I DON"T OWN ANYT THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I recreated this scene to make Rose's realization of what really happened when she thought Jack took the diamond.
I love that line she said that she would rather Jack's Whore than Cal's wife and then she spits in his face and toward the end of the movie she changed her name to Rose Dawson b/c she didn't want Ruth and Cal to find her and she managed to live her life and she made her promise to Jack and Cal and Ruth treated Rose like an object and Jack Dawson like a person with feel feelings and you cheer for Rose b/c she lived her life and she kept her promise to Jack. Titanic will always be a movie you can watch over and over again... I went to The Titanic Exbhit in DC it was cool to see the Titanic come to life. I felt like I was on the actual ship.
The tragic reality is that the *real* "Rose" (a white French woman named Juliette Laroche) actually *was* considered a "whore" at the time for the "crime" of marrying *a black man* (a rich Haitian man with a degree in engineering named Joseph Laroche) and having two biracial children (keep in mind the Titanic set sail in *1912,* and their kids were already 4 and 2 by then! They got married in pre-1910 France! Not sure about France's laws, but here in the US, segregation was still in place in most of the nation until post-1950)! And as you can probably guess, Joseph was "split" into the characters of Jack and Cal, with Cal given a bunch of godawful traits that Joseph never had!Joseph was not abusive, he actually *did* save her and their kids' lives, and his final act for his wife and kids was to *purposefully* put all the money and jewelry he had in his coat pockets and then *purposefully* put his coat on his wife moments before the lifeboat she was on was lowered - and yes, *this* was how he saved their lives! They were refusing to leave without him, so he lied and told them he'd made a deal with the guards and paid them off to get on a lifeboat, when he obviously had done no such thing and actually intended to give all his money to her and the kids! Anyway, the point is... I can't help but laugh *and cringe* at this line knowing the *actual* story! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Like, now that you know Jack/Cal are actually *the same person* in real life, this line is impossible not to laugh at!
Oh, and of course, Juliette Laroche was the name she took from her husband (she was Juliette Lafarge before). And yes, even after her husband died, she kept his name and remained Juliette Laroche for the rest of her life - she never remarried! When her first son was born (their kids were both daughters, and yes, she was actually *pregnant* with Joseph's third child *while* on the boat), she named him Joseph! 😭😭😭 Remember that name! Laroche! Juliette *Laroche!* And the movie tried to make you *forget* it, but now you know there *was* a man named Joseph Laroche, and that he saved his pregnant wife and his two biracial daughters! I can't even share his picture (on this comment)!
Rose took her power back in this scene. Not just of herself but her entire life. She was beyond done being manipulated, used for other people's benefit. She'd been a perfect little doll for so long and she was done with it. No one was going to tell her what her fate would be anymore. Maybe she would die, but at least it was on her terms and with someone who loved her. Rather than suffer and survive.
Well she can't, it doesn't work that way first class ladies. it doesn't matter if she's done with it, she has to go through with it, it's the rules. well too bad, she will do what people tell her, when they tell her.
This!!! I absolutely adore this scene and how Rose goes back and risks her life to save Jack. It was so powerful, so beautifully written... She took control of her own life and gave no f*cks!!!! ❤💪🏼
@@laaaaaau6687 Well, she owed it to Jack to try and save his life, since it was her foolish decision to bring him back to her cabin that allowed Cal the opportunity for the frame-up in the first place.
@user-zh8zd2rf6u Molly was “new money” so she was not born into that privilege. People tend to be more kind and empathetic when they have been there themselves.
@@breeford1610or the entire oposite, is like when you got bullied in school then you get a nice glow up to fit the beauty standard and now society allows you to bully other people.
Kate said in an interview that Kathy (Molly) gave her the advice of: "This is the first and last time you see your mother" before shooting this scene. It helped Kate give the performance she did. It's the first time she sees her mother for who she truly is, and the last time she'll ever see her again.
I know Ruth was a villian, but I felt a bit sorry for her, because at the end she realised that she shouldn't have forced Rose into a loveless marriage just so that they could live in luxury. But of course it was too late then.
@@koreanjesus1983 when she watched the ship sink, knowing her daughter was still on it, and CHOSE to stay on it rather than flee and continue their life as it was.
I've always interpreted this scene as Rose realizing how heartless Cal really was, how little he valued life. This also came right after her mother was complaining about possibly having to share a boat with other classes and it being too crowded. She was overall disgusted.
Not to mention when she tells her mother that half the people on the ship are destined to die, Cal retorts "Not the better half." This shows even more how despicable Cal is.
@@brynne77 There was a scene (not sure shot or scripted) where he actually found her on the Carpathia (I believe you can read the script of the scene online) and Rose threatens to tell everyone how he behaved and what he did that night if he didn't leave her alone and let everyone believe she perished in the sinking.
@@joanna7350 I'm glad that scene didn't make it into the movie. It creates problems. First, in 1912 no one would have believed Rose over a man of Cal's stature and wealth. Women had no power back then. They couldn't even vote because their minds were seen as inferior to men. Cal would only scoff if Rose threatened to expose him, maybe even become violent. It wouldn't be the first time. Second, the alternate scene would have ruined the ending. Rose was still wearing the coat and Cal would've taken back the diamond.
How heartless was Rose's mother in this scene??!! There were so many innocent people about to die and the only thing she worries is whether or not the seating is arranged "according to class"
@@isminartikadang7717 Rose can't hate her, that's her mother, the one that raised and cared for her. it's ungrateful and selfish to hate you're own parents.
@@travisboutilier2220 She was gonna marry her off to a man who would possibly beat her like an old rug, so she could stay rich. It's not very healthy to say that she can't hate her mother. She's partly the reason why Rose was gonna jump off the boat in the beginning of the film. That's a lot of pressure to put on your kid.
I love the scene because it is a revelation for Rose! She realizes here that both her mother and Cal are not worth her time anymore. She is absolutely disgusted and knows she doesn’t deserve this and makes up her mind to go to save Jack and live her own free life. Too bad in the end it didn’t involve Jack, but the important thing is she got away from her mother and her fiancé.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 Eh not really, and if so an extremely small part. I actually used to think that too. When the accusations (of stealing) were first thrown at Jack, she actually did initially stand by him. It was only after it was revealed he stole the jacket that she had doubts. She also didn't expect them to leave Jack to die. It was this scene that Rose finally realized that Cal not only set him up but signed his death warrant. If you think Rose did wrong by Jack, than this scene she redeems herself.
even without the evidence, this is the moment she realizes (or more like "remembers") the reason she despises Cal so much and the reason she loves Jack.
Rose really chose to break away from toxic people in her life even if it includes her mother. Her mother and fiance are really toxic to her, Jack and the friends she made even thought they're third class passengers are real true friends.
@@travisboutilier2220but that is not what Rose wanted. It was so that she even considered suicide and u should understand that not all people can behave properly like that. Sometimes its wrong to suppress you child for some continuous ness for status, if she doesn’t want it, and if she feels unsafe there. She just couldn’t handle it anymore. Man… smh. Get your degenerative self raised up. Not all people want to live their life like that continuously. Idiot.
"It's a pity I didn't keep that drawing, it would be worth alot more by morning..." -- sarcastic remark by Cal! He's implying Jack would be not survive the ship's sinking and hence his drawing of her nude will be worth alot more money since he's dead.
This is actually truly messed up by the writers once you hear the true story of the *real* "Rose" (a French woman named Juliette Laroche)! Simply put, the *real* "Rose's" mother had been *dead* for many years before she set foot on the Titanic, and her father never remarried! 😭😭😭 To make matters worse, when Juliette, her *husband* (Laroche was her husband's last name which she took, her maiden name and her father's last name were Lafargue) - a *black* Haitian man named Joseph - and their two *biracial* daughters boarded the boat to go back to Haiti (because despite Joseph having earned a degree in engineering from the University of Paris, employers were refusing to hire him/firing him, and they decided to return to Haiti - *that* was why they were on the boat), Juliette genuinely thought she would never see her father again and wrote him multiple heartbroken letters *from the ship!* 😭😭😭 And oh, her father actually *supported* her marriage and even helped raise his biracial granddaughters and *grandson* (yes, she was *pregnant* with Joseph's third child when on the Titanic) after the disaster (Juliette returned to France after the death of her husband on the Titanic), but she kept his last name and even named her newborn son *Joseph!* 😭😭😭😭 And oh, like her father, she never remarried! 😭😭😭 So yes, after learning the real story, this line feels *especially* messed up and wrong! 🤬🤬🤬 I can only imagine how Juliette's daughter Louise, who was still alive at the age of 87 when this movie came out, felt upon hearing the character based on her mom say this to her fictional "grandma" who never met because her actual grandmother died before she or any of her siblings were ever born. 😖😖😖
Yeah, like Anastasia stands up to her mother to stay with the baker in Cinderella 2 Dreams come true and in Cinderella 3 A twist in time when Cinderella defends Anastasia from Lady Tremaine in the final battle!
I agree because all Ruth cares about is herself and the way she doesn’t like people with no wealth and cal is an assistant for Ruth just to get what she wants.
Or maybe rose would have told have her to tried to be nice poor people and never judge a book by its cover. Rose and Jack could also have told all the first class people of how poor people should be treated with respect by them.
@@jacopobrusa6033 did you know that she's also like mother gothel because gothel lies to Rapunzel about the people had wanted her magical hair to themselves and wanted to keep Rapunzel in the tower forever because all she ever wanted was to stay young forever and never really cared about Rapunzel and Cassandra, but herself.
The beautiful thing about Cal's potrayal is that hes not "bad" in the sense that hes evil. He's just the polar opposite of Jack in every way and the script showcases that perfectly. Rose's looks of disbelief when he points out the potential value of the letter after the ships sinks perfectly embodies that. He doesnt have to kill or stab anyone to let us know he's the villain.
@@dynamicdave2647 In character construction, that's him reaching the point of no return. Up until that point, he didnt do anything evil - he was just an ass.
@@dynamicdave2647 because she used him just to leaveoff to a man she met 2 days ago, any woman would be upset if their husband/fiance left them for some guy she just met, he provided for her and wanted her love and she left for a stranger. she is a whore and should have been treated as such. she treated her mother badly . Rose
@@dynamicdave2647 that's what they were pointing out. That Cal is not just a "bad" guy he's straight up evil. There was a deleted scene where Jack's friend is swimming up to the boat and asking for help and Cal hits him in the head and kills him.
"I'd rather be his whore than to be your wife" That line is just so brave. It's like you finally start making your own life choices and done with people manipulating your life. And also, the way she spit in his face is just so satisfying as always 😂
No it is not brave, it's rude and disrespectful. some people don't get to make their own life choices. spitting in his face was disgusting and unladylike.
@@marcmac8727 that’s not true. What mother would want to see her only child living in poverty with a penniless artist? She wanted Rose to have a secure future.
@@DeepScreenAnalysis .... well according to the story The mom was more concerned about their finances than Roses happiness. Didn't she say to Rose you know the money is gone???? Cal was a horrible person but they only thing that mattered to Rose's mom was his financial status. She even complained to Rose that she might have to work as a seamstress. Your opinion is what it is and so is mine. Rose's mother cared less about her daughters happiness than she did about money.
@@marcmac8727 money and happiness went hand in hand in those days. If you were poor you lived in absolutely horrendous conditions. I don’t think you quite grasp that.
Amazing acting by Frances Fisher! Hearing Ruth in the background going into genuine hysterics at losing Rose, especially compared to her self-centered and manipulative crocodile tears earlier in the movie, is actually pretty powerful. She's still a terrible person but I can't help but feel bad for her lol.
You are right. Her daughter is running on a sinking ship and any mom who loves her child would panick about that. I would almost die on the spot if it was my kid doing it.
I guess it is fair to say Ruth was a product of the time. But I hope not all women of Ruth's stature were like her. Reading the rationalizing of some posters to Ruths essentially whoring out her daughter is a little scary.
0:12 I think rose know where the necklace is and realized who is to blamed. Rose realize that cal is the one to blame for everything that happened to the necklace. He accused and blamed jack for calling him a thief and realized that the necklace was in the pocket all along, so he would get into more trouble.
I don’t believe it took Trudy that long to make a cup of tea. If rose could go down and save jack and get on the last boat AFTER this, Trudy could go and get on another boat
@@kieranwillis395 Trudy Died in the sinking as well. They showed her when it was angeled .Slipping into the water below. Shows you How much they cared for her too.
@@kieranwillis395Trudy died. We see it happen. James Cameron confirmed it and confirmed it was because of Ruth. We also see Trudy in the “dream” and or “heaven” at the end which ever interpretation you have.
@@darth_kal-el I wasn’t debating the fact she died I was debating the fact people blame Ruth for her death. It doesn’t take that long to turn the heaters on in a room on B deck before 1am when most the boats are there
I think even better than probably the best line of the movie “I’d rather be his whore than your wife” is Cals ego visibly crumbling across his face the second after she said it.
His ego was actively crumbling but he still had a large one. Bare in mind women didn’t say that kind of thing to men back then and obviously no one spoke down to him often. But for his young fiancé to say she preferred a “gutter rat” to him just broke him.
Rose wasn't sure if Jack was indeed the culprit. I mean one cannot forget the fact that she was still young and naive. The series of events after Jack was framed as a thief caught her off guard plus the sinking of the ship made it difficult for her to process everything. Coming to Cal's comment. When Cal made the remark, she had an epiphany. She remember it was she who kept the drawing, the note and the Heart of the Ocean in the locker for Cal to see and burn. So if Cal had seen the drawing (and the note) then if must be him who set up Jack and got him arrested. That's why she called him a "b*stard" and spat on his face.
@@SA-xt1gd Cal had a locker that everything was kept in (including the diamond). She's remembering that she put the drawing in there and the diamond was next to it.
@@travisboutilier2220I have to say that Cal was right, he had to be angry all the time, she was promised to him, and a part of the family then out of nowhere jack came… and he was very good with ladies, he could read their minds bc he was poor
Her mother made me furious! Talk about having a narcissist as a mother, she seemed more upset about her cash cow rose than her leaving the boat and potentially dying. I’m glad rose broke free from her mother and cal.
I didn't like Rose's mother and of couse I think she was very selfish. But honestly, I don't think she deserved to lose her daughter forever, believing that she died and never knowing about her for the rest of her life.
That was the perfect ending. Once Rose met Jack she faced her fears and once you enlighten yourself you realize the abuse you endured in life including those coming from family. There would have been no way to have a balanced relationship after that between Rose and her now exposed toxic mother
Honestly, I don't feel bad for her thinking she lost her daughter. Since the beginning, she has cared more about money than her daughter's well-being. Look down on lower class ppl even if she wasn't rich anymore. She cared more about who she sat with on the boat than how many ppl were going die. She didn't care if many innocent ppl were going lose their lives. She only cared if no lower class ppl sat with her. In the end, I do feel like she needed a reality check.
I love this part, “I’d rather be his whore than your wife!” 😂 OUCH Cal!!! Take that!! Someone like Jack, sensitive to her needs and wants who actually listens to her and find her inner beauty. She chose 2 days spending with Jack rather than living in millions with a guy who is selfish and egotistical… this is a lesson to all men out there. Listen to ur woman. And dont try to buy her happiness using ur atm, get her by ur good intentions and good character.
She spent two days with him and it's a movie. In real life, if you spent two days with someone and started having these "deep" thoughts, you'll most likely be in trouble later.
It wasn't just his money...Cal wanted control over Rose in every way. She had to be obedient and make no mistake, this guy would be physically abusive.
The one time you feel bad for Ruth. But whe Rose said “Goodbye, mother,” she meant it. I don’t think they had any contact after the whole ordeal. Love how they portrayed that. Ruth put too put on Rose and if this were real a therapist would tell Rose to go no contact with her mother unless she changed of course.
I felt bad for Ruth long before then, and no, Ruth didn't put too much on Rose's head. Her actions were perfectly understandable, even if she was a prejudiced woman.
@@matthewmcalister2165You’re kidding right? She did NOT care for Rose. She knew that If she lost Rose she would be forever poor. Rose was her only way into the rich upper class. She saw rose as an opportunity not love. This is why it hurt her so bad seeing rose go.
Diegov2point0 as much as i hate her i try not to look at this in. 21th century lens belive it or not it was more or less normal back then for arrangements to happen between the elite that's all her mother knew and unfortunately it sorta corrupted her views on people
No it's one the worst lines in the movie, it's very rude and disrespectful, rose should have been ashamed of herself for saying that, Cal should have slapped her again.
This is such a crucial moment for Rose because it’s the first time she realizes the depth of Cal and Ruth’s cruelty. Prior, she was still always miserable around them, but all she knew for sure was her life was incompatible with theirs. She wanted to escape them because she knew that she subjectively could get no joy from them, not because she actually thought they were bad people. It’s when the ship starts sinking that she truly realizes that they are evil. It’s not just her; they treat everyone this way, to the point where they don’t care about loss of life. Having a difficult personal relationship is one thing, but realizing that someone in your life is this indifferent to human suffering is another thing entirely.
From Ruth’s standpoint she wasn’t being cruel. She doesn’t want her daughter to become a social outcast and end up being homeless with a drifter, as likeable as Jack may be. Maybe only a parent could understand, they want their child to have the best of everything and to live with security. Ruth did not have the emotional awareness to see Rose’s true despair because as a mother, she was in survival mode. Their finances had been wiped out, so what you see as Ruth’s greed to marry Rose to the Hockley fortune, others see as someone who was in a panic to hold on to the only lifestyle they had ever known.
Rose realize here that Cal never love her, when Cal said he regret not keeping the drawing, it would worth a lot more by morning. Cal plan to make profit of the drawing .... maybe selling it or something, this is when Rose realize he never value her. I mean you don't sell naked picture of your wife to be.
This moment and entire scene altogether is also reminder of what a great actress Kate Winslet was at the time, already at age 21. Not to forget, a reminder of her beauty. Although she was using dye, the red hair was amazing on her.
“I’d rather be his whore than your wife!” 😲 now that’s a burn to the bone!! Says a lot about how Cal really was all he wanted was wealth. Fantastic movie never ages! Or if it does, it just gets better with time! 😊❤
Cal wanted wealth, but he also wanted Rose's love. Because of his emotional deficiencies, he thought he could procure her love through gifts and money. By the time he realised this was futile, it was too late.
And in Cinderella 2: Dreams come true: Lady Tremaine: "Anastasia! How dare you defy me? You were forbidden to speak to this man!" Drizella: "Look at her! It's a disaster! We'll be the laughing stock of the entire town." Lady Tremaine: "You've embarrassed yourself quite enough with this foolishness. Dear child, you know I only have your best interests at heart. You deserve better. Come along." Anastasia: "No, Mother! You're wrong! He's sweet." The baker: "She's wonderful." Anastasia: "He's romantic. And we are going to the ball together." Lady Tremaine: (GASP) "Drizella, come along. DRIZELLA!"
@@travisboutilier2220 She was too a bad mother for trying to make her daughter marry someone she doesn't love just for his money. Do you even hear yourself? Money is not more important than her daughter's happiness. Nobody should marry someone they don't love and she was only doing what was best for herself as always.
@@andrewcolinwilson1 No she was not a bad mother. yes i can hear myself. yes money is more important, nothing is free and people need it to survive. yes they should when they are told to, you're parents tell you to do something you do it. she was doing what was best for her and her daughter.
Bro, Ruth frustrated me a lot. I would keep yelling at the screen, “if you like Cal and his money so much, YOU marry him”. Rose was right to just desert them right then and there
@@travisboutilier2220 Rose isn't a baby producing machine or some gold miner. She is just a 17 years old little girl who wants to live her life to the fullest. Ruth and Cal were pimps who were abusing her. Stop defending them unless you're one of them.
Before anyone feels bad for Rose’s mother Ruth, you should know she left Trudy on the ship. Trudy was the woman who’s dress flys up the back as she slides down the deck as the ship starts going vertical. Trudy absolutely could have gotten into a lifeboat if Ruth had allowed her.
Ruth never cares about her daughter only for the money to survive of the lifestyle after her husband's passing leaving her and Rose nothing but the clothes on their back, facing of getting shunned out of society of the wealth that she ended up pleading towards her friends for the arranged marriage for Rose to marry for wealth and so Cal's parents offer her in this situation to have the wealth back for Rose to marry Cal for the union of wealth and status.
Yes it can. Drop a million into my lap and I guarantee you I'll be happy. People who say stupid shit like money can't buy happiness, have never struggled at all. It's such a privileged thing to say. We all know you've never had to struggle. The only people who have ever said that idiotic thing to me are wealthy people.
Rose lifts Cal up “Consider this an Annulment.” Throws him off the boat, in the freezing waters, Suddenly out comes Jason Voorhees. (VII) Jason rips Cal’s Heart out . Cal dies.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 Naah...Rose's Mom had no real interest in her daughter or her happiness, prioritizing her social status in high society and wanting her daughter to marry an abusive and manipulative asshole so that she could continue living her pampered ass dream. Therefore she deserved to be sad at the end of it upon being disowned by her daughter and living in uncertainty for the rest of her life about what became of her.
I'd like to think that Cal looked after her. After all, they would have been family had he and Rose wed. For all he and Ruth knew, Rose had perished with the Titanic.
I know few are going to agree but how much more beautiful the story would have been if Jack survived and they made a life together after this ❤ I am imagining that ending of the story :)
The odds are, had Jack survived, they would have been dirt poor in NYC in 1912. Not an easy life. Jack, who is shown to be a gambler (winning his Titanic ticket in a poker game), may have likely gambled away whatever pennies he earned selling his art, or spent it on booze, while Rose worked 14 hour days doing manual labor. Given that she was young and attractive, she likely also would have resorted to prostitution to make ends meet. There was no welfare, no food stamps, no government assistance, no public housing -- if you were in poverty back then with no marketable skills, your existence was pretty bleak. The historical reality of their circumstances probably wouldn't be all that beautiful. If this was 2023, Rose probably would have gotten fed up with her broke-ass boyfriend pretty quickly.
@@thomasbrennan6303 To be fair, Jack Dawson did work his way through places. But his biggest problem was that he never had a set plan for his life. The film makes it seem as though this is the ideal, but as I have grown older, I prefer Cal's philosophy: "A real man makes his own luck."
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 Jack wasn’t a man, he was a boy. His dreamy “take life as it comes” approach to life is exciting to girls. However, grown women don’t find this exciting. It’s a massive turn off. Women want stability and security. Had Rose grown into a woman with Jack, she would have undoubtedly modified her attitude about him. Teen love rarely becomes a fairy tale, and women fall out of love much more easily than men.
I'd like to think that Cal looked after her. After all, they would have been family had he and Rose wed. For all he and Ruth knew, Rose had perished with the Titanic.
@@aronspidle138 i don’t think that it would’ve been in Cal’s nature to care for her if there was nothing in it for him. With Rose gone, there would’ve been no point for him to keep Ruth around, as there was nothing to gain from that relationship. Besides they say that his family lost all their money later in the collapse of the market. Maybe madhatterster is right and Molly could’ve helped her out.
Ruth: "Do you want to see me working as a seamstress? Is that what you want? To see our fine things sold at auction? Our memories scattered?" Me: "Let's see when you arrive in America....."
I like how the photos Rose carried with her show that she did all the things her and Jack talked about. Always wondered although not really relevant, if Rose wouldve had any further contact with her mother over the years as well as what became of Ruth being that without Cal marrying her daughter Ruth had nothing
Well i don't, rose shouldn't have done those things, they are not what a first class lady does. if i was able to, i would rip those pictures to shreds like her mother or Cal would have done if they saw them.
Ruth never saw her again either, kinda sad. I never felt pity for her in the past, but in truth she was just trying to maintain the life she was accustomed to her whole life. She did love her daughter very much though.
It was more than maintaining the life she was accustomed to -- it was ensuring the actual life-or-death survival of both her and Rose. Being a penniless woman in 1912 meant homelessness, hunger, privation, disease, and often, needing to turn to prostitution just to survive. Ruth is portrayed as a snob, but if you unpack her character and motivations, she clearly did love Rose and wanted the best life for her -- and the only option was marrying Cal.
@@thomasbrennan6303 Spot on, though Mrs DeWitt Bukater does mention working as a seamstress. There would have been jobs for women back then, but they would probably involved a significant step down in living standards. Rose would have been more financially secure by marrying the son of a steel tycoon. I'm assuming a seamstress would be relatively low paid, hence Mrs DeWitt Bukater being brought to tears at the thought of having to sell off her possessions to live and losing the family legacy. I'm astonished that Titanic fans act as though Rose was the oppressed woman, completely ignoring the dire reality of being left a widow and worrying about the bad debts that her husband had left.
Good that Rose came to her senses and decided not to go through with marrying a very wealthy man that she wasn't in love with so that she & her mother wouldn't be poor anymore. Odd it hasn't been told what became of Rose's mother after she was rescued and taken to New York City.
It seems like she was forcing rose to marry Cal because he was rich and had money she told her to stay away from Jack because he was poor and broke but rose knew in her who she really loved because Cal didn't love he was too mean and bossy but Jack was kind and gave her love but Cal gave her the heart of the ocean and that's not what rose wanted she wanted someone to love her for who she is and Rose knew they didn't but Jack did it's good that she didn't get on the boat because if she did go with them she will be miserable and feeling guilty about leaving Jack and not believing him.
I don 't understand how some stupid people with their respective comments, criticizing Rose for her right decision (defending Rose 's mother and Cal, unjustly).
I've always wondered what happened to Rose's mom after the Titanic. I know she never saw her again but everytime i look her up they say that nothing is known about what happened to her. Thay should write something like if she went back to being a seamstress or if she ended up marrying a rich guy.
I actually like the choice to leave her story unresolved. It shows how people's lives didn't get a nice tidy ending. Like so many people, Ruth lost everything and then.... who knows.
She probably would have been ok. She probably had distant family i.e cousins nieces nephews etc that may have looked after her. On top of that she would have had the sympathy vote from the upper class clique having lost her daughter on the titanic, she also had the status of a titanic survivor too.
You can tell that boat was nowhere near full not even half full. Yet they claimed there weren't enough. There was plenty, they just weren't being filled to capacity
No there still was not enough boats and this has been mentioned multiple times. But the crew also was not filling boats to capacity. One boat only had 12 people on it
There were insufficient lifeboats on board, but this was in line with existing lifeboat regulations. But you're right that more people could have been saved on the lifeboats. The problem was that the crew hadn't done a ifeboat drill, and neither had the passengers.
I would've loved to see a redemption arc for Ruth, where when Rose ran away from her, Ruth hawled herself back onto the ship as the boat was being lowered.
"I'd rather be his whore than your wife."
Dawson, Rose Dawson.
I love that line she said that she would rather Jack's Whore than Cal's wife and then she spits in his face and
toward the end of the movie she changed her name to Rose Dawson b/c she didn't want Ruth and Cal to find her and she managed to live her life and she made her promise to Jack and Cal and Ruth treated Rose like an object and Jack Dawson like a person with feel feelings and you cheer for Rose b/c she lived her life and she kept her promise to Jack. Titanic will always be a movie you can watch over and over again... I went to The Titanic Exbhit in DC it was cool to see the Titanic come to life. I felt like I was on the actual ship.
The tragic reality is that the *real* "Rose" (a white French woman named Juliette Laroche) actually *was* considered a "whore" at the time for the "crime" of marrying *a black man* (a rich Haitian man with a degree in engineering named Joseph Laroche) and having two biracial children (keep in mind the Titanic set sail in *1912,* and their kids were already 4 and 2 by then! They got married in pre-1910 France! Not sure about France's laws, but here in the US, segregation was still in place in most of the nation until post-1950)!
And as you can probably guess, Joseph was "split" into the characters of Jack and Cal, with Cal given a bunch of godawful traits that Joseph never had!Joseph was not abusive, he actually *did* save her and their kids' lives, and his final act for his wife and kids was to *purposefully* put all the money and jewelry he had in his coat pockets and then *purposefully* put his coat on his wife moments before the lifeboat she was on was lowered - and yes, *this* was how he saved their lives! They were refusing to leave without him, so he lied and told them he'd made a deal with the guards and paid them off to get on a lifeboat, when he obviously had done no such thing and actually intended to give all his money to her and the kids!
Anyway, the point is... I can't help but laugh *and cringe* at this line knowing the *actual* story! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Like, now that you know Jack/Cal are actually *the same person* in real life, this line is impossible not to laugh at!
Oh, and of course, Juliette Laroche was the name she took from her husband (she was Juliette Lafarge before). And yes, even after her husband died, she kept his name and remained Juliette Laroche for the rest of her life - she never remarried!
When her first son was born (their kids were both daughters, and yes, she was actually *pregnant* with Joseph's third child *while* on the boat), she named him Joseph! 😭😭😭
Remember that name! Laroche! Juliette *Laroche!* And the movie tried to make you *forget* it, but now you know there *was* a man named Joseph Laroche, and that he saved his pregnant wife and his two biracial daughters! I can't even share his picture (on this comment)!
Cameron actually recycled that line from his show, Twin Peaks. 😂
Dawson, Rose Dawson.
Rose took her power back in this scene. Not just of herself but her entire life. She was beyond done being manipulated, used for other people's benefit. She'd been a perfect little doll for so long and she was done with it. No one was going to tell her what her fate would be anymore.
Maybe she would die, but at least it was on her terms and with someone who loved her. Rather than suffer and survive.
I 'm totally agree with you. VERY GOOD!!!
Well she can't, it doesn't work that way first class ladies. it doesn't matter if she's done with it, she has to go through with it, it's the rules. well too bad, she will do what people tell her, when they tell her.
Underrated comment. Well said!
This!!! I absolutely adore this scene and how Rose goes back and risks her life to save Jack. It was so powerful, so beautifully written... She took control of her own life and gave no f*cks!!!! ❤💪🏼
@@laaaaaau6687 Well, she owed it to Jack to try and save his life, since it was her foolish decision to bring him back to her cabin that allowed Cal the opportunity for the frame-up in the first place.
Molly is so nice, she shows kindness to Rose more than Rose's own mom
molly was my favourite character
One of the best
Mr. Brown had no idea I'd hidden the money in the stove AHAHAHAHA!...so he comes home drunk as a pig celebrating and lights a fire...AHAHAHAHA!
@user-zh8zd2rf6u Molly was “new money” so she was not born into that privilege. People tend to be more kind and empathetic when they have been there themselves.
@@breeford1610or the entire oposite, is like when you got bullied in school then you get a nice glow up to fit the beauty standard and now society allows you to bully other people.
Kate said in an interview that Kathy (Molly) gave her the advice of: "This is the first and last time you see your mother" before shooting this scene. It helped Kate give the performance she did. It's the first time she sees her mother for who she truly is, and the last time she'll ever see her again.
Goosebumps...
I know Ruth was a villian, but I felt a bit sorry for her, because at the end she realised that she shouldn't have forced Rose into a loveless marriage just so that they could live in luxury. But of course it was too late then.
@@dieterdelange9488exactly. It took a literal near-death experience for her to comprehend that her daughter’s feelings were what really mattered.
@@12classics39When did Ruth finally realize this? I missed it.
@@koreanjesus1983 when she watched the ship sink, knowing her daughter was still on it, and CHOSE to stay on it rather than flee and continue their life as it was.
I've always interpreted this scene as Rose realizing how heartless Cal really was, how little he valued life. This also came right after her mother was complaining about possibly having to share a boat with other classes and it being too crowded. She was overall disgusted.
Not to mention when she tells her mother that half the people on the ship are destined to die, Cal retorts "Not the better half." This shows even more how despicable Cal is.
@@MasterAnakinSkyWalker Good point. I'm glad she was able to get away from him.
@@brynne77 There was a scene (not sure shot or scripted) where he actually found her on the Carpathia (I believe you can read the script of the scene online) and Rose threatens to tell everyone how he behaved and what he did that night if he didn't leave her alone and let everyone believe she perished in the sinking.
Interesting. I didn't know that. @@joanna7350
@@joanna7350 I'm glad that scene didn't make it into the movie. It creates problems. First, in 1912 no one would have believed Rose over a man of Cal's stature and wealth. Women had no power back then. They couldn't even vote because their minds were seen as inferior to men. Cal would only scoff if Rose threatened to expose him, maybe even become violent. It wouldn't be the first time. Second, the alternate scene would have ruined the ending. Rose was still wearing the coat and Cal would've taken back the diamond.
How heartless was Rose's mother in this scene??!!
There were so many innocent people about to die and the only thing she worries is whether or not the seating is arranged "according to class"
Thats one of the why rose hate her so much
Yes, What she said about the “lifeboats seating according to class” is disgusting, Spending time with rich people doesn’t make her a rich women
She isn't, she has no reason to care about the lives of complete strangers and she just doesn't want to sit next to poor people.
@@isminartikadang7717 Rose can't hate her, that's her mother, the one that raised and cared for her. it's ungrateful and selfish to hate you're own parents.
@@travisboutilier2220 She was gonna marry her off to a man who would possibly beat her like an old rug, so she could stay rich. It's not very healthy to say that she can't hate her mother. She's partly the reason why Rose was gonna jump off the boat in the beginning of the film. That's a lot of pressure to put on your kid.
That woman that plays Rose's mom actually looks like she could be her mom in real life.
Great casting! Frances Fisher was wonderful in this villain role.
Yep, and old Rose's grand daughter is the spitting image of Ruth
I think Joanna Lumley would've been a good choice to play her mom.
@@loosilushe remind me the witch of Harry Potter
@@reynardbell1133 Yeah, she really does look a lot like Maggie Smith in this.
I love the scene because it is a revelation for Rose! She realizes here that both her mother and Cal are not worth her time anymore. She is absolutely disgusted and knows she doesn’t deserve this and makes up her mind to go to save Jack and live her own free life. Too bad in the end it didn’t involve Jack, but the important thing is she got away from her mother and her fiancé.
Yes, but remember that she was part of the reason Jack ended up being trapped below.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 If broke, It'll fix it
Yes she sure did freedom from her mom and cal
Naw I think buddy wanted to live 😂😂😂 is most important
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 Eh not really, and if so an extremely small part. I actually used to think that too. When the accusations (of stealing) were first thrown at Jack, she actually did initially stand by him. It was only after it was revealed he stole the jacket that she had doubts. She also didn't expect them to leave Jack to die. It was this scene that Rose finally realized that Cal not only set him up but signed his death warrant.
If you think Rose did wrong by Jack, than this scene she redeems herself.
But it’s more beautiful without the realization.
Jack: Rose! How did you find out I didn't do it?
Rose : I didn't. I just realized I already knew.
That there is evidence this is a fabrication, if we did not already know it..
even without the evidence, this is the moment she realizes (or more like "remembers") the reason she despises Cal so much and the reason she loves Jack.
Jacks spitting lesson really payed off 😂
@@michaelschultz3906I'm glad that was changed because the spitting was much more powerful, and complimented the earlier scene with Jack.
Jack should have been ashamed of himself for teaching rose something so unladylike.
Yes jack won roses heart ,cal was the evil one ,her mother too
And she really spit in Billy Zane’s face and he didn’t know she was gonna do that so his reaction was real.
MikeJ2023, seeing Billy’s face looked like a genuine reaction not a rehearsed response.
Rose really chose to break away from toxic people in her life even if it includes her mother. Her mother and fiance are really toxic to her, Jack and the friends she made even thought they're third class passengers are real true friends.
Her mother and fiancé are not toxic to her, they love her and want what's best for her. she has to stay away from the third class.
Amen she did the right thing leaving cal
@@travisboutilier2220Yes but you can want the "best" for someone and still be toxic. Also Cal has shades of being a domestic abuser
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 No you can't, wanting the best for someone is not toxic. No Cal doesn't, rose kept angering him.
@@travisboutilier2220but that is not what Rose wanted. It was so that she even considered suicide and u should understand that not all people can behave properly like that. Sometimes its wrong to suppress you child for some continuous ness for status, if she doesn’t want it, and if she feels unsafe there. She just couldn’t handle it anymore. Man… smh. Get your degenerative self raised up. Not all people want to live their life like that continuously. Idiot.
"It's a pity I didn't keep that drawing, it would be worth alot more by morning..." -- sarcastic remark by Cal! He's implying Jack would be not survive the ship's sinking and hence his drawing of her nude will be worth alot more money since he's dead.
"Good bye mother"
BEST LINE EVER
And CRUELEST line ever🤩
@@小時了了serves Ruth right for all the things she's done to Rose
She should hav said “Goodbye Traitor!”
This is actually truly messed up by the writers once you hear the true story of the *real* "Rose" (a French woman named Juliette Laroche)! Simply put, the *real* "Rose's" mother had been *dead* for many years before she set foot on the Titanic, and her father never remarried! 😭😭😭
To make matters worse, when Juliette, her *husband* (Laroche was her husband's last name which she took, her maiden name and her father's last name were Lafargue) - a *black* Haitian man named Joseph - and their two *biracial* daughters boarded the boat to go back to Haiti (because despite Joseph having earned a degree in engineering from the University of Paris, employers were refusing to hire him/firing him, and they decided to return to Haiti - *that* was why they were on the boat), Juliette genuinely thought she would never see her father again and wrote him multiple heartbroken letters *from the ship!* 😭😭😭 And oh, her father actually *supported* her marriage and even helped raise his biracial granddaughters and *grandson* (yes, she was *pregnant* with Joseph's third child when on the Titanic) after the disaster (Juliette returned to France after the death of her husband on the Titanic), but she kept his last name and even named her newborn son *Joseph!* 😭😭😭😭 And oh, like her father, she never remarried! 😭😭😭
So yes, after learning the real story, this line feels *especially* messed up and wrong! 🤬🤬🤬 I can only imagine how Juliette's daughter Louise, who was still alive at the age of 87 when this movie came out, felt upon hearing the character based on her mom say this to her fictional "grandma" who never met because her actual grandmother died before she or any of her siblings were ever born. 😖😖😖
@@shovelheadedmonster What things?
I think rose did the right thing to leave her mother and finance
Yeah, like Anastasia stands up to her mother to stay with the baker in Cinderella 2 Dreams come true and in Cinderella 3 A twist in time when Cinderella defends Anastasia from Lady Tremaine in the final battle!
I agree because all Ruth cares about is herself and the way she doesn’t like people with no wealth and cal is an assistant for Ruth just to get what she wants.
Or maybe rose would have told have her to tried to be nice poor people and never judge a book by its cover. Rose and Jack could also have told all the first class people of how poor people should be treated with respect by them.
@@caitlingannon7639 yeah she's just like Lady Tremaine! And it's obviously that Cal is her assistant!
@@jacopobrusa6033 did you know that she's also like mother gothel because gothel lies to Rapunzel about the people had wanted her magical hair to themselves and wanted to keep Rapunzel in the tower forever because all she ever wanted was to stay young forever and never really cared about Rapunzel and Cassandra, but herself.
The beautiful thing about Cal's potrayal is that hes not "bad" in the sense that hes evil. He's just the polar opposite of Jack in every way and the script showcases that perfectly. Rose's looks of disbelief when he points out the potential value of the letter after the ships sinks perfectly embodies that. He doesnt have to kill or stab anyone to let us know he's the villain.
Actually he is evil in that he tried to kill jack
@@dynamicdave2647 In character construction, that's him reaching the point of no return. Up until that point, he didnt do anything evil - he was just an ass.
@@dynamicdave2647 because she used him just to leaveoff to a man she met 2 days ago, any woman would be upset if their husband/fiance left them for some guy she just met, he provided for her and wanted her love and she left for a stranger. she is a whore and should have been treated as such. she treated her mother badly . Rose
@@dynamicdave2647 that's what they were pointing out. That Cal is not just a "bad" guy he's straight up evil. There was a deleted scene where Jack's friend is swimming up to the boat and asking for help and Cal hits him in the head and kills him.
@@daniloferrazbr Being an ass is a form of evil. Hands down.
"I'd rather be his whore than to be your wife"
That line is just so brave. It's like you finally start making your own life choices and done with people manipulating your life. And also, the way she spit in his face is just so satisfying as always 😂
apparently, that wasn't originally in the script! kate thought it was fitting, genius!
@@hannaengle really? Which one? The line or the spit part? Or both? Either way, you're right! That was so genius of her 😍👏
@@fernzlampazThe spitting.
Classy way to end an abusive relationship
No it is not brave, it's rude and disrespectful. some people don't get to make their own life choices. spitting in his face was disgusting and unladylike.
Jack would be so proud of Rose's aim and distance with that loogey he taught her well!
Roses mother was watching her meal ticket walk away. She cared less about her as a daughter, but only how Rose could marry money..
@@marcmac8727 that’s not true. What mother would want to see her only child living in poverty with a penniless artist? She wanted Rose to have a secure future.
@@DeepScreenAnalysis .... well according to the story The mom was more concerned about their finances than Roses happiness. Didn't she say to Rose you know the money is gone???? Cal was a horrible person but they only thing that mattered to Rose's mom was his financial status. She even complained to Rose that she might have to work as a seamstress. Your opinion is what it is and so is mine. Rose's mother cared less about her daughters happiness than she did about money.
@@marcmac8727 money and happiness went hand in hand in those days. If you were poor you lived in absolutely horrendous conditions. I don’t think you quite grasp that.
@@DeepScreenAnalysis you don't seem to grasp that in any time period money doesn't always bring happiness. Have a nice day.
@@marcmac8727 money brings a roof over your head and a place to get warm. Stop romanticising poverty, it’s a terrible place for anyone to be.
Amazing acting by Frances Fisher! Hearing Ruth in the background going into genuine hysterics at losing Rose, especially compared to her self-centered and manipulative crocodile tears earlier in the movie, is actually pretty powerful. She's still a terrible person but I can't help but feel bad for her lol.
You are right. Her daughter is running on a sinking ship and any mom who loves her child would panick about that. I would almost die on the spot if it was my kid doing it.
I felt bad for Ruth too..she knows she has lost her daughter and the pain was real.
What crocodile tears?
I guess it is fair to say Ruth was a product of the time. But I hope not all women of Ruth's stature were like her. Reading the rationalizing of some posters to Ruths essentially whoring out her daughter is a little scary.
0:16 "Darling now you can keep us both locked in your safe, Rose" It was always hard to read on the VHS tape but I laughed so hard, haha!
Don't laugh at that, that's not funny, that's heartbreaking.
@@travisboutilier2220actually it is funny
Rose made that as a poke at cals abusive behavior and insults him with a nude drawing
I finally read the note today. I never knew what it said.
Thanks!
You have no idea how many times I rewound and paused that part before I finally figured out what it said. 🤦
This movie really has the greatest cast ever
1:19 Ruth: "My assets! Come back!"
More like 'my meal ticket...'. Without Rose, Cal isn't gonna take care of Ruth.
Ruth's snobbish and toxic behaviour towards Rose are the ones that leads Ruth to work as a seamstress instead....😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
As soon as Rose left Ruth, that was the very moment she decided to take control of her own life and decide her own destiny for herself.
Good for Rose for standing up to her selfish mother and controlling fiance. She made the right choice to finally walk away.
No not good for rose, her mother was not selfish and her fiancé was not controlling. she made the terrible choice to dich them like that.
@@travisboutilier2220he slapped rose.
@@honghong3153 She did something to deserve it, leaving a drawing with a mocking message for his to find and having sex with another man.
@@honghong3153 I’m proud of her.
Ruth watching her meal ticket run away
0:12 I think rose know where the necklace is and realized who is to blamed. Rose realize that cal is the one to blame for everything that happened to the necklace. He accused and blamed jack for calling him a thief and realized that the necklace was in the pocket all along, so he would get into more trouble.
Ruth deserves this after leaving Trudy for a hot coffee. She definitely suffered until she died.
I don’t believe it took Trudy that long to make a cup of tea. If rose could go down and save jack and get on the last boat AFTER this, Trudy could go and get on another boat
@@kieranwillis395 Trudy Died in the sinking as well. They showed her when it was angeled .Slipping into the water below. Shows you How much they cared for her too.
Being a chambermaid aside, Trudy was such a sweet girl… 🥺🥺
@@kieranwillis395Trudy died. We see it happen. James Cameron confirmed it and confirmed it was because of Ruth. We also see Trudy in the “dream” and or “heaven” at the end which ever interpretation you have.
@@darth_kal-el I wasn’t debating the fact she died I was debating the fact people blame Ruth for her death. It doesn’t take that long to turn the heaters on in a room on B deck before 1am when most the boats are there
I think even better than probably the best line of the movie “I’d rather be his whore than your wife” is Cals ego visibly crumbling across his face the second after she said it.
Cal's ego crumbled long before then. He was fighting with her precisely because his ego was crumbling.
His ego was actively crumbling but he still had a large one. Bare in mind women didn’t say that kind of thing to men back then and obviously no one spoke down to him often. But for his young fiancé to say she preferred a “gutter rat” to him just broke him.
I mean if i had to chose between both men it be jack
So long Ruth. Hope you enjoyed your cruise, it's the last taste of luxury you'll ever have. Don't worry, I hear America's looking for seamstresses.
Ruth's time is UP!!!!!
Rose wasn't sure if Jack was indeed the culprit. I mean one cannot forget the fact that she was still young and naive. The series of events after Jack was framed as a thief caught her off guard plus the sinking of the ship made it difficult for her to process everything.
Coming to Cal's comment. When Cal made the remark, she had an epiphany. She remember it was she who kept the drawing, the note and the Heart of the Ocean in the locker for Cal to see and burn. So if Cal had seen the drawing (and the note) then if must be him who set up Jack and got him arrested. That's why she called him a "b*stard" and spat on his face.
Wait, can you explain the lock part? I never understand the significance of that lock and the note.
@@SA-xt1gd Cal had a locker that everything was kept in (including the diamond). She's remembering that she put the drawing in there and the diamond was next to it.
Suddenly she'd understood it was revenge of Cal
Yeah. Jack put the diamond back in the safe and she added the drawing and note. Jack couldn’t have known the code for the safe
Naive doesn't equal stupid
Rose stood up for herself and chose freedom over a prison of marriage to a nasty man.
No rose acted out and chose poverty over a passionate marriage to a great man.
Great man?
Abusive man more like
@@travisboutilier2220I have to say that Cal was right, he had to be angry all the time, she was promised to him, and a part of the family then out of nowhere jack came… and he was very good with ladies, he could read their minds bc he was poor
Her mother made me furious! Talk about having a narcissist as a mother, she seemed more upset about her cash cow rose than her leaving the boat and potentially dying. I’m glad rose broke free from her mother and cal.
It's quite clear that Ruth wants Rose to get off the ship safely, especially after Rose explained to her the danger that most were in.
I didn't like Rose's mother and of couse I think she was very selfish. But honestly, I don't think she deserved to lose her daughter forever, believing that she died and never knowing about her for the rest of her life.
Same
That was the perfect ending. Once Rose met Jack she faced her fears and once you enlighten yourself you realize the abuse you endured in life including those coming from family. There would have been no way to have a balanced relationship after that between Rose and her now exposed toxic mother
I do wonder what happened to mother after the sinking.....
@@AdmiralofU2they were going broke so she probably had to work lower class.
Honestly, I don't feel bad for her thinking she lost her daughter. Since the beginning, she has cared more about money than her daughter's well-being. Look down on lower class ppl even if she wasn't rich anymore. She cared more about who she sat with on the boat than how many ppl were going die. She didn't care if many innocent ppl were going lose their lives. She only cared if no lower class ppl sat with her. In the end, I do feel like she needed a reality check.
Jack did certainly save Rose's life in the long run... He taught her the best way to hock a loogie
PLEASE! Not Rapunzel’s realisation soundtrack from Tangled randomly popping in! 🤣
I knew it sounded familiar 😭
"When you jump, I jump."
-Rose Dawson
I love this part, “I’d rather be his whore than your wife!” 😂 OUCH Cal!!! Take that!! Someone like Jack, sensitive to her needs and wants who actually listens to her and find her inner beauty. She chose 2 days spending with Jack rather than living in millions with a guy who is selfish and egotistical… this is a lesson to all men out there. Listen to ur woman. And dont try to buy her happiness using ur atm, get her by ur good intentions and good character.
Why doesn't this have more likes?🤔
ATEE
She spent two days with him and it's a movie. In real life, if you spent two days with someone and started having these "deep" thoughts, you'll most likely be in trouble later.
That line has been used so many times tho
It wasn't just his money...Cal wanted control over Rose in every way. She had to be obedient and make no mistake, this guy would be physically abusive.
She basically applied the 'spit' she had just trained earlier with Jack on the deck upon Cal. James Cameron is brilliant!
The one time you feel bad for Ruth. But whe Rose said “Goodbye, mother,” she meant it. I don’t think they had any contact after the whole ordeal. Love how they portrayed that. Ruth put too put on Rose and if this were real a therapist would tell Rose to go no contact with her mother unless she changed of course.
I felt bad for Ruth long before then, and no, Ruth didn't put too much on Rose's head. Her actions were perfectly understandable, even if she was a prejudiced woman.
I remember in the theater when Rose spit at Cal, people were cheering, applauding
Are you serious? they were obviously man hating feminists and men that have been brainwashed by feminism.
The sinking chaotic situation was in favour of Rose freedom...!!!☝️✊️🤛🤜👊🙌😉
The first and only time we see her being a mother in this movie.
Absolutely. It did actually show that she did care for Rose
@@matthewmcalister2165You’re kidding right? She did NOT care for Rose. She knew that If she lost Rose she would be forever poor. Rose was her only way into the rich upper class. She saw rose as an opportunity not love. This is why it hurt her so bad seeing rose go.
@@diegov2point0thank you I can't believe people are so blind look how many likes that comment got rose mother only cared about money 😢
Diegov2point0 as much as i hate her i try not to look at this in. 21th century lens belive it or not it was more or less normal back then for arrangements to happen between the elite that's all her mother knew and unfortunately it sorta corrupted her views on people
@@diegov2point0 IMO Ruth was in a desperate situation, losing everything is not a joke.
I’m so proud of her.
“I rather be his whore than your wife “ Some powerful words when you in love 😂 she don’t want you Bruh!
“I’d rather be his whore than your wife.” 😳One of the best lines from the movie.
No it's one the worst lines in the movie, it's very rude and disrespectful, rose should have been ashamed of herself for saying that, Cal should have slapped her again.
I bet Molly would have taken Rose in if she left her life.
For those who are critics of the 1st spitting scene - this shows how necessary it was lol
Somehow deep because Jack teached her how to spit like a man
Planting and payoff. This is why they let James Cameron have so many dump trucks full of money to make this film.
"Goodbye Mother".....The moment Ruth realizes that she needs to go and get a job.
Nah she'll hook up with Otto Halliwell and witness Randal Raines boost 50 top end cars for the evil Raymond Calitri 😁 she's covered bro!
This is such a crucial moment for Rose because it’s the first time she realizes the depth of Cal and Ruth’s cruelty. Prior, she was still always miserable around them, but all she knew for sure was her life was incompatible with theirs. She wanted to escape them because she knew that she subjectively could get no joy from them, not because she actually thought they were bad people. It’s when the ship starts sinking that she truly realizes that they are evil. It’s not just her; they treat everyone this way, to the point where they don’t care about loss of life. Having a difficult personal relationship is one thing, but realizing that someone in your life is this indifferent to human suffering is another thing entirely.
From Ruth’s standpoint she wasn’t being cruel. She doesn’t want her daughter to become a social outcast and end up being homeless with a drifter, as likeable as Jack may be. Maybe only a parent could understand, they want their child to have the best of everything and to live with security. Ruth did not have the emotional awareness to see Rose’s true despair because as a mother, she was in survival mode. Their finances had been wiped out, so what you see as Ruth’s greed to marry Rose to the Hockley fortune, others see as someone who was in a panic to hold on to the only lifestyle they had ever known.
Rose realize here that Cal never love her, when Cal said he regret not keeping the drawing, it would worth a lot more by morning. Cal plan to make profit of the drawing .... maybe selling it or something, this is when Rose realize he never value her. I mean you don't sell naked picture of your wife to be.
“You unimaginable bastard.” What a line!
This moment and entire scene altogether is also reminder of what a great actress Kate Winslet was at the time, already at age 21. Not to forget, a reminder of her beauty. Although she was using dye, the red hair was amazing on her.
“You unimaginable bastard!” She got that right!
But what drawing was he talking about?
@@slapshot68the drawing that Jack drew of Rose, knowing Jack likely would’ve died he was saying he could’ve sold it for a lot of money the next day
The acting in this film is 110% every person killed it..masterpiece
“I’d rather be his whore than your wife!” 😲 now that’s a burn to the bone!! Says a lot about how Cal really was all he wanted was wealth. Fantastic movie never ages! Or if it does, it just gets better with time! 😊❤
Cal wanted wealth, but he also wanted Rose's love. Because of his emotional deficiencies, he thought he could procure her love through gifts and money. By the time he realised this was futile, it was too late.
I guess there's a lot to be said for 'chosen family'
And in Cinderella 2: Dreams come true:
Lady Tremaine: "Anastasia! How dare you defy me? You were forbidden to speak to this man!"
Drizella: "Look at her! It's a disaster! We'll be the laughing stock of the entire town."
Lady Tremaine: "You've embarrassed yourself quite enough with this foolishness. Dear child, you know I only have your best interests at heart. You deserve better. Come along."
Anastasia: "No, Mother! You're wrong! He's sweet."
The baker: "She's wonderful."
Anastasia: "He's romantic. And we are going to the ball together."
Lady Tremaine: (GASP) "Drizella, come along. DRIZELLA!"
I love this movie don’t know I might have watched it 50 times
I love it when people leave their toxic family members, and it's not shown often in film etc.
“I’d rather be his whore than your wife” greatest response by rose
Every time I see Lovejoy slip the necklace in Jack's pocket, I just want grab Lovejoy's arm and break it!
1:12 bullseye! 😂 he totally deserved that. You go girl ❤
But he said “No.”
No he did not deserve that. sham on you girl.
More like "Calseye!"
SHE LEARNED HOW TO SPIT LIKE A MAN!!!
Ruth was a bad mother for trying to make her daughter, Rose marry someone she doesn't love just for his money. She should be ashamed of herself.
No she wasn't, she was doing what was best for her. it's rose that should be ashamed for rebelling against her mother.
@@travisboutilier2220 She was too a bad mother for trying to make her daughter marry someone she doesn't love just for his money. Do you even hear yourself? Money is not more important than her daughter's happiness. Nobody should marry someone they don't love and she was only doing what was best for herself as always.
@@andrewcolinwilson1 No she was not a bad mother. yes i can hear myself. yes money is more important, nothing is free and people need it to survive. yes they should when they are told to, you're parents tell you to do something you do it. she was doing what was best for her and her daughter.
@@travisboutilier2220 Nobody can tell you who to marry except you.
@@andrewcolinwilson1 Not when you're rich or royalty, when you are, you marry who you're told to marry rather you want to or not.
Bro, Ruth frustrated me a lot. I would keep yelling at the screen, “if you like Cal and his money so much, YOU marry him”. Rose was right to just desert them right then and there
She couldn't marry him, she couldn't give birth to heirs. rose was to wrong to leave them like that.
@@travisboutilier2220 Rose isn't a baby producing machine or some gold miner. She is just a 17 years old little girl who wants to live her life to the fullest. Ruth and Cal were pimps who were abusing her. Stop defending them unless you're one of them.
Before anyone feels bad for Rose’s mother Ruth, you should know she left Trudy on the ship. Trudy was the woman who’s dress flys up the back as she slides down the deck as the ship starts going vertical. Trudy absolutely could have gotten into a lifeboat if Ruth had allowed her.
infatti trudy e morta per colpa sua
Rose was a spitfire.
Let's face it, we're all watching these clips after the submarine implosion.
Ruth never cares about her daughter only for the money to survive of the lifestyle after her husband's passing leaving her and Rose nothing but the clothes on their back, facing of getting shunned out of society of the wealth that she ended up pleading towards her friends for the arranged marriage for Rose to marry for wealth and so Cal's parents offer her in this situation to have the wealth back for Rose to marry Cal for the union of wealth and status.
Cal is proof that all the money in the world cannot buy happiness or love.
"Cal" doesn't prove anything because he's a fictional character.....
Actually science does prove money can buy happiness. Maybe not love. But money does make people happy.
@@db7610well said haha.
Yes it can. Drop a million into my lap and I guarantee you I'll be happy. People who say stupid shit like money can't buy happiness, have never struggled at all. It's such a privileged thing to say.
We all know you've never had to struggle. The only people who have ever said that idiotic thing to me are wealthy people.
@@thomasw4506 Women and machinery do not mix.
Rose knows where the necklace is. She just knew where these people hid it…
Rose lifts Cal up “Consider this an Annulment.” Throws him off the boat, in the freezing waters, Suddenly out comes Jason Voorhees. (VII) Jason rips Cal’s Heart out
. Cal dies.
Rose REALLY wants Jack
Well she can't want, he is not worth it and he is not her fiancé, Cal is.
When she spit in Cal’s eye was the best scene he was like wtf she spat at me like a man 😂😂😂😂😂
Just think, her mother may have died believing Rose died on the Titanic 😬
It's sad. Mrs DeWitt Bukater is unjustly demonised by fans.
She did believed that
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 Naah...Rose's Mom had no real interest in her daughter or her happiness, prioritizing her social status in high society and wanting her daughter to marry an abusive and manipulative asshole so that she could continue living her pampered ass dream. Therefore she deserved to be sad at the end of it upon being disowned by her daughter and living in uncertainty for the rest of her life about what became of her.
Well as long as your child is "your extension" you only feel sad that you lose the extension and worry how will you get another one.
Serves her right for not caring about her daughter's happiness.
rose is so beautiful
You do wonder what happened to her mother after. Widowed, and daughter lost at sea, did she try to keep up her act with no money left?
I'd like to think that Cal looked after her. After all, they would have been family had he and Rose wed. For all he and Ruth knew, Rose had perished with the Titanic.
@@aronspidle138 I think Cal would have abandoned her, but Molly might have taken care of her. She might have become Molly's maid
I know few are going to agree but how much more beautiful the story would have been if Jack survived and they made a life together after this ❤ I am imagining that ending of the story :)
The odds are, had Jack survived, they would have been dirt poor in NYC in 1912. Not an easy life. Jack, who is shown to be a gambler (winning his Titanic ticket in a poker game), may have likely gambled away whatever pennies he earned selling his art, or spent it on booze, while Rose worked 14 hour days doing manual labor. Given that she was young and attractive, she likely also would have resorted to prostitution to make ends meet. There was no welfare, no food stamps, no government assistance, no public housing -- if you were in poverty back then with no marketable skills, your existence was pretty bleak. The historical reality of their circumstances probably wouldn't be all that beautiful.
If this was 2023, Rose probably would have gotten fed up with her broke-ass boyfriend pretty quickly.
@@thomasbrennan6303 To be fair, Jack Dawson did work his way through places. But his biggest problem was that he never had a set plan for his life. The film makes it seem as though this is the ideal, but as I have grown older, I prefer Cal's philosophy: "A real man makes his own luck."
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 Jack wasn’t a man, he was a boy. His dreamy “take life as it comes” approach to life is exciting to girls. However, grown women don’t find this exciting. It’s a massive turn off. Women want stability and security. Had Rose grown into a woman with Jack, she would have undoubtedly modified her attitude about him. Teen love rarely becomes a fairy tale, and women fall out of love much more easily than men.
1:12
The part where rose spots was unscripted. Apparently she was meant to prick him with a pin but she spat and it worked better.
It was discussed beforehand what she was going to do and that was Kate's suggestion and Cameron rolled with it
@@Civ33 ah k.
I wonder if Molly helped Ruth after the shipwreck; when Ruth faced other disasters.
Looks like someone will be working as a seamstress after all…
I'd like to think that Cal looked after her. After all, they would have been family had he and Rose wed. For all he and Ruth knew, Rose had perished with the Titanic.
@@aronspidle138 I think Cal would have abandoned her, but Molly might have taken care of her. She might have become Molly's maid
@@aronspidle138 i don’t think that it would’ve been in Cal’s nature to care for her if there was nothing in it for him. With Rose gone, there would’ve been no point for him to keep Ruth around, as there was nothing to gain from that relationship. Besides they say that his family lost all their money later in the collapse of the market. Maybe madhatterster is right and Molly could’ve helped her out.
@@Astridlu26 Cal was significantly changed by the end of the sinking, though.
Ruth: "Do you want to see me working as a seamstress? Is that what you want? To see our fine things sold at auction? Our memories scattered?"
Me: "Let's see when you arrive in America....."
U unimaginable bastard...this line is my favourite ❤
I like how the photos Rose carried with her show that she did all the things her and Jack talked about. Always wondered although not really relevant, if Rose wouldve had any further contact with her mother over the years as well as what became of Ruth being that without Cal marrying her daughter Ruth had nothing
Well i don't, rose shouldn't have done those things, they are not what a first class lady does. if i was able to, i would rip those pictures to shreds like her mother or Cal would have done if they saw them.
@@travisboutilier2220 First class ladies generally do not pimp out their children. Nothing wrong with being a seamstress ....
@@Vydio Sure first class ladies do that. yes there are things wrong with being a seamstress.
@@travisboutilier2220 Your definition of a first class lady and mine are different.
That was so funny when rose spit cal
No it's not funny, it's disgusting.
He deserved it
@@reganchambers1206 yes after what he did to Jack
@@reganchambers1206 No he didn't
Ruth never saw her again either, kinda sad. I never felt pity for her in the past, but in truth she was just trying to maintain the life she was accustomed to her whole life. She did love her daughter very much though.
It was more than maintaining the life she was accustomed to -- it was ensuring the actual life-or-death survival of both her and Rose. Being a penniless woman in 1912 meant homelessness, hunger, privation, disease, and often, needing to turn to prostitution just to survive. Ruth is portrayed as a snob, but if you unpack her character and motivations, she clearly did love Rose and wanted the best life for her -- and the only option was marrying Cal.
@@thomasbrennan6303 Exactly! Well put! I just understand her better now.
@@thomasbrennan6303 Spot on, though Mrs DeWitt Bukater does mention working as a seamstress. There would have been jobs for women back then, but they would probably involved a significant step down in living standards. Rose would have been more financially secure by marrying the son of a steel tycoon. I'm assuming a seamstress would be relatively low paid, hence Mrs DeWitt Bukater being brought to tears at the thought of having to sell off her possessions to live and losing the family legacy. I'm astonished that Titanic fans act as though Rose was the oppressed woman, completely ignoring the dire reality of being left a widow and worrying about the bad debts that her husband had left.
I would have told Ruth have fun being a seamstress
She did this to herself 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Roses fiancé is the WORST ONE EVER!!
Rose’s mother & Cal should be a couple
Gross 🤢🤮
They deserve each other.
Ruth was wicked woman and mother good on rose for walking out of her life
How was she wicked?
Good that Rose came to her senses and decided not to go through with marrying a very wealthy man that she wasn't in love with so that she & her mother wouldn't be poor anymore. Odd it hasn't been told what became of Rose's mother after she was rescued and taken to New York City.
It seems like she was forcing rose to marry Cal because he was rich and had money she told her to stay away from Jack because he was poor and broke but rose knew in her who she really loved because Cal didn't love he was too mean and bossy but Jack was kind and gave her love but Cal gave her the heart of the ocean and that's not what rose wanted she wanted someone to love her for who she is and Rose knew they didn't but Jack did it's good that she didn't get on the boat because if she did go with them she will be miserable and feeling guilty about leaving Jack and not believing him.
Great film love this film more than anything
I don 't understand how some stupid people with their respective comments, criticizing Rose for her right decision (defending Rose 's mother and Cal, unjustly).
People are not stupid, what rose is doing is disrespectfully running away from her mother and fiancé.
@@travisboutilier2220 PLEASE!! STOP TO SAY BULLSHITS!! You are so toxic like Rose ' mother and Cal.
@@lorenapavelek6733 No i will not stop and don't use the b word. i am not toxic and roses mother and Cal aren't either you bully.
Oh shit…I just watched this video….with realization.
Rose should have gotten on the lifeboat the second time. That way jack could have focused on saving himself instead of both of them.
Such efforts were doomed to be unsuccessful, since most people on the ship died.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 don’t matter. Trying to save just yourself is far easier than saving yourself and another.
It’s the moment she realize Cal planted the diamond in Jack’s “coat” and framed him. She realized no matter what she could do Cal was a selfish prick.
However, the plan of framing Jack backfired......
I've always wondered what happened to Rose's mom after the Titanic. I know she never saw her again but everytime i look her up they say that nothing is known about what happened to her. Thay should write something like if she went back to being a seamstress or if she ended up marrying a rich guy.
I actually like the choice to leave her story unresolved. It shows how people's lives didn't get a nice tidy ending. Like so many people, Ruth lost everything and then.... who knows.
She probably would have been ok. She probably had distant family i.e cousins nieces nephews etc that may have looked after her. On top of that she would have had the sympathy vote from the upper class clique having lost her daughter on the titanic, she also had the status of a titanic survivor too.
You can tell that boat was nowhere near full not even half full. Yet they claimed there weren't enough. There was plenty, they just weren't being filled to capacity
No there still was not enough boats and this has been mentioned multiple times. But the crew also was not filling boats to capacity. One boat only had 12 people on it
There were insufficient lifeboats on board, but this was in line with existing lifeboat regulations. But you're right that more people could have been saved on the lifeboats. The problem was that the crew hadn't done a ifeboat drill, and neither had the passengers.
Awesome I love it
I would've loved to see a redemption arc for Ruth, where when Rose ran away from her, Ruth hawled herself back onto the ship as the boat was being lowered.
Well, a redemption arc for Ruth is implied by her leaning on Molly Brown for support after the sinking.