Evolution [Nikke Lore Theory]

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  • @n1waifu
    @n1waifu 16 дней назад +77

    No lie the Grave scene about her mission feels so much sadder after playing the event.

    • @CLxJames
      @CLxJames 16 дней назад +10

      Finding all those little visuals of her journey in the Old Tales environment was heavy. If you watch them in the right order, you can see her slowly degrading, losing her ability to speak and operate

    • @kefkamadman
      @kefkamadman 15 дней назад +6

      Everything after Chapter 30 just HURTS, after the event. Even the Red Ash end cutscene hits differently, now.

  • @acamacho023
    @acamacho023 16 дней назад +32

    That scene with "hero" playing in the back ground was such an epic deus ex machina moment, i wish there had been an animated scene for it.

  • @thomasthetanderloin
    @thomasthetanderloin 16 дней назад +53

    5:05 that is not true. Oswald had stated that the vapaus had killed 98% of the nimph in her body. The other 2% however, multiplied out to compensate the difference, to the point that Abe even stated that Cinderella is comprised almost entirely out of nanomachines, nanomachines that couldn't be considered NIMPH anymore. That by itself is evolution, by definition.

  • @Azrael_Terminus
    @Azrael_Terminus 16 дней назад +18

    I was thinking about it and I have a few thoughts to contribute to the discussion. They might be a bit wild, but I am sure there is at least some truth to them. What do Nikkes and Heretics have in common and what differs them? First, what they have in common: A core. Second, what differs them: A Nikke can survive without a core (as seen by Rapi's decapitation and Red Shoes's core getting destroyed by Cindy), a Rapture can survive without a brain (as seen by Behemoth getting completely destroyed until she was just a core twice). I think evolution ties back to the core.
    The Commander was very right when he said maybe Rapi had some memories from Red Hood. I think the core is not only an energy source, but something made to help NIMPH and a Nikke's brain assimilate their bodily functions. And either the core has an AI that helps in this process or it managed to gain its own sentience assimilating the memories of its host. This is important because we know the incredible potential of the core, as seen by how much energy two cores can generate and how it can create/alter bodies out of nothing but itself (this also happens with Nikkes, as seen when Rapi changed into Red Hood). We once questioned how Marian could be alive after getting shot through the brain and I think this is the answer. She isn't alive. Marian is dead, her brain died. Modernia is Marian's core assimilating her memories and turning into something by itself. Thats what Heretics are, they are the core manifesting through an assimilation of Nikke memories and corruption.
    I think Cinderella is an exception to this and perhaps there are others, since she was turned into a heretic without the death of her brain. In a way, you can see it as Cinderella (the brain) vs Anachiro (the core).
    And evolution is something that affects the core, but its effects are different depending on the stregth of the host's memories. Ir the host values humanity, it will have a evolution like Rapi or Marian's. If the host is become distant from its own humanity, it becomes the various incredible forms the Heretics turn into.
    Last, but not least. I think the reason why Vapaus is able to do this is something that has been in front of us this entire time. Vapaus is a type of core dust, but in a different physical state. Vapaus is an enhancer of cores and cores only grow stronger assimilating other cores or information. This is why Nikke need both core dust and battle data to level up.
    Edit: Also, if this is true. Get ready for Heretic Rapi and perhaps Heretic Red Hood, since something will happen to their core left behind after Rapi's decapitation.
    Edit 2: The only thing I have no asnwer for is how a core can grow out of nothing as seen by Rapi and Red Hood,'s core regenerating in her new body.

  • @nightmarecrimson9121
    @nightmarecrimson9121 16 дней назад +38

    Me silently hoping that Rapi's new form is called "Rapi: Goddess of Victory"

    • @nitroGen32
      @nitroGen32 15 дней назад +1

      That would be absolute cinema

    • @Willias
      @Willias 14 дней назад +1

      Maybe eventually? This is actually the starting point for Rapi's story.

    • @WilliamLee-jn8gj
      @WilliamLee-jn8gj 14 дней назад +1

      Hoping this not the case😅

    • @nightmarecrimson9121
      @nightmarecrimson9121 14 дней назад +2

      @@WilliamLee-jn8gj 😭

  • @Skullfiend
    @Skullfiend 16 дней назад +14

    Grave technically also evolved. And that happened after a lot of hardship, amd focusing on her mission. Her body developed, to the point she could fight against a specialized model and pummel them to the ground despite lacking some parts and having a decaying body. Scarlet has also shown that her own body is kinda degraded too in thst one special encounter in the hospital with Mary and Pepper when they repair her body to the best of their ability because she doesn't have normal parts that could be replaced. And she still fights so strongly... And with Mana's Repairs, Grave is even stronger and can fight alongside all the others.

    • @pinguyfrank4255
      @pinguyfrank4255 13 дней назад +1

      i think Grave is more what they call a "badass normal" she really did those feats because she is a stuborn mom and a genius researcher. She could easly min-max her wrecked body capabilities with her knowledge, was defending herself with a weapon meant for a member of the goddess squad. and she most likely was manually repaired by Mana.
      Scarlet is probably running in pure rapture bloodlust the last century.

  • @Kuro_Archive
    @Kuro_Archive 16 дней назад +25

    The only problem I have with calling whatever form it was Rapi entered post ch 26, different from the one she used in the 1v3, is that she could not tell a difference between the two forms. When neon and anis caught up to rapi post grave fight, neon made the comment that she thought rapi could not access that overdrive form anymore, and rapi was just as surprised. The only comment she made that would imply a difference is that the form she used against grave was more "stable", not weaker (I believe her not becoming weaker is also why she was so devastated after losing to behemoth). Which, to me implied she was making that power her own, evidenced by her no longer needing to utter a command and very obviously what ended up happening with her evolution + her characterization in the new chapters.
    Also, I believe Cinderella did evolve, just not in the ludicrous extent the others did; there were multiple instances in the anni where Cindy made comments about feeling more powerful than ever after being affected by vapaus. Training to become stronger is out the window, she was held in captivity being tortured that entire time. This was also stated again after the "let's rewrite our story" goal. So it fits with ur "purpose" theme for the vid.

    • @TakenaShin
      @TakenaShin  16 дней назад +5

      Rapi not being able to tell the difference between them is understandable though, since both forms are still complete mysteries even to her. And as far as she knew back then, what allows her to transform into Red Hood is the Secret Body, so her concluding that it's the same isn't really surprising even if there's a difference.
      And based on what we know about Nikkes, stable = weaker, that's why Ark made Nikkes are weaker than the Fairy Tale Models. The power of Overdrive Rapi also comes from the immense output of the two cores so there's no way that she didn't get weaker after Red Hood faded away.
      And Rapi explained it that the reason why she was so devastated after being defeated by Behemoth, is because ever since giving up on trying to become Red Hood, fighting(winning) is all that she had left. So being defeated meant that she lost that even that.
      tbh I'm also confused with those transformations. Because it seemed different from Evolution but there's no second body, so it's also different from the secret body. I hope they'll explain it in ch. 35.

    • @Yopee
      @Yopee 16 дней назад +1

      I think we're still missing key info about the vapaus. The confusing parts that we can't properly explain right now could be due to this.
      The vapaus was 1st introduced suddenly as a heretic-killing substance in the anachiro torture lab in old tales. It's weird that they suddenly have vapaus when heretics never existed before.
      Also, we now know it's not really a heretic killer. Why did they mislabeled it?
      And also, the vapaus is said to disable/destroy the nanomachines in the nimph but it also 'fused' with the corruption in anachiro which implies the vapaus stayed in Cinderella body.
      Marian, Rapi, Behemoth were all exposed to corruption at some point so maybe this applies to them too?

    • @Kuro_Archive
      @Kuro_Archive 15 дней назад

      @@TakenaShin I understand what you mean, but the form being something of a mystery to her shouldn't really explain her ability to tell whether or not she's weaker. And while your stable = weaker is definitely true for the context surrounding the Nikkes (at least for the physical aspect), I don't think it's true for this particular case (there have also been other exceptions). And my reasoning for that is somewhat similar to the reason I believe shes as powerful even if she may no longer have redhood's core. And that's because behemoth saw the memories of rapi's fight against Nihilister indivillia and chatterbox. If rapi had gotten weaker then behemoth would have been able to tell the difference between the memory she saw and the rapi that she fought but she didn't, if anything she simply came to the conclusion that she and the beasts were stronger than they'd ever been and that they could take on Nihilister indi and liberarlio. To me, it both makes sense that she got weaker and that she didn't. There are arguments to both sides but I prefer to look at that stability as rapi making the power her own as it would fit wonderfully with her character arc.

    • @Kuro_Archive
      @Kuro_Archive 15 дней назад

      @@Yopee the actual acquisition of vapaus is definitely the most mysterious part of all this considering it's now been confirmed Lilith was alive during the time Cindy was held in captivity and afterwards. Now the biggest mystery involving the past is what became of the LC. I suspect we'll get answers to all your questions once we are told what happened to him after he disappeared in red ash.

    • @Yopee
      @Yopee 15 дней назад

      @@Kuro_Archive definitely. rapunzel still says she has not received any news about the LC's whereabouts or what he's been doing to this day.
      it doesn't make a lotta military sense to just rip away the commander of the most successful squad in history.
      either they didn't want the squad to be successful anymore or they found another more important use for the LC (e.g. as a walking bloodbag).
      but that still doesn't answer the question of how did they ever even think of splashing heretics with the LC's blood? there's no way they saw anachiro and thought "let's splash LC blood on her as another experiment."
      someone had to have known that LC blood is effective on heretics beforehand.

  • @nDVSTRY
    @nDVSTRY 16 дней назад +8

    I know the story is ongoing, but they should really consider expanding this universe into other media like an anime series, movies, etc. It's a very fleshed out and interesting story i feel could gain more eyes on it if done right.

  • @gigaslave
    @gigaslave 16 дней назад +5

    My own theory is that Red Hood's own Corruption fused with her NIMPH and she basically corrupted Rapi with herself. CH34 is basically Rapi undergoing her own Second Affection and evolving.

  • @kefkamadman
    @kefkamadman 15 дней назад +2

    Y'know, I fell head over heels for Red Hood, in Red Ash, and in her chapters in the Campaign. Her personality, her strength of will, her simple small town perspective, and how human she was. Yeah, she's still in the summoning pool. Yeah, she's still huge, in Anomaly Interception: Ultra. But she's still gone, forever.
    Rapi is her own character. I love her, too, because we spent 34 Campaign chapters, and God knows how many events with her. I love how she's grown. Commander is the protag, but Rapi is the heroine.

  • @gidousama8511
    @gidousama8511 15 дней назад +2

    Behemoth stated that she actually felt her nanomachines gone out of order when come in contact with vapaus. She theorize that since there's no new order inserted on those nanomachines while in the process,the nanomachines simply died off and weakening heretic. That's why after behemoth receive second dose of vapaus,she manage to evolve thanks to vapaus(she literally took control of her nanomachines). The same goes to Rapi, she evolve bcuz at the moment she got captured ,leviathan tried to corrupt rapi by injecting heretic nanomachines in her. However when that happen,commander manage to mix his own blood at rapi while she engulfed in leviathan nanomachines. As result ,levi nanomachines in rapi gone out order allowing rapi/red hood to insert new order on those nanomachines. Basically,there's connection between vapaus,heretic nanomachines and nimph but we just don't know it yet.

  • @thomasthetanderloin
    @thomasthetanderloin 16 дней назад +3

    4:55 That might not be neccesarily true. She did gain a massive powerboost after she shot herself with the vapaus bullet in chapter 24. We can't guarantee those aren't involved for some reason.

  • @pinguyfrank4255
    @pinguyfrank4255 12 дней назад +1

    Unless Nikkes themselves have a self modification feature hidden inside their bodies or Cores. I cannot think that every existing Nikke has the abilty to evolve.
    To some extent the can change the shape of their bodies like ordinary humans but is not like that every Nikke started like a plainless mass produced one and later become a more unique type nikke likes the ones we know.
    I think this evolution is a combination of having special body properties (Rapi is a unique Nikke and heretics are a combination of nikke and rapture tech with high amounts of nanomachines), a well developed personality or a rather powerful emptional burst rathet than a purpose (Rapi is able to burst into her new form because she finally realized what she wanted in a clear manner leaving her doubts behind meanwhile her previous transformstions/mode changes were just partial and somewhat forced, Marian and behemoth are more simple minded but is very clear when they updrade themselves both desired more strength to protect their comrades, and the heretics we already know have their personslities well established and their objectives very clear) and of course Vapaus spicing up maybe is required. If just a purpose is required lot of Nikke in public service Will already hace evolved as they pretty devoted to their Crafts and Jobs. To me self optimization is restricted to pilgrim clasified Nikkes.

  • @thomasthetanderloin
    @thomasthetanderloin 16 дней назад +4

    11:47 That is not true. Cinderella had the transformation and rapture call ability right from the moment she turned into a heretic, she said so herself. So its more likely to do with how they were constructed, rather than anything else.

    • @TakenaShin
      @TakenaShin  16 дней назад +2

      @@thomasthetanderloin and that's exactly what I mean. Because when a heretic is created their purpose is what gives them their ideal form. Nihilister wants to destroy things that's why her ideal form is a dragon and Liberalio wants tranquility that's why she became a jellyfish. Behemoth not having a purpose during her creation would explain why she can't transform.

    • @thomasthetanderloin
      @thomasthetanderloin 16 дней назад

      @@TakenaShin That is not what I mean. Cinderella had all the abilities befitting as a heretic right from the start, no evolution required. So its more likely that 2 separate heretic viruses were used to create them. Viruses that likely came from different sources.

    • @Yopee
      @Yopee 16 дней назад

      Yeah I can see signs of 2 main types of corruption with 2 subtypes of each.

  • @RaymsJohnivanPVillegas
    @RaymsJohnivanPVillegas 16 дней назад +1

    That will be waiting for this 🤩🤩

  • @ZamZakuZou
    @ZamZakuZou 16 дней назад +6

    Will wait for the evolution of Yuni, the redemption. Main purpose will be sure conencted to Mihara. Man imagine, Yuni breaking free from the bind and emerge like a monarch butterfly.

    • @Iamhungey
      @Iamhungey 15 дней назад +1

      Yuni would make a great Heretic.

  • @Barry_chopstick
    @Barry_chopstick 16 дней назад +9

    Rapi new ssr name : Rapi EVO

    • @thomasthetanderloin
      @thomasthetanderloin 16 дней назад +5

      My preferred name would be Rapi: Red Eternity.

    • @ZamZakuZou
      @ZamZakuZou 16 дней назад

      For sure itll be Red Riding Hood. 😂

    • @natablue
      @natablue 16 дней назад +2

      wolf's legacy
      a bit cringe but its the thing i could think of

  • @nicholassaetern699
    @nicholassaetern699 16 дней назад +7

    Great video. Do you have any thoughts about what will happen with Neon in the future? There is a lot of mystery surrounding her that hasn't been touched on (like why Ingrid assigned her to Counters). Since Rapi has gotten new form stemming from Red Hood and Anis is going to get one too, likely from changing back to her old body, that just leaves Neon. I was thinking that maybe she could take the Tactical Upgrade that was originally meant for Rapi.

    • @TakenaShin
      @TakenaShin  16 дней назад

      Yeah I also think that Neon is going to get Rapi's Tactical Up. Specially since Rapi has no use for it now, and Neon.

  • @CLxJames
    @CLxJames 14 дней назад

    “Red Hood is completely gone”
    *Chapter 34 ending*

  • @aigarskauls9200
    @aigarskauls9200 16 дней назад +2

    One thing you need to work on your outro how you end the video.
    Overall good video on Rapi new mission. Now i wonder what happend to the body of Rapi and Red Hood at starting chapters. after all her current one is new body.

  • @izzymosley1970
    @izzymosley1970 16 дней назад +4

    There's a gotcha game called limbus company that Also has a transformation that characters can do that this reminds me of. In limbus company's setting there's a transformation that seemingly any character can undertake called E.G.O and its counterpart distortion these transformations are triggered in a very similar way and give the user a very similar abilities they are triggered by a person entering a state of despair that is considered worse by that person then dying then the person will undergo a transformation where an invisible barrier will protect them while they are transforming also during the transformation the person will be tempted by a soothing voice to give into that despair if they do they become a monstrous being known as a distortion when someone distorts their appearance is shaped by their trauma and in most occasions the distorted individual will go on a rampage but there are some rare cases were distortions keep control over themselves and can even hold a conversation with regular humans as well as some of them being able to take a humanoid form. Then their counterparts E.G.O users are formed when someone's in the middle of potentially transforming into a distortion but refusing to listen to The voice by choosing not to give them to the despair that they are feeling E.G.O users look a lot more human than even some of the most humanoid looking distortions sometimes simply looking like humans wielding incredibly powerful weaponry the main difference between E.G.O users and distortions isn't about power but about how much control the individual has over their mental faculties because E.G.O users from instance of transformation we've seen always continue on with their goal they had before they transformed on the other hand even the most sane distortions are massively different people than who they were before they distorted or at least have drastically different goals. Also in some instances via an unknown factor sometimes when people get E.G.O or they distort they fuse with some of the people around them into a singular more powerful being I assume this happens because of a powerful psychological connection between the transforming individuals. I hope you found this comment interesting and I'm sorry if it's too long.

  • @9NoobTuber5
    @9NoobTuber5 16 дней назад

    Now this is an SSR Rapi that was worth waiting for... at least for me... I don't need or want a cheap SSR Rapi... now she has purpose... also Behemoth, my beloved derpy heretic.. I hope you'll be pullable or able to be liberated one day.

  • @akhyarrayhka4048
    @akhyarrayhka4048 15 дней назад

    Nikke teach us that a Nikke is very resilient.

  • @Fgundam
    @Fgundam 13 дней назад

    Also arnt the three also infected by the commander's blood.

  • @jarnMod
    @jarnMod 16 дней назад

    Since I still got stuck against Nihlister, I'll save this vdo for later.

  • @davfree9732
    @davfree9732 16 дней назад

    Need to see Rapi’s new gun. Does it even have flight stabilisers?

  • @HaiseKuromeruMMD
    @HaiseKuromeruMMD 10 дней назад

    I don't think Rapi was weaker when she lost Red hood while transformed there was no statement that she is weaker nor did Rapi say that she got weaker they were only surprised that she can still do it and it was stable so it was only because Behemoth was just that strong that she beat Rapi and Four beast thought they were weaker from other Heretics cause they couldn't transform.
    In my theory is that Rapi and Red Hood's core fused into one which is why it appeared as just one core and when the evolution happened it awakened that newly fused core and gives off that same energy of the two cores but only this time it is stable and completely transformed Rapi into her new Red Hood form and from the looks of it permanently.

  • @jerezsyjuco9639
    @jerezsyjuco9639 11 дней назад

    the question is how red hood get inside rapi? did they fused together literally?

  • @kinggamerx5758
    @kinggamerx5758 15 дней назад

    Rapi always the true goddess.

  • @acefreak95
    @acefreak95 15 дней назад

    soooo..... has nobody noticed rapi has 2 four sided stars on her beret?

  • @chriss.249
    @chriss.249 10 дней назад

    Ayo is the one in the thumbanil Rapi fused with red hood?
    Bruh she gives me "Iris-another" vibes from Megaman X🔥
    Hopefully she doesnt get the same treatment og Iris did🤧

  • @o0TraceuR0o
    @o0TraceuR0o 14 дней назад +2

    bro how can anyone torture themselves with english dubbing in this game

  • @pau1farcry
    @pau1farcry 16 дней назад +1

    All of this makes no sense as to why RAPI isn't an SSR RAPI is clearly the strongest nikke so why 😢😢😢

  • @leoniemartin3440
    @leoniemartin3440 16 дней назад

    Ssr Rapi W .

  • @waltermelon3800
    @waltermelon3800 15 дней назад +1

    Her new design is kinda boring. Reminds me of just ssg goku.