It is great to see Taikiken's fight here. As a Yiquan practitioner, I knew that Taikiken has a close link to Yiquan's founder. Hope to see more about Taikiken growth in the future.
BTW agree completely with stellardancer's comment: the unedited version tells a different story, as always with these Japanese exhibition fights (and I have to say, it would be the same and often is with Chinese exhibition fights!).
That flowing hang technique is not going to work against hard kicks and fist 🤛 but Maui -tai kick boxing 🥊 will give kyoshin a run for there money 💰 I have to give those guys credit they’ve a lot of heart ♥️
Note to anyone watcing this. the words there are not the same for tai ji.even thought they cound the same. real tai chi is written with the same tai but the "ji" means extreme while the word used here is "chi" meaning ki.
as you said, it was modified. just because it was originally a chinese system it doesnt mean that after being modified it's still chinese. All martial arts (oriental ones at least) come from the Shaolin temple of china. after many modifications one of the arts that came out of these shaolin styles were karate. so are you saying karate is also chinese?
Rice was brought over to Japan from China. Rice was then made into a certain form, known as sushi. Would it be correct to say that sushi came from China? Tai Chi is different in form and philosophy than Taikiken. Therefore, they are not the same.
@KyokushinBrawler : well, it is tougher than match-point tournaments, but it is not "reality", it is still a sport with rules to protect players from real injury.
I'm an Ashihara karate practicioner but still got lot's of respect for kyokushin , it impressed me to see taiken people winning but that doesn't mean they are the ultimate martial art and is the same in this video , kyokushin wins but that doesn't make them the strongest so that quote of yours is out of place and there are no such thing as lucky shots you practice hard and repeat a movement hundreds of times , if it hits i assure you is no "lucky Shot".
most of the current shaolin systems are the result of later contributions made by diverse martial artists who went to shaolin to refine what they knew by mixing it with spiritual and energetic practices. Most of what Bodhidharma brought from India where exercises for health and spiritual development. Look at the ancient Indian styles of MA and you'll see the difference
Well.. the kyokushin fighters are very good, in fact, the first one is the actual boss of one of the kyokushin organizations. But I think that there's no real match between styles, it always depends on the practicioner... Any person could be a good fighter practicing one of the various "full contact" martial arts.
@Hardrockker1 if they allow punch to the face in kyokushin....a lot of people would get badly hurt due to the fact kyokushin utilize bare knuckle punches.
ummm, no. The styles of Shaolin came from an indian monk. It was there that the STYLES of shaolin was refined and further developed. Many of the styles/systems then spreaded out and became their own discipline. but China is a huge country, so it would be inaccurate to say that ALL kung fu styles STARTED from shaolin (althought MANY MANY did) but what did happen for sure was that the shaolin style had INFLUENCE on all the styles.
Tekkiken is not Taichi. It was an adption of Chinese Yiquan but somehow the internal force training is greatly replaced by external exercise. I don't see yiquan or taichi fighting strategy is used here at all. What I saw in the Tekkiken guy is mere empty shell trying to mimic the form of taichi.
@TiptheJester Er ... what? No way... some Japanese writing is descended from Chinese, but the the languages are completely different, with separate roots, not that it's relevant.
so i looked it up on google. and apparently it ias a japanese version of yiquan. therefore not really yiquan. if not the name would have been yi-ken instead. anyway. just to clarify its a sino-japanese art. and has nothing to do with chinese Tai Ji
The funniest thing is, When these matches are held by Chinese the kung-fu users always win. When these matches are held by Japanese, the karate guys always win. Nationalism, anyone?
That's not tai chi at all. It's Taiki , and one of the old dude shown in the video is the creator of Taiki and hes japanese. So no , taikiken is as much kung fu as Karate is in that both of them had some roots in China but they are japanese martial arts.
I already saw the taikiken kyokushin fights , and it is true that the taikiken people did better in there , i am amazed and sincerely congratulate the taikiken people , but i don't see this video as "Cheap Propaganda" , in here the kyokushin guy simply did better as the taikiken people did it on the other videos .
(con't) ie. wing chun (from what i know) either started at the shaolin temple, or was a style heavily influenced by it. and wing chun practitioners/master have without a doubt influenced many other kung fu styles. so ultimately, those kung fu styles were influenced by shaolin. And every style that have adapted to Bruce Lee's philosophies and borrowed from Bruce Lee's style, that style is now influenced by Shaolin because Bruce Lee started off learning shaolin.
Fua Yin Chia (Chin Woo) was poisoned by Japanese because no Japanese fighters could match him. Wang Pei Sheng (Yang Taichi) single handedly defeated 3 top Japanese Shorinji Karate..
Taikiken here is not doing good here, maybe the reason is that physically kyokushin guys are much stronger and more aggressive. I see taikiken guys only staying in defensive position, rarely attacking.
Wang Shu Jin (Bagua) demo in Japan challenged by Judo and Karatekas and promptly defeated all of them. Not to say Kungfu is better but this video certainly do no justice to real kungfu.
ITS NOT TRUE TAICHI(pronouncation of Chinese) There are many films about FAKE(or weak) Chinese KungFu master are defeated by KARATE a wushu-well known person knows KARATE is another form of Chinese Kung-Fu , and Japanese made it local and become a great WU-SHU(In Chinese it equals to martial)
太氣拳がですね、大変危険になってますね～
↑ｗｗｗｗ
これまた懐かしい動画だな
この元はフジテレビの深夜の格闘番組SRSでその中のコーナー「格闘ビデオ道」だね
師範は大槻ケンヂ、番組の司会が田代まさしで女性アシスタントと３人でマニアックな格闘ビデオを紹介する、という内容だった
別の回ではあの柳龍拳がビデオを投稿してきて、あの弟子たちがくるくる飛び回る姿がテレビで流された
それがきっかけでのちに例の格闘家との戦いが行われたんだよな
太気券じゃなくて大変危険になってますね・・・・って・・。
吹いた・・。
極真の試合ではない武道の姿そのものだな。顔面対応でやや上げたガード、倒れるまで相手を追うところも非情に実戦的だね。当てないありきのスポーツ空手とは全く迫力が違いますな～
他の映像で太気拳の人に極真の猛者が鼻血まみれにされた映像も見た。
凄い野生的な連中で驚いたけど極真のほうもさすがで
このときはもう対応しているんだな
あれは最初の交流戦だからしょうがない。
だが、数回交流したら結果は逆転して極真有利になった。
極真のやり方が正しい事の証明だな。
It is great to see Taikiken's fight here. As a Yiquan practitioner, I knew that Taikiken has a close link to Yiquan's founder.
Hope to see more about Taikiken growth in the future.
初期の太気拳の人たちはやはりすごいですね。今の極真ならまだしも
初期の極真の選手と同等以上に組手やれてしまうんですから
この技術交流会は複数回行われているのでこの動画は後の方のものでしょう
初期は太氣拳側が有利で顔面の掌底がよく入っていたのですが
その動画ってありますか？
@@SBDC177
太極拳ってのはタイプミスですね。極真は1人目が松井さん、2人目が緑さんです。
ruclips.net/video/-zAvoJA2X34/видео.html
@@s4quattro72 極真の人間に詳しくないんですけど太氣拳の人顔何発か入ってるように見えますがタフさすごいですね…ありがとうございました！！
美しい型ばかりでは大変なことになると沢井先生は忠告
BTW agree completely with stellardancer's comment: the unedited version tells a different story, as always with these Japanese exhibition fights (and I have to say, it would be the same and often is with Chinese exhibition fights!).
they are so brave . especially yi yuen guys.
いくら立禅やっても組手をやらない太気拳の道場は弱い。
本当にオタクばかりになってしまった。
今やそういうところが増えて、ガチの組手やる太気拳は少ない。
(ライトスパーだけでは駄目)
もう今の太気拳で極真とここまで戦えるところは無いね。
どの流派でもガチの組手やるところが強いんだよ。
Me encanta el kyokushin es mi arte marcial 🥋 preferido, pero los otros tipos eran muy malos, principiantes quizás
well is maybe the video poster just made a mistake? cuz i aint ever heard of 太氣
very nice, my respect to these fighters. Very few will strike with the rules these guys adhere to. Very impressive.
あなたは正しい極心の時間を持っています！ あなたはすべての戦いを入れなければなりません。
yeah, but the one with the blue long sleeve under the gi is Midori shihan!
anyway, do u do kyokushin as well?
You tubeに出ている大気拳vs極真はどれも人為的に編集されたもので参考にしかならないようです。
別の格闘技とやるのって凄いですね
顔面に入らないかひやひやしましたｗ
That flowing hang technique is not going to work against hard kicks and fist 🤛 but Maui -tai kick boxing 🥊 will give kyoshin a run for there money 💰 I have to give those guys credit they’ve a lot of heart ♥️
Note to anyone watcing this. the words there are not the same for tai ji.even thought they cound the same. real tai chi is written with the same tai but the "ji" means extreme while the word used here is "chi" meaning ki.
Is this kyokyshin vs hsing i or tai ki ken?
1:22 was the high light of this vid!
nice jump kick!
組手の達人と言われた松井選手。やっぱりすごいな。
as you said, it was modified. just because it was originally a chinese system it doesnt mean that after being modified it's still chinese. All martial arts (oriental ones at least) come from the Shaolin temple of china. after many modifications one of the arts that came out of these shaolin styles were karate. so are you saying karate is also chinese?
@EstilosMarciales
"Yi Quan" also known in Japan as "Taikiken"
anyone knows who was fighting from Kyokushin on this vid?
1.Matsui Shoukei,
2.Midori Kenji,
3.
4.
5.
anyone please tell me, if you know!
Thanks!
見たことない人が多そうだけど、大気拳やってる人で腕が細い人でも強い人いますよ。
筋トレより立禅を主体としているのは、力のかけ方や流れを知るためです。
強い人に顔への攻撃を入れられたらわかります。素人なら軽くひっくり返されてしまいます。
Rice was brought over to Japan from China. Rice was then made into a certain form, known as sushi. Would it be correct to say that sushi came from China?
Tai Chi is different in form and philosophy than Taikiken. Therefore, they are not the same.
This is Kyokushin vs Taikiken/taiki kenpo aka Mind boxing.
@KyokushinBrawler : well, it is tougher than match-point tournaments, but it is not "reality", it is still a sport with rules to protect players from real injury.
I'm an Ashihara karate practicioner but still got lot's of respect for kyokushin , it impressed me to see taiken people winning but that doesn't mean they are the ultimate martial art and is the same in this video , kyokushin wins but that doesn't make them the strongest so that quote of yours is out of place and there are no such thing as lucky shots you practice hard and repeat a movement hundreds of times , if it hits i assure you is no "lucky Shot".
maybe 太气 is the japanese way of righting tai chi? cuz i aint ever heard of 太气
most of the current shaolin systems are the result of later contributions made by diverse martial artists who went to shaolin to refine what they knew by mixing it with spiritual and energetic practices. Most of what Bodhidharma brought from India where exercises for health and spiritual development. Look at the ancient Indian styles of MA and you'll see the difference
Well.. the kyokushin fighters are very good, in fact, the first one is the actual boss of one of the kyokushin organizations. But I think that there's no real match between styles, it always depends on the practicioner... Any person could be a good fighter practicing one of the various "full contact" martial arts.
@rebkhai
Appears to be vs Yi quan (Tai ki ken). That's not xing yi
1:23 He gave his ass the business! Ooph! Taikiken guys should've ate their Wheaties!
Full contact really, really,REALLY HURTS.But you get a painfully clear picture of how good or bad you really are.
@Hardrockker1 if they allow punch to the face in kyokushin....a lot of people would get badly hurt due to the fact kyokushin utilize bare knuckle punches.
is that shokei matsui???
ummm, no. The styles of Shaolin came from an indian monk. It was there that the STYLES of shaolin was refined and further developed. Many of the styles/systems then spreaded out and became their own discipline. but China is a huge country, so it would be inaccurate to say that ALL kung fu styles STARTED from shaolin (althought MANY MANY did) but what did happen for sure was that the shaolin style had INFLUENCE on all the styles.
Tekkiken is not Taichi. It was an adption of Chinese Yiquan but somehow the internal force training is greatly replaced by external exercise. I don't see yiquan or taichi fighting strategy is used here at all. What I saw in the Tekkiken guy is mere empty shell trying to mimic the form of taichi.
i checked youtube and seems like there is actually an art called taikiken. its different from taichi. purely japanese art.
@TiptheJester
Er ... what? No way... some Japanese writing is descended from Chinese, but the the languages are completely different, with separate roots, not that it's relevant.
greetings my friend, You have found an English comment
No, estoy buscando comentarios en español
@fjinnw These are the leading "taikiken" practitioners.
顔面無しではケンカも総合ルールも勝てない
相手がまだジークンドー並みにパンチが軽いから
良かったな
>this is not Taichi
太気拳などいわゆる内家拳の打撃は外側からの見た目だけでは分かり
にくいです。実際は重くて浸透するので、まぁ受けたくはないですね。
昔、自分より遥かに小柄な太気拳の方と太極拳の方に腕を合わせて
もらう機会がありましたが、初めての感触とその重たさに驚いた記憶が
あります。いわゆるウェイトで鍛えたソレとは質が違う。こればかりは
いくら言っても伝わらないとは思いますが。
so i looked it up on google. and apparently it ias a japanese version of yiquan. therefore not really yiquan. if not the name would have been yi-ken instead.
anyway. just to clarify its a sino-japanese art. and has nothing to do with chinese Tai Ji
The funniest thing is,
When these matches are held by Chinese the kung-fu users always win.
When these matches are held by Japanese, the karate guys always win.
Nationalism, anyone?
@tranglomango It is a japanese art, dude. It isn't Tai Chi Quan. The English name is "Ki Boxing".
That's not tai chi at all. It's Taiki , and one of the old dude shown in the video is the creator of Taiki and hes japanese. So no , taikiken is as much kung fu as Karate is in that both of them had some roots in China but they are japanese martial arts.
パワーと身体能力と経験のあるやつが強い。それだけだろ。
アリスターオーフレイム見てれば、素人の俺でもそんくらい分かるぞ。
極真だとか大氣だとか、どっちでもいいんじゃないの。
極真好勁架!! 極真講求實戰技巧, 太氣拳只係強身健體ge運動, 兩回事黎! 但是最重要都係depend on什麼人身上 明唔明我講咩?
vaya que paliza, es kyokushin vs que?
実際のケンカと同じで、打たれ強さが重要です。極真の打たれ強さは半端じゃありません。ガチスパー30R後に、フルパワーで互いの腹を打ち、フルパワーでローキックを蹴り合って、打たれ強さの強化をしています。
極真の中級者以上の腹を殴ったことありますか？ フルパワーで殴ったら、自分の手首の方が骨折しますよ。
とにかく、いくら言われても納得しないでしょうから、お近くの極真の道場に体験で行ってみて下さい。で、「おもいっきり腹殴ってもいいですか？」と聞いて、全力で殴ってみて下さい。
反対に、「3割くらいの力で腹殴ってもらえますか？ あとローキックもお願いします」といってみて下さい。
立ち上がれるまでに最低でも30分、1週間は足を引きずって歩くことになります。
口ではなんとでも言えます。
実際に試して下さい。
mirae_mirae そんな極真でもルールが変わるとホント勝てなくなるんですけどね、て亀レスですけど。
止まった状態で叩き合うこと自体を避け有利な間合いとポジションで戦う技術を教えないと武道ではなく単なる我慢比べですよ。万一路上で武器相手ならどうするんですか？
あと中級者って何帯からですか？私は顔面、組・首相撲、投げ、関節あり流派のたかだか茶帯ですが、極真から黒、茶、緑帯が入門してきた皆さん共通してフットワークが使えなかったから蹴りなんて初動で見切れるので簡単にスウェーから反撃したり、蹴り足キャッチできてしまいます。その方々もライトな実戦形式で教えているうちにだいぶ慣れておられましたが、最初は「信じられない」という反応でした。
oh gosh, taichi jokers...
空手を否定するわけじゃないが、相手をほぼ自分ルールに閉じ込めてボコボコにしても空手最強とは言い辛いよね。
武道は殴る蹴るだけじゃないよね？
Japanese language is modified from Chinese, does that mean Japanese = Chinese?
Something to think about, if you're still capable of doing that.
I already saw the taikiken kyokushin fights , and it is true that the taikiken people did better in there , i am amazed and sincerely congratulate the taikiken people , but i don't see this video as "Cheap Propaganda" , in here the kyokushin guy simply did better as the taikiken people did it on the other videos .
(con't) ie. wing chun (from what i know) either started at the shaolin temple, or was a style heavily influenced by it. and wing chun practitioners/master have without a doubt influenced many other kung fu styles. so ultimately, those kung fu styles were influenced by shaolin. And every style that have adapted to Bruce Lee's philosophies and borrowed from Bruce Lee's style, that style is now influenced by Shaolin because Bruce Lee started off learning shaolin.
@paragate dude taikiken does not even exist...I only know tai chi chuan and it has nothing to do with this
極真の人達でかいしパワーあるから圧勝ですね
フィジカルが違い過ぎるｗ
これの編集してないやつは空手家が鼻血まみれでしばかれてたよ
これですね。極真は1人目が松井章圭氏、２人目が緑健児氏。ハイキックもローキックも殆ど避けられたうえ緑氏が顔面喰らって鼻血出してます。
ruclips.net/video/-zAvoJA2X34/видео.html
I'm not Japanese. I'm a white, American servicemember stationed in Yokosuka, Japan.
Fua Yin Chia (Chin Woo) was poisoned by Japanese because no Japanese fighters could match him. Wang Pei Sheng (Yang Taichi) single handedly defeated 3 top Japanese Shorinji Karate..
nope. japanese writing uses chinese chracters. since taiji is of chinese origin, the writing would not be changed. therefore this is not taiji
極真つえ～なあ
shun iran え？弱いだろー。実践カラテと謳ってるだけで全く実践向きじゃ無い。
と8年前のコメントにコメントしてみた。
Taikiken here is not doing good here, maybe the reason is that physically kyokushin guys are much stronger and more aggressive. I see taikiken guys only staying in defensive position, rarely attacking.
Osu. They need to block more. It doesn't seem like they fight alot like in Karate.
太氣拳是日本的武術嗎?
怎好像沒聽過
1:26 HOLY SHIT
this is not Taichi
太极 is Taiji this is 太气
2006 WTF😮
太気拳に「黒帯」なんかないのだが？
「練士」「教士」「範士」の３種類しかない。
karate is NO DOUBT, stronger than Kung Fu!!
まあ何でもやる人によるだろうけど、この動画の太氣拳側はお粗末過ぎるだろ。
素人目に見てもほとんどの打撃に対応できてないし、打たれ弱すぎる。他の人も
言ってるけど、理論以前に、まず基礎体力や筋力を鍛えないと話しにならない
ことがよく分かる動画だったな。
真剣勝負。
I am a chinese, I can tell you all that it is not tai chi at all!
私は中国から、私はこれが太極拳されていないと言うことができる
ナレーター？は大槻ケンヂかな？
太气拳和太极拳是两码事
別に編集などされてないだろ(笑) 見たまんま。
他の映像では、太気拳が極真といい勝負したり、勝ってる人もいる。
それも事実だろ。
ただ総じて極真のほうが体力的に勝っている.。
太気拳で強い人は空手出身者が多い。
そして激しい組手をやってきた。
立禅だけで強くなったのではないの。
組手やったから。
極真も当てる激しい組手やったので強い空手になった。
現在、太気拳でも組手をやらない道場が増えた。
頭でっかちな妄想オタク弟子も増えて、極真より強いと信じている。
それも事実。
bueno bueno
its not a Tai Chi.
叫跳舞的來跟極真的打.找截拳的來打ㄚ~
極真空手はすごいよ。
たぶん、交流戦だし防具なしだから７～8分ぐらいの力しか出してないと思う。
もしかしたらもっと出してないかも。
@gakuseilife
「やらない」って言うファイターはファイターではない。
あからさまに勝つ選手用意してきて、「やろう」ってのもどうかと思う。
Поэтому китайцы японцам и проиграли когда те их окупировали
これ体重差があるんじゃない？空手の方はエースばかり出てますよね。
@lalupa777
負けたら商売にならんでしょう。
Sawai great master but bad teacher
ひえー、グローブなしで顔面ありなの？＠ｗ＠
お互い、交流目的だから本気で打ち込んではいないだろうね。下手に入ったら死んじゃうし。
でも、面白いな～。
松井さんは本気の顔面ストレートパンチをぶち込んでたけどね。それ食らって笑って立ち上がる島田さんも神経ぶっとんでるけど。太気の人は実戦慣れしてる
Wang Shu Jin (Bagua) demo in Japan challenged by Judo and Karatekas and promptly defeated all of them. Not to say Kungfu is better but this video certainly do no justice to real kungfu.
ITS NOT TRUE TAICHI(pronouncation of Chinese)
There are many films about FAKE(or weak) Chinese KungFu master are defeated by KARATE
a wushu-well known person knows KARATE is another form
of Chinese Kung-Fu , and Japanese made it local and become a great WU-SHU(In Chinese it equals to martial)
@gakuseilife
？？話ができないなら絡まないでほしい・・・
karate vs what???
@rasii111
エース出してきてるのわかっててエースじゃないので向かえ打つのもどうかと思う