What a superb piece of humanity. I love the little kids face as he realises he’s marching towards the scaffold with the rest and the semi panic as he tries to explain his reason for being there.
I studied at a strict convent school in the early 90's and received cane from the Headmistress couple of times. The same sound of cane, the same reaction ... painful and nostalgic!
But sometimes you get caned know a day's, too. It is very painful and it hurts... I got caned 2 times now. I don't really understand, why the parents don't do anything against it. Well my parents are promoting this kind of corporal punishment, but do the others promote this, too?
It's a "Biggus Dickus Moment", isn't it? A moment when you're in danger from a loud, up-their-own-arse authority figure, but nervous tension just keeps making you crack up.
Me too such brilliant acting by these lads I can't stop laughing at this clip, reminds me of my headmaster office day when me & another girl got the giggles which turned into all out laughter we couldnt stop, whilst getting a big telling off! in the end the headmaster started laughing as well and just told us to get out..happy olden days..
Class scene. Schools should be like this now. It’s called respect. Fucking snowflake generation we got now. I got more bolloxing from my headmistress than anyone and thinking back I loved it but then u was shit scared and you wouldn’t DARE answer back like the puny youths of today thinking they can get away with it cuz of the so called change in law. Good slap these kids of today need if they misbehave. It taught my generation respect and that was all That mattered. Anyway rant over… I love this scene. When he says what do I get?…..a honk They burst out laughing quietly whilst his back is turned. (I’m laughing my ass off with them coz it’s exactly what we did when in trouble back in the 80’s. Greatest era ever.). I never had the cane but I’d love to experience it. Honky honky honky Gryson. Give it to me. HURT MR MORE…. MORE…..MORE
This was my Secondary schooling from 73 to 78. The only thing that saved me from serious punishment was the fact I ran Cross country and Athletics for school and was at County and National schools level giving the school a good rep. I was a lazy git at school only thinking a about bunking off,being late.Sport was my only saviour that kept me sane.
Underrated performance by the kid that plays the bully McDowell: look for instance at how he combines pain & defiance in a single expression as he’s caned. Professional actors train for years to achieve this standard. A shame he doesn’t appear to have done anything else..
I went to junior school in the early 70's. This could just as well be a fly on the wall documentary of how accurate it was. Our headmaster, was perfectly like the one.. A totally control freak and actually enjoyed inflicting pain in children.
@Richie Summers I think she wants a motive. Well, I don't really believe in motive, I mean, did Norman Bates have a motive? No. Did they ever really decide why Hannibal Lecter liked to eat people? Don't think so! See, it's a lot scarier when there's no Motive!
I did too 1960 to 66 infants juniors wasn't to bad but 66 to 70 seniors some of the teachers evil still remember there faces to this very day 53yrs on they instilled discipline in our generation believe me
I had a teacher like that at my school, she was very strict & her word was law,we did exactly everything we were told to do & nobody ever dared cross the line.
I went to Catholic School in America in the 1960's. The Nuns were exactly like this. One Nun slapped my face because I was having trouble in Math Class. Exactly like this.
At Graeme HS the headmaster belted about 20 of us 5th and 6th years average 17yrs old, can't remember what for! Before belting the boy in front of me he said 'I'm ashamed I have to belt you'....the boy replied 'not as much as I am at you belting me' really summed up the ridiculous situation.
I was hospitalised twice in the 70s by teachers, once with stitches to the head the other with concussion, when they tried canning me I legged it & the rest is history.
@@JohnSmith-it6hj I do agree...the kids round here RULE their parents.. Saw a girl about 9 yrs old snarl and swear at her parents, who were pleading with her to come indoors,, she refused, her dad picked her up and she launched a full on assault on him, kicking and punching..it was horrendous to watch. They also have a yappy poodle mutt who also rules them... weak, weak parents. We have gone too far the other way, now, kids are allowed to 'choose' and 'express themselves', and it does not make for happy kids. I was hit far too hard as a kid, much too hard , but it kept me in line..
@@JohnSmith-it6hj My son {now grown} says his friends kids get zero discipline either. It seems to be a problem in UK especially...and discipline doesn't mean hitting, just good, firm boundaries..not wet giving in all the time.
I tune in to this scene every now and then to remember how bad these teachers were. They were in a job they hated and took it out us. I always swore if I met one of them after I had left that I would separate them from their breath. Half of them shouldn’t have been allowed near kids.
Exactly the same with me and my headmasters in the 1970s and early 80s at junior and secondary school in Leicester. This scene takes me right back to all those times in the Heads office getting the cane on my hands or my backside.
According to a BBC Radio 4 interview, the child actors were actually caned on the hand by school headmaster (who was the real school headmaster). They were paid an additional 10 shillings or 50p (about £8.28 in 2020) for their troubles.
I remember 4 of us got caned at school on the bum for some misdemeanour. It was always termed as “bendo wackery itchy sore bum’ more humiliating that painful.
@@chipesh Was he exactly like Gryce Puddin' in real life? I tried doing some research about him, and all I know is that he had a child and he passed away ten years after "Kes'" original 1969 London release.
@@JackJohnstone-ip5xt Remembering him as a 15 year old perhaps I didn't see the "good bits". (my screen name is the old name for Kippax. We were bused down to Cas) The impression me and others have is that he very much played himself. He was an ogre to me and scared me. These were different times and should be viewed as such. Teachers (male) would give you the stick cause they got out of bed in a mood. A perfect casting. I always thought he never touched me because we were both Robert's. Long time ago I'm only down the road now. So the answer is he very much played how he was in real life in Castleford.
I’ll always remember this sort of thing. Especially the unhinged metal work teacher hurling a boy clear into a wall. Halfway up it, from which he seemed to slide to the concrete floor.
They was all told the director would shout cut before the Cain struck them.. he lied. Those are real reactions and pain! No wonder the young one was upset
@Debra Yates It's definitely true, they would never get away with that in today's film industry but I guess in 1969 things were different. I'm really tempted to buy this on Blu Ray if I get chance, hoping there might be so decent extras to watch plus watching the slightly balding bobby Charlton play football in hd would be hilarious 😂
Right. Our house was a shoebox at the bottom of a septic tank. We had to get up for school half an hour before we went to bed. I had to walk ten miles in snow drifts to get to school, naked, carrying my uniform, in case it got creased. On arrival, the headmaster would flog us with a rhino whip. School meals were a plate of hot gravel, served from a coal scuttle. When I got home at night, if I hadn't got 10/10 for nuclear physics, my father used to beat me to death with a broken bottle, and dance on my grave singing Glory Be to God. You tell that the kids today, and they don't believe you. ( adapted from Monty Python )
I lost count of how many times i was caned in the 1970s, it was about three times a week. Not turning up to PE with my gym kit and getting the baggy pants from the school kit instead, and always the goal keeper on football days.
I went to a Catholic school from 71/76 and every teacher including the Nuns were as sadistic as this guy .. To this day I honestly believe that they got off on it ..
@@Amethyst_Friend cos the director Ken Loach didn't tell the little boy who was just bringing the "message" he would be caned so he could elicit a genuine reaction from him so if you watch him he cries and looks beyond the camera upset
I went to a school like this. The kids always retaliated by blocking toilets, vandalizing the place, etc. Never did we think "this is our own school we're wrecking." Kids aren't going to treat the school like it's sacred, if you punish them just for showing up.
It becomes total "us v them" then. The only school(s) I went to that had the cane were my junior schools (we moved house about a month and a half into my first term at the first one) in 1972 - 76,and then it was only used for the more major infractions. It was on the behind not the hand,which I think was better because the hand has a lot of little bones in it so could be more easily damaged. I didn't get it but had a lucky escape from it once. All the kids at that school were actually well behaved nearly all the time and no-one thought about rebelling,but I think that if they were hitting us routinely for small stuff or non-offences they would have lost authority and we would have done stuff to fight back. The amount of caning at the school was a lot worse 20+ years before that if the testimony of the actor Terry Scott of Carry On and Terry and June fame,who attended the school in the late 40s/early 50s? is anything to go by.
That poor little kid at the end :( It was just like that in the sixties and early seventies. I got the slipper three times and the cane twice. Sometimes the teachers would cane boys that hadn't done anything. It was mostly talking in class that got me into trouble! I was also kicked up the jacksie by a PE teacher. He was a real brute. The one occasion that sticks out the most in my mind was when one of the lads who was often in trouble decided to wind up one of the supply teachers. Boys then were very good at knowing what buttons to push and he made this teacher lose it completely. The man came over and kept slapping him around the cheeks shouting: 'I'll break your face!' The lad complained to his parents afterwards and the teacher was not there the next day! I'm glad boys of today don't have to put up with this kind of abuse.
A teacher would not get away with threats to break someone's face - such conduct is a threat to cause grievous bodily harm - a very serious criminal offence.
Secondary Modern in Yorkshire in the 70's our school was a light version of this, the cane, the slipper and slaps were still in use, I learnt very quickly something that I took forward to my time in the army, you can do anything just dont get caught. Teachers we had a real mix, many were good people and teachers but were stuck in a bad system. I know many left teaching and were succesful in other fields of life.
Don't get caught was always at the top of my considerations too,and I usually wasn't. We didn't have corporal punishment in my secondary school in the late 70s and early 80s unless you count using a hand,or a swift boot up the rear which happened to me once in the first year there and one of my friends two or three years later. My parents never found out about half the shit I got up to there once I realised upon entering my teen years I could get away with most of it,and not even the teachers knew about some of it. I then opted to go to college and was perfectly well behaved there,never got into any trouble. Having picked up the habit while hanging around with a group of schoolmates around my 14th birthday,I smoked up in my bedroom at home occasionally but did my best to make sure my mum didn't find out about it as she wouldn't have liked it,but that was more because I didn't want to upset my parents than any trouble I could have got into. My sister discovered me doing it when she thought she could smell it once but I don't think she told them.
Kes (1970) Directed by Ken Loach. With David Bradley, Freddie Fletcher, Lynne Perrie. A young, English working-class boy spends his free time caring for and training a kestrel
Definitely did sting a lot. One of my teachers had his cane wrapped in black insulation tape to give it a bit more sting. I'd get caned across my hands or backside, or slippered across my backside quite often at my junior and secondary schools in Leicester by my Headmaster and other teachers in the 1970s and early 80s. The first time I was caned across my hands at my secondary school was by the head of the first year for truancy, not long after I started there in 1978. I got two strokes on each hand in front of my form class. So an audience of about 30 boys. I got a blood blister on both hands from that, and a slippering at home on my backside for the truancy and getting in trouble at school.
It actually really hurts getting caned. You're supposed to stretch out the palm and let it receive the blow. But we naturally tense up when we're expecting pain, so then the stick ends up hitting the bone instead which is 10 times worse. If I remember correctly, the pain worsens after a few seconds.
We 'ad it toof when I were ' lad. Attacked by teachers, hit in ' face by board rubbers thrown at us, smacked round ' ead, shaken till our brains jangled, knocked off our chairs and caned till we were red raw and covered in blood- and often as not when we'd done nought wrong or didn't know why. And that were on a good day. Tell that to young 'uns today and they don't believe you
Those kids were ACTUALLY caned in that scene, even though they were acting - so the emotions, fear and pain you see in their faces was absolutely authentic Brilliant, but totally abusive Just like the school I attended in inner-city Nottingham in the mid 70’s
I grew up in Wakefield and my old man was a teacher beginning his career in 1972. He appeared on Calender in the early 80's campaigning against the use of the cane and corporal punishment within the school system. I am interested to know about people's opinions of the cane from those who experienced it. Is it a relic of a bygone era, or would it serve a purpose in today's society?
I went to school in the 70s. Teachers were thugs, but I had the last laugh when one of my parents went the next day. My mother had Victorian parents and my father is ex Coldstream Guards. Teachers were 10 men with a kid and a mouse with an adult. When I was 7 years old a teacher hit me so hard I flew out of my chair. 2 years ago I invited her to do it now. I'm now 6ft 3ins and 16 stones, a foot bigger than her.
Incredibly powerful; the caning here is a blip, however, compared to the Eton flogging scene in the film ''If''...brutal and shocking. I once remember a French observer describing it like something out of a Nazi torture chamber. One of those thrashed was Roddy McDowell who shook hands with his assailant and said ''thank you''.. as was customary after an Eton hiding.
4:39 "I can be stopped in the street by someone I taught then and will talk about the old days and will laugh about the thrashings I gave him" is this guy for real. It's like a Nazi having a laugh with a holocaust survivor.
Let me tell you youngsters, the occasional damm good thrashing administered by Matron made me the man I am today, namely, a Conservative minister with a penchant for being caned whilst wearing a nappy. Ah yes.....happy, happy days.
Remember 8 of us getting stick, cause I was smallest went first and when it came to bringing the cane down, I quickly moved me hand, he gave me extra for being cocky. Lol
Can't handle the little boys face who gets punished for nothing. I know it's just a film but this is wrong I just wanna take his pain away and give him a hug he's gorgeous and so adorable. Xo
Like so much British drama and comedy, it's not made up. It's real. Anyone who went to school at this time will recognise the assembly and the caning as things that happened exactly this way. A brilliant movie and also a social document in many ways.
yes the name of the film is called KES and in the film the young boy called billy casper has a bird of pray called kes {search the internet movie database } hope this helps
That headmaster Mr. Gryce is like Vera Bennett in Prisoner; cell Block H. As a matter of fact Mr. Gryce and Vera Bennett who was in the first 224 episodes of Prisoner Cell Block H are as alike in their personalities as Amy Porter and Denzil Kelly in Waterloo Road.
I went to Towmmead school in West Dayton in the early 70s it was just like this. Lads would cry if they forgot their PE kit they had to line up for the slipper
If they forgor thror P.E. kit on some occasions it was the cane, and others the slipper, i lived on mortal terror of this so i was very careful to always remember it, one day some of the pupils did not bring it in and lined up for the cane, thankfully i bought my kit in, i didn't take the risk, so i escaped the cane, but when i emerged from the changing room all the victims where in line for the cane, i always remember that time c 1965 i think!!
I had the cane and slipper many times at school in Leicester, UK and on one occasion in 1978 not long after I started at my secondary school I got the slipper because I forgot my PE kit. I got three very hard whacks right across my backside in front of all the other boys. My PE teacher had a size 12 Dunlop and that left quite an impact on my rear end. The slipper was very well worn on the sole side, all the tread worn off from how often it was used over the years. I definitely never forgot my PE kit again though.
It was a size 10 gym shoe I got whacked on my ass around 1985. When the wife first saw me naked in 1995 she asked me why I had Dunlop imprinted on my backside. Lol.
Lol. Size 12 Dunlop for me from my teachers most weeks in my school days. I think Dunlop made a lot of extra profits from sales to teachers back then lol. I'd get caned across my hands or backside, or slippered across my backside quite often at my junior and secondary schools in Leicester by my Headmaster and other teachers in the 1970s and early 80s. First time I had the slipper at my secondary school was in 1978 not long after I started there. I got the slipper because I forgot my PE kit. I got three very hard whacks right across my backside in front of all the other boys. My PE teachers slipper was very well worn on the sole side, all the tread worn off from how often it was used over the years. Then got another slippering at home for getting in trouble at school. I had a bit of trouble sitting down during my school years lol. I definitely never forgot my PE kit again though.
I wasn't born in those days but I have always loved old fashioned England and without me being racist I do think it was nice when it was mainly white British people to be honest
I went to a boarding school in the seventies . We had one very strict teacher also in charge of our dorm . He would givd out the belt for really bad stuff . I remember being made to chew on my own soap for a few minutes as i swore f word . Couldn't get the tadte away for hours . Funny thing is a few of us wnt back to visit the school year after leaving. And you know who we respected the most . Yes that very teacher. I told him the story he just smiled. Good old days when you dare not say boo to a teacher.
Mark Unfortunately Teachers are not allowed to even touch school pupils today no matter how much they misbehave. This assault act has got so out of hand that you cannot teach rude people manners today.
Yes you can teach them to do what they are doing Wong I did what they told me to do and I did not mother and father told me to come to them to get a very hard whipping and spanking from both of them for a long time
Yes exactly Mark. Same with me. All my teachers from the 1970s and early 80s are remembered as legends. One of my ex teachers passed away two months ago in his 80s. I had his cane across my hands and backside on many occasions. When he passed there were over 200 tributes on the Facebook group for my old school from ex pupils. Those were printed out and given to his family after the funeral.
@@waynespencer3036 we had a deputy head master a Welshman called Male Thomas and even kids at other schools knew of his reputation as a tough disciplinarian but he was hard but fair and got respect from all .
@@markwestlake9219 That's quite a coincidence because the toughest teacher at my secondary school from 1978 to 1983 was also a Welshman. His name was Trevor Jones but his initials were TC so all the boys called him that, not to his face of course lol. He was the teacher who gave the most canings and gave it harder than any of the other teachers. He was the teacher who I was caned by the most. Sometimes across both hands, other times across my backside. Had a full six of the best across my backside many times from him during those five years. Had the slipper from him a few times as well. But like all my teachers he was held in the highest regard and respect by all the 700 boys at the school. He passed away a few years ago now. I still find it hard to accept that any of my teachers have passed because they were all such strong and imposing characters. It was like we had 20 headmasters at my school and all unforgettable. When I was at school I never heard any boy or parent say anything against the cane, and it's interesting on the Facebook group for ex pupils it's still the same now 40 years later, with only respect for all the teachers and lots of tributes when one passes. My deputy headmaster from back then is also a member of that Facebook group. He's in his 80s now but he posts on there regularly giving us updates on the other teachers. Most of us including me were caned by him as well, but everyone is totally thrilled to have him on there. We still all call him Sir out of respect. He's a great man who was at the school from 1960 to 1997. All of the teachers back then had a massive positive influence on me and my friends, and that inspiration and influence has continued through our whole lives, and we're now in our 50s. I'm sure it was the same with your teachers too. I'm certainly glad I was at school back then.
Remember them days .kids now have it so easy at school now . Teachers then would knock your shite in .. nowadays they would be took to court if they did this . No foreigners in England in them days
I was 1 year out from having the slipper for karate chopping a mirror in the toilets. I didnt know at the age of 7 it was going to fall off the wal into the sink and smash .That look on the teachers face marching me down the corridor to the heads office. Scared the shit out of me .The year was 1980 .i think the cane was stopped in 78 .Phew
In my first summer term at secondary school in 1977 we were taken on a school trip to the local museum one day. Me and one of my friends started larking about chasing each other and I somehow crashed straight into a floor-to-above-adult-head-height glass exhibition case,smashing through the glass and ending up inside. Miraculously,I wasn't cut or hurt anywhere. I wasn't sent to the hospital even to be checked over and I don't think an ambulance was called,but there may have been and I just don't remember it. I don't remember the police attending either. The teacher(s) and museum staff were more concerned about my wellbeing to be angry with me,and I wasn't disciplined for it afterwards,not even have to explain myself to the headmaster in his office. Instead,they sent the bill for the repairs/replacement to my Dad,who showed it to me when it arrived in the post. I think it was £62 at 1977 prices. He didn't really tell me off let alone punish me either,because he knew that I had learned my lesson and that I knew I needed to be more careful in future.
What a superb piece of humanity. I love the little kids face as he realises he’s marching towards the scaffold with the rest and the semi panic as he tries to explain his reason for being there.
This film was the real deal, schools in England was exactly like this film in the 70s and 80s.
True. Still are, if we're honest, just without the stick.
I studied at a strict convent school in the early 90's and received cane from the Headmistress couple of times. The same sound of cane, the same reaction ... painful and nostalgic!
But sometimes you get caned know a day's, too. It is very painful and it hurts... I got caned 2 times now. I don't really understand, why the parents don't do anything against it. Well my parents are promoting this kind of corporal punishment, but do the others promote this, too?
@@coralietimpe7807 you won't believe that my mom is a firm supporter of cane.She's a teacher too!!!
Stunning watching these videos and reading comments idolising this sort of thing. If you coloured one of the lads brown they'd fucking hate it.
Has me in tears of laughter...I remember that all too well. The boys uncontrolled giggling while the headmaster is going on is hysterical
It's a "Biggus Dickus Moment", isn't it? A moment when you're in danger from a loud, up-their-own-arse authority figure, but nervous tension just keeps making you crack up.
You got an extra one for laughing !
Me too such brilliant acting by these lads I can't stop laughing at this clip, reminds me of my headmaster office day when me & another girl got the giggles which turned into all out laughter we couldnt stop, whilst getting a big telling off! in the end the headmaster started laughing as well and just told us to get out..happy olden days..
Brilliant me to, Keep safe
Class scene. Schools should be like this now. It’s called respect. Fucking snowflake generation we got now. I got more bolloxing from my headmistress than anyone and thinking back I loved it but then u was shit scared and you wouldn’t DARE answer back like the puny youths of today thinking they can get away with it cuz of the so called change in law. Good slap these kids of today need if they misbehave. It taught my generation respect and that was all
That mattered. Anyway rant over…
I love this scene. When he says what do I get?…..a honk
They burst out laughing quietly whilst his back is turned. (I’m laughing my ass off with them coz it’s exactly what we did when in trouble back in the 80’s. Greatest era ever.). I never had the cane but I’d love to experience it. Honky honky honky Gryson. Give it to me.
HURT MR MORE….
MORE…..MORE
This was my Secondary schooling from 73 to 78.
The only thing that saved me from serious punishment was the fact I ran Cross country and Athletics for school and was at County and National schools level giving the school a good rep.
I was a lazy git at school only thinking a about bunking off,being late.Sport was my only saviour that kept me sane.
Underrated performance by the kid that plays the bully McDowell: look for instance at how he combines pain & defiance in a single expression as he’s caned. Professional actors train for years to achieve this standard.
A shame he doesn’t appear to have done anything else..
Absolutely 100% that sir, a moving performance from the young man, it made my eyes a little moist
Loach had the caning done for real but didn't tell the actors so the pain and shock would bereal.
They were paid 120 old pence, (10/-), each, half of an old pound, really to receive the cane ftom their real Headmaster.
@@NoFaithNoPain
They were paid 120 old pence, (10/-), each, half of an old pound, really to receive the
I went to junior school in the early 70's. This could just as well be a fly on the wall documentary of how accurate it was.
Our headmaster, was perfectly like the one.. A totally control freak and actually enjoyed inflicting pain in children.
Makes my heart break when the little chap crys
they said that it wasn't scripted at the time.so his reaction was real.true.
@Richie Summers I think she wants a motive. Well, I don't really believe in motive, I mean, did Norman Bates have a motive? No. Did they ever really decide why Hannibal Lecter liked to eat people? Don't think so! See, it's a lot scarier when there's no Motive!
Clarence Bodicker he was forced to eat his own sister
Clarence Bodicker Please don't try and steal a line out of the film scream
David Ford it’s true it wasn’t scripted but they asked the parents permission to allow it
I went through this in the 1960's and no one batted an eyelid then, but i still remember it today, this was a carbon copy of my school exactly!!
I did too 1960 to 66 infants juniors wasn't to bad but 66 to 70 seniors some of the teachers evil still remember there faces to this very day 53yrs on they instilled discipline in our generation believe me
"The same old faces! Why is it always the same old faces?" Classic teacher crap!
But True
@@gabsie196721: Except in the case of the little kid with the message.
I heard this many times over the years.
@@gabsie196721 Go on....
@@GreenerHillhead teachers never recognise kids unless they're genuinely a problem case that need dealing with on a daily basis.
I had a teacher like that at my school, she was very strict & her word was law,we did exactly everything we were told to do & nobody ever dared cross the line.
I went to Catholic School in America in the 1960's. The Nuns were exactly like this. One Nun slapped my face because I was having trouble in Math Class. Exactly like this.
At Graeme HS the headmaster belted about 20 of us 5th and 6th years average 17yrs old, can't remember what for! Before belting the boy in front of me he said 'I'm ashamed I have to belt you'....the boy replied 'not as much as I am at you belting me' really summed up the ridiculous situation.
"A honk" sets them all off. 😂😂😂
Wonderful scene - quintessential British cinema
I was hospitalised twice in the 70s by teachers, once with stitches to the head the other with concussion, when they tried canning me I legged it & the rest is history.
if you went home and told your dad, you would get a crack of him too, its how it was for sure
That was true in our house. I had to pretend nothing happened at school, otherwise I'd be in for it !!!
Most definitely .It was a gauntlet of violence haha you'd get beaten up on the way home from school too .
@@JohnSmith-it6hj Me too...I was a more scared of dad than any teacher. {a girl, too}
@@JohnSmith-it6hj I do agree...the kids round here RULE their parents..
Saw a girl about 9 yrs old snarl and swear at her parents, who were pleading with her to come indoors,, she refused, her dad picked her up and she launched a full on assault on him, kicking and punching..it was horrendous to watch.
They also have a yappy poodle mutt who also rules them... weak, weak parents.
We have gone too far the other way, now, kids are allowed to 'choose' and 'express themselves', and it does not make for happy kids.
I was hit far too hard as a kid, much too hard , but it kept me in line..
@@JohnSmith-it6hj My son {now grown} says his friends kids get zero discipline either.
It seems to be a problem in UK especially...and discipline doesn't mean hitting, just good, firm boundaries..not wet giving in all the time.
I am about the same age as David aka Casper, this really rang home when I first watched this film......harsh times
I tune in to this scene every now and then to remember how bad these teachers were. They were in a job they hated and took it out us. I always swore if I met one of them after I had left that I would separate them from their breath. Half of them shouldn’t have been allowed near kids.
Well said, man. Born '68. Schools started in Scotland August '73 Primary School and then 1980, High School. Saw ugly shit from teachers.
This is what the little bastards of today are short of.
Apparently that poor little bastard on the end had no idea he was going to caned when he went into the scene. Reaction is genuine.
yes you are right...poor little boy.
Wow, this film brings back school memories. Although I was one of the kids always in this situation. We always respected our headmaster.
Exactly the same with me and my headmasters in the 1970s and early 80s at junior and secondary school in Leicester.
This scene takes me right back to all those times in the Heads office getting the cane on my hands or my backside.
According to a BBC Radio 4 interview, the child actors were actually caned on the hand by school headmaster (who was the real school headmaster). They were paid an additional 10 shillings or 50p (about £8.28 in 2020) for their troubles.
Thanks.
At 12p. to the shilling, 10/- were 120 old pence.
I suppose they bought 20 Players with it.
That last one took it well, I thought.
Players too expensive ! Number 10 (proper coffin nails ) or 5 woodbine.
Loved it when they laffing behind heads back lol😂😂
Little lad didn't grass though
Proper northan lad
@escort ,me No one ever did...but discipline in schools was much better in those days. { late1960's/70's when I was at school anyway}
He should of had 2 extra tho 😂
I remember 4 of us got caned at school on the bum for some misdemeanour. It was always termed as “bendo wackery itchy sore bum’ more humiliating that painful.
Bob Bowes - priceless and well cast as the headmaster !
I don't think anyone could have played the headmaster any better than him in my opinion class act
@@ste123456754 Perhaps because he was a real headmaster ! Mine at Ashton Road School in Castleford when he made the film. .
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@@chipesh Was he exactly like Gryce Puddin' in real life? I tried doing some research about him, and all I know is that he had a child and he passed away ten years after "Kes'" original 1969 London release.
@@JackJohnstone-ip5xt Remembering him as a 15 year old perhaps I didn't see the "good bits". (my screen name is the old name for Kippax. We were bused down to Cas) The impression me and others have is that he very much played himself. He was an ogre to me and scared me. These were different times and should be viewed as such. Teachers (male) would give you the stick cause they got out of bed in a mood.
A perfect casting.
I always thought he never touched me because we were both Robert's.
Long time ago I'm only down the road now.
So the answer is he very much played how he was in real life in Castleford.
Absolute best scene of Kes. Can totally relate to this because that's the way it happened when I was at school
And the brilliant Brian Glover in the football match.
@@rw8733Also known as Cyril Heslop and Magersfontein Lugg!
I’ll always remember this sort of thing. Especially the unhinged metal work teacher hurling a boy clear into a wall. Halfway up it, from which he seemed to slide to the concrete floor.
I was one of those in the Headmasters office and it was exactly like that.
Ya right
That's how it was back in the 60s 70s rings very true but looking back never did us any harm
it should have been better, many were harmed in ways they don't even realise, others in ways they have recognised.
It never did me any harm either
Your Sincerely
Mr P.Sutcliff
C/O HMP broadmoor.
@@chrisholland7367 one of the best responses I’ve seen on the internet
I'm from Yorkshire too + went to school in the 80's , I got hit with sticks , slipper , even punched , its true lol great times
They was all told the director would shout cut before the Cain struck them.. he lied. Those are real reactions and pain! No wonder the young one was upset
@Debra Yates It's definitely true, they would never get away with that in today's film industry but I guess in 1969 things were different. I'm really tempted to buy this on Blu Ray if I get chance, hoping there might be so decent extras to watch plus watching the slightly balding bobby Charlton play football in hd would be hilarious 😂
Apparently the Producer gave all the kids ‘ten-bob’ compensation for getting the stick
Brian Glover. Not Bobby Charlton.
‘Ey-up ‘e’s ‘ere - Gryce puddin’ ‘ 😂
If I were there, I would HAPPILY CRUSH that inadequate "teacher" - doesn't even give the pupils chance to properly explain their presence.
In those days it was "children should be seen and not heard" If you said anything you got a smack in the ear.
The acting from the boys in this film is simply incredible.
that little kid was a great actor even had tears in his eyes after a cane
He wasn’t acting. They were actually caned for the film and got paid a few pounds for it.
@@WooshaBalooPounds in today's money, 10 shillings back then.
Just like school in 70s 80s
We had a lad in our class who was able to throw his voice the teachers couldn't work out
Who it was... 😊
Can't have been great for the poor blighter who got the blame instead.
Was at the unveiling of the Barry Hines statue recently and Ken Loach said Bob Bowes, the headmaster, took very easily to the caning part!
He actually WAS a headmaster.
Very powerful and rings true. We had a sadistic metalwork teacher in the early seventies who seemed to take delight in humiliating young lads
probably gay
I must have gone to the same school!!
@Uncle Betty ha ha laughing my bollocks off.
Right. Our house was a shoebox at the bottom of a septic tank. We had to get up for school half an hour before we went to bed. I had to walk ten miles in snow drifts to get to school, naked, carrying my uniform, in case it got creased. On arrival, the headmaster would flog us with a rhino whip. School meals were a plate of hot gravel, served from a coal scuttle. When I got home at night, if I hadn't got 10/10 for nuclear physics, my father used to beat me to death with a broken bottle, and dance on my grave singing Glory Be to God. You tell that the kids today, and they don't believe you. ( adapted from Monty Python )
@@jamesfirth2392, luxury!
Great flim and very much like my school's days in the 70s
I lost count of how many times i was caned in the 1970s, it was about three times a week. Not turning up to PE with my gym kit and getting the baggy pants from the school kit instead, and always the goal keeper on football days.
I went to a Catholic school from 71/76 and every teacher including the Nuns were as sadistic as this guy .. To this day I honestly believe that they got off on it ..
Mrs Gardum did
The caning sequence is astonishing. Almost brings me to tears. You can't condone the way it was shot, but my God it's a powerful piece of cinema.
it was real.
Why can't you condone it?
@@Amethyst_Friend cos the director Ken Loach didn't tell the little boy who was just bringing the "message" he would be caned so he could elicit a genuine reaction from him so if you watch him he cries and looks beyond the camera upset
Just toughens you up and brutalises you
@@andrewgrimshaw1606The correct spelling is elicit, Andrew!
I went to a school like this. The kids always retaliated by blocking toilets, vandalizing the place, etc. Never did we think "this is our own school we're wrecking."
Kids aren't going to treat the school like it's sacred, if you punish them just for showing up.
It becomes total "us v them" then. The only school(s) I went to that had the cane were my junior schools (we moved house about a month and a half into my first term at the first one) in 1972 - 76,and then it was only used for the more major infractions. It was on the behind not the hand,which I think was better because the hand has a lot of little bones in it so could be more easily damaged. I didn't get it but had a lucky escape from it once. All the kids at that school were actually well behaved nearly all the time and no-one thought about rebelling,but I think that if they were hitting us routinely for small stuff or non-offences they would have lost authority and we would have done stuff to fight back. The amount of caning at the school was a lot worse 20+ years before that if the testimony of the actor Terry Scott of Carry On and Terry and June fame,who attended the school in the late 40s/early 50s? is anything to go by.
We got the belt in Scotland during the 70s. We got six of the best. Three on each hand. It hurt.
They used to call it ‘the cuts’ when I was in high school.
That poor little kid at the end :( It was just like that in the sixties and early seventies. I got the slipper three times and the cane twice. Sometimes the teachers would cane boys that hadn't done anything. It was mostly talking in class that got me into trouble! I was also kicked up the jacksie by a PE teacher. He was a real brute. The one occasion that sticks out the most in my mind was when one of the lads who was often in trouble decided to wind up one of the supply teachers. Boys then were very good at knowing what buttons to push and he made this teacher lose it completely. The man came over and kept slapping him around the cheeks shouting: 'I'll break your face!' The lad complained to his parents afterwards and the teacher was not there the next day! I'm glad boys of today don't have to put up with this kind of abuse.
A teacher would not get away with threats to break someone's face - such conduct is a threat to cause grievous bodily harm - a very serious criminal offence.
@@johnb6723 Indeed. It certainly wouldn't happen today.
Secondary Modern in Yorkshire in the 70's our school was a light version of this, the cane, the slipper and slaps were still in use, I learnt very quickly something that I took forward to my time in the army, you can do anything just dont get caught. Teachers we had a real mix, many were good people and teachers but were stuck in a bad system. I know many left teaching and were succesful in other fields of life.
Don't get caught was always at the top of my considerations too,and I usually wasn't. We didn't have corporal punishment in my secondary school in the late 70s and early 80s unless you count using a hand,or a swift boot up the rear which happened to me once in the first year there and one of my friends two or three years later. My parents never found out about half the shit I got up to there once I realised upon entering my teen years I could get away with most of it,and not even the teachers knew about some of it. I then opted to go to college and was perfectly well behaved there,never got into any trouble. Having picked up the habit while hanging around with a group of schoolmates around my 14th birthday,I smoked up in my bedroom at home occasionally but did my best to make sure my mum didn't find out about it as she wouldn't have liked it,but that was more because I didn't want to upset my parents than any trouble I could have got into. My sister discovered me doing it when she thought she could smell it once but I don't think she told them.
Real headmaster,worked at a school near by
Castleford, Ashton Road.
Kes (1970)
Directed by Ken Loach. With David Bradley, Freddie Fletcher, Lynne Perrie. A
young, English working-class boy spends his free time caring for and training a kestrel
That poor little lad at the end.
Yes Ooooh yes., And that cane bloody well HURT.
Bloody stung. Lol
Definitely did sting a lot.
One of my teachers had his cane wrapped in black insulation tape to give it a bit more sting.
I'd get caned across my hands or backside, or slippered across my backside quite often at my junior and secondary schools in Leicester by my Headmaster and other teachers in the 1970s and early 80s.
The first time I was caned across my hands at my secondary school was by the head of the first year for truancy, not long after I started there in 1978.
I got two strokes on each hand in front of my form class.
So an audience of about 30 boys.
I got a blood blister on both hands from that, and a slippering at home on my backside for the truancy and getting in trouble at school.
They really got caned as well to make it more authentic.
It actually really hurts getting caned. You're supposed to stretch out the palm and let it receive the blow. But we naturally tense up when we're expecting pain, so then the stick ends up hitting the bone instead which is 10 times worse. If I remember correctly, the pain worsens after a few seconds.
Its more dignifying to be caned on the hand. Painfull but only for a while
aww the little guy is very cute and innocent.. lool at how he's crying!
Poor dude goes down for the misdeeds of the bigger lads.
@@padraigcronin1172 Genuine tears aswell.
We 'ad it toof when I were ' lad. Attacked by teachers, hit in ' face by board rubbers thrown at us, smacked round ' ead, shaken till our brains jangled, knocked off our chairs and caned till we were red raw and covered in blood- and often as not when we'd done nought wrong or didn't know why. And that were on a good day. Tell that to young 'uns today and they don't believe you
mizofan School pupils have had it easy these last 30 years.
Yes, I know what you mean.
I was at sort of school in Manchester, late1940s / early 1950s.
Anyway, Peace to all.
I went to school in the 80s and 90s. I remember watching this movie after reading the book for English literature. Ptang yang kipperbang uh! 😉
Yes, when I was a kid I far preferred somebody to hit me than to drag the punishment out with loss of pocket money or whatever.
Those kids were ACTUALLY caned in that scene, even though they were acting - so the emotions, fear and pain you see in their faces was absolutely authentic
Brilliant, but totally abusive
Just like the school I attended in inner-city Nottingham in the mid 70’s
Bring this punishment and authority back. Kids these days have zero respect for anyone or anything.
I grew up in Wakefield and my old man was a teacher beginning his career in 1972.
He appeared on Calender in the early 80's campaigning against the use of the cane and corporal punishment within the school system.
I am interested to know about people's opinions of the cane from those who experienced it. Is it a relic of a bygone era, or would it serve a purpose in today's society?
Yep. I started high school in 1987. And it was still like this very strict. Which made pupils rebell even more!
I went to school in the 70s. Teachers were thugs, but I had the last laugh when one of my parents went the next day. My mother had Victorian parents and my father is ex Coldstream Guards. Teachers were 10 men with a kid and a mouse with an adult. When I was 7 years old a teacher hit me so hard I flew out of my chair. 2 years ago I invited her to do it now. I'm now 6ft 3ins and 16 stones, a foot bigger than her.
What a happy ending.
He was headmaster at my school in Castleford. My school days were a lot like 'Kes'. Bullying, cane, crap teachers. Made me who I am today. (twitch)
Really? Was he literally like Mr. Gryce, this headmaster Bowes?
Very much like him. I was there (64-68 Ashton Road Castleford). The (male) teachers would cane and hit you with anything they could pick up.
TheDavecroft lol
I Wonder If he realized while filming that the film critisized this style of teaching
I do understand that they gave those kids an extra 50pence for that caning..(I recall an interview with Kez about such..)
omg poor baby he made me cry watching him tune up to..man i remember those days getting in trouble for someone else..ugh that is horrible
Incredibly powerful; the caning here is a blip, however, compared to the Eton flogging scene in the film ''If''...brutal and shocking. I once remember a French observer describing it like something out of a Nazi torture chamber.
One of those thrashed was Roddy McDowell who shook hands with his assailant and said ''thank you''.. as was customary after an Eton hiding.
Malcolm McDowell.
Whoops!
4:39 "I can be stopped in the street by someone I taught then and will talk about the old days and will laugh about the thrashings I gave him" is this guy for real. It's like a Nazi having a laugh with a holocaust survivor.
Are you serious? Are you 12? Get a grip, the woke bunch no doubt
@@seanwilliams1534 I'm far from woke,it's just horrible if you had a bad time at school.
@@seanwilliams1534: Why does "woke" scare people so much? It's pathetic.
That's how it was back then, I got cane in 2nd n 4th year comp.but life as a kid was best ever
I still call out McDowell whenever i hear someone cough....only to be given strange looks
Let me tell you youngsters, the occasional damm good thrashing administered by Matron made me the man I am today, namely, a Conservative minister with a penchant for being caned whilst wearing a nappy. Ah yes.....happy, happy days.
Remember 8 of us getting stick, cause I was smallest went first and when it came to bringing the cane down, I quickly moved me hand, he gave me extra for being cocky. Lol
I love the fact McDowell dad came down and got the stick as well 😂😂
Can't handle the little boys face who gets punished for nothing. I know it's just a film but this is wrong I just wanna take his pain away and give him a hug he's gorgeous and so adorable. Xo
Ah, seventies schooling. I miss it like I miss mumps.
Like so much British drama and comedy, it's not made up. It's real. Anyone who went to school at this time will recognise the assembly and the caning as things that happened exactly this way. A brilliant movie and also a social document in many ways.
Tall kid looks like a young roger daltry
yes the name of the film is called KES and in the film the young boy called billy casper has a bird of pray called kes {search the internet movie database } hope this helps
what a film good old days brilliant history there god bless kes
This sort of thing is still the norm in African, South American and Asian schools, and in many schools in the USA and Canada.
That headmaster Mr. Gryce is like Vera Bennett in Prisoner; cell Block H. As a matter of fact Mr. Gryce and Vera Bennett who was in the first 224 episodes of Prisoner Cell Block H are as alike in their personalities as Amy Porter and Denzil Kelly in Waterloo Road.
Hey Teacher! Leave those kids alone! all in all its just another brick in the wall.
Reminds me of my Secondary School 1966-71:
'Woe betide you' and 'Heaven help you.'
I went to Towmmead school in West Dayton in the early 70s it was just like this. Lads would cry if they forgot their PE kit they had to line up for the slipper
If they forgor thror P.E. kit on some occasions it was the cane, and others the slipper, i lived on mortal terror of this so i was very careful to always remember it, one day some of the pupils did not bring it in and lined up for the cane, thankfully i bought my kit in, i didn't take the risk, so i escaped the cane, but when i emerged from the changing room all the victims where in line for the cane, i always remember that time c 1965 i think!!
I had the cane and slipper many times at school in Leicester, UK and on one occasion in 1978 not long after I started at my secondary school I got the slipper because I forgot my PE kit. I got three very hard whacks right across my backside in front of all the other boys.
My PE teacher had a size 12 Dunlop and that left quite an impact on my rear end.
The slipper was very well worn on the sole side, all the tread worn off from how often it was used over the years.
I definitely never forgot my PE kit again though.
Ouch! I was never hit with the slipper but our class teachers at junior school used the plimsoll on someone's behind once in a while.
It was a size 10 gym shoe I got whacked on my ass around 1985. When the wife first saw me naked in 1995 she asked me why I had Dunlop imprinted on my backside. Lol.
Lol. Size 12 Dunlop for me from my teachers most weeks in my school days.
I think Dunlop made a lot of extra profits from sales to teachers back then lol.
I'd get caned across my hands or backside, or slippered across my backside quite often at my junior and secondary schools in Leicester by my Headmaster and other teachers in the 1970s and early 80s.
First time I had the slipper at my secondary school was in 1978 not long after I started there. I got the slipper because I forgot my PE kit. I got three very hard whacks right across my backside in front of all the other boys.
My PE teachers slipper was very well worn on the sole side, all the tread worn off from how often it was used over the years.
Then got another slippering at home for getting in trouble at school.
I had a bit of trouble sitting down during my school years lol.
I definitely never forgot my PE kit again though.
@@waynespencer3036 there are people who pay extra for that kind of thing
I wonder how many of those Teachers, got belted later in life when those young boys they caned grew up.
None, they grew up, they realised they deserved it
Now it's gone the other way. Teachers are terrified of the kids.
They shouldn't get it on the hand get it on bottoms😂❤❤❤
It’s the uncontrollable laughter for me here fucking belter haha
Schools now be like write 10 lines out VS then 😭🩸📏
I wasn't born in those days but I have always loved old fashioned England and without me being racist I do think it was nice when it was mainly white British people to be honest
COME OUT !!! COME OUT THAT BOY !!
- and heaven help you....
it's what school was like for me in the 50's and 60's..
fuk that it was same 4 me int 80s in barnsley schools
And me
I went to a boarding school in the seventies . We had one very strict teacher also in charge of our dorm . He would givd out the belt for really bad stuff . I remember being made to chew on my own soap for a few minutes as i swore f word . Couldn't get the tadte away for hours . Funny thing is a few of us wnt back to visit the school year after leaving. And you know who we respected the most . Yes that very teacher. I told him the story he just smiled. Good old days when you dare not say boo to a teacher.
If this is what 70's and 80's was like then to be honest in 2010's for my high school not much has changed besides not being able to hit.
We all got wacked at school back then it never did us any harm , we had teachers who were legends who everyone still remembers now forty years later
Mark Unfortunately Teachers are not allowed to even touch school pupils today no matter how much they misbehave. This assault act has got so out of hand that you cannot teach rude people manners today.
Yes you can teach them to do what they are doing Wong I did what they told me to do and I did not mother and father told me to come to them to get a very hard whipping and spanking from both of them for a long time
Yes exactly Mark. Same with me. All my teachers from the 1970s and early 80s are remembered as legends.
One of my ex teachers passed away two months ago in his 80s. I had his cane across my hands and backside on many occasions.
When he passed there were over 200 tributes on the Facebook group for my old school from ex pupils. Those were printed out and given to his family after the funeral.
@@waynespencer3036 we had a deputy head master a Welshman called Male Thomas and even kids at other schools knew of his reputation as a tough disciplinarian but he was hard but fair and got respect from all .
@@markwestlake9219 That's quite a coincidence because the toughest teacher at my secondary school from 1978 to 1983 was also a Welshman. His name was Trevor Jones but his initials were TC so all the boys called him that, not to his face of course lol.
He was the teacher who gave the most canings and gave it harder than any of the other teachers.
He was the teacher who I was caned by the most. Sometimes across both hands, other times across my backside. Had a full six of the best across my backside many times from him during those five years. Had the slipper from him a few times as well.
But like all my teachers he was held in the highest regard and respect by all the 700 boys at the school.
He passed away a few years ago now. I still find it hard to accept that any of my teachers have passed because they were all such strong and imposing characters. It was like we had 20 headmasters at my school and all unforgettable.
When I was at school I never heard any boy or parent say anything against the cane, and it's interesting on the Facebook group for ex pupils it's still the same now 40 years later, with only respect for all the teachers and lots of tributes when one passes.
My deputy headmaster from back then is also a member of that Facebook group. He's in his 80s now but he posts on there regularly giving us updates on the other teachers.
Most of us including me were caned by him as well, but everyone is totally thrilled to have him on there. We still all call him Sir out of respect.
He's a great man who was at the school from 1960 to 1997.
All of the teachers back then had a massive positive influence on me and my friends, and that inspiration and influence has continued through our whole lives, and we're now in our 50s.
I'm sure it was the same with your teachers too.
I'm certainly glad I was at school back then.
I read that they really were caned during the shooting of the sequence and those tears are real
Remember them days .kids now have it so easy at school now . Teachers then would knock your shite in .. nowadays they would be took to court if they did this . No foreigners in England in them days
The smokers Union haha
LOL 😀
@Gary Dodgson haha
So many teachers I had the misfortune to meet in the 70's were a bunch of sadists or perverts or both.
I was 1 year out from having the slipper for karate chopping a mirror in the toilets. I didnt know at the age of 7 it was going to fall off the wal into the sink and smash .That look on the teachers face marching me down the corridor to the heads office. Scared the shit out of me .The year was 1980 .i think the cane was stopped in 78 .Phew
In my first summer term at secondary school in 1977 we were taken on a school trip to the local museum one day. Me and one of my friends started larking about chasing each other and I somehow crashed straight into a floor-to-above-adult-head-height glass exhibition case,smashing through the glass and ending up inside. Miraculously,I wasn't cut or hurt anywhere. I wasn't sent to the hospital even to be checked over and I don't think an ambulance was called,but there may have been and I just don't remember it. I don't remember the police attending either. The teacher(s) and museum staff were more concerned about my wellbeing to be angry with me,and I wasn't disciplined for it afterwards,not even have to explain myself to the headmaster in his office. Instead,they sent the bill for the repairs/replacement to my Dad,who showed it to me when it arrived in the post. I think it was £62 at 1977 prices. He didn't really tell me off let alone punish me either,because he knew that I had learned my lesson and that I knew I needed to be more careful in future.
This reminds me of That'll Teach Em