We just did a 3,500 mile trip to Mississippi and back through Carlsbad, Ruidoso, Santa Fe New Mexico and then back through Eastern Arizona to home, Sierra Vista, Arizona. We pulled our 26' travel trailer weighing 5,500lbs. My '21 Big Horn with the 5.7 non etorq and 3.92's did a great job. Averaged 11.1 mpg.
I’ll be traveling from AK to NM and driving a roughly large amount of miles similar to what you’ve driven. I’m glad to hear your journey with the 21’ Big Horn went well. It gives me comfort knowing that as I will also be using my 21’ Big Horn for towing my trailer as well. You had no problems down the road at all?
We drove a 10k pound bumper pull RV from Dallas, TX to Lake Powell, Arizona and then on to the south rim of the Grand Canyon. Towing at 70 and 75 the truck lived at 3,000rpm and often at 4,000rpm over a 2,400 mile trip and temps of 109 and 110. It was an absolute beast. I needed to manage the shifts and limit the gears in the mountains. The truck has a 6” lift and 37” tires. It did incredibly well, it had power for days. It’s a 2019 RAM 1,500 with 40k miles.
I have a 2019 RAM 1500 Rebel HEMI V8 with 3.92 and air suspension. I tow trailers long distance 7,800 and 4000Lbs and had no issues; the air suspension is amazing and works flawlessly - zero issues. On hwy when towing I run in 7th gear and when going uphill goes to 6th gear but on flat i saw even running in 8th speed. I think 3.92 is better for towing but maybe not as fuel efficient as 3.21. I changed the transmission fluids once as recommended by the dealer and transmission runs perfect no issues.
The 3.21 has 81% of the towing power of the 3.92. The 3.92 pretty much has 20% more power ratio than the 3.21. I have had them both and I do feel the difference. The only benefit it’s gas mileage is better in 3.21. You do get 2-3 miles better gas mileage.
I've decided a 2024 ram rebel gt with melling high volume oil pump an engine oil cooler & an external transmission cooler added will to my 7500 lb travel trailer with no problem as I tend to maintenance a little more frequently than recommended maybe 1k sooner I also really like the price pro hitch as it always has worked well for me
Keep up the good work. Out of everyone on RUclips doing towing reviews you are the best as your reviews are most relatable to the real world and hiw people will actualy tow.
I love my 5.7 hemi. It may not top the charts in every metric but it gets the job done, sounds good doing it and rides decently in my Bighorn. My 3rd 5.7 and I have yet to want another drivetrain.
My 5.7 Tundra is made in Texas lol but I know what you mean. They're generally more reliable than the big 3 but the downside is a bit less capabilities depending on trim and bad gas mileage.
@@Pantelifts10 True, but sometimes people do want less gadgets, and features on a truck. The 5.7 Iforce doesn't have MDS does it? People prefer toyota/nissan because they don't keep up with the latest technology in vehicles like GM/RAM/FORD
@@Oakshanglol gotta admit if my chevy avalanche with afm acts up again after a full lifter swap and new cam I'm going to the tundra no active fuel management or MDS
I think the 3.21 makes the most sense. I’ve towed a TT ~ 6500lbs and man- going down hill is scary. And that’s with the trailer brake controller. I never lacked for power- but I couldn’t imagine towing more weight (e.g 12k) and going down hill. If you are going over 8000 lbs just get a bigger truck.
great video. Learned a lot. Driviung from Vancouver to Norton starting in 3 days. My RAM 1500 5.3/8 Towing a 14x7 enclosed with personal furniture. Just bought the truck the other day. This is gonna be fun.
Thank you for doing this review. I have a 2019 Ram 1500 with 2wd 5.7 Hemi with 3.21 gears and I pull a 7700 LB RV Camper. I think it does very well and I pretty much stay around 6th gear most of time pulling. I got skittish on using the Cruise Control because of the amount of downshifting that occurs but i think I'm going to try it out on the next trip. I average 9.5 MPG so maybe cruise control it might do better with all the extra shifting. I also have a mild Flowmaster exhaust installed on it sounds great at any RPM. When I first bought this truck it was mainly for daily driving and never thought I would be towing anything with it. Now i own a 2022 Grand Design 260RB Travel Trailer at the max is 7700 lbs and it comes in a 31.5 in length. I do use a Weight Distributing hitch but i feel you will always feel more sway because of the coil overs verses a planted leaf spring set up. I still enjoy it and nots a white knuckle experience.
Greetings Alex; I was waiting your vidio; Thank's and CONGRATULATIONS I finally heard what I wanted from the 5.7 liter HEMI. More and more the 5.7 hemi engine becomes more reliable and performs well. The truth is that it continues to amaze me more and more when compared to other engines like the 5.0 liter Coyote from Ford and the 5.3 liter from GM. HEMI 5.7 Lts. you have a mostly fierce fan! Big HUG from CDMX! 😊
I'd run an external transmission cooler as well as an engine oil cooler & catch can on the hemi as I do live in South Florida so I'd run it like that even if I didn't tow
As someone else Mentioned I’d like to see you do the latest Titan. I know they don’t sell them in Canada anymore but if you could get your hands on a used regular 1/2 ton with the 9 speed that would be awesome.
I honestly kinda feel like the 6.2 gm motor competes more with the 5.0 coyote and 5.7 hemi, in terms of power, this test would be really cool if you were also able to tow with a 6.2 and also add that to the comparison
Nah the 6.2 is Gms premium engine like Fords Ecoboost option. The 5.0 5.7 and 5.3 engines are what 90% of workers are using and buying in their preferable brand. This is a based comparison. The 6.2 is the comp to the 3.5
Nope you’re feeling’s are wrong because your a GM boy, it’s like me saying I just kinda feel like the 6.2 trx should be compared the the gmc 6.2 at4…. Lmao you see that’s how you sound to 99.9% of the men in this reply room am I right guys give me a thumbs up if u all agree 👍
I love how you always admit to being a little bias but still lay out the facts. I actually prefer the coil suspension over leaf because the ride quality is drastically better. I got the air bags tthat sit in the coils so a litttle air and no more squat. Only ever had one air bag burst tthat was towing an 9000 pound trailer on a rough ass highway in -40. The hemi with a vararam intake, 90mm throttle body and 3.92 gears and she tows like a dream. Out of all the 1500s ive used ill take mine anyday for towing.
I’ve got a Ram 2017 Cummins 2500 and it tows like a beast, but it is punishing when unladen. If I was to swap rigs, the 5.7 gas looks like a great choice for my not-often towing.
I just bought a 2015 Nissan titan I hope I have better luck with this I been a Mopar guy for a while, but after this last ram truck, it was time to go to something else.
19.2 l/100km is quite a bit better than what we get towing our 6000 lb travel trailer. we typically get 22-25 l/100 km.. same engine, same 321 gears, same truck. we drove that section of hwy 2 this summer at 100 kph and that's what we got. engine breaking on that downhill doesn't happen towing a travel trailer. aerodynamic drag is hugely different towing a 10 ft tall, 8 ft wide box! we typically tow at 100 kph, at 110 fuel economy drops to the 26-28 l/100km range. we did pull a long steep hill near gaspesie(gaspe peninsula a couple of years ago(17% grade) at wide open throttle, 70-80 kph, saw the fuel consumption go to 99 l/100 km going up, down the other side, also 17% grade, consumption went down to almost zero. it's a long steep hill, steepest i've ever seen on a provincial highway
love the vids!! a suggestion tho... it would be really cool if u would get like a banks idash or something wer we could monitor all temps on the vehicles
High ATF Temperature: This, together with modern low viscosity ATF , has been "programmed" by the manufacturer to help every little bit with fuel economy and decrease the transmission's life span. There's a bypass valve/ ATF thermostat in the lines going to towards the cooler. Get rid of it and enjoy cooler ATF Temperatures and a longer service life.
Look like an e-torque hemi. Which I think cuts into the towing and payload numbers with that extra battery. Also, were you in tow/haul mode? When I tow with that truck, in tow/haul mode, I never get to the 8th gear. I also have the 3.21 ratio. Love it. Mostly a daily driver. But when I need to pass while towing up a mountain, that hemi just keeps accelerating!
Your spot on with the 5.0, I had 2 trucks with it one had 331 gears the other had 373. The 331 truck was good but it definitely had to rev to maintain speed with a trailer. The 373 truck is much better on the same road pulling the same load it would stay a gear higher and pull at about 500-750 rpm lower than the 331 truck
I’ve got the 2019 I’ve owned it since brand new an I love mine it’s one of the solid ones I’ve put 200 thousand plus km now in going to do a suspension lift 6 inch on mine now cause the suspension is getting a bit too soft now all with the 6 inch lift I’ll be getting all new steering parts and suspension parts , i stay on top of the oil changes I’ve already changed the trans fluid I’ve still got to change my axle fluids and transfer case too . But I’ve got none of the usual problems the 5.7 have valve tick and the exhaust head tick . Yha I love my RAM
@@Clamjammer it’s screaming 500rpm more than the hemi. Similar fuel economy loaded and way better than the hemi unloaded. Also considerably lighter on its feet. The coyote also has a more reliable track record.
Should be better to get the power down at lower rpm that wind the crap out of it to get to the power band. I think the 392 gears would really help. My 2023 Warlock has the 355 gears and the 3.6 as i am pretty sure the 355 are standard with the tow package? i also have the limited slip
I must say, I have done too many cam and lifter jobs and exhaust manifold reseals to want a 5.7 hemi, but the performance was very nice. It is tuned to shift the transmission wisely unlike the 5.3 and possibly l(can't remember) the coyote 5.0 with constant gear hunting. The gear ratios are what they are whether a direct comparison or not because the trucks that have been tested here I'd say generally have the most standard equipment. As a heavy truck mechanic, automotive mechanic (engine and electrical,) and now a transmission mechanic, I have to take the transmissions as serious as the engines. Not so much the transmissions themselves, but the tuning. Gms v8 trucks have awful tuning engine and trans. I feel that ford has very good tuning, but this ram with the zf is also very good. Just my 2 cents.. lol that and probably $4 now may buy a cup of coffee at an American Waffle House. This isn't including tip...
I can't say enough good things about the ZF 8 speed. really solid units. the 5.7L is what it is , its not perfect but most people seem to have good luck with it.
@nickgrant42 I honestly haven't done any work to an Iforce 5.7. I'd say that's a great thing. They sound good, make good power, ect. I think the biggest complaint a person would have on them is they are a little thirsty, but that is what a corolla is for.. lol
The Ram transmission tuning is a very underrated aspect of all Ram trucks (including the 68rfe despite its reliability) that’s made me a Ram fan boy and hate the GM trucks I’ve driven as of recent. Ram makes trucks that are very enjoyable to drive in my opinion
dayumn I think your better than TFL Truck! I kove these towing video with the Meductic hill is a good place to test em! I'm from upnorth at Edmundston loll thanks man for your videos!
Think you're spot on regarding the gearing on the Hemi- my better half has a 2020 e-Torque Hemi with 3.92's; its max towing is over 11,000 lbs. We haven't put it to the test... yet. Hope you test an e-Torque Hemi with 3.92's in the future; the e-Torque is supposed to add up to 130 ft/lbs. of torque at the bottom end and my guess is that it would shame all three trucks towing wise. One thing I'd add is that the standard fuel tank is on the small size (23 gal. iirc) which means more frequent stops while towing. At my age that's not necessarily a bad thing 😉 but if we were buying again I'd be looking for a larger fuel tank along with the 3.92's. In my view the 3.21's seriously compromise the truck.
Would you do a tow test with Chevys 6.2L? I own a 17 High Country with this engine. I like it and it still get decent fuel economy. It's a screamer that's for sure. Cheers and great video on Hemi
I had a really scary nightmare last where I went outside and saw a Ram and a Chevy in the driveway. I woke up screaming and running outside. Thankfully though, to my absolute relief, my Ford was still there..
That's excellent fuel economy for that truck and load. I have a 2024 GMC 2500HD with the Duramax and it gets horrible MPG towing, it'll get 21 driving and 13 towing a little 3500# load. I'd probably be in single digits towing that load.
When comparing engines, you compare the Chevrolet 5.3 L and the Ford 5 L but you discount the 5.6 L from Nissan. Now I get it, Nissan is discontinuing the Titan in 2024, but it actually makes more horsepower per liter and more torque per liter than the 5.7 and is the closest comparable size at 5.6 L. In addition, when you look at the torque curve between the Dodge and the Nissan, they are very comparable.
I had one of the original 5.6 Titan's for 9 years and I will say that engine was fantastic. I have since had 2 hemi Rams which are super smooth and powerful but in terms of low end Torque I would say the Titan has everyone else beat. The thing is their are so few sold not sure how relevant it is.
It’s hard to tell from the video, but how is the steering pulling the max weight? And by steering, I’m referring to the steering wheel. Is it staying centered or is the weight causing the steering to be out of center? My 2021 Rebel’s steering wheel is almost at the 1 o’clock position when I have the bed halfway loaded and was told by dealership that it’s normal. Sure doesn’t feel normal and besides, it’s never done that before. Even without any weight in the bed, the steering wheel is off centered. Again, they say it’s normal.
Hi , I’ve been following your videos. Listen to this. I have a 2017, looking for a ‘24 model with a 5.7Hemi, with no E torque, what I came across on some tech data, some trucks have cast iron engine blocks other have aluminum engine blocks, does this hinder the lifespan of the truck and performance, please share your thoughts, as I found this interesting and concerning, something one should consider when purchasing? thx.
Looks like you'll have to compare the 2025 1500 with the HO Hurricane and the new Ram Charger in the future.... I'm gonna guess the Ram Charger will be impressive.
Would the e-torque make any difference? I don't trust my e-torque at all. Sorry I bought it, and after your review on the cam shafts being raised adding to failures I'm sick.
yeah the 3.21 isn't helping. That maybe why the transmission was warmer in the front side of your loop. 4.10's and you would have had a towing machine. especially if you'd had manual shift for the ZF8HD. That is the best transmission of the three. Ram really misses the mark removing column and center console shifters, that and the stupid horn beep if you get out of the truck with the Key Fob in your pocket, with your engine idling. That engineer should be fired. I was rooting for the 5.7 and it still almost overcome the 3.21 gears. 'Note to smellantis' you should have put the 5.7 in the Gladiator. Great review and video as always, Alex. Best regards Chuck.
I use my ram 1500 5.7 with the 3.21 gears for junk removal. I tow a 12ftLx6.5ftWx5.5ftH Lamar Dump trailer. It tows great. Wondering how long my transmission will last. Im at 100,000mi on the odometer.
The hemi, should be sold only with 3.92 gear ratio. Every person in the world deserves to experience of the high gear ratio with hemi. It floats like an electrical car, and you have a feel of your engine behavior as you drive. Adding on the 8 speed transmission makes it an art. Unfortunately fiat is cheap metal cabin quality, that’s their only knock on my part and certain parts underneath it should upgrade to Semi aluminum materials. I would have payed price difference for the additional quality.
*highly interested in a battle or comparison rather of 2nd or third gen 5.9 Cummins 2500 vs 2021 ram 1500. Both have similar towing capacity. Wondering if the 2500 is better for towing ?
Are you sure that isn’t a 3.92 axle? My ford with a 3.73 and the same final trans ratio is at 1750 at 70mph at top gear, where you were at 2000 top gear
Hi Alex, I believe you like this truck just a little.. :) But, would you sell your beloved Power Wagon for a new 1500 5.7? It's chilling down in the south today too, atm 63f and cloudy in NC. Have a great week.
We used a 2023 ram 1500 with a 5.7 this year pulling a 18' landscaping trailer on a tree job, hauling tree remains and it was sad how much it struggled with a few ton in tow. I had a 2000 half ton Chevy with a 5.3 and it pulled my gooseneck that is 5000# empty with a car on it better than the ram pulled a light trailer.
I never worry about which engine is quicker, neither should you. If it's that important then you need to be in the 6.2 or the 3.5 ecoboost, not the 5.0 either. So clearly if you're interested in the 5.0, you have reasons other than WOT 0 to 60 runs. The hemi is a simple, reliable engine, admittedly its also old and hasn't been updated in 14 years. It's actually impressive that the hemi is still that competitive with engines that have had solid refreshes. How many refreshes hasn't the 5.0 had since 2009 when the hemi last updated? Back in 2009 it crushed the competition, but time moves on. As for the heat, that's a tuning issue. Remove the active grill shutters up front, drop in a 180 thermostat, and you can also buy a $30 part for the transmission to keep the tranmission cooler loop open; once you do all that the heating issues are non-existant, speaking from experience here as a 2019 hemi owner. All those things mentioned were designed that way to keep the hemi hot, it helps with MPG and emission type issues.
@@sprint2648 Yes, and the hemi was originally designed back in 2005, it was last updated in 2009. The fact that it's still running hard with the competition is amazing. It's a strong running engine and is one I feel most confident in owning in a half ton when it comes to gas engines. Used parts alone are everywhere, meaning I can run it for decades and not worry about it.
I owned a 2019 5.7 ltr 4x4 with 3.73 gears when I first got behind the wheel I asked the salesman who stole the other 2 cylinders this thing didn't tow worth crap no power fuel economy was the worst I ever saw when towing I sold this junk at 32 thousand kms never looked back.
So smallest displacement did the best. So the idea of bigger is better is false. Not to mention the 5 liter is the only one of the 3 that’s dual injection not direct injected
They call it a hemi, but quite honestly it doesn't have hemispherical pistons. IE not a true hemi, just a marketing gimmick. does the engine perform, yes. I own one but am ashamed to hear it called a hemi.
Well, it still doesn't impress me even a little bit. I've towed with a Hemi 3.92 and my 365hp/420lbft 2016 3.5 EB with 3.31 was better by far. You clearly show the bias. Grins every time you say "5.7 Hemi". Looking at the 2020 engine dyno shows what I have said about the N/A V8s. It makes me sick to hear V8s have "good low-end torque" low end is not 4000rpm, especially when redline is 5600-6000rpm. That is clearly in the upper mid band. I don't even consider the 3.5EB 500lbft@3100rpm low-end(it has more than 450lbft@2000rpm). The hemi with 413lbft@4100 is still lacking compared to the original 3.5EBs 420lbft@2500. I dont care what motor is under the hood of whatever truck. There just needs to have real torque art a real useful RPM. So 3.5EB and 7.3V8 are the base gas choices. Everything else is better suited in a car(less load). Personally, diesel is the only way to go as every single one on the market has a peak below 1800rpm. The Cummins 6.7 is the highest on the market currently, previous record was 6.0 PSD tied with the LB7 jukamax
@miltonzinn8732 what are you talking about? I care about efficiency, and diesels clearly walk gas motors for efficiency. A gas F350 with the 4.30 axle gets 8mpg at 28000lbs(max GCWR). The same 4.30 axle in the diesel F450(46,700lbs max GCWR) gets slightly better than 8mpg. If you look at the actual work being done(total weight moved) the diesel nearly twice as efficient while the tire size(half inch difference), axle ratio, and transmission are all the same. Torque is the part that does all the work, because HP is a rating for how fast a certain amount of work gets done Example 400hp@6000rpm is 350lbft Yet 400hp@1800rpm is 1167lbft They are the Horsepower rating. But vastly different is PHYSICAL CAPABILITY
@@jnk26 yes, those are all numbers. The point you were making though, at least how I understood it, is you want 100% torque and power right from idle. Therefore, go electric. You can’t expect an engine to make full power without energy. A gas motor usually makes peak torque around 3-4k rpm with a 7k redline. A diesel does peak around 1.6-1.9k with a 3-4k redline. Again, we’re talking about 40% of redline. You used a lot of numbers to say both engines make peak torque around 40% of redline.
@miltonzinn8732 All the V8 gasser are 5600rpm redline(except the 5.0 at 6k). 4000rpm in 2/3 the way to redline(5.0 only) the 4100rpm for the 5.3, 5.7, 6.2, 5.6 is 1500rpm below the 5600rpm redline. 3300rpm over the idle(800rpm is clutch engagement) that's almost 3/4 the way to the top. Where diesels V8s are 3400rpm redline(not much up there) and it I6 doesn't roll much beyond 3100. With the HP peaks at 2600(Ford) and 2800(Durajunk and Cummins), the peak torque comes in at 1600(Ford) and 1800 for the others. 800 and 1000rpm higher than Clutch engagement(off idle torque measurement rpm for semi trucks).less than 1/3 the useful rpm band. Now what makes the diesel appealing to me, is the . fact that the torque is at a usable rp. while driving down the highway. Not needing to downshift 5 or 6 gears to pull a hill with a load, and the load can be significant and still get decent mileage. Because the engine working in its peak BMEP means it can do the most work with the least amount of fuel, this always happens near the peak torque. Now that diesel electric hybrid that Edison motors has developed, is on a front that would work for me. You could put a 350hp Cummins 6.7 in their truck and still get by just fine because it's only needs the peak output when running in parallel with the batteries(it can run direct, charge only or hybrid) you could make a similar system in a small car with a Small rotory generator(Mazda is developing this as a range extender). With enough battery on board to supply a few full load pulls, you can get by with a smaller, more efficient charging point. making the system work with balance of strong performance, and efficient recharging. With less emissions as the charging motor will operate at a set load(less soot). Ballard did this in transit buses back in the mid-2000s. We now have better electrical components that can handle more current efficiently.
We just did a 3,500 mile trip to Mississippi and back through Carlsbad, Ruidoso, Santa Fe New Mexico and then back through Eastern Arizona to home, Sierra Vista, Arizona. We pulled our 26' travel trailer weighing 5,500lbs. My '21 Big Horn with the 5.7 non etorq and 3.92's did a great job. Averaged 11.1 mpg.
I’ll be traveling from AK to NM and driving a roughly large amount of miles similar to what you’ve driven. I’m glad to hear your journey with the 21’ Big Horn went well. It gives me comfort knowing that as I will also be using my 21’ Big Horn for towing my trailer as well. You had no problems down the road at all?
We drove a 10k pound bumper pull RV from Dallas, TX to Lake Powell, Arizona and then on to the south rim of the Grand Canyon. Towing at 70 and 75 the truck lived at 3,000rpm and often at 4,000rpm over a 2,400 mile trip and temps of 109 and 110. It was an absolute beast. I needed to manage the shifts and limit the gears in the mountains. The truck has a 6” lift and 37” tires. It did incredibly well, it had power for days. It’s a 2019 RAM 1,500 with 40k miles.
I have a 2019 RAM 1500 Rebel HEMI V8 with 3.92 and air suspension. I tow trailers long distance 7,800 and 4000Lbs and had no issues; the air suspension is amazing and works flawlessly - zero issues. On hwy when towing I run in 7th gear and when going uphill goes to 6th gear but on flat i saw even running in 8th speed. I think 3.92 is better for towing but maybe not as fuel efficient as 3.21. I changed the transmission fluids once as recommended by the dealer and transmission runs perfect no issues.
The 3.21 has 81% of the towing power of the 3.92. The 3.92 pretty much has 20% more power ratio than the 3.21. I have had them both and I do feel the difference. The only benefit it’s gas mileage is better in 3.21. You do get 2-3 miles better gas mileage.
I've decided a 2024 ram rebel gt with melling high volume oil pump an engine oil cooler & an external transmission cooler added will to my 7500 lb travel trailer with no problem as I tend to maintenance a little more frequently than recommended maybe 1k sooner I also really like the price pro hitch as it always has worked well for me
That 5.7 Hemi can actually pull more than that with no problem.👍🏾
Not for long I found out the hard way…. By by transmission…
The zf8 speed crapped out? They have a great reputation.
Keep up the good work.
Out of everyone on RUclips doing towing reviews you are the best as your reviews are most relatable to the real world and hiw people will actualy tow.
I would like to see how the 5.7 with 3.92 against the other 1500 engines.
It won’t change anything. The truck will just be a gear higher but with the same rpms
It changes a lot actually. My previous truck had 3.92 and my new truck has 3.21. 3.92 struggles much less on take off and hills.
@@sledforpeace That is just wrong...
@@sledforpeacedo you have velcro shoes or laces?
I love my 5.7 hemi. It may not top the charts in every metric but it gets the job done, sounds good doing it and rides decently in my Bighorn. My 3rd 5.7 and I have yet to want another drivetrain.
5.0 has dual fuel injection, but I loved my 5.7 with 392 rear end. 👌
Can you do a test of the Nissan titan, and the Toyota Tundra 5.7? I enjoy the american trucks, but I want to see how the Japanese trucks compare!
My 5.7 Tundra is made in Texas lol but I know what you mean. They're generally more reliable than the big 3 but the downside is a bit less capabilities depending on trim and bad gas mileage.
@@Pantelifts10 True, but sometimes people do want less gadgets, and features on a truck. The 5.7 Iforce doesn't have MDS does it? People prefer toyota/nissan because they don't keep up with the latest technology in vehicles like GM/RAM/FORD
They’re more American than the ram!
@@Oakshanglol gotta admit if my chevy avalanche with afm acts up again after a full lifter swap and new cam I'm going to the tundra no active fuel management or MDS
Sadly the Toyota isn't available with the 5.7 since 2022 and the Titan is discontinued. 😕
I think the 3.21 makes the most sense. I’ve towed a TT ~ 6500lbs and man- going down hill is scary. And that’s with the trailer brake controller. I never lacked for power- but I couldn’t imagine towing more weight (e.g 12k) and going down hill. If you are going over 8000 lbs just get a bigger truck.
Especially since the truck has the same final drive, I’ll put after gear three as the 3.92.
I really can’t wait to see how the 3.0 duramax compares on these tests
can't wait to compare it to the 3L Duramax
great video. Learned a lot. Driviung from Vancouver to Norton starting in 3 days. My RAM 1500 5.3/8 Towing a 14x7 enclosed with personal furniture. Just bought the truck the other day. This is gonna be fun.
Always enjoy the videos, but so far seems that f150 ecoboost is the best tower you have driven on the channel.
Thank you for doing this review. I have a 2019 Ram 1500 with 2wd 5.7 Hemi with 3.21 gears and I pull a 7700 LB RV Camper. I think it does very well and I pretty much stay around 6th gear most of time pulling. I got skittish on using the Cruise Control because of the amount of downshifting that occurs but i think I'm going to try it out on the next trip. I average 9.5 MPG so maybe cruise control it might do better with all the extra shifting. I also have a mild Flowmaster exhaust installed on it sounds great at any RPM. When I first bought this truck it was mainly for daily driving and never thought I would be towing anything with it. Now i own a 2022 Grand Design 260RB Travel Trailer at the max is 7700 lbs and it comes in a 31.5 in length. I do use a Weight Distributing hitch but i feel you will always feel more sway because of the coil overs verses a planted leaf spring set up. I still enjoy it and nots a white knuckle experience.
Greetings Alex; I was waiting your vidio; Thank's and CONGRATULATIONS I finally heard what I wanted from the 5.7 liter HEMI.
More and more the 5.7 hemi engine becomes more reliable and performs well. The truth is that it continues to amaze me more and more when compared to other engines like the 5.0 liter Coyote from Ford and the 5.3 liter from GM. HEMI 5.7 Lts. you have a mostly fierce fan!
Big HUG from CDMX! 😊
Happy you liked it sir!
I'd run an external transmission cooler as well as an engine oil cooler & catch can on the hemi as I do live in South Florida so I'd run it like that even if I didn't tow
6.4 hemi next.
As someone else
Mentioned I’d like to see you do the latest Titan. I know they don’t sell them in Canada anymore but if you could get your hands on a used regular 1/2 ton with the 9 speed that would be awesome.
I honestly kinda feel like the 6.2 gm motor competes more with the 5.0 coyote and 5.7 hemi, in terms of power, this test would be really cool if you were also able to tow with a 6.2 and also add that to the comparison
Nah the 6.2 is Gms premium engine like Fords Ecoboost option. The 5.0 5.7 and 5.3 engines are what 90% of workers are using and buying in their preferable brand. This is a based comparison. The 6.2 is the comp to the 3.5
Nope you’re feeling’s are wrong because your a GM boy, it’s like me saying I just kinda feel like the 6.2 trx should be compared the the gmc 6.2 at4…. Lmao you see that’s how you sound to 99.9% of the men in this reply room am I right guys give me a thumbs up if u all agree 👍
I wonder how the rebel gt with the 3:90 gear would do I'm sure it'd be exceptional
I love how you always admit to being a little bias but still lay out the facts. I actually prefer the coil suspension over leaf because the ride quality is drastically better. I got the air bags tthat sit in the coils so a litttle air and no more squat. Only ever had one air bag burst tthat was towing an 9000 pound trailer on a rough ass highway in -40. The hemi with a vararam intake, 90mm throttle body and 3.92 gears and she tows like a dream. Out of all the 1500s ive used ill take mine anyday for towing.
I’ve got a Ram 2017 Cummins 2500 and it tows like a beast, but it is punishing when unladen. If I was to swap rigs, the 5.7 gas looks like a great choice for my not-often towing.
Through some sand bags in the bead when not towing
When you towing something is necessary put the tow haul in the ram
no its not necessary, just helps the towing experience.
I wish Ram added the 392 V8 on the 1500 I don't mind loosing a few mpg but the punch it will pack would knock out the other trucks for sure.
My 2018 Chevy 6.2L towed very well. Didn’t mean much since my lifters failed at 110,000 miles though. Just traded it on a 2024 ram 5.7 321 gears
What do you think is the best half ton at this moment for all around purposes including towing/hauling and reliability of course
I just bought a 2015 Nissan titan I hope I have better luck with this I been a Mopar guy for a while, but after this last ram truck, it was time to go to something else.
19.2 l/100km is quite a bit better than what we get towing our 6000 lb travel trailer. we typically get 22-25 l/100 km.. same engine, same 321 gears, same truck. we drove that section of hwy 2 this summer at 100 kph and that's what we got. engine breaking on that downhill doesn't happen towing a travel trailer. aerodynamic drag is hugely different towing a 10 ft tall, 8 ft wide box! we typically tow at 100 kph, at 110 fuel economy drops to the 26-28 l/100km range. we did pull a long steep hill near gaspesie(gaspe peninsula a couple of years ago(17% grade) at wide open throttle, 70-80 kph, saw the fuel consumption go to 99 l/100 km going up, down the other side, also 17% grade, consumption went down to almost zero. it's a long steep hill, steepest i've ever seen on a provincial highway
love the vids!! a suggestion tho... it would be really cool if u would get like a banks idash or something wer we could monitor all temps on the vehicles
Now that you are all up to date on the half tons, you should throw the Power Wagon into the mix for one loop.
High ATF Temperature:
This, together with modern low viscosity ATF , has been "programmed" by the manufacturer to help every little bit with fuel economy and decrease the transmission's life span.
There's a bypass valve/ ATF thermostat in the lines going to towards the cooler.
Get rid of it and enjoy cooler ATF Temperatures and a longer service life.
Look like an e-torque hemi. Which I think cuts into the towing and payload numbers with that extra battery. Also, were you in tow/haul mode? When I tow with that truck, in tow/haul mode, I never get to the 8th gear. I also have the 3.21 ratio. Love it. Mostly a daily driver. But when I need to pass while towing up a mountain, that hemi just keeps accelerating!
Your spot on with the 5.0, I had 2 trucks with it one had 331 gears the other had 373. The 331 truck was good but it definitely had to rev to maintain speed with a trailer. The 373 truck is much better on the same road pulling the same load it would stay a gear higher and pull at about 500-750 rpm lower than the 331 truck
I’ve got the 2019 I’ve owned it since brand new an I love mine it’s one of the solid ones I’ve put 200 thousand plus km now in going to do a suspension lift 6 inch on mine now cause the suspension is getting a bit too soft now all with the 6 inch lift I’ll be getting all new steering parts and suspension parts , i stay on top of the oil changes I’ve already changed the trans fluid I’ve still got to change my axle fluids and transfer case too . But I’ve got none of the usual problems the 5.7 have valve tick and the exhaust head tick . Yha I love my RAM
You are making me want to buy a Ford 5.0 coyote. Still the most impressive standard v8
The 5.0 is always screaming when towing heavy. The torque curve of the hemi is better for towing comfort
@@Clamjammer it’s screaming 500rpm more than the hemi. Similar fuel economy loaded and way better than the hemi unloaded. Also considerably lighter on its feet. The coyote also has a more reliable track record.
@@joshuaatkinson5810your wrong
@@jwebb4423 I own both…. Wife has a new ram 1500 and I have a 2020 f150. The 5.0 is better at everything.
@@joshuaatkinson5810I also own both and the ram I cannot even tell I'm towing anything it also has airbags on the back
Should be better to get the power down at lower rpm that wind the crap out of it to get to the power band. I think the 392 gears would really help. My 2023 Warlock has the 355 gears and the 3.6 as i am pretty sure the 355 are standard with the tow package? i also have the limited slip
I must say, I have done too many cam and lifter jobs and exhaust manifold reseals to want a 5.7 hemi, but the performance was very nice. It is tuned to shift the transmission wisely unlike the 5.3 and possibly l(can't remember) the coyote 5.0 with constant gear hunting. The gear ratios are what they are whether a direct comparison or not because the trucks that have been tested here I'd say generally have the most standard equipment. As a heavy truck mechanic, automotive mechanic (engine and electrical,) and now a transmission mechanic, I have to take the transmissions as serious as the engines. Not so much the transmissions themselves, but the tuning. Gms v8 trucks have awful tuning engine and trans. I feel that ford has very good tuning, but this ram with the zf is also very good. Just my 2 cents.. lol that and probably $4 now may buy a cup of coffee at an American Waffle House. This isn't including tip...
What’s your opinion on the Tundra 5.7?
I can't say enough good things about the ZF 8 speed. really solid units. the 5.7L is what it is , its not perfect but most people seem to have good luck with it.
@nickgrant42 I honestly haven't done any work to an Iforce 5.7. I'd say that's a great thing. They sound good, make good power, ect. I think the biggest complaint a person would have on them is they are a little thirsty, but that is what a corolla is for.. lol
The Ram transmission tuning is a very underrated aspect of all Ram trucks (including the 68rfe despite its reliability) that’s made me a Ram fan boy and hate the GM trucks I’ve driven as of recent. Ram makes trucks that are very enjoyable to drive in my opinion
As much as I like to trash and poop on German engineering, I have to admit ZF got their shifting algorithms down pat to a science.👌😏👍
dayumn I think your better than TFL Truck! I kove these towing video with the Meductic hill is a good place to test em! I'm from upnorth at Edmundston loll thanks man for your videos!
Think you're spot on regarding the gearing on the Hemi- my better half has a 2020 e-Torque Hemi with 3.92's; its max towing is over 11,000 lbs. We haven't put it to the test... yet. Hope you test an e-Torque Hemi with 3.92's in the future; the e-Torque is supposed to add up to 130 ft/lbs. of torque at the bottom end and my guess is that it would shame all three trucks towing wise. One thing I'd add is that the standard fuel tank is on the small size (23 gal. iirc) which means more frequent stops while towing. At my age that's not necessarily a bad thing 😉 but if we were buying again I'd be looking for a larger fuel tank along with the 3.92's. In my view the 3.21's seriously compromise the truck.
13 ram 1500 hemi 2 wd great truck tow our 22 ft trailer anywhere no problem love it
Seems like the 8 speed and Hemi is well matched - no real need for a ten speed transmission.
Would you do a tow test with Chevys 6.2L? I own a 17 High Country with this engine. I like it and it still get decent fuel economy. It's a screamer that's for sure. Cheers and great video on Hemi
Would be interesting to see how it compares to the 5.7 Tundra withs it’s 4.10 rears… 2021 and older of course.
I had a really scary nightmare last where I went outside and saw a Ram and a Chevy in the driveway.
I woke up screaming and running outside. Thankfully though, to my absolute relief, my Ford was still there..
Great review!
Love my Hemi , it's been very reliable and looking forward to the HO Hurricane 😊
Ya I'm very intrigued with the inline 6 engine coming soon.
That's excellent fuel economy for that truck and load. I have a 2024 GMC 2500HD with the Duramax and it gets horrible MPG towing, it'll get 21 driving and 13 towing a little 3500# load. I'd probably be in single digits towing that load.
When comparing engines, you compare the Chevrolet 5.3 L and the Ford 5 L but you discount the 5.6 L from Nissan. Now I get it, Nissan is discontinuing the Titan in 2024, but it actually makes more horsepower per liter and more torque per liter than the 5.7 and is the closest comparable size at 5.6 L. In addition, when you look at the torque curve between the Dodge and the Nissan, they are very comparable.
I had one of the original 5.6 Titan's for 9 years and I will say that engine was fantastic. I have since had 2 hemi Rams which are super smooth and powerful but in terms of low end Torque I would say the Titan has everyone else beat. The thing is their are so few sold not sure how relevant it is.
I’m sure you can order them, but I wish more of the V8 rams came with 355 gears
It’s hard to tell from the video, but how is the steering pulling the max weight? And by steering, I’m referring to the steering wheel. Is it staying centered or is the weight causing the steering to be out of center? My 2021 Rebel’s steering wheel is almost at the 1 o’clock position when I have the bed halfway loaded and was told by dealership that it’s normal. Sure doesn’t feel normal and besides, it’s never done that before. Even without any weight in the bed, the steering wheel is off centered. Again, they say it’s normal.
If you had the cruise control on during the downhill it will use the brakes without any indication. That’s probably why it stayed close to 110
Hi , I’ve been following your videos. Listen to this. I have a 2017, looking for a ‘24 model with a 5.7Hemi, with no E torque, what I came across on some tech data, some trucks have cast iron engine blocks other have aluminum engine blocks, does this hinder the lifespan of the truck and performance, please share your thoughts, as I found this interesting and concerning, something one should consider when purchasing? thx.
I had a 2019 ram fifth generation I just got rid of it in July. I was so sick of fixing it they make nothing last anymore.
Where do you find these towing charts? I am a nerd about that kind of stuff
Looks like you'll have to compare the 2025 1500 with the HO Hurricane and the new Ram Charger in the future.... I'm gonna guess the Ram Charger will be impressive.
Please do a review of the new generation tundra 3.4TT
Would the e-torque make any difference? I don't trust my e-torque at all. Sorry I bought it, and after your review on the cam shafts being raised adding to failures I'm sick.
yeah the 3.21 isn't helping. That maybe why the transmission was warmer in the front side of your loop. 4.10's and you would have had a towing machine. especially if you'd had manual shift for the ZF8HD. That is the best transmission of the three. Ram really misses the mark removing column and center console shifters, that and the stupid horn beep if you get out of the truck with the Key Fob in your pocket, with your engine idling. That engineer should be fired. I was rooting for the 5.7 and it still almost overcome the 3.21 gears. 'Note to smellantis' you should have put the 5.7 in the Gladiator. Great review and video as always, Alex. Best regards Chuck.
Id like to see how the 6.2 Chevy stacks up
I use my ram 1500 5.7 with the 3.21 gears for junk removal. I tow a 12ftLx6.5ftWx5.5ftH Lamar Dump trailer. It tows great. Wondering how long my transmission will last. Im at 100,000mi on the odometer.
the ZF 8 speed transmissions are solid units. should hopefully hold up nicely for you.
Do you replace the transmission fluid regularly? ZF recommends 60k miles, so I'd go less than that if you're regularly towing.
The hemi, should be sold only with 3.92 gear ratio. Every person in the world deserves to experience of the high gear ratio with hemi. It floats like an electrical car, and you have a feel of your engine behavior as you drive. Adding on the 8 speed transmission makes it an art. Unfortunately fiat is cheap metal cabin quality, that’s their only knock on my part and certain parts underneath it should upgrade to Semi aluminum materials. I would have payed price difference for the additional quality.
Nissan Titan next?
*highly interested in a battle or comparison rather of 2nd or third gen 5.9 Cummins 2500 vs 2021 ram 1500. Both have similar towing capacity. Wondering if the 2500 is better for towing ?
Lets see the 6.4 powerwagon
I’m curious how 1/2 ton suvs would go on your test
What year is the 1500 you were driving?
last 2021 Tundra and Titan comparison???
Are you sure that isn’t a 3.92 axle? My ford with a 3.73 and the same final trans ratio is at 1750 at 70mph at top gear, where you were at 2000 top gear
My favourite channel :)
oh thank you
How come you aren’t using tow mode?
Love the reviews, but i like ford 5.0l. Mated to the 6r80 tranny. I have 3.55:1 ratio In my f150 and it tows smooth and doesnt hunt for gears
Put on something with some wind resistance
how much does this trailer weigh? empty. and how will the main gear 3.92 affect the consumption
"No replacement for displacement "says Alex......ah ya there is......3.5 Ecoboost 😂
2019 Ram Rebel tows almost any thing. Love my Ram V8.......
Say Alex, if you like the 1500/5.7 that much we can do a swap lol, I kinda like your PW!
You mean a higher final drive ratio, not lower.
Was going to say the same thing
Nissan and Toyota motors next!
You didn't mention the notorious hemi tick, or the transmission issues......
You obviously don’t know shit about these trucks if you think the ZF 8HP75 is a problem in these truck lol
Do a ram 3500 Cummins with 370 hp not the ho see how it tows the 14000 pounds
She's running a little warm there bud😂
What year RAM 1500 is this?
Im sold im getting a ram 1500
Titan xd 9-speed as 4.083axle
199 isnt even close to getting warm. Also, believing ram on its digital display for mpg is a big mistake.
Hi Alex, I believe you like this truck just a little.. :) But, would you sell your beloved Power Wagon for a new 1500 5.7? It's chilling down in the south today too, atm 63f and cloudy in NC. Have a great week.
We used a 2023 ram 1500 with a 5.7 this year pulling a 18' landscaping trailer on a tree job, hauling tree remains and it was sad how much it struggled with a few ton in tow. I had a 2000 half ton Chevy with a 5.3 and it pulled my gooseneck that is 5000# empty with a car on it better than the ram pulled a light trailer.
lifter issues still persisting
Saw in posting twice about this that effects 2% of 5.7 mostly around 100k mom. You should realize it also effects the 5.3 Silvarado and the GMC.
Can someone get him a 2024 5.6 Nissan Titan Pro4x?
Can you do a towing with the 8000 pounds with a new 5.7 eco-boost hemi?
Next on my list.
The Ford Coyote was quicker and this RAM runs too hot! How can you ignore that?
I never worry about which engine is quicker, neither should you. If it's that important then you need to be in the 6.2 or the 3.5 ecoboost, not the 5.0 either. So clearly if you're interested in the 5.0, you have reasons other than WOT 0 to 60 runs. The hemi is a simple, reliable engine, admittedly its also old and hasn't been updated in 14 years. It's actually impressive that the hemi is still that competitive with engines that have had solid refreshes. How many refreshes hasn't the 5.0 had since 2009 when the hemi last updated? Back in 2009 it crushed the competition, but time moves on. As for the heat, that's a tuning issue. Remove the active grill shutters up front, drop in a 180 thermostat, and you can also buy a $30 part for the transmission to keep the tranmission cooler loop open; once you do all that the heating issues are non-existant, speaking from experience here as a 2019 hemi owner. All those things mentioned were designed that way to keep the hemi hot, it helps with MPG and emission type issues.
In 2009 ford had the 5.4. The coyote was 2011
@@sprint2648 Yes, and the hemi was originally designed back in 2005, it was last updated in 2009. The fact that it's still running hard with the competition is amazing. It's a strong running engine and is one I feel most confident in owning in a half ton when it comes to gas engines. Used parts alone are everywhere, meaning I can run it for decades and not worry about it.
I owned a 2019 5.7 ltr 4x4 with 3.73 gears when I first got behind the wheel I asked the salesman who stole the other 2 cylinders this thing didn't tow worth crap no power fuel economy was the worst I ever saw when towing I sold this junk at 32 thousand kms never looked back.
lol fair enough, what did you end up buying?
So smallest displacement did the best. So the idea of bigger is better is false. Not to mention the 5 liter is the only one of the 3 that’s dual injection not direct injected
“HEMI fan loves driving a HEMI”
some bias may be present lol
@TheGettyAdventures some? You could be the next Sam Elliot fill in for 🐏 Ram commercials 😂😂😂😂
They call it a hemi, but quite honestly it doesn't have hemispherical pistons. IE not a true hemi, just a marketing gimmick. does the engine perform, yes. I own one but am ashamed to hear it called a hemi.
Torque comes in at 4500 not 1500.
Well, it still doesn't impress me even a little bit. I've towed with a Hemi 3.92 and my 365hp/420lbft 2016 3.5 EB with 3.31 was better by far. You clearly show the bias. Grins every time you say "5.7 Hemi". Looking at the 2020 engine dyno shows what I have said about the N/A V8s. It makes me sick to hear V8s have "good low-end torque" low end is not 4000rpm, especially when redline is 5600-6000rpm. That is clearly in the upper mid band. I don't even consider the 3.5EB 500lbft@3100rpm low-end(it has more than 450lbft@2000rpm). The hemi with 413lbft@4100 is still lacking compared to the original 3.5EBs 420lbft@2500. I dont care what motor is under the hood of whatever truck. There just needs to have real torque art a real useful RPM. So 3.5EB and 7.3V8 are the base gas choices. Everything else is better suited in a car(less load). Personally, diesel is the only way to go as every single one on the market has a peak below 1800rpm. The Cummins 6.7 is the highest on the market currently, previous record was 6.0 PSD tied with the LB7 jukamax
Buddy, what you took all that time to describe is electric. It sounds like you want an electric car, and there’s nothing wrong with that
@miltonzinn8732 what are you talking about? I care about efficiency, and diesels clearly walk gas motors for efficiency. A gas F350 with the 4.30 axle gets 8mpg at 28000lbs(max GCWR). The same 4.30 axle in the diesel F450(46,700lbs max GCWR) gets slightly better than 8mpg. If you look at the actual work being done(total weight moved) the diesel nearly twice as efficient while the tire size(half inch difference), axle ratio, and transmission are all the same. Torque is the part that does all the work, because HP is a rating for how fast a certain amount of work gets done
Example
400hp@6000rpm is 350lbft
Yet
400hp@1800rpm is 1167lbft
They are the Horsepower rating. But vastly different is PHYSICAL CAPABILITY
@@jnk26 yes, those are all numbers. The point you were making though, at least how I understood it, is you want 100% torque and power right from idle. Therefore, go electric. You can’t expect an engine to make full power without energy. A gas motor usually makes peak torque around 3-4k rpm with a 7k redline. A diesel does peak around 1.6-1.9k with a 3-4k redline. Again, we’re talking about 40% of redline. You used a lot of numbers to say both engines make peak torque around 40% of redline.
@miltonzinn8732 All the V8 gasser are 5600rpm redline(except the 5.0 at 6k). 4000rpm in 2/3 the way to redline(5.0 only) the 4100rpm for the 5.3, 5.7, 6.2, 5.6 is 1500rpm below the 5600rpm redline. 3300rpm over the idle(800rpm is clutch engagement) that's almost 3/4 the way to the top. Where diesels V8s are 3400rpm redline(not much up there) and it I6 doesn't roll much beyond 3100. With the HP peaks at 2600(Ford) and 2800(Durajunk and Cummins), the peak torque comes in at 1600(Ford) and 1800 for the others. 800 and 1000rpm higher than Clutch engagement(off idle torque measurement rpm for semi trucks).less than 1/3 the useful rpm band. Now what makes the diesel appealing to me, is the . fact that the torque is at a usable rp. while driving down the highway. Not needing to downshift 5 or 6 gears to pull a hill with a load, and the load can be significant and still get decent mileage. Because the engine working in its peak BMEP means it can do the most work with the least amount of fuel, this always happens near the peak torque. Now that diesel electric hybrid that Edison motors has developed, is on a front that would work for me. You could put a 350hp Cummins 6.7 in their truck and still get by just fine because it's only needs the peak output when running in parallel with the batteries(it can run direct, charge only or hybrid) you could make a similar system in a small car with a
Small rotory generator(Mazda is developing this as a range extender). With enough battery on board to supply a few full load pulls, you can get by with a smaller, more efficient charging point. making the system work with balance of strong performance, and efficient recharging. With less emissions as the charging motor will operate at a set load(less soot). Ballard did this in transit buses back in the mid-2000s. We now have better electrical components that can handle more current efficiently.
I wish you'd actually measure the fuel economy instead of relying on the display in the truck. The display is just not very accurate.
3.21 is to low for towing.