I imagine there's possibly going to be some larger departures from the source material in the new Thunder Saga, especially considering the two Unnamed Songs and that he's outright said on multiple occasions there's going to be departures in the saga.
@@ja-melvinson7994I genuinely got an A on a history essay on Alexander due to watching Hamilton and memorizing little fun facts I searched up because of my downright obsession at the time 😭
He already said something about this. An animated film would look awesome. I'll see if I can find the particular video. I can't post a link directly to the video but it's called "Goals for the future"
"I'm sorry teach, I didn't read the Odyssey, I just listened to EPIC..." * teacher picks up trident * 🎶"The line between naivete and hopefulness is almost invisible..."🎶
I didn't have to read the Odyssey in school, and even if I did, Epic wouldn't have been out yet, but I do know that Hamilton helped me remember early US history. I still did study, but I didn't study very hard
I read The Odyssey for the first time after discovering EPIC, finished it in one day, and loved it!! Totally never thought I’d be a Greek mythology nerd, but what’s life without a little unexpected drama lol
HOW THE HECK DID YOU READ THE ENTIRE ODDESSY IN ONE DAY?! DID YOU JUST NOT EAT, DRINK OR SLEEP FOR THE WHOLE DAY?! TELL ME YOUR SECRETS, I NEED THIS POWER!!!
@@rafaelaguirre8091 theres a lot of abridged versions of the odyssey. when i was in high school, we read an abridged version from a random literature textbook in 9th or 10th grade. i remember reading abridged versions of romeo and juliet and the crucible as well.
I love how you have to say this, especially the mention of Winions 🤣🤣 (Also my English teacher is the mythology teacher so she would probably love EPIC)
I actually had my Odyssey unit right when I discovered Epic, the Ocean Saga was announced whilst I was reading through it. Because of Epic I was so hyped that whole unit!
It’s actually really funny because my English teacher is the only other Epic fan that I know in real life, so when we did our Odyssey Unit she actually had us act out certain scenes from the Odyssey and played Epic at the end of class which was cool!
I definitely could see at least a couple English and Mythology teachers having multiple choices tests with the Epic version as an answer just to see who actually read it and who only listened to Epic
As someone who needs to know the Odyssey for his Greek exam tomorrow, I just use it as a little (musical) bonus on top of the source material. Good adaptations aren't afraid to change things up, and you've been handling this aspect amazingly!
I introduced my English teacher to Epic when we started our Odyssey section (she loved it and I bought a physical copy of The Odyssey to read all of it since we skipped over parts in our class reading). Our final project was to make a Wanted poster for an antagonist in The Odyssey (or Odysseus if we wanted to). That included drawing the character, writing down specific character traits that they are mentioned to have and then writing a paragraph as to why they’re important to The Odyssey. I chose Poseidon. Y’know the guy that didn’t show up at all and is only mentioned in the parts we read. My paragraph on why He was important was more of me trying to convince myself that he was even a character at all. I got a good grade on that project, but I don’t recommend copying my example.
In fairness Poseidon does have an effect on the story, even if he never shows up "on stage" so to speak. I think that's a rather clever choice of antagonists 🙂
I did a project for the Odyssey too. But instead of making a wanted poster, we were put in groups and make a board game. The class had to try and play it. I wish I found Epic sooner so I could have showed my teacher. ❤
@@danitini14 yeah, my argument was ‘well Polyphemus calls for Poseidon to do all this bad shit to Odysseus and guess what happens? The same bad shit Polyphemus asks for-so Poseidon was clearly listening and therefore he is a character. Please do not make me redo this assignment I spent most of my time drawing Poseidon and cannot afford to get a bad grade on this.’ I wish I had taken a picture of the paragraph I made, like I did the drawing of Poseidon, because it genuinely makes me laugh at how stubborn I was to make him a character just because he was in Epic and I for some reason just had to have that connection between both of my, then very intense, interests.
When we studied The Odyssey in high school, I felt like such a boss because I was the only one who finished reading it. So, to study it, our teacher assigned an island or stop or saga for each of us. And we did a presentation on it for the whole class. I got assigned Polyphemus so that was fun. Anyway, because we didn't have enough students in class with how our teacher divided the topics, the presentations never reached Ithaca, I think. Or at least it never reached Odysseus returning to the castle. Fast forward to the end of the Odyssey, our teacher took over presenting the final topics and when she asked what the final challenge Penelope posed for Odysseus to prove that he was in fact Odysseus, I kid you not, no one raised their hands. I knew the answer, so I slowly raised my hand. Teacher saw and she did acknowledge me, but she wanted to check one more if anyone else had finished the Odyssey. She even gave a clue that the final test involved a bed and, predictably, several giggles broke out. When she finally called me to share what happened in the end, I felt like such a boss. Long story short, read the Odyssey. It's Epic.
I love that Jorge advises us to not take EPIC word for word (or rather, song for song) as material for Homer's the Odyssey, like he's so worried abt us failing school cuz we were too busy listening to this mythological musical (it's a bop ngl, go stream EPIC✨) that he created to even read the source material-😅🙏🏽✨ Also that "I want you to succeed!-🥹" at the end really shows us just how wholesome this dude is-🥹🙏🏽✨ Love your vibes and this musical, Jay, can't wait till the Thunder Saga releases!~ 🙏🏽🌩️✨
My English teacher asked us while discussing Machiavelli "What qualities make a good leader?" and without missing a beat, I raised my hand and said "a capacity for Ruthlessness since it is mercy upon yourself and your people" and that was my basis and stance in essays for the rest of the quarter lmao
i wrote about you and epic in my general paper final, and i very much already used epic on my odyssey test. it actually helped me remembering some of the characters and the gods lol. thank you for making this masterpiece!!!!!
Genuinely guys, read it! I am Greek and it was part of our curriculum in 5th or 6th grade (can't remember which anymore), and it was nearly everyone's favourite class. It is a mix between a tragedy and a fantasy novel, and it's got something for everyone: it's got romance, it's got adventure, it's got drama, it's got a badass trickster protagonist with trauma. Do yourselves a favour and give it a chance!
Okay, but hear me out, it would have been REALLY funny if Poseidon waxed philosophical at Odysseus in the most melodramatic way possible in the actual Odyssey.
I absolutely love EPIC and it has allowed me to create my own stories from your songs and adapt them to different worlds and characters and it’s amazing!
Literally as we speak, I’ve been trying to get my English teacher into EPIC. Hasn’t happened yet, but either way I’m going to keep recommending others to listen to Epic: The Musical because honestly it’s amazing 🤩
The original poem is actually so amazing, but I started rereading recently and EPIC just starts playing in my head as the background to each section, and it's actually epic! (Get it get it?) Anyway, I think it's awesome how you created a backing track for the poem in my head, but I am guilty of stopping in the middle of the poem to just vibe to the EPIC music in my head. 😅
I graduated highschool 6 years ago now, but I loved the musical so much that I shared it with my old literature teacher (cause she is amazing and the class we learned the Odyssey in), and now she is playing your music for them in class!
As an encouraging thought, my mother in law taught highschool English for years and she said that it's obvious you did your research for this musical. She also loves Epic.
I had a kid use your musical for a full presentation on the Odyssey and was surprised me and the teacher kept calling him out on how off he was, keep your interests separate and always find reliable sources people, we literally had a 2 month lesson on reliable sources before that, love you as always Jorge
As a former English teacher: yes. Students don't often realize there is a difference between adaptations and source material. Adaptations are great companions, not so great as primary sources
I read the Odyssey and I agree, it’s good!! I used Epic to get a better understanding of the plot, but reading the Odyssey made sure I knew what actually happened 👌
Yeah the creative liberty you took with Elpenor was wild. #justiceforelpenor All jokes aside the original Odyessey is fantastic and Epic just enhances the experience if you know it already so yeah reading is cool!
Love this, I remember when we were reading the Odyssey, my class felt so bad for Penelope, because she’s waiting for Odysseus for years and staying faithful to him, and he cheats on her twice. I appreciate you changing that for Epic, but it’s always made me wonder if Odysseus felt bad for doing that in the original text. Anyways kiddos read the Odyssey, it’s a good read!
"Do we even need to talk about the ending of the Circe Saga?" 🤣🤣🤣 Another prime example why you should also read the book for your test. Also just read the book even if you aren't in school. Its great!
I actually read the original novel (well the translation) because I was loving the songs from Epic. Best decision ever. The Odyssey is now one of my favorite books ever. So I must thank you for getting me to read such a masterpiece. I also wanted to tell you that your musical is a masterpiece that really captures the spirit of the original. I really loved the creative liberties you took. They truly were fascinating and added so much to the story
honestly i never expected the musical to match up 1:1 with the actual events, especially with the 558 easter egg, and the year on circe's island being mostly skipped over. but i also found that a fair bit of it does incorporate elements well. like how polyphemes shows the "nobody" strategy, or how there are other ways aludes to the SA without being explicit. or gives genuinely great and meaningful addons and explanations the oddessy doesn't give. like how "my goodbye" explains why athena didn't help out in the story until later on, and how "warrior of the mind" explains how athena and odysseus met and why athena should care
my teacher listens to epic she also had us read the odyssey and had multiple bonus point questions about epic and had all the epic sagas in the materials we should use to prepare for the test. I passed that test with 100%+100% on bonus questions with a note that said "you truly are a Warrior of the mind".
I took a Greek mythology class last semester and I love the Odyssey so I did a cover/analysis of The Challenge for my final project and my classics professor LOVED it! 🥰
@@buggymah I actually took it as a college course! Totally recommend doing it for anyone who decided to go to college, most colleges will have a classics department!
We love you yapping about things. :) EPIC is actually what got me into greek mythology and into wanting to read the Iliad and the Odyssey. I was shocked when I found out that certain events were *completely* different from EPIC, though. 😅 Hope you have a nice day!
Actually, I made a reference to Epic in my essay about the Odyssey. And I came with an A (well, actually in Mexico is a 10). ^-^ And yes, I already read the book, and I'll do it again. ^-^ Thanks for your work. Keep going.
this is sooo real lol. while i did listen to epic first, reading the story after (for school) definitely was fun because i did recognize where they were different and the same! it definitely gave me more of a love for both!! and i love how you’re pointing this out 😭
We're actually studying the Odyssey right now! The other day,the teacher wanted to verify that everyone has read the material,so she was asking us one by one about certain parts. I had to explain the part with the Cyclops,(Yeah,I checked out the material just in case,so I didn't mention the winions and all that stuff.)It was super easy and fun,and I started talking about Odysseus,his plan,his mistake and the impact in the story. I got a bit excited and I even started mimicking Odysseus revealing his name to the Polyphemus. The teacher was like "Wow,you really *love* the Odyssey, don't you? 10/10!" I would have passed either way,but only a musical can get me to speak as passionately about something.
Really appreciate that you made this video and said this, yes the odyssey and EPIC are different, and that's part of the fun 😊 If you're looking for a crash course reference of the odyssey, I recommend Overly Sarcastic Productions odyssey summarized. It's short, sweet, and fun
Jay’s such a real one for watching out for his listeners/viewers who are minors. And as a minor who has read the odyssey I approve this message ♪(๑ᴖ◡ᴖ๑)♪
This is a great way to warn students to not rely on you as a primary source. I know your story is different in a lot of ways. But I do enjoy where you take things, and I enjoy how in some places you linger or streamline to enhance the narrative
I absolutely loved reading the odyssey, what’s funny about this is that i actually recommended EPIC to my English teacher AFTER I read the Odyssey and she loved it! But yeah if you get the chance I think everyone should read it it’s a great book!
Good thing you mentioned this, cause Odysseus slept with like.... 3 women in the original poem, he had no loyalty, just love and lust. Circe he slept with for a year, but Calypso is complicated.
I’m so glad you mentioned this! I actually started to read the Trojan cycle and was curious to see the differences between epic and the odyssey! There are certainly many (you make Circe infinitely more likable). Kiddos in class, go read the Odyssey. Epic will lowkey hit harder (I sobbed during the gathering of shades)
I found epic bc I was doing a lil final summary as a quick last minute summary before my final and stumbled upon EPIC! Fav character in the Odyssey is Circe, but I definitely like Hermes the best in EPIC
My first listen of Epic I thought I was going crazy thinking I had forgotten or misremembered parts of the story. EPIC is a great rendition of this story, though. Especially with the change to focus on Odysseus' character motivations. Great change
I had my high school Odyssey experience before I even discovered EPIC, and I honestly think that made it even more fun. The delight I felt when finding out that in this version, Odysseus DIDN'T cheat on Penelope with Circe cannot even be described, and it's really fun watching what Jay decided to change and to keep from the original. For school, I only had to read an abridged version, and EPIC is really making me want to read the whole thing in full.
BUT as an English teacher who used to teach The Odyssey, I would've loved to play some of your songs to draw parallels from the epic poems to your musical. I do recommend to read the original source! Even my students who hated reading actually quite enjoyed it!
I'm working on becoming an English teacher, and if I get placed as a Freshman teacher and have to teach the Odyssey, I'm going to make it an assignment to watch modern adaptations of the Odyssey (there are a lot), and I'm definitely going to include Epic and have them pick out comparisons! I had to read the Odyssey as a student, and I remember finding comparisons being one of my favorite things, so I feel like having music that sort of corresponds to certain events, even if it's not completely accurate and like you said, you took those creative liberties (as you should/can; it's not like the Greeks weren't already doing that), will help students connect, especially when these songs are so fun.
I love this, this feels like this video came from Jorge suddenly realizing that there are some students who would DEFINITELY use EPIC as a replacement for reading the Odyssey, so he made this video. Thanks Jorge! 😂❤
I literally *just* had this same conversation with my younger sisters about Epic and The Odyssey last night! So funny that you have now mentioned it too! Also, yes! Absolutely read The Odyssey! I loved reading it in school and would have loved having Epic to supplement my reading and to had our teachers lead discussions on why certain liberties may or may not have been taken and why we create art like adaptations of iconic pieces. This is just some of these reasons why I'm really excited for Epic and it's impact on the world of creative arts!
I love the Odyssey so deeply. It changed my life when I read it in high school. Also, if anyone is interested in learning more about Greek mythology and reading the “prequel” to the Odyssey, The Iliad as translated by Emily Wilson is EXCELLENT and so beautifully fluid and rhythmic you will love it.
Thank you for making this video, I have had very concerning replies to my comments often that lead me to believe people think retellings (e.g Medusa, The Song of Achilles [you know what you did Miller], and of course EPIC) are the actual greek myths
This is why spark notes exist-- but also the Odyssey is SO so good it was my fave in high school. Also EPIC has been my brain worm since finding it so both is good. Honestly an analysis on how changing some of the moments adds or deters from the original themes would be a sick essay to write.
I wonder how many kids have failed their literature tests because of this XD Thank you Mr. Jalapeño for clearing this up, I'm sure plenty of test grades are gonna get saved
Honestly I thank you so much for this Musical as it has inspired me to read The Odyssey! Not only that- but I also The Iliad, The Song of Achilles, and Circe. It’s fair to say I have a bunch of reading to be doing heheh
fun fact: as someone who as studied the odyssey times and times again, i love listening to EPIC for this exact reason! i love the changes you've made, and seeing Odysseus more of an actual human and less of the ✨great epic hero✨that he is in the odyssey just makes me love this musical even more. So, keep it up with the good work man💪
This is a message people need to remember for all original material to adaptation situations. Thank you so much for sending this out. And I absolutely love your portrayals of Athena and Hermes, they feel so...right.
I think adaptations are important for exposure, and a spring board for exploring further and getting people into the source material, and I love them for that
I mean I can totally imagine cannon odysseus telling it like the epic version happened to him. Because he did tell people what happend to him those last ten years with varying levels of bullshit, a couple of times on page already
I literally discovered EPIC a few weeks ago, with Survive, when we were covering the cyclops part at school. Made it a lot more interesting to do my work while listening to it :)
Listening to Epic after already reading the Odyssey and being tested on it is actually so cool! I wouldn’t enjoy it so much if it wasn’t so creative with its character choices
Fun Fact I actually just requested my library to ship the english translation of the odyssey for me (from one library to another) to read (I'l dutch) spefically bc you had mentioned the differnces in other videos. This will be my first time reading any greek story all thanks to EPIC. Thank Jay!!!
There are many Odyssey comic books! If you have a short attention span, read them back to back with the original and online summary. Comics and novels with beautiful illustrations will stick with you. I now know all the stories deep by heart. It is worth the $6-$12 bucks
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"Things have been changed for the Thunder Saga" What, is Zeus a good dad/husband? 😂
Love EPIC so much, can't wait to see the new saga!
Nahh we'd need a different dimension for that
Oh, don't worry, that's not the case 😄
Hearing thunder bringer? NOPE LMAO.
@@elenjulia8271 fair 😂
@DinoandGalaxy also fair 😂🤣
yap yap yap odyssey odyssey odyssey epic epic epic rawr rawr rawr 🦖🦖🦖
Dino
The monster has returned
First here and I can a test to this 😂😂😂😂
Rawr 🦖 also epic is the best
Rawr rawr 🦖 ✨
Did someone confess they failed a test because they followed the musical? Is that what prompted this PSA? 🤣😭
People have said many times that they passed their us history test because of Hamilton so I can see this being on Jorge’s brain for a WHILE
That’s actually partially how I passed my history test 😭
@@ja-melvinson7994 Also I wonder how many people failed but they would be too embarrassed to tell imao.
I imagine there's possibly going to be some larger departures from the source material in the new Thunder Saga, especially considering the two Unnamed Songs and that he's outright said on multiple occasions there's going to be departures in the saga.
@@ja-melvinson7994I genuinely got an A on a history essay on Alexander due to watching Hamilton and memorizing little fun facts I searched up because of my downright obsession at the time 😭
Please pitch this to Netflix as a Hamilton like play, I want to see an actual performance of this!
Absolutely
YESSSS❤
Yesss
He already said something about this. An animated film would look awesome. I'll see if I can find the particular video. I can't post a link directly to the video but it's called "Goals for the future"
@@theradlad5615 I also think a live action version would be really good, but I understand how expensive that could get
Funfact: i didn't study on my odyssey test because I watch and listen to epic, and got a 95%. I think that's w win
Epic W bro
Yea, EPIC win
Don't Encourage them XD
Depends on how general the test questions are tbfh. If they're more specific, then you're borked.
@@slightlyuncomfortable it wasn't that specific
"I'm sorry teach, I didn't read the Odyssey, I just listened to EPIC..."
* teacher picks up trident * 🎶"The line between naivete and hopefulness is almost invisible..."🎶
* teacher becomes an owl * 🎶"You're not looking for a mentor, I'm not looking for a friend..."🎶
"So close your heart, the world is dark and..."
(Ruthlessness is mercy)
"...fail."
@@LiliannEnder within seconds, every single grade on the student's powerschool drops to zero, one by one.
Jorge doesn’t want angry English Lit teachers coming for him😂 He does not want them to go “Pampám!”🦖🦖
I used Epic to gain a better understanding, but I read it too!! This was helpful, but I don’t take it word for word :)
I haven't read the Odyssey yet, but at least bc of Epic I know some things that will happen like Odysseus and his men come to Circe's island :D
Better understanding? On what
@@trla6505 just of the Odyssey in general, the one I read was a bit old-timey and hard to understand, so this helped me see what it was talking about
@@trla6505 They mean that earlier they didn't know anything about the Odyssey and they listened to Epic to know something about the Odyssey
I didn't have to read the Odyssey in school, and even if I did, Epic wouldn't have been out yet, but I do know that Hamilton helped me remember early US history. I still did study, but I didn't study very hard
I read The Odyssey for the first time after discovering EPIC, finished it in one day, and loved it!! Totally never thought I’d be a Greek mythology nerd, but what’s life without a little unexpected drama lol
HOW THE HECK DID YOU READ THE ENTIRE ODDESSY IN ONE DAY?! DID YOU JUST NOT EAT, DRINK OR SLEEP FOR THE WHOLE DAY?! TELL ME YOUR SECRETS, I NEED THIS POWER!!!
YES I NEES TO KNOW HOW !!! @@rafaelaguirre8091
@@rafaelaguirre8091 theres a lot of abridged versions of the odyssey. when i was in high school, we read an abridged version from a random literature textbook in 9th or 10th grade. i remember reading abridged versions of romeo and juliet and the crucible as well.
THE ENTIRE THING IN ONE DAY?! I can't even finish Son of Neptune within a month 😭😭
The entire Odyssey IN ONE DAY? Your might is too powerful
I love how you have to say this, especially the mention of Winions 🤣🤣
(Also my English teacher is the mythology teacher so she would probably love EPIC)
You should ask her if she’s watched it after class sometime!
@@GleamDrawz Sadly I’ve graduated so I cannot ask her but if I do visit then I definitely will
Ya “ITS TREASURE”!
Wat.
There’s a MYTHOLOGY CLASS
The musical definitely helps humanize the characters and definitely makes it feel more personal
I actually had my Odyssey unit right when I discovered Epic, the Ocean Saga was announced whilst I was reading through it. Because of Epic I was so hyped that whole unit!
It’s actually really funny because my English teacher is the only other Epic fan that I know in real life, so when we did our Odyssey Unit she actually had us act out certain scenes from the Odyssey and played Epic at the end of class which was cool!
That is AMAZING
@@buggymahThis life is amazing 😢😊😢
Hamilton moment, so many confused History teachers, it's the English teachers time now
I definitely could see at least a couple English and Mythology teachers having multiple choices tests with the Epic version as an answer just to see who actually read it and who only listened to Epic
As someone who needs to know the Odyssey for his Greek exam tomorrow, I just use it as a little (musical) bonus on top of the source material. Good adaptations aren't afraid to change things up, and you've been handling this aspect amazingly!
Honestly same, and I have an exam on the odyssey (classical civilizations) tomorrow too😂 Good luck for yours!
@@_____________________4318Hey, how'd your exam go?
@@_____________________4318How'd your exam go?
I introduced my English teacher to Epic when we started our Odyssey section (she loved it and I bought a physical copy of The Odyssey to read all of it since we skipped over parts in our class reading). Our final project was to make a Wanted poster for an antagonist in The Odyssey (or Odysseus if we wanted to). That included drawing the character, writing down specific character traits that they are mentioned to have and then writing a paragraph as to why they’re important to The Odyssey.
I chose Poseidon. Y’know the guy that didn’t show up at all and is only mentioned in the parts we read. My paragraph on why He was important was more of me trying to convince myself that he was even a character at all.
I got a good grade on that project, but I don’t recommend copying my example.
In fairness Poseidon does have an effect on the story, even if he never shows up "on stage" so to speak. I think that's a rather clever choice of antagonists 🙂
That’s really cool
I did a project for the Odyssey too. But instead of making a wanted poster, we were put in groups and make a board game. The class had to try and play it. I wish I found Epic sooner so I could have showed my teacher. ❤
@@danitini14 yeah, my argument was ‘well Polyphemus calls for Poseidon to do all this bad shit to Odysseus and guess what happens? The same bad shit Polyphemus asks for-so Poseidon was clearly listening and therefore he is a character. Please do not make me redo this assignment I spent most of my time drawing Poseidon and cannot afford to get a bad grade on this.’
I wish I had taken a picture of the paragraph I made, like I did the drawing of Poseidon, because it genuinely makes me laugh at how stubborn I was to make him a character just because he was in Epic and I for some reason just had to have that connection between both of my, then very intense, interests.
Poseidon? He showed up when Odysseus was about to reach Phaeacia
When we studied The Odyssey in high school, I felt like such a boss because I was the only one who finished reading it.
So, to study it, our teacher assigned an island or stop or saga for each of us. And we did a presentation on it for the whole class. I got assigned Polyphemus so that was fun. Anyway, because we didn't have enough students in class with how our teacher divided the topics, the presentations never reached Ithaca, I think. Or at least it never reached Odysseus returning to the castle.
Fast forward to the end of the Odyssey, our teacher took over presenting the final topics and when she asked what the final challenge Penelope posed for Odysseus to prove that he was in fact Odysseus, I kid you not, no one raised their hands.
I knew the answer, so I slowly raised my hand. Teacher saw and she did acknowledge me, but she wanted to check one more if anyone else had finished the Odyssey.
She even gave a clue that the final test involved a bed and, predictably, several giggles broke out.
When she finally called me to share what happened in the end, I felt like such a boss.
Long story short, read the Odyssey. It's Epic.
I love that Jorge advises us to not take EPIC word for word (or rather, song for song) as material for Homer's the Odyssey, like he's so worried abt us failing school cuz we were too busy listening to this mythological musical (it's a bop ngl, go stream EPIC✨) that he created to even read the source material-😅🙏🏽✨
Also that "I want you to succeed!-🥹" at the end really shows us just how wholesome this dude is-🥹🙏🏽✨
Love your vibes and this musical, Jay, can't wait till the Thunder Saga releases!~ 🙏🏽🌩️✨
This is so oddly specific 😂 I'm dying of laughter
My English teacher asked us while discussing Machiavelli "What qualities make a good leader?" and without missing a beat, I raised my hand and said "a capacity for Ruthlessness since it is mercy upon yourself and your people" and that was my basis and stance in essays for the rest of the quarter lmao
Jay's laugh and smile make me feel totally better!! 😂❤
i wrote about you and epic in my general paper final, and i very much already used epic on my odyssey test. it actually helped me remembering some of the characters and the gods lol. thank you for making this masterpiece!!!!!
As a student required to read the odyssey for school, I will take this into account, thank you.
I love how you take creative liberties in epic but ones that impact the story in a positive way rather than just for plot convenience❤❤❤
A very important message lol, Epic is certainly quite different from The Odyssey (especially in the motivations of characters) and both are awesome.
Genuinely guys, read it! I am Greek and it was part of our curriculum in 5th or 6th grade (can't remember which anymore), and it was nearly everyone's favourite class. It is a mix between a tragedy and a fantasy novel, and it's got something for everyone: it's got romance, it's got adventure, it's got drama, it's got a badass trickster protagonist with trauma. Do yourselves a favour and give it a chance!
Okay, but hear me out, it would have been REALLY funny if Poseidon waxed philosophical at Odysseus in the most melodramatic way possible in the actual Odyssey.
I absolutely love EPIC and it has allowed me to create my own stories from your songs and adapt them to different worlds and characters and it’s amazing!
Literally as we speak, I’ve been trying to get my English teacher into EPIC. Hasn’t happened yet, but either way I’m going to keep recommending others to listen to Epic: The Musical because honestly it’s amazing 🤩
Using EPIC as a cheat code from reading the Odyssey is hilarious😂😂😂
(I did that for my TSI English Class)
Don't worry, I didn't use Epic as study material for the Odessy...
I used Percy Jackson
The original poem is actually so amazing, but I started rereading recently and EPIC just starts playing in my head as the background to each section, and it's actually epic! (Get it get it?) Anyway, I think it's awesome how you created a backing track for the poem in my head, but I am guilty of stopping in the middle of the poem to just vibe to the EPIC music in my head. 😅
“I want you to succeed!” That’s lowkey wholesome and motivating 😂🫶🏻
I graduated highschool 6 years ago now, but I loved the musical so much that I shared it with my old literature teacher (cause she is amazing and the class we learned the Odyssey in), and now she is playing your music for them in class!
As an encouraging thought, my mother in law taught highschool English for years and she said that it's obvious you did your research for this musical. She also loves Epic.
I had a kid use your musical for a full presentation on the Odyssey and was surprised me and the teacher kept calling him out on how off he was, keep your interests separate and always find reliable sources people, we literally had a 2 month lesson on reliable sources before that, love you as always Jorge
As a former English teacher: yes. Students don't often realize there is a difference between adaptations and source material. Adaptations are great companions, not so great as primary sources
I read the Odyssey and I agree, it’s good!! I used Epic to get a better understanding of the plot, but reading the Odyssey made sure I knew what actually happened 👌
Yeah the creative liberty you took with Elpenor was wild. #justiceforelpenor
All jokes aside the original Odyessey is fantastic and Epic just enhances the experience if you know it already so yeah reading is cool!
Well warned. I noticed when looking up stuff to learn more. I do appreciate some of the changes you've made. You tell this story well Jay.
If epic were thing back when I was an English teacher, I absolutely would've incorporated into my lessons for the odyssey somehow.
Love this, I remember when we were reading the Odyssey, my class felt so bad for Penelope, because she’s waiting for Odysseus for years and staying faithful to him, and he cheats on her twice. I appreciate you changing that for Epic, but it’s always made me wonder if Odysseus felt bad for doing that in the original text. Anyways kiddos read the Odyssey, it’s a good read!
"Do we even need to talk about the ending of the Circe Saga?" 🤣🤣🤣 Another prime example why you should also read the book for your test. Also just read the book even if you aren't in school. Its great!
I wish they had mythology classes tbh-🦖🦖🦖
My school used to, and then they got rid of it. I was so pissed.
Though it may not be accurate, this musical is so good and makes me feel like I at least know a few really cool songs about what we're learning ❤😊
I'm Greek. I needed this motivation when I was in junior high school and we were studying Odyssey!!
You made me love Odyssey ❤️. Thank you
I had an Odyssey unit during the Circe Saga release, and I felt like an expert on all thing Greek Mythology 😂
FIRST I AM THE MONSTER RAWR RAWR RAWR😢😢🦖 that lyric was so scary
Second actually another person beat you to it by one second
@@Dragonfruitinspace who?
I was the first one to like
I actually read the original novel (well the translation) because I was loving the songs from Epic. Best decision ever. The Odyssey is now one of my favorite books ever. So I must thank you for getting me to read such a masterpiece. I also wanted to tell you that your musical is a masterpiece that really captures the spirit of the original. I really loved the creative liberties you took. They truly were fascinating and added so much to the story
honestly i never expected the musical to match up 1:1 with the actual events, especially with the 558 easter egg, and the year on circe's island being mostly skipped over. but i also found that a fair bit of it does incorporate elements well. like how polyphemes shows the "nobody" strategy, or how there are other ways aludes to the SA without being explicit. or gives genuinely great and meaningful addons and explanations the oddessy doesn't give. like how "my goodbye" explains why athena didn't help out in the story until later on, and how "warrior of the mind" explains how athena and odysseus met and why athena should care
my teacher listens to epic she also had us read the odyssey and had multiple bonus point questions about epic and had all the epic sagas in the materials we should use to prepare for the test. I passed that test with 100%+100% on bonus questions with a note that said "you truly are a Warrior of the mind".
I took a Greek mythology class last semester and I love the Odyssey so I did a cover/analysis of The Challenge for my final project and my classics professor LOVED it! 🥰
You have KNOW IDEA how fast I would take a Greek mythology class if my school had one
@@buggymah I actually took it as a college course! Totally recommend doing it for anyone who decided to go to college, most colleges will have a classics department!
When I go to college I’ll definitely take a class like that
We love you yapping about things. :)
EPIC is actually what got me into greek mythology and into wanting to read the Iliad and the Odyssey. I was shocked when I found out that certain events were *completely* different from EPIC, though. 😅 Hope you have a nice day!
Actually, I made a reference to Epic in my essay about the Odyssey. And I came with an A (well, actually in Mexico is a 10). ^-^ And yes, I already read the book, and I'll do it again. ^-^ Thanks for your work. Keep going.
Took my Classics A-Level exam a few weeks ago 🎉 Was humming Polythemus in my head while trying to remember the vaguest characters like Proteus.
this is sooo real lol.
while i did listen to epic first, reading the story after (for school) definitely was fun because i did recognize where they were different and the same! it definitely gave me more of a love for both!!
and i love how you’re pointing this out 😭
We're actually studying the Odyssey right now! The other day,the teacher wanted to verify that everyone has read the material,so she was asking us one by one about certain parts. I had to explain the part with the Cyclops,(Yeah,I checked out the material just in case,so I didn't mention the winions and all that stuff.)It was super easy and fun,and I started talking about Odysseus,his plan,his mistake and the impact in the story. I got a bit excited and I even started mimicking Odysseus revealing his name to the Polyphemus. The teacher was like "Wow,you really *love* the Odyssey, don't you? 10/10!" I would have passed either way,but only a musical can get me to speak as passionately about something.
Really appreciate that you made this video and said this, yes the odyssey and EPIC are different, and that's part of the fun 😊
If you're looking for a crash course reference of the odyssey, I recommend Overly Sarcastic Productions odyssey summarized. It's short, sweet, and fun
I love the Odyssey! I got into Epic after reading the Odyssey.
Jay’s such a real one for watching out for his listeners/viewers who are minors. And as a minor who has read the odyssey I approve this message ♪(๑ᴖ◡ᴖ๑)♪
This is a great way to warn students to not rely on you as a primary source. I know your story is different in a lot of ways.
But I do enjoy where you take things, and I enjoy how in some places you linger or streamline to enhance the narrative
As the wife of an english teacher, he actually uses Epic as a comparison and interest hook to encourage them to read the odyssey.
I absolutely loved reading the odyssey, what’s funny about this is that i actually recommended EPIC to my English teacher AFTER I read the Odyssey and she loved it! But yeah if you get the chance I think everyone should read it it’s a great book!
This vid is FRESH
Ok, as someone who has read the Odyssey. I can confirm, it is WILDLY different.
i am in fact a student and have a test on the odyssey coming up, but i listen to epic for inspiration to actually read the book
Good thing you mentioned this, cause Odysseus slept with like.... 3 women in the original poem, he had no loyalty, just love and lust. Circe he slept with for a year, but Calypso is complicated.
I’m so glad you mentioned this! I actually started to read the Trojan cycle and was curious to see the differences between epic and the odyssey! There are certainly many (you make Circe infinitely more likable). Kiddos in class, go read the Odyssey. Epic will lowkey hit harder (I sobbed during the gathering of shades)
I found epic bc I was doing a lil final summary as a quick last minute summary before my final and stumbled upon EPIC! Fav character in the Odyssey is Circe, but I definitely like Hermes the best in EPIC
First! Love your music! ❤
My first listen of Epic I thought I was going crazy thinking I had forgotten or misremembered parts of the story. EPIC is a great rendition of this story, though. Especially with the change to focus on Odysseus' character motivations. Great change
I had my high school Odyssey experience before I even discovered EPIC, and I honestly think that made it even more fun. The delight I felt when finding out that in this version, Odysseus DIDN'T cheat on Penelope with Circe cannot even be described, and it's really fun watching what Jay decided to change and to keep from the original.
For school, I only had to read an abridged version, and EPIC is really making me want to read the whole thing in full.
BUT as an English teacher who used to teach The Odyssey, I would've loved to play some of your songs to draw parallels from the epic poems to your musical. I do recommend to read the original source! Even my students who hated reading actually quite enjoyed it!
I'm working on becoming an English teacher, and if I get placed as a Freshman teacher and have to teach the Odyssey, I'm going to make it an assignment to watch modern adaptations of the Odyssey (there are a lot), and I'm definitely going to include Epic and have them pick out comparisons! I had to read the Odyssey as a student, and I remember finding comparisons being one of my favorite things, so I feel like having music that sort of corresponds to certain events, even if it's not completely accurate and like you said, you took those creative liberties (as you should/can; it's not like the Greeks weren't already doing that), will help students connect, especially when these songs are so fun.
I love this, this feels like this video came from Jorge suddenly realizing that there are some students who would DEFINITELY use EPIC as a replacement for reading the Odyssey, so he made this video. Thanks Jorge! 😂❤
I literally *just* had this same conversation with my younger sisters about Epic and The Odyssey last night! So funny that you have now mentioned it too!
Also, yes! Absolutely read The Odyssey! I loved reading it in school and would have loved having Epic to supplement my reading and to had our teachers lead discussions on why certain liberties may or may not have been taken and why we create art like adaptations of iconic pieces.
This is just some of these reasons why I'm really excited for Epic and it's impact on the world of creative arts!
We need a petition to write Winions into the Odyssey
I love the Odyssey so deeply. It changed my life when I read it in high school. Also, if anyone is interested in learning more about Greek mythology and reading the “prequel” to the Odyssey, The Iliad as translated by Emily Wilson is EXCELLENT and so beautifully fluid and rhythmic you will love it.
If only I could have a test on the odyssey-
Thank you for making this video, I have had very concerning replies to my comments often that lead me to believe people think retellings (e.g Medusa, The Song of Achilles [you know what you did Miller], and of course EPIC) are the actual greek myths
(spoilers for tsoa for those that haven't read) The fact that I cried more when Briseis died than Patroclus
This is why spark notes exist-- but also the Odyssey is SO so good it was my fave in high school. Also EPIC has been my brain worm since finding it so both is good. Honestly an analysis on how changing some of the moments adds or deters from the original themes would be a sick essay to write.
I did a project presentation on Epic in my Music Appreciation class. Super fun!
I wonder how many kids have failed their literature tests because of this XD
Thank you Mr. Jalapeño for clearing this up, I'm sure plenty of test grades are gonna get saved
Honestly I thank you so much for this Musical as it has inspired me to read The Odyssey! Not only that- but I also The Iliad, The Song of Achilles, and Circe. It’s fair to say I have a bunch of reading to be doing heheh
fun fact: as someone who as studied the odyssey times and times again, i love listening to EPIC for this exact reason! i love the changes you've made, and seeing Odysseus more of an actual human and less of the ✨great epic hero✨that he is in the odyssey just makes me love this musical even more. So, keep it up with the good work man💪
This is a message people need to remember for all original material to adaptation situations. Thank you so much for sending this out.
And I absolutely love your portrayals of Athena and Hermes, they feel so...right.
Reading the Odyssey now because of Epic, love your songs ❤
I think adaptations are important for exposure, and a spring board for exploring further and getting people into the source material, and I love them for that
I mean I can totally imagine cannon odysseus telling it like the epic version happened to him.
Because he did tell people what happend to him those last ten years with varying levels of bullshit, a couple of times on page already
May the gods protect this sweet kind man
I literally discovered EPIC a few weeks ago, with Survive, when we were covering the cyclops part at school. Made it a lot more interesting to do my work while listening to it :)
I actually read the odyssey in 9th grade like 10 years ago, which is why EPIC has a special place in my heart lol
Listening to Epic after already reading the Odyssey and being tested on it is actually so cool! I wouldn’t enjoy it so much if it wasn’t so creative with its character choices
Fun Fact I actually just requested my library to ship the english translation of the odyssey for me (from one library to another) to read (I'l dutch) spefically bc you had mentioned the differnces in other videos. This will be my first time reading any greek story all thanks to EPIC. Thank Jay!!!
I looked back through some of Jay's videos and saw how his hair has evolved..... I love that it happens to every musical artist -w-
Epic is one of the best musics i have ever listened to in my whole life,so good job bro👍
I already did the odyssey in school so I’m safe👍
Loved the odyssey so much and I love Epic too!
heard. its nice to know you wanna make sure we don't fail in school.
There are many Odyssey comic books!
If you have a short attention span, read them back to back with the original and online summary.
Comics and novels with beautiful illustrations will stick with you.
I now know all the stories deep by heart.
It is worth the $6-$12 bucks