gut einsehbaren Strecken, wo man eventuellen Verkehr früh sieht und mit ein paar Kollegen, die schauen. Immer langsam rantasten, nichts unüberlegtes irgendwo im Verkehr. Ah und übrigens, die Bmws sind leider anfällig für abreißende Antriebswellen beim Driften. Du solltest schrauben können und dir vorsichtshalber eine linke und rechte Antriebswelle parat legen (gebraucht original hält besser als neu aus dem Zubehör), auch wirst du es dir später danken wenn du die aktuellen Antriebswellen schon mal gangbar machst, so dass sie gut zu wechseln sind falls eine reißt. Die backen gern in der Radnabe fest, weil sie da seit 20 Jahren drin sitzen.
Another advantage of non welded diff and disadvantage of welded diff accordingly is the fact when you get stuck in mud or in snow. The rotational speed of one of the wheel will facilitate the process of getting away, because the car will have more grip. It's all about the rotation when it comes to the dilemma welded or non welded diff. Btw, Fahre do you plan making another episode of your videos with your cars owned so far? And how is this car conditionwise? In a couple of months will it pass MOT? How do you think from a closer look? You said it in a video when you bought it that in a couple of months it needs to pass MOT so you should get prepared fixing maybe stuff.
gonna weld my daily audis rear diff cause taking it RWD to the summer :3
Wich audi?
He is gonna weld its fwd audi lol
@@inline5lova295 A4 B5 1.8T
I wish I had a parking lot this big to practice in
Man you give us hope by drifting such a cheap car! Welded diff on a 320 must feel much better (170hp)? Recommend?
do a different between your present dif and an m3 diff after installing in on your car
Thank you for the video I asked haha🤣
problem is not 100% same speed, problem is 100% same speed all the time with welded diff.
best for drifting is lsd with plates system (M performance, OS Giken... ), provides lock smiliar to what welded diff when locking.
Helicolidal lsd's (like quaiffe atb) are very soft in their locking, more 'time attack' oriented.
edit : plate system diffs are also (much) more expensive to maintain VS helicoidal system.
You should put a m50b25 in that thing.. could be Wild
I know! I really want to!
I think its not that bad 😂
do you pass the yearly inspection? MOT?
No, not with welded. Need to swap back when it`s time for MOT
hey I have a 318i 4dr with 17'' on it, would u recommend welding the diff?
Lanpod sell it and atleast get a 325
Or cheapest but best 4 banger is a 318is
Keep that, buy some 15"s and weld that, you will have lots of fun, I did it my self and no regrets
17" Is a bit too big. could break your axels
Jeg er glad for at det ikke er snø det er kaldt
well I guess it can'tbe that bad right?
ba chiar este deoarece atunci cand mergi cu spatele in stanga/dreapta se aud ciudat rotile
What wing is that?!
Im 13 (as you know I think) but when I get my dream car in march or the summer a 2003 infinity g35
Is having a welded diff legal?
are you a cop or what
@@crimeink2974no but im just asking
316ti?
Er du ikkje redd snuten ser videoene dine?
Jeg kjører ikke.
could you buy a newer bmw or a project car one time?
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Do you turn ESP off while normal driving or do usually keep it on?
CengizhanMilfhuntürk Off👍🏼
Kan du lage drift håndbrekk
Mulig! kjøpt inn hydro brekk, men dårlig med snø iår...
So no one is gonna mention how the trunk openend at 01:15
Bikeless Biker hahaha
Har vinter bilen blitt en Daily??
Jaja haha
@@FahreFilms hvor mye ga du for campacten igjen? Vurderer å skaffe en
Simen Godli Ikke mye. Min var mye galt med som jeg har fiksa nå 👍🏼 Bare å kjøpe!
When did you get this car???
A few month ago :)
@@FahreFilms thank god i thought you still drivin the old one that make you crash 😅
@@TheReal_Nizx_III Nope, Sold it a few week after the crash
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If your clutch is old, welded diff will turn it to sand
Most cars that get a welded diff already have an old clutch so that doesn’t really matter
@@eastsideofthetracks8311im sure it will matter on the tow truck ride home.
@@nartech_la5125 😂
You just had a bad experience is all
at first I thought the welds came off the gears of the diff, then I realized the clutch turned to sand. It was a really old cltch from a project car. Its best to get a lsd for daily driving. it will cost the same as changing the parts the welded diff breaks and strains.
@@karaitzzzthedon6485
Andreas. Jeg vet at dette er 3 år siden men trunken opner og lukker 1:14-1:18
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Where is a bmw e36
Patrik Petreković there is a E36 in this video 👍🏼
keep the sparco seat after you scrap this pile of crap then buy a sedan or wagon with normal engine and build a summer drift car
Why e36 compact😩😫
It`s cheap, that`s why
Because lightweight baby
@@FahreFilms is the difference between a sedan relevant to drifting?
lol my car drifts fine without a welded diff so nah
Not everyone can a afford an lsd
@@Codeman785 im nowhere near middle class lol u can have whatever you want as long as you dont want too much
Its shit.. not recommended at all